>> there are people in your own state that they survived the terror attack and they want to tell their story. will you help them come forward? >> i am not familiar with this notion that anybody's been blocked from testifying. so, what i will do, i will find out what exactly you are referring to... what i have been very clear about from the start is that... our job with respect

to benghazi has been to find out exactly what happened, to make sure that u.s. embassies, not just in the middle-east but around the world are safe and secure and to bring those who carried it out to justice. but i will find out what exactly you are referring to. >> you are saying they have been blocked from coming forward. >> we are not aware of any employees who have requested private attorneys for anything in connection with benghazi. we are not aware of it. >> but a lawyer for the state department lawyers say the state department is threatening to punish whistle-blowers. >> i am talking specifically about benghazi, that people have been threatened -- not just the state department. people have been threatened at the cia. it's frightening, they are doing some very despicable threats to people -- not we are going to kill you, not we are going to prosecute you tomorrow, but they are taking career people and making them well aware that their careers will be over.

>> congressman, nice to see you. >> how are you? >> i'm very well. late breaking, the news that on may 8, there will be hearings before chairman issa's committee. i assume it will be calling the whistle-blowers to testify? >> well, i am not at liberty to disclose the identity of the witnesses. i will say what i have said previously which is that it is going to be a very informational, instructive hearing. i would encourage to you follow it. and benghazi is warming up. it is not going away, despite the efforts of this administration. >> what makes it informational? i will try going around that way. >> well, gret ayou were a very accomplished attorney. i think you know that -- hearsay evidence not so interesting, firsthand accounts, by eyewitnesses, much more compelling, much more persuasive.

so i would again, repeat for your audience and those who may be watching, if you also have firsthand knowledge about what happened in benghazi, secure counsel. you will be protected. so let me just say that next week will be a wonderful opportunity for us to hear non-hearsay accounts of what happened in benghazi. >> i guess that leads to my second question. now we know this is going to be people with firsthand account of benghazi. i assume they were on the ground at benghazi. i am make that assumption. i don't know if you have confirmed that or not. but i will make that assumption. the state department says they have investigated. the accountability review board, an out-sourced group of people by the state department, that they have fully investigated it. are you saying that -- that you are not accepting their investigation? and that you yourself want to talk to the witnesses?

>> oh, that's an understatement. to say that we haven't accepted it -- greta, how in the world can you have a comprehensive rerue of benghazi when you don't bother to talk to the secretary of state? she wasn't even interviewed by the so-called accountability review board. there is a reason that students don't grade their own papers. there is a reason that defendants don't sentence themselves. and there is a reason the state department doesn't get to investigated itself to determine whether or not it made errors in benghazi. that's congress's job. so, yes, it would be a -- a wild understatement for us to say we dont have confidence in the accountability review board and its conclusions. >> all right. one thing we have talked off-camera on many occasions, we talk about the courtroom and how different it is, is that you get to ask questions until you get the answer. in congress, have you four or five minutes. so nothing ever gets fully developed. have you considered joining

forces with your colleagues and someone taking all the -- all the time so that the questions really can be asked, rather than you do three minutes and the next person does three minutes and we never hear what happened. >> we have had those conversations before. of course, when you are dealing with members of congress, each one of them individually wants all the time. so -- i am fortunate to serve on oversight with folks like jimmy jordan and jason chaffetz, who are very strong on a host of issues but don't have courtroom experience. i think you are going to see a very well prepared side of the dias on the side of republicans. i have been preparing all weekend for it. and as you say, i only get 5 minutes. i have been approach bide colleagues who want to yield their time. you get five minutes and you go to the other side. so whatever point you are making, you have to start all over again. chairman issa has certain tools

at his disposal, which he doesn't use very often. this is such an important hearing that i expect and hope that chairman ical use every arrow in his quiver to make sure that the audience doesn't have this continual interruption of five minutes here and then five minutes changing the topic. and i know firsthand because there has been coordination among the members on the republican side, how we can present this case as seamlessly as possible, come next week. >> all right. you may have heard the sound bite. ed henry asking the president today at the press conference about whether or not he was familiar with any -- any evidence or suggestion of intimidation of the whistle-blowers. the president said -- and i am parapraising -- that he was unaware of anyone blocking the witnesses from testifying. do you have any informs that's contrary to that? do you have any reason to doubt that the president was unfamiliar, didn't know about it

in. >> i can't speak to what the president knows or doesn't know. i know this, we have time in life to do the things we being are important. the president has known for 12 hours that there was an allegation that whistle-blowers are being -- are being -- thwarted or silenced. so what has he done in the last 12 hours? did he call the state department? did he call the cia? did he say i want attorneys for anyone who works in your department that wants to come forward. i know he made a photocopy call yesterday to a basketball player. did he make a phone call to the whistle-blowers? did he call them and say, you know what? i want to congratulate you for coming forward. you are doing the right thing. he has had 12 hours. i don't know what he knew before this morning. i know this. he knows now. what's he done in the last 12 hours? if have you time to go to the white house correspondents dinner and time to speak to planned parenthood, he said he wasn't going to rest until those

who were responsible for benghazi have been brought to justice. who has been brought to justice? who?! it's been seven months. >> let me defend him for going to the white house correspondents dinner. it's a charity. we are always glad when the presidents show up. let me thank him for that. although i wasn't at the dinner this year. let me ask you another question, what provoked the whistle-blowers -- although you have not confirmed that they are coming forward? did they all get together? did someone go out to them? what was the catalyst? i think it's a -- a growing frustration. you want to let government dos did job. when people say, we are investigating it, we are going to get to the bottom of it. we are going to get you answers. you want to believe them. but after seven months, it becomes patently obvious that -- that the sole function of the accountability review board was to insulate hillary clinton. so at some point, again, speaking generically, i think

you just in the quietness of your own soul, you realize government is not getting us answers on benghazi. i have to show the courage -- the moral courage, if you will -- to come forward even if there are going to be reprisals and consequences against me. and more power to them for doing so. there are folks whose careers are in jeopardy. there are folks who are understandably fearful of retribution and we ought to be encouraging and sending them to come forward. we ought to be providing counsel and access to classified information and not threats. i think what we are going to find out next week is that this effort to delay and obfuscate and hide have been going on shortly after benghazi. this is not a new phenomenon. there has been orchestrated attempt -- yes, ma'am? >> thank you very much, sir. i hope you will come back next week as the hearings unfold. thanks you, sir. >> yes, ma'am.

thank you. >> now to the hot-button issue on gretawire.com, should the state accountability review board be enough to satisfy congress? or should congress do its own investigation of benghazi? go to gretawire.com and vote in our poll. now to the latest in the boston bombing investigation. the fbi is analyzing female dna on one of the bombs. they are trying to answer the critical question -- are others involved? did the tsarnaev brothers have any help isn't fbi is reportedly seeking information on several persons of interest. boston globe reporter brian bender is here. is there any information that the fbi is looking into the possibility that others are involved? >> the fbi is trying to turn over every possible stone. there is no evidence, officials say at this point, of a wider plot. they have stressed they are not done with their investigation. >> have they gotten anything that indicates that there might be somebody eye realize they have to do an exhaustive

information. but has therein their been anything that has tipped that way? >> there is this person -- this mysterious person, misha, who apparently was a religious figure in rhode island who had some influence on the older brother, tamerian tsarnaev. they have interviewed him to see whether or not she had known something and put him up to this. this is not clear. there is the widow of the older bomber, who has been interviewed several times by the fbi. they have sought a dna sample to from here -- from her to see if this might match the dna on the bomb. >> it was found on one of the bombs that was exploded or one that was thrown out of the car or a bomb at home? do we know where the component was found with the dna? >> this is on one of the pressure cookers. one of the bombs that was used in the actual more marathon attack. >> number 1 or 2? >> right. it is want clear whether this is dna that would have been from

someone who constructed the bomb or a piece of shrapnel, obviously, it could be dna from a victim. they are trying to figure out whether or not it originates and to run down every lead. >> tonight there is news that the money, the government money to tamerian tsarnaev, to aid the older one? >> the older one got, i think $4- or $5,000 in federal tuition assistance. that's been a point of controversy. but i think it's important to point out that the law states pretty clearly, if you are a legal resident here, particularly a refugee or someone who sought political asylum like the tsarnaev did, you are eligible for federal assistance. >> it came to them legally, but maybe they were ingrates and didn't quite show us what we showed them i. i am not sure of the factr fact that they took advantage of this means that every immigrant who is here on political asylum status should

not receive. >> i didn't mean that. but if you get the federal assistance and drop some bombs, you may have gotten it legally, but not the payback we are looking for. anyway, thank you. dna found on a bomb fragment, sounds like a giant clue. but is it? forensic pathologist dr. michael badon joins us. it may be innocent. it could be as brian has mentioned from unfortunately, one of the victims. but i am curious, how easy is it to get dna off something? if i had a pressure cookener my home and it ended up in a bomb, but i touched it, would you expect my dna to come off it? >> yes, your dna and your fingerprints and off bullets also, the technology can pick up just a few cells of -- skin cells and fingerprints. and if -- it doesn't matter t. could be a male or a female dna. but the fbi's going to track any

dna, any yarning prints on -- any fingerprints on any of the bomb devices to see where it leads. maybe they could rule in or rule out the wife of the -- of the decedent. but all dna will be checked. >> a couple of things to point out, you can have dna on an item that is part of a bomb and doesn't mean you are a bomb maker. you might have packed it in a box or you gave it as a gift and you touched it. it's very easy to find dna on manage. >> liewtle. even the person who packaged the item's dna would be on that. whether it's panties or a solid object. the person packing -- packaging it, as well as anybody else who touched it t. anybody who might have picked up or touched the bomb fragment on the ground.

any of these people could have left the dna. but all of these things have to be checked out to find if there is one person who -- who has a great deal of interest to the fbi. >> if something explodes, a pressure cooker as a bomb and it hits somebody and that's the piece you recover, but there is an injury or something, would that -- that would leave dna -- would the victim's dna be left on the piece? >> absolutely, the dna from the skin and any blood that came out could get on the object that struck the individual. and that -- that would be matched up from -- i am sure the fbi has gotten blood or -- from all the victims, from the autopsies. and they have a record of anybody who was injured. and they will check whatever dnaa they find on any of the bomb fragments to see if it -- could lead to an unidentified

person. >> as always, thank you, sir. nice to see you. >> thank you, greta. >> to another part of the bombing investigation. what is russia not telling us? do the russians know more about tamerian tsarnaev and his family than they for letting on? the weekly standard' steve hayes is here. are the russians fully cooperating? >> i think the answer's no. it has been no since the beginning of the bombing. among dozens of interviews i have done in the past week, one of the recurring themes is that the russians have not been offering as much as they ought to, as much as we think that they know and when we go to them and say, you gave us this information initially, what more can you tell us now? they have basically responded with either silence or a shrug of the shoulders. >> all right, the fbi were very effective in track down and getting the two bombers. but along the way, i mean, months before, they had gotten a tip by the russians to look at

them. has the fbi been forthcoming, as far as we know, telling us how much they knew about these two. >> it's hard to say. initially, remember in the early hours of this investigation, the fbi was telling some reporters -- not all, but some reporters, we don't have any idea who this is. this is something that's not familiar to us. later tturned out that they had been tracking tamerian tsarnaev. they have done interviews with him. they have followed him. they had been paying attention to his mother. they hadn't been forthcoming at that point? >> forthcoming because they were trying to be slippery and cagey or because they thought it was hooked up with national security issues and none of the media a business. >> we don't know the answer to that question. the early report it's they were telling different things. in those first three, four hours, they were telling some reporters, this guy's been on our radar. they were telling other reporters, we have no idea who this guy is. >> the russians went to the fbi.

the fbi didn't do anything and the russians -- apparently, i don't know, desperation, they went to the cia and the cia puts them on a watch list and then the tide list is supposed to track them going out of the country and coming back in. that didn't happen. and there is a conflict because homeland security secretary napolitano said there were pings going out. and the cia says there has not. >> you ask people who i think ought to be able to deliver straight, comprehensive answers about this, and they can't. you say to people, what happens when the system pings, to use janet napolitano's phrase? they can't give you an answer. this is true whether it's an oversight capacity or somebody who is in the process, somebody who would be pinged. but what seems clear at this point, the fbi was not included in this broad message that talked about tamerian tsarnaev

sending off signals, the fact he was leaving the country and coming back to the country. the fbi was not on those pings. of course, the fbi is the one who received the initial tip, did the investigation, would have been the one, presumably we would want to hear from most about this. >> i would like to see the investigation -- i wonder if it's the low man on the toteem poll and we will see more in the days and weeks to come. >> i think we will. there will be a lot of focus on the ping, as janet napolitano called it, going to a single border patrol official who was part of the jttf in boston, responsible for disseminating the information in this joint terrorism task force. that person didn't do that. i am told that person received 200, 300 pings in that eight-hour shift in which the initial ping came.

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flush. >> obama is insisting most americans won't feel any pain from obamacare. >> 15 to 90% of americans who already have health insurance, this thing has already happened. their only impact is that their insurance is stronger, more secure than it was before. >> but senator john barrasso, who is also a doctor, said the president is either being ignorant or dishonest. the senator joins us. i can't decide which one i want to be. neither one i guess. why do you use those harsh words to the president? >> he's clueless as to what is happening across the country if you listen to what he says. i don't know if he is woefully

ignorant or willfully trying to mislead the american people. premiums are going up across the country, people aren't able to keep the insurance they have, even if they like it, harder to get a doctor and new forms to fill out. and they are behind time in trying to get information to the american public. >> the first one is 21 pages. this one is down to six or seven pages, depending on how you count it. if you count the top page. that's come down, a little streamlined for the american people but it will still ab challenge for a lot of people. >> it won't make it easier for people to see a doctor or see a doctor at a lower cost. >> i was struck by the 90% comment. in the front page, i think it's the front section of the washington post yesterday, and i have that article, we did a segment on it. looming, one insure insurer wants a 25% premium hike in maryland, that's for individual policies. and it covers -- it's an average

of 25%. meaning some will get stuck for more. it will affect a lot of people in maryland. >> there will be winners and losers. most people, if you have a town hall meeting, most people believe they will be paying more and getting lower quality, less available care. most people think of themselves as losers rather than winners under the healthcare law. polling this past month, only one outs of three people support this, and more of the majority of the people want to repeal all or part of the healthcare law. >> that's a different issue to say if they like it or not. to say it won't affect them is a whole different thing. he said it wouldn't have an impact. he said won't touch about 90%. >> and that's just false. a senator from montana. chairman of the finance committee, called it a train wreck. >> why? he was one of the architects. >> because he's seen three years into it now it's not coming out to be the way they thought it would work. >> why didn't he stick around

and fix it? he's not going to run again. >> i think there are a lot of senators who voted for it who will pay the price in 2014 as the american public sees what the cost of this is, the drag on the economy, losing the care they have or losing their jobs or certainly losing the number of hours they have if they are part-time workers. >> i have a problem. if you voted for something and turns out it's not what you thought it was, rather than sort of put your tail between your legs and running off, i think you should try to fix it, like make it better. >> they have this special election going on in south carolina, the democrat congress candidate yesterday during the debate said that there were extreme problems with the president's healthcare law in terms of how much it costs, in terms of the cuts to our seniors on medicare. >> that's a democratic candidate, the woman? >> yeah, and she talked about the number of people who are losing their jobs because of the cost of the president healthcare law and businesses are having to either not hire or lay off

people or cut their number of hours. >> for the life of me, i don't know why the president said that, you know, that 90%, it won't touch 90%. maybe he misspoke? >> no, because he said it several times. >> i mean, for the life of me i can't figure it out. if you see the washington post you would see the large premium hikes. >> that's it, he is either woefully ignorant of what is there or willfully trying to mislead the american people and the american people don't like it. we will try to tear it apart. no matter what the unemployment numbers that come out friday, they could be better if not under this obamacare pulling it down. >> and up next, marco rubio, what does he say to the gang of 8 for the immigration plan? that's next. and martha stewart is heading to the meat market, but she's not planning a dinner party. you will never guess. enter stick around to hear

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>> heat is on. florida senator marco rubio is taking criticism from both sides over immigration reform. he's one of the leading forces behind the gang of eight immigration bill. he joins us. nice to see you, senator. >> nice to see you. >> i feel you must be doing something right in washington. you got the left a little bit mad at you, you have the right a little mad at you, you have the president saying he agrees with some of what you do, but not all. i guess you can define this as bipartisan ship? >> look, we have a serious problem. even if we didn't have a single illegal immigrant in the united states, we would still have to do immigration reform because our immigration system doesn't work. all i'm trying to do is fix the problem. that's what we are trying to get at here. >> it's not perfect for everybody. everybody has to give a little. what did you give on? what is something you wanted that is not in this bill? >> well, let's begin by saying this. no one has a right to be in this

country illegally. fact we are dealing with the people who are here illegally now and creating a way for them to get a temporary work permit and pay a fine, that's a major concession. you don't have a right it be here illegally. we are dealing with this because we are pragmatic and get it and understands it's in the best interest of country to deal with it, and the other reason we are dealing with it is because we are compassion national people. but we don't have to do this. we doing it because it's good for the country. >> so what did you give up? >> i don't know about give up. the fact that we are going to allow or create a process for people when violated our immigration laws to stay in the country, that's a major concession. in return what we expect is to modernize our illegal immigration system and have 5 .$5 billion of border security in addition to what is already being spent. these are important things we hope to be able to get accomplished, otherwise it doesn't work. >> a big force on the right-hand side of the political spectrum

is senator jim demint, who is now at the heritage, who in 2007 was a u.s. senator. he was largely one of the people responsible for derailing the immigration reform bill then. he does it as head of the heritage now he disagrees to strongly with you on economic grounds engine said your bill would take, the people, the illegal or unauthorized immigrants would ultimately take out more in federal benefits than they would pay in taxes. is senator demint right or wrong on that? because one you have is right and one of you is wrong on that. >> i have tremendous respect for jim demint,mint, and his objecto this is the economic costs so we have to make sure there aren't economic costs. that's one of the reasons in the billy helped prepare, illegal immigrants, when they get legalized and get it to work, they don't qualify for any federal benefits at all, including obamacare. if there's way to make is it better, we are open to it. we want to hear from everybody how to improve it.

what we have come up with it is starting point. we don't want to see costs to the government. that's why we put in specifically in the bill that people who are illegal here that get the permit do not qualify for any federal benefits, including obamacare. >> you know, it's sort of interesting with senator demint, who was one ever your very early supporters, and i know that you admire him a lot, is that he has some ideas that need to be worked out with you on immigration on the right-hand side of the political spectrum, but he's also, as i understand it, he can't really talk to you about policy because as a former u.s. senator and there is a certain time period he can get involved in policy, but yet he has enormous impact on the discussion. so it's sort of awkward. it would be nice to bring him into the discussion and work things out, but you guys really can't involved. >> heritage is still very involved. we see what they write all the type. we still work with them on all sorts of other issues. i think we share the same goal which is to have a legal immigration system that works. we have a difference of opinion

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>> a young mother working alone late night at a michigan gas station vanishes. tonight police releasing a sketch of the driver of the suspicious van. the van was spotted around the time police think the woman was kidnapped. and that's not all. police also release ago 911 call from the gas station customer who alerted them to the empty gas station. >> i'm at the exxon gas station there is nobody here. wouldn't allow me to pump gas. there is nobody. there's a car and another car out in front. but it's very suspicious why there is nobody here. >> the police chief daniel shaw joins us. chief, tell me, this sketch, are you certain this is the person who may have had contact with the missing woman or is it just

someone you want to talk to? >> good evening, greta. no, what we believe is that is the driver of the van that we are look for that was last seen near the gas station. whether or not this person abducted jessica, we don't know for sure. one thing we do know, that person was at the scene and we would like to talk to them. >> do you have the video of the van at the gas station or do you pick it up some distance from the gas station? >> the first video we have of the vehicle is about a half-mile away after he left the gas station. >> is there any other traffic in the area, though, so this could be sort of a mistake? i mean, are there other cars in other videos? why this one? >> based on our witness -- or description of the vehicle and the direction of travel, we believe the video we captured of the vehicle going northbound from the scene is accurate. >> are you able to enhance that video? i know when we spoke last night

you were unable to determine the license plate number. are you able in the last 24 hours or any sophisticated technology that will help you get the license plate number on it? >> unfortunately no but we are working on gathering evidence from further down the road from other systems. >> in doing my research for tonight i read one article that says there were some spots found on the cement, on the concrete outside, could possibly be blood. have you confirmed it's blood and have you been able to determine whose blood? >> no, we have not. we are still just trying to get that processed so we can find out if it is blood, and if it is, we are going to ship it out for dna analysis. >> chief, thank you. to anyone watching this show, if you recognize that person, the sketch, and you live in the area, call the police right away. they are desperately trying to find this mother. any hints, anyone said anything, call the police. thank you, sir. >> thank you for having me. >> now to the murder gripping a

small california town with absolute fear. an 8-year-old girl stabbed to death in broad day light in her home. there's news tonight. police say they have discovered dna and finger prints at the scene >> the sheriff joins us from valley springs. good evening, sheriff. tell me what is found at the scene, the dna and the fingerprints. have you excluded the family as being the ones who left behind that dna and the finger prints, and it's likely an intruder? >> we are looking at kind of every possibility at this point. we aren't looking at any family members. we are in the process right now of having that dna and finger prints processed. >> is there any sort of working theory or motive why anyone would go into this house and harm this young child and kill her? >> first when we received the call there was a call that an

intruder came into the house and stabbed the little girl upon arrival we found out that nothing was taken that i know of at this point in time and the motive is unknown at this time. >> have you done sort of the routine check in the area for sex offenders or people recently paroled? i assume that you are doing that to sort of check out the neighborhood, right, sir? >> oh, yeah. yes. we have done that, went through every sex offender, parolee, probationer, and i think we have two yet to find but we've been through all of that. we've canvassed the area. we had the california highway patrol helicopter up. we have multi-other agencies come up to help us, and now we have also brought in the fbi. >> have you confirmed whether the knife was from the house or whether it was brought into the house by the intruder?

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