thank you for being along. it has been a busy, breaking news weekend. huckabee starts. in the circuit court for seminole county florida, state of florida versus george zimmerman, verdict, we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty. >> welcome to a special live edition of huckabee. george zimmerman was found not guilty by a jury last night of six women who heard evidence, were instructed as to the law, and acted with clarity. now, they're not heroes, they're just citizens doing one of the most difficult and thankless tasks that any american has called upon to perform. judging the guilt or innocence of another human being. george zimmerman is not a hero. he was a young hispanic man. he believed he was in danger. and he used a gun to end what he felt was a threat to his own

life. he is going to spend the rest of his life second guessing his decision to get out of the car to follow a young man he thought might be part of a crime wave in his neighborhood. and trayvon martin is not a hero, he was a young man whose life ended way too soon, maybe because he decided to confront a man he believed was showing him disrespect. even if one believes the jury got it right with a not guilty verdict, there's no reason for high fiving and back slapping, because it was a tragedy for all involved, and despite the screams of al sharpton who sees racism in everything and who claimed the verdict was a slap in the face of justice, this was in fact justice, as it was designed under our constitution. justice doesn't mean perfection or even right. it means we're reminded that we are a nation of laws, not men, a nation with imperfect legislators who write the laws, reflecting our collective moral

code. then laws which are enforced by a separate branch of government. and when believed to be broken, are submitted to yet a third branch of government to try to resolve whether laws were broken, and even whether they were just laws. by design, we have chosen to put the burden of proof on the accuser and the prosecutor and to presume the innocence of the accused unless he or she is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. benjamin franklin, borrowing from jurist william blackstone said bertha 100 guilty persons should escape than one innocent suffer, and that's reflected in our system being weighted in favor of the accused. if there are no heroes, there are some villains. the media deserves to be excoriated for their role in inventing many parts of the narrative before the facts and evidence were even presented. thank god the press is not a true fourth branch of government. they emphasize race because

trayvon martin was black, but they weren't honest in saying george zimmerman was his panic. should they claim he is half hispanic, then be equally honest saying barack obama is only half black, and that if he had a son, he really wouldn't look like trayvon martin. the facts in the case as presented in the court under oath were far different than the heated comments spewed by al sharpton and others that call more attention to themselves than they did to the tragedy. now, if a march needs to happen, maybe it ought to happen in chicago where the murder rate for black males leads the nation, almost one half the nation's murder victims are black, and a majority of them between the ages of 17 and 29. black people account for just over 13% of the u.s. population, and yet they were the victims of almost 50% of all the murders, and 93% of black murder victims

were killed by other black people. we don't have a race problem so much as we have a grace problem. our culture declares that people are expendable and disposable. we treat others with coarse, harsh content, we don't need a race summit, we need a grace summit. and god is still in the grace business. joining me now, two spiritual leaders here to discuss the impact of this case, and why it has evoked such strong reactions. dr.al in vitro a king, and niece of martin luther king junior, and the founder of simon wise enthat you will center and museum of tolerance. dr. king, rab brabbi, plesh you are -- pleasure to have you here. tell me, do you see this case was blown out of proportion in

regards to race or is this an honest and even a deserved reaction and a necessary reaction from the african-american community? >> governor, as i listened to your dialogue as you explained everything so thoroughly, i can only agree with you. as an african-american woman, as a mother, i do know and sympathize how the mother and father must feel. and so trayvon's deems have been buried with him. and of course, that's a very sensitive point, sensitive issues. as an african-american woman, i read my bible. my bible tells me mercy triumphs over justice, and that we're taught to love justice and love mercy, and walk humbly before our god. that's what i'm asking, not just as an african-american, not just as a woman, as an american, as a christian. i had a young man at church say

to me this morning oh, i'm so sad, i'm so distressed. i said this is the time to pray and turn to god, not to retaliation and not to violence. and that's going to be very important that message that you're giving. in the case of mr. zimmerman as well, i know his family was impacted. the whole nation has been impacted by these actions. this is a time i can hear my father, my uncle martin luther king junior saying do not resort to violence. let us with reason turn to peaceful solutions, and in that way, trayvon's life also would not have been in vain. >> rabbi, if you could speak to the fact that this has clearly been a divisive trial for the nation, and people have taken sides in a way that really don't reflect the fact this was a local issue involving a couple of people that ordinarily

wouldn't have made the news. speak to what do we learn from it, what do we need to do as a country to not make everything a point of racial polarity. >> first, let me say this, i didn't watch, i can't say i watched every hour of the trial, but i did watch. i got a good feel. any country would be privileged to have such a free judicial system as the united states of america. nobody on the defense or on the prosecution can say that this was stolen justice, that there was something blatantly unfair about the trial. it is tragic, a young man lost his life. it should not have happened. it need not have happened. but it did. and the question is where we go from here.

every day at the museum of tolerance we deal with survivors. every one of those survivors have the most tragic story you could imagine. some lost their children, their wives, they found the best way to rebuild their lives is by not allowing the tragedy that they've experienced to take over their lives. every day they talk about their experiences. but they talk with an idea of trying to rebuild the world, not to live constantly in the world of aush wits and my advice now, of course, the trayvon martin family is living with that tragedy, but the best way to rebuild their lives and not to feel that their lives are shattered forever is to do something positive, to encourage tolerance.

not to encourage violence. the worst thing in the world that can happen as a result of this trial is to see riots in the streets when we've had the freest trial that any country in the world could put on. >> let me just real quickly, dr. king, ask you, i need to keep it about 30 seconds because we're running out of time, can good come out of all of this? because right now there's so much anger and frustration. can good come out of this, and how? >> governor, we must have the courage to do what you and the rabbi just said, to speak reason, to speak the love and peace that needs to accompany this, and to encourage people to build upon this, to learn not to make the same mistakes in the future, and certainly i pray with the family of trayvon martin and i'm praying over the whole situation. >> dr. king, rabbi hier, thank

you both for being here tonight. appreciate it very much. up next, naacp leaders reject the jury verdict. they're calling on attorney general eric holder to run to the rescue. we will discuss it next. i'd like to hear from you. go to mikehuckabee.com. tell me what you think on the leave feedback section. or sign up for my facebook page and follow me on twitter. find a link to that and more at mikehuckabee.com. [ dog barks ] i want to treat mo dogs. ♪ our business needs more cases. [ male announcer ] where do you want to take your business? i need help selling art. [ male announcer ] from broadband to web hosting to mobile apps, small business solutions from at&t have the security you need to get you there. call us. we can show you how at&t solutions can help you do what you do... even better. ♪

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not rest until racial profiling in all its forms is outlawed. now, just this afternoon the department of justice also issued a statement indicating they would continue what they claim has been an on-going investigation of the case. joining me now, columnist and author of the book negrophilia. and fox news contributor and civil rights attorney. glad to have you bolt here. eric, are you surprised about naacp's reaction to the verdict? >> no, i am not surprised at their reaction, although i do find it somewhat audacious. it's sort of sad in a way because it will facilitate this continuing to be an issue of race, when it really never was

an issue of race. they're going on that track with the civil rights, department of justice and so forth, and i think it is really disingenuous. i could go on and on about them trying to remain relevant in this current climate, but what really concerns me is that so many groups with an agenda have been able to drive people to these extreme positions of hate, making this a racial issue, when there never was a racial issue to start with. >> tamera, speak to the fact that the naacp has now called for a justice department investigation. looks like they're going to get it. is that a good thing, a bad thing, is it fair, is it right? speak to it. >> sure. well, i think that it is fair because there was already an open investigation, now you have a criminal case that's closed, and definitely they can look at

facts that were presented at trial that maybe they didn't know about, and other facts that were presented at trial, and determine whether or not they should proceed. that said, i think naacp is ridiculous in this statement. civil rights isn't only about race, black and white, it is also about gender, men and women, man and woman. and i think that the fact that you have somebody like al sharpton, who i have known and respected saying this is a slap in the face, the verdict is a slap in the face, you're talking about justice, death before dishonor. women took a vow, an oath, that they were going to listen to the evidence and make a decision. the fact that these people, the naacp, al sharpton and others do not respect the verdict and respect these women is a civil rights issue in and of itself. >> i will read the statement, part of the statement the president issued this afternoon. part of it says this. we should ask ourselves if we're

doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across the country on a daily basis. we should ask ourselves and as society how to prevent future tragedies like this. as a citizen, that's a job for all of us. that's the way to honor trayvon martin. the president brought in whether we needed stricter gun laws, stem the tide of gun violence. erik, is this appropriate injection of the president of the united states in a criminal case in a local area in sanford, florida? >> well, it definitely isn't, particularly when you have things going on like you do in chicago where it is practically like dodge city, young black men are dropping like flies. then going to the stab at the second amendment, of course, it was somewhat cloaked. given the president's track record, i'm not that surprised,

you know. once again what saddens me, there are so many people here with so many different agendas that have used this for either personal, financial, or political agrand isment, that would include the president and some other folks you mentioned, al sharpton, naacp. when you said in the beginning, you pointed out that this is the tragedy, and i think that as a people, we are really above that, even if our press and our president and a lot of our prominent, you know, political and social figures are not. >> tamara, you represented people in civil rights cases. curious of your view. will department of justice find anything in the trayvon martin case to cause them to believe the civil rights of trayvon martin were violated? >> you know, i worked like you said, i worked in the inner-city

in chicago, have seen civil rights cases, seen the abuses that many people experience. that being said, you know, i don't think that there's really anything there, although the -- no side was able to call it racial profiling in the trial, the judge ruled we could only say profiling, not racial profiling. i still think we're talking about a guy that was hypersensitive, who was very concerned, and we don't know what happened at that very moment, but the jury found him not guilty, and that he was reasonable in his killing of trayvon martin. that being said, i just don't see where the race issue is with him. i think the problem is the police investigation, not that george zimmerman was a racist, but the police, the way they acted in this situation, the way they failed to investigate is very disturbing to me, and we see that all across the country.

>> thank you both, erik, tamara, appreciate you being here. up next, famed attorney alan dershowitz will explain why he thinks the prosecutors in the case should be disbarred. that's next. my name is lee kaufman.

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should be held accountable for the crime. >> how could they say not guilty for anything? this man did not follow the law. >> murdering children in sanford. >> those are some of the sounds that were happening immediately after the verdict last night. joining me now, harvard law

professor alan dershowitz by skype. sorry to interrupt time with your family on the weekend. i want to ask your reaction to the department of justice release today that they are going to be looking at this as perhaps civil rights violations. is that to answer the public pressure or is there good reason for them to be concerned about civil rights violations here? >> in general, the justice department does not investigate civil rights violations committed by one individual against another, unless that individual works for the state or the federal government. a violation of civil rights usually involves the state, the government violating someone's civil rights. george zimmerman can't really alone violate civil rights of an individual, even if he were to be guilty of the crime. there ought to be justice department investigation, but ought to be on prosecutor cory. she really violated civil rights in this case. what she did is she filed a false affidavit in front of the

judge in order to get a second degree murder charge. she failed to tell the judge that there were photographs and failed to show the photographs that demonstrated that zimmerman's nose had been broken, that he had wounds on the back of his head. she mislead the judge into giving her an older charge, second degree murder charge, against zimmerman. that's a true violation of civil rights, and the rest of the case is relatively routine. there was reasonable doubt written all over this case. to this day, nobody knows who struck the first blow. and that's already reasonable doubt. nobody knows who yelled out "help me." nobody can be absolutely sure who was on top and who was on bottom. evidence overwhelmingly suggests that trayvon martin was on top, and was banging the head of zimmerman against concrete, thereby risking his life or certainly risking permanent injury. that doesn't sound like a civil

rights violation. that sounds like a classic case of self defense. >> and the idea you said that you thought the prosecutor ought to be disbarred, that's a pretty serious type of violation to get a person disbarred. it is that serious to you. >> right, it is. she submitted an affidavit that was completely misleading. she violated all kinds of rules of the profession, and her conduct, criminal conduct. she has a horrible reputation in florida, known for overcharging, known for being highly political. in this case, of course she overcharged. halfway through the trial realized she wasn't getting a second degree verdict, then went for manslaughter. then said she would charge him with child abuse and felony murder. that was such a stretch that it

goes beyond anything professionally responsible. she was among the most irresponsible prosecutors i've seen in 50 years of litigating cases, and believe me, i've seen good prosecutors, bad prosecutors, but rarely have i seen one as bad as this prosecutor, cory. >> i have a feeling there's going to be some examples coming up in your law classes at harvard involving this case. speaking of your law practice, you have dealt with a lot of high profile, celebrity clients. this case has brought such infamy to george zimmerman, if you were advising him how to start putting his life back together in the aftermath of what is this international publicity, what are some steps he needs to take to just have a semblance of normal life again? >> well, i can tell you i certainly advised clause vonn buhl oh to disappear, he went to england and disappeared, that served him well. o.j. simpson didn't do that. o.j. simpson forced himself onto

the public that wasn't interested in seeing him at all. i would hope that george zimmerman would disappear from view and just try to rebuild his life. as far as prosecutor cory is concerned, i would invite her to my class, let her justify her conduct in front of my students. when i accused her of misconduct early in the case, she complained to the dean of harvard law school, and asked that i be disciplined for criticizing her. just the other day, she fired one of her people because he blew the whistle on her misconduct. so she has engaged in this kind of tyrannical suppression of criticism against her, you know, and every american is in danger when we have prosecutors like her who don't obey the law, who follow political pressures. we're the only country in the world that elects prosecutors and elects judges. a case like this would never have been brought in any other country. they never even would have brought charges. it was such an obvious case f

self defense, and there was obvious reasonable doubt. and the only reason this case ever came in front of a jury was because of political pressures that were brought by groups of people who were dissatisfied with the first investigation and with the fact that a responsible prosecutor and responsible police force decided there was reasonable doubt, and that the state could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that george zimmerman did not engage in classic self defense. >> alan, appreciate hearing from you. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. lis wheel and recommend ee spencer were with me last night before the verdict. we recap. stay with us. were with me last the verdict. we recap. stay with us. you know throughout history, folks have suffered from frequent heartburn.

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family died. cory monteith passed away. an autopsy is expected tomorrow. he played finn hudson on "glee." he was found dead in a hotel room in vancouver. a few months ago he voluntarily checked in for substance addiction. police ruled out foul play. cory monteith was 31 years old. 30 people killed in iraq, the country has the worst violence in seven years. coordinated bombings and attacks before the evening meal which end the day long fast during range of motion don. we will get back to live "huckabee." r. we will get back to live "huckabee." a. we will get back to live "huckabee." ram. we will get back to live "huckabee." a. we will get back to live "huckabee." d. we will get back to live "huckabee." a. we will get back to live "huckabee." n. we will get back to live "huckabee." back with me from last night, lis wiehl, fox news legal analyst and former prosecutor, and remi expenspencer.

we all saw the dramatic verdict after we had gone off the air. want to get reaction, lis, first from you. seems there was builterness on the part of one of the defense attorneys and the prosecutors. was that a surprise to see them sort of unload in the press conference following? >> i think it was surprising to see the defense unload when he said the prosecution was quote unquote a disgrace, disgraceful. haven't seen that before from a defense attorney. but look, they were happy, they were excited, and i don't really blame them. they had the better case. the prosecution came out defending themselves, ironic when you're the precution. they were always defending themselves, all from the beginning of the trial, when you turned on the tv, looked at the prosecution, many, many times looking at the state case, i thought it was a defense case itself. >> remi, you heard alan dershowitz, he was not, let's just say he was not even gracious about his excoriating

views of the prosecutor. do you share the views that the prosecutor went way over the line in this case? >> well, the prosecutor has an obligation and duty to investigate. if they believe there's probable cause, they have to investigate. i certainly don't know if mr. dershowitz is correct. i don't know if there was truly political pressure and that's the only reason the case went to trial. i tell you this, governor, if that's the case, that's the crime here, and that is really a problem with our system, because the prosecutor's office is charged with obligation to protect and serve, and it is not to get conviction, but remember justice is defined by a fair process. making sure that the jury sifts through the evidence and that at the end of the trial, the verdict they reach, whether guilty or not guilty, as long as the process is fair, that's what justice means. i would like to say one thing about what the lawyers were saying yesterday. i think we need to give them a bit of a break because at the end of a very high profile trial

and the stress that they're under, they may have poorly spoken, may not have chosen their words perfectly, but i think that they were relieved on both sides that it was done. >> to be fair to the prosecution, they had some things, didn't have enough beyond a reasonable doubt, should never have charged second degree murder, should have started with manslaughter, then maybe thinking about self defense from the beginning. to be fair to them, they have a young man, a young boy dead, an unarmed boy dead, as the prosecutor said in rebuttal. all trayvon martin was doing in the last four minutes of life was trying to go home. so they have that. they have the 911 call, have the things zimmerman said on the phone which were horrendous things. they have the previous 911 calls. they had some things to go forward with. did they overcharge? yes. but i can see from the prosecutor's standpoint that they at least should -- frankly, they should have brought it to a grand jury, let them decide.

>> a grand jury exists to ensure the defendant is not brought to trial without probable cause. you know, in this case, one of the very unique things about this criminal trial is that the defense called several of the state's witnesses in the defense of mr. zimmerman, and in most cases, a defense attorney would never need or want to do that. and in this case we had law enforcement, detectives testifying for the defense. that's what really rings uncomfortable if you will, and may form the basis of a malicious prosecution case. >> that's going forward, yes. >> right. but don't forget, there are -- >> ten seconds for each of you. hold on, i have to wrap it up. ten seconds from each of you. both of you said you thought it would be not guilty verdict. were you kind of relieved, satisfied, in a whew when it was all over? >> i was, i don't believe the state met its burden. that's not to say that mr. zimmerman is innocent, but the evidence didn't support the

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beginning in 2014, the irs is supposed to start enforcing obama care by requiring businesses and taxpayers to prove that they met the law's employer and individual mandate. now, this is the same irs that's targeted conservative groups seeking tax exempt status. this is the same irs that spent $50 million on conferences that included line dances and star trek videos. republicans in congress feel that same irs has no business getting involved in your health care, and they've introduced a bill called keep irs off your health care act. that's expected to be voted on before the house goes into recess in august. texas congressman louie gohmert is a sponsor of the bill. i spoke to him earlier and asked

how the bill prevents the irs from getting our health records. >> we need the bill to require that they not touch our health care records. we've seen what they've done with conservative organizations' records. as you know, it has just been disclosed in the past week or so that they may have released 100,000 social security numbers, largely from conservative organizations, donors. these people cannot be trusted. tom has a great bill, he came up with this, and we all feel the same way, and actually, governor, you know how much sometimes i have been opposed to what my leaders in my party have felt was appropriate, but i am thrilled that the feeling in our party across the board is let's cut the irs budget at least 24%. a lot are howling, but that's a way to start. >> i don't think you would have a lot of opposition from our audience for sure, but what about the prospects for it actually passing not only the

house but the senate, and will some democrats, louie, support this? >> i think there will be some democrats that will be afraid not to support it, and the odds of it passing the senate are directly proportional to the backbone of our republican leaders. if our leaders will stand strong, say no, we have watched the abuse for too long, and if you don't allow us to cut the irs, all this waste, at least 24%, then we're going to hang line dancing and star trek videos around your neck in the next election. you do what's right here, let's cut out this waste, fraud and abuse of the irs. we know you're in love with the irs, democrats in the senate, but you better come through on this one, or you may not be in the senate next time. >> i think that's a good point to be made with them. i don't know of anybody that thinks that the irs is their pal and their buddy. a lot of people are truly ticked

off after they were caught red handed, admitted they targeted conservative groups, nobody has been punished, nobody has been held accountable. >> nobody. >> and i know if people in our audience, if they don't pay their taxes, they don't just get to say excuse me, i intended to, but no harm done. doesn't get to work like that. so let's talk about the effect of the bill. how much -- >> governor, could i -- >> yes, go ahead. >> well, they do have one group of buddies, and we know that because we found out this year there was an executive order by the president back in 2010 that required the national treasury employees union leaders to be consulted in private discussions that were not recorded, kept private, and those were to be had before any decisions were made by the irs on important matters, so the irs does have some good friends. they're the leaders of a union that hates conservatives, hates

tea party people, and goes after the big bulk of people paying taxes. that's the one set of friends they do have. >> what i was going to ask you, what would the effect of this bill be on obama care, how much would it limit obama care from being implemented, would it slow it down or bring it to a grinding halt? >> well, it should help bring it to a halt, but we do need to defund so many of the things that are in there. i want to defund the whole thing, then get it repealed, but the way we can do that, no money gets spent by any agency, any department on any program unless congress first authorizes it and appropriates it. the senate cannot do it by itself. although this president has shown tendencies toward monarchy, where he doesn't like immigration law, so as i speak, so shall it be, in this case, surely the republican leaders in the house would stand strongly enough to say mr. president, you cannot violate the constitution, we're not funding the irs doing

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>> according to a report from the "washington post" this year the military completed a state of the art 64,000 square foot headquarters building in southwest afghanistan. it cost our defense department

$34 million. there's only one little problem. military has no plans to use it. with u.s. forces handing over security to the afghans and expecting to withdraw under 10,000 troops to the country by the end of next year it doesn't make a lot of sense. earlier i spoke to peter schweitzer head of the institute he wrote a book called "throw them all out." i asked why the military would throw that kind of money into a facility it is not going to use. >> when you use the term military the sense that we always have are the brave men and women serving in uniforms in countries. the reality is the military also has an enormous component at the pentagon it has contractors there's a lot of money that gets thrown around. part of this is a story about

waist. they a -- waste. it's also a problem of what i call krohn kneecap talli-- kroco nobody really cares whether the thing has any use or not. that's what i think happened in this particular case. >> you in your book really outline just how extensive this whole i guess hand holding is between government and contractors. there are a lot of people getting just disgustingly rich with government contracts. so how extensive is it? >> it's a huge problem, governor. if you or somebody who works at the pentagon or you work at the department of health and human services and you are a government employee you are going to have a lot of contraac with people who can make a lot of money based on decisions you have made. often times what happens is what they call the revolving door.

somebody is at the pentagon a civilian employee writing contracts to build warehouses. guess what? they leave their government job they go to work for who? a company that makes warehouses or a broker that initiates the construction deal. there is this revolving door. and when you have government employees who are handing out literally billions upon billions of dollars that can make or break a company they become very attractive for this kind of krohn kneecap tallism problem. i think it's oon enormous problem it's something we associate with only certain parts of the government. the reality is it's only a problem with the military. you are looking at 10's of billions of dollars a year that are completely and totally wasted by the department of defense because of this kind of problem. >> i want to talk about how they found a shocking loophole in the bill. >> we have a report coming out monday. i am going to give you an early preview.

the senate bill specifically says that companies hiring illegals the documentation provided by the illegals to get the status in the united states cannot be used against the employers. that is shocking. what it is saying governor is basically companies who have played by the rules who have not hired illegals who are adding competitive disadvantage to begin with are going to be penalized. the rule breakers are going to have the slate wiped clean. that is shocking. i think it goes to a deeper problem not just about this immigration bill but it goes to issues like the financial crisis and every where where we have in this country increasingly this fact that people who break the law or take excessive risks get a retake they get a redo of the expense of people doing it all along. >> in essence a business owner who has played by the rules

hired only legal people, he has to ensure all of his people under obama care, but the person who didn't play by the rules who had illegals who didn't provide any benefits for them now is not only allowed to call them legal, but he doesn't have to provide obama care because they are in that transition, so there's really a double benefit to the people who have been hiring illegals, wouldn't there be? >> yes. absolutely. what you said about obama care is absolutely true. it also deals with taxes. if i hire for example american citizens i pay taxes for that person, social security, medicaid, et cetera,nd i have to take that out and handle it. if i have that job and i pay them less in cash i am not paying any of those taxes. that is actually tax fraud. but with this bill if this bill passes it's essentially saying those companies engaged in the tax fraud paying people under the table not paying taxes that

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