we'll see you all again tomorrow night. make sure you go to greta wire.com. let us know about the good stuff, bad news and the stuff you're not happy b good night from washington go to greta wire.com and talk about tonight's show. hope to see you tomorrow. >> laura: the o'reilly factor is on. tonight. >> paul ryan and todd akin like two peas in a pod. >> what congressman ryan wanted to do with representative akin is redefine rape. >> >> laura: the democrats pulling out all the stops in their effort to say that there is a g.o.p. war on women. but will this strategy back fire? we'll have a full report. they are taking this opportunity to put in a humidity to christianity. a lot of died on 9/11 we demand equal representation.

>> legal challenge from atheists who say it makes them sick is nothing sacred to them? we will debate it. >> he was the love of my lie life. we love each other and we probably always will. >> pop tar rihanna professes her love for her abuser singer chris brown on national television. what message does this send to young people in america? ♪ caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. hi, everyone. i'm laura ingraham in for bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. president obama and the media. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. in an ideal world. the press is supposed to be a check and balance on the power of politicians from both parties.

last night we discussed how joe biden gets away with outrageous statements and gaffes unlike something like michele bachmann or sarah palin never okay the willingness to give joe biden a pass for his incompetence is nothing compared to the leeway it gives the president himself. this love affair with the president goes back a long way to the 2008 campaign. jake tapper of abc news one of the few honest brokers out there in the non-fox press corps appeared with me on the radio today conceding. >> i he thought the media helped tipped the scales. i didn't think the coverage in 2008 was especially fair to hillary clinton or john mccain. it wasn't the fairest coverage and i hope that doesn't happen again. >> well, don't hold your breath. take the latest distraction of congressman todd akin's offensive rape comments. every republic has denounced

him. most have asked for him to withdraw from his senate race. this story has dominated the news cycle for the past 48 hours and was the first softball question at the president's presser yesterday. we after week the obama campaign dabbles in distractions, bain, romney's tax returns and now absurd attempts to tie romney to akin. and the president's media nationals are always at the ready covering the side shows instead of commanding answers to the real challenges facing our country. >> we are spending a lot of times in the last few weeks those of us in the political world talking about things other than the economy. so, you know, a lot of people are hurting out there. i would like to see more action taken and more emphasis given to this issue. >> laura: so voters, choose your media carefully. the news division at fox prides itself on being fair and balanced. holding all sides accountable. there are a few other good folks in the media who balk

the pro-obama spin. it's important to note romney may have a lot more campaign cash in the end than obama. but obama most in the media, including the entire hollywood establishment at his beck and call. that takes a smart counter strategy to overcome. and that's the memo. now to the top story, g.o.p. senatorial candidate todd akin announced today that he will not withdraw from the race in spite of a storm of protest over the commence he made about rape. akin has since apologized for saying in a tv interview that women's bodies are sometimes able to prevent pregnancies after what he called legitimate rape. the democrats have wasted little time trying to link akin's words to the republic party itself. >> paul ryan and todd akin like two peas in a pod have endorsed the same legislation that would limit women's rights to access to contraception, that would make

even rape and incest not reasons for having an abortion. >> what congressman ryan wanted to do with representative akin is redefine rape. and say, instead of just saying as we know, rape is rape. and a woman is raped when sex is forced upon her, against her will. they want to define that to forcible rape where i suppose she has to punch him or fight back. >> laura: is this really a smart political play? or is it going to end up back firing on the democrats. joining us now from new york are barack and hard place duo colmes and monica crawl the author of the book "what the bleep just happened." >> that's her book, not mine. >> exactly. my book. >> i'm going to start with you, colmes. because basically, you know, you work for the dnc. >> yeah, right. i got the memo so i'm all set. >> i'm looking at all those

top ten rankings of americans concerns. "wall street journal," nbc, all the rankings. whether rape, abortion, incest, exception is written into a law doesn't make a top 30 list let alone a top 10 list. how is this a winner for the democrats. >> well, first of all, most people are pro-choice and don't want the government telling them what to do with their bodies. not the media's fault this is being talked about it's the fault of republicans and they're the running making this a big issue. mitt romney is not talking about the economy. bring ryan on the ticket. he is ads barack obama eliminate the work requirement for healthcare. he is misrepresenting obama. is he talking about his taxes. ann romney gave interview being angry being asked about taxes. tax stump friday afternoon with ryan's taxes. romney says he is going to release his 2011 taxes october 15th. they are the ones setting the mean here. it's not the media it's not the democrats. at the can't wait to get rid

of this akin guy and they're the ones that is making this top of line. it'sed neat the media or democrats doing it? >> i'm sure what the bleep just happened over the last couple of days because he said it's outrageous and idiotic thing and now all hades has broken loose. the problem here is it was in fact the democrats who launched this bogus war on women many months ago. they tried to turn it into a real narrative that they could hang their campaign on because they can't run on the economy or the national debt or the out-of-control spending. economic growth, high unemployment. they can't run on any of that they tried to manufacture this issue about this war on women and what congressman akin ill advised and outrageous comment did was feed into that mean. and whether or not the mean is successful. we cannot have our candidates in this election year when we are fighting for the life of the country, play on the democrat's turf. that's the problem here. >> monica, you are doing a much better job doing counts of the economy. i don't agree what you said.

bringing up an issue we should be talking about. that's not what the romney campaign is talking about. you have got a republic platform that was just announced yesterday with no exception for rape or incest antiabortion. >> laura: alan, take a breath. >> far to the right of what romney said he is. >> laura: couple of things i need to correct going back to your first comments when you said most people are pro-choice. actually factually untrue. >> right. >> laura: after the first trimester of pregnancy heavy majority of americans. >> after the first trimester but the republicans would outlaw it entirely. >> laura: people describe themselves as pro-choice or pro-life evenly split. >> after the first trimester. the republic platform would entirely outlaw it entirely. >> laura: democrats are extremist on abortion they don't believe there should be much of any restrictions on abortion. >> that's not true though. don't misrepresent what democrats are saying there are definite that the laws on abortion. >> laura: campaigned about putting restrictions in a

second trimester. >> no exception for rape or incest is far out of the mainstream thinking of most americans. >> laura: that has been in the republic platform. monica, can you speak to this for the last i believe two or three platforms. and mitt romney doesn't write the platforms, monica. and he actually doesn't have to abide by the platforms. >> that's what he said today. >> that's right. first of all, laura. you are absolutely right. this has been part of the republic platform for many many years. this is not something new. when you look at polling on the question of proabortion vs. pro-life, what you see is a growing majority. the numbers direction of pro-life. >> pro-choice. >> laura: becoming larger. >> nobody is talking about this. everybody. >> laura: we are out of time. here are the results of our bill o'reilly.com poll. we asked would it be better for the country if a third political party rises up? 20,000 of you voted. here are the results. 52% say no.

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misrepresenting his position at bain to the sec which is a felony. >> laura: all of this messaging takes money and it appears that on that score the obama campaign is definitely losing. here to discuss the obama money tremendous vales are simon rosenburg president of mbn and emily tissuesman executive director of young democrats of america. let's talk about you this new rnc video. this is after the president went on the offensive at the white house briefing room. hadn't showed up. don't look at me. no one accused romney as committing a felony. isn't that exactly what he said why shouldn't do about paul akin slice and dies words. pretty much as you heard that clip they are saying that he could have committed a felony. >> i think that was only if you look back it was actually only half of the comment. that the deputy campaign

manager stefanie cutter campaign press call. my real question is where is the wisdom for romney in bringing this issue back up for him. first he didn't want to release tax returns for american people. now he is when or did when he did not leave bain. why keep bringing up these issues? >> laura: i think it's a question of whether the president is actually stating something factually inaccurate as he goes before the reporters yesterday fair guy. call out the republicans it's a little bit of a wink and a nod. don't you think? didn't know he was committing a felony. the word felony and romney was used in like one sentence, okay? that's sending a pretty strong sentence, is it not? >> i think what the president said was technically true is

that she didn't call him a felon. she said if he had done this he committed a felony. i know that's not going to pass muster on most cable television shows. i want to agree with emily is i don't know why the republicans are bringing up this issue of him potentially having done something really wrong with his financial filings. he also clearly made unbelievable mistakes on his last presidential filing that could actually trigger a federal investigation bring up at this point. i don't think they will trying to ding the president. last few days hearing a lot of talk from from the republicans about the misspeaking. >> talking about the need not to words. technically right. like did i not have sex with that woman. it becomes a blur for political. left, right, center. they want people to talk straight.

look, as campaign spokesman goes out and says these things. maybe we shouldn't have said felony. i think there is an issue there. could be. i think people have woo have given him as pavment let's move on. on the money chase, interesting stuff romney campaign and obama campaign brought in similar amounts of money. $49 million. the obama campaign is blowing through it pretty fast. blew through more than they took in last month by $10 million. what's going on there? >> no question that the romney campaign between the campaign, super pacs was going to outraise the president which we are seeing a little bit. >> laura: obama was going to be the billion-dollar man, don't you remember that billion dollars going to raise. come on. >> as you said, these ads are getting more and more negative. i think the american people are going to end up tuning them out. the super pac ads. the romney super pac can keep on buying air time. i think it's going to be so negative.

the american people are going to end up tuning them out. what you are left with is a very serious field program that president obama has built over the last year like the fields program get out the vote. i think that will -- >> laura: simon, do negative ads work. >> of course they do. i too do think both sides are going to have plenty of money. republicans will probably have a lot more. not shocking to most democrats. >> laura: i can't believe that obama would blow through money like that. isn't that unusual for a democrat to blow through a lot of other people's money? such a cheap shot. i take it back. >> can i say one quick thing on that? remember, obama had to start using money earlier than mitt romney, right? because of the late primaries. some of this has to do with a different schedule and different strategy. lawyer hour we will see what happens. up next, a group of atheists want a cross removed from that 9/11 museum because they say it could make them sick. the group's spokeswoman will be here. you don't want to miss this. ♪

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lar lawyer nothing is more sacred to americans than ground zero and everyone remembers that iconic cross made of steel girders from the fallen towers. but now a group of atheists are claiming it must not be displayed in the 9/11 museum because they say it may make some of them physically ill. it would seem to be hard case to make to a court that the american people don't want this but to make that argument is theresa mcbane, the republic relations director for american atheists, a group that filed the lawsuit. she joins us now from new york. okay. teresa.

tell me simply why these beams that look like a cross and meant so many americans especially in new york why that would make you, quote, physically sick. >> well, the issue is not necessarily about the cross. the case has been brought because the other people, there were about 1,000 people who were involved, victims of 9/11 whose families were not christian. and those families have been denied the ability to place a memorial in this museum to represent their faith or their family or their loved one that has perished. that's what the real crux of this lawsuit is those people, one of the plaintiff's brother was one of those victims. they are just in distress about it. you know, anxiety. stress. knowing that they are being denied their right to honor their loved one. that's a prettious serious thing. >> laura: first of all, i'm pretty sure that maybe is it 85% of the firefighters who died in the towers were

catholic. and overwhelming majority of people who died were christians. >> correct. >> laura: nevertheless, in the lawsuit, it says that the cross itself is what makes people sick because there is no agreement on what will be written underneath the cross. that hasn't been determined yet. we talked to the museum spokeswoman today who said we're in the process of doing that but, families have been consulted and the community at large has been consulted throughout the process. has it not. >> i believe that's correct. and we have discussed this with, as i said, one of our complainants was a survivor himself and his brother was one of the ones who was a victim. interesting thing about this plaintiff is their family was denied the ability to place a lutheran cross in this memorial. >> laura: this actually is not a denominational cross, right? this was found. this is actually an artifact, a part of the tower, so it's

not like they are pulling a crucifix out of a local church. they are not going to saint patricks and putting up christ on the cross. that was actually at the site. it became so meaningful to so many people and as a human being, why do atheists persist in this decades long battle that serves only to divide people, make people feel really bad? doesn't do anything but cause probably more social unrest and it turns people against the courts. i think that's what's happened with all these types of lawsuits but go ahead. >> well, i mean we have to remember there are over a thousand victims. their families who lost loved ones on 9/11. and they are not being allowed to represent and honor their family members in this memorial. some are jewish. some are atheists, nonbelievers. >> laura: are they all signing your lawsuit? are they all party to your lawsuit or do you just find one person. >> no. there are several people

involved. i don't have the lawsuit in front of me. >> laura: well, they are the ones who approached us to file this lawsuit. >> laura: are they not allowed into the museum to actually -- >> -- yeah, the museum has denied them. they're not allowed. >> american atheists have approached them on several occasions as a part of this lawsuit. they have offered to place their memorial as well. and have been denied every time. >> laura: i don't think they are not allowed into the museum. >> no. just the memorials are not allowed. >> laura: i think everybody's names are prominently displayed at the memorial. i think everybody is being honored, including people who happen to have a religious background. the cross was just found at the site. i'm still confused but nevertheless, great to talk to you ms. mcbane. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. pop star rihanna says she still loves the man who beat her and she says it on national tv. is this the kind of message our teenagers need to hear? plus an unbelievable lawsuit involving a child and a beauty

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>> laura: in the personal story segment tonight, a new documentary is making waves but not everyone is happy with it they come to america, takes the viewer on uncomfortable journey from the rough mexican border to the mean streets of new york and its leafy suburbs where illegal immigrants take jobs from american workers. >> the buildings that use to

higher me -- hire me and my guy juiced to come me to get cheap labor cut me out of the picture. now my tax paying citizens aren't paying the bills anymore. who are paying the bills? these guys? they get the checks and send it back home. >> what are you looking at over there. >> it is a cartel headquarters for distribution of drugs in this area. you go near there, you are dead. you are dead. >> drug cartel. according to the film makers who has been impossible to get the mainstream media's attention. joining us from new york is the film maker dennis michael lynch. dennis, pretty provocative stuff. not all that surprising to me because i have been covering this issue for many years and interviewed ranchers and property owners and people who have been on the front lines, border patrol but nevertheless, you are not a little guy, right? you are not somebody who has been lobbying for immigration,

amnesty or the other way around for more enforcement. you are just a film maker. >> yeah, i'm not political at all. in fact i'm ashamed of this. i haven't voted in the past 20 years. when did i vote 20 years ago i couldn't tell you if i voted for the democrat or the republic. i jumped in this topic just by chance, really. what i came away finding. i mean you are not surprised because you have been in the game. i came away, i cannot believe how bad illegal immigration is and how bad it's effecting america and the fact that you don't hear this on television every day. i couldn't believe what i found, laura. and the most shocking at the site of the large illegal crossings all the way to the workforce. there are more than people who want to come here to cut your lawn crossing the border.

i saw people jumping 80 stories. what makes somebody do that violators. i also afraid to speak about this topic get classified no sense. then we have got the president giving out work permits in to illegal immigrants we have a 23 million people out of work. these people don't want welfare. they want jobs. america is getting crurekd with illegal immigration. yet it gets tucked under the rug like it's no big deal. it is the number one problem facing our country today and in the years to come whether you realize it or not. >> laura: when you talk to people who really aren't political not aligned with one party or the other. might vote republic one year and democrat the next. they can't figure out why it

is the united states of america with all of her technology and all of her will and all of her brain power n't enforce the border. and my answer to them is always because there has been unholy alliance between the left and the right for many years not to enforce the border or to look the other way oftentimes. >> lauer, -- laura, everybody is guilty here. this is not a blue or red problem. this is an american problem. we have got people crossing our borders. people taking jobs and undercutting americans. we don't seem to care. and i will tell you what. there are people who care. there are millions of people watching you tonight saying thank goodness somebody is finally telling the real story. they come to america.com and order the dvd. laura, i send them three because i want them to take the other two and send them out to a swing state or i want them to take somebody who doesn't think that illegal immigration is the problem it is. i will not stop this fight, laura, until everybody knows about the film. >> laura: mr. lynch, we appreciate it shut out by the

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policeman's request to avoid duty at a local mosque. and arizona immigration law all get a closer look by our legal eagle duo. kimberly guilfoyle and lis wiehl. let's start with you lis. let's start with this oklahoma issue. what is going on here? a police officer has to go to a mosque for training? what's happening? >> exactly, laura. a 17 year veteran of the tulsa oklahoma police department was ordered to go to a mosque. he said no, it's against my christian beliefs. i'm not going to do it. there he is right there. you know what happened, laura? he was docked two weeks pay. he was transferred. given the graveyard shift and told hey, don't apply for any promotions for a year. this is absolutely incredible. he had to file a suit saying you infringed on my first amendment right and 14th amendment right and title 7. >> laura: kimber live weigh in here. atheists are always suing and always offended by one issue or another. >> yeah. >> laura: in this case, to force someone to go to an

islamic center. penalized could have gotten out of it if he had said he wasn't feeling well. >> because he was honest and exercised his god given constitutional right, he has been penalized for it is he asking for compensatory damages. i think he has a very strong case. as lis said violating the first, 14th and 17th rights. so blatant. i don't think it would give it in law school exam questions. >> not a good hypothey will. also told to bring other officers. recruit. >> exactly. >> recruit other officers to come. and it wasn't, laura, it was not voluntary like can you go if you want but if you don't have to. it was mandatory, laura. that is wrong and it's against the law. >> laura: you know what i want? i want some of the atheists to actually join in on this suit and say they agree they shouldn't be going to a

mosque. they always go after the christians. >> they do. great point. >> laura: forced to go a mosque, well, of course, they should go to the mosques. >> hearing crickets from the atheists. >> laura: hello? let's talk about what's happening now in arizona a new challenge to the show me your papers part of that controversial sb 1070. kimberly, tee off on this because the court kind of left this open, the supreme court, did it not. >> they sure did. they rule 5-3 in support. it was one section in this other provision, section to be that actually was found to be valid. now what i think is a problem here legally procedurally is this issue is not right. meaning the court was very specific that until an actual case comes forward, you can't go on phantom hypotheticals and then say to try to back door it and strike it down is unconstitutional. the law does not provide for that so, too soon it's going to get thrown out. >> a person comes forward and says look, i was discriminated against. i was pulled over from no

other reason for from the way that i looked or acted. having nothing to do my crime but status. once a human individual comes forward and says that it's ripe. until then it's not ripe. >> another provision the issue here is the harboring of illegal aliens also. also at issue. but, again, what are the damages? what's the claim? if there is -- is there really a case or controversy which goes right to the heart of it. >> no case or controversy right now. we're not talking about apples and oranges. talking about in a legal sense whether something is ripe in front of the court. not ripe yet. until there is individual harm or somebody is charged with the harboring. it's not ripe and it's not going to go. >> of course this is spearheaded by the aclu again. until they get a plaintiff or someone that's been wronged sorry you are out. >> there has to be an actual case. just because you don't like a law doesn't give you grounds to challenge it unless have you been adversely affected and there is a specific case. >> correct. that's what the supreme court says as well. >> let's move on to the

toddlers and tiaras because you both were pageant girls at age 5 and 6. >> what? >> >> laura: you didn't wear these. this is now -- i confess i don't watch this show, you know, it's not one of my tivoed items. it's involving a custody battle with a dad who says look, this is out of bounds. i want full custody. >> yes. >> tell us, lis. >> talking about a 5-year-old girl who had to go to this pageant wearing this is the family show. so i don't want to get too graphic. look at that it's incredible. everything false. at 5 years old. she has no will to say yes or. no her mother is forcing her to do it. father is coming forward and saying look, this is not in the best interest of my 5-year-old child. i want sole custody of this child and i think he should get it. >> petition more like an estranged individual to the family. now he wants to step forward in some ways you have to scrutinize exactly what his motives are i'm not saying it's a good idea to go around

with a padded buttocks or bra when you are a years old believe me did. she commit an actual crime where she endangered the welfare of a child and basically reprehensible. >> look at that isn't that endangering a child. >> that she is going to lose custody? i don't think so. >> two separate questions. is it a good thing to do. >> no. >> right. >> laura: whether it's legally actionable in a family law setting. and in this case this is where the culture seems to be. we are sexualizing young girls in a lot of ways. not just in these toddler and tiara situations but in billboards and music lyrics and becoming objects of pedophile fascination. >> little girls dress up at halloween paris hilton and lindsay lohan. >> not doing it on television. horrible for that kind of child. >> is that supposed to be a dolly parton look. >> i like dolly parton, too. but this is wrong. >> laura: i love her, too.

people tell me that the pageant thing actually fun and good and it gives girls self-esteem. call into my radio show you don't understand. maybe i don't understand. that to me seems really really weird. that's not legal advice. that's just weird. lisa and kimberly great to see you both. in a moment, pop singer rihanna tells oprah that chris brown is the love of her life again. even after he brutally assaulted her. so what kind of message is this sending in a moment? it's something you're born with. and inspires the things you choose to do. you do what you do... because it matters.

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>> laura: in the factor follow up segment tent it, you may remember that infamous 2009 case involving singer chris brown who beat his then girlfriend, the singer rihanna. he eventually pleaded guilty to a felony and was sentenced to five years probation.

well, rihanna made news again this week when she told oprah winfrey this. >> we have been working on our friendship again and now we are very very close friends. we have built a trust again, and that's it. like we love each other and we probably always will. that's not anything that we are going to try to change. it's not something that you can shut off. >> laura: many see this as a p.r. disaster for rihanna. and a terrible message for america's teenagers. joining us now from new york is dr. jeff gardere a clinical psychologist. doctor, look, the pictures after rihanna had been beaten were startling. and anyone who has dealt with women who have been abused. there is a battered wife or battered girlfriend syndrome that we have all heard a lot about. is this what we're seeing from her here or is this real redemption? i mean redemption is possible for chris brown. and maybe that's what she is seeing. >> i think it's a combination of both.

inside sources say that rihanna has actually gone to counseling. we know chris brown has had anger management and some other treatment. and what we're not really hearing, i think a lot of people have missed the message. saying they are friends. they are working on a friendship. they will always love one another but they are not in a romantic or intimate relationship and i think that's very positive. and i always think there is a residual victim of domestic violence where sometimes you blame yourself. that's what the perpetrator has you do. they make you think that you are pushing all the wrong buttons and that's why you gotten beaten. look at the deeper message here. this is the love of her life. well, she has had a very short life. that's why he is the love of her life right now. let's talk to her in another five or ten years when she is much more mature and has met other people who might be the right fit for her. >> well, i was stunned by is last year on "the today show" last summer, a year ago, chris

brown, one of the biggest recording stars in the world, he had, i think, 30 or 40,000 people lined up to see him, and i made a big deal that says, wait a second, didn't this guy beat his girlfriend and all these women out there lining up to see chris brown? i then got in a twitter war with his nickname is breezy. so breezy's posse, they all came after me. a lot of nasty things said. he and i kind of made up a little bit over twitter there was some pretty nasty things said by posey. he wasn't calling them off. there is redemption. there is a possibility of redemption. i don't see it necessarily in the lyrics. >> right. >> laura: but maybe she has forgiven him and people can change. i'm trying to be fair here. >> yeah. i'm glad you are because they are working on this. i think that's the message that needs to go out there. she didn't sign on to be the spokeswoman for every woman. she is still very young. still very immature. she says things that may be explosive that young girls should not be hearing. you know what? she is working through the issues. he needs to work through the

issues. the important thing is they realize they can be friends but they really can't be lovers because that may be just too explosive and may go back to domestic violence again. so god bless her. >> laura: i think of the song love hurts. where you want the message to young women to be don't stay with abuser. maybe we added that to the interviewer. >> absolutely right. >> laura: doctor, thanks so much. on deck, father pfleger enters the no spin zone why chicago is being rocked by violence. is being rocked by violence. we will be back in

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stealing my show! >> a lot different in my parish. since then he's kept a low-profile, but bill caught up with him recently and they talked about the wave of murders sweeping inner city chicago and how to stop them. >> so what's driving this violence, father? >> well, i think there's a number of things. first of all, i think chicago is a poster boy right now for it, but i think it's an epidemic across the country that we're largely ignoring because the victims are primarily black and brown, but i think you have high unemployment, you have poor education, you have communities broken apart, it creates the perfect storm. and it creates this atmosphere for a culture of violence in this country that's become almost the norm.

we've become immune to it. we can't get immune to children dying in our streets. >> bill: but in cities like new york, some other towns across the country, the murder rate is coming down. all right? it's not as bad as it used to be. >> right. >> bill: a variety of reasons for that. community policing, comstat, the gutter. computer. in chicago it's going the other way. there must be something in the windy city. is it gang, narcotic violence? is that's what's going on there, driving this stuff? >> gangs are part of it. wyou know, we have a new police chief now. three years that we're continuing to ignore nationally and locally is number one this proliferation of guns. there are guns than computers. that's an issue. we've got to break this coved silence where people are afraid to speak up. we've got to get communities engaged and empowered again. police are one part of the

problem. i think communities have laid back and feel like, okay, police just you can solve it, you solve it. we're seeing the murder rate continue to spike. i think that's not acceptable. so we have to engage -- let them know we need them. >> bill: i agree with you. if the community comes together with you, the relation-based community should be leading, and then the police and everybody cooperates to make it harder. >> equal partners. >> bill: on the gun front, the narcotics dealers are going to get guns no matter what you do. the argument can be made, and one black elderly man on the south side of chicago got prosecuted, because he said, i'm tired of people breaking into my house, i have a gun, i need it for protection. i'm not taking the gun away from that man, father. i'm sorry. he has a right to protect himself. >> right. i understand the second interpret. people have a right to own guns. i have no problem with that. all i'm saying is that we need to title guns like cars. they say, well, a criminal will always get the gun. criminal can't get a car from general motors.

if we give a title, the guy that goes and buys 200 guns, he has 200 titles. he doesn't transfer those titles on the street. >> bill: anything can be tightened up. >> you're right. >> bill: we support that. we're not arguing that. >> that's one piece of it. >> bill: you hit on a couple of other things. first of all, most of the victims in chicago, minority victims, right? >> yes, absolutely. >> bill: you do as a catholic priest make any correlation between above 70% in the black community out-of-wedlock birth rate, whereas babies are being born primarily to single mothers who are poor, who have trouble supervising, no father in the house, do you make any correlation between the morality of that situation and the violent crime you're seeing? >> no, i don't make a relation on that. what i do make a connection with is that we are living in a society where the family is broken apart, neighbors are broken apart. we're a country now that we don't talk to one another.

not neighborhoods anymore. >> bill: you have a lot of african americans in your church. i've been to your church. >> right. >> bill: do you tell them not to have babies out-of-wedlock? >> of course i preach that, you shouldn't have babies without being parents and married, because -- >> bill: so you do? there's the catholic morality track, but there's a social track. the social track is if you do that, you're more than likely going to be poor, it's going to be a bad situation, so don't do it. it's not fair to the child. what's the response to that? >> i think the response is across the country is that we -- you know, this is not a black situation anymore. this is women -- >> bret: no, it is a black situation when you have above 70% in one ethic group, it's a black situation, father! >> okay, but i'm telling you, when i go across this country in -- in white communities, i see the same thing. >> bill: no.

it's about 25%. it's about 25%. >> the divorce rate across this country -- >> bill: the dissolution of the family drives social problems. >> absolutely. >> bill: we have to be honest about this. the more you have -- you put your finger on it -- the more you have chaos in the family, the more violent crime you're going to have. >> before we go tonight, take a look at this full-page ad in today's "usa today." it announces the release of bill's new children's book, "lincoln's last days." the book is for kids in grades 4-8. lots of schools are getting copies of it. so can you. it's on sale today. just a few tickets are available to see bill and dennis miller in austin, texas, on november 23rd. there's now a second show in houston the following day. information for that is available on billoreilly.com. please, of course, check out my radio show. go to lauraingraham.com where you can sign up to be a