>> and not for children. >> toby says you don't like it. >> i'm a bear. >> brenda: nike may be fast, now what's really fast? the next show, cavuto on business. business. >> what the chuck? 44 days till the music stops and the spending ban is warming up. welcome, everybody, i'm neil cavuto and i bet you thought ahead of this big deadline, congress's spending days were done? well, you don't know what the chuck you're talking about because new york senator chuck schumer wants more spending now, not less. more stimulus to create jobs and leaving aside the wisdom of stimulus, what about the real threat of this cliff. apparently not threatening enough for schumer's colleagues. dave rockefeller and harken to say hands off medicare, hands off medicaid, hands off social security. and there eliminates the entire spending issue. so the president himself said

to raise the tax burden on the rich, now he wants 1.6 trillion dollars in taxes, but double what he wanted earlier this year and we hear that schumer wants even more. you see where this is going? and now wants to include cuts agreed to last year to count the same as cuts this year. and i think they call that double accounting, double booking, using two books or booking yourself, i don't know, but it is confusing, double this. and democrats say election consequences they do, but don't give the winners their own set of facts. for the life of me i couldn't find a single exit poll on this network or any network that said more spending and more stimulating. i did hear something more worrying, deficits that keep getting worse and a washington that just doesn't work. i will give the president his due, he might have gotten a nod on going after the rich, but i do not think he got a pass on running rough shod over everybody else. to ben stein, charles payne,

dagen mcdowell along with adam lashinsky and charlie gasperino. charles, what do you think. >> spending, spending, spending, for me it's like we'll cut to the chase, let's just take it all away and collapse this thing. it's nuts. it really is nuts. now what bothers me we keep talking about the rich and it's 250,000, it's not rich people, it's small businesses, it's already a disaster as it is, but to have the nerve to come out and say, hey, let's stimulate again and create a few temporary jobs and let's do deficit spending, it's working out. boggles the mind. >> ben stein, that struck me, i'm not surprised at the president and argue na people did other choices in the presidential election, with the president's vision and mitt romney's vision and part of that romney with the idea to leave the rich alone and integral to the president let's not do that, got elected. you could make an argument that taxes going up on the rich and so be it, but this other stuff with the new spending, new stimulus, new jobs measures, i don't think that was part of the election?

>> well, absolutely impossible. completely impossible to say what, that an issue like fiscal policy won the election for mr. obama. that's just the most amazing nonsense i've ever heard in my life. but, also, the whole point of the fiscal cliff is it to reduce the deficit. now, you're going to say, we're going to add a deficit? in that case, let's leave taxes low, let's keep spending high, i mean, the whole idea is we've got to stop this out of control deficit, this out of control debt. what senator schumer is proposing is exactly the wrong idea. >> a now entitlements leave them alone and dagen, go on and on and on. >> the argument we need to stimulate growth. you'll hurt growth if you raise taxes and it gets back to what we've seen all along, we will raise your taxes 'cause we, the government, and the lawmakers, can spend your money better than you can spend it yourself, because they know better. it doesn't make any sense. it's upside down, backwards,

like spinning around and around logic and that's the way they think. >> i don't see much progress here then. and i see, charlie gasperino, when all is said and done, that if the markets don't sell off on the lack after deal they sell off more on this kind of a deal. >> what we should point out. when mitt romney had a bright, shining moment during the first debate what he did best was show that president obama's economic incoherency, think about what they're doing, they're saying we're going to tax small businesses, people that make money, people that might way make money and spend it so other people can make money. and then now what we're going to do? we're going to do stimulus stuff on the eyed, it's irrational and the markets hate this deal so far, they hate everything that's-- and we don't have a deal yet. they hate everything that's coming out. adam, if you-- >> a couple of points. >> if you deny that you-- >> adam, what do you think of that. >> maybe a needle sticking out of people. >> and a couple of points, first of all, we're being a little too glib in equating

charles schumer with president obama. president obama has not called for new stimulus spending. >> by the way, no, to be fair, schumer isn't alone in the senate. now? there are a number, 30 who will sign on to this leave the entitlements alone and nancy pelosi in the house said much the same. they're putting and knocking a lot off the table. >> so you won't like this, but two separate issues. stimulus spending on one hand, the president hasn't called for it. leave entitlement spending alone, again, not the central argument that the president has been making, he has already indicated that he is willing to look at entitlement spending and he is willing to compromise on that. >> the details and-- >> charlie, by the way, here is where you can't really believe him. he's made specific recommendations on taxes, it's all laid out there, you know, dividends, you know, upper brackets. he's not made one specific recommendation on entitlement cuts, so-- >> because that's not his primary position, he has

indicated he's willing, and-- >> that's right, he doesn't want to do that. >> charlie. >> what do you make of that, that's not on the agenda? >> and he's not submitted a budget in three and a half years period, and he's extreme tli vague, one idea which is correct. tax the rich more, but the rest of it is all just fog, smoke and mirrors. >> you know, charles payne, i understand the area for election, there are consequences, i'm not a big fan of raising taxes, i think that's going to happen. raise tax on the rich and i don't support it to all of dagen's points and charlie gasperino's all of the above and you can make a point that's part of what the american people voted for, because polls have some want us to, with the rich. i find it's a leap then to say you can't and are not going to attempt to rein in some of this spending that was a very big worry on the part of americans, because that sets

up-- >> charlie. >> the really arrogant negotiating. >> charlie is 100% right. i've got to tell you, everyone keeps saying the president is talking about compromise. this is what i hear. hey, republicans, you can have, you're going to have taxes on the rich, and we're going to cut defense spending or you can have taxes on the rich and we'll cut defense spending, which do you want? >> that's what-- >> and that i have a mandate to do this. here is the mandate. won 50% of the vote and the house remained republican, that's called divided government he doesn't have a mandate for compromise. >> ben, i think you made the best point of the show so far. >> whoa, whoa, whoa, we all made points uyou're giving him-- >> i think that neil made the best point, charles. >> the election doesn't mean that the president necessarily wants us to go out and tax them to death. a whole lot about the election that we get into later. >> neil: and exit polls are at fox and i'll enlighten you. and i think, actually karl

rove did that, so might have to-- >> did the exit polls want us to go back into recession? because that's what did $. >> and it's clear, maybe that's it, dagen, maybe we kept things kind of the same, right? so maybe they just like this sort of-- >> people, i don't think the markets think it's the same. you've seen the selloff in the stock market and you know with what's been on fire, infuego, people have been buying the garbage of the garbage of the bonds because people believe their taxes are going up. >> neil: and great, dagen, municipal bonds, that should lock up the nielsens. >> and how this could affect commodity futures. i'm kidding, dagen, you're a genius. now jumping off the cliff and jumping ship literally. forget taxes headed higher. as we head off the cliff, the

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>> and this is a fox news alert. i'm jamie colby, the stop story we're watching right now is this new video from tel aviv, israel, the city is under attack. take a look at this, the israel iron dome rocket defense system has shot down a rocket, the third straight day that gaza militants have fired these rockets at tel aviv. folks ran for cover and cheered as the interception took place and israel putting troops in armored vehicles on the gaza border at this hour raising concerns of ground assaults on gaza may be imminent. we're tracking the

developments for you. a horrifying crash between a train and school bus garien kindergarteners, reports nearly 50 people killed. happened in southern egypt and appeared the railroad crossing wasn't closed as the train sped toward the bus and distraught family members at the scene are searching for loved ones. i'll send you back now to cavuto on business. i'm jamie colby. keep it on fox. >> neil: do you think the victims of sandy are fuming at fema now, with the cash dwindling they're prepared to ask for at taxpayer funded bailout and reports that fema and red cross workers in new york were shacking up in the swanky soho grand hotel in manhattan. at least they're getting a discount rate. $310 a night. the red cross footing the tab at $181,000 for their workers and charles doesn't like any of this. and my point on this, i tend to think they got us a bit too much bad press for this, they have to stay somewhere, but i have a problem with it when

it's at the expense of folks who are affected by this. >> dave: right of course now they're talking about a bailout for fema, a bailout after katrina and never paid that back and whatever, 16 billion, the post office lost 16 billion. federal housing administration. >> neil: 16 billion. >> that's a common thing, 16 billion, 16 billion, the number later on. >> a combination. >> neil: and after 16, after 16. >> and listen, of course, they have to find places to stay, it was pretty tight, but it doesn't feel right. i use today stay at the soho grand and when i had more money before the first stock market crash and-- >> a very nice place. >> neil: adam, you clearly feel guilty? >> well, because in fact, i stayed at the soho grand last month and i have to say, i didn't think it was that plush, neil, actually and of course they have-- >> plush? >> that's a great place, man. >> and compared so the some of

the other hotels at midtown. >> and hilton gardens inns and marriott residence inns and we're piling on fema which of course has problems and needs to be improved. and this is fun. it's a beautiful picture of the hotel. >> neil: you know, it does come at a time they're asking for more money, ben stein and they're not up to snuff handling this. folks in staten island are still waiting for help and emergency centers, relief centers set up after the storm and shut down ahead of the nor'easter, they didn't want to endanger workers, i understand all of that, but it just raises this issue, then what the hell are you doing there, if your job is contingent on the weather. >> if george bush was in president when this happened and people in new york without power two weeks after the disaster, sorry, they'd be screaming to lynch him.

the media has totally bailed on this and totally favoring mr. obama on this, clearly fema didn't do the job right, but okay if they stay at $300 a night hotels pennies with what we spent altogether and if they need more money, they need more money, but clearly they were not up to the job. they had quite a bit of warning about this, they didn't stock pile supplies, they didn't stock pile fooled. there is something drastically wrong-- >> why are they staying in manhattan. >> because it's the cool place to stay. >> that's what i'm saying, lower manhattan and-- the damage. >> that doesn't mean they didn't have any room. sounds like they didn't have any room at the inn kind of deal, but didn't have any room at staten island. >> and there's a borough called queens and another one called the bronx that you might be able to stay in. i guarantee there's hotels there. and this is why it just, it reeks. and listen, for all i know they checked every hotel in the bronx, in yonkers, in the surrounding, in the surrounding areas and they found that they were sold out,

i doubt it. and then they stayed at the soho grand, by the way, adam, the soho grand is an amazing place. >> no it's not. >> oh, it's great. >> by the way, it's beyond the soho grand, this is about the financial mismanagement of government agency. it's about the financial mismanagement of the national flood insurance program where people in this country get to buy insurance at below market rates that's subsidized by the american taxpayer and when a storm hits, then they have to go to the treasury department, they're going to run out of the borrowing limit after this storm, the flood insurance program, and again, but we as a nation have let this go on and on and on and even people within government know the flood insurance program is completely mismanaged and doesn't have accurate maps. >> they're generous and they think with their hearts first and then their heads after that and think well, give them more money, more money. you sound heartless if you say the opposite, right, charles.

>> you sound heartless if you say the opposite, but don't sound heartless if you say-- >> i stayed at the algonquin. >> and when you say grand-- twinkies are now toast, that's because hostess is now going out of business after a showdown with striking union workerses and people are already pushing the panic button and going underground for their goodies. (laughter) >> there he is. >> no more twinkies. >> hey. >> a twinkie? >> i've got a guy in cleveland that has 175. (laughter) having you ship my gifts couldn't be easier.

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>> coming up, hostess is baked because the baker of the classic twinkie is it going out of business. and nothing to do with the food police cracking dow

♪ >> well, call it the hostess without the mostest. the iconic maker of twinkies and ding-dongs shutting for food after union workers voted down a plan to not shut down the company, and 18,000 jobs. i'm not a fan of twinkies, legalized poison. >> it's in my food pyramid. >> remember that, remember

that john belushi skit, little chocolate donuts. anyway, listen, i don't like people who-- i don't want people to lose their jobs and take, and who have lost jobs to take this the wrong way, it's a cautionary tale, you push too hard on the companies, you end up like the automakers, unless you get bailed out. twinkies is not going to get bailed out. and it's a private sector union. >> i agree, charlie mentioned the auto workers, there were times when unions did amazing things, made the work place better and they got wages. >> got to push too hard. >> and now, they put their interests ahead of customers and shareholders. >> and themselves. >> and the teamsters, even the teamsters upset that the smaller bakers union would not try to-- by the way, hey, since they're grinches, and they're-- >> oh, taking--

>> they also make yodels, bucko, great, great and baked by hostess, so-- >> and this is in horrible shape, and did you smash these. >> the last two in the vending machine. you know who sold them to me, andrew white, the guy in the video. >> pay $75 for these. >> ben stein, what does it mean now? obviously, you know, someone will try to scoop up-- it's a well-known brand name, maybe try to make a go of it in a different life, but-- >> they're still planning a very rich sugary foods out there and i have to say i'm not as thin or fit as charlie, but i happen to love them and i love sugar altogether. but, the unions are just too aggressive in cases like this. what could their possible rational be for putting their own members out of a job. how do you explain to a man or woman who can't feed his or her family hey i put you out

after job to demand more money for a job you don't have any more. how do you explain that. >> neil: adam. >> this is a gross oversimp oversimplification of another issue. there were other problems at hostess, other than not reaching an agreement with the union. i finally remembered ding-dongs from my childhood and i haven't eaten one in a very long time and i wouldn't feed one to my daughter. >> neil: a long time, last week. >> that's the problem here. >> and you're unamerican if you don't eat-- >> i'm going to eat one of these, i'll eat a cannoli instead. >> shut up. in tactffact my thanks to charl and dagen, two thin obnoxious people. the hush before the rush, less than a week to the busiest shopping day of the year. our gang doing bargain hunting, not for the latest gadgets, for the hottest gadgets, for the hottest stock. captioned by closed captioning services, inc. fully customize it for your trading process --

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ed. >> early holiday shopping, stocks on sale. >> i like nike. earlier this week, foot locker

and dicks had good numbers. cheap enough to buy. >> adam, would run to that one is this. >> no. i love nike, although i'm an asics shoe runner. i don't think it's that cheap of the though i like the company. >> what are you doing then? >> cisco, the tech giant is super cheap, less than 12 times trailing earnings. not a great business, but it will be a good value. >> what do you think of that, ben? >> there is hardly any better run company in the company than cisco. i think he's right on the money. but what he knows if the market doesn't know is bit of a mystery to me. >> what are you doing these days is this. >> just my usual. the broadest possible index. bti and i'm very, very happy if i can keep up with the market. i'm a happy guy. >> what do you think of the next few weeks of the market, ben? >> i think it will be a choppy time. but the day before they reach a deal on the fiscal cliff, the market will correct to the upsigned and it will be great stuff. >> we'll watch closely.