>> john: that is all we have time on. thanks to the panel. i'm jon scott. thanks for watching. we'll see you again next week. >> john: tonight how the media gets it wrong. we cover drama endlessly. >> it's not necessary. >> john: but look what at some people call news. that is today? and my network spends time on bouncing bear. i admit i like watching this. it grabs my attention and for my show i do things like taking a chainsaw to the budget, gag pedicure and breaking windows. is this news. >> you can give them a laugh. >> but more people say they get news from comedians.

>> glenn beck says my tv show is toast. >> you don't need that anymore. >> what about bias. >> we are here around the people all day, you can't see your own biases. >> the media and how we get it wrong, that is our show tonight >> john: we in the media like to think we do serious work. thomas jefferson if it were left to him to decide with on government without newspapers or vice versa he would prefer newspapers. now, we have television. we keep oppressors in check and warn you about dangers and keep you informed what is important. except i read the papers and watch tv shows including my own. we do a lot of silly stuff.

once went to a junk yard and smashed things. >> stimulate. >> john: i was making a point by the stimulus plan. i could have made the point without the sledge hammer but i thought more of you would pay attention if i broke things. also, tv news is a business. if you don't watch we don't make money. i get fired and we go out of business. we're under pressure to tell you what is important and try to make it interesting. that can be a conflict. fox anchor megyn kelly hosts america live from 1:00 to 3:00 p.m., ten hours of live tv every week. look, you do it with some nonsense, car chases, cover the car chase of the moment. models and diet fads. how are we supposed to be the

news business to cover what is important. >> we cover crime. its crime in progress. why not cover a crime in progress where we can witness the event. we all become potential witnesses because we watched it unfold. there is a big question mark about the outcome. i think people wanted to watch it. >> john: here is my gripe. these shows, yours is called america live. there is happening now that comes on before you. what is happening now. i think the important stuff happens slowly. the gradual increase in the deficit that may crush it. the women's movement. the invention of the birth control pill and computer chip, that is important stuff. while you are covering the crime of the day we cover less of that. >> i think that is truer. evening broadcasts than it is of cable news.

as you say i do ten hours a week. if for no other reason we have to sell that time. we do tons of stories on deficit and healthcare. when the healthcare debate first started, i was co-anchoring a news show. ours was one of the first shows to pay any attention. when it first started, nobody was paying attention to it. then an explosion happened with it. tea party and everybody else. now everybody is on it. >> john: no questions it's one of the reason i went to fox because fox covers much more of the stuff that i think is important. >> they don't have as much real estate. we have a lot of real estate to cover. >> john: but if we're news people, shouldn't it be all that. here is a story you cover. pantyhose for men. >> introducing manty hose or

perhaps you prefer broserrie. >> john: okay, come on. that was like the thing we do before we talked to shepard because we wanted to talk to him about that. you can give them a laugh and still bring them a news. i like to speak how we approach our show. it's all the news. you can talk about something that is social issue or something that a mom may be experiencing or something that will give people cocktail party fodder. >> john: every second we devote to that is second we take away from healthcare? >> we can transform ourselves to the most boring network, it's already out there, c-span. nobody wants to watch that 24/7. they want to be entertained. this is a lot of problem that

networks don't get. don't bore them to death, it's not necessary. >> john: c-span covers politicians talking and that is wind bags talking and analyzing this stuff. i've gone on your show with a llama. >> weren't you standing next to me with an alpaca. i have props. >> i love your props. >> john: here we go. this is the road to serfdom. it's a little disappointment. >> i want to put it on. >> john: i'm not saying i'm above this. we cover the news. >> it's journalism and you need to be a journalist and good

broadcaster to deliver compelling television. some people are around some people aren't. it's to make it compelling visually to keep people stimulated when they watch. it's not just about straight news and nothing but the facts because they can get that in printed and get that online. when they turn to a television show they want to see analyst system and they want to get, analysis. >> good luck with your ten hours a week. given that we are not perfect. i'm glad there are people that watch the media for that. one group the media research center keeps track of bias and deceit of the left wing media and on left, media matters bills itself as a research center dedicated on correcting conservative information. tucker carlson that media matters does a nasty things in the name of correcting

conservative misinformation. tucker, like what? >> well, media matters had an entire program to try and basically eliminate fox as a news organization. there aren't many liberal news outlets as you know. one of them fox. media matters drew up an entire plan that outlined its plans for instance to send private detectives against employees to uncover embarrassing details about their personal lives. >> john: and behind the scenes people. >> any employee 6 news corporation put signs outside their homes. billboards and embarrassed them in their communities. attacked them in social media. >> john: this was just one guy thinking out loud. >> actually was the entire organization thinking

corporately as a group. this memo was a product of a number of people's input. it's not clear they didn't do this. we know that they did send undercover camera teams to speeches given by fox employees. >> john: if they put billboards up we would have seen them? >> we would have. i think it's entirely valid as you suggested to keep track of what the media are saying. that is an important function. this is a very different thing. this is an attempt to squelch commented they disagree with to crush a perspective that they don't think should be aired. that i think is very different from critiquing news. >> john: you published an internal memo from them on their enemy list. fox employees and other

conservative news sites and even conservative politicians were on the listed. left wing group has an enemy's list. >> there is certain irony, the memory of the mccarthy period is kept alive as a way to pointed out the excesses of conservatives. this what can happen if the powerful run amok. here is a left wing group, clearly the irony meter was broken in media matters they decided to that. they are trying to get people they disagree with to stop talking. >> john: that is creepy. on the other hand when they cover me, i kind of enjoy it because they don't necessarily say i'm totally evil. they will post a video and say, can you believe what stossel said that not every young person should vote. they just post it. let other people decide for

themselves. >> you like it because it's not possible to intimidate you. you spent many years having a minority view at a television network. that is hard thing. so clearly this has no affect on you. for a lot of people, say you are an a.p. party and sort of liberal. if media matters jumps on you and you get 300 hostile e-mails, you think it will affect your coverage. they attack people who disagreed with them. it did have an effect on coverage. >> john: the head of media matters, what you did was an effort on the part of tucker as a paid contributor to dampen the affect we think our new book is going to have? >> right. the book was an absurd clip job and never have an effect.

fox doesn't pay me enough to enter into any kind of conspiracy. oh i run a news organization. we have a the biggest conservative news site. this was an obvious story. the only reason we did this story was disgruntled employee of david broke came to us, note because they showed disagreed with the way he ran the company they tattled on him. somebody gets mad and somebody comes with the goods. >> john: but you are happy there is a group out there keeping an on the right? >> when i had a show the last thing i wanted to be held accountable. i hate that. of course, and before ten years ago, you could say virtually anything you want on cable and

there was no way to check it. now youtube has made everybody accountable and it makes it uncomfortable. it's a good thing. if you believe in high standards if you believe in objective truth, then you are for that. i don't have a complaint with that. i have a complaint with trying to hurt people for political reasons. i don't think media matters has shown any evidence that they are interested in the truth. they are a partisan political group that coordinates with the obama white house. there could be a serious watchdog group on the left and i would welcome their presence. >> john: thank you tucker carlson and i'm glad you started the daily caller. >> john: coming up, my job, this job, this program may soon be history because of his internet channel. it's the wave of the future. and frank luntz is here to tell us why we shouldn't trust the media.

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>>. this is a fox news alert. astronaut neil armstrong has died. armstrong was the first man on the moon known for the line, that is one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. as he touched down on the surface for the first time. it was july 20th, 1969. armstrong underwent a heart bypass surgery this month to relieve a blocked coronary artery. he made his birthday. jon scott will take a look back on his extraordinary life. >> the eagle has landed. >> perhaps a final decent to the lunar surface was the highlight of the flight. it's very challenging. a lot of unknowns for a pilot. it was a wonderful experience. >> on july 16th, 1969 apollo

commander blasted off to the moon. his voyage would take him to where no man landed before. traveling him with edwin aldrin and michael collins. >> after landing hours to stand there, long before we actually got out the surface. we had a pretty good appreciation for what the moon was like. >> that is one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. >> armstrong made world history when he stepped off the eagle and set foot on the moon. hundreds of millions of people gathered in front of televisions around the globe to witness it. the men became national heros. president praised them for a special long distance call. >> hello, neil and buzz, i'm

talking to you by telephone from the oval room at the white house. >> neil armstrong was born august 5th, 1930 in ohio. at 16 years of age he had his student pilot's license before he drove a car. he joined the navy and flew 78 combat missions over koa. he graduated with a degree in aeronautical engineering. he joined the astronaut program. four years later he got the first state taste of space. two vehicles why docked in space for the first time. however, rang into complications. he started re-entry early and the mission was cut short. risks were part of spaces exploration. prior to the launch, neil armstrong was nearly killed while training in a test vehicle. >> when neil decided to eject

looks like he had a few swings on the parachute before he hit the ground. >> apollo 11 was the last mission in space. he accepted a teaching position at university of cincinnati. he taught engineering until 1979 and then a spokesman for a handful of u.s. businesses. he also served on the boards of several companies. in 1994 he stopped signing autographs after finding out that his signed memorabilia were selling for large amounts of money. he shied away from the limelight. >> if it has anything to do with show business, neil armstrong passes. nobody would recognize him. he hasn't put his face out there >> probably 500 years from now we may be living in the age of armstrong just like the age of columbus. >> we like to be recognize not

for one piece of fireworks but for the ledger of our daily work. for the ledger of our daily work we will definitely remember kneel armstrong. one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. you can't help feel patriotic. bringing in former astronaut tom jones. i would like you to reflect on your memories of mr. armstrong and your thoughts right now. >> my memories go way back to 14-year-old kid watching the first moon landing and learning the name of neil armstrong and the rest. he was the person that helped can united states achieve winning the space race against the soviet union. we go into the 21st century he'll be landmark personality.

later on when i became an astronaut admiring his work, i finally got to meet him when i was flying on the space shuttle. that was a dream come true for me to actually get to talk with neil and learn a little bit about his career and about our future in space. >> do you remember what you said to mr. armstrong when you met him that day? >> i think i just told him it was great pleasure to meet him and how much i admired his work. we worked together for a couple of years on strategic planning for the future of nasa human space flight program where astronauts can go next. we haven't been back to the moon in almost 50 years. i think we disappointed neil in not following up on their great discoveries. i think we ought to redouble our efforts thanks to him and his colleagues we have a great future in space if we have the will to explore again. >> reporter: i wanted to ask you

on the issue, what do you think as far as you know mr. armstrong's thoughts regarding the circumstances of nasa today? >> as you know he was very circumspect. he didn't go out in public very much. he rarely gave public speeches. lately he has stepped up his speaking about the future of space flight and how important it is for the country. i think he would have told you he is very much concerned that we have not challenged ourselves, we have not set ambitious enough goals in space and we need to get beyond the space station and get back to the moon, nearby astroids and eventually mars. he very much an advocate to expand in space. we could have done more over the last 20 years. >> reporter: when we see these images, it makes, it gives you goosebumps. i'm assuming you're seen the

images. you've lived them yourself having flown on several space shuttles. do you think the turn of events today and mr. armstrong having passed, that will renew our energy, nothing political but us as americans and perhaps pushing the political folks to get involved and to actually be engaged and let's rethink this. nasa the space program is very much a part of our history and very important part of our history. >> armstrong's career is evident that the country can do tremendous things. i don't think we lost that talent or armstrong didn't think that. examining his career will remind people again we have that capacity to explore and reach the limits and go beyond them. this country has a role to play in pioneering the space frontier. also he showed that the

technology that was applied to reach the moon on his flight can then be applied to boost our economic and technological fortunes in the 21st century. where were you when you first heard this news today? >> in north carolina and having a family weekend. this is truly a shock. i heard he had resented surgery and he was recovering well. >> reporter: he underwent a heart bypass to relieve blocked coronary arterys. when is the last time you spoke to him? >> probably within the last year. we had many chances to work on the nasa advisory council. the last time i saw him when he came to the space museum to talk about his aeronautics career and history in space flight. it's great to hear in his own

voice retrospective about test flying and early career. that is what inspired me to go into the space program and the career of the apollo astronauts inspired an entire generation to go into technology. i think the country is still benefiting. >> and you having said that mr. armstrong was someone you looked up to. i ask you when you hear your hero, since you are part of the nasa advisory council, you h have a chance to review his career, what struck you most? usually when you talk about yourself you talk about your most memorable accomplishment. what struck you most when you heard him spike about his own career? >> his example of being so modest and unassuming about his role. he is very much his selection as just a lucky break.

in the timing worked out well. any of the astronauts he flew well could have done that job. i think his bosses new better. they knew how cool he was under fire from the gemini mission he had to return from orbit on emergency reentry and he hand that had cooly. he was the right person responsibilities for the first landing attempt. the fact he succeeded when the computer threw him a couple curve balls and he was headed to a boulder strewn crater, that is why his superiors were counting on. >> reporter: you, again, being a former astronaut himself. does this reignite the fire in your belly? >> i never lost it. i don't think neil did either. we are just hoping that the

united states congress and president set ambitious goals. most important element is to achieve those goals. we can talk about going to mars some day but unless we take concrete steps back toward the moon, back toward the moon. therere is nearby as destroyed. those are essential stepping stones that neil has been advocating. we need to pull together and not just treat space exploration as a jobs program. no, it's a primer for the next generation of scientists and engineers. it primes the pump that keept us competitive. and that is position that armstrong has followed. >> as you said you never lost a fire. again, having your hero, your mentor and someone who is so important to our american history, what do you do now to renew your efforts for us to move forward in the future and to be that leading country that we were and have been for so many decades in the space race?

>> we remember that armstrong and colleagues landed on the moon only about seven or eight years after john f. kennedy set the goal. it was an all out cold war effort, crash program. we haven't treated the space program in that regard today. we don't an urgent need to race with anyone bushlgs we do need to set goals to ourselves that are challenging and get after those goals in the immediate future. we'll never get there if we are talking about two or three decades away. with armstrong's passing, it reminds us what the country once achieved in space. i think we need to challenge ourselves to show we still have those skills and the will to put a program of exploration together of science together and economic development in space. we need the resources in space to super charge our economy and

bring benefits that involves not only going back to moon where armstrong went in 1969, but setting goals beyond that to the nearby as stroits striodz. to points that will lead us directly to mars exploration one day. before we get to mars, we're going to set up factories in space to take advantage of resources to make money in space and pay for future voyages to mars. all of that technology is within our grasp and requires some investment. >> reporter: i do pleasure your time and insight. thank you very much. neil armstrong has died at the age of 82. first man to ever set foot on the moon. we'll get you back to john stossel. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly

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>>. >> john: i assume you are watching this show on television but maybe you are not. our show so hulu and the internet audience keeps growing and that makes me wonder if traditional television will be swallowed up by the internet. glenn beck used to have a show on fox news and since gone online. he calls it gbtv which i guess stands for glenn beck tv but may

stand for goodbye tv. i see the "wall street journal" wrote this article headlining glenn beck, leads a revolution against tv. are you trying to take my job? >> no. i believe in creative destruction. i believe we get stronger. kodak had a moment years ago where they said, you know, we're film. we're just going to do film. somebody else can do digital. you know how it ended. it took them two christmases to lose their lead. somebody is thinking of a better way to do it. technology is now moving so rapidly, i think the old delivery system of television is fundamentally transforming, to quote the president. may i show you an example. here on the set. if you come over here, this is

an original color camera, first color camera. it's from nbc. this is from 1954. there are only four of those left in the country. if you look at this television camera here, this i wanted to tell you how much that cost us, this is about an $80,000 camera. now with the canon, c-300 i can get movie quality and the total cost to equipment my studio with one camera would be about $20,000. everything is changing. you don't need a big company behind you anymore to give you the studios. >> the great example. record store doesn't existed anymore because of itunes but not just itunes, it's the record companies, guys who used to scout at the local bars and you had to hope your band had the on

night and they would remember you to sit down with the executives there. now you don't have to do any of that. you think of a song. you get your friends and record it at your house, videotape it make a music video for it and put it on youtube. in a week you could have a million views. why do i need record company or mtv. >> john: some people thought you have to do it for the money but forbes says leaving fox, 18 months after leaving you have doubled the revenue of your company? >> it has been an expensive venture. it also -- there are a lot of people out there that are looking for new ways to connect. you can connect with gbtv on the television set through a device, which i haven't watched cable.

you can get all the shows from fox even all the way to gbtv. you connected to the tv and you are watching the internet as if it is a network. so you watch it there. you can watch it on your i-pad or smart phone. that is where we're headed. i don't know anybody 30 years old or younger that is watching television on the box, on the console what we a use to have in our living rooms. >> your business model, people pay you up to $9.99 a month. which is more than a hundred dollars a year. yet you 6 more viewers than this program. i hate you for that. they are paying you. i'm free. what is the deal? >> john, i'm free. i'm free. as great and profound was the

industrial revolution, that is beginning of what we have right now. people, take the "new york times". they were sitting there with those printing presses. you don't need that anymore. so those people are trying to hold on as hard as they can, but the world is up for grabs right now. i'm going to try something different. those are the ones that will succeed. >> john: i certainly would not have predicted. i look at the cover internet shot you look like the pillsbury doughboy. and they are signing up. you will do more hours of tv each day. you already have a children's show? >> we have a children's show. we have a reality show, but not the hey, you pee'd in my food.

but it's something something three weeks coming called the oval. it's not just about me. i was the only one that didn't want to name the network gbtv, it's a place. >> it doesn't have to be about you. it can be government big totally vulgar or god bless tv. go back to virtue. your slogan is the truth lives here. i resent, i say the truth lives here, but i guess we can both have the truth. so thank you glenn beck. nice to visit with you again. beck has called himself a rodeo clown. that is appropriate since today polls show more americans than ever say they get their news from comedians. is that a bad thing if that is next. -who are these guys? -oh, that's just my buds. -bacon. -my taste buds. -[ taste buds ] donuts.

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>>. >> john: where do you get your news? more americans say they get their news from comedians like jon stewart, steven colbert and from people like greg gutfeld. he has been hosting "redeye" and now he is co-host of the five. i'm not sure what you to call you. you say you are not a comedian? >> i have too much comedians. they stand up in front of people and they endure slings and arrows from drunks. i am in a studio. i would never tell a joke if i knew it wasn't funny. >> john: but you are no on the fox news channel but not just making jokes about stuff but you are covering the news at the same time. why is that good? >> i think it's good, you shall

offering it in a different way. we get the news spoon fed to us the same shared assumptions from all the major networks. neat thing about fox it allows somebody like me that should not be allowed near a film camera. >> john: you are 3:00 in the morning. your ratings in the group of people often beat cnn in prime time? >> it's pretty hilarious. maybe it says more about what they do than what we do. think are boring and we're not. we're presenting news in a different way. we present news the way you would talk about it at a bar. when you are at a bar. you drink a bit. you say things that are on your mind that you normally wouldn't say that. is "redeye". in some cases, it's the five. this thing sucks that you wouldn't normally say. >> john: times magazine had an

online poll who is america's most trusted newscaster. brian williams then charlie gibson. katie couric but then at the top of the list, jon stewart 44%. >> right. >> john: that is online poll. but a rasmussen real poll said nearly a third of americans under the age of 40 primary sawyers of news are daily or steven col better. >> majority of them don't have an understanding of how the world works. what i find comical about the daily show, it's daring in the same way that college students are daring. he gets a nose ring.

that is a risk. daily show making fun of republicans they aren't speaking the truth to power. they are making out of it. they are constantly defending those in power. how is that rebellion. college students sees the rebellion because it mirrors the assumptions. academic professor's assumptions. i grew up around this. i went to berkeley then i worked in publishing. everybody thinks like john stewart in the media. >> john: everybody is conventional liberal. >> i say that his audience is a mirror that claps. >> john: and media get it wrong. what do you think the media get wrong? >> a lot of things. the thing that drives me nuts is selective outrage. somebody can get extremely upset about rush limbaugh and

overlooking ever single thing that hart said or olberman. i don't care about what people say. words don't hurt me. when people say outrage, like sandra not getting her free pills an untenable burden. an untenable burden is cancer. that is a burden. so it's not really that they are outraged or that they are unhappy. they are out to get a scalp. they just didn't want rush's apology they wanted his job. the left does this and right does it to the left. the right gets mad at bill maher. >> but people demonize the tea party movement. occupy wall street not so much. >> they have been doing it longer. the left have been doing it longer and better at it.

funny thing about the media, the media should have championed the tea party. these are people that have never left their living rooms to protest. this is the real deal. they don't throw chairs through windows because they own the windows. these are really good people that have never done anything. the media chooses to embrace seasoned professional activists. people who are activists for a living. that is what disgusted me. occupy wall street, these are the same people you see every day! there is nobody new out there. >> john: and then gitmo existed and gitmo disappear? >> i put this under the theory owe you owe. okay under obama. there are a lot of things. gitmo, selectively targeting american citizens for assassination. can you imagine if bush did it. i think obama has done a good

job going after terrorists but the left would not feel the same way if bush was doing it. >> john: thank you greg gutfeld. >> you are going to be on "redeye" very soon. >> we tape early. >>. >> john: the media do often get it wrong. when we return i wanted to talk about what we get right there. is good news. hello? the words are going this way-there's no way. oh, the lights came on. isn't technology supposed to make life easier? at chase we're pioneering innovations that make banking simple. deposit a check with a photo. pay someone with an email. and bank seamlessly with our award-winning mobile app. take a step forward... and chase what matters.

>>. >> john: i started my day with "new york times" and go into a rage of the bias they present as objectivity. then i look at other media. there is so much shallow coverage, endless reporting on a

pilot who freaked out for example, or car chase videos and another dramatic crime story. what does that have to do with most people's lives. not much. crime is down in america. planes almost never crash and flying is safer than driving. we have a rear problems. medicare and social security are unsustainable. government schools are lousy. that stuff matters, but it's less exciting. so it gets less coverage. still, i shouldn't complain too much because today's media is much better than it used to. when i started in broadcasting there were three major channels. so when walter cronkite ended, that is the way it is, you had to take his word for it. now, we 6 so much choice and a wider range of voices, liberal and conservative and a few libertarians.

people don't have to rely on gatekeepers. we can hear it firsthand when president obama says this to a russian leader. >> after the election there will be more reflection built. >> there is much more debate did about serious stuff. >> you threw it out in july and lot people bought stock and lost everything they had. oh, yes. >> don't give me any of that. we heard the words. >> john: you may not like the yelling but it's good there is more than that. the truth often emerges from confrontation. comedians give their spin. >> how did libertarian ron paul become the 13th floor in a hotel? >> it's good to hear these opinions. finally, there are enough charges i can say what i wanted the say. for 28 years at abc news, lawyers and producers combed through my scripts demanding i take this out or tone that down.

most of them were unfamiliar with free markets are hostile to them. most of what i wanted to say, as long as i softened this or that. but too many stories i thought were important were just not aired. your libertarian ideas are tiresome, we don't want to air. that in fact they let me speak. many disagree with some of my ideas but the big difference here is that differences are respected. they believe these ideas should be heard. if i get into a political argument like my fights with sean hannity about drug legalization people arguing with me understand they have a political position, too. at cbs and abc they acted like the person in the political views was me. the truth is everyone has biases. i wish more reporters were honest about that. at least today in the media we

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