it's thursday night and this is at la r0 from southampton in place. welcome your hottest night. joe farrow . yes, we're night. joe farrow. yes, we're here it's farage 8 hours. we're in southampton the birthplace, of course, of our prime minister, because the budget today i want to find out for his audience what are they thinking about this cynical activist, delusional pessimist that we're going to get their reactions , going to get their reactions, lots of thought, loads of analysis . first, let's get the analysis. first, let's get the news with tamsin roberts . nigel, news with tamsin roberts. nigel, thank . good evening from the gb

thank. good evening from the gb newsroom. the chancellor's delivered his plans to get the economy back on track as he acknowledges the uk's already in recession as . part of acknowledges the uk's already in recession as. part of his autumn statement jeremy hunt has reduced this for the higher rate of income tax from £150,000 to just over 125,000. the state benefits and tax credits will rise in line inflation by more than 10. millions households will pay more energy bills from april , the typical bill rising april, the typical bill rising from two and a half thousand pounds to 3000 as the government reduces . the level of support reduces. the level of support and energy firms will be hit with an expanded windfall tax 35, up from 25. the chancellor has vowed to protect the poorest and believes his plan will help rebuild the economy . what can we rebuild the economy. what can we do with .7 our plan for stability do with.7 our plan for stability in.7 our plan for growth? well in? our plan for growth? well the office for budget

responsibility , which is an responsibility, which is an independent organisation , they independent organisation, they say that what we're will reduce the impact that fall in living standards by next year. so we are helping every bit as much as we can and we're also saying to people that as we do that we're protecting the public services really matter. the nhs schools , really matter. the nhs schools, all the things that are going to help us get through to the other side and become a really dynamic economy, which is what all want . well, following the statement, shadow chancellor rachel reeves accused the concern motives of failing to learn from decisions made over the past decade . this made over the past decade. this government has forced our economy a doom loop where. low growth leads to higher taxes, lower investment and squeezed wages with running down of pubuc wages with running down of public services , all of which public services, all of which puts growth again . and instead puts growth again. and instead of learning from the mistakes of the last decade, the simply them, we need to break free from

this vicious cycle of stagnation with , fairer choices, and a with, fairer choices, and a proper plan . economic growth . proper plan. economic growth. household disposable incomes heading for their biggest fall on record, according to the office for budget responsibility . the obe also says that once rising prices are taken into account , people's incomes would account, people's incomes would drop by 7% in the next two fiscal years. the government's forecaster also living standards won't recover to last year's levels for six years. to america and nancy pelosi has stepped down as speaker of the us of representatives . her representatives. her announcement comes after the democrat lost the house to the republican hands in the midterm elections . the republicans will elections. the republicans will swear in the new speaker in january next year, nancy pelosi , will stay in congress as. january next year, nancy pelosi , will stay in congress as . a , will stay in congress as. a backbench lawmaker and with great confidence in our caucus, i will not seek re—election. two

democratic leadership in the next congress for the hours come for a new generation to lead the democratic caucus that i so deeply respect . groundhog lies deeply respect. groundhog lies at london's heathrow airport will begin a 72 hour strike from tomorrow in dispute over pay. the unite union says the strike action is by workers . aviation action is by workers. aviation services firm . it'll affect services firm. it'll affect a range of airlines and disrupt a number of flights from terminals to three and four tv online a day , b plus rte2. this is gb day, b plus rte2. this is gb news. now it's back to nigel in southampton southampton . southampton southampton. good evening . we're here live in good evening. we're here live in south hams and of course, the

city that is the birthplace of our current prime minister. who knows how long one will last ? knows how long one will last? why do we choose tonight for southampton to react to the budget? well i'll tell you why. very simple . this city has , the very simple. this city has, the highest number of small independent businesses per capha. independent businesses per capita . any city in the united capita. any city in the united kingdom. the private sector here is busy. is active. also since 2019, samantha taken a much bigger hit than cities. living standards . before the recession standards. before the recession begins have fallen by 6. you see, the point is, folks , if see, the point is, folks, if you're in the public sector , if you're in the public sector, if you're in the public sector, if you're in the civil service , you you're in the civil service, you haven't actually paid anything for the pandemic. but everybody is. and the bill came in today. there are eye—watering, taxing leases between now and 2028 for those that are working the working population being asked to pay for the pandemic. i look back on it now and think, well, sweden didn't lockdown

completely . florida and the ron completely. florida and the ron desantis didn't lockdown . we desantis didn't lockdown. we did. and i a feeling taxpayers are going be picking up this tab for many many years to come to me. well he talks about spending cuts today . nothing very cuts today. nothing very specific there . i'm going to specific there. i'm going to recommend a spending cut. spending cut. we could take. that would make no difference . that would make no difference. growth in our economy . would you growth in our economy. would you to spend 100 billion quid on a train line between london and manchester just train line between london and manchesterjust so train line between london and manchester just so that businessmen and women can have one more aperitif before their lunch ? london. that's not that lunch? london. that's not that i'm against that sort of thing. you understand. get rid hs2. there'll be no need tax cuts. what? s0 ever . the there'll be no need tax cuts. what? s0 ever. the implications for small business. this is my view. there's a war launched against . the little man view. there's a war launched against. the little man and little woman. this in the shape of sunak and hunt. they're on

the side of the big global industries. they're not on side of people in cities this that are going out and doing their own thing and taking risk. i think this a completely rotten budget . i think this a completely rotten budget. i think to go into this with big tax rises as go into and the obe after they confer we're in recession is mistake. before i to liam halligan our economics editor, what about the audience a hands up of hands down who is happy with today's budget ? down who is happy with today's budget? hands up. i down who is happy with today's budget? hands up . i cover budget? hands up. i cover there's always while and surely surely go , go. oh who is unhappy surely go, go. oh who is unhappy with ? the budget and who is with? the budget and who is undecided ? right. well, we have undecided? right. well, we have a very audience, i think it's fair to say. is that and liam halligan i came into politics having run my own business nine years. i remember months when i

paid the staff more than was paid. you know, you get good times are bad times in business. just run through what has happened to britain's and a half million small businesses and sole traders today will small and medium enterprises knowledge or the backbone our economy. the engine room of the world's six biggest economy. these smes. a lot of smes have taken today a hit in the form of a six percentage point rise in corporation tax from 19 to 25, a 30% rise. given a lot of these small and medium sized businesses have been hammered dunng businesses have been hammered during lockdown , clinging on, during lockdown, clinging on, deaung during lockdown, clinging on, dealing with massive energy bills, dealing higher staff costs, dealing with huge supply chain pressures . these are chain pressures. these are businesses that haven't got the in the supply chain, the buying to get a sweetheart deal , in the supply chain, the buying to get a sweetheart deal, as a lot of the big businesses have. they have to absorb the cost pressures they can't always pass them on and now they've taken a big in terms of corporation big hit in terms of corporation tax. the same time nigel a lot

ordinary men and women are particularly big income are going to be dragged into tax brackets . the starting rate of brackets. the starting rate of income tax is about 12 and a half grand. that's going to where it is until 2028, dragging in two or 3 million more low income workers six years. absolutely. at the same time you've got the 50 grand roughly a top rate of tax over which you pay a top rate of tax over which you pay 40, again, two and a half million extra people are going to dragged into that. yeah middle ranking teachers and nurses . they're not well—paid . nurses. they're not well—paid. the inheritance tax threshold is staying where it is until 2028. it's been 325 grand since 2009, almost 20 years. you want to leave your house to your kid . leave your house to your kid. and obviously that threshold is the main threshold that impacts you. at the same time, i think we've had a forecast from that over we are in recession now

officially according to the opr , no other big economy. nigel raising taxes to this extent into the teeth of a slowdown . into the teeth of a slowdown. and what worries me it's all about trust between individuals . people running their own businesses. people trying to make ends meet every day . and make ends meet every day. and the states what we've seen today i'm afraid from sunak a sum of this town and jeremy hunt's we've seen an awful lot of stealth tax is not open and honest about the to which taxes are arising and then we've seen spending cuts which are unspecified in terms timing or depart . this is not the way to depart. this is not the way to manage an economy has to upfront and open with british public you have to treat them like adults. and i think today we were for fools somebody working . say fools somebody working. say somebody working doing what in their job somebody working doing what in theirjob earning 45 somebody working doing what in their job earning 45 50,000 a yeah their job earning 45 50,000 a year. how much more tax would they pay in 2028 compared to

now? if you pay if, you're on. if you're lucky enough to be well, let's say let's take 33 grand, which is the average wage in country . it's grand, which is the average wage in country. it's a grand, which is the average wage in country . it's a pretty in this country. it's a pretty good if you're on 33 grand. good wage if you're on 33 grand. the freezing of tax thresholds on current inflation assumptions dragging you in. means that between now and 2028 you will pay between now and 2028 you will pay an extra two and a half thousand pounds on income tax. that's a huge amount of money, right? you can buy a car for your kid , right? you can have your kid, right? you can have a family holiday , a lifetime on family holiday, a lifetime on that money that's just been taken away you today. if taken away from you today. if you e £50,000, again you are £50,000, nigel, again using the inflation assumptions that the obama's given us today , then you will pay an extra six and a half thousand pounds now and a half thousand pounds now and 2028 just on your income . and 2028 just on your income. then there's all the other additional that have come in today. so this is a big tax grab already . at the beginning of already. at the beginning of today, we the highest tax burden taxes share of our national income since the early 1950s since labour's government under

clement attlee and now between now and over the next five year period, the trajectory of this autumn statement , the tax burden autumn statement, the tax burden is going to get even higher. are we paying for the lockdown? i think a lot of this obviously there's a cost of living crisis. everyone in, this room knows that, everyone watching and to gb knows that there is gb news knows that there is a cost living crisis. the obe also that inflation is going to average 9.1% this year and it's still going to be very high 7.2% next year. so there's more cost of living rises to come. but of course we suffering from the fact that we locked so deeply and so heavily in this country and so heavily in this country and we need to be honest and open about that. i agree. and i don't think rishi or jeremy hunt don't think rishi orjeremy hunt are open and honest . no, i have are open and honest. no, i have to. just quickly, liam marks out of ten for the budget. oh three and a half at best. of ten for the budget. oh three and a half at best . at best. and a half at best. at best. three and a half. a moment

coming into the lion's den is leader of the local conservative group on southampton council. dan i think the audience might have just one or two questions for him. so in a moment, go .

oh okay . s0 oh okay . so some of your oh okay. so some of your thoughts from home. karl says this is all charity 2.0. i like this. if we wanted labour government, we'd have voted for one. and yes, they're both tax spend policies. another view picks up on a very important point. they hid the fuel hike. they didn't just admit it. they intentionally hid it. this is deception . on a scale from deception. on a scale from government that should not be

ignored if they lie about that , ignored if they lie about that, more serious things do. they lie about. well, cost of lockdown might just be one of them, in my opinion. and finally simon says so hardworking people once again pay so hardworking people once again pay for those who don't work. not can't work. is a reference to the fact that there are 5.4 million people of working age in britain today. not working . britain today. not working. nearly half of them are on long term disability see benefits. without wishing sound mean i. just don't believe they're all genuine. i think there are a lot of people, frankly, skiving off and those that go out to work and those that go out to work and work long hours and, run their businesses increasingly picking up the tab for this. now joining me joining me is councillor dan fitzhenry, the leader of the conservative here on southampton city council. this is a very marginal place. one conservative seat, one

labour seat. you guys were in charge of a city council. now you're not. how do you think ? you're not. how do you think? and of the 50 cities of this country , the one that has the country, the one that has the biggest number per capita, a private independ businesses. how you think they're feeling after hunfs you think they're feeling after hunt's budget ? well, i think the hunt's budget? well, i think the first thing is people are naturally under the pressure on in public life, in private life, in public life, in private life, in all sorts life. very, very difficult circumstance . and i difficult circumstance. and i think today people will be going that the governments have to make tough decisions and that they want more. actually, right now we need to get on with the job which is what think the job which is what i think the government is doing in terms of the price energy price caps the price of energy price caps and environment and creating an environment where we can actually see a way out this and nothing that out of this and nothing that the chancellor was very clear stability growth public stability growth and public services investment over the next years and moving next few years and moving forward. not an easy forward. this is not an easy scenario. nigel you know, it's a very difficult scenario. it isn't. it's not. it isn't. dan i mean, it's not. it isn't. dan i mean, it's not. it isn't. government 55 isn't. the government is. 55 days ago, we your government give us the biggest tax cutting

budget our lives. and now we've the biggest tax raising of our lives. i mean you're all over the shop, aren't you? i don't think so. i think i think we had a we had a prime minister was elected that didn't work that prime minister has resigned. we now have a new minister, an unelected prime minister prime minister in. what minister that has come in. what does you say about does that say? you say about this is the know we have a mandate from the 29 election, 19 elections, and we want to get on and deliver that we are conservatives believe in approach we are conservative and so let's clarify that so high tax big state and launch war on small businesses. is because i don't think there's a war on small businesses. let's think about this. i don't i think i tell you as somebody who's been small businessman for much of my life before and media, i this very strongly. you've increased corporation tax by 30% right you have increased with the you've increased dividends you've increased dividends you've increased you've increased dividend taxes . you've lowered dividend taxes. you've lowered all the levels at which people

start to pay dividend tax , start to pay dividend tax, capital gains tax and of all the isle five rules, which are so damaging to people out whether they're lorry drivers , computer they're lorry drivers, computer programmers. you know i chaired when kwarteng said those rules will be reviewed you've now them into touch. this is this really is frankly kick in the teeth for small businesses and for independent service providers . independent service providers. now i think this is a scenario where we are coming out of they're coming out of a pandemic that we all know government have to step in with covid support. we have to lock down again . we have to lock down again. again, i'm not here to through the lockdowns, ins and outs. i'm here to ask you to answer your questions about what locally is going on in southampton. i know that. fair enough. well i think what we are paying now for the cost of support which we cost of the support which we would ritchie sunak was very would and ritchie sunak was very clear that there clear as chancellor that there would did say would be costs come. he did say that. we do want that that. now we do want that scenario. get on grow

scenario. we want to get on grow business. i've spent my life like you rising and falling, grow businesses. know what grow businesses. i know what it's and a city. that's it's like and as a city. that's what we are very proud that we have large number of people what we are very proud that we havestartede number of people what we are very proud that we havestarted duringer of people what we are very proud that we havestarted during thef people that started during the pandemic. this is this is one of the great features of there are so many independently minded people here that want to get up off their backsides, take a risk . yeah, and i admire that. yeah admire. know what, dad? admire. but you know what, dad? if i was a 25 year old now with a really good idea that i thought could make lot of thought i could make a lot of money, i thought could do money, and i thought i could do much on zoom without much of it on zoom without needing you know, be in needing to, you know, be in southampton or london every i think move to portugal or think i'd move to portugal or italy where offering me italy where they're offering me tax to go. my tax and incentives to go. my worry, genuine we're going worry, my genuine is we're going to brain drain this to have a brain drain this country. it happened in the seventies a labour seventies under a labour government over us. can you government that over us. can you tell me economically , is there tell me economically, is there now any difference in terms of the impact on people's lives here in southampton as to whether we have rachael reeves as chancellor or jeremy ? well, as chancellor or jeremy? well, absolutely. and i can tell you

locally what that would mean as well from my council perspective. well, firstly, we are conservatives that believe in low taxes fundamental position right now. that is that is the baseline laughable? it's not it's not we are dealing with the outcome of , the covid the outcome of, the covid pandemic and supply central and as the chancellor said today, a scenario by the invasion of ukraine that's fundamentals that we're inflation we're dealing with inflation should increase. and i really but in southampton baby i can answer this easier go on what i call when we run the council and of the people that live here we froze council tax labour will put it up when. we ran the council, we froze for council, we froze rents for people this year they will put them we scrapped them up. we scrapped evening parking people parking charges for people coming labour coming into. our city labour have put them back up. we froze service charges in service charges for people in our . labour put them our estates. labour put them back you the things i can back up. so you the things i can control that we are control of we were very clear and i accept point down totally but you know you are part of i am part of a national national political party. one of the first things hunt said was the bank of england has done an outstanding

they absolutely they have been absolutely catastrophic and inflation was here ukraine. now i to get in by the way thank you for coming into the hot seat today because you know i want to show the audience are less than chuffed by the budget but i want to get one or two of your thoughts from the questions perhaps the audience questions perhaps that a hand that you've got as a hand up over that. just a moment. a microphone is coming. you if you would stand and introduce would stand up and introduce yourself. moment as chris yourself. that moment as chris when cynical gave out the handouts for the lockdown he including the self—employed and now he's actually he was pressured into giving it to the self—employed and now he's really screw in a pocket out of a it's outrageous . yeah chris a it's outrageous. yeah chris i get your point you know the last people the list to help during lockdown small independent businesses people you know acting as directors of their own limited companies which millions

of people do and chris point is this war against the self—employed and small businesses just goes on and it's almost two a lot of people of a certain who lived through the eighties etc. it's almost income principle but it's a party that calls itself conservative that is stifling enterprise . well is stifling enterprise. well i think the start is during the pandemic we had the covid relief support that came . and of support that came. and of course, the first priority was to protect the large number of people that were employed. that was a huge challenge . and the was a huge challenge. and the government moved at a huge pace to. there are a number of challenges with the self—employed i one those self—employed i was one of those people writing employees people writing to employees talking mp but it more talking to our mp. but it more complicated because of the tax or i could have done more . maybe or i could have done more. maybe we could have maybe some mistakes . we could have maybe some mistakes. but i will say this. so nigel, when we ran the s0 nigel, when we ran the council in southampton. our proposition was about supporting small get city small businesses get city moving, supporting people that rent payers, council tax and we did those things within our gift

and i would hope if in the future once the economy returns that a conservative government can back to doing the things we all want to do. well we'd love to we'd love that to happen. to be fair on business rates, there has been some quite good news today what labour today cancelling out what labour any thoughts views anybody any more thoughts views anybody want question of the want to ask a question of the leader the conservative group leader of the conservative group sir microphone on its way yourself please. mark yourself please. i'm mark corsham you down? why should anybody continue to for the conservatives as i've known , conservatives or as i've known, the we've got the con socialists, we've got the con socialists, we've got the taxes years the highest taxes in 70 years plus in 70 years and not a single service works as it you should be ashamed of yourself as a . party thanks. i think the a. party thanks. i think the first point is we have been elected in 2019 as a general conservative government and we deau conservative government and we dealt with brexit. we then dealt with pandemic, dealt with well, we've delivered brexit and then and we then and we have and then we then and we have a series of challenges that have come about beyond our control.

now, would we find ourselves in a we want to a position where we want to be putting the highest putting up taxes at the highest level. we wouldn't actually level. no, we wouldn't actually . i said locally when we . and as i said locally when we ran last year and ran this capsule last year and this rerunning it this year, we been rerunning it again . the intrinsic things we again. the intrinsic things we want to do is freeze taxes or cut them and make an environment where and where businesses survive and succeed that all the things succeed that was all the things that did locally. there are a that we did locally. there are a number things that in the number of things that in the scenario we're in raising scenario that we're in raising taxes is not a conservative thing to want to be doing, but is it we bring balance to is it right? we bring balance to the public services carry on the public services and carry on investing in the in schools, investing in the nhs in schools, uplift in uplifting pensions , in uplift in uplifting pensions, in uplifting benefits. today i think the right thing to do and there is a cost to that. well you should consider that lockdown was a decision made by your government. you know, it was decision. it didn't have was a decision. it didn't have to be made, but it was made. and you say, you know, you don't to raise you doing raise taxes. why are you doing it? choice. you growth by it? a choice. you get growth by cutting getting people cutting taxes, getting people spending economy. and spending in the economy. and that's opposite that's the complete opposite of what have chosen what your government have chosen to do today. and personally and i'm whole remit three

i'm sure the whole remit three is different we've had is different now we've had enough the conservatives enough of the conservatives and. we've socialist parties we've got two socialist parties that the that conservative party in the labour now two forms labour party. now two forms of socialism really is time socialism and it really is time for something different. and i'm sure the and the people here in the completely agree. well, the room completely agree. well, i say have to say at i have to say i have to say at the end day, that the the end of the day, that the furlough scheme government furlough scheme was a government intervention saved many intervention that saved many jobs livelihoods, the price jobs and livelihoods, the price cap, the energy price is a government intervention required of the scenario we're in now. some you have to make pragmatic decisions that might go down we could have done we could have done we could have done sweden did we could have done what florida we could have taken florida did we could have taken but locked economy but not locked down the economy . we are where we are now. i want to leader of the conservative group on southampton council dan well done the coming today it a very tough atmosphere it's good for good for you good for you give him a round of applause in a moment to the moment we will take some more questions from the audience. i get business

reaction back with you in a couple minutes .

engaging here in southampton , a engaging here in southampton, a lot of not very happy people . lot of not very happy people. it's time to barrage the barrage . i know the names of the people. i have no idea what they're going to ask, which is why got liam halligan back why i've got liam halligan back these remarks. but let's begin with has a for us. ali, with ali, who has a for us. ali, good evening . s0 with ali, who has a for us. ali, good evening . so one moment. we good evening. so one moment. we have. good evening. so one moment. we have . yeah, as a self—employed have. yeah, as a self—employed bookkeepen have. yeah, as a self—employed bookkeeper, i'm running accounts payroll for small businesses around , salisbury plain. i've around, salisbury plain. i've never known such concern at the uncertain and financial demands facing them . the family run facing them. the family run garage of generations employing five mechanics has seen its

annual electricity bill increase from . 2900 to 30 in under half. from. 2900 to 30 in under half. 465. to what has the dogged pursuit net zero contributed to many small businesses in the towel? well . ali, really towel? well. ali, really interesting one thing, he was up slightly clear about today was that our net zero target, it's on just staying we're to try and get there even more quickly and that means and lots and lots of more lovely wind farms in engush more lovely wind farms in english channel and in the north sea it means billions of pounds of our being transferred to poorer third world countries to help them go for renewable energy . and it means that we're energy. and it means that we're paying energy. and it means that we're paying too much for our energy , paying too much for our energy, and it means the lights could go out in february. the one good thing i will say is that they are going overseas as well to build that nuclear power station because that gives you reliable

energy . it gives you baseload energy. it gives you baseload energy. it gives you baseload energy . this energy. it gives you baseload energy. this mob are energy. it gives you baseload energy . this mob are absolutely energy. this mob are absolutely to net zero. they don't seem to even have even worked out that china ac new coal fired power stations last year. the we contribute less than 1% of co2 they committed liam he was pretty clear this wasn't he he was not agree with with ali that so many small and medium sized enterprises worried and big business too who have live along asia most of the time. what we're at the moment is an investment strike by lots of companies. they invest because the tax environment is so high and there's so much out there and there's so much out there and lack of confidence about , and lack of confidence about, how the economy is being managed . and it goes back to my earlier point nigel is it really right at a time when the economy is already stalling that we raised the burden even more on households and crucially, firms as well that will slow the economy down further less revenue and will be even deeper in the fiscal hole. i agree. ali, thank you very much indeed

for your question . samantha, is for your question. samantha, is the next evening, everyone . i the next evening, everyone. i hope i'm in good company with other small owners. i'd like to bnng other small owners. i'd like to bring up the subject of the fact that the chancellor is holding the threshold at which businesses must register to pay vat. 85,000 until 2026. it hasn't been increased since 2017. even though. turnover for small business has pushed up by government introduced costs such as minimum wage , which puts up as minimum wage, which puts up houday as minimum wage, which puts up holiday pay sick pay , national holiday pay sick pay, national insurance . also business insurance. also business insurance, which is often calculated on wage row. s0 calculated on wage row. so there's been no give that. so it's actually one of the stealth taxes that you were talking. yeah, yeah . i find this shocking yeah, yeah. i find this shocking that this is happening and it's stifling . is the decision freeze stifling. is the decision freeze the vat threshold really a decision to by a government who's genuinely encouraging . n0

who's genuinely encouraging. no it not. and as i say, in 55 days they've done a complete u—turn on the entire philosophy of what this government is about. and it's what he defended it . he it's what he defended it. he kept referring to the european union and europe the way that we're not. well, the thing is, we're not. well, the thing is, we voted with 68% in saddam's and we voted leave the european union not be compared to it. quick thought that liam from you to samantha who feels passionately the passionately about this, the vaccine threshold being frozen, the iht threshold being how frozen the income qualification level after which you don't qualify for child benefit , the qualify for child benefit, the personal tax rate at, 12 and a half grand, the top of tax at 50 grand. the upper rate of tax being reduced from 150 grand, 125 grand is also wealth. taxes is all frozen allowance , so the is all frozen allowance, so the government thinks we're too to understand it. i think the british people are far smarter than that . you you. and that's than that. you you. and that's great sebastian . sebastian hi great sebastian. sebastian hi there, nigel. yes you mentioned

this earlier. you talked a bit about brain drain and it's a huge concern that i don't enough people are talking about. we seem be an incredibly hostile seem to be an incredibly hostile environment and it's easier than ever for young people to want to move elsewhere. can go to move elsewhere. they can go to portugal, can go as portugal, they can go far as dubal portugal, they can go far as dubai, singapore and tax incentives to go there are great i'll leave this country. i'll never leave this country. i love every love it. field and every hedgerow . but i know a lot of hedgerow. but i know a lot of people will seriously consider whether should whether whether they should whether they can future can see their future unfortunately yeah. a unfortunately yeah. i'm in a business if you need business changed and if you need to a meeting can fly to have a meeting you can fly back from in a couple of hours back from in a couple of hours back into london you can come for a couple of days you can do that 30, 40 times a year and all the tax breaks that you're getting, portugal, the rest you can do on zoom because a bit of change of culture, the brain really, really very pleased are staying there boy but the brain the brain drain , it is a the brain drain, it is a problem, isn't it? it is . i problem, isn't it? it is. i would highlight why so many people are thinking about leaving the uk young people as. they did in the seventies. it's

cost of trying to get on the housing , trying to yourself housing, trying to get yourself a home something that was almost unnoficed a home something that was almost unnoticed amidst the tsunami of measures today is that the changes to stamp duty. stamp duty which trust and kwarteng introduced they're going to be scrapped after march 20, 25. s0 the doubling of the rate of up until which you don't pay stamp duty on and 25 650 grant that's going to go back to 125 grant and the duty holiday for first time buyers up to 450 grant it strikes me that's going to be scrapped as well almost commented upon there will be many people under a part of the generation who are paying more for their housing costs, more on their rent, less likely to a home than any generations. 19305. home than any generations. 1930s. they'll be absolutely about that. and someone on mainstream television has to point that out. good you just did , kevin. is not that kevin . did, kevin. is not that kevin. oh oh, not. and they have . i

oh oh, not. and they have. i came out of hospital recently after heart attack and i've to go back for a heart bypass at some and i'm i'm wondering what i'll be on the waiting with 7 million other people probably . million other people probably. but the question i've got is about the financial statement by chancellor he that the nhs will get 3.3 billion adults social care billion . next and 1.7 care billion. next and 1.7 billion in 2024. is this going to be enough. first things first, kevin, good luck . the first, kevin, good luck. the bypass. yeah i really mean that . sec bypass. yeah i really mean that. sec read that 20% of this city are all waiting lists, 20% of southampton are waiting list. i think we haven't got time to do properly. my gut instinct tells it doesn't actually matter how much money you throw the nhs, i think you reform debt and stop

the waste you're frankly pouring. who got a giant . the waste you're frankly pouring. who got a giant. i'd say i hope this autumn statement doesn't give you any more problems with your ticker. doesn't give you any more problems with your ticker . all problems with your ticker. all right . or but we desperately right. or but we desperately need to have debate not about free at the point views health care we all support free at the point of use health care no one's going to get rid of free at the point of use health care that we're the only country in the developed world that runs a massive, monolithic, state funded health system. free 1.3 million employees. there's a better way to do things . you get better way to do things. you get better way to do things. you get better outcomes in of health diagnostics. absolutely if you organise a health system that delivers free at the point of use in a way that we could actually in this case nigel we could learn a lot from our partners in europe or your other european from french the dutch the germans the danes they all deliver free at the of use health care on roughly the same

amount of money as us per head and far, far better health outcomes. the nhs not world class. we have to it now the end. yeah yeah. i boris johnson kept saying it was the envy of the world. it isn't anymore. lastly lucy, you've got a question us. so i a beauty salon in my own house, my constant worry and it has been since all of it's been announced is that because i'm so service based i will be one of the first of industries to go because. people will be prioritising where they're spending their money. i already had that worry after the because people were either worried about going out in case they got coverage they obviously had other things to pay for that wasn't having eyelashes or eyebrows done . s0 wasn't having eyelashes or eyebrows done . so my question eyebrows done. so my question has the announcement today failed people like us? well i think people will still come to you. i'm sure get their

eyelashes done. i don't know. yeah. and they're not as they were . i thought about it, but were. i thought about it, but not for long. the yeah. look, you know , when times get tough , you know, when times get tough, make decisions and they choose what they have to cut and i can't , you know how that affects can't, you know how that affects you . i just can't, you know how that affects you. i just think can't, you know how that affects you . i just think that going you. i just think that going a recession is not the time to be raising taxes. i just think we need cut public spending yet . need cut public spending yet. what i saw today provide even solid evidence of where it would come. and i repeat the point cannot see the point of blowing hundred billion plus pounds. i can get into manchester from in 2 hours and 7 minutes. as it is. we do not need hs2 if. they scrapped that. we could avoid a lot of this. let's be truthful lucy. it's going to be a tough year and you will just have to be better than your competitors at you do and that's that at what you do and that's that actually how the free market actually is how the free market works in tough times final thought with you hs2 thought i agree with you on hs2

. all the international evidence shows high speed rail draws shows that high speed rail draws of commerce into the capital rather than it out to the regions . this hs2 is just going regions. this hs2 is just going make sutton coldfield on the outskirts , birmingham, a suburb, outskirts, birmingham, a suburb, a commuting suburb of london, far . if we revolutionise local far. if we revolutionise local rail service into and out of great cities like manchester like newcastle like southampton. bristol rather than this fancy projects . and we are a service projects. and we are a service oriented economy lucy that's one reason why we felt lockdown so badly. but it's people like you, young, smart people , willing to young, smart people, willing to get up, do something , young, smart people, willing to get up, do something, a young, smart people, willing to get up, do something , a risk, get up, do something, a risk, run your own business , plough run your own business, plough your own furrow, stand on your own two feet that they're going to get britain back on its feet economically and my hope is and it is hope, nigel, but i think it is hope, nigel, but i think it will happen is that the british people prosper british people will prosper despite these policies today rather than because of them because like lucy, they work hard. absolutely no, either way.

and you know , local transport and you know, local transport links , east west transport. i'm links, east west transport. i'm sure these people in southampton would like to get so much closer to portsmouth. i really sure . in to portsmouth. i really sure. in a moment i'll be joined by lugard he played for 43 games for south amazon. in a moment matt , letitia joins for south amazon. in a moment matt, letitia joins me to talk about.

what his time for talking . i what his time for talking. i can't think of anybody better to sit here southampton to do talking pints with than la gold . to talking pints with than la gold. to 443 games for southampton that

was only in the league. yep it was only in the league. yep it was 540 altogether. was it just st . sorry, i thought i for was 540 altogether. was it just st. sorry, i thought i for that. yeah. well that's a fake ups and all the other. absolutely s0 all the other. absolutely so your whole career never thought never felt like leaving never tempted to go anywhere else. i was close. i was when i was 21 and very young and impressionable the spurs tried buy me and i was very close to joining spurs. that was a team that i supported a boy. s0 joining spurs. that was a team that i supported a boy. so it was a bit of a temptation but in the end i came my senses and i decided it was the right thing for me to stay at southampton and with my hand in my heart , i and with my hand in my heart, i don't have a single regret about spending my whole career at southampton football club. a single regret . yeah, well , you single regret. yeah, well, you know what? in an age when people appear to be more motivated by money than loyalty, i think that's rather admirable . now that's rather admirable. now interestingly of the 48 penalties that you took for the club 47 of them went into the back of the net they did that

with somebody who was in the stadium at wembley last year for the final euro, the euros. stadium at wembley last year for the final euro, the euros . and the final euro, the euros. and having watched the agony as we've through in euro 96 world cup 99. see you may be 54, but you're looking pretty fit to me . should you be on the list to take penalties in the world cup? coming up week? i would i would quite happily take the penalty still my age i enjoyed the pressure of those situations so i really look forward to taking the penalty and i think that's one of the biggest things you can have as a penalty taker is your your mindset going into it as to be really positive and i believe was one of the biggest reasons why my penalty record as well is a fantastic record as i do need you so playing well i mean i have on occasions the past i approaching cups and european championship and stuff the subject has come up and i have i have offered my services to go and coach the players if they want some advice on taking

penalties to southgate. are you listening ? well, to be fair, listening? well, to be fair, i mean, there were other managers that may have been more likely than the woke mr. southgate to woe . oh, gosh , i haven't even woe. oh, gosh, i haven't even got him on to gary lineker. is it coming home? i suspect not. as as i would love england to win the cup. i think with my realistic and i think there are perhaps better teams than us, however we you never know football's funny game. there's some funny results. i have. well, we're crossing our fingers. absolutely as we always do. and tomorrow night we've got sir geoff hurst on the programme. he's going to be joining me. amazing. in wembley just outside the wembley stadium. anyone still wants to come a come along? please get? a gbnews.uk now. matt one of things i like about you is that in life i've been sacked in my life i've been sacked many, times . i need miracle many, many times. i need miracle by sky news for having opinions that did not. sky sports not

slide. you apologise sky sports your opinions did not conform. you were doubtful about lockdowns . i think doubtful is lockdowns. i think doubtful is quite quite a moderate way of describing it. i think were a lot of people two and a half years ago who were sounding alarms of what we are now going through in terms of inflation and the state of the and the state of the waiting lists at the nhs there were lot of people talking about that when we first decided to lockdown, those people were ignored they were censored, they were ridiculed , censored, they were ridiculed, they were mocked as granny killers . and right now we are killers. and right now we are living through in this country what everyone. well those sensible people were what would happen say? well, i like to know is we had a pandemic plan in place in this country. that plan was thrown out the window completely ignored and in favour

of what china were doing and not one single person as ever mentioned that in our government , not one of them was explained to us why we threw away a plan was already in place and the great britain declaration was kind of pretty much what it was about. kind of pretty much what it was about . they knew very early on about. they knew very early on that the main people that were affected by it. they knew the demographic of people that were going to be affected by it. so you would protect those kind of people you let the rest of people and you let the rest of the economy carry on as normal because we've seen from because. i think we've seen from what's happened in other countries that if you if you a country that didn't look down everyone didn't die like was predicted neil ferguson's predictions were one of the most scandal less things i've ever seen in this country. scandal less things i've ever seen in this country . well, seen in this country. well, there's some real passion there. there's some real passion that all believe i'm bit angry still, to be honest, i'm angry it's it

because i think a as a government i think we were we were let down very badly by people. one of the one of my most annoying things now to watch rishi sunak and i know he went to dell and liked watching me play. yeah i don't care what one of the most annoying things i've seen since he's become prime minister, he has failed to is just failed to take any at all for the position we're now. when he was the chancellor was making these decisions and everyone saying . so now your now everyone saying. so now your now you're a blogger , a broadcaster. you're a blogger, a broadcaster. what are you doing . s0 you're a blogger, a broadcaster. what are you doing . so yes, i've what are you doing. so yes, i've i've found a new career . s0 i've found a new career. so i think everybody in the room needs to download the get our app needs to download the get our app and start me on their i'm there is some fascinating live streams monday night 8:00 called the flipside where i interview people and it was mostly the people and it was mostly the people that have been silenced

and the people that were ridiculed and that's why i called it the flipside i believe in this country we be able to have free and open debate and both sides of the argument should be heard. and we haven't had absolute, 0h, agree. i'm not entirely . final quick thought , entirely. final quick thought, when are you standing with . when are you standing with. parliament yeah, exactly shay, i would again, i have to be honest with you. believe in this so strongly . believe in that strongly. believe in that strongly. believe in that strongly . well, what i don't strongly. well, what i don't believe in and i think a lot of people , especially the gentleman people, especially the gentleman was so eloquent earlier on who suggested at the moment you can't tell the difference between the two main parties. and i heard it described recently as being the two cheeks of the same backside . and i of the same backside. and i think that's i the system in our country is not a very fair one

and i think that to try and go into that system at the moment not would not suit me. it's all what a pleasure having you on talking pints here in southampton you letitia thank you . now . we're southampton you letitia thank you. now . we're going to finish you. now. we're going to finish this. will tierney has written a song. it's called kasai it's about this city of southampton. take it away. will . flap take it away. will. flap hands. now, everybody here, go . i can now, everybody here, go. i can sing. enjoy from home marine life looking at the glistening bowls , bobbing in sun shines the bowls, bobbing in sun shines the one of them is my put i'm always one of them is my put i'm always on the key side watching the waves the smallest ways to spend

the time and i'm always on the key side you got to win the home to be walking . by you know the to be walking. by you know the course now everybody to join next time you got to give me any sunny days over the new most of these yachts never get used anyway i'm always on the key side watching the always is the worst way to spend the time i'm i'm always on the case so in hope to be walking . by it's hope to be walking. by it's november boats around off the water but i have never ever been just a fair where the boat

everyone's gone home for the evening i'll be here through all the i'm oh on the key side watching the waves is was ways to spend time. oh we got a song on the side beautiful in the hope to be walkin . by in the hope to be walkin. by in the hope to be walkin. by in the hope that she'll be . by again .

and hey welcome along a busy day .