>> sean: that is all the time we have left this evening. as averages thank you for being with us. let not your heart be troubled. the news continues. greta van susteren standing by to go "on the record." we'll see you tomorrow night. thanks for being with us. >> greta: tonight grizzly attacks and constant interruptions. president obama and mitt romney got the voters' attentions, but did they get their votes. >> mitt romney had a fantastic first debate. he laid outs a vision for the country. what we saw was we were able to cut through the clutter of all these 30-second attack ads and we saw a leader. last night, the same thing. >> president obama must have drunk the red bull i sent him, because he was on it last night! >> the fact that he showed up with a pit bullwith a pulse to e seems to be a career highlight given the last four years. >> the president did not say the next day that the attack in banghazi was an attack of

terror. in fact, mitt romney was right. it did take him two weeks to do that. to be clear, he was in the rose garden, and he talked about acts of terror. he's talking about what's happening in banghazi. >> it's clear that's what he's labeling it. >> president obama needed as decisive a victory last nights she kept feeding obama lines, kept prompting him. you democrats, he couldn't have assistance. >> so let's recap what we learned last night. the tax plan doesn't add up.

his jobs plan doesn't create jobs. his deficit reduction plan adds to the deficit. so, you know, everybody's heard it's a new deal. you've heard of the fair deal. you've heard of the square deal. mitt romney's time to sell you a sketchy deal. >> when mitt romney and paul ryan say they're going to put this country back to work, this is an urgent call, not one for which we can wait another four years. >> i think it's interesting that the president still doesn't have an agenda for a second term. don't you think that it's time for him to finally put together a vision of what he'd do in the next four years if he were elected? i mean, he's got to come up with that over this weekend, because there's only one debate left on monday. >> greta: 67.2 million viewers glued to the first presidential debate. last night debate number two down a tad about it.

but a lot of chances to win votes. former new hampshire governor june sununu and strong supporter of governor romney watched the debate and he's here. governor romney, governor. >> good evening, greta. how are you? >> greta: i'm very well. how that you've had time to digest the debate, think about it, tell me what you think. >> your warm-up act, sean hannity had a package there which i think highlighted the best part of the debate, where mitt romney laid out the failures of the past administration and really his agenda and plan for the future. i think to be consistent with one of the pieces you had in your package, he did a good job of showing that the last four years of obama was raw deal. i think it lays the foundation for the campaign over the next three weeks. >> greta: what do you make of the fact that some of the snap polls have shown that president obama did better, not demonstrably so, but nonetheless did better than governor romney? >> well, look, he needed to do

something. i think the democrats were all excited because a little bit more than an empty suit showed up this time. and on the issues, there was, in my opinion, a huge difference. now the very fact that obama exceeded expectations by doing something well i think is probably what affected a lot of those numbers, but most importantly in all of those polls, when the question was, who can fix economy best, in some of those polls mitt romney still won 2-1. so that's the issue of this campaign and that's the issue that i think was so important as i said for governor romney to communicate on. >> greta: you mentioned the economy. i think that come next week, for the foreign policy debate, i think the economy is going do be front and center for governor romney, because there's really not much we can do in the world unless we can afford it's, unless we can pay for things, whether we can help people,

whether we have authority, constantly knocking on the door looking like international hobos, makes country look weak. i think the economy be front and center nextx$]?5yyoo+÷ >> greta, you're absolutely right. ronald reagan used to say peace through strength. you can't be strong without a strong economy. the worst thing this president has done is created a reduction strength and the military strength and will of this united states can and with that loss of respect, what we have now is a more unstable and a more dangerous world as a result of this president's failure. >> greta: all right. no question about it, he reminds everybody of it all the time, which he's entitled to do so, because it was bad. do you deny that he's -- i mean, what has he not accomplished in light of the fact that he got -- you know, he walked into office day one with a terrible economy? >> look, ronald reagan picked up a horrible economy, probably

even worse in some rests than rs than president obama did, and within two years it was turning around. in the last two years of his first term ronald reagan created 15 million jobs. and president obama's bragging about his 5 million jobs, which barely makes up -- in fact, doesn't make up for what he loves thlostthe first two yearsy makes up for population growth. this president really that there was talk about thing, but has failed to do anything. didn't send his immigration plan when he controlled congress. never sent a budget down that got a single vote from democrats. the democrats don't understand how little leadership there's been. he got 414-0, he lost on his budget in the house. 97-0 in the senate. he couldn't even get a single democrat to follow his grand leadership on his budget. this guy's been a disgrace, and

what mitt romney has been doing is pointing it out quite clearly and laying outs an agenda to fix things in future. >> greta: you were chief of staff, as we all know, to a president. >> right. >> greta: the president spent the early part of his presidency working on healthcare and getting it passed, whether you like it or not like it. i'm curious, can these administrations not work on two main pieces of legislation at a time? i mean, he did promise immigration. he had a democratic house and a democratic senate. so why didn't he try to move that through simultaneously? what would be the reason not? >> because he can't chew gum and walk at the same time. look, i worked for a great president, george herbert walker bush. we put together a five-year budget plan, we did a clean air act, we did an americans with disabilities act, a civil rights bill, a crime reform bill. i mean, we had about 12 major pieces of legislation that were passed in that one term. this president's done nothing except outsource healthcare to

pelosi and reid. he didn't even lead on that. he has passed nothing else. >> greta: i guess i have been curious why he didn't take more advantage of having the relatively little opposition. some opposition within his own party, but early on, on the issue of immigration, i never understood why that one didn't get more force behind it. >> he doesn't like to take a political risk. that's why he hasn't sent a real budgets down. now they're campaigning on trying to tear mitt romney down, talk about women's issues. there are three major women's issues that will help decide this election. the first one is when the soccer moms pull up to the gas pump and put 14 or 15 gallons of gas in it and have to pay $60. the second one is when the lady of the house goes to the checkout counter at the supermarkets, thinking she owes $50s, and the bill is $75, because the value of the dollar has gone down, and the third one

is in october or november, about this time, and they look around, the daughter or son that came in last june after graduating for a couple weeks until they found a job, they find out they still haven't found a job, and they've been in the house for five months, and they're still looking for work. those are the three women's issues that are going to make a difference in this election. >> greta: governor, thank you. always nice to see you, sir. >> thank you. >> greta: and tonight, there is big news from the key swing states, great state of wisconsin. president obama, as you may recall, carried wisconsin by 14 points in 2008. and now four years later, a new poll showing governor romney is tied with president obama. according to the marquette law school poll, president obama is now at 49% and governor romney at 48% among likely voters. now that is well within the 3.4% margin of error. even bigger news, that's a big change from even last month when president obama had an 11-point lead. fox news senior political analyst brit hume joins us.

a lot of polls come and go, but that one seems to be going in one direction. >> it's a piece of other polls we're seeing from the upper midwestern states. president obama has lost ground to mitt romney in ohio, in pennsylvania, although he remains ahead there, slightly ahead in ohio as well. so you're seeing this post-debate, post-first presidential debate phenomenon continue into this poll. this poll was taken before last night's debate, so we don't the effect it will have. it was also notable in this poll, the results it found, the impressions these voters had of the two vice presidential candidates. now granted, paul ryan's a home boy, as you well know from your home state of wisconsin, so you can expect him to have a lot of people on his side out there. but vice president biden's favorable ratings with these people plunged a bit after that debate performance. if that's replicated in other places around the midwest, that means that -- for political

purposes the republican ticket has two wins going into last night's debate. >> greta: looking at the political landscape, all the trends and polls, what is leaning -- what is a good sign or a good trend for president obama when you look at either the polls osar even how you look at the map? >> well, last couple of weeks there hasn't been much in the way of good trends for him, but he's holding on. now look, this president is running for re-election saddled where a record of his failed to do a number of things he said he would do. the level of unemployment is higher than he said it would be. he promised to cut the deficit in half and so on. these are heavy burneddens. it's been a surprise to me at%jç least that an incumbent with these burdens isiyw3ç)=?>t(ç/e is in the polls. he's still in the thick of this and may very well win it. the trend in the last couple of weeks is very well against him. i thought about this lots, because i found it puzzling. it is always hard for a challenger to overcome one

thing, and that is when someone is president, president for a while, it gets hard to think of somebody else as president, and these debates inevitably have that effect. i thought at first that having, what, four of them, counting the vice presidential debates, might not be good for the challenger. i've changed my mind about that. i think fact he's had the opportunity to stand on the same stage, shoulder-to-shoulder with the president, engage with him the way he has helped mitt romney immeasurably regardless of who won the different skirmishes on different issues. he simply seems do be on equal footing. that makes it easier for people to say, well, i could see him as president. i don't like the results of the last four years. >> greta: it's interesting, the one thing we can't measure right now, is the ground game. we don't know what these two campaigns have on the ground to get people out to vote. >> we don't know yet. my guess is the two parties will

do the best jobs they've ever done. this happened in '04, another race that was very close, came down to ground game, and the republican ground game proved chiefly in the state of ohio, which was decisive, even though the democrats did best they had ever done in the state of ohio. it's hard to measure beforehand. obviously we won't find out until election night. >> greta: thank you. >> you bet. >> greta: the controversy over libya leading to fireworks at last night's debate. since the day after this year's september 11th attack, the obama administration has been dishing out different versions of what happened. s here's a look at their ever-change stories. >> no act of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation. >> what we're seeing on social media, what we're seeing in some of the local commentary is largely related to this reprehensible video. >> we've seen rage and violence directed at american embassies over an awful internet video

that we had nothing to do with this. >> this was not a preplanned, pre meditated attack. >> it is extremely offensive video directed at muhammad and islam. extremists and terrorists use this as an excuse to attack a variety of our embassies, including the consulate in libya. >> they were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy. >> what happened in banghazi was a terrorist attack. >> we're still doing an investigation. there's no doubt that the kind of weapons that were used, the ongoing assault, that it wasn't just a mob action. >> it was a group of terrorists obviously conducted that attack. >> greta: now as president obama changes his tune again? for weeks the president's been saying al-qaeda is on run and on its heels, but today, and everyone listening forking this, the president specifically removed those words from his campaign speech. senator lindsey graham is

demanding answers from the president and joins. nice to see you, senator. >> thank you. i'm from wisconsin, believe it or not,. >> greta: oh, the great state of wisconsin. >> people love you out here. >> greta: you wrote a letter on a couple days ago to the president, and you identified two prior incidents that the consulate in banghazi, one in april and one in june. the one in june blowing a big enough hole in the perimeter, that 40 people could march through, and you asked the president did you consider these serious events. why did you ask that? >> well, to be fair to the president, i don't expect that the request for 12 additional security personnel would go to president. that does go through the state department. i don't expect him to know the request, to keep 16 utah national guardsmen in libya for security. but i do expect him to know that banghazi was deteriorating over time, that our consulate was

attacked twice. i can't imagine any white house -- and andy card addressed this directly -- if the consulate in banghazi is attacked within 60 days day with a hole big enough for 40 people to go through it, i would expect the president to know, to be informed that the british consulate was closed after the british ambassador was attacked by rocket-propellerpgs, and thes closed, and al-qaeda was on the rise. here's what lieutenant colonel said. he said we were the last flag flying in banghazi. it was almost inevitable the consulate could be attacked. everybody else had left. the reason they denied the extra security is because the state department wanted to normalize relationships in libya. at the time we were concentrating on normalizing relationships and turning this over to the libyan government that really didn't exist. everybody else was leaving. i hold the president accountable for that.

i want to know, mr. president, where you doing your job? were you following the deteriorating situation in banghazi? did you know that the libyan consulate in banghazi, the last flag standing, was a death trap for americans? if you didn't, why? >> greta: two questions. i mean, what is your theory as to whether or not he knew? or if he didn't know, why he didn't know. that's he my first question. two parts. >> right. >> greta: the second is, what in the world is with this video story, that there was a protest? > >> right. >> greta: have they been pushing that since the 11th of september, now backing down reasonable? >> it's a riot based on a video they have a lot less blame. i'd be the first to say, if this was a mob generated by video that's a different national security threat, harder to plan for. so they wanted us to believe that. the video had nothing to do with this, because there was never a mob.

it's pretty hard to have a riot by a mob that never existed. the video of the compound, the consulate showed that there wasn't a soul around the consulate before the attack. but they wanted us to believe, and they thought the media wouldn't check, that the clock would run out, there's only a few weeks till the election, congress was out of session, so they were trying to spin a version that would make them less culpable. if the truth came out -- if the truth came out -- >> greta: you say spin. frankly, as hard as i listen, spin is you take a little truth, add a little bit to it, make it look better. but this action, from the way you laid it out, looks like they were hiding it, didn't want the american people to know, and that's vastly different. >> it is. the best you could say is they took one piece of intelligence and spun it and denied the obvious. but the most likely scenario is that they constructed a scenario where they would be left culpable, because if the truth came out that the banghazi

consulate had been attacked in april and june previously, and that the british had to believe banghazi and the red cross was driven out, then that's a different story. it's a story about al-qaeda coming back, libya going south, and it destroys the narrative that by killing bin laden al-qaeda has been dismantled. it also destroys the narrative you can lead from behind in libya and everything is fine. i hold the president personally accountable for knowing the security situation in the world. if you're listening, mr. president, iraq is falling apart. if no one else is telling you this, i'm telling you this. since we left iraq, there's been a doubling of al-qaeda in iraq. there are training camps in western iraq, that the kurdish president hasn't spoken to prime minister maliki in a year, the political process is broken and security is deteriorating. >> greta: senator, i got to run. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> greta: straight ahead, you will meet the voter who got to ask president obama about libya.

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>> greta: it was the burning question of the debate. the question about libya. >> we were sitting around, talking about libya, and we were reading and became aware of reports that the state department refused extra security for our embassy in banghazi, libya, prior to the attacks that killed four americans. who was it that denied enhanced security and why? >> when i say that we are going to find out exactly what happened, everybody will be held accountable, and i am ultimately responsible for what's taking place there, because these are my folks, and i'm the one who has to greet those coffins when they come home, you know that i mean what i say. >> greta: that's all the explanation most of us got from president obama, but after the debate the president spoke privately withker arery lodka. did he eventually get the answers he was looking for?

good evening. >> good evening, greta. >> greta: you never got the answer, you got a big run-around answer, but he came up to you afterwards. what was your conversation with him? >> he tried to explain that the reason he took so long between that initial announcement in the rose garden and the about two weeks later when he formally announced it's as an act of terrorism, that he wanted to be deliberate, that he did not want to make a mistake based on misinformation, he wanted accurate and true information, because any action he took in any part of the world, including the middle east, would have dire consequences. so he really wanted to be deliberate and careful before he decided to take any course of action. >> greta: did he say the fact that he kept putting out there, and also ambassador rice spoke on the sunday morning shows, that they actually put out a theory that if he didn't want to make a mistake, he shouldn't be putting out the theory about the video and protest because that didn't happen? >> he didn't mention that to me,

greta. i've heard those stories. i think you're absolutely right. that story should not have surfaced. i think everyone knew it was a terrorist attack right from the beginning. but he did not mention that to me during our private conversation. >> greta: did he give any indication -- i mean, you know, it's so curious, you know, frankly, we can't figure it out, because we can't figure out is everyone thought it was terrorism, and then the white house goes with the protest and the video. >> right. >> greta: ambassador rice goes with that on the tv shows. >> right. >> greta: president obama continues to do that two desolaters on "david letterman." at the u.n. on the 25th of september he was talking about videos, not connecting it to the actually consulate bombing, but if they didn't want to make a mistake is there any sort of theory why he was putting that out? >> i can only speculate that it was to give himself time to try to uncover the information he needed to uncover to find out who actually was responsible for these terrorist killings.

other than that, i really have no real reason as to why that story circulated for so long. obviously it was not true. >> greta: after you had your private conversation with him, did you feel better about him as being the leader or not as good or the same? >> i felt -- i felt better about him when he took personal responsibility for obviously the state department's mistake in not providing the embassy in banghazi with enhanced security, because the secretary of state, hillary clinton, did take responsibility, and he said, no, i'm not the president, it's my responsibility, but i still feel it was a huge mistake by the state department, and ultimately the president that caused the deaths of four innocent american citizens. >> greta: is it powerful enough in your mind that it has an impact on your vote? >> my vote is hinging on the

president's propensity for positive social change. i like his obamacare idea. i don't want to see any cuts in social security or medicare or medicaid. i don't want to see them turned into a voucher system. i don't want to see planned parenthood cut or anything else. on the other hand, the governor, governor romney, has a very strong record of successful business practices in the course of his career. as one old president said, the business of america is really business. so for me it's a toss-up between obama's social stances and governor romney's business expertise. >> greta: you've got only about 2 1/2 weeks to come up to a decision. i'm cook, i mean, in light of that, is there -- you know, what will sort of push you in either direction? are you waiting for the next debate, which will be foreign policy, and will that any impact? i mean, you're running out of time. the clock's running.

>> i think that it may be the foreign policy debate. i'm guessing that as soon as i walk into the voting booths, i'll probably make up my mind then. >> greta: after the debate, did you move in either direction or were you locked in the same place you were before it started? >> no, i was locked in the same place before i started. i thought romney made good points about business and his business expertise. i thought the president made a lot of good points about his protection of social security, medicaid, medicare, and obamacare as well. i do think we need a national healthcare program in this country. so for me it's still really 50/50, greta. i wish i could tell you i was leaning one way or the other. >> greta: i'm curious, after next week, after the foreign policy, if you inch in either direction. maybe we'll have you back and see if it's had an impacts. i trust you'll watch, right? >> i will. can i take a moment to thank my boss for allowing me to take off to attend the town hall. it was a great experience. without isaac at global telecom

supply i never would have been able to attend. >> greta: you gave them credit for your question last night in rewriting the transcript. that you are getting a lot of credit. >> isaac is part of our brain trust. phil, justin, isaac, christ, myselisaac, christian,myself an. i wanted to thank him publicly. thank you for giving me the time. >> greta: very well. thank you. >> thank you, greta. >> greta: coming up, the tea party turning up the heat in the swing states. wait till you see what they could be sending you. it is an unusual tactic, but will it work? that's next. [ male announcer ] how do you make 70,000 trades a second... ♪

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>> greta: this election is now all about the undecided voters, and the tea party knows it. that is why the tea party patriots are mailing 350,000 dvds to undecided voters in key swing states. so on the dvds? the group says it's a documentary highlighting the worst parts of obamacare. here's a short clip. >> our freedom depends on it. >> respect the constitution. >> this movement started because the government is out of control. >> this is the largest tax increase in the history of this country. >> if they can commandeer part of your paycheck, they can

commandeer all of your paycheck. if they do that, freedom is done in this country. >> the tea party's national coordinator joins us. nice to see you. >> thanks to for having me. >> greta: the video started with something shocking, thes oregon situation, a woman with cancer rejected chemotherapy as being too expensive, but she could have comfort care, that was assed suicide. that's how this video starts. what are you hoping to achieve with this video? >> we want to remind people why we have opposed the government takeover of healthcare, the entire time that this law has been pushed through congress and then upheld by supreme court. we want to remind them why over 50% of americans think law should be repealed and to explain to them, not just the policy and the political aspect of why we think it's a problem, but approach it from the

physician/patient aspect and philosophical aspect. >> greta: certainly is provocative. i don't know if there's more behind why she was denied cancer but starts off in a provocative fashion. you're sending 350,000 of these dvds to undecided. how did you identify or get this bank of undecided voters? >> we went to a vendor who has data, and we just told him we don't want the people who always vote republican, we don't want the people who always vote democrat, we want people who are still undecided. we're mailing it into six states, not just the film, but a u.s. constitution in the packet, using a quote from president where he says this election is a choice between two futures for america. we group agree with more on president on that. we want a future where the constitution stands and where we have personal freedom. >> greta: who are the tea party patriots?

is it's a distinct organization? is it part of -- the tea party is sort of a broad name for a lot of people. >> right. there are a lot of groups -- a lot of national groups and local groups. we all want the same thing. it's core responsibility, constitutionally limited government and free markets. 'ççi] 3500 voluntarily lowly groups from around the country, and they dictate the actions we take on. >> greta: certainly is grassroots. i mean, 350,000 dvds going out to the undecides in the swing states. we'll see what happens, how persuasive or convincing they are or are not. jane beth, thank you. >> thank you, greta. >> greta: up, does slow or steady win the race? which candidate is going to like the results. our political panel is here to talk about it. that's next. in two minutes, first lady michelle obama is caught

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the company in massachusetts. i'm anita vogel. now let's go back to greta and "on the record. a for all your latest headlines, log on to foxnews.com. >> greta: some good news for governor romney. a new national poll shows another increase in his lead. according to the latest gallup day tracking poll, governor romney now leading the president 51% to 45%. this is the third day governor romney has seen a slight increase. joining us, our political panel, rick klein, john mccormick, and byron york. rick, sort of good news for the -- i mean, the trending in the right way for governor romney. >> yeah. the trend has been consistent in the last couple weeks, in battleground states as well as national polls, mitt romney making serious inroads, really for the first time in thes general election, pulling ahead consistently in national polls, tightening things in battleground states. it's been unadulterated good news for him in the polls over

the last 10 days or so. will that be maintained after the debate last night where everybody thought obama did better than last time. the question who won the debate is up in the air. does it's continue then? it's still a stubborn electoral map when you come down to it for mitt romney. even if you can grants him, he'll be strong in the popular vote, the national poll numbers. those states all went for obama last time around. he's still fighting on enemy terror iterritory in all these . >> greta: john, you're from wisconsin. in 2008, president obama won it by 14 points. in september, president obama was up 11 points. now is a statistical tie according to marquette law school's poll. >> it is. it's tightening up. that's exactly what happened in 2000 and 2004. this state came down to less than one percentage point. i think if we're looking at a close national election this year, more along the lines of 2004, 2000, i think this could come down to the wire. i think that the romney campaign may want to consider really

deploying resources there. they haven't spent too much money. they could unleash paul ryan. he's great in at all format. could do two or three town halls a day, criss-cross across the state. >> this gallup poll looks too big to me, the six-point lead. if you look at the real clear politics poll, there's no poll that has it bigger than three for romney. some are tied and maybe obama by one. a six-point lead still seems big. >> greta: it's interesting, but you have to still go down to the state-by-state and do the electoral college numbers. so you can go ahead, he could win by 20, still not going to make a difference if he can't win the electoral college. >> wisconsin is huge, because if romney wins wisconsin, that means he's probably doing well in lots of other places that he to absolutely -- >> greta: pennsylvania? >> pennsylvania is fool's gold for republicans. they always think they have a chance, looks like it's possible, they pour money into, a and it's doesn't happen.

i would be extremely surprised to see republicans win pennsylvania. >> i'm with byron on that. one poll came out this week that had only a four-point gap there, with governor romney spending one campaign day there, not spending any money there. i think it's a mistake if they were to try to chase those electoral votes. it's throwing good money after no money at all. it's symptomatic of what's happening nationwide. for mitt romney, you have to be careful about opening up the lead now because it will get tighter. no way this will end up as a 21e51-45 race at the end. the national story will be the obama surge after the romney surge of last two weeks. >> greta: we'll take a quick break. straight ahead, the latino vote. president obama and mitt romney both need it. how did they do on the topic of immigration last night? that's next. humans -- even when we cross our t's and dot our i's,

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>> we're going to have to stop illegal immigration. there are 4 million people who are waiting in line to get here legally. those who have come here illegally take their place. i will not grant amnesty to those who come here illegally. >> the first thing we did was to streamline the legal immigration system, to reduce the backlog, make it simpler, easier and cheaper for people who are waiting in line, obeying the law to make sure they can come here

>> greta: the candidates forced to confront that political hot potato. illegal immigration. both want the latino vote, but that has other political cost. back with our political panel. john, what's the story on the illegal immigration, the political ramifications? >> i think it's an important issue. it's obviously too late for any candidate to really move differently. what's there is already baked into the cake. the president chose not to move on this issue. spent his political capital on obamacare right away. i'm not sure it's the reason why mitt romney is doing so poorly with latino voters. john mccain only won 31% of latino voters. a pew poll just this year show latino voters prefer bigger government to smaller government. that could be the reason, they're more in line with president obama. >> greta: byron? >> it's a two-fer for president obama, trying to appeal to hispanic voters, trying to make romney feel uncomfortable, because romney had to take hard-line positions. remember his debates with rick

perry back in the primaries where romney was tougher on immigration than perry was? i think the issue is that i think some of romney's positions are closer to where public opinion is right now, especially about e-verify, making sure that people are here legally before they can have a job. so i'm not sure how -- certainly with republicans, this is much better for romney to be where he is. >> greta: do you have the sense that the republicans have sort of given up on the latino votes, not going after it right now? >> i think if they give up they're giving up on the election. >> greta: are they actively going after it? >> yeah, but not in the way of mainstream advertising. i think the obama team is doing the same thing. they have complicated bank shot reasons for not going after it in a mainstream setting that much. if you saw the univision forum a couple weeks ago where president obama got a more hostile

reception than mitt romney talk being that broken promise around immigration reform, see the complicating factors in this. as byhe doesn't want to bring up self-deportation. it complicates the way they bring this up. ultimately for most settings that we're exposed to, in a broad way, it's just not something they want to talk about. >> greta: gentlemen, thank you. >> thank you. >> greta: coming up, your last call. move over angelina, brad pitt just got a leading lady. see who the mystery woman is next. ♪ well, he's not very handsome ♪ to look at [ sighs ] ♪ oh, he's shaggy ♪ and he eats like a hog [ male announcer ] the volkswagen jetta. available with advanced keyless technology. control everything from your pocket, purse, or wherever. that's the power of german engineering. ♪ that dirt old egg-suckin' dog ♪

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