they live in a white country and should abide by our standards and our values. >> i'm "geraldo at large" and tonight's special report focuses on violence motivated by hate. >> this is david duke's new klu klux klan. still hateful and committed to hateful ideas but the difference now as i see it is that the violence is no longer directed against black people per are say. it is directed against our values and consciences. >> they have never been more than a handful of americans but consumed by oversized racial enemies. >> we are white racists and believe in hard work and believe in the family and we believe in fighting for our race. >> paranoid deluxe. >> the jews got israel and they

have their racially pure state and they are doing well by that. whites don't have it and we need it. >> and always ready for a fight. in the 1990s they brought their hate to a parkland summit in janesville, wisconsin. and later continued spreading their vial message. >> the holocaust, did it happen? >> does it matter? >> does it matter? >> then on april 19, 1995 in oklahoma city, it mor morphed o mass murder. the murkowsk federal office bug blown apart by tim mowthy mikvah. >> this took that because that was where the orders for the attack on waco came from. >> a decorated army veteran, mikvah's cowardly attack kills 168 innocent civilians including 19 children attending the building daycare. >> i asked him what about all

of the people. he explained they may have been individually innocent but because they were part of the evil empire they were guilty by association. >> later bloodied by the crazy columbine kids and the nutty aurora movie massacre. colorado is no strange either to hate. hotel worker omar diaz gunned down on november 18, 1997 by racist skin heads. >> i just thought to myself, you know, i had to do -- >> nathan a self-proclaimed nazi admits shooting the unarmed unassuming african immigrant. >> i thought about how easy it would be for me to just take him out. >> the terror attacks of 9/11 2001 the most deadly ever on our soil unite the nation against a commonnenmy. >> terrorist attacks can shake the foundations of our biggest buildings but they cannot touch

the foundation of america. >> toe mess tick terror groups like the klan and mal militia d skin heads fade into obscurity but the ethnic hatred emerges in cited by the emergences of barack obama. that and if he gets elected i will assassinate him my s & l says hunter gazell. >> talked about guns and machine guns and all sorts of weapons. >> by november of 2009 the nation at war with al-qaeda for 8 long years and a powerful new strain of hate driven domestic terror emerged. radical islamists seeking revenge on what they view as a holy war. item, the fort hood massacre. a single gunman. army major nadal hassan kills 13 and wounds 29 in the worst shooting ever on an american military base. fbi investigation finds ties between hassan and anwar

al-swlaki which brings u.s. postal to oak creek, wisconsin. a wise supremeassist walks into a sikh temple and kills six before putting the gun on himself. >> he download the gun in front of me. i wanted to step back but he didn't give me a chance. >> it while it is impossible to know what motivated the neonazi, cops theorize he confused sikhs for muslims and his hatred was honed in the military. >> he said if you don't go into the military racist you are sure to come out as one. >> authorities say white supreme assists and ethic gang sim papa nicers were already there.

no organized effort but does find 22 soldiers with links to racist skinhead groups. >> i was the leader of a white power skinhead organization as well as the lead singer in a white power band. >> with aid mongers like mikvah and page, hassan, with mosques burning and domestic terror even including this week's foiled attack on the family research council hate crimes will be as much a part of our nation's future as of our past. >> too many sikhs have been targeted and victimized simply because of who they are and how they look and what they believe. that is wrong. it is unacceptable. and it will not be tolerated. >> since the 9/11 attacks a number of self-described hate organizations has increased 69% in our country. to more than 1,000 groups nationwide. many of their sympathizers keep in touch through storm front.org. it is the internet's first

major site and still one of the most popular. the sikh shooter wade michael page for example posted on the site which was founded by our guest don black the former grand wizard of the kkk who joins us from boynton beach, florida. welcome. i wonder if you are proud of the connection between mr. page and your website? >> well, of course not. and we are not a hate group any more than hispanic or black or jewish organizations promoting their interests, their values. their culture. their heritage. they are not considered hate groups. but because we promote ours, because we want to see a future for our people for our children, our great grand children because we believe we are being subject to genocide through assimilation by bringing into this country and european countries tens of millions of third world immigrants who ultimately are transforming our nation into a third world nation because we

believe this, because we are fighting this, we are called a hate organization. and, of course, we had nothing to do with the shooter in wisconsin. >> wait a second. what do you think of sikhs generally in our country? >> we oppose all third world immigration. we have nothing against sikhs or any other third world people in their own country. we think sikhs belong in india. they have a -- they have been persecuted in india in the past but right now they hold high positions in government. >> you want them to go back to india essentially? >> exactly. we believe we have the right to maintain our countries as white nations just as india has the right, punjab has the right to maintain its country as indian and sikh or whatever. africa has the same right. >> did you know michael wade page? >> no, noble nobody i know had of page. apparently he had some

association with skin head bands. he posted on storm front a total of 7 times in four years and each post was just promoting his band. that is all. >> was your former group the kkk when you were a grand wizard was that a hate group? >> it was not. >> the kkk wasn't a hate group either? >> it as term that had nothing to do with one's political or racial views prior to the -- >> and you don't think that the attitudes you just expressed might generate the kind of hatred that could lead to the violence perpetrated by people like mr. page? >> i think mr. page -- i don't know his motives actually. i think he from what i gather he wanted to commit suicide and take a few people with him. he certainly wasn't helping us. he wasn't helping our cause by going into a temple and shooting up -- >> you stand by. i got you loud and clear. i will come back to you. our next guest, commander jeff

scoop is commander of the neonazi group called the national socialist movement which he says rejects the label hate group as well. why, mr. scoop? why reject it? why not embrace it? >> well, we are not a self-described hate group as what you had said there. we are a white civil rights organization. nobody in our movement or cause refers to it as a hate group. when you stand up for white interests and white people the mainstream he media labels it as hate. there is nothing hateful about standing up for your people and your rights. >> why can't you embrace america as a melting pot? >> this country was founded by white americans for white americans and our concern is as white americans white civil rights, the concerns of white people in this country and really the other races and the other people are not something we are concerned with. >> not at all even if they get killed like the sikhs were killed in wisconsin? >> you are putting words in my mouth.

i did not say that. i am saying it as tragedy any time there is a loss of human life but we do not believe that those people should be here in this country. we believe this is a country our forefathers founded fought and died for and we are standing here today in defense of our country. >> for the record there are plenty of black americans and brown americans and red americans and yellow americans who have also died for their country, commander scoop. i will come back to you as well. seth is the chairman of the world sikh council dealing with the melancholy fact that the sikhs are also confused for muslims. needless is to say they shouldn't by targeted either. they look different enough that theses can be he singled out just as they were singled out in oak creek, wisconsin. you have our sincere condolences for the victims. how about the awful phenomenon of mistaken identity and people

like page being not only evil but stupid and targeting sikhs? >> thank you very much. and i must thank all of the various faith groups and other communities that have commented against the hate that projectioned him to do something like this. we wish to convey to all americans among us, ourselves among them that it is love and compassion for everybody that is what the sikh scripture teach us that we should embrace. and we would continue promoting love, compassion and harmony among all people. >> how do you react when you hear the previous guests talking about white is su about premayy and the need to have

all people but whites expelled from the country. >> i have seen countries with diversity. if you look at history, most countries that have embraced diversity have done much better than those that despise it. sik hs have contributed greatly who this country's happiness and progress and that i think what stands in our mind as a model four for a great nation, our constitution says that -- our constitution and the preamble says very clearly that it is truth that everybody is born equal. >> gentlemen, if you would all stand by. we will explore the underworld of white supremacist music. the lierics so vial they can't be repeated on the air. and we will have the presidential politics. frank luntz an on how the

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♪ >> geraldo: white supremacist music like the kind played by wade michael page the wisconsin shooter. how does it work this music? let's ask tj leaden in vegas. a former neonazi he is the reformed author of skin head confessions. welcome. before we get to the music you you heard former grand wizard don black. you heard his comments and you heard commander jeff scoops comments that they reject violence. do you buy their proclamations of innocence? >> i don't buy it at all. i think it is basically a bunch of b.s. they talk about this country

was founded by white people for white people. there were people already here when white europeans came here. i guess if we are all supposed to come back to our own countries go back to ireland and france and england and germany and leave it back to the native americans. what it is about for them is the superiority of the white race and if whites conquered the country and killed hundreds of thousands of native americans that is fine because everything whites do is perfect and everything everyone else does is a negative. >> what about the music and page and the a i filliation with the white supremacist music. tell me about hammer fest. >> it brings people from all over the country. and it as way of it is like a rallying cry and gets people pumped up and they listen to the music and it it is talking about violence, murder, genocide and everything you can imagine. they are all pumped up so they are hoping as they drive away

the first african american they come across or hispanic or asian or somebody who is gay or lesbian they are hoping that there is going to be an attack. if i gave you something to read you may read it once or twice. but if i give you a cd and you listened it to multiple times and that song got stuck in your head you may walk down the street one day and that song clicks into your head. everybody that has been watching your show has had that happen to them in their life. if that message is talking about hate, violence, the overthrowing of the united states government that is a message that sadly you can't pay for. >> commander scoop, how do you respond to what t.j. just said what your real motives? >> as far as t.j. leaden is concerned, everything about the man. he is a hypocrit. posed as a racialist. he flips to the other side to make a buck. he is making a good living off of what he is doing being a

hypokit going around and speaking and doing these sorts of things. i don't think he has anything to say. it is all hypocritical. i rent a home and work a second job. jeff must know more about me than i do in my own life. it is amaze. >> geraldo: what about the main theme here are these people dangerous? >> they all of dangerous in different ways. jeff is saying that they are not about hate and violence but they embrace the swastika. the symbol of nazi germany that killed 12 million innocent people and caused millions and millions of american soldiers lives. but he embraces that. >> geraldo: thanks. hold on everybody. up next, the skin head and neonazi groups are full of sound and fury but do they

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>> shooting. there has been a shooting. >> location of your emergency? >> yes, ma'am. i need help. >> okay. take a breath. where can i send the help? >> i think oak creek and fort hood, those massacres were two sides of the same hateful coin. let's get specific. remembering that major hassan, tim mcveigh, this page character and other racist

killers came from the united states military. is there something going on that breeds hate mongers. bring in jm burger in boston tonight. we know about the presence of the gang bangers and their sympathizers in the military. what is it about the white supremele sifts? >> because they have training in weapons they will be much more effective in sort of extremist and terrorist circles and there is a lot of respect for military members in the circles so they will rise to the top and be more effective. they are more able to carry out a plan. it doesn't moon there i mean ta massive problem in the military. it means the veterans who end up in these types of movements is more dangerous than the average recruit? >> geraldo: what is the plan realistically? they are not going to get rid of minorities in the country. what the hell are are they

doing. >> they have a vision where the government is provoked into a crackdown against their movement that will make more and more people act up. >> inspire ared by waco, provoked by waco? >> mcveigh thought he was firing the first shot of his kind of revolution and instead everybody crawled back into their holes. he were horrified by what he had done the killing of children and were afraid of being arrested so they didn't act. but the mythology continues. >> geraldo: what about now that 9/11 is some years behind us, will the militias and the neonazis rear their ugly heads? >> they have been around all along. the movement never completely went away. what we have seen from the pre9/11 era from today is that it has become much more are splintered. in the 49ers there were anti-- in the 90s there were antigovernment movements

loosely aligned with idelogical racist groups. since then the racist movements themselves have become splintered and groups under siege from various directions and i think it is a weaker movement now but we still worry about these individuals is who might act out. >> don black, do you worry that your writing or the people you publish might provoke more violence? >> people who come to storm front and become involved in our online community and in local communities which did not include this guy page, he posted a few times promoting his band but people that become involved through a sense of community, a sense of direction. they are the least likely to go off and snap and start shooting up somebody. >> geraldo: old it. j.m., last thought. >> well, kevin harpin who tried to blow up martin luther king day parade last year was a

storm front poster and he credited storm front for educating him about race. if you pick any ten threads at random. might be one thread celebrating white culture and positive values against nine with negative statements against nonwhites. the statement that it is not a hate site is absurd on the face of it. >> geraldo: i have to leave it there. the discussion will continue. thank you. up next, governor january brewer are says the feds -- governor jan brewer says the feds can take a hike. she is not going to give immigrants a driver's license even if they what is that all about? spering] ...that's not yours. [ goat bleats ] na, na, n-- no! [ male announcer ] now you can take a photo right from video, so you'll never miss the perfect shot. [ hikers laughing, commenting ]

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debate over medicare ended with the speculation over the future of vice president joe biden. some suggesting that he be replaced on the ticket by secretary of state hillary clinton. that notion was quickly quashed by democrats. while defending biden even the president was forced to distance himself from biden's dumbass remarks that seem to suggest that a republican victory would lead to a a reinstitution of slavery. >> what joe biden was talking about is an example of a substantive argument and issue that the american people should be concerned about and his phrasing is a distraction from what is at stake. >> here is whey want to know. what if biden's remarks really weren't a gaffe at all? what if they were meant to fire up black voters in the same way the amnesty for are young undocumented immigrant dreamers was obviously designed to fire up latino voters?

one thing i know for sure this election has a larger racial component than any election in recent times. famed pollster frank luntz knows more than i did about this and joins us tonight from milwaukee. welcome aboard, mate. glad to see you. >> thank you. >> before i get into race politics, frank gallup has romney over obama. did he get a bump with ryan or is the race as tight as it has ever been? >> three things have happened in the past 8 days. i have been to ohio, here in wisconsin, colorado and what i'm seeing is a newfound energy and passion behind the romney campaign. the crowds are larger. romney is a better candidate. he has captured some of paul ryan's optimism. second is that the republicans want to focus on economic issues but the democrats have been trying to pull it over to

medicare which you noted before. that is good for obama because the third point is that the american people we are only in august but the american people decided that barack obama cannot solve the economic challenges facing the country so romney and ryan want to talk about the economy. they rant to talk about budgets. and they would rather not be talking about medicare. two out of the three attributes it has been a good week for mitt romney and paul ryan. >> geraldo: the last time you were on program, frank, we talked and you said something that i found very startling that romney leads among white voters and every other racial and ethnic group president obama has the lead. is this really is it so stark this division between the republicans and democrats? >> well, it has always been that division. is white voters tend to vote republican. african americans latinos tend to vote democrat. no change between 2004 and 2008 and 2012.

the key vote has been the latinos because they are willing to change their vote. george w. bush did well among them. in some states got 40% of the hispanic and latino votes. right now, mitt romney is getting in the low 20s. and yet you look over the last 8 days and it is almost like every group has moved in unison three or four points but in an election this close three or four points matter and they moved away from obama and towards mitt romney. >> geraldo: is that because of paul ryan, frank. in. >> it is -- ryan is part of it. he is the catalyst. but when you look at it ryan only causes people to take a second look. i don't because i'm watching the advertising and i do think that obama has a slight advantage in terms of the messaging right now. i will tell you this. a slight advantage is not good enough when you have an economy of 25 million people unemployed. when you have got a feeling like things are getting worse in this country not better after four years of 8% or above unemployment. and so it is not that they are necessarily embracing mitt

romney. i think over the last 8 days you have seen the subtle decision that barack obama just can't make things better. >> geraldo: frank, thank you very much, mate. i appreciate you coming on. terrific bipartisan panel to tackle 9 troubling issues race and politics and other broader issues. the chairman of the house republican policy committee. a good pal of paul ryan, dr. rice of georgia joins us. and henry q& cuellar is with u. kristine pa low ic pelisi is w. >> good evening. >> geraldo: let me ask mario whether romney made a mistake not choosing marco rubio who congressman would have been a lot more help i think it is

fair to say getting out that all important latino vote that frank just mentioned especially in the sunshine state. what do you think? >> marquise rubio is a superstar. look, i first ha v. to admit i'm a little biased in the area. i'm a good friend of his and i think he is a spectacular member of the u.s. senate. paul ryan is another superstar. let me put a little secret your way. four years ago i was pushing hard for paul ryan to be considered for vp then. he wasn't as well known. he was much younger. i think paul ryan is the kind of person that you want in leadership positions. he would be a great vice president. he would be great. he would make the american people proud of h him. he would be a big contrast with what we have now. administration that doesn't know how to deal with the economy. paul ryan knows how the economy works. he is smart. he is sharp. he is serious. yet with a good sense of humor.

i think he is one of the superstars. not republican superstars. talking about one of the superstars in public service right now. >> geraldo: i think he is very charismatic and he will do an excellent job. congressman, what about the latino vote. george bush got upwards of 40% of it and now mitt romney polling in the low 20s. can paul ryan deliver latinos for mitt romney? >> no, i don't think paul ryan can deliver latinos and i know paul ryan and he is is a very nice guy. i used to do the p 90 x with him at 6:00 in the morning. very, very nice guy. but to pool the latinos as george bush and i know george bush and certainly romney is no george bush, bush did a great job at getting out latinos. but mitt romney and paul ryan team are just not going to be able to do that. if they had mario on the ballot, on the ticket, i think they would have got a lot of

latinos. >> geraldo: i think they would. congressman price, you know paul ryan. you may not work out with him. i don't know but you are good friends. how do you think he did today? he went to the villages. he went to the heart of the medicare recipient community in florida today with his mom. do you think that he can get over the initial reaction from mine and your mom and others that this guy is scary because he is going change things? >> i did what the other side didn't believe he would do and that is go right to the seniors in the state of florida and speak to them and say there would be no changes under our plan for anybody over the age of 55. no changes. the fear mongering is simply not true. i want to address the issue you of the latino and african american voter and elsewhere. we are all americans and have huge challenges and what governor romney and paul ryan

bring to the table is a serious look and honest common sense positive solutions to the challenges and that is what the people are striving for regardless of your ethnic background. what this team brings to the table is positive upbeat american principled solutions. >> kristine, lady its til last but you have to wait until the other side of the commercial break if you don't mind. remember what you had in mind to say in response to my initial questions. you are first up when we come back. and ladies and gentlemen, what we would be talking about is you know the dreamers, the young immigrants, their presence in the country now will be legalized many of them as per the president's executive order. but arizona's jan brewer still says that the young immigrant dreamers are not getting driver's licenses in arizona. is that legal? after this. are you okay, babe?

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>> geraldo: welcome back live. kristine pelosi has not yet weighed in on the issue of the day. i would like to ask you, you compare paul ryan to sarah palin in terms of the impact she had on the mccain ticket in '08 and ryan's presumptive impact on the ticket in 2012. is what are the comparisons between palin and ryan. >> thanks geraldo on this the suffragery of the movement and right to vote in america i'm happy to speak out for my sister voters in america. in terms of paul ryan like sarah palin he is energizing the nominee and the base. like sarah palin he is making this more of a base election than being selected to win over independent voters and like sarah palin people are either going to say in 80 days this was a game changer or by not picking somebody with more experience they went for a celebrity and instead lost

again to barack obama. so i think the parallels is are very strong there and one thing that is also very he important in terms of the republican base vote is the way that they are looking at immigration. you saw the way that rick perry was booed. you saw the way that mitt romney talked about self-deportation and now with jan brewer making a gratuitous slap in the face at young dreamers in arizona, i don't see how you have a national republican party or 270 electoral votes unless you you run through the rocky mountain west and pick up more latino votes. the romney-ryan ticket has to distance itself from jan brewer on the issue. that not only loses you latinos but it loses other voters as whelm when you see how latinos are being treated. >> geraldo: no issue motivates the gop base like illegal immigration. they hate it but the flip side as kristine noted is the

importance of the latino vote. even if governor romney moderates the harsh rhetoric from the primary campaign h his slim hope of preventing another obama latino landslide is not being helped by sheriff joe and governor jan brewer. here is craig in phoenix. >> they pledge allegiance to our flag. they are americans in their hearts and minds and in every single way but one. on paper. >> the obama amnesty plan doesn't make them legally here. >> labeling president obama's deferred action plan nothing more than backdoor a amnesty, e governor of the grand canyon state posed a deeper rift for young undocumented arizonans hoping to take advantage of the president's directive. >> i'm 21 years old and i came when i was 13. >> i am 19 years old and i came

here when i was 8 months old. >> i'm allan. i came here when i was 14. >> they call themselves dreamers. technically illegal immigrants who know only america as their home. >> if i were to be deported i would lose everything that i know and have. i am a business owner here in america. >> educated and raised in the united states these otherwise law abiding youths initially thrilled at the prospect of legality say their hopes were dashed by the governor's announcement. >> you just want a home and want to belong. >> i just want acceptance. >> the dreamers attempted to air their grievance with the governor but you say their complaints fell on deaf ears. >> we are not criminals and we are trying to do things the right way and if there were a path to do that right now we would all be following that path but you there isn't. >> governor brewer says she was

affirming arizona law but denying public benefits and state i.d. but to the arizona unyou documented residents they say the executive order just leaves them in legal limbo. why the governor has support for her decision, even the maricopa county tough sheriff joe arpaio has some sem brans of sympathy. >> i have compassion. i took an oath of office and unfortunately the laws overrides my compassion. in arizona, these young people continue to fight for status. >> we are bilingual students that wants to contribute to the united states because it has given us everything. >> what do you sty a politician that says the only reason obama did this deferred action is because he was pandering to the hispanic vote? >> i don't think that is true. this should have happened before with the dream act then years.

>> employment authorization cards will be offered to those that apply but according to the governor no driver's license and no state benefits like in state tuition to college and the fight continues. just today the governor of nebraska has said that heel also oppose the president's plan. geraldo, back to you. >> okay. craig, the panel will be back live to discuss and react to what you just reported. then can the democrats deflate the republican's momentum by harping on governor romney's continued refusal to release more of his incom income tax r? all of that when we come back. ♪ lord, you got no reason ♪ you got no right ♪ ♪ i find myself at the wrong place ♪ [ male announcer ] the ram 1500 express. ♪ it says a lot about you. ♪ in a deep, hemi-rumble sort of way.

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>> geraldo: back live with our panel. lower right, kristine pelosi. above here, mario diaz republican of florida. and then henry cuellar from

texas and dr. tom price republican from georgia. aren't you you frustrated sometimes by what jan brewer and sheriff joe arpaio are doing in arizona? doesn't that hurt republican efforts to reach out to latino voters? >> what i do know is that the president is not the one who can decide what laws of this land will be enforce ared and sadly right now we have an administration who believes that they can decide whether or not they are ignore the laws of the land. when the president says we can't wait what he he means is that we can't wait for democracy. if this is the appropriate law of the land it ought to go through the legislative branch and executive branch and become the law of the land. the president can't decide which law he can enforce and not enforce. that is not the way our system works. we believe the president needs to step back and say let's get bipartisan work together in a positive way and solve this challenge that absolutely has to be solved but needs to be done in a way that respects the

rule of law and our system of government. >> congressman cuellar did barack obama do this to, sir, sum vent marco rubio's effort to legislate a dream act? >> we have been talking about a dream act for many years. keep about mind the power that the president used for the defer hadn't of two years is a power that both democrats and republican presidents have had since -- have used it for many years since the 1970s. it has been there. number one. number two, if you want to win the -- excite the republican party base just go with governor brewer and with the sheriff down there but at the same time if you want to lose the hispanic votes then don't condemn what governor brewer has done and i don't think romney 1 goin 1 is going to con it. are they going be like ronald reagan did in 1986 and reach out to the democrats and do a

bipartisan immigration reform like they did in 1986? that is the question. i don't think romney is going to do it. >> geraldo: more retail politics. how does this play in november? if jan brewer is standing at the door i mean doesn't that remind people of some other obstructionist governors who stood in the way of civil rights? isn't that the way latinos see this? >> look, your report just showed that the people the dreamers are still in limbo. what the president did has solved absolutely nothing. in order for him to try to get reelected he has killed marco rubio's efforts and others pushing for are a solution to the issue. killed the possibility of getting anything done in order to try to get reelected and the poor dreamers are still in limbo. how does this work. how about the parents all of a sudden brought forward by the

kids? are they subject to deportation. when you have the people on lists are you going to go after. are they subject to deportation? i have yet to receive an answer. because the president doesn't know. frankly i think he doesn't care. he is so concerned about his reelection he is willing to jeopardize real legislative efforts and what you report has just shown, the president didn't solve the problem. the only thing he has done is try to solve his reelection. that is unfortunate. we have people not working and families being split up and all this president cares about is getting reelected and, yes, you are absolutely right the only reason he did this is because he has broken his promise to the latino community for four years that he said he was going to present comprehensive immigration reform and he was getting all this pressure particularly marco rubio trying to get this thing solved and moving forward and he destroyed the chances of doing that to

get reelected. i hope we all remember in november what this president has done and how he cares more about his reelection than the american people and than people getting jobs and anything else. >> what we will remember is that the president pushed the dream act and the republican senate blocked it. what we remember is that it passed the house and failed in the senate. what we remember is that the republicans met on the night this president was inaugural rated and said they were going to block all things obama and what we know is that he kick started and put the ball in the republican's court and said stop filibustering the dream act and pass it. when it comes to the driver's licenses in arizona i think governor brewer out to reconsider only if for the safety of the people on the road. they he ought to be licensed and insured for the safety of captioned by closed captioning services, inc. max.

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