2012. heii'm harris faulkner. thanks for watching. we're on the eve of the final presidential debate. tomorrow night the coverage starts. huckabee, give me two seconds. have a good week. tonight on huckabee, the day after the attack, governor, i stood in the rose garden and i told the american people that this was an act of terror. >> the tale of the tape tells a different story. >> this is in response to a video. >> this was not a preplanned, premeditated attack. >> over an awful, internet video. >> the outrage over the video. >> now documents show ambassador christopher stephens worried about al-qaeda and repeatedly asking for more security before the attack that killed him. dana perino on how it all shapes the final debate. and most things i need for every day living are very expensive. >> sky high prices taking a toll on americans. what kind of impact will inplagues have oinflation have .

plus, joe is at it again. >> how many of you know someone who served in iraq or iran. >> the governor's take on another biden blunderer. ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. [ cheers and applause ] >> huckabee: we've got a great enthusiastic audience. so happy to have them and you. welcome to the fox studios in new york city. maybe the most interesting moment in last week's presidential debate was when the president claimed that he had labeled the attack on benghazi as a terrorist attack the day after in a rose garden comment. then romney widely challenged such a thing, but he was whip sawed by moderator candy crowley who rushed to offer asylum to the president by interrupting governor romney and saying that president obama had indeed labeled the benghazi attack as a

result of terrorism. now, he did mention acts of terror, but most certainly he didhe not attribute the assaultn libya to such a thing. >> no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. >> huckabee: for another two and a half weeks, he continued to blame the murder of our ambassador on a cheap youtube video. don't believe for a minute that his rose garden comments were intended to identify the benghazi attack as the work of terrorists. let's just suppose for a moment that he did intend it, and he said it. if that's what he believed on september 12th, then why, why would he and his administration speak repeatedly about that little video and with such authority and certainty? the only thing that is more difficult than accurately predicting the future is when you try to rewrite history. and sworn testimony in congress confirmed that this was no spontaneous uprising, no.

it was a carefully rehearsed and orchestrated terrorist attack by trained and rehearsed goon squads, but the reluctance of the obama administration to recognize terrorism as terrorism is a pattern because only in obamaland was the fort hood workplace incident despite the fact that the shooter shouted jihaddist slogans even as he pulled the trigger. he had long standing correspondence with known facilitators of islamic terror, and whose targeted violence on a military post wleas anything but random. and to this day the obama administration has refused to acknowledge what the actual shooter in the little rock sass nailings of a -- assassination of a young soldier himself declared and that is that he carried out that shooting as an act of jihad. governor romney need not get sucked into the vortex of a word game as to the meaning of a single ut rans o utterance on ay over a single incident. the question which the president has yet to answer, largely

because nobody has bluntly posed it to him, is this. do you believe that america and americans are threatened by an ongoing radical islamic jihad that is at its heart irrational and intentional? the fact is, islamic extremism is not just some obscure religion that's veered off the main track to incorporate some more e es e eflt esoteric faith. this is justifies shooting a 14-year-old girl in pakistan because she wanted an education or somehow thinks that strapping a child to your ow bomb to yours fine. i don't think expect a president to single handedly stop the savagery and sickness of this religious per version. i just would like to have a president who could for once at

least be honest as to what we're really up against. that's my view. i appreciate giving me the opportunity to share it with you.ha [applause] with a third and final presidential debate on monday focusing on foreign policy, will mitt romney let the president get away with dancing around the subject of terrorism again? joining me is former white house press secretary under president george w. bush and the co-host of the five, dan dana perino. [ cheers and applause ] >> huckabee: you understand better than anyone i could bring on i the show how the white houe crafts its message and it goes out and says what it says. that was you your job in the buh administration. do you think thehe obama administration crafted a strategy of deliberately misleading the american public as to what happened in benghazi?

>> dana: i actually don't. i think w they stumbled upon ths problem. i do not think that anyone intentionally went out and lied to the american people. i do think that we have -- that maybe they got caught up in it and they continued to use the excuse of the video even when if you look at the statements from the dni on the 28th or the susan rice comments from the white house press secretary's office, from the state department's press secretary office and you have the anonymous sources plus the congressional testimony of people who were actually in charge. all ofim their statements, if yu take them all together, they don't add up, and i don't think that they intentionally lied, but certainly somebody was not talking to somebody else, and the question about whether or not al-qaeda was involved in some way is a very important one that you raise in your monologue because al-qaeda evolve evolvesd changes. we have to keep up with it. the american taxpayers have invested tens of billions of dollars to make sure our intelligence gathering was

better than it was before 9/11, and we deserve to know what happened here and what are they going to try to fix it going forward? >> huckabee: if they did not intentionally mislead from the beginning, accept that at its face value, there has to be some point at which they knew that this was not a video and congressional testimony, sworn testimony now confirms that. was there a point at which they simply ignored what they had to know was the truth and hoped nobody would ever really catch on? >> dana: it appears so, and i think that they hoped that the media would just stop asking questions about it. the problem is that information keeps coming out as it rightly should. let's just say this didn't happen five weeks before an election. that aside. set aside the election. voters, american citizens, people around the world, our allies working with us to prevent terror, we all deserve to know what happened. the press secretary's role is also very important. when you're in the meeting getting ready to talk about what's coming next, it's to raise your hand to say that doesn't sound right, and even if

this ambassador and three other americans whor were killed, are we really going to blame a video? because free speech is what we're founded on. this is an amazing thing, governor. our governmentzi has done more r law enforcement against the guy who made the video. they arrested him on a probation violation than they have against any terrorist in libya who is thumbing his nose at the new york times sitting pool side in libya saying he was a part of the attack. we in america have done more against a video maker who was blamed for the deaths of these four americans. that wasn't the case. i think the entire administration has some answering to do on that part in particular. >> huckabee: if not utterly dishonest, then would one have to conclude it was an utterly incompetent response? >> dana: maybe. it could be a bit of both. you could have a difference between what is known on the ground by intelligence sources and back here at headquarters at

langley. very important pieceu today by stephen hayes in the weekly standard where he talks about the original talking points that went to capitol hill. originally it was written in that it was al-qaeda-related. when those talking points get to hill, calculat al-qaeda related is taking out. why? who took it out? >> huckabee: that's an important question that nobody really raised, much less answered, but somewhere along the way talking points are crafted within an administration, shared with state, shared with the intelligence community, the white house. the white house has to give final authority, so this was not that susan rice went out there and just spoke off the cuff. she had to have been handed the question. who gave her those talking points? who gave hillary clinton her talking points? who gave jay carney his talking points? >> dana: who told her that he did it of his own volition. the director of national intelligence, who told him to take theo fall for it. three weeks later, the reason they have such a problem is three weeks later secretary

clinton is taking responsibility for it but they're not answering the key questions. i think american taxpayers because we have paid to improve our system, we have not -- if we're not getting the return on investment, we need to know now. then in a bigger election context, this probably does play into some people's minds an unease about the obama administration that might have been on the fence. this might push them into the romney camp. >> huckabee: ambassador stephen not once but on several occasions including date he died begged for more security and told them that the security was horribly lacking. doesn't that factor into the damage that was done? >> dana: what he was mostly worried about was what you talked about in your monologue, religious extremists intending to killl innocent people, including people working at the red cross. they were attacked with impugnity at the red cross. he said not just on the day that he died, but in the days leading up to it, james rosen, fox's state department correspondent,

got the actual cable that was sent from libya to the state department. now, i don't know where they went from there, and i'm not trying to make it political. i'm think we should one, first of all, we have to get justice for what happened to our people there. we have tope figure out what wet wrong so that we can prevent it from happeningro again, and the american people deserve answers as to why there are so many different stories from september 12th when president obama left after that rose garden statement. went, to vegashe for a fundraiser. that was the biggest strategic mistake of the campaign. as commande commander-in-chief,d have stayed behind and gotten a handle on it. he might not be in the fix he is now. >> huckabee: thank you for your perspective. you have a very unique perspective and virtually none he reporters who are talking about have been. thanks for being here. >> dana: thanks. >> huckabee: let me remind you that danas and the five will hae a special sunday night show. they'll be looking ahead to the finalal debate. don't miss the five this sunday

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>> huckabee: during tuesday's town hall style presidential debate, one of the members of the audience had a question fore the presence about the rising cost of living. >> mr. president, i volunteerd for you o in 2008 -- i voted for you in 2008. what have done or accomplished to earn my vote in 2012? i'm not that optimistic as i was in 2012. most things i need for every day living are very expensive.

>> no kidding. >> huckabee: he's not the only one because according to a fox news poll, 41% of americans say that rising prices are the biggest economic problem that they face. theyre say that more than unemployment, taxes, even housing prices. joining me now is the author of the book "the real crash". peter schiff. peter, thank you for joining me today. good to have you back. >> great to be back. >> huckabee: peter, how did at e get to the high gas prices obama says has caused th because the s doing so well. that seems also as absurd as anything i've heard in the entire campaign. why do we have high gas prices? >> first of all, i wish the president had actually answered that gentleman's question. he completely ignored that element of it, but you know, in that poll more than twice as many people were worried about inflation as all other federal taxes combined, but the truth is inflation isco a tax. the government right now is spending more than a trillion dollars every year that it collects in taxes. it gets that extra money from

the federal reserve. the federal reserve creates money out of thinat air, loans t to the government by buying bonds. the government then spends that newly created money into the economy, and that's what drives up prices, to the high cost of gasoline, the high cost of food is just another federal tax. so when the president is saying he's not raising taxes on the poor or the middle class, he's not telling the truth because inflation hits the poor and the middle class the hardest. >> huckabee: how much is the president, any president, to blame for the prices that we pay for gasoline, fuel, whea whatevt be? >> well, i think the federal reserve probably bears more of the responsibility, but you can't let the president or congress off the hook because they are spending all the money. the reason the federal reserve is buying all these bonds is because the government is running this huge deficit. if the government was paying for all of its spending with other forms of taxes, then they wouldn't have to create inflation. when the federal reserve prints money, it diminishes the value

of that money because there's more of it, and prices respond by going up. he is very much partially to blame. hiucs policies driving this spending, driving these deficits, that's why the fed is cranking up theat presses, and u know what? prices are going to get a lot higher, especially when the dollar starts to fall on foreign exchange markets because we've been catching a break because a lot of foreign central banks have been buying up all these dollars and keeping them from bidding up domestic prices. eventually all that money is coming back, and if people think food and gas prices are high now,nd wait another year or two. they'll be much, much higher. >> huckabee: cost of t living, particularly for senior adults, is going to be a huge issue. tell us how inflation affects our seniors, whether it's in the cost of living increase of their social security or just in their investments. >> well, first of all, the government isn't being honest about inflation. according to the f government, annual inflation is only about one and a half percent a year.

now, that's not possible. how could 41% of the people polled by fox news be so concerned about inflation if the government is right and prices aren't even going up? i think prices are rising much faster than the government admits, and so the social security increases, these colas, don't nearly keep pace with inflation. the federal reserve has got interest rates at zero. if you've got money in the bank, not only are you getting nothing in the way of a return, but your money is losing value because prices are going up, so this is a huge tax on seniors, on people living on fixed in connection, and it hurts the most, people who rely on those sources of income to buy the things that they need because these basic necessities, the basic goods, food and energy, are the most sensitive to inflation. very, very rich people don't spend as much of their income on food and energy, but certainly poor people and the middle class spend a higher percentage. it's not just food and energy. education, health care,

insurance. one of the reasons insurance rates are so high now is because the insurance companies can't get a decent return because the fed has got interest rates so low. they haerve to make up the difference by raising the premiums that they charge the people who buy their products. >> huckabee: peter schiff, thank you. always great to have you here. peter schiff, the author of the book "the real crash" here on the huckabee show. my next guest says the main stream media and moderators make a mess out of the debates. he says the whole process ought to be revamped. former green party presidential candidate and consumer advocate ralph anyway de nader will exply coming up next. ♪

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thoughtfully formed and can intellectually and passionately defend. i may not always agree with the conclusions of my next guest, but i greatly respect him. he calls president obama a war criminal. he says the debate process is a farce. he's also written a new book called the 17 solutions, bold ideas for our american future. joining me is former third party presidential candidate and consumer advocat advocate ralph. thanks for being here today. thanks for being here. i want you to speak to some of the criticisms you've had of the debate process. i've been critical. i think it's more like a game show. i found some of your thoughts most compelling, and i want you to talk about what's wrong with the debates as we have them. >> well, they're controlled by the republican and democratic nominees. the debatean commission is a corporation created in 1987 to get rid of the league of women votersas supervision. they thought the ladies were a little too uppity, and so they restrict the number of debates. they decide together who is going to ask them the questions.

they decide the format of the debates, the length ofns the debates, and they're given the topics ahead of time. that's why the debates that we've seen have kept off the table so many of the subject matterse that are on the minds of the american people like for example, what are we going to do with the tax system that let's off wall street speculators. how about bringing the minimum wage up to 1968 adjusted for inflation? that would help 30 million works workers. an overwhelming number of workers believe the minimum wage should be adjusted for inflation. that wasn't discussed. cracking down on corporate crime,ac the wall street crooks, that wasn't discussed. getting rid of corporate welfare, crony capitalism, subsidies, handouts, give aways, bailouts. that wasn't discussed. that's why i wroal wrote this b7 solutions, because we don't focus on solutions enough. we've got a lot of problems in e country, but we also have a

lot of solutionses o solutions f and not applied to the problems because of the democracy gap. we, the people, are the no spending enough time controlling our government, controlling these global corporations that arere shipping jobs to communist regimes overseas. it all comes down to we, the people. >> huckabee: i get the impression we would have and incredibly not only informative but very entertaining debate if you would moderate before them. i think that would be a great idea. i'll suggest that. >> i would do so. >> huckabee: i want to speak to -- by the way, many things you said i think are right. there's a inclusion between washington and wall street that's incredibly unholy and resulteresulted regardless of wn power, a sense of which the american has no idea the policies don't change a great deal because the true players don't change a great deal. that's an issue over which a cup of coffee you and i would enjoy. i want to speak, though, to

president obama who has really been criticized quietly but it's beginning to w get a little bolr from members of his own party. he's done very little to help people in his party. the state party organizations, candidates for congress, governor, senate, he's really campaigned for himself in an unusual level for a president. speak to that and how different that is for him as you have called him, i believe, a selfish candidate. >> yes. in his acceptance at the nomination in charlotte, he asked people to vote for him but he didn't talk about congressional democrats supporting congres congressional democrats. he doesn't run very often with the congressional democrats when he goes into their back yard, and if the democrats don't recover the house and keep the senate, president obama if he's reelected just can't get anything done. it's really strange, and it's quite a bit of resentment, although it's not vocal among members of the house of representatives of how he

doesn't seem to support their campaigns, and without their recovering the house, he's not going tori get anything done. that's why i called it a rather politically selfish. i think it's a wrong-headed approach from his own interest. >> huckabee: ralph, one thing people always know. you take a stand. in your book, "17 solutions", you certainly do that. i hope people will get a copy and read your ideas and i look forward to having you back so we can talk more about them. >> thank you. these are very excited ideas supported by a majority of the people. >> huckabee: thank you, ralph nader. good to have you here. four americans killed by terrorists in libya and the president's response on the dailynd show is it's not optima. we're going to fix it. you tell that to the families of the victims. my reaction to the president's absurd comment and some other quotes coming up ... next. juicy berry + tangy tangerine is a thrilling, dual-flavored ride to mouth fun-town. but it's not like everyone is going to

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>> huckabee: president obama made an appearance on friendly territory thursday. that's when he was a guest of jon stewart and the daily show. he got away with a comment that maybe he should have been pressed on a little harder. we start this week's notable quotables with the president's response to a question about sacrificing our values to ensure national security. >> there are some tradeoffs. i mean, there are times when there are bade folks somewheren the other side of the world and you've got to make a call and it's not optimal. >> that's the first time that the president used the term not optimal. now i want to fast forward a couple of minutes in the interview. this is when you're going to see the discussion change. it focuses now on the administration's response to the benghazi attacks. >> i would say even you would admit it was not the optimal response, at least to the american people as far as us all being on the same page. >> well, here's what i'll say. >> yeah. >> if four americans get killed,

it's not optimal. >> right. >> and we're going to fix it. >> huckabee: hm. now, there were people who didn't appreciate the president's comments on the daily show. people like pat smith. her son, shaun, was killed in the attack and she said how can you say somebody being killed is not very optimal? i don't think the president has the right idea of the english language. it's insensitive to say my son is not very optimal. he's also very dead. i've not been optimal since he died. in the past few weeks, it's been pure hell. you know, i can't imagine what pat smith and other members of the families of these four feel like. now, maybe the president just wasn't thinking but the cold and callous way in which those words came from him, i think they were words that i hope he will regret and recognize we're not exactly the spirit he should have said.

i hope perhaps tomorrow he will clear up that saying people were being optimal, what he should have said was no, it's unacceptable. it's horrible. not that we're just going to fix itho like it's a broken faucet, but that we're going to stand foruc america's right to be free all over the world and not to be assassinated by people who think they have the right to kill people who disagree with them. that's what, mr. president, i think people like pat smith and frankly the rest of us would love to hear. alabama senator and ranking member jeff sessions responded to figures this week that the government spent over a trillion dollars on food stamps had this to say. he said these astowppedding figures demonstrate that the united states spends more on federal welfare o than any other program in the federal budget. it's time to restore, not retreat from the moral principles of the 1 1996 well we reform.

it will help the recipient and the treasury. one of the reasons i have such great respect for senator session is because he said it pretty plainly and accurately, and in this case he did. the reason i know about this particular program is because i was governor during that time, an there was some pretty heavy lifting trying to figure out how to get people off welfare without hurting them. what we found out was if you gave people a pathway to responsibility, slowly taking benefits away as they achieve their ability not to need them, you were able to help them get to a place where permanently they no longer were dependent on government. the current policies are helping people to remain permanently affixed and attached to a government dependency. that is not helping people. that's hurting people. it's destroying their soul, their spirit, their initiative, and their resilience. that's why we need policies that help people get off of government dependence rather

than finding ways to make it so that thatey can't find a way ou. government dependency ought not to be the roach motel where you go in but you can't come out. all right. guess who managed to make another blunder on the campaign trail this week? how many of you know someone who served in iraq or iran? how many of you know someone who has been injured or lost in iraq and iran? >> okay. first of all, did i miss something? are we at war with iran now? i get the whole thing of knowing someone maybe in iraq, or even afghanistan that's been injured or killed. yes, i do know people from both of those conflicts. that's not what the vice-president said. he said do you know anyone in iraq or iran? here's what i want to ask you. did you happen to notice who raised his hands when the vice-president asked the question? look at this. when he asked the question,

here's harry reid. you know, on this show we told you w about harry reid's imaginy friend whispering things about mitt romney? now we know that harry's imaginary friend apparently has been involved in the imaginary war that's going on in iran that some imaginary americans must be over there fighting since harry seems to be the only one in america who really knows them. well, as paul ryan said in the debate, sometimes joe's words just don't always come out right. >> i always say what i mean. >> yeah. that's just it, joe. you always do say what you mean. i think that's why we thought last week that when were you are advicadvice w advice pressadvice first of the year, you have a great opportunity for voiceover

work in cartoon opportunities. we realize after some of your comments this week, there may even be another cartoon character that you could audition to be the voice for because joe biden means what he says and he says what he means because he is what he is. >> i am what i am, and that's all what i am. i'm popeye the sailor man. >> huckabee: okay. good luck, joe. mitt romney certainly tightened up the polls. what can we expect in the final two weeks of the race? a closer look at campaign strategies with kelly ann conway and rexn elsass coming up. sometimes life can be well, a little uncomfortable. but when it's hard or hurts to go to the bathroom, there's dulcolax stool softener. dulcolax stool softener doesn't make you go, it just makes it easier to go. dulcolax stool softener.

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debate from the first one. frankly, he was awake and had a pulse. that was part of the change. but how did his new persona, this aggressive i'm going to interrupt everything at all times, how did that play with voters? >> it probably energized his base because after that debate, the obama campaign had their best day of fund raising in quite some time. their base is a very small percentage, around they were voting for him anything. two things. first of all, based on that first disspiritted debate performance, obama had nowhere to go but up. secondly, i want to say who cares? are we going to judge a sitting president on 90 minutes of a performance or on four years of bringing this country back where it's spending that we don't have, of mortgaging our children's futures? i believe that one 90-minute performance for an inku7 incumbt cannot undoo undo four years. it was different for mitt romney. he was able to up end the

feelings about him. he was able to stem the early vote bleeding. for al three straight weeks alle heard was the race is over. i've got to go with the winner. i think that this is pretty much if this is a tennis match, we at deuce, slight advantage for each of them. romneyki looking so much bettern a state like florida. the obama campaign said very publicly they could lose ohio and win if they win states like wisconsin and iowa. that's paul ryan and scott walker's wisconsin. >> huckabee: very good point. candidates for governor, senate, congress, if you were obama's consultant and yes, i know you're not, but if you were, what would you advise him to do when he goes into this final debate monday night? >> well, first i have to tell you given i the fact that we wok with people we share values with

is such a hard might notset, but people believe a consultant can change the moon and the stars. i happen to believe the truth is relevant. i would tell him to come clean and tell the truth on benghazi. the problem doesn't go away by ignoring it. he needs for truth. i know for obama that's a little like try to get your teenager out of bed in the morning. >> huckabee: mitt romney is up biby six points and i realize te polls are all over the place. are the debates one of the factors changing that? i think certainly among women, is that what's made that a big difference? there's been a huge swing among women voters. >> you can draw a directly line, governor, from these debates to the female vote. women are disdisproportionately the undecided voters not because they're not payinge attention to politics but because they are. the final events f of the campan are these debates, and are there any scandals revealed, is there

any misstatements somebody's going to make. ironically in this race, there's a huge gender gap existent among men. they're headed to full product recall. men have cemented their opposition to obama, and that's the real gender gap that i think is propelling romney forward. >> huckabee: rex, i've got to ask thisfo question about coattails. we talked earlier with ralph nader. obama is not really helping any of the other people down ballot. mitt romney has gone out in part of his campaign and he's campaigning for those folks running down ballot from him. talk about the difference and how that can impact voter turnout and results. >> you havet to actually have a principal and philosophy that awakens people and makes them optimistic, and just the notion of change is enough to really make a difference, so i think you're going to see that continue, and as a result, mitt romney willnd continue to grow s lead because once again, he's

reaching the people that you talk about, state legislators accuracacross the country at evr level. they know the impact its had hag in the local community. they want to say goodbye to barack obama. >> huckabee: well, maybe they will. all right. his unwillingness to compromise cost him his congressional seat. is there any real stick hope for non-par sanshinon-part tanship ? i'll ask when we come back. find someone who can build a futuristic dash board display. bring future guy back. watch him build a tft display like nothing you've ever seen. get him to explain exactly what that is. the thin film transistor display... [ male announcer ] mmm, maybe not. just show it. customize the dash, give it park assist. the fuel efficiency flower thing. send future guy home, his work here is done. destroy time machine. win some awards, send in brady.

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>> huckabee: what if i told you there's a member of congress who was present for over 4700 consecutive votes who is willing to work with members of the opposite party who was such a strong fiscal conservative that

he actually used less money than the federal government allowed him to use to run his office and even returned what he didn't need? what if i told youun that that congressman was an endangered species? joining us now, blue dog democratic congressman from pennsylvania, jason altmeyer. thanks for coming in. you never missed a vote your first two years. you offered a number of ledge legislative initiatives, 28 of which were signed into law. i talked about you turned your money back. you lost your primary. what's going on? well, i was wondering that, too. i thought we had a pretty good record to run on. it basically came down to a vote against the health care bill. i voted against the health care law now, and that came back in the primary where we had redistricting that played a big role in that. my own folks supported me. i won 70% of the vote in what was left of my district, but it was a merged district and they doubled the turnout on the other side and that did the

difference, basically. >> huckabee: so you were a part of whatu was often called the blue dog democrats. conservative were areas. >> yes. >> huckabee: i guess by republican standards, a moderate, by democratic standards, ridiculously conservative. is there more place for a conservative democrat in the party any more? >> i hope there's a place on both sides. it's not just the democrats. if you look at what the republicans did in 2010 with internet candidate seats that they easily would have won including maybe nevada, they nominated candidates that couldn't win. theyb a democrats are in dangerf making thacrt same mistake. when you have a congress that's made up of the extremes, and i get asked all the time why is there so much par sanshi partisn congress. it's easy. we electric partisans. for most americans, they're not thinking about politics every day. they don't live and breathe it. it's the equivalent of the like gymnastics team where they think about it for two weeks for every four years and they put it behind them.

it can't be like that. you'll end up with people who are extreme and refuse to work together. >> huckabee: congressman, i'm worried that the> country is becoming increasingly ungovernorrable unless one party owns it all. you voted against obama care and you paid a big price for voting against obama care. why did you vote against it? what was it about this that you said i just can't go there? >> health care is my professional background. i don't want to revisit it. it is law now. i think there are some good things in the bill, but at the time i believe and still believe that it didn't do enough to reduce the cost of health care. that was the problem we were trying to solusve. i could give you a long speech about that, but equally important, i'm a representative. that's my title. i was sent to washington to speak for maiko for for my cons. i won the support of the overwhelming majority of my district. had i voted for the bill in 2010, i would have been beaten in 2010, but my constituents

sent me back to washington. we had redistricting and a different results. >> huckabee: will ther there bea time you'll go back into politics and say i w'll give ths a shot? not for a while. i have two children 14 and 11 and we're going to watch them grow up and i'm going to take a break for a while, but this is something i think the country needs to be concerned about, that you have people in congress that are not representative of the nation as a whole. most americans want us to work together. they want us to get alg and get things done. that's not what's happening in the congress. you have people that are driven by the extremes. >> huckabee: does it worry you that it's hard for a person to take a principal stand and not survive politically because of it? >>ti it doesn't worry me. i am content with what happened to me. i made the right vote. i can look myself in the mirror and look my friends and family in the eye and say i did the right thing. that doesn't bother me, but i'm concerned when you have a system that again you get no political benefit for doing the right thing, for being a moderate and trying to work across the aisle.

when i have a town hall meeting, i can hear from both sides. i can work with both sides. most districts in the country, they only hear one point of view, and when they go back to washington, they are certain that they're right because everybody they know feels the same way they do. that is not a formula for success. >> huckabee: you know, it's easy to get the idea that your opinions are very good when the only people you listen to is a closed circle of folks that already agree with you. congressman, i la meant that guys like you are not in congress. i mean this with all my heart. i do fear that we lose the capacity to form good government that involves consensus, compromise, and accepting that none of us are going to be right all the time and none of us will get everything we always want. we don't get it in marriage. my experience is we don't get it in government, either. i hope guys like you will keep fighting on both sides, democrat and republican, and it's a delight to have you here. >> thank you, governor. it was an honor. >> huckabee: i want to thank you for watching us today. i hope that wherever you are, you're having a great weekend. remember, we'll be back next

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