very good evening to you. it is 6 pm. this is james and co. obviously i am not michelle. i'm bev turner normally seen on this channel at 10 am. but tonight i'm playing up front while michelle has a night off. and did football .7 6 to did you see football? 6 to 2 england against iran qatar even if you're not a massive footie fan, you a little lift fan, it gives you a little lift it. none of the players wore the

one love ban promoting rights. fifa it clear that anyone wearing the band would get a yellow card but they did take the knee for black matter. does that make sense to you and is brexit about to be betrayed? the government strongly denied the suggestion that they're seeking a swiss style arrangement with the eu, but brexiteers are in. and also tonight, shamima case begins as she appeals decision to revoke her citizenship . to revoke her citizenship. should the government accept that she a child when she went to syria and she is a problem plus harry and meghan heroic. well that's what an american human rights body says they're getting an award for. apparently standing racism in the standing up to racism in the monarchy. all of that to come tonight. but first, the latest news with tamsin . bower. thank news with tamsin. bower. thank and good evening from the gb newsroom. england have won their match at the world cup against iran as eyes towards wales for

their match against the us. later this . later this. the three lions won six two with goals scored by bellingham saka, sterling, rashford and grealish. both england and wales , along both england and wales, along with five other european teams, decided not to wear a rainbow coloured armband to their. it's over concerns may be penalised with a yellow card on the pitch for wearing a non kit while fans say they're happy with today's result. thought they really pulled out the bongos. we have a slow start, but once they got going they really got going and i couldn't stop running. we were expecting goal negativity but flat back five a no goals football intensity . strangely football intensity. strangely enough a comfortable win . if we enough a comfortable win. if we have carried on it could have

been eight or nine, but settle for that fantastic performance . for that fantastic performance. you can't really criticise anyone , just that everyone was anyone, just that everyone was pretty faultless . the prime says pretty faultless. the prime says re—establishing stability is a critical first step as he set out plans to the uk economy . out plans to the uk economy. addressing business leaders , the addressing business leaders, the confederation of british industry conference rishi sunak said was placing innovation the heart of his government agenda . heart of his government agenda. he told delegates controlling was critical to improving living standards and to putting the economy on a stable footing for future. he said he was determined to get this right. we're going to get on with delivering the things that are important . you. we're going to important. you. we're going to make sure that the nhs is well funded and we the care that funded and we get the care that we all need. we're going to make sure our schools, the one sure that our schools, the one we're standing in today, get the funding need to provide funding they need to provide an amazing young people. amazing for our young people. we're sure that our we're going make sure that our streets safe and we're streets are safe and we're cutting crime, that got cutting crime, that we've got security borders which is security of our borders which is really of really important to me. some of the challenges seeing with the challenges we're seeing with illegal we're spreading

illegal and that we're spreading opportunity country illegal and that we're spreading opjthat nity country illegal and that we're spreading opjthat people country illegal and that we're spreading opjthat people can country illegal and that we're spreading opjthat people can feel country so that people can feel optimistic about future. a court has heard a woman who left london to join so—called islamic state seven years ago was influenced a determined and effective propaganda machine . effective propaganda machine. shamima begum is lawyers said she should have been treated as a child trafficking victim. the 23 year old is appealing the removal of a uk citizenship after it revoked when she was found in syrian refugee camp. she denied any involvement in activities. human lawyer high jump. singh bango says baig should be treated the same as a british citizen . the issue is if british citizen. the issue is if she's a british citizen , which she's a british citizen, which she's a british citizen, which she has because she holds a british passport or she did hold british passport or she did hold british passport, a british citizenship , then should she be citizenship, then should she be treated like other british citizens or should she be sent to a country where she's not born and she hasn't lived in? or just because the basis that her parents came from that a 31 year

old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder following death of two young children in fire in nottingham. emergency were called to a flat in fair isle close in clifden in the early hours of yesterday morning. the children aged one and three were treated at the scene for smoke but later died in hospital . a woman in her in hospital. a woman in her thirties in a critical condition . 16 thirties in a critical condition. 16 and more than 700 injured in an earthquake in. indonesia, according to local . the according to local. the epicentre of the 5.6 magnitude was the west region . about 75 was the west region. about 75 kilometres from the capital jakarta. rescuers are trying reach survivors there who are trapped under the rubble after at least 25 aftershocks hit the region . the comedian joe lycett

region. the comedian joe lycett , who claimed to have shredded £10,000 in protest at david beckham's world cup row, says he didn't actually do it . the comic didn't actually do it. the comic filled himself, didn't actually do it. the comic filled himself , the former filled himself, the former england player, an ultimatum of standing down from his position as qatar world cup ambassador or he would destroy the cash which would go to lgbt . mr. lycett has would go to lgbt. mr. lycett has since said yesterday's footage wasn't real . this is that's all wasn't real. this is that's all from me for now . now it's back from me for now. now it's back to bed . to bed. good evening. welcome to dewbs& co. good evening. welcome to dewbs& c0. with good evening. welcome to dewbs& co. with me bev turner this evening. now joining me tonight through to 7:00, david curson , through to 7:00, david curson, the leader of the heritage party . and we've got the author and

broadcaster and gb news favourites a meet nicol i'm not saying you're not favourite david. you are definitely a favourite. thank you. don't offended. i know it takes more than that to offend. right. i also want to know your thoughts. course. get in touch with me . course. get in touch with me. you gbviews@gbnews.uk or on twitter at gb news. now england's 2022 world cup campaign could not have got off to a better start. they thrashed iran six two on the pitch thrice , but the lead up to the game was all about what kind of statement the team might make about the country's virtual hosts, qatar. at the last minute, football association minute, the football association backed a plan for to backed down from a plan for to wear the one long arm band. this is this rainbow design apparently celebrates inclusive . fifa said that players who wore it would get a card. now i am cynical . let me come to you am cynical. let me come to you first. how disappointed were you about the decision of the players under the pressure from the fai to not this political statement given that their in qatar a country in which it is

literally illegal to be gay. i think i feel like it kind of got off to a worst. i couldn't believe having the news that they wouldn't be wearing the armband. i don't think it's a political statement, obviously, but you want to about but if you want to talk about political statements, even the fact it's qatar them, their fact it's qatar is them, their own statement saying, look, we're fine, we're great and we need to say no. and i think fifa have done at this point they should be ashamed shamed. and the fact that they didn't wear these. highlights the these. it just highlights the icky situation. and i that anger needs to be directed . fifa and needs to be directed. fifa and lots of in a way is worse that they said they were going to wear the armband the players they didn't. they but they still took the knee . so they were able took the knee. so they were able took the knee. so they were able to be silent about the gay rights protest that they wanted make while still supporting black lives matter. it was worse than if they had never said they were going wear it in the first place, do you think? i don't know. i think that it fifa that

blocked it the last minute. blocked it at the last minute. they could have said it way back in september when it was first announced. the fact announced. i think that the fact that footballers so that these footballers so determined take knee determined to take the knee is and an out perfect and is an sends out perfect message because they are standing for what they think is right. and i hate when people say this is virtue signalling because just because somebody else cares about something that you don't and feels like they to take a stand. it's not signalling. david it is just to remind us why players take the knee. this was of the black lives matter incident that inspired all of, you know, inspired all of, you know, inspired that movement and the george floated. george floyd. that's the name. thank you for reading my mind. i've not been thinking about him so much today. i've been thinking about quite a lot to all the stuff, particularly going on. but do you think right that they you think it's right that they still yet they away still do and yet they shied away from making this statement about the big qatar's home of phobic enshrined in their homophobic attitude? the big story is there

was a football match in england. 162. and everyone just wants to be interested in football. we don't want all of this politics and all this nonsense and all this. whoa, chris, surrounding the football matches. you know , the football matches. you know, i england football i think the england football team just back off of all team should just back off of all this political stuff. this is this political stuff. this it is virtue signalling and it is woke. you know the taking the knee to support lives matter which actually a movement and an organisation wants to defund the police , smash capitalism and police, smash capitalism and disrupt the nuclear family. that's what their supporters . i that's what their supporters. i don't think that many people who are football in the stadiums or even at home support that kind of thing . i the charity of thing. i think the charity kick out would really kick it out would really disagree with you on that. david this is massive problem and this is a massive problem and they take the knee , not they should take the knee, not stand to racism in football stand up to racism in football is sorted. in this is sorted. racism in this country is not a problem. racism in football , this country is not in football, this country is not a i think by that a problem. i think by that you're all players. you're gaslighting all players. there might be or two people who go to a football match and a racist. okay. the as in society,

there's one or two people. there's a small percentage of people who racist . but the people who are racist. but the problem with this is that there is this narrative that this country systemically and country is systemically and institutionally racist when it is not. and that's gaslighting and the football players should not be giving in to that . isn't not be giving in to that. isn't it fair to say amy that the superstars on the pitch today were black british players ? and were black british players? and i guess that's what you would say , is we don't need to make say, is we don't need to make these political that they're showing us successful. they are that they that the colour of their skin has not limited their ability to represent their country. they were amazing. they played brilliantly they are talented. hardworking talented. they are hardworking maybe need them to make maybe we don't need them to make these no, these statements. no, i disagree. i that whilst disagree. i think that whilst remains problem in football remains a problem in football and around the world, globally then we still need to make stands, particularly when this football when this world cup is literally built . the debts of literally built. the debts of migrant workers who died making stadiums that you're playing in the fact that the world cup in

qatar makes it impossible possible to remove it from now, of course, i guarantee you do agree. you know, the way the migrant workers are treated, not just for you know, building the football stadiums, but in lots of middle eastern countries in general, they are treated appallingly. get appallingly. the passports get taken them. so they go taken off them. so they can't go back and can't leave and so back and they can't leave and so on. they get permission on. they have to get permission to leave. it's a terrible, terrible thing. that doesn't terrible thing. but that doesn't mean to take mean that football have to take the knee on rainbow armbands and basically round the rainbow down, everybody . that's what it down, everybody. that's what it is . and that's what those is. and that's what those players find important . it also players find important. it also true the great irony of course, i would say that perhaps this racism is no longer a problem in. football, we don't have any black managers that i would think. can a think. so we can have a discussion about but what discussion about that. but what is in football is is a problem in football is homophobia. we have no out homophobia. we still have no out players there must be statistically there must several premier footballers are premier league footballers are in relationships with men . that in relationships with men. that is an issue and if they ever wanted to make points it this would have been the time, wouldn't day maybe

wouldn't it? day maybe. maybe not. i don't know. i mean, they would got arrested, you know? i mean, in qatar. fine mean, it's all in qatar. fine i still think you know, still think that, you know, that's think actually this that's i think actually on this they're wrong , to be they're both wrong, to be honest. i mean, that's my opinion see for a censorious opinion and see for a censorious i mean before as well as censoring remember about six years ago they censored the england team and the scotland scene from wearing a paul piombo and that that ban was overturned so you know i think there is you know over ness from fifa know i do believe in free speech but on the other hand i don't think it's right for the football players to be wearing these political because the poppy is a cultural statement it's about all histories honouring . our war all histories honouring. our war dead, the rainbow is a political statement. it's i agree with the political aims and agendas of the extreme lgbt movement, which at the moment is to bring gender confusion to schools in children and queer kind of thing. that's and queer kind of thing. that's a jump . oh, it is. and that's

a jump. oh, it is. and that's really the worst case. the worst case for today would have been harry kane would have got a yellow card. right? so i think what this what they're saying this point is that a yellow card is more of risk than standing up lgbt rights. and i think the problem as well. yet i mean, if he'd got a yellow card because, he'd got a yellow card because, he wore the armband and then he got yellow card because he tripped somebody else. we can't win football like is football for lgbt rights as well for national sport , you've got to national sport, you've got to think of your team and you got to think your country. well, these people are picked and they paid lot of money to represent the country. they're not paid a lot of money to represent the country. push their own country. and push their own political views . they're not political views. they're not representing themselves individually . they're the individually. they're in the england they can't england team. so they can't going that and risking going and doing that and risking losing society, england, losing we as a society, england, stand up for lgbt rights. that's part of our and our part of our society and our cultural values. so surely we should putting cross you should be putting that cross you mean rights mean if mean by treaty rights mean if you said not be arrested or

sentenced to death? yeah. yeah. you know i agree with that. but there's also there's as there's also there's issues as well. done . it's well. but it's done. it's different in qatar to what it is in this country. it's you in this country. but it's you know, a progression. the know, it's a progression. the other elephant other thing, the other elephant in course, with in the room, of course, with this is the fact that we were playing iran and iran at the moment with the there they've got 15,000 political prisoners, most we've had most them are women. we've had it the death of a it was inspired the death of a woman who sent who was woman who was sent who was beaten death because beaten to death because she didn't tucks within didn't have hair tucks within her scarf . now, that for me didn't have hair tucks within her scarf. now, that for me is almost a bigger story. the fact, should iran even be allowed to play should iran even be allowed to play in the world. i they're playing iran. exactly. playing against iran. exactly. i would so far as to say maybe would go so far as to say maybe on day it should be on the day it should be apolitical and iran should apolitical and maybe iran should not allowed to play in not have been allowed to play in the first mean, but the first place. i mean, but then what did iran do today, they didn't sing the national anthem. a stand anthem. they took a stand against regime in their against the regime in their country they very country and they made it very clear apparent what they clear and apparent what they think so that the think of that. so that is the strongest thing. and i think really that's what team really that's what our team should want should have done. but don't want to put at the door of the

to put this at the door of the players the fact that they didn't the rainbow armband. didn't wear the rainbow armband. i this the door of i want put this at the door of fifa. that's also true what occurred when i saw them occurred to me when i saw them on pitch today babies on the pitch today their babies i was in 19 the guy i mean, it was in 19 the guy that that was our star player today these poor kids and honestly looked them honestly david looked at them and i'm not sure you and i thought i'm not sure you could me on a map. you could show me iran on a map. you know, i thought i'm not sure you know, i thought i'm not sure you know, they've they've left school very young. they're not going rashford, going to be marcus rashford, perhaps exception. he's perhaps he's an exception. he's very engaged. very politically engaged. but these not politically these kids are not politically engaged. these kids are not politically engagedall their life and they football all their life and they are brilliance it. but are brilliance at it. but they're infantilized they're pretty infantilized by, that you go. you that sport. there you go. you sort make good point there sort of make a good point there because there's young are they being coerced out of this game by not to wear the rainbow? being coerced out of this game by should to wear the rainbow? being coerced out of this game by should to we be the rainbow? being coerced out of this game by should to webe ableainbow? being coerced out of this game by should to we be able to bow? being coerced out of this game by should to webe able to make you should they be able to make their own decisions as in i think you're doing a real. think you're doing them a real. so i i mean, that's so i might be i mean, that's you. i won't for it. but i do you. i won't go for it. but i do think a lot of the players have taken an active stand with the black lives matter movement, and they the they have discussed the knee. and something that and that's something that important do important to me. and they do know lot about. true. do you know a lot about. true. do you think they do? do you think if

you said to them, why you taking the and what does mean? the knee and what does it mean? do you think they'd understand fully they they fully i don't know if they they do, why they need to do, but that's why they need to be what this be educated into what this movement about. it's movement actually is about. it's a marxist movement that a far left marxist movement that is spreading this, that is actually spreading this, that this systemic equally this country is systemic equally racist when it's not need racist when it's not and we need to more just seen as to more more just seen as a symbol anti—racism at this point. start, guys . point. right. good start, guys. more this time day. more lively at this time of day. it 10:00 the morning. it then 10:00 in the morning. now a moment brexit now in just a moment is brexit about to be thrown out with the bathwater the government says bathwater so the government says no we discuss that in just a moment. let me know what you think .

welcome back to dewbs & co with welcome back to dewbs& co with me back. you aren't going mad . me back. you aren't going mad. not 10:00 in the morning. i'm sitting in for michelle tonight. i'm going to be here until 7:00 with. i'm delighted . say david with. i'm delighted. say david kirton, the leader of the heritage party. and we've got

the author, broadcaster amy nick, i'm going to be getting to your opinions as as we go through show. gb at gb through the show. gb news at gb news, duke the address to send them to let me know what you think we're talking about the world cup and whether this should just clear water should just be clear water between and the between the politics and the sport. what think now sport. i mean what you think now the has spent last 36 the government has spent last 36 hours furiously denying that they want to bring britain into alignment with the eu in order to reduce trade barriers . the to reduce trade barriers. the sunday times says that ministers are considering a swiss style arrangement, meaning that many of britain's regulations would have to follow the eu. but the government says is categorically untrue . david, what do you think untrue. david, what do you think is going on here? this was clearly leaked to the sunday times. why it was leaked, wasn't it? i mean, this is something is happening here. i think they're testing the idea to see what the reaction is. they do this a lot. you know, it's something that is so outrageous. you know, it comes there's then comes out then there's and then the no, no no, the government says, no, no no, we're not going to do that. we

categoric, glenn, deny it's leaked. it wasn't actually from categoric, glenn, deny it's leakesunakasn't actually from categoric, glenn, deny it's leakesunakasr anyone lly from categoric, glenn, deny it's leakesunakasr anyone ,.y from categoric, glenn, deny it's leakesunakasr anyone , the)m rishi sunak or anyone, the government. and then on government. and then later on they'll some other they'll come out with some other thing they might think thing that they might think of. this a big of this seems to be a big of politics, you know, to like politics, you know, to me, like , something that, like , this is something that, like you become part of our you say, has become part of our political landscape now, hasn't it somebody it to the it somebody leaks it to the papen it somebody leaks it to the paper, testing the waters . paper, they testing the waters. they're cowardly, aren't they're a bit cowardly, aren't they? they're like, we'll see how goes down twitter? how this goes down on twitter? and might make a and then we might make a decision or so decision about it or not. so what the reaction been like? well, it's been it's been totally against it, actually. well, it's been it's been tota|thankiinst it, actually. well, it's been it's been tota|thank fort it, actually. well, it's been it's been tota|thank for that. ctually. well, it's been it's been tota|thank for that. ctuaiknow, and thank for that. you know, even some the people, the even some of the people, the conservative mean, conservative party, i mean, steve and so on, have steve barclay and so on, have come out vigorously against it. but, know, would but, you know, i would imagine that hunt, the that jeremy hunt, the chancellor, be chancellor, will probably be very in favour. course, some very in favour. of course, some of deal or , of swiss style deal or, norwegian style deal, which then ties this back into the single or the regulations of the european and the judgements and the rulings of the european economic growth. well, no we could we can grow economically outside the eu. well, we haven't managed. well, there's been a

lot of reasons why that is one is net zero and climate alarmism there's lockdown there's the high rates ukraine and sanctions on russia these are all things the law doesn't just because these are all things that are like cutting growth. brexit is a great opportunity growth but this particular hasn't taken the opportunity to apologising for brexit , saying it's a good idea brexit, saying it's a good idea . first of all, it's somebody that's got this boyfriend is clearly terrible and he's really he's when you're like, tell me why, tell me what david told me. he just told the whole world me one, one honest benefit of brexit at this point we can make our own trade deals around the world. and they've been well, i mean that's because we've got a government that is pretty terrible i was in government that wanted to control our borders theoretically we can do as well. yeah. i mean it's oh my goodness. it's true. we didn't get a good deal because boris johnson made a terrible, terrible, bad . so we need to terrible, bad. so we need to finish the unfinished business. exactly. and then it will be

good so we can agree that the deal was not good. so we should include the way we independently claim to include and rejoining the single market. no, no , no. the single market. no, no, no. that's going backwards. how can you ? the point is, we come out you? the point is, we come out of the eu, we come out of the single market, we come out of the customs union. we come out of common fisheries and so of the common fisheries and so on. control borders and then on. we control borders and then we fly away an independent nation. business opportunities , nation. business opportunities, raw sewage, you know, in our streams , people to work the streams, people to work the rules lost wages . it's because rules lost wages. it's because of . the one of the reasons one of. the one of the reasons one of. the one of the reasons one of the reasons it's one of the reasons i thought and i was genuinely quite ambivalent about brexit thing. i genuinely didn't know the time i felt about know at the time i felt about it. i was sort of probably towards a part of it towards remain a big part of it actually funnily enough was about clean water and thought, about clean water and i thought, you it's europe that you know what, it's europe that makes us have clean beaches. it's the eu stops us it's the eu that stops us pumping of poo into the pumping loads of poo into the rivers. got pooling rivers. we've got more pooling our rivers even telling me

our rivers now, even telling me that i levels poo. and that i have levels of poo. and so, point so eu so, but the point so the eu would nothing to do with it. we had brilliant it's because of brexit have but i think brexit that we have but i think the point is i think could have like my feeling is if that was what we were concerned about the government could have said we're not going poo in the water. i not going to poo in the water. i don't think should be that don't think we should be that type though that type of thing though that demonstrated it the vote. clearly we need eu to keep that now we could do it all you need needs. they do have a massive investment into the water system , particularly the victorian water systems which don't separate rainwater from sewage. that's the problem because lot of our water systems are so and antiquated and because of our now grown so , much because of now grown so, much because of massive migration that now no longer able to cope . it is, longer able to cope. it is, i can genuinely say it's not just immigrant poo in the river so it's also they were built when they were 30 million people now there's 70 million people plus i'm not blaming you know one of

them but there is an issue if we quickly go back to what you said at the beginning, the brexit i mean, to move forward if you agree us okay that would be delusion so that's also remain when you heard this yesterday necessarily a remainer at this point i'm just a realist who's saying that brexit not working out and for it to we need to make major changes. i'm going to end it. david, do you feel confident you can see the difference between covid damage and our economy and brexit? it's damaging our economy because i just think those are muddy. i you can see that because if you look at comparative countries , look at comparative countries, we are right at the bottom and that because we have brexit on top, because we have the strongest lockdowns of any of the european nations, i mean, it's arguably yes, i don't agree with you, but maybe could be a factor. but one thing that if we're talking people that agree and people that disagree said the reaction to the idea of a swiss style deal was negative .

swiss style deal was negative. however, polling suggests that more people than ever regret the decision to vote leave which polling that i haven't seen the gb news polls there was a gb news poll yesterday gb news viewers. i think it's about 53 to 40. funnily enough, i might be wrong on that one, but there was also a yougov that was drew a similar conclusion actually . a similar conclusion actually. again, i just wonder whether any of us are particularly clear on effects of brexit, on the effects of brexit, on the effects of brexit, on the effects of the covid lockdowns, on economy. and in a way it's frustrating for both sides, right? because who voted for brexit want to say say it was a success. those that voted to remain want to go see say it was a disaster and neither party can actually be clear on on on what the situation is because of because of lockdowns looking at the detail of this so if we do this swiss style it looks we would get a brexit trading arrangement offered by the eu. it would get rid of 80% of

checks between great britain and northern ireland, open up access to the single market. but and here is the big box we would have to pledge alignments at least temporarily on food and agriculture standards and also switzerland gives them about a million, switzerland gives them about a million , £1,000,000,000 over ten million, £1,000,000,000 over ten years. it has completely unacceptable. certainly unacceptable. we certainly shouldn't any more shouldn't be paying any more money and we shouldn't money to the eu and we shouldn't be agreeing to a temporary alignment in standard , which alignment in standard, which would then become a permanent and standards. this is what would happen we have really, would happen. we have really, really good standards animal really good standards in animal welfare , but we certainly don't welfare, but we certainly don't want come this sort new want to come this sort of new standards that they're bringing in in things like carbon and nitrogen emissions. in in things like carbon and nitrogen emissions . you see nitrogen emissions. you see what's happening to the dutch farmers the moment which i know people about this people talk about on this channel it's absolutely channel a lot, it's absolutely what they're doing. that ruining the farming trying to the farming industry, trying to take the land of farmers and close farms down because they don't adhere these new don't adhere to these new eu standards. don't that standards. we don't want that here. other thing, of here. the other thing, of course, that switzerland course, is that switzerland signed the schengen free signed up to the schengen free area. so the eu swiss agreement

removes documentary and identity checks. most physical checks, most veterinary certify but we'd just be going back. may really there'd be very little difference wouldn't there i guessi difference wouldn't there i guess i think the pros outweigh the cons . absolutely, yes. the cons. absolutely, yes. potentially this one and cannot believe that you still hammer that brexit is a good idea and it's working because you can't even think of one benefit. brexit is a great i've mentioned many benefits . i've also many benefits. i've also mentioned a few. it's true this particular government is not making the most of the opportunities that we have let me come in with the heritage party will sort it out and we'll make brexit work. well you make our rivers and seas clean again. so will. it's going to be very so i will. it's going to be very expensive fix all those expensive to fix all those victorian let's of think victorian pipes. let's of think about what rishi sunak said about what rishi sunak said about because did this about today, because he did this statement annual statement today at the annual conference. massive conference. he made this massive statement about how technology was us all and was going to save us all and that we are going to be the ai, the artificial, artificial a.i. artificial intelligence centre of the world. he was talking

about data is going to be the key to all of success. it made my blood run cold, actually, to be honest, because he was smiling because knows is smiling because he knows is telling that the telling us something that the british think, british public i don't think, are particularly like . are going to particularly like. but the questions from the from the were quite the audience were quite interesting because they came out said mainstream out and said the mainstream media, not us. media, the coward media, not us. and they said businesses in this room they want a looser immigration rules and they want to go back to eu. that's what the room business people were saying david apparent well the cbi represents the biggest businesses and global mega corporations. it doesn't represent small and medium sized businesses who will do much better outside eu when they can focus the domestic market and they don't have to comply with all the eu . of course, the all the eu. of course, the biggest businesses they love it because they want one world regulate and covering everybody they don't particularly care about nations and cultures and societies . that's what they want societies. that's what they want and they want open door mass immigration because they want

cheap foreign labour, because they don't want to put the effort in trying to reach young people just. give me a bit second to finish so they don't want to train our own young people to do the jobs that they could do in this well which would cost them a little bit of money then have to pay than money and then have to pay than the they like to the minimum wage they like to get cheap in because that get cheap labour in because that will their time it will increase their time it means will bring stock in means you will bring stock in 2016. you be seeing some complaints believe looking playback and nothing you've said has we have 1 million jobs vacancies in this country. there is no one to do the jobs there are there are many, many bit of research done on immigration and shows that a migrant will will make more they take we have a big problem in this country because let profit of everyone that comes here to if we have 1 million vacancies. how do you propose that we fill them we keep a lot of people in education way beyond when should

leave. we used to say england children would leave school at 16 and get an entry level job. that was the right thing for them since the cameron government in 2013, they've insisted all schoolchildren stay insisted all schoolchildren stay in school, in education to 18. so that takes about 800,000 people out of the job there's way, way too many people going to university between to 21 not the people who do chemistry and engineering are not. but there's a lot of people that do not equal society one gender studies and so on get them out of university into an entry level job and they can contribute to the job market. there's not 100,000 people judging by and they can do the jobs that loads of people and businesses would say you want you want to take children out of school and make them do jobs that actually don't appeal to anyone at the moment when they're 16 it's the best thing for some people to go leave school and do an entry level job rather than stay in school for another, which is

something which i do like gender studies , which is possibly a studies, which is possibly a degree that you could benefit from doing yourself. all prime minister saying today that minister was saying today that i think that prime minister was saying that he wants more people to stay in education longer though david completely the opposite. but you know , we've opposite. but you know, we've got about 5 million people of working age at the moment who are not working in this country , who could should be an , who could be should be an inverted commas, working some of that will be genuinely not able to work for disability reasons or whatever it is of course they will. but there are way too many people of working we do people sort of working and we do need something that need to do something that culture work does pay at the culture at work does pay at the moment. you've if you've well moment. if you've if you've well well actually millions jobs will need to be filled if we got million of those 5 million people out of university, this was not going benefit them was not going to benefit them into they would benefit into jobs. they would benefit the will benefit the companies will benefit everyone's . the companies will benefit everyone's. happy win. do you know any know, british born know any you know, british born teenagers would clean teenagers amy that would clean the or you know , sweep the toilets or you know, sweep the toilets or you know, sweep the floor? no, we see you would

say, well, that's because they've never seen that as a job that they want to do. and if we have fewer immigrants than these, these kids are going to have to do that kind of thing well, you make the well, unless you make the job appealing pay them to be appealing and pay them to be paid a decent wage to, do that then everybody deserves be then everybody deserves to be paid wage rate already paid a decent wage rate already immigrant we're immigrant or whether we're national. absolutely. national. so yeah, absolutely. with should decide with the market we should decide when the market the market will normally someone's normally the wages if someone's paid, if the government steps out of the way and stops interfering, i don't think mass immigration at you know fabricated mass rapid immigration is a massive interference in the job market. well i found that yougov poll the number of britons who think it was the wrong decision to leave the eu is now 56, 32% say it is the right decision, which i presume that the remained the remainder don't actually know, do know gbviews@gbnews.uk . now, do know gbviews@gbnews.uk. now, coming up in just a moment, shamima , remember her? the isis shamima, remember her? the isis bride ? she begins her appeal bride? she begins her appeal against , her

bride? she begins her appeal against, her citizenship being revoked. we're going to be that in just a moment.

very good evening to you. welcome to dewbs& co with me. bev turner staying me until 7:00. david curson , the leader 7:00. david curson, the leader of the heritage party , manu, has of the heritage party, manu, has a few opinions and isn't afraid to share them and also on the other side is our author and broadcaster amy nicol. similarly brilliant at putting together an argument. you have been sending in your opinions. we're talking about brexit and immigration. this idea that we might go back into this swiss style arrangement with the eu, calling durham, is that an unelected pm and to lose a chancellor to and overturn brexit civil and political suicide . i'm a red political suicide. i'm a red wall voter we lent all votes and nina says, how many you have to hear the government that the

government are not trying to get back into the eu via the back doon back into the eu via the back door. it feels like it's always there isn't it. the spectre always a threat and said whether sunak wants the swiss sunak wants to use the swiss model or not, you won't be able to is. it's a complete reversal of the key mandate the last. of the key mandate of the last. thank much for all your thank you so much for all your messages. keep them coming, won't we've got another 20 won't you? we've got another 20 minutes on the show. gb news gb news uk now lawyers for news dot uk now lawyers for shamima begum insist that she was a victim child trafficking when she travelled into syria and joined the islamic state . and joined the islamic state. the immigration hearing is challenging the decision to revoke uk citizenship. it started today. a bacon was 15 when she ran away from london to join islamic state. she's been in captivity in northern syria for several years now . let me for several years now. let me tell you my feelings on this. when this story first happened in 2015, i was working at a rival media outlet and. this story broke and it led to big debates about it. i was

absolutely of the opinion she should be banned to rise. she shouldn't allowed here. she knew what she was doing . and then what she was doing. and then a couple of years later i had a 15 year old teenager in my house and i looked at him . i thought, and i looked at him. i thought, you are so vulnerable and you are at that age . between 14 to are at that age. between 14 to 16 is a very very vulnerable age. they that they're adults. they think they know everything and they know nothing . and now i and they know nothing. and now i look at it with a very different perspective. what do you think ? perspective. what do you think? i completely agree with i mean, i completely agree with you. i think she was exploited by isis she watched . she was by isis she watched. she was completely radicalised . an completely radicalised. an important thing here is she was radicalised the uk. she's a uk citizen. and then she went and did what she did , but she did did what she did, but she did not that lose her british sit as in chip. so more early and legally. i think we must be responsible when . it comes to responsible when. it comes to shamima begum and she should come back here, go through due

and be punished accordingly. but that should be done in the uk. she is the uk's problem with you. whatever you think of . she you. whatever you think of. she did go on, david. well, she's not uk citizen anymore. i mean she went when she was 15, but she went when she was 15, but she stayed for four years until she stayed for four years until she was 19. so she was an adult at that time. i don't think she could on a plane back, could just hop on a plane back, though. well, no she couldn't. and then then a citizenship was revoked. but the is, she's revoked. but the thing is, she's someone betrayed the country went isis. know went out to join isis. you know was horrible barbarous regime. was a horrible barbarous regime. okay now you could sort of make the argument, you know, and it's a moot point what she radicalised , you know, was she radicalised, you know, was she groomed, you know , that's what groomed, you know, that's what the court case is going to determine. i mean, i think on balance. well the government is trying to set a precedent here, you know, to say if you do this, if betray your country and if you betray your country and she's dual citizen . so she's she's a dual citizen. so she's also got a citizenship in bangladesh, i think there's she's betrayed britain and then they can revoke her citizenship and that's what they've done. so

let's hope that the court comes the right decision. when is appeal. surely that's the that's the point. it when the court comes to the decision about a british citizen in britain surely she's got can't be stateless whose problem is. well she's she's she's about what's doing that she's not their problem she's a bangladeshi citizen britain's she was she was born here and all she ever knew of the uk and bangladesh according to law now she's just according to law now she's just a citizen of bangladesh because she's betrayed britain she's gone out to fight with a horrible that has killed british people over there in the most terrible allegedly no not sure about this but allegedly she's helped to stuff the suicide vest of isis bombers. and so when she married one of them had children by them . and now the guy that by them. and now the guy that she married has died . well, she was married has died. well, he was only half a story. she's been pregnant three times and three times her children have died. what were you like a 15? i was very clever, i think. and i was very sensible. i was very

happy. was very sensible. i was very happy i was very sensible. i was very happy. i was like fighting between the north shore arms. but, you know, if you think about it. oh 15 i bet you were doing some stupid stuff. i don't remember actually doing doing too many silly things. i think you were 15. you can take responsibility for yourself. not everybody does . the thing is, everybody does. the thing is, this this the thing with this is this is the thing with society the moment . we sort society at the moment. we sort of making excuses for of keep making excuses for people being responsible for people not being responsible for their own actions. what if you tell adults or older or youth you're not response for war, then you try. if you take to its logical conclusion. david if there is a 15 year old girl who groomed by a this country, you are therefore saying has to take responsibility for her actions . responsibility for her actions. would you? i mean, this is this is not a group through she she was groomed she was . to go out was groomed she was. to go out but he's got to be consider to be a sort of grooming if. she was persuaded along with two of her friends, to get in a taxi,

to go to an airport to get on aeroplanes. so come off you said that's got to be a for great me. no, no you definitely agree that but i don't think anybody sitting here was trying to, trying to defend in any way what she's through. she's done through. but obviously are teenager, obviously when you are teenager, you think you're right about everything and you are incredibly rebellious. i can incredibly rebellious. so i can see how this would be more likely somebody who is as likely to somebody who is as young was. i mean, she's young as she was. i mean, she's not enough watch an 18 not even old enough watch an 18 movie. yet you're talking movie. and yet you're talking about she had complete about her as if she had complete aduh about her as if she had complete adult cognition. i don't think she not to she did. but that's not to defend. doing i'm just defend. she's doing i'm just saying that britain's saying that she is britain's problem and she should be brought back britain. do you brought back to britain. do you think also, david, an think also, david, is there an opportunity to from her? i opportunity to learn from her? i mean, know she's quite mean, i know she's quite a unique there aren't this unique case. there aren't this isn't that to isn't something that we need to talk it doesn't happen talk about. it doesn't happen very often. not we're very often. it's not like we're setting for the setting a precedent for the thousands of girls that thousands of these girls that there are a few, i think there are a few, though i think there's women there's about 23 different women in this situation at the moment. and why in way, we kind and that's why in a way, we kind of need to decide which way of do need to decide which way we this this is we go. this i mean, this is a totemic case, as you say. she's

not only person, but she's not the only person, but she's a lightning in a lot tension lightning rod in a lot tension on this is yeah she's she's the sort of media you know person who's she's who's become famous well she's almost she's almost almost infamous she's almost a figurehead that will we figurehead that will decide we are a soft touch or not. and i think we to be really think we have to be really careful, careful, careful, really careful, regardless feel regardless of how you feel about isis terrorism , regardless isis and terrorism, regardless of what obviously most people . of what obviously most people. it's a terrible thing. of course it but what saying is we it is. but what i'm saying is we have be careful to blame have to be careful not to blame everything door, if this have to be careful not to blame evergirlng door, if this have to be careful not to blame evergirl we door, if this have to be careful not to blame evergirl we shouldn'tf this have to be careful not to blame evergirl we shouldn't imbue with one girl we shouldn't imbue with so much power that , she dictates so much power that, she dictates the narrative this because in a way she's not the person to blame. whoever groomed her in this country . those people hate this country. those people hate they the radicalised sis. those are the people. we should be angry at. they are partly to blame . absolutely. but then blame. absolutely. but then we've also got to say, you have to be responsible , your own to be responsible, your own actions as well , because there actions as well, because there will always people around who will always be people around who try you and try to influence you and everybody in one way or the other. if we say well, no one is responsible for their it's only

other people who have tried to groom you influence you were groom you or influence you were responsible their actions . responsible for their actions. then will be found guilty then no one will be found guilty of but the thing of any whatsoever. but the thing is , if she over 18 and for is, if she were over 18 and for anyone over 18, it's a clear cut case, they will lose citizenship. yeah, no, no you know, no question whatsoever because she was 15 when this happened. you know, this is something that is a moot point . something that is a moot point. know what was she response double was she able to take responsible lizzie for her own actions? i would argue it's going before a court. actions? i would argue it's going before a court . and so going before a court. and so i hope that they find that direction. when you say there are many, many other people who would be very things to say, and i don't know, i think if she doesif i don't know, i think if she does if she is allowed , then does if she is allowed, then maybe there should be conditions attached and maybe should be encouraged to cooperate with the authorities and learn how we de—radicalize that de—radicalize young people that need bethnal green need to be in that bethnal green academy she was academy school where she was radicalised. you know, i feel like should be cleverer like maybe should be cleverer and her our advantage and using to her our advantage but bet loads of think i'm but i bet loads of you think i'm talking don't you me talking rubbish don't you let me

know, jeeves. gb news dot uk now coming up harry and meghan are being awarded stateside prize for that i just this it just makes me laugh this story for their heroic and commas stand again racism and exposing racism in the monarchy okay we're going to be chatting about that in just a moment.

welcome back, steve, and come with me bev turner this evening. we're just having a bit of a giggle here. in the break we say if shamima begum does come back, what does her life look like? will she actually rise in? will she go on the sofas doing all the talk shows? she might end up in blinking you in the blinking jungle? you know. any of us know. i don't think any of us would that. she must come would want that. she must come back. she face justice. we back. she must face justice. we must happened must understand what happened to her. don't want to her. you obviously don't want to back channels four her. you obviously don't want to back no channels four her. you obviously don't want to back no way channels four her. you obviously don't want to back no way shouldinnels four her. you obviously don't want to back no way should she ls four her. you obviously don't want to

back no way should she be our said no way should she be allowed back into this country. she wasn't trafficked and. she joined of own free joined isis of her own free will. was betraying this will. she was betraying this country says bring country always says bring her back your centres great back to your centres is great with defending her will back to your centres is great witidefending defending her will back to your centres is great witidefending herending her will back to your centres is great witidefending her actions. ier will back to your centres is great witidefending her actions. we'rel not defending her actions. we're just was just saying that she was a vulnerable maybe when vulnerable teenager maybe when she from warrington she went diane from warrington said no, no, no, we do not want this traitor back. sentry has said, should be said, no way, this should be allowed the uk. of allowed back to the uk. so of course human lawyers course human rights lawyers should totally ashamed of should be totally ashamed of themselves. on themselves. you know, sitting on themselves. you know, sitting on the on this. but like the fence on this. but like i say, i just wonder whether our angeris say, i just wonder whether our anger is directed the right anger is directed at the right person. maybe there are other people should be looking people that we should be looking out this sort of out to solve this sort of situation. now harry and situation. now prince harry and meghan are to be given a ripple of hope award in america it's awarded from the robert f kennedy human rights foundation who say that the couple took a heroic stand to oppose stroke through racism in the monarchy a previous recipient recipient of the award include desmond tutu and barack obama . amy oh harry

and barack obama. amy oh harry and barack obama. amy oh harry and meghan up there with . and meghan up there with. desmond tutu and barack obama . desmond tutu and barack obama. it comes to race awareness. well, i think that the framing of this segment has been a little bit disingenuous . oh, i little bit disingenuous. oh, i do know that that's amy nicole because they winning this award their work for their archewell foundation which has done a lot of humanitarian work and has been pretty good and, successful and also other recipients of the award . george clooney so well award. george clooney so well frames. okay but robert kennedy's daughter she's basically upset at least she says she wants them to get this award because they've racism in the royal family. do you think they think they've done that? i wonder? i bet meghan markle does believe she's she's done a very active. great kindness to race relations. i expect you are correct but you must agree that to come out with what she said

in front of however million people across the world about the oldest institution in the united kingdom . it did take united kingdom. it did take a certain amount of bravery. oh bravery, david curtain , or bravery, david curtain, or complete lack of appreciation for the amazing she's got in life and a willingness to undermine a wonderful institution . is the royal family institution. is the royal family institution. is the royal family in these two? they just bore me nowadays mean i'm just trying to avoid looking them and hearing what they say but there we go i mean this awards i mean looking at some of the other people who've it it's like a of all the most woke in the world you've got called desmond tutu whoa . i got called desmond tutu whoa. i mean, not desmond tutu, but most biden. obama bill clinton, hillary clinton, bono , al gore. hillary clinton, bono, al gore. who's the climate ? and now who's the climate? and now you've got harry, meghan. and you've got harry, meghan. and you know, this is being touted as they're being receiving award again for structural racism . and again for structural racism. and again, this is absolute nonsense

. i mean, the only thing that they can of point their finger at us as , far as i can see, is at us as, far as i can see, is someone allegedly had a bit of banter about what colour, hair or what skin. meghan and harry's child going to be, which is what some of the, you know, families joke about these kind of things all time. that's not structural racism . moving to the. they have racism. moving to the. they have done a lot of good as well. they i don't think humanitarian work this year seems to be mostly into the climate nonsense and setting up solar panels and wind farms, working with the women of afghanistan, working with ukraine, helping clean water rwanda. they have to see what was going what we could do in helping out in that regard here. amy but i think for me, it's interesting you mentioned that moment in the oprah interview because. that was clearly what considered to be the smoking gun . that interview, wasn't it, when meghan markle somebody asked how archie's skin would asked me how archie's skin would be a what shade it would be, and you know, and oprah did her

massive intake of breath and this was awful. and terror . and this was awful. and terror. and meghan markle did her acting thing of letting it sit in the air. and the accusation , it's air. and the accusation, it's just the seeds would just sown and harry didn't to defend his family today at that moment i thought that moment i remember thinking oh that's it mate you've messed it up. you're never going be in the never going to be back in the fold again. well i don't know. i think families are so complicated, aren't they? and we don't really know that dynamic between. father, his between. him, his father, his brother don't think we brother and i don't think we should pin as the should necessarily pin as the bad guy what he has done subsequently interview subsequently from that interview is some amazing work around health, some really stuff since that and he's how he's dealt with his own health since his mother died. i prince harry is deserving of a lot of credit as well i wonder what this conversation looks like about this award in the in the household though when they sit on this on lounges and where they live in montecito . thank they live in montecito. thank

you, amy in montecito they sit there and they sit there . vegan there and they sit there. vegan smoothie juice , whatever it is smoothie juice, whatever it is that they're having . meghan that they're having. meghan tries to persuade , we're going tries to persuade, we're going to go and get an award . and the to go and get an award. and the award is for the fact that we showed the world that your family are a bunch of racists . family are a bunch of racists. what does harry's what does harry say in that situation? he surely go . i'm not quite surely has to go. i'm not quite surely has to go. i'm not quite sure want be a given sure i want to be a given a reward for that. i it's very sad to see harry seems to be like totally under the thumb and sort of seems to be doing whatever she you know, just she wants, you know, just following around you following her around and, you know, going , getting know, going, going, getting these followed in the these awards and followed in the sun. if we say this if you say this, shamima begum has her own free will, then you also have to admit that harriet, whatever age she already has exactly . yeah, i she already has exactly. yeah, i know. like, well, why do know. it's like, well, why do you charity work? you call shower charity work? whoa, no, i'm calling the whoa, cory no, i'm calling the accusation for that work. and you're saying that which is . you're saying that which is. what was inside a parade ? woe, what was inside a parade? woe, cory. like, it's just solely humanitarian work isn't . whoa,

humanitarian work isn't. whoa, cory. well, you know , like we cory. well, you know, like we were mentioning sort of, you building wells in rwanda is very, very good. mean, this is my bet. but the accusations they made that that's what cory well, they philanthropists. i think you could consider them philanthropists at this stage. how many millions did they get netflix i you if you were philanthropists , shouldn't you philanthropists, shouldn't you be some sort of be sort of taking some sort of sacrifice your generosity? sacrifice for your generosity? i think the reason they set think the whole reason they set up archewell foundation is to benefit , to give away money, to benefit, to give away money, to the causes that mean a lot to them and it's nothing new for meghan markle . be interested meghan markle. be interested in humanitarian work. that's what she did before she met she did long before she met prince harry. we could commend her for. at the very least, you are scraping the bottom of a very barrel, larry. michael but i think did did an excellent job of it . what's the future for of it. what's the future for them then? we're just going to get bored them. oh, i don't know, i don't particularly care. i think whatever they do in the united them do it united states let them do it over and let them over there and let them get their rewards. i'm going be their rewards. and i'm going be concentrate on making this country better. somebody,

margaret meghan , this same harry and meghan, this the same prince was an adult 20 prince harry who was an adult 20 years age, wore years of age, wore a stormtrooper uniform complete with armband to with swastika armband to a costume party with 250 guests, an award for fighting racism in the monarchy . really? oh you the monarchy. really? oh you know i nearly poor guy i do oscillate with prince harry. i know he had a traumatic time. he had a time he lost his mother. and we shouldn't underestimate the effect that might have had. but i've got a great but listen, i've got a great time. you so much. enjoyed time. thank you so much. enjoyed this. debating ten things thought. is the as as thought. here is the mass as as much the net. david curson much as the net. david curson and nicole i be on and amy nicole i be back on gb newsroom 10 am. with a newsroom hour at 10 am. with a great show. i would love to join in for that good look whales and hayes nigel farage . thank you hayes nigel farage. thank you very much indeed. bev well, tonight we'll be celebrating engush tonight we'll be celebrating english football. of course, we'll be celebrating dancing as well . but before we get to that, well. but before we get to that, i've got to ask the question is now back on the agenda. is it being betrayed ed? that'll be our big debate of that coming

up. first, let's get the weather . hi there , aidan mcgivern here . hi there, aidan mcgivern here with the latest forecast from the met office. showers overnight will continue in many places , but eventually clear places, but eventually clear spells will develop . and under spells will develop. and under those clear skies , a frost and those clear skies, a frost and fork is likely, but for the time being, low pressure in charge of the weather. a couple of lows across the uk bringing weather and those weather fronts have stalled . central parts of the uk stalled. central parts of the uk overnight. they'll continue to bnng overnight. they'll continue to bring persistent rain for a time to northern, for example, north wales , northern england and the wales, northern england and the nonh wales, northern england and the north midlands. but eventually the more , more on and the rain turns more, more on and off and increasingly it will be showers rather than longer spells of rain, very showery towards the south and southwest with , a gusty wind as well as with, a gusty wind as well as the far . but with, a gusty wind as well as the far. but in with, a gusty wind as well as the far . but in between with, a gusty wind as well as the far. but in between some clear spells and a such a frost first thing quite murky, i think across parts of england across central parts of england into northern england into wales northern england with some low cloud in places now some fog low cloud in places now live through the morning brighter return and by the afternoon showers will be

confined to the southwest and north and northeast where there could be longer spells of rain and a strong wind . otherwise and a strong wind. otherwise away from the showers, sunny spells , brighter day to come for spells, brighter day to come for many compared with monday's weather . and we keep the clear weather. and we keep the clear spells many places on tuesday evening , temperatures falling evening, temperatures falling fast through evening, a frost forming in many places. fast through evening, a frost forming in many places . but by forming in many places. but by midnight , forming in many places. but by midnight, next bout of wet and windy is pushing in from the west. southwest that will bring not only wind and rain, but it will bring rising temperatures by the end of the night so frost free in the west whilst . we've free in the west whilst. we've got that cold start further east minus three, minus four celsius for some parts of northern and northeast scotland . the rain in northeast scotland. the rain in the though, quickly east the west, though, quickly east and north—east arriving into eastern england by mid—morning, clearing here by and then moving into central northeast scotland by the afternoon . blustery by the afternoon. blustery showers follow those showers, be heavy with gusty winds especially across wales and the south—west. and thursday same again wind, rain followed by

blustery showers .

tonight on fire are just rumours swirl about a new swiss star relationship with the eu. we'll ask is brexit being we'll celebrate the football's today terry butcher former england captain a man who played in three world cups. we'll discuss the 60 win against iran. and joining me on talking pints, the founder of pineapple dance studios , debbie moore. but studios, debbie moore. but before all of that, let's get the news headlines . hello. good the news headlines. hello. good evening. i'm tamsin roberts in the gb newsroom whales are back

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