saturday yes. hello, everybody. you're with me patrick christys on gb news. and it's an action packed first hour for you today. storm wants to end reliance on cheap foreign labour. it's, you know , foreign labour. it's, you know, tougher on immigration than the tories. has he played a blinder manston migrant detention centre has been cleared well as the uk going to war with energy companies and is i'm a celebrity get me out of here folks racist and sexist here name we start with sir keir telling business leaders they need to wing themselves off cheap foreign laboun themselves off cheap foreign labour. the labour leader called on businesses to focus on investing more in training of workers who are already here i.e. for the most british

workers. this raises serious questions for me and i want your take this gbviews@gbnews.uk . is take this gbviews@gbnews.uk. is starmer now tougher on than sunak's tories british workers being undercut foreign workers all our brits actually a bit lazy . are we at war with energy lazy. are we at war with energy firms in the uk.7 i7 lazy. are we at war with energy firms in the uk? 17 british energy suppliers have told by the regulator ofgem they have to improve how they deal with vulnerable customers. how is yours going on? how is it treating you? it comes as a windfall tax he's already giving shell the shivers, shock, horror if we talk some more they'll just leave. and in the just leave. and later in the show i want hear from should show i want hear from you should we judge rishi for having a private same day gp reports show the prime minister is registered with a private gp that guarantees same day appointments after he vowed to protect the nhs as being free at the point of use . i'm not being funny. of use. i'm not being funny. wouldn't you just go if you could afford it? big one for you today. email me gb news or gbnews.uk. who do you back? more on immigration ? is it labour or on immigration? is it labour or the tories ? believe me, even ask

the tories? believe me, even ask it now. vaiews@gbnews.uk but before is your headlines . before that is your headlines. a very good afternoon to you. 3:02. i'm bracey. right. let's you up to date nottinghamshire have said the mother of two young children who were killed. a flat fire has died . the case a flat fire has died. the case is now being treated a triple murder for two men. haidara have on life support since the blaze in clifton early on sunday morning . the children aged one morning. the children aged one and three were treated at the scene for smoke inhalation but later died in hospital . later died in hospital. detectives have been given another 36 hours to question a 31 year old man on suspicion of killing the family. 31 year old man on suspicion of killing the family . the uk must killing the family. the uk must itself off immigration dependency . that's the message dependency. that's the message from the labour leader to business bosses. sir keir starmer told the confederation of business the days of low pay and labour must end and that it's and labour must end and that wsfime and labour must end and that it's time to invest now in. training those already in the uk

. he also promised to be mattock about the shortage of workers saying if he gets into government he's willing to accept increased skilled immigration. but our common goal must be to help the british economy off its immigration dependence , to start investing dependence, to start investing more in training workers who are already here. the days when low pay already here. the days when low pay and cheap are part of the british way , growth must . this british way, growth must. this about brexit all around the world. business is waking up to the fact . we live in a new era the fact. we live in a new era for labour and while adapting our low growth model is holding us back . the home office says us back. the home office says a migrant centre in kent is now completely empty after concerns it had become extremely overcrowded . it said the manston overcrowded. it said the manston site to temporarily house people who've reached the uk via the engush who've reached the uk via the english channel has been cleared, having moved everyone that was there to hotels at its

peak earlier this the centre was holding 4000 migrants, at least double its capacity living conditions and it's expected cold wretched energy supplies have been named and shamed for failing customers with the regulator saying problems across board need to be urgently addressed . a review found severe addressed. a review found severe at five companies. good energy outfox esso energy , true energy outfox esso energy, true energy and utility ofgem says households missing out on free gas safety and firms aren't doing to identify those on prepayment metres who may need financial . prepayment metres who may need financial. in total, suppliers have been told they need to improve their approach to vulnerable customers . x plants vulnerable customers. x plants are protesting against real term reduction in their uk state pensions . nearly half a million pensions. nearly half a million oaps live in countries that have an up rating agreement with the uk. now that means their state pension is frozen at the level

it was when they started receiving it. the demonstrators say many of them are getting less than half full state pension of less than half full state pension o f £141 a week. there pension of £141 a week. there are people around the world who are people around the world who are being pushed below the poverty line and are absolutely in desperation of this lack of pension . some people are pension. some people are actually existing on pensions as little as 2 0 £30 a week. it is little as 20 £30 a week. it is absolutely impossible live under these circumstances without on charity . the prime minister has charity. the prime minister has warned they'll have to justify their expense says after being told they'll be allowed to use taxpayers money to fund staff christmas parties. alcohol will be off limits , but guidance be off limits, but guidance issued by the independent parliamentary standards authority suggests things like office decorations included. the move is being criticised by voters . people are doing more voters. people are doing more than one job a day and people are saving on their heating costs and especially like people like my relatives and relatives

and pensioners , they're and pensioners, they're struggling. they're not turning the heating on really out of order. so see , we should operate order. so see, we should operate if they enjoy money when they're putting everything up, if they enjoy money when they're putting everything up , people putting everything up, people have to pay for their own things , not have to pay for their own christmas buy. so i don't see why shouldn't fund it with why they shouldn't fund it with their own earnings. not everyone else one roof for else is earning one roof for them one for another long them and one for another long rule us and one for them. rule for us and one for them. i it's absolutely dreadful to see the of living for everybody. people struggling. they're people are struggling. they're not think it's not struggling. i think it's a disgrace for the. the number of people killed during . the people killed during. the indonesian earthquake has risen to 268. many the victims are children . disaster relief children. disaster relief officials say 151 people are still missing. a day after the 5.6 magnitude quake . 25 5.6 magnitude quake. 25 aftershocks have rocked the region. that's triggered landslides and has hampered rescue efforts. the latest figures suggest more than a thousand people have been injured , 58,000 displaced, and

injured, 58,000 displaced, and 22,000 homes damaged. the king is hosting his first state visit as monarch . king charles has as monarch. king charles has welcomed the south african president, cyril ramaphosa, dunng president, cyril ramaphosa, during a ceremony at horse guards parade. they then proceeded along the mall by carriage way to buckingham palace, where a banquet be held in the president's honour. president ramaphosa will also address parliament meet with address parliament and meet with the minister . address parliament and meet with the minister. you're up the prime minister. you're up to date on gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now back to . more as it happens. now back to. pat okay, people, let's get cracking circuits . almost all businesses, circuits. almost all businesses, you stop relying on cheap foreign immigrant and do more to train british, to have the skills to get into . it's skills to get into. it's a shrewd move to appeal many working class voters, but still leaves the door open to mass migration. he told the confederate and british industry dunng confederate and british industry during a speech this morning the

goalis during a speech this morning the goal is to wean off its, quote , goal is to wean off its, quote, immigration dependency. let's just a look and listen to what he said. what our common must be to help the british economy off its dependency , to start its dependency, to start investing more in training workers who are already here. the days when low and cheap labour are part the british way on growth must end . this isn't on growth must end. this isn't about brexit at all the world. business is waking up to the fact we live in a new era. labour and they're adapting . our labour and they're adapting. our low growth model is holding us back. low growth model is holding us back . yeah, really fascinating back. yeah, really fascinating comments that come just 24 hours actually after the prime minister, rishi sunak, told the same group of business leaders that his focus is on illegal immigration. so it's keir starmer starting to outmanoeuvre tories and gain on immigration . tories and gain on immigration. i've got a poll running at the minute at patrick christys on my

twitter page here do you now trust more when it comes to immigration. is it starmer or is sunak. you can take part in that . email me as well. gb news. gb news. i suspect none of the above well be the above may well be the overbearing to but overbearing answer to that, but let's out. let's find out. vaiews@gbnews.uk our political correspondent harwood joins me in the studio now. fascinating opfics in the studio now. fascinating optics here from keir starmer , optics here from keir starmer, pandenng optics here from keir starmer, pandering to the red wall, pandenng pandering to the red wall, pandering to the red wall, pandering to the red wall, pandering to the working classes, at least he wants to get brits into work more. and it's fascinating . this is it's fascinating. this is happening at the cbi , the happening at the cbi, the confederation of british industry , who yesterday hosted, industry, who yesterday hosted, of course, the minister, rishi sunak. there big message over the last two days of their annual conference has been we need more migration . we need a need more migration. we need a liberalised system because are over a million job vacancies in this country. and they're calling for a broader shortage list and the rest of it. now, rishi sunak told them yesterday , “0, rishi sunak told them yesterday , no, that's not the path he wants go down. it didn't get that much media coverage, though. rishi sir keir starmer,

however, are mixing their names, perhaps because they say blimey. so blooming similar, but. but sir keir starmer today doing his whole big pitch on the one hand leaning into business in terms saying we're a pro—business policy now but on the other hand making his big point of difference of migration difference that of migration saying he doesn't want a big liberalisation programme saying instead wants train british instead he wants train british workers. is he a lawyer on fire? because it wasn't that long. he was mr. eu , mr. freedom of was all mr. eu, mr. freedom of movement there i say it close to open borders . he he movement there i say it close to open borders. he he was a he did sign to the labour campaign for freedom of movement. he did say in ten campaign pledges to in his ten campaign pledges to become labour leader that he wanted to protect that freedom of movement of course every single one of these campaign pledges later ditched whether it was nationalisation of miliband's tumblr ace of stone. yes, a bit like that in a pub garden in kensington. now the way but carry on ed miliband's tablets students ed stone tablets students at the ed stone it became was fascinating it became known was fascinating because out those ten pledges because out of those ten pledges there a single one that

there wasn't a single one that mentioned it. no, i favourite one i think was number four, an nhs with to care. yeah. what does that mean. yeah. it's not a policy but back the specific immigration. but back to the specifics , keir starmer, really specifics, keir starmer, really clearly trying to present a path that the labour party has changed , trying to say that changed, trying to say that really this is about training up new people. he wouldn't interestingly however commit to reducing the level of migration. the obe all last week saying they expect over the next five years migration to come down a little bit but settle around the 200,000 mark. that of course is double the target that david cameron had back in the early 20 tens. let's just this down a little bit because the conservatives at moment it would appear anyway don't really have any plan for growth other than potentially be that their that seems to be that their overbearing thing, which i know a of the traditional a lot of the traditional conservative happy conservative voters not be happy with, got i these fancy with, they've got i these fancy which you dispute that's which you would dispute that's the obama would say that the only pro—growth thing in the in

the autumn statement last week was the migration but rishi sunak would say that his big pro—growth thing is education and making curriculum more strict and also protecting the r&d budget. these are the two things we told the cbi yesterday . they don't seem like things that's not sexy. what is keir starmer's come away from it now at least with the headlines. well, i want to get to grips with legal immigration, whether or actually and is or not he actually and this is what i want to drill down with you because he's you on now, because he's basically saying, want basically saying, we want workers have a fair deal. workers to have a fair deal. yep. enough that would yep. fair enough that would presumably involve paying them more, on to more, which would fall on to business not the states business owners, not the states generally. business owners generally. so business owners might this now might be looking at this now thinking i'm going to have to up wages. itself no wages. that in itself is no bad thing for your working man and woman. starmer actually also woman. but starmer actually also doesn't really want to necessarily reduce the of necessarily reduce the number of immigrants immigrants. so i don't quite understand how this all works on a spreadsheet. well, interesting, of well, it's interesting, of course, is course, because there is currently migration.

currently quite high migration. the migration numbers this year are higher than they were before brexit . so of course this is brexit. so of course this is under points based system, under the points based system, however. all people however. so these are all people who skills shortages who are filling skills shortages . these are mainly high skilled people. the question perhaps of particularly the hospitality industry, is that there aren't enough low skilled people coming in, lots of high skilled, middle of low skilled. that's the complaint of some hospitality. the not really the labour party, not really addressing specifics there, addressing the specifics there, but that want to but saying that they want to train up people to these train up people to fill these gaps. now out of the million plus job vacancies. yeah not a huge degree if are massively skilled. this is problem. so sir keir starmer might well be looking at the wrong end of the spectrum that is might not be much about people to fill those job vacancies . it might be at job vacancies. it might be at the other end of the spectrum, maybe it's too easy to not be in one. and there is a big question of trust. tom, thank you very much. somehow with that all, political correspondent on political correspondent, on this issue touched issue of trust getting touched by gbviews@gbnews.uk , by the way, gbviews@gbnews.uk, do that? keir starmer

do you trust that? keir starmer actually does to do much actually does want to do much about , legal or about immigration, legal or illegal and do you think, frankly as well that his plan to was not too far off opponents based immigration system, let's be honest with you would work but i can go now to the former editor labour list peter edwards and the director of hgv centre mark fellows . you very much both mark fellows. you very much both of you great. have a stellar line up at the top of the show. mark, i'll with you this opens several questions to me the keir starmer stuff all british currently being by cheap foreign. what if we could afternoon if we look at the tv world which is obviously what specialise in i would say not obviously we had brexit last year brexit collided quite spectacularly with the pandemic and we lost a very large percentage our foreign labour who then decided sort of get out of the country . i would say not of the country. i would say not because they haven't returned and in actual fact last year

reacting to the fuel crisis, the government reissued 5000 temporary visas for , foreign temporary visas for, foreign drivers to come back. and i think the last count when they stopped counting was about hundred who chose to take up the offer. i'm sorry not just just quickly on that before go to peter because i think the tv stuff has got real relevance here. i know it was exceptional circumstances the pandemic and for while you could coin it for a while you could coin it and really because we were desperate hgv drivers but desperate for hgv drivers but before not an before that was there not an issue with potentially, dare i say, polish hungarian drivers, romanian drivers. i'm just going off what i've been hearing in press around this maybe being happy to work for less than british drivers or is that just not the case? i think that certainly the rhetoric that was coming out from from foreign people in uk that people here in the uk that drivers prepared to come drivers were prepared to come over slightly less over and work for slightly less because their costs were slightly less. so, yes. would say that is true. i think say that that is true. i think it's worth making the point it's also worth making the point that that came over that those people that came over worked and value worked very hard and added value to economy and to the tv to the economy and to the tv world but certainly now post

fuel crisis. we are seeing salaries increasing and that means that now the only solution in this country as , keir did in this country as, keir did say, is to train. train train. more drivers are using driver what will you be bromley seamlessly to my next point peter i was thank you very much editor of labour list throw it over to you now is keir a slightly sticky wicket when it comes to training british to do more purely because some point you might have to confront the truth that maybe we maybe dare i say some brits are lazy and need to a bit harder. i think certainly don't think it's a lazy debate and any part of any politician says i would be toast, but it's fair to say that life labour, this is not easy relationship with these two issues that come together. brexit and immigration both you know, it might just be facing and there's completely right labour wants to win the election

it starts talking about these things and as time goes on i think it's a bit of a rebuild of credibility for labour. but i think keir starmer did that very well tonight . and i might also well tonight. and i might also begin to say that the government has and the way that the pace of these topics and don't want to make everything partisan on slate online is that david cameron's pledge which to get immigration to 2000 and that essentially a made up figure for political convenience than anything of the what was it. well it was absolute rubbish because not only was it an obtainable, he didn't have any desire of doing that. and nobody now either. so it was just a bit kind of like narnia politics. peter just stay with you on this one. kids me? not really too strong when it comes to the illegal immigration aspects of it, which i think is arguably a bigger issue in the red wall

than this. all of foreign workers stealing our jobs actually, i think the illegal immigration side of things is maybe a bit bigger for them. and he doesn't seem to be doing that question. yeah, and i think this idea foreign workers stealing idea of foreign workers stealing , frankly, it , ourjobs, quite frankly, it might president 20 might be president or 20 years ago i very rarely meet anyone that speaks way anymore. i think the chances illegal immigration . is the chances illegal immigration. is the chances illegal immigration. is the numbers behind their findings so far and that's obviously going to be a tough there is talk about but personally i'm delighted we have evacuated i would say okay i've got ciro ed miliband when labour had it as a similarly tricky relationship with issues around immigration and it very briefly i always have to blur the lines when i speak about legal and illegal immigration and asylum. and i think done that replaceable ingredients well. okay peter thanks very much . get okay peter thanks very much. get the final word to you, mark fellows, who is the director of

hgv recruitment centre book. is there an issue which is the. yes, okay. we to get british people trained up and get them working and we're going to talk later on in the show about things like apprenticeships and all of this stuff and the stigma sightings and practical trades, which i'm very, big on. but which i'm very, very big on. but employers are going to have to start paying them more. and when they to look after their they want to look after their bottom line all they actually to be to do that are they be able to do that or are they just going to keep going for people who cheaper? well, people who are cheaper? well, i don't they've got the don't think they've got the opfion don't think they've got the option for people that are option to go for people that are cheaper there now cheaper because there is now less route foreign less of a route for foreign labour come back. if foreign labour to come back. if foreign labour to come back. if foreign labour actually want to labour did actually want to come. so the government launched the bootcamp last year, the skills bootcamp last year, reacting fuel crisis reacting to the fuel crisis that's market. that's helped the market. we have seen salaries go up. they're not rising with inflation, but you know what salaries are moment. you salaries are at the moment. you know, employers , whilst know, i think employers, whilst they're to tight they're working to tight margins, , they to margins, record, they have to put up. seen put salaries up. we've seen happen. we seeing benefits happen. we are seeing benefits slowly of people are training coming into the market through

the boot camps and through private funded individuals who see the salaries are going up. so, you know, there is still a step up in opportunity for people own. someone, for people own. if someone, for example, working a retail example, is working a retail store, they can now on 30, 35, £40,000 a year driving a lorry and we're seeing more people trying to so, which is trying to do so, which is because follow both of you, because to follow both of you, thank you very, very much. i was former editor of labour les peter. i was on the director hgv recruitment mark fellows recruitment centre mark fellows that was reacting to keir starmer's earlier about starmer's comments earlier about the view, needs the fact that in his view, needs to wean off immigration basically and start training brits as loads of angles get stuck into it. and we are going to do the opposite a lot of it throughout the course of this show. are really being show. are british really being undercut by, cheap foreign labour? think we need to labour? do you think we need to do reduce net migration do more to reduce net migration as and retrain do as a whole and retrain brits? do think that some brits need to work harder a lot to discuss that and want all it in the that and i want all it in the inbox right now. gbp is gb news dot uk. but just moving on from that from the money your pocket in sense to

in an employment sense to frankly going out it frankly i was going out of it when comes to your energy when it comes to your energy bills, do feel your bills, how do you feel your energy firm treating you? energy firm is treating you? because the energy regulator, ofgem has told 17 one seven energy firms today that they need to improve their approach with, quote, vulnerable customers. so a review revealed that some customers would be missing out on free gas safety checks and have been making debt repayments. so it stopped customers from being able top up their prepayment metres. but today shell and this for me is the big one. not that i don't care about vulnerable customers, but there's a bigger picture here which is that shell are fighting on the higher fighting back on the higher taxes this was taxes imposed on them. this was the argument always to be an argument against windfall oil taxes, is that if you are taxes, which is that if you are deaung taxes, which is that if you are dealing multinational dealing a giant multinational company that does not need cut as a favour because they deal with world if you operate under an uncertain tax footing. so if you have a company and, you go all of a sudden they feel as they might get clobbered with a windfall. well, they'll just pull out one night and shock

horror show a potentially doing just that the oil giant's uk david punch said that they'd re—examine each of its on a case by case basis afterjeremy hunt increased the levy access oil and gas profits that windfall tax from 25 to 35. let's talk now to angela knight. he's the former chief executive of energy uk. angela thank you very much. it's all well and good virtue signalling overall tax, but if it means that the likes of shell don't pump investment into the uk , isn't it bit of a false uk, isn't it a bit of a false economy? yes. let's just look at the numbers there. first of all, as what they really because you've just said when full of 25% going to 35, actually they already pay at 40% a twice the normal corporation tax. so in effect, the tax is going from 65% where it was set earlier to 75. that's three quarters of the profit and that is lot of money. there are some that shell and

anyone who gets hit with that sort of tax, which are those people extract oil and gas of our part of the north sea and where we can tax it, there are some offsets and those offsets relate to investment . so what i relate to investment. so what i think that all companies should do is whilst there is a temptation to say this is terrible , whatever, just like terrible, whatever, just like the government said, this has got to happen , that actually the got to happen, that actually the companies and government around the table and work out exactly how it is operationally and how that high level, if you like policy is put into practise in a way where there is truly some reasonable fair share of the profit with the british people but it doesn't i think a lot of companies a lot of this boils down for your average common man and woman on the street or shivering their homes, whichever way you want to look at how much of better deal or a more of a better deal or a more secure deal are the likes of shell getting into the countries i.e. are we already treating big

firms like so badly when it comes to other nations? because if we are them we don't need to do it anymore because it will cost us 25 billion quid in this case, potentially. think case, potentially. well, i think as as taxing oil and as far as taxing the oil and companies concerned , we may companies and concerned, we may be doing it the highest the world nearly the highest are world or nearly the highest are right up there anyway. and are other other countries which don't it the same way equally , don't it the same way equally, whatever happens with oil , with whatever happens with oil, with oil and gas taxation doesn't necessarily flow through to what we pay for gas and electric state from suppliers because . state from suppliers because. all those suppliers are called energy companies and the oil and gas drillers are also called energy companies , as, by the energy companies, as, by the way, our electricity are called energy companies. way, our electricity are called energy companies . and the energy companies. and the distributors, you know, they national grid and they networks are energy companies. these are all different parts of the picture. and what have to be very careful to do is not confuse part and their profits with another part and how much it's costing us because if we do

that we'll just get it right the way across the piece . all right. way across the piece. all right. thank you very much. that's former chief executive of energy uk, angela knight. that strategy, the fact that it's shock, horror, if you absolutely clobber massive firms, international oil firms with huge, unexpected taxes , then huge, unexpected taxes, then they do want done. there we go . they do want done. there we go. taking 25 billion quid with them potentially . so you potentially. so anyway, you always mean patrick christys own gb coming up , always mean patrick christys own gb coming up, king is gb news coming up, king is hosting his first state visit as not welcoming african not welcoming south african president cyril ramaphosa and his to the uk. they are having a rather fancy lunch, an apparently rather fancy dinner as right, isn't it? as it's all right, isn't it? i wouldn't mind we're going wouldn't mind that. we're going to our own to speak to our own correspondent, walker correspondent, cameron walker week. all that coming your way. plus well, we are talking about the fact that the manston migrant detention centre has been cleared is good thing. they've managed to play catch up quite quickly. however quite quickly. it does however mean new mean that's putting a new migrant hotel somewhere near you. about all that you. we'll talk about all that and it .

welcome back , people. now, loads welcome back, people. now, loads of you been getting in touch with your thoughts on immigration and workers in light of what keir starmer earlier prison needs to wean itself of cheap migrant labour gbviews@gbnews.uk . john says gbviews@gbnews.uk. john says it's rich for labour to talk about training a home—grown workforce. it was that opened our borders to cheap labour, causing lack of training and low salaries . i causing lack of training and low salaries. i mean, inclined salaries. i mean, i'm inclined to agree you, to honest to agree with you, to be honest with joining. another with you. joining. yes. another impacts of tony blair on the united kingdom. anyway, shelly says, labour more says, i do not trust labour more than conservatives on than the conservatives on immigration i trust immigration and i do not trust the conservative with the conservative at all with this current prime minister it's fascinating it? fascinating stuff, isn't it? paving way for kind of new paving way for some kind of new policy that actually policy that does actually particularly about our particularly care about our borders. do you feel, though , borders. do you feel, though, that actually british workers sometimes need to do the dirty work? they turn their nose up work? do they turn their nose up atjobs work? do they turn their nose up at jobs other people will at jobs that other people will

do that's case? and do if that's the case? and haven't only got ourselves haven't we only got ourselves blame? says, wonder blame? margaret says, i wonder why need migrant why we need to have migrant workers employment gaps workers fill employment gaps here as have here in the uk as we have thousands young coming thousands of young people coming out of the education system every not all going to every year. not all going to university. we're going to talk about later. margaret about this later. margaret fascinating point. i agree with it we to stop a it entirely. we need to stop a lot people doing meaningless lot of people doing meaningless courses university brewing courses at university brewing and is. david and it whatever it is. david studies somewhere else that trope of underwater basket weaving. no, let's get people out into the workforce and plumbers. we need all these people should not people and we should not stigmatise who do go stigmatise people who do not go to come to university and come out saddled lifetime of saddled with a lifetime of pointless debt . go with me. pointless debt. go with me. patrick christys on gb news. coming we're going be coming up, we're going to be talking all about the state. visit is hosting his first state visit. course, visit. we're of course, expecting hear lot from expecting to hear a lot from mick the rmt, but with all mick from the rmt, but with all the headlines . it's 3:30 the latest headlines. it's 3:30 on voting rights. let's get you up to date. nottinghamshire have said the mother of two young

children who were killed in a flat fire has died. the case is now being treated as a triple. fatoumata had been on life support since the blaze in clifton early on sunday morning. the children, aged one and three, were treated at the scene for smoke inhalation, but later died in hospital. detectives have been given another 36 hours to question the 31 year old man on suspicion of killing the family . the uk must itself off family. the uk must itself off immigration. family. the uk must itself off immigration . that's the message immigration. that's the message the labour leader to business bosses , sir keir starmer, told bosses, sir keir starmer, told the confederation of business industry the days of low and cheap labour must end and that it's cheap labour must end and that wsfime cheap labour must end and that it's time to invest in training those already in the uk . he's those already in the uk. he's also promised to be pragmatic about the shortage of workers, saying if he gets into government, he's willing to accept increased skills . the accept increased skills. the home office says a migrant processing centre in kent is now completely empty after concerns it become extremely overcrowded. they said the manston site used

to temporarily people who reached the uk by. the english channel has been cleared . having channel has been cleared. having moved everyone that was there to hotels at its peak earlier this month the centre was holding 4000 migrants at least double its capacity. living conditions an inspector called wretched . an inspector called wretched. the king is hosting his first state visit as monarch. king charles has welcomed south african president cyril ramaphosa during a ceremony at horse guards parade . they then horse guards parade. they then proceeded along the mound carriage by to buckingham palace , where a bank will be held in the president's honour. president ramaphosa will also address parliament and meet with the prime minister. on your tv, onune the prime minister. on your tv, online and dab+ radio. this is gb news. let's go back to . patrick yes, welcome back. loads to talk

about today. in a little bit, we're going to be talking about who you trust more when it comes to controlling our borders, labour or, the tories. never thought that, but thought i'd be asking that, but i light of what keir i in light of what sir keir starmer has said, but before all of the king is hosting his of that, the king is hosting his first state visit as monarch. as he's the african he's welcome the south african president, ramaphosa and, president, cyril ramaphosa and, his the uk , prince and his wife to the uk, prince and princess wales , met the princess of wales, met the president earlier morning before escorting him to the horse guards parade that came and camilla, the queen consort , camilla, the queen consort, which may have just called the queen, now really formally greeted president as the two greeted the president as the two day trip began with ceremonial welcome. the president is to visit westminster abbey. later attending a banquet hosted by the king at buckingham palace and is the first state visit to the uk in more than three years after they were stopped during covid fun fact covid pandemic. little fun fact tourism. the last state visit was trump. they go only how times change anyway. let's hear now from our royal correspondent cameron , who is in his cameron walker, who is in his natural habitat, buckingham palace. cameron was going . on

palace. cameron was going. on patrick, i feel like i should move in. i'm here often enough, but is the royal family's power of soft diplomacy ? that is all of soft diplomacy? that is all here today. building ties between south africa and the kingdom, as you said , the first kingdom, as you said, the first time since president trump was hosted by the late queen elizabeth, the second back in 2019, when the queen hosted more than 100 state visits during the course of her reign. but today is king the third first time hosting a state's visits to the united kingdom. he started off with a ceremony will welcome greeting the south president cyril ramaphosa at horse guards parade as as 1000 troops, 230 horses and 41 guns in green park and another one at the tower of london and now the king and the south african presidents inspected guard of honour. the seven at number seven,

coldstream guards which the king is colonel in chief of , and then is colonel in chief of, and then accompanied by the queen consort and the prince and princess wales. the king travelled with african presidents in two states coaches. the irish state coach and the australian coach. optimal here is where i am. it's buckingham palace, where a private lunch was held. so now a couple of other things happening . this afternoon the south african president now left buckingham palace. he is currently in westminster , first currently in westminster, first visiting westminster abbey, where he'll be laying a wreath at the tomb at the unknown soldier and then he will be looking at the memorial for the former south african president nelson mandela, who would then be going into the palace of westminster, where he is to address both houses of parliament before coming back here to buckingham palace for , a here to buckingham palace for, a magnificent state, banquets now a visit isn't actually organised by the royal family. well, this is organised by. the royal family. forgive me, but it's not the invites of the royal family.

it's the foreign office which actually invites the foreign head of to state here. it's all about strengthening ties . the about strengthening ties. the conservative, the south africa and the united kingdom and that's much going to be a theme tomorrow because prime minister rishi sunak and the president, cyril ramaphosa , expected to cyril ramaphosa, expected to take part in talks. a bilateral meeting inside number ten downing street, south africa , downing street, south africa, actually the largest trading partner , the united kingdom partner, the united kingdom within the of africa. so no doubt , it's within the of africa. so no doubt, it's very much the government's aim to strengthen that friendship and these ties with the royal families help of soft diplomacy kind of look. thank you very much. you can come to make your own a fabulous scarf as well. come on a walk that all royal correspondent buckingham palace just whizzing you the first state you through the first state visit that king charles and the queen are hosting anyway we are expecting surely on everyone's favourite trade unionist mick lynch, the rmt is mick lynch.

we're going to hear from him. apparently he's warning of yet more strikes. i mean, it'd more rail strikes. i mean, it'd be if he wasn't, wouldn't be weird if he wasn't, wouldn't almost to be doing his job. almost want to be doing his job. he more strikes he wasn't talking more strikes that you that we get. we'll bring you that we get. we'll bring you that live. lucky. people that live. you're lucky. people are also going to bring you the latest the appeal shamima latest on the appeal for shamima begum back the begum to return back to the united kingdom. do you feel united kingdom. how do you feel about all of that? some more details i am details emerging now? i am inclined our security inclined to our security services more than i am trust services more than i am to trust various lawyers who maybe have a vested interest gbviews@gbnews.uk also going to be asking, as indeed we all throughout course of the show as well, who do trust more when it comes to immigration and keir starmer we to wean starmer said we need to wean ourselves off immigrant labour does though let's does actually mean though let's be ago be honest it wasn't long ago this guy much pretty much this guy pretty much pretty much wanted borders . be in wanted open borders. be back in a moment .

action packed show and gentlemen yesterday, shamima begum , a new yesterday, shamima begum, a new appeal against the stripping her british citizenship with her legal team arguing that was recruited, groomed and trafficked syria as a child now strong views from both sides . strong views from both sides. this it's fair to say the court heard from emily five officer who said that back in respects would known what she was doing when . she travelled but ms. when. she travelled but ms. begum's lawyers asserted that the 15 year old was influenced by determined and effective isis propaganda machine . well, today propaganda machine. well, today the special immigration appeals commission hearing khan . ten commission hearing khan. ten years on there to pick the bones out it for is our political reporter catherine foster who is the at the saying. yes, thank you very much for the way a royal mail van is rather just royal mail van is ratherjust pulled up straight behind , pulled up straight behind, rather ruining the backdrop of that. because was the that. we go because it was the latest please in what a case latest please in what is a case thatis latest please in what is a case that is gripping the nation and strongly is on both sides happening . well so far today the happening. well so far today the court has been meeting in closed

session. what that means is that all the journalists are waiting expectantly in basement but have yet to be let in. we were told potentially from 3:00 when i came out just now we're still waiting. and of course to emphasise this doesn't sit just how sensitive case is. it's a matter of national security. the security are involved. they may guy that spoke yesterday they of course gave evidence from behind a screen many questions that were asked yesterday . the answer were asked yesterday. the answer came back. i may be able to answer this in closed session . answer this in closed session. but basically we found out didn't yesterday that bacon's lawyers are arguing that she was groomed she was trafficked she was to some extent brain . am was to some extent brain. am i five did come back fairly strongly say that given she was 15 on course for as may stars articulate given the massive

about the beheadings were going on at the time that really she did know what she was getting into but a couple of things the lawyer saw in the open session are are not allowed into this closed session either the people in the closed session are people with special security clearance that will then information back . cimino that will then information back .cimino bacon's that will then information back . cimino bacon's lawyers . and . cimino bacon's lawyers. and another thing that's deeply unclear is how much access lawyers actually have to her. they brought this case on her behalf. she's still a camp in syria. they are saying they have no direct access to her. but surely in a case where they're alleging that she's been trafficked, you would expect to hear a witness statement from her. so it's all very very murky. it's going to run all week and i'm afraid is probably going to be things that we will never hear about this case. yeah, absolutely. catherine thank you very much. tell us

stuff that politico reporter catherine foster, who's at that shamima begum hearing, i can't help but feel as though her case is undermined by the is slightly undermined by the fact first saw she fact that when we first saw she was there in the full kind of garb, wasn't she? and after garb, wasn't she? and then after that, clearly got in our that, someone clearly got in our air they put a baseball cap air as they put a baseball cap in shamima and you in bit olympian shamima and you look a bit more westernised accompanying feel that been accompanying feel that it's been quite pr operation there quite a slick pr operation there there's something more important about and it about all of this for and it flew under the radar yesterday and the bag and and not as if she the bag and wins her case to come back to the afterjoining isis allegedly doing things like selling suicide that vast suicide bombers into that vast after at seeing after not baulking at seeing severed heads after allegedly being part of that quote unquote morality police and all of this stuff. okay if she can come back to the uk she does it sets a precedent for others to do the same. and here to pick that apart is barrister rebecca butler and senior fellow at leeds beckett universe law school, researching terrorism and security. dr. david, so both of you, thank you very much. i

know stellar line of grief we've been bef. by mick lynch. i'm sorry. stay where you all people. yeah i know. me too. but anyway, we've got to go. listen to lynch now at the rnc about our action. so we are announcing four weeks of industrial action from today. we will be putting on a series of 48 hour strikes in december and january after industry negotiate as representing network rail and train operators failed offer any new deals to reach a settlement . so over 40,000 members across network rail and the 14 train operating companies will take a series of 48 hour strikes on the 13th and 14th and 60 from 17th of december. and then again on the january, the third and fourth and the sixth and seventh. they will also be an overtime ban across . the overtime ban across. the railways of all of our members from the 18th for december until the 2nd of january, meaning that we'll be taking continuous industrial for more than four

weeks despite every effort made by our negotiator. it is clear now that the government is directly interfering in our attempts to reach settlement. the unions suspended previous strike action in good faith to allow for intensive negotiations to resolve the dispute yet network has failed to make an improved on jobs, pay and conditions for. improved on jobs, pay and conditions for . our members conditions for. our members dunng conditions for. our members during the last weeks of talks . during the last weeks of talks. at the same time the rail delivery group representing the train operating companies has also broken a promise to make a meaningful offer on and conditions and even cancelled negotiations , as it were, due to negotiations, as it were, due to take place yesterday with 1 hours notice. we also have evidence from all 14 of the train operating companies denying that the rail delivery has the authority to convert on their even the dg yesterday

urged us to come back to the table and develop a deal. urged us to come back to the table and develop a deal . we now table and develop a deal. we now doubt the eve of the rail delivery group or the train operators themselves actually have the authority to negotiate a settlement this dispute and we have the evidence with us the that they've written and that their lawyers have written to their lawyers have written to the authority six sits directly with the secretary of state mark and he seems intent on blocking any deal being developed between the parties i will be taking up with him at a meeting that he arranged. he has a range of me for this thursday morning, arranged. he has a range of me for this thursday morning , this for this thursday morning, this latest round of strikes will show how important our members are to the running of the country . i will send a clear country. i will send a clear message that . we want a good message that. we want a good deal on. job security, pay and conditions for people we have been reasonable, but it is impossible to find a negotiated settlement when the dead hand of the government is presiding over and blocking resolution in these

talks , the employers are in talks, the employers are in disarray and, saying different things to different people sometimes at the same time the whole process has become a farce that only the new secretary state can now resolve and i will be calling him to act up to his responsibility this thursday . in responsibility this thursday. in the meantime, our message to the pubucis the meantime, our message to the public is we are sorry to intervene is you, but we urge you to direct your anger and frustration at the government and the railway employers during this latest phase of action . we this latest phase of action. we call upon all trade unionists britain to take a stand and fight for better pay and conditions in their respective industries . and we will seek to industries. and we will seek to coordinate action, including strike , where we can working strike, where we can working people across our class need a pay people across our class need a pay rise and we are determined to win that for our members in the rmt and we will support all other workers in their campaigns and actions. thank you very

much, eleanor from spain, you said . the message to the public said. the message to the public good for the states in the products . christmas will be he products. christmas will be he to take some . so what do you say to take some. so what do you say the businesses register ? well we the businesses register? well we apologise for that we don't want this disruption. our members will lose a serious amount of money taking action and we will do what we to support them. but it's do what we to support them. but wsfime do what we to support them. but it's time for this government to get they have created this dispute by cutting get they have created this dispute by cuttin g £2 billion dispute by cutting £2 billion worth of funding from the main line railway national rail have also 2 billion from london transport we've got disputes there so they have made those cuts and the effect of that is that thousands our members are under of the less of a loss of their jobs. we have under of the less of a loss of theirjobs. we have serious doubts that the will be able to be maintained . these cuts be maintained. these cuts they're bringing in stringent cuts to the safety regime on the

railway in order to make the redundancies and they're going to rip up terms and conditions and let's not forget, we haven't had a pay rise of our members for three years now, and we're coming to the turn of the year again with no deal in place. so we're serious what we're doing, we're serious what we're doing, we apologise for that disruption. really the disruption. but really the secretary of state, rather than sitting his hands, has got to get down to the serious business of creating a settlement in this industry. yes today i was told directly by the most senior person working for the train operating companies that he has been stopped from offering us a deal , even a been stopped from offering us a deal, even a deal that we may not that we could develop. he has been prevented from doing that by the department for transport and it seems that they are stuck on the idea that they will continue this dispute into the new year , whatever reason the new year, whatever reason they've got. so public's anger should at the government and we they have some sympathy for our members and all the other workers in this industry and across industry and across the

economy the struggling to make ends meet and earn a living in this society . what an oversight this society. what an oversight . okay, so you are listening to general secretary of the rmt union lynch taking questions now is an out strike action. we're going to go back to him now, i believe, because he's just continuing to take those questions. blockades and we expect that to be very serious expect that to be a very serious through overtime ban plus through the overtime ban plus there shortages train there will be shortages of train and critical grades and other safety critical grades dunng and other safety critical grades during that period. so we expect there to be disruption rise in from the overtime ban. otherwise we be doing it. passengers on this journey by christmas, we it to impact the entire railway service. yeah i'm gonna start on the overtime ban starts on the 18th and runs through to the 2nd of january this do you worry about leaving of . christmas it about leaving of. christmas it has to be what we are concerned about the public and their ability to make their own living work learned about how the pubuc work learned about how the public feel about disputes but

the public have also made it clear in opinion poll after opinion poll that they support us and they support other workers in this economy who are being screwed down in order to pay being screwed down in order to pay for a crisis was not of their making and. what you will see if there's not a square deal on pay another is a transfer of wealth from the working people , wealth from the working people, this country to the super rich and the people that will be paying and the people that will be paying dividends throughout this economic crisis . so that is how economic crisis. so that is how wealth is redistributed and the problem in this society has been redistributed the wrong way . the redistributed the wrong way. the ordinary people, the men and women this that get women in this country that get up work day are forced up for work day are being forced to transfer their money to the utility companies and the energy companies and the super rich in order to pay for this crisis . order to pay for this crisis. and that's not acceptable. everyone britain needs a pay deal and we're determined get one our members. you one for our members. you mentioned strike mentioned coordinating strike action possibly. can you give us any indication of compensation we happy with other we should be happy with other sectors well, we sectors of the unions? well, we will having discussions. the

will be having discussions. the too with other too you see and with other separate we will seek to separate and we will seek to coordinate we've coordinate whenever we can we've put our marker and it's now put down our marker and it's now up others there are up to others and there are a whole series of ballot results coming through in november , coming through in november, december into january . december and even into january. and we will be seeking to coordinate , with any of coordinate, with any set of workers that to stand up workers that wishes to stand up and their futures . we and fight for their futures. we are to any discussions with are open to any discussions with any unions or with the till you see itself as to how applying for some sort progress on this next and thursday road to the great great 17. the outline of a deal more what if they can see the outline of deal. you'd wonder why they cancelled a meeting with an hour's notice yesterday. i know what the deal is? executive know what? the is? my executive know what? the outline deal they want outline of a deal that they want to propose . but they won't make to propose. but they won't make the can take an offer the offer. you can take an offer in writing is no offer in writing. and there been for six months no offer on pay, no offer on jobs , fury, and no written on jobs, fury, and no written offer on what they want in terms offer on what they want in terms of what they call modernisation. so hopeful or if senior so i'm not hopeful or if senior people in the industry are not

allowed to put pen to and sign it and say there's the proposed deal. it and say there's the proposed deal . i'm not hopeful that this deal. i'm not hopeful that this government will any deal in this industry because they seem intent on having disputes with workers all across every sector of our economy is the network rail offer different form that was off the back of the summit. you didn't, which never went for there's no difference in substance there are some wording changes but is substantially it's a four plus four offer over two years there's nothing for last year so it lasts over three years in effect so it's the same dealin years in effect so it's the same deal in a different bundle and it's still not acceptable and it won't be acceptable even if they redress half a dozen times, they haven't changed substantially. no not at all across the industry . i no not at all across the industry. i think you can. no not at all across the industry. i think you can . well industry. i think you can. well well, then it would be cheaper to sell rather than hold out . so to sell rather than hold out. so what's going on? the daily mail particularly want to tell you attention to this is the

everyday that we have a strike the government writes a check for the train operating company of for the train operating company 0 f £30 for the train operating company of £30 million that's eight days already so work that out and it's going to be eight days more every do that they will every we do that they will transfer taxpayers money from the government coffers to the private who are all making profit during all this period and made profit throughout the without any losses suffered whatsoever. so you would wonder who has the ideological point . who has the ideological point. this dispute. we believe it's the government that are transferring of our money to private sector train operating companies for no reason when they could respond to resettlement settlement very quickly and a reasonable deal. so not going to lose cash . well, so not going to lose cash. well, they're threatening us with thousands jobs, which they won't name. so the documents i've sent us this thousands of jobs on one of our claims is to get a job security agreement. now ready to

write that agreement . i've seen write that agreement. i've seen a version of it written down . a version of it written down. for some reason, the department of transport stopped that meeting with 55 minutes notice yesterday afternoon . i don't yesterday afternoon. i don't know why that's happening perhaps somebody in in fleet street can find out because what will happen after that? is that the right press will regurgitate every line that the train operating companies and the rtg and the government out without question . so maybe some of these question. so maybe some of these questions should be put to them why are they sponsoring in a trade dispute costing millions and millions of taxpayers pounds ? i'm not dragging anything out. i'm determined to get a settlement and we could get a settlement and we could get a settlement very quickly even this week. so we keep campaigning. we keep striking until get a set of proposals. members can support in a referendum what would you accept what deal right now would they could they come with that you would say well i will negotiate with the people that employ our and then we'll talk about that.

and it will be up to our members to what want accept . to decide what want to accept. if you decide these three if you decide on these three places . what would a business places. what would a business isn't just to disrupt people's christmas. we're pursuing an industrial dispute and we will take most effective action that we can to pursue that dispute , we can to pursue that dispute, beanng we can to pursue that dispute, bearing in mind what public opinion is like . and that's opinion is like. and that's a difficult thing to countenance. and what we need to do to get these companies back to the table. so they've got two or three weeks now before. any action is taken to put serious proposals on the table . it's up proposals on the table. it's up to them whether they want to do that, of this action . that, avoid all of this action. i calculate that for every strike , the railway industry has strike, the railway industry has lost strike, the railway industry has los t £5,000. that's a lot of lost £5,000. that's a lot of money to be taken out of. the industry, well, it's not being out of the industry. the company is dumping taxpayers money back into the accounts . the train into the accounts. the train operating companies , they have

operating companies, they have indemnified them for every strike. we've taken and the train operating companies themselves have suffered no whatsoever . so the money is not whatsoever. so the money is not leaving in india. whatsoever. so the money is not leaving in india . any sense that leaving in india. any sense that you might describe, simon a cheque is being written by mark harper by grant shapps whoever came in between, if you can remember. those people they've written directly to steve montgomery and andy meadows, who iface montgomery and andy meadows, who i face at the table and billion and first group and go ahead group pocket that money and lose no money whatsoever when we're on strike so the questions have got to be asked the other way. we're not taking the money of the industry. we give up our wages. they don't give up their dividends their profits. dividends or their profits. they're indemnified for every loss is incurred through loss that is incurred through the fare box because of how close the strike has been . grimm . we close the strike has been. grimm. we yourself. that's the sort of quality journalism i've come to

expect from your particular dark corner of fleet street . so you corner of fleet street. so you can tell us what you want and you no doubt you will call it what you want. and you called mr. mosley of the finest things that ever happened. as i remember , you were back in the remember, you were back in the black shirt. so you come, then you can black us. i'm not the grinch. i'm a trade union official and i'm determined to get a deal. lewis, we just a get a deal. mr. lewis, we just a statement from the royal delivery group and saying , statement from the royal delivery group and saying, as i said yesterday, will progress been made? and we hope to the passengers to see round table asking your mp to stay at the negotiating table. well it's hysterical isn't it. i had a meeting with them and i've got an email, my phone here from steve montgomery saying i'm cancelling this meeting on saturday morning. he rang me personally and said , come to a personally and said, come to a meeting on monday. i will make you an offer and. you can bring that to your executive committee tuesday and they're all here waiting that offer. phoned me waiting that offer. he phoned me 1:05 yesterday for a 2:00

meeting and said to me , i've had meeting and said to me, i've had to cancel this meeting. i am not allowed to make you an offer either on the conditions , the either on the conditions, the job security or the pay . the job security or the pay. the only people that could have stopped him making that offer are the department for transport. so they're calling back to a table . so they asked back to a table. so they asked me not to go to , but i will be me not to go to, but i will be at the table this afternoon if want, but they have to make an offer. there's no point in me sitting around there sharing cups tea and biscuits with cups of tea and biscuits with them if nothing ever comes out of those meetings we've been in with six months since with them for six months since the action and we were the action started and we were in them for a year before . in with them for a year before. the ballot started back in in the spring time, so they've got be serious about making proposals and at the moment we believe they're not allowed to make those proposals for a political reason . okay. but we political reason. okay. but we don't . thank you very much. okay don't. thank you very much. okay that was mick lynch , the general that was mick lynch, the general secretary of the rmt just announcing rather a lot of stuff

. let me try to pick it before we go to who is at the scene for us, our reporter that as i understood it anyway , we will understood it anyway, we will get more detail on this there is going to be a walkout on the 13th, the 14th, the 16th, on the 17th of december and then again on the third, the fourth, the sixth and the 7th of january. also an overtime ban again, as i understood it there, as i heard live with everybody is watching and listening along with those now december to the now from the 18 december to the 2nd of january, make lynch's claiming that this will actually cost taxpayer claiming that this will actually cost the taxpayer £30 million a day. bargaining . so day. clearly bargaining. so they're within his rights day. clearly bargaining. so th

minsure why and what d he's meeting was cancelled with 55 minsure why and what he's's not sure why and what he's saying is that he's seen a rough offer, a vague offer. interesting that he didn't seem to actually throwing the to actually be throwing the offer it just hasn't offer out. it just hasn't officially been made to them. and doesn't want to cancel and he doesn't want to cancel strike action unless. that offer is formal. so there we go. how do you feel about all of this , do you feel about all of this, though? listen, gentlemen, i suppose it's interesting one. suppose it's an interesting one. what wants is, what make lynch wants to do is, and quoting now, almost word and i'm quoting now, almost word for word. anyway, he was making notes he talking, says, notes as he was talking, says, look, the look, sorry for the inconvenience. don't want to inconvenience. we don't want to be doing. but he urged the british to direct their british public to direct their anger government anger at the government interestingly. now, though and this is where i think the step went a bit further was mr. lynch made i argue, a pretty thinly veiled reference to a general strike and i'm pretty sure all of you will have heard this as well, saying this wants to coordinate a could coordinate so could coordinate a strike amongst all say that the distribution of wealth in country at the moment is benefiting those up and of

course not the ordinary working class potential . there are few class potential. there are few details anyway . a general strike details anyway. a general strike ellie costello who was watching that announcement live close and personal with mick lynch just few moments ago, is that for us now? thank you very much. outside rmt offices. yes you outside the rmt offices. yes you with phil in place with there live phil in place now . well hi patrick. well you now. well hi patrick. well you can see behind me. there's still several cameras , journalists several cameras, journalists here waiting to hear from mick lynch, who just stepped outside of the rmt offices and updated us on a fresh of strikes . so us on a fresh of strikes. so more disruption for this christmas has now been confirmed by marc lynch, the general secretary of the rmt. now he has confirmed 48 hours strikes in december and january. this is all six months on from where action first started at the beginning of summer. now those 48 strikes will take place on 48 hours. strikes take place on the

13th and 14th of december. and then again on the 16th and 17th of december, right . the run up of december, right. the run up to christmas and again , january to christmas and again, january the third and fourth. the sixth and seventh. now alongside that there will also be an overtime ban running for a full four weeks and over time is obviously very much needed by the rail companies over the festive period, the rmt is not allowing their members to do any overtime , said mick lynch that despite every effort on their part, it was clear that the government was clear that the government was interfering . our attempts to was interfering. our attempts to reach a he claims that secretary of state for transport mark harper seems intent on blocking any progress . harper seems intent on blocking any progress. he was also asked about public support and he was asked about whether he was worried that that might be beginning to lessen some would argue it's right there in the first place, he said that that

is something that he's concerned about but very interesting comments patrick saying that calls on the public to not only support them and their anger to the government but also said that they should be striking better pay and better condition in their respective industries or perhaps a call for general strike regardless of how you might have perceived that he did say that they need to direct their anger elsewhere . he their anger elsewhere. he confirmed that the deal was the same as it was in the summer. the offer on the table the same. and he said no matter how you dress it up is exactly the same and it will not be accepted . he and it will not be accepted. he was also asked if he he supports the nickname mc grange, which is what one of the tabloid papers just referred to him as. he said, you can him what he likes. he says he's not the grinch. he is a trade union. there we go. we have a new train. strikes just confirmed the general

secretary of the rmt, mick on the 13th, 14th, 16th and 17th of december the third and fourth, sixth and 7th of january. huge amounts of disruption and across the festive period for businesses for commuters and, for family members who are hoping to get across the country by rail to, see their family this christmas. so thank very much very well summed up that reacting to that announcement you just said that on the steps of the rmt that mick lynch everybody's favourite trade coming out announcing more strike action and i'll just give you some more detail then in case you are just tuning the 13th, the 14th, the 16th, the of december, plus the third, fourth, sixth and 7th of january, entire walkouts a january, entire walkouts now a ban on overtime for staff or overtime ban, 18th of december, right the way through to the 2nd of january, of course, incorporating massively, massively busy periods there. but it's not just a few different elements of this. and we're going to pick those now

because this is the big breaking news us right here on gb news. but some of the big elements of this are why did the government cancel the meeting with mick lynch and? what, 55 minutes lynch and? co what, 55 minutes notice? apparently, according to lynch yesterday. why did lynch anyway yesterday. why did that place supposedly is an that take place supposedly is an offer on the table. what i thought was about this was that mick himself didn't mick lynch himself didn't actually come out and say if that offer acceptable, that offer wasn't acceptable, the know the one that we know is unacceptable but it wasn't unacceptable. but it wasn't officially put in right. so it implies between the implies reading between the lines. and i may well be wrong about, it's just my about, this it's just my interpretation of what lynch said the as were, is said that the vibe as were, is that if the offer was maybe put in writing , then it might be all in writing, then it might be all right, or certainly a lot closer than we are to strike action anyway , on another couple of anyway, on another couple of points on which answers patsy's big make really that i we are standing on the steps of rmt office urging pretty much workers of the world unite come together take strike action in all of your industries again putting the squeeze on the

government . how do you feel government. how do you feel about all of this lynch would like all loathe him he's good at his job okay? yes there's no getting around. that is a good orator. he's quick on his feet . orator. he's quick on his feet. he's pretty , pretty slick when he's pretty, pretty slick when it comes, that kind of stuff. and clearly knows this industry, knows his trade inside and it would appear anyway is at the moment making life very difficult for our government. how about this? he said how you feel about this? he said that haven't pay rise that they haven't had a pay rise in three years. we're about to enter the turn of the year and still our pay rises sides and he obviously something done obviously want something done about that however i i'm really struggling see how we can be struggling to see how we can be accurate when he's saying that vast of the british vast majority of the british pubuc vast majority of the british public side. i don't public are on his side. i don't think that someone trying to get home for christmas or someone who is desperate go to work your average of common working average kind of common working man woman street who man and woman on the street who needs to go to work to be paid on particular day get on that particular day or get their weekly salaries. how will you people who are you with the people who are trying essentially disrupt trying to essentially disrupt you cause maximum you and cause maximum disruption. you and cause maximum disruptiis. you and cause maximum disruptiis transport journalist

though is transport journalist and author christine woolmer. christine thank you very much. love to get stuck in to that from. mick lynch firstly , is the from. mick lynch firstly, is the pubuc from. mick lynch firstly, is the public on side with him? is he pretty accurate when he says that ? well, i pretty accurate when he says that? well, i think i think the pubucis that? well, i think i think the public is surprisingly on side. i mean, they're all suffering the cost of living crisis . i the cost of living crisis. i have to say. there is very effective and gets his message across . he did manage to get on across. he did manage to get on have i got news you it's quite a popular figure and of course people are disruptive disrupted. i don't like it but you know it so that so many people are still in favour of what the union is doing despite the disruption . doing despite the disruption. yeah. so let's just try to get a bit down to brass tacks. what mick lynch want and what are government not giving him? well, what is surprise to you i mean, you you are struggling over this and i can understand why is

there an offer or is that not offer? and actually , i've talked offer? and actually, i've talked to people in the rail industry who basically said, now you know, there isn't an actual offer . we're know, there isn't an actual offer. we're just know, there isn't an actual offer . we're just in know, there isn't an actual offer. we're just in talks know, there isn't an actual offer . we're just in talks . you offer. we're just in talks. you think they know it all that has been on offer because government has stopped them. now we have a new rail minister hugh merriman , who's not a transport secretary, but is the number two. he's very in transport because he was chair of the transport select committee , the transport select committee, the commons until his appointment minister. so and he is put at the top of his agenda which has been leaked to me. he has put sort the dispute the railways is absolutely number one priority so if that is the case then i don't see how come there hasn't been an offer on the table but as you said, it might be that there's been an offer and it's not been writing, i don't think that was what he something of right. yeah i think it's

important for us to try get some clarity on what mick lynch really wants because that is vital. is it a ridiculous offer that no one in their right mind could possibly ever agree to? in which case we just have to suck up the strikes. they don't deserve it. they shouldn't get it. or it reasonable? we're it. or is it reasonable? we're not giving to them, which not giving to them, in which case to them or case maybe give it to them or something it. and we something close to it. and we all go home for christmas. well yeah, my understanding talking, my trade union contacts , talking my trade union contacts, talking to people in the industry, he's not him, but ten, 12, 15. anything like that. but they don't want specify precisely what they're offering because what they're offering because what prepared to accept because they had an offer so we can take it as gave actually you know we it as gave actually you know we it is time that it was sorted out and it will get sorted out. remember the last law strikes was called off at the last minute because they they're talking. yeah, i do think that this will probably happen again

but . i wouldn't stake my shirt but. i wouldn't stake my shirt on it right now. i think we're at risk of getting lost. maybe the macro picture not from the micro of who does the rmt rapport . and in your opinion as rapport. and in your opinion as a transport journalist, author, expert would say is the industry underpaid . thank you for the underpaid. thank you for the somewhat mike so some might say well he represents basically most of the industry who are not apart from the drivers . they apart from the drivers. they have a few drivers . most of the have a few drivers. most of the drivers are in aslaug , so they drivers are in aslaug, so they represent the guards on the train, the station platform people and most importantly, the signals and the signals. who can disrupt the railway, the most because without signals you can't run the railway . not many can't run the railway. not many managers who can do it. they can maybe do it for a few hours so they can't run a service for the

whole day. that's why we've had these very truncated services, even on days when the management have come in and operated, the signals . so they wield quite signals. so they do wield quite a lot of power, but they don't wield as much power as that which can really stop the whole network away. now, i suspect might have hit on something here , christiane, which is that from my understanding anyway , the my understanding anyway, the guards and platform operators do not want to say that their job is obsolete. but one can envisage a future without guards or platform operators. however is vitally important . and so is vitally important. and so realistically now , does the realistically now, does the government really need to try to target signals and hope that they break ranks from the other two elements of the armed ? is two elements of the armed? is that an impossibility ? i'm that an impossibility? i'm afraid you're wrong. there many, many trains can't operate without guard because there's all source of safety considerations like they go to platforms are short for. so you

carry out the on three of the carriages and not the rest of them. that sort of and also you are two new platforms staff or otherwise that that grinds to a halt because you need a whole staff to make sure everybody is on the train that people are safely aboard, that there's nobody kind of, you know , their nobody kind of, you know, their coat stuck in the doors or something that comes that you can't operate without without operate you can't operate trains, without people on the platform. it'sjust trains, without people on the platform. it's just very inefficient to do so. so the signals are the most vital , but signals are the most vital, but other staff are important as well and of course you need the revenue and staff to connect the tickets. you need people to sell the tickets all of those people are vital for the running of the network. i must say i must make him the chap with an rmt on it did me for having a day out of day railcard the other going. my

sympathy, my sympathy for him is limited. but but but. sympathy, my sympathy for him is limited. but but but . there we limited. but but but. there we go. he did tell me however he have because of the date his job guv is on. i know. i hate it anyway. i don't have to like it. christie thank you very much. christie thank you very much. christie and great stuff . that christie and great stuff. that sent fascinating topic sent me really fascinating topic to if you are just to you that if you are just joining us, rail strikes, strikes, strikes. strikes, rail strikes. apparently 30, the 14th, the apparently the 30, the 14th, the 16th and the 17th of december, and the before the and then the third before the sixth the 7th of january. sixth and the 7th of january. what fasten nicely, though, what is fasten nicely, though, is somewhere the middle of is somewhere in the middle of that. over and over that. no, over time and over time, from the 18th of time, back from the 18th of december to the 2nd of january. so basically disruption over christmas unless they can reach a deal with government on that deal. a deal with government on that deal . lynch is deliberately not deal. lynch is deliberately not saying the rmt are deliberately not saying exactly what they want obvious reasons they want for obvious reasons they wouldn't necessarily want it being picked press, but being picked in the press, but also converse the government is not saying what they're going to offer we're this offer them and we're in this ridiculous where ridiculous situation now where they due have a sit down they were due to have a sit down meeting that meeting yesterday that was cancelled 55 minutes notice cancelled, the 55 minutes notice for whatever reason, behind the

scenes be . and there is scenes that may be. and there is some of an offer which mick lynch to allude to the idea that it might not necessarily be the worst offer in the world but it's not formal and it's not in writing and therefore can't go for slightly sinister stuff this depending on which way you look at and which way lean at it and which way you lean politically. the politically. of course, the possibility general possibility for a general strike. saying we are strike. mick lynch saying we are sorry us customers is , people sorry to us customers is, people who the transport system . who use the transport system. however, please be angry however, please don't be angry us. be angry at the government for not sorting. and stopped for not sorting. and he stopped short saying exactly that. but pretty much workers the world unite, up , go pretty much workers the world unite, up, go on pretty much workers the world unite, up , go on strike unite, rise up, go on strike over industry. let's get a square deal for the workers. how do you view all of this? vaiews@gbnews.uk and it is to that same box that we're going now actually. lots of your thoughts on mick announcement flooding in. gary says i think i heard mick lynch apologise for the disruption i've one don't accept his apology i suppose you got phil says will starmer be training up hundreds of you training up hundreds of you train drivers so the striking

ones don't have to work hard dunng ones don't have to work hard during overtime. i absolutely your point phil just a small of correction according to former transport guru we just had on there, christine woolmer, which is that train drivers are supposedly much more represented by another union. one would assume that they are quite well aligned. the rmt there is more to do with platform operators, guards and the signals going on strike the rmt. but yes , strike under the rmt. but yes, this is an issue i think for a lot of people, which is that should we be training people. but then you say, well, we train them to work for does not seem fair. not quite sure. either fair. i'm not quite sure. either way facing massive way you might be facing massive disruption christmas think disruption over christmas think it actually that it will actually come that that i help feel though i can't help but feel though they're just trying to get into a brinkmanship and the a bit of brinkmanship and the government allowing government indeed allowing that to is another side to happen. there is another side to happen. there is another side to this and i'm very at some point on the show when we are trying get conservative mp on trying to get conservative mp on to talk about this, which is actually how much is the government to blame because aren't we seeing a government itself to be out manoeuvred by a

trade unionist mike lynch like him, although absolutely across his brief very quick on his feet and a good orator you might not agree with what he's saying but you to appreciate the way that he articulates himself is pretty clear concise and that's clear pretty concise and that's that i don't see is the that right i don't see is the government allowing a situation now where he can stand on the steps of the rmt offices announce all this strike action so the government is not for is what they want and the government offer something and it looks like a massive win for mick doesn't how's the mick lynch doesn't it. how's the government actually playing politics with the unions potentially lose potentially it's about to lose i don't know. how do you feel gb news or gb news dot you lose your views, come in and we'll go to those throughout show. but of course the rail delivery group have been reacting this and they produce grief a lengthy and strongly worded statement. here we go . i've got to read this we go. i've got to read this now. we made progress over the last fortnight of talks on for the first time in months, we see the first time in months, we see the outline credible deal the outline of a credible deal further strong, especially in the up to christmas will

the run up to christmas will disrupt the first normal festive season have been season all passengers have been able forward since able to look forward to since covid pandemic, even covid pandemic, taking even money the pockets of money out of the pockets of railway . industrial action money out of the pockets of railvalready . industrial action money out of the pockets of railv already costiustrial action money out of the pockets of railv already cost industry|ction has already cost industry millions in lost revenue , millions in lost revenue, installing its post—pandemic recovery and threatening its long term sustainability is long, isn't it? we are asking rmt to stay at the negotiating table, work with us towards a fair deal and a dispute that is harming passengers, the industry and, the members. yes, right . so and, the members. yes, right. so we are in the grips of what is known as a dispute because we've got one side saying, hey, come , got one side saying, hey, come, we're very to a deal. we're very close to a deal. we've a deal on the table, we've got a deal on the table, got under the sign saying, well, you know, offer it to me. i'm sick of having tea biscuits sick of having tea and biscuits with you. walking out with you. we're walking out important though important zoomed out though i say do out then it say if they do walk out then it is the workers who get paid. apparently, according to matt lynch, potentially lynch, they are potentially harming run up harming themselves in the run up to well. brinkmann to christmas as well. brinkmann brinkmanship, but brinkmanship, brinkmanship. but labour keir starmer labour leader sir keir starmer has told business leaders that the of cheap labour. it is the days of cheap labour. it is ironic they must. and so we

ironic as they must. and so we in the uk his immigration dependency are caught out but wonder not there's a wonder whether or not there's a few that a squeeze now few people that a squeeze now good aren't going win it. is good aren't going to win it. is there any immigrant labour there any cheap immigrant labour could but he could drive the trains but he called for a plan to train british workers and move the economy low paying economy away from low paying model. that model. but admitted that it would challenging get would be challenging to get everyone the workforce everyone back into the workforce due the hundreds of thousands due to the hundreds of thousands of were just a few of people who were just a few years ago . can the government years ago. can the government ever meet demands of the ever meet the demands of the british workers to entice back into the workforce ? i think it's into the workforce? i think it's quite relevant now, isn't it, really, given linda has really, given what linda has just look, lots talk just said. look, lots to talk about this specific about here on this specific issue. starmer, sir keir issue. keir starmer, sir keir starmer now trying to position himself as we want a more points based immigration system . you based immigration system. you really read between the lines of what you're saying that potentially now capitalising on i think a sentiment of the british public you may be a british public said you may be a working or the red working man or woman. the red wall however you want to wall seats however you want to break it, say which is that they're sick and tired they're a bit sick and tired of quote quotes foreign quote some quotes cheap foreign labour coming our jobs as labour coming taking our jobs as they might suggest it however,

is that actually is it true is that actually happening you believe. keir happening, do you believe. keir starmer it wasn't ago it starmer it wasn't so long ago it was free movement of and was all free movement of and open with keir open borders with all. keir starmer what's actually starmer and say what's actually going on with illegal going to go on with illegal immigration illegal immigration that's well who you that's a biggie as well who you trust it comes sorting trust more when it comes sorting this matter sunak. oh starmer i suspect the third option of nieva maybe the most popular. i am joined now by political commentator and independent statistician jenkins. hey there we go. thank you very much. right. okay. so keir starmer, is there any substance to what he said about britain winning itself off from immigration dependency when it to labour. yeah good afternoon pedro. i think the difficulty we've got in the uk and remember now we saw a huge explosion of people into the country over the last ten or 20 years, especially when the accession countries joined the accession countries joined the and we didn't kind of have that temporary bloc like some of the countries did in terms of the eu countries did in terms of them coming in. and that has had a downward pressure wages. we

saw people in. and what saw a lot of people in. and what you tended to find the last eight, 20 is that you've eight, 20 years is that you've got who coming in got immigrants who are coming in who qualified in the who are better qualified in the jobs they're doing, but jobs that they're doing, but they're lower paid jobs they're happy to lower paid jobs because better because they sell better off. when compare to the wages when you compare to the wages back up. but i think what we've got to do is look forward now in the in a position now the uk is in a position now where the ten, 20 where over the next ten, 20 years we're going to have about three and million more three and a half million more people of pensionable we've people of pensionable age. we've seen the birth rate seen a fall in the birth rate the 20 years as well. so the last 20 years as well. so you need at least 2.1 you kind of need at least 2.1 children for every family to replace are going to replace those who are going to die some point. and the total die at some point. and the total fertility rate is not at that point, it's about 1.35. so we haven't enough booths. so we, point, it's about 1.35. so we hav

today pay the pensions today who pay the pensions today, so we have this today, so we have got this ticking time actually that because a of births because we had a lack of births over or 20 years over the last ten or 20 years and that's projected to continue without we without immigration. but we won't actually enough won't actually have enough people to pay the taxes to pay for cost all the elderly for cost of all the elderly people. will have the people. we will have the solution. may well be solution. therefore may well be in order reduce our need for cheap foreign labour ish of a bit viagra in the water well over reproducing a bit more. maybe that will work out a little bit better. although not without this controversy, as one would imagine, you would imagine, but do you actually believe starmer he actually believe keir starmer he talks this? because this talks about this? because this is issue, it? and is the big issue, isn't it? and not long ago was talking not so long ago he was talking about. pretty much about. well, pretty much borders. i mean, he was mystery . now of a sudden it's . and now all of a sudden it's about british trading up, british stuff all, british workers stuff all, dependency on foreign labour is , . well, it's good , lying. well, it's good soundees , lying. well, it's good soundbites it but you're talking aboutin soundbites it but you're talking about in the newspapers. we'll be talking about it he can say is what my plan is if we win the election he's obviously trying to win back those voters who voted for brexit, saying take

control of our borders. people who perhaps went over to kind of nigel farage party in the past trying to bring those wins back by saying, i'm going to be tough on immigration. but remember, i'm david cameron was saying exactly same. all exactly the same. all politicians across the stage have saying they're have been saying they're going to for about to be tough on for about a decade or 20, 20 years now. patrick and they haven't been. so think we believe he so i think we believe what he said. don't believe what he's said. i don't believe what he's he's saying he's just saying these soundees he's just saying these soundbites that kind of soundbites to that kind of headline. so when comes the headline. so when it comes the election, can say, this election, he can say, this is what will. then when he what i will. and then when he gets power, if he's there, gets into power, if he's there, you it's a bit more you say, oh, it's a bit more typical. i thought. yeah, exactly. plan exactly. pretty much no plan whatsoever. c with illegal immigration. he's saying that we need british need to train up british workers. way, back in workers. by the way, i'm back in favour don't get me. favour of that. don't get me. wrong. says that we need wrong. and he says that we need to reduce our dependency on immigration actually immigration labour but actually realistically can all realistically i think we can all agree quite little agree there's quite little substance that. and the big substance to that. and the big problem is, problem for british society is, well, over the other well, you look over the other benches, tories seem hot benches, the tories seem to hot on but thank very on it either. but thank very much. well done way much. oh, well done by way jeremy. decent last night jeremy. decent result last night that against the united states

of america. well jeremy of america. well done jeremy jenkins their commentator and independent to independent artist, reacting to the keir starmer the fact that sir keir starmer allegedly wants allegedly at least wants to reduce dependence on reduce britain's dependence on cheap foreign labour. what you make of all of that but of one form of immigration to another. now the home office has confirmed manston confirmed the manston migrant processing centre is now, quote, completely empty . well, not only completely empty. well, not only because why have they gone, but with all occupants having with all the occupants having been into hotels that , been moved up into hotels that, we so the centre has the we are. so the centre has the headunes we are. so the centre has the headlines over the past few months to living conditions which report left immigration minister jenrick speechless . but minister jenrick speechless. but it is understood the facility remains open and will no doubt full again in the future. yes absolutely. joining me now is former chief immigration officer uk border forces saunders. kevin massive overarching question here . it's all very well. this here. it's all very well. this is one thing, by the way, i hate politics in this country. so now got to say, whoa , yes, get in. got to say, whoa, yes, get in. we've cleared this detention centre . but actually how can centre. but actually how can they have cleared it bearing in

mind it was full of 4000 people or so literally them off into hotels across the country. there's no way they can have processed any of these people too. well we know who they are. well from or anything. and we have , for want of a better have, for want of a better phrase, just released them into 11 way. yeah, that's what we've done. there's no idea who they are because they won't tell us their real names. like what ? their real names. like what? their real dates of birth and they've got no documentation . so they've got no documentation. so you'll bang on patrick of they've gone their hotels which they've gone their hotels which they no doubt complaining about and that we are what it does do is give the staff at that i think a bit of a break. is give the staff at that i think a bit of a break . well the think a bit of a break. well the weather's so bad this this really not a good news story, is it? the only data that. okay, great. we've managed to clear the of the detention centre but the of the detention centre but the fact is that these people were at least a detention centre and in a hotel near and now they're in a hotel near you frankly actually you or frankly not actually because can and go as. because they can come and go as. they please. yeah. yeah. well,

yes, yes. you're right. if they were , they'll be staying in were, they'll be staying in a hotel for a few days and then they'll disappear into the unregulated economy and. yeah, that's the situation . that's the situation. unfortunately, we don't have the detention facility yet detain everybody . we would like to try everybody. we would like to try and win it . when it comes to and win it. when it comes to keeping tabs on some of these people, is that thing you've not been done. so if i am an asylum and i, i'm in a holiday inn somewhere and i leave that houday somewhere and i leave that holiday and just disappear into the aether and maybe one of my many thousands of friends in the uk living here illegally , they uk living here illegally, they come over looking for me. is anyone looking for me ? i doubt anyone looking for me? i doubt very much of anybody looking for them because they're all downing in dover and they can try to control the people coming across the channel. it's enforcement are doing all this. i'm sorry , are doing all this. i'm sorry, the enforcement are down in the channel they're not looking for

people. so that's a bit about the look a bit of a no not working one that well well look thank you very much kevin always to great have you on. i'm sure it won't be the last time we talk about this. that was kevin saunders, the chief saunders, the former chief immigration uk border immigration officer at uk border force, the i force, reacting to the news. i think this is frankly a scandal brewing. fact, there a brewing. and in fact, there is a scandal brewing. it's being billed as a good news this billed as a good news story this way. we've clear way. fantastic. we've to clear the manston migrant detentions centre. okay. but centre. well, yes. okay. but there's absolutely way could there's absolutely way we could have everyone that have got tabs on everyone that they're potentially in hotels now. up and down the country, free to come and go largely as they please. people and they please. so 4000 people and they please. so 4000 people and the rest are essentially just been released into the wild. good stuff. anyway, ofgem has revealed recent that revealed in a recent review that 70 energy are failing 70 energy firms are failing customers. there were multiple failings which resulted in struggling customers not being offered the support that they need. while some firms may debt repayments so high people could not afford top up their prepayment metres. good energy outfox and so . have apparently

outfox and so. have apparently been very weak . it comes to all been very weak. it comes to all of this. let's tell you what we're going to go to andy mayer who the energy analyst at the i. i am hoping you can pick through the balance of this a bit better than i just butchered from my auto. okay, what's going on or ofgem's findings saying yeah, vulnerable people being kicked in the knuckles by their energy . the pretty pretty good job that i mean they stories that emerge from the reporting on this include like an elderly and vulnerable man sitting on his own home alone in the dark. the two weeks because he didn't know was going on he didn't know that his supplier had cut him off . it his supplier had cut him off. it just thought he was experiencing the blackouts. he'd seen reports as a potential risk in media from all the other things that are going on. then other people who have been taken all the way through court proceedings with bailiffs coming and trying to

confiscate their property. when all that has happened is that the energy supplier had them a bill and a debt repaid schedule that was far too extreme for them to be able to cope with on their restricted circumstances . their restricted circumstances. and we could all see the problem with that. but underlying it was couple of things. the energy situation as we see it today is really a result of institutions failing. one is the government who've underinvested in energy supply for over two decades. so we are in a situation where these bills are extremely high because of things we haven't done. and the second is the regulation cells have got a bit muddled and a bit lost in all their competing duties and are focussed the wrong their competing duties and are focuss

to just on that just on that. who do you think the villains are . well you can't rely on are. well you can't rely on energy companies act as competent social services . these competent social services. these are organisations with hundreds of , thousands, in some cases of, thousands, in some cases millions of customers, and they don't know them . they don't have don't know them. they don't have an individual relationship with each customer. we're paying our energy bills. that job fundamentally done . social fundamentally is done. social services, it's done by citizens advice. it's by the charities. and people have . a really close and people have. a really close connection with the kind of people who are really exposed to vulnerability on these topics. so the people should so those the people who should be red flag and be raising the red flag and helping energy to helping the energy companies to do we just on do jobs properly, if we just on the energy companies through mandates and regulatory action to and deliver better to try and deliver better services, going to services, it's always going to fail because that's not what they they sell energy, they do. they sell us energy, that's job. so it's partly that's theirjob. so it's partly a naivete on the government, partly failure, but it's partly policy failure, but it's a little bit of extra action , a little bit of extra action, the companies themselves, to ensure that they the duties they have to do under the better. i'm just finally the and quite just very finally the and quite briefly before throw for briefly before i throw for people get the latest people to get the latest headunes people to get the latest headlines , could of this

headlines, could any of this have avoided if we hadn't have been avoided if we hadn't have been avoided if we hadn't have had as of a focus on have had as much of a focus on things like replanting seagrass in the oceans to combat climate change, stuff like this, could we have done more to look after customers ? so that is a job for customers? so that is a job for the welfare services first and foremost. so the government had focussed on that job and really ensuring that local are doing their jobs properly in ensuring that local are doing theirjobs properly in also provide these services then . provide these services then. you'd see less of this, but ultimately there's been failure across the board energy across the board in energy policy and whether the incumbent government or whatever replaces it in two years time will do a better job remains to be saved betterjob remains to be saved and optimistic now. all right, sanjay, thank you very much . sanjay, thank you very much. andy murray, who is an energy at the if you there's nothing the iea. if you there's nothing that chap does know that our chap does not know about we go. right about energy. there we go. right 0 k lows continue with here on o k lows continue with here on gb newsroom patrick christys. coming up, i want to hear from you. i always want to hear from you. i always want to hear from you. we judge rishi not for having a private same day. gp no, absolutely no. i suspect if you were wealthy enough, you

will getting one well. will be getting one as well. i certainly echo reports certainly would echo reports today prime minister today the prime minister registered with a private gp that day that guarantees same day appointments to appointments after he vowed to protect the being free. protect the nhs as being free. all at the points of use. i'll before i say it again, wouldn't you private? you could. you just go private? you could. but see all of your but first i see all of your latest headlines. abigail. i love it . it's 432. i'm alex love it. it's 432. i'm alex porter in the gb newsroom the rmt union has new industrial action over the festive period they rmt says its members will not work overtime over christmas and will stage a series of 48 hour strikes in december and dates include 13th to 14th and 16th to 17th of december and the third to fourth and six to 7th of january. and so for a long dispute over pay, jobs and, conditions, rmt secretary mick lynch says union has been reasonable and that the

government is blocking any . the government is blocking any. the whole process has become a farce that only the new secretary of state can now resolve and i will be calling on him to up to his responsibilities this thursday in the meantime, our message to the public is we are sorry to inconvenience you, but we urge you to your anger and frustration at the government and railway employers during this latest phase of action . this latest phase of action. nottinghamshire police say the mother of two young children who were in a flat fire has died . were in a flat fire has died. the case is now being treated as a triple murder. haidara had been on life since the blaze in clifton on sunday morning. the children , aged one and three, children, aged one and three, were treated the scene for smoke inhalation but later died in hospital . detectives have been hospital. detectives have been given another 36 hours to question a 31 year old man on suspicion of the family. question a 31 year old man on suspicion of the family . the uk suspicion of the family. the uk must wean itself off dependency.

that's the message from the labour leader. tip bosses. sir keir starmer , the confederation keir starmer, the confederation of business . the days of low pay of business. the days of low pay and cheap labour must and that it's and cheap labour must and that wsfime and cheap labour must and that it's time to invest training those already in the uk. he also promised to be pragmatic about the shortage of workers saying if he gets into government he's willing accept increased skilled immigration and the has been hosting his first state visit as monarch. king charles has welcomed south african president cyril ramaphosa during a ceremony at horse guards parade. they then proceeded along the mile by carriage to palace where a banquet will be held in the president's honour, president ramaphosa will address parliament and meet prime minister . parliament and meet prime minister. tv, online and dab plus radio. this is gb news. don't go anywhere. patrick will back in just a moment.

welcome back, everybody. patrick christys here on gb news. now it's bleak story. that's okay. so strap yourselves in, but a very necessary one to talk about anywhere because far as i'm concerned, this appears to be happening all too often. and it has on for too long a has been on for far too long a national audit has revealed that almost fifth nhs trust has almost a fifth of nhs trust has been rated red when it comes to infant mortality rates, which is of course a bad thing . a total of course a bad thing. a total of course a bad thing. a total of 23 trusts received the red rating from mothers and babies , rating from mothers and babies, reducing risk through audit and inquiries or embrace as it's now. this means that death rate for 2020 was more than 5% above the average for other countries embrace looked into stillbirths and deaths within four weeks of birth . in other research, it birth. in other research, it also found that the number of women who died up to six weeks

after having a baby was by a quarter. over years. we got stuck into these of this book and the reason i certainly wanted cover it is because this has been happening all too often . i keep hearing it left, right and centre. don't you, when it comes to nhs trust, whether it's maternity failings. well joining me corder is me now is larissa corder who is a health and doctor a women's health and doctor living there. thank very living there. thank you very much. first, will and much. what for? first, will and must read developed nation a great country. it to be quite a high risk nation if it comes to giving birth . yeah. appears to giving birth. yeah. appears to be one of the safest places. certainly in europe to give birth at the moment where women are three times likely to die in childbirth and postnatal compared to some scandinavian countries. why is this why is it so this simple answer to this it's a multifaceted problem that we've kind of been hearing about as you say all too often, that you of scandals that have been exposed over the course of this past year. and there are probably more to come, sadly as well . so the some of the probably more to come, sadly as

well. so the some of the main which are going on here at this being this chronic under in maternal all over the nation and that underfunding and underinvestment is now coming light because covid and the pandemic was really a bit of a final straw in this. it puts so much pressure on the services and the staff that now we're seeing the results of all that so at the same time that we're facing 10,000 more births across the past year between 2020 and 21. we're also chronic midwife shortages , the likes of which shortages, the likes of which we've never seen before our lifetimes. so at the moment the nhs is missing, about 2000 midwives and 600 have walked out in the past year. now these are people who have on the front line of this crisis who've had no rest, no letup . all of this, no rest, no letup. all of this, they are underfunded, underappreciated it. they are pushed to the absolute limit. there are many who absolutely cannot cope the current pressures at all. and being left with very little choice than to

leave. nothing is being done . leave. nothing is being done. yeah. now i've floated this a few times when it comes to especially with staffing in the nhs, i think is one of nhs, midwifery i think is one of those ones where i or economists might be about to their tv screens at me now and don't get me wrong, everyone who wants to show will know that i regularly do maybe of do criticise. maybe some of the way the is spent in way that the money is spent in the nhs that's the conversation. but but if you're but at the time but if you're training to be a midwife i think we need to try to fast track that as much as we can within the parameters and the safety parameters of and maybe student debt maybe do these why student debt for people. this is by for these people. this is by definition an incredibly element of . you know, giving of our nhs. you know, giving birth again by definition as birth is again by definition as old as the dawn of time we old as the dawn of time and we need to sure that is an need to make sure that is an area of all medical services that we pretty secure. that we are pretty secure. i cannot have it where we are in britain as such developed country where it is such a country where it is at such a high risk, to entice high risk, we to entice midwives. to deal with why midwives. we to deal with why are their are they paying for their education them in. yeah education just get them in. yeah well i couldn't more. and well i couldn't agree more. and also thing you've just also the other thing you've just pointed know pointed out is that, you know that survival of these that the survival of these departments after mothers

departments look after mothers and intrinsic and babies. it's intrinsic to our as nation. yeah. our survival as a nation. yeah. you this is so, so important and not allowing i mean , putting not allowing i mean, putting midwives so pressure midwives under so much pressure where, can't even perform where, they can't even perform their because they're being pulled towards in to cover pulled towards in order to cover the staff is horrific so the chronic staff is horrific so is it so this is obviously a grim to talk about. but i think it's important the context of this because people will be wondering now why are so babies dying? is it because they are getting poor care when they are born ? they've got a problem it born? they've got a problem it when they're actually going labour while the actual physical causes of this. so again it's a complex answer to this so one of the reasons is that as we've mentioned, there's underfunding and people are being pushed to cover several different cases of labour at the time, which they just can't cope. okay but also the other thing that's going on here that really being spoken aboutis here that really being spoken about is a bit of a toxic culture that seems to be prevalent in some of these departments. and this is where

whistleblowers say who whistleblowers say people who wish speak about things that wish to speak about things that they blamed a little bit they see are blamed a little bit like we see with the mothers of these children have died these children who have died a huge lamentable for that culture because hate to say but i have because i hate to say but i have had experience it's not to go into too many specifics , but i into too many specifics, but i have had experience of what i would argue is a of a cover up culture in the nhs as assets. so they risk some of that which does go on that the problem that there are endemic of bullying that are happening behind closed doors , no one is being held to doors, no one is being held to account for this. so it's very, very difficult for anyone to come along and to change that because people are potentially by raising some of these concerns, they're not allowed to speak up. they're not allowed to essentially insist certain changes being made. and there are also really poor examples of some leadership as well, where, again, people aren't being held to account. i'm glad said this because i all too often the

discussion is when it comes to, you know, just chronic government level responsibility , but actually is more than that. that's issues. there's all sorts of it. there's cultural issues within the nhs as. well and i thank you very much for coming in, albeit under rather depressing circumstances, but a story that not want to story that we do not want to ignore nor the last. thank you very the rest of very much. ask the rest of quoted who is a women's quoted that who is a women's health and fertility doctor? right. there we go. so in statement england said statement nhs england has said embrace demonstrates the embrace data demonstrates the significant progress that has been made to reduce stillbirths neonatal deaths since 2010. but we know action is needed to ensure continued safe care for all women babies and their families. it continues. nhs england continues to support trust and integrated care boards to make improvements to maternity. are neonatal care they provide. i feel like i've spent most of this show reading out a from very different organisations but there we go very a shift in tone alison very much a shift in tone alison gentlemen we are gentlemen because we are actually to be talking actually going to be talking about. begum yes, isis branch from pale from ebay.com have a pale against british citizenship

against her british citizenship is being revoked , is underway. is being revoked, is underway. so that is there's no results on that we're spending a few more days of this a rumble i've thought would really reach an early but alas we early verdict but no alas we have not shamima begum is basically appealing the decision take her citizenship away from the from m15 . they said the heard from an m15. they said that bacon was an eight star. people that it was inconceivable both that she didn't know what she was doing when she left. how hamlets go android. but ms. hamlets to go android. but ms. beckham's lawyers asserted that the 15 year old was influenced by determined effective by a determined and effective isis machine outside isis propaganda machine outside these proceedings is our these court proceedings is our political reporter catherine foster at the asylum in immigration tribunal in central london. good grief it's got dark quick out here. last time i spoke you is relatively light outside you're the pitch outside now you're in the pitch black you. right okay. outside now you're in the pitch blackyou you. right okay. outside now you're in the pitch blackyou stillu. right okay. outside now you're in the pitch blackyou still beeniht okay. outside now you're in the pitch blackyou still been shut.ay. outside now you're in the pitch blackyou still been shut out is have you still been shut out is it's to say that, for want of a better phrase, trial is or heanng better phrase, trial is or hearing veiled in secrecy, hearing is veiled in secrecy, isn't it ? yes, it is, because isn't it? yes, it is, because obviously because of issues of national hear evidence from , national hear evidence from, m15, the home office, that to be

kept secret. so most of the proceedings today were in what was called closed court with the press kept out, happy to report that in the last hour we were admitted lots of people were waiting expectantly for a very long time down in the basement and cimino bacon's lawyer samantha knight casey has been in more detail about trafficking saying women and girls are particularly women and. children are particularly vulnerable , of are particularly vulnerable, of course. shamima begum was only 15 when she left to go to syria back in 2015. i'm saying quoting european law on this and the obugafion european law on this and the obligation of states to try to prevent and invest partygate trafficking, stressing state isn't just the country but could be the school the local authority and basically saying

that when the then home sajid javid removed gina bacon's citizenship a couple of weeks after was found in 2019 in a camp in northern after the caliphate collapsed that before that was taken the home office should have taken steps to consider whether she was there as a victim of traffic that those questions perhaps had not been asked and should have been m15 giving evidence were keen to stress that. they were concerned with the threats to national security and not experts on trafficking. also she was saying that even if she is found , be that even if she is found, be a victim of trafficking that doesn't mean, of course, that she would be free from prosecute action. so if and i think it's a big if she ultimately is able to make her way back to the shores certainly . her troubles are by certainly. her troubles are by no means over quickly on one, i

just want to pick up on a conversation that you and i had a bit earlier on, i thought was the fascinating point that you made where, the serious question marks as to how much contact her own legal have with her own legal team have with her which find perplexing because which i find perplexing because one assume that if that one would assume that if that bringing case they have bringing case they would have contact with her and does contact with her and it does almost raise this head as to exactly what was going on and can just us through it can you just run us through it again, please ? it's really very again, please? it's really very odd indeed. they're pretty much saying that they have next to no contact with and yet they are bringing a case on her behalf. so how can that be surely if they're saying that she is a victim of trafficking , we would victim of trafficking, we would expect to be able to hear from her or maybe in closed court or maybe at the very least witness statement. so some people are saying, well, the home office are basically saying, well, if don't have the contact with ,

don't have the contact with, then why are you bringing this case? and how can expect this case? and how can expect this case to succeed ? so it's very, case to succeed? so it's very, very murky and what, if any, contact they have with her is not clear, but it seems like they're sort of trying to have they're sort of trying to have the best of both worlds. yes, indeed. catherine, thank very much as ever, catherine force. there are political keeping you up what is a very up to date with what is a very secretive indeed perplexing secretive and indeed perplexing case begum case to shamima begum the angus's bride, to whether or angus's bride, as to whether or not should come back. the not she should come back. the uk, to say now uk, i'm very pleased to say now that phillips joins that chris phillips joins me, the the the managing director, the international and international protect and security office and crucially as well, the former head of uk national counterterrorism security office. chris, that's a mouthful. that must be an incredibly long business. you've got but i bet linkedin got that. but i bet linkedin pagesis got that. but i bet linkedin pages is vast. there we are. you join me now. a lot of people are saying this is a poor young one, honourable girl who was groomed and should come home and should. well, it's not welcomed with arms, certainly. at least have her back amongst british society . your views on that ? well, my

. your views on that? well, my views is that she knew exactly what she was doing when she left these shores . she did almost these shores. she did almost certainly some very, very bad things . she certainly some very, very bad things. she was part of the caliphate and it was only when the caliphate actually was taken out and destructed that she decided that she might want to come back to the uk to live and. even then she didn't show a lot of remorse . i think the big of remorse. i think the big thing here is she has become a cause celebre and i think it's important that the and the un and this country say to anyone wants to go out on one of these, get me a jihad , liz. that is get me a jihad, liz. that is just not is not going to work. and if you do want come back, then we're going to do everything we can to stop it. so, yes, she is a i a dangerous, dangerous person. but the danger the thing this the other thing about this as well patrick, fallacy . well patrick, is this fallacy. she's going face justice if she's going to face justice if she to uk. she's she comes back to the uk. she's not she she almost certainly if she gets any kind of sentence that would be very low and

she'll living next door to someone in this country and at someone in this country and at some stage be sending our children to with someone in this country. and i think we need to bear that in mind that. she will not she will not be convicted over offences she in in over here for offences she in in syria . and there's a lot of syria. and there's a lot of people drawing, in my opinion, a false parallel saying, oh you know some, some victims of various grooming gangs, they young and because they are working class white girls people like get very very emotional about that whole thing. but the fact that shamima begum is not white people are saying oh that's clouding people's on. so i want to ask you, would you be saying the same thing. if you mean the bacon white. well, of course. mean, this we kind of course. i mean, this we kind of it's almost got lost in the fog of time. just how bad the things that happening in iraq and syria were . i mean, these people were were. i mean, these people were just going there and drugs these people were throwing people the top of buildings. you know, there's a view that and i certainly some evidence that this woman was sewing people

into suicide vests to go and kill innocent. so this is the same thing at all this is someone that's gone to do something heinous knowing very well that that was happening . i well that that was happening. i mean, was a very bright mean, she was a very bright student . and that time, she student. and at that time, she was very student that was was a very student that was everywhere across the press. there were people beheaded there were people being beheaded there videos , people being there were videos, people being thrown off the top of buildings . and deliberately went to . and she deliberately went to that. and as a result of being there , you know, many people there, you know, many people almost certainly have suffered in way. and yet to come back to we don't want to back i think is a really key point that people need to remember because. we're you know, several years on from this now is 2022. we've got a world of things that are taking place in the last few years. i mean, the last few months alone. and people forget exactly. big a deal and people forget exactly. big a deal. isis was. exactly that was moments in time we should bake them way abroad and it them made our way abroad and it was front news pretty much every day the videos horrific videos

circulating reports it was impulse able to escape. i says at that time in terms of its news coverage and the idea, i think that anyone not have been fully aware of how sickening and disgusting isis were as an organisation. if you want to call them an organisation, a jihadi death cult i suppose maybe another of putting maybe is another way of putting it is for the birds as far as i'm concerned, but thank you very, much. great have very, very much. great to have you show that is, of you on. the show that is, of course, chris phillips, the md of the international protect and prepare office. right of the international protect and prepare views office. right of the international protect and prepare views onffice. right of the international protect and prepare views on that, right of the international protect and prepare views on that, though? are your views on that, though? it's always emotive it's always a very emotive gbviews@gbnews.uk you get them coming in, moving. rishi sunak's commitment to the national health has been defended health service has been defended by colleague, despite by a cabinet colleague, despite reports the prime minister was registered a gp practising registered with a gp practising safe. so i practise offering , i safe. so i practise offering, i should say same day appointment prime minister came under fire a bit for this private care arrangement which often for 250 quid. but the northern ireland secretary as well assured apparently the public that rishi sunak passionate about the nhs. i think you can be five things

at once, can't we. can we trust our prime to deliver for our services that he does not use or certainly pays. in some cases, one would imagine, to avoid . one would imagine, to avoid. joining me now is former conservative candidate band of easyjet , tony benn. thank you easyjet, tony benn. thank you very much. great to have you on the often country. now if you are wealthy enough, you will probably just pay for private healthcare only. i i think this is a really story and one that obviously tugs at the heartstrings a lot of people for a lot of different reasons. but i think it's i think it's remarkable that we've got to a stage where somebody personal health care choices the health care choices and the choices they for their choices they make for their family under family are coming under scrutiny. are these are scrutiny. these are these are free available services. know lots people have private lots of people have private health aren't health care. those who aren't very wealthy private health very wealthy have private health care work. i care through through work. so i think this think it's incredible that this stage we're putting that out to. it's a question . i agree it's a question. i agree completely. actually completely. and actually remarkably, i feel quite a similar way about. remarkably, i feel quite a similar way about . why large similar way about. why a large non—dom status as well. it's his wife's issue. she's not running

the country . i wife's issue. she's not running the country. i think she's his own personal care, isn't it? i mean, why should this even be up for question? exactly. and he's previously said that he's used the nhs before and uses the the nhs before and he uses the nhs, he's also said he's nhs, but he's also said he's willing to discuss his family's health care arrangements. i don't anybody would want don't think anybody would want to out into public to put that out into the public is don't she? what is an argument. don't she? what he's britain he's doing is best for britain because taking burden off because taking the burden off the he's go private. the nhs, if he's to go private. well i think, i think it's a very valid point because so many people can afford to private people who can afford to private health use private health care, if they use private health care, if they use private health that reduce health care, if they use private hea burden that reduce health care, if they use private hea burden on at reduce health care, if they use private hea burden on an reduce health care, if they use private hea burden on an already uce the burden on an already stressed national health service. so i wouldn't i wouldn't go as far as to say that it's something people that it's something that people should everyone's free should be doing. everyone's free to choices. to make their own choices. but but same time, i think he but at the same time, i think he would be equally criticised if he was using the nhs and potentially skipping key. potentially skipping the key. is there here that we there a wider point here that we hold now increasingly politicians to an impossible standard want ? two standard of how we want? two things that i think are completely self—defeating at the same time got. oh, i want i want someone like boris. i want a character. well, what say, character. well, what you say,

though, human being? though, is you a human being? well, beings make mistakes though, is you a human being? wellthings beings make mistakes though, is you a human being? wellthings thatings make mistakes though, is you a human being? wellthings that are make mistakes though, is you a human being? wellthings that are not ke mistakes , do things that are not necessarily the right thing to do, but then they get absent, legally then legally rinsed for it, and then you go, well, i wouldn't want someone particularly don't someone particularly we don't want saying, want want someone saying, you want someone a to raise someone who we want a to raise it it's an impossible to it away. it's an impossible to clear isn't it. people are, people love to knock somebody off their pedestal. and the higher up on you are, the more likely you are to suffer those . likely you are to suffer those. some of those indignities can . some of those indignities can. can i ask you as someone who obviously with political obviously with a political pedigree, you're clearly pedigree, i mean, you're clearly an intelligent chap , an incredibly intelligent chap, you do many different, one you could do many different, one would imagine. but did you? why into politics these days? what's worth it? certainly no argument worth it? certainly no argument worth money. i understand worth the money. i understand that people to make that people. do want to make a difference society? yes difference to society? yes there's that. absolutely. but for immense scrutiny for for the immense scrutiny for people dredging up tweets, the i've made when you were 15 years old or all this nonsense, your wife's texted , it is being wife's texted, it is being delved into, not your personal. what's point going into what's the point going into politics do you need it in your life? think i think the that

life? i think i think the that that desire to be able to make a difference is very strong. and i think that trumps all of the other things that come it that are effectively are to the that come with the job. and i think if you've got broad enough shoulders be able to sort of take some of those takes so much criticism and take some of that flak then you feel that that is outweighed by your personal ability to a difference . ability to make a difference. granted, not everyone manages to have that want, but have impact that they want, but everybody wants that of everybody wants put that sort of the maximum amount effort the maximum amount of effort that can trying to that they can into trying to achieve talk it out very achieve goals, talk it out very last. they've been watching matt hancock jungle. i haven't hancock in the jungle. i haven't no, neither that. got no, no, neither of that. we got good stuff. you very much. good stuff. thank you very much. if it'll away. if you ignore, it'll go away. whole bad . great to have whole case is bad. great to have you on this that advantages you on this show that advantages gate whose name sadly gate whose name i've sadly just got apologies about the got rather apologies about the guy very tongue tied today that we thank you very much we are thank you very much you all find your guys on gb all we may find your guys on gb news. up, more reaction news. coming up, more reaction to news that workers to the news that rail workers will walk once again in december and putting and january putting your christmas the christmas travel plans up in the air. rv back in moment. are

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evening . earlier, the evening. earlier, the electricity network operator said it may struggle to match demand, but within half an hour, the alert was withdrawn. it looks like maybe a cleaner on the wrong thing that a spokesperson for the grid told gb that was longer gb news that that was longer happening stuff happening which is great stuff but is of course 5:00. i'm on gb news. i we've got loads coming your way . rmt news. i we've got loads coming your way. rmt union has announced a fresh round of strikes in the run up christmas and in the new year more than 40,000 members across the network and 14 train operating companies will walk out on dates through december and january don't say we don't deliver people because right now all reports of ellie costello is live with the men behind the strikes. we've met len to get a go to that very very shortly we'll. also bring the latest from the home office. he's revealed that that manston migrant processing centre is now empty . arguably news empty. arguably not great news because what it mean all of because what it mean that all of these are have we had these people are have we had time actually vet them, time to actually fully vet them, etc. etc, but yes. that etc. etc, etc, but yes. that main story coming your way. etc. etc, etc, but yes. that main story coming your way . just main story coming your way. just a matter of moments, alec. well, i'm mick lynch live . very quick

i'm mick lynch live. very quick recap. okay. railway workers are going to stage a 48 hour strikes a series of 48 hour strikes in december and january. more than 40,000 members of the rail, maritime and transport union will part . it is also maritime and transport union will part. it is also going will take part. it is also going to be a ban on between december the 18th, in january, the second. i'm just going to throw anas sarwar national reporter ellie costello who as you've been some the been speaking some of the process, as understand it, is process, as i understand it, is potentially early. potentially with meg early. thank much. it thank you very much. take it away . yes, good evening to away away. yes, good evening to patrick. fresh strike action has been confirmed this evening outside the rmt offices and i'm joined by the rmt general secretary, mick lynch. he was with me. now, mick , tell us with me. now, mick, tell us about the context of this. you've had very intensive in the past two weeks. you have now announced another of strikes. why it come to this? well, we've beenin why it come to this? well, we've been in intensive talks with network rail and they're still

on no new offer. and we were in intensive talks with what's called rail delivery group called the rail delivery group on of train operators on behalf of the train operators yesterday. pulled plug on yesterday. they pulled plug on those talks with hours notice. those talks with 1 hours notice. phoned and said, we cannot phoned me and said, we cannot meet with you. we not meet with you. we are not allowed to make you any offers this so we've got after this dispute. so we've got after six no offers from the six months no offers from the train operating companies an old offer from network rail that's been so have to keep been rejected so we have to keep this alive members of it this dispute alive members of it very heavily in favour of a new mandate to take strike action . mandate to take strike action. and we're putting that on now. we're going to avoid strike action over the christmas festive period . so there's two festive period. so there's two blocks of 48 hour strikes in early mid—december and then in early mid—december and then in early january. when we come back in the new year. so we've got to show that we're serious. we fully intend on getting a settlement. and we'll be back at the table whenever invited. i'll be meeting with the secretary of state this and put to him that he needs create an atmosphere he needs to create an atmosphere , create a sense of goodwill where we can get a settlement. but at the believe the

but at the i believe the government holding talks government is holding talks based political agenda based on their political agenda because they want to see this dispute into the new dispute going on into the new yeah dispute going on into the new year. eight days of strikes since . mick lynch and now since. mick lynch and now another such as strikes that use today we are in a cost of living crisis. you are affecting people that cannot get to work who are perhaps on an hourly wage who are losing multiple days of income this year. do you think still have public support ? i still have public support? i think we have a lot of public support everywhere. i go people are saying keep going. the pubuc are saying keep going. the public want us to win and a result from this dispute, we could have had an offer on the table afternoon. i told my table this afternoon. i told my national executive an offer national executive that an offer would it on monday would be formula it on monday afternoon and, somebody at the department of transport stopped from was from happening. that was a deliberate of industrial vandalism and political vandalism, i believe, for that reason. i don't know. what evidence do you have of them, because one of the most senior people , this industry, steve people, this industry, steve montgomery, on montgomery, phoned me up on saturday morning said, get saturday morning and said, get round on monday round the table on monday

afternoon, offer to afternoon, we will put offer to you in writing you on monday in writing covering conditions and covering jobs, conditions and p331- covering jobs, conditions and pay. he phoned me up at 1:00 yesterday and said i, can't do that. they won't let me make offer. now, i don't know the reasons that i sense the reasons are that the government are in disarray. don't really know are that the government are in disa|to 1. don't really know are that the government are in disa|to handledon't really know are that the government are in disa|to handle this: really know are that the government are in disa|to handle this industrialow how to handle this industrial dispute. they've all these other problems in with public sector pay problems in with public sector pay and state of the economy. we've seen their performance in a series of mini budgets which have been disastrous for working people and for the economy. so i'm going to try and find out on thursday from the secretary of state exactly what he's up. everybody in the industry, how to settlement to this to create a settlement to this dispute. trade unions and employees if he's prepared to be a person of goodwill and create that atmosphere where we can develop a settlement that could happen very quickly and will have no need for any. we can put it to our members and see if they want to accept the package. at the moment i'm not hopeful because i don't if they're because i don't know if they're competent enough to create that

atmosphere. meeting atmosphere. okay. so a meeting on thursday with mark harper, who the secretary of state who is the secretary of state for transport as you just heard that from mick lynch general secretary of the rmt. he has not hopeful that that talk will to any resolution. patrick believe that have a question. sorry that you have a question. sorry for yes, sorry. no for mick lynch. yes, sorry. no just was going to say to a completely the mick saying there's just widespread public support as far as he would say for what he's doing. but i'm keen the public to try to keen for the public to try to understand what pay is mick lynch after what pay rise does he want for members of the rmt because . we could do it knowing because. we could do it knowing that if we're going to support or otherwise so . patrick is or otherwise so. patrick is asking mick lynch in terms of pubuc asking mick lynch in terms of public support , in order for the public support, in order for the pubuc public support, in order for the public to support you or to decide whether they support , you decide whether they support, you or not, they need to know what the offer is on. the table, what would you be willing to accept ? would you be willing to accept? well, i would negotiate with the companies. it's my job to get round table with senior round the table with senior people negotiate. haven't people and negotiate. we haven't got at all after

got any offer at all after months, the train operating companies have not made an offer and fact they're now taking and in fact they're now taking legal cases to say to me they cannot bargain in this dispute, the rail delivery group do not negotiate and the operating companies do not negotiate. so are in disarray. network rail have made us an offer of 4% for this year and 4% for next year. but nothing for last year. so 8% over three years when inflation is already over 14 one half percent. they also want series ofjob percent. they also want series of job cuts and conditions changes that we can't accept. so underpaid and underpowered as an offer, they know that. they know got to offer more. but i believe they've been stopped from making that offer by the government. so if you want pay rises in line with inflation, you're looking at a pay rise of at least 11.1% for every worker. mean, can you not see that that alone would be inflationary . well, we've never inflationary. well, we've never used those numbers. this in network rail should have been done on january the first this year and in fact january first last year there've been a number

of inflation during that period . we know got to be really . we know we've got to be really quick and there will be a compromise so we where compromise so we know where inflation is and that's just proves the offers proves how puny the offers they've given to us have been. they know that they know that this will be a real terms pay cut you'll have less money at the supermarket you're the supermarket and when you're your rents then you your mortgage and rents then you had in because had last year in effect because of inflation is of inflation that inflation is being created this government to a extent and they've done a large extent and they've done nothing to help working to resolve so we will get resolve that. so we will get a deal that's based on the three elements jobs pay and conditions. but we got an offer that we can even put to our members. this is what people got to realise and even the commentators such as patrick than yourselves. no than yourselves. there is no offer for the people in offer for half the people in this and so is not this and so there is not reasonable . after six months of reasonable. after six months of intense talks , we have no intense talks, we have no product from people who are meant to be serious politicians and professional business people are you calling on other sectors to strike . are you calling on other sectors to strike. i'm are you calling on other sectors to strike . i'm calling other to strike. i'm calling other sectors campaign . there are lots sectors campaign. there are lots of strike ballots coming through

from sector, from from the education sector, from the health and even in the health sector and even in the health sector and even in the private sector and other transport sectors, such as bus workers london this week , i workers in london this week, i think union movement think the trade union movement has make the most has a duty to make the most these mandates to synchronise and coordinate that action to put the employers and the governments under a lot of pressure to relieve cost of living crisis on working people . would you support a general strike ? i'll support strike? i'll support a generalised action . can't call generalised action. can't call a generalised action. can't call a general strike. that's up to the cac. but i think we can coordinate and synchronise the action across sectors , action across many sectors, pubuc action across many sectors, public private , to maximise public and private, to maximise working influence on the debate in this . mr. lynch thank very in this. mr. lynch thank very much for your time , patrick. you much for your time, patrick. you heard there from mick lynch outlining his reasons, the reasons they've confirmed this news set of strike, 48 hour periods, the and 14th of december the 16th and 17th of december. that's for in one week. that's the week christmas when many people will out

christmas shopping, seeing relatives that will now be disrupted . and the first week of disrupted. and the first week of january , the third and 4th of january, the third and 4th of january, the third and 4th of january and the sixth and 7th of january, those dates are friday and saturday, which we know post are the busiest periods on our rail network. so lots of disruptions for businesses, for commuters , families who are commuters, families who are looking to see their relatives over the festive period . ali, over the festive period. ali, thank you very much great stuff. sally costello just reporting with mick lynch outside the on the steps of the rmt. what do you make of that judgement? i must say one thing. i'm finding it quite difficult to get my head around really is this idea of a back and forth. okay. which is that is there an offer on the table, is that. no there seems to be an offer the table, but to be an offer on the table, but it's not in writing. and this is a particularly tense at a particularly tense issue at the but you think the moment. but how do you think about this stuff? do you about of this stuff? do you think that that she is justified, that there could be strike will be strike strike action will be strike action it stands anyway? the action as it stands anyway? the 30 the 60 of

30 to 40, the 60 to 70 of december. and then again the third 4 6 the 7th of third the 4 to 6 on the 7th of january with some cash in the middle no over time, which middle that no over time, which is period need is the period you really need over time between the 18th to december 2nd january. december and 2nd of january. donna relation to platform donna is in relation to platform operators, and signals operators, guards and signals that of people that that the group of people that the really look after a few the rmt really look after a few drivers well. but it's drivers as well. but it's predominantly not drivers. it's a misconception . the a bit of a misconception. the aslaug who tends to do aslaug union, who tends to do more train drivers. so it's more to train drivers. so it's the , the guards the the platform, the guards and the signals make lynches signals that make lynches driving around. they all say they deal that frankly, they want a deal that frankly, obviously better what obviously is better than what they've but i think, well, they've got. but i think, well, we to get our heads around we have to get our heads around the that we are staring the fact that we are staring down some form of down the barrel of some form of general strike. and indeed mick lynch offering his services when it comes organising that. but it comes to organising that. but then go gbviews@gbnews.uk . then we go gbviews@gbnews.uk. keep your coming in on keep your views coming in on that issue. you feel that issue. how do you feel about fact that essentially about the fact that essentially christmas be ruined? christmas might be ruined? labour leader sir starmer says his leadership the government will be pragmatic on skills and labour shortages rather ironically, given what we've just been about and would not

ignore the need for people to come into the country. well, chris was the cbi conference in birmingham morning and he called for businesses to focus investing more in training workers. they already here apparently 9 million brits are jobless 1 million job vacancies currently on offer is the general public too lazy to it? let me just break this down for we go to our guests keir starmer is basically saying he to reduce our need for the sheer volume of immigrant workers and to train more british people to fill jobs. couple of points on this does he actually really mean that this is a chap who is basically pro open borders so long ago. what's his plan for deaung long ago. what's his plan for dealing immigration dealing illegal immigration but fundamental when to fundamental when it comes to this are some brits too lazy to work . uncomfortable question, work. uncomfortable question, but we're going to ask it nonetheless. joining me right now is immigration dean morgan . now is immigration dean morgan. dean, thank you very much . there dean, thank you very much. there is a trope that some foreign workers will come over here and

do the same job for less and that's is frankly more appealing to employers. is that true ? not to employers. is that true? not anymore. no. i mean , you know, i anymore. no. i mean, you know, i mean, you mentioned keir starmer earlier and no doubt he's talking about this at the conference because they know that immigrant asian is a is a weakness especially as we're in a cost of living crisis and people are worried about, you know , how they're going to pay know, how they're going to pay their the last thing their bills, etc. the last thing they want to hear is that there's migration there's massive migration coming to back in 2005 to 8. to the uk back in 2005 to 8. when i started in immigration tony blair, gordon brown and they were unfettered access migration plus we had zero, you know, post i've noticed a massive change because we have an increasing number of employers contacted sign this or advertising for these but just nobody's for them anymore. well and this is the problem. so this is a problem because if employers now are not money by going foreign, as it were, getting workers in for cheaper, then really does imply that

there is a groundswell of people who don't want to get off their backsides and work because we all know that there's an element of that. i it's every benefit claimants are well and it wouldn't benefit claimants i think because they well i think population and so there's a percentage that needs to be tackled by the government are the that give obviously the ones that give obviously the benefits that need benefits are the ones that need to that. i mean, to manage that. i mean, historically they have been very good, whether be any good, whether it be any political party. there's that element. i think the other thing that people never really talk is the younger generation because the younger generation because the problem that we have is that companies get the skilled companies can't get the skilled people grow people they need to grow business to keep business we need to keep increasing to increasing for us just to maintain the standard of living as a people . yeah, i just on as a people. yeah, i just on that dana. i just wonder on 100 fascinating conversation we saw over the weekend actually about this idea now that the younger generation want it all own way. and i think there's a lot of that about there's a lot of the kind of soya macchiato brigade,

the avocados on toast brigade who are. yeah perfectly happy just on instagram, do just to live on instagram, do nothing their lives and nothing with their lives and they want to they want everything, want to spend money travelling spend all their money travelling the the same time as the world at the same time as being a four bedroom being able own a four bedroom detached of detached in the middle of london. of that but london. i get all of that but only think there is a massive groundswell hugely groundswell of a hugely entrepreneurial element a street to our young generation. but thatis to our young generation. but that is in places like whether it's doing social media influencers for example, i'll say only fans as well to a point, but also areas as well. your online , i.e. they're not your online, i.e. they're not going out and working in the hospitality sector . tony and hospitality sector. tony and that's the thing i mean if you look at the crypto craze, you know, a lot of the older generation don't understand what just happened in 2022. you know they're people out there they're young people out there that thousands, that were making thousands, tens of , you know, millions of thousands, you know, millions of thousands, you know, millions of pounds in being in the right place at the right time is that sometimes you wrote out, now you're them, you you're going to say to them, you need go and save to 12 need to go and save 10 to 12 hours day on £10 an hour to hours a day on £10 an hour to

london at one. why they've been brought up with kardashians brought up with the kardashians you have these you know, you can have these jetset lifestyle. jetset dubai lifestyle. now we all know that a few can but most khan but how do you get them to go to how was before the go back to how was before the internet before social media kind of got everyone into social media influencer look dave media influencer stuff look dave thank you very much team organise an immigration consultant i think shedding some fascinating the i do not fascinating light the i do not believe keir starmer when he he says wants maybe cut says that he wants to maybe cut down on the fact that we want cheap foreign but there we go that's view anyway, the that's just my view anyway, the home confirmed from home office has confirmed from one immigration the home office has confirmed from one this, immigration the home office has confirmed from one this, i immigration the home office has confirmed from one this, i think,gration the home office has confirmed from one this, i think, willon the home office has confirmed from one this, i think, will be the home office has confirmed from one this, i think, will be verye and this, i think, will be very interesting a lot of you, interesting for a lot of you, actually, for different actually, for various different reasons. and arguably none of them it's been painted them good. so it's been painted as positive story that as a positive news story that the office has now the home office has now cleared the home office has now cleared the processing centre . the manston processing centre. it's empty with all it's completely empty with all occupants having been moved into hotels, let's say. oh look , this hotels, let's say. oh look, this is great. there was a massive backlog. living backlog. they're all living squalid was squalid conditions. it was overcrowded originally overcrowded. it was originally built 1600 people. they had built for 1600 people. they had around and it's around 4000 in there. and it's billed as this brilliant thing that we've cleared it. but

unfortunately, it means that now these people have been sent over to various different hotels. i find it very difficult as was speaking a member of the speaking to a member of the border force, former head of border force, the former head of the force actually, who the border force actually, who was no they was saying there's no way they can all of these can fully charge all of these people and as lot of people are. and as a lot of people are. and as a lot of people are. and as a lot of people are increasingly reporting, these migrant hotels, they're come and go. they're free to come and go. they the that they please. so the fact that we've cleared migrant we've cleared a migrant processing around 4000 processing with around 4000 people potentially people in there is potentially not so much of a good thing. we have, our residents. immigration lawyer am saying lawyer haj. i am saying bangalore right now thank you very i'll drop about very much. i'll drop by about three did government house three did the government house to just say we've cleared this place now because they were about have a sea of lawsuits filed them for human rights abuses against us. you're not wrong there patrick. so yeah, thatis wrong there patrick. so yeah, that is one of the possible reasons. the other is it makes good optics in relation to all suella braverman coming down in chinook and look, we've got things but actually have things done they've just shifted them

from a b, there's no way that their claims have been decided or processed within that sort of time. and so it is literally that good optics and prevention of any further incidents happening , you know, prevention happening, you know, prevention of any possible deaths happening and, prevention of any lawsuits happening out of in another way. look this is actually worse for the british public , at least the british public, at least when these people were in a migrant centre, one would imagine it was quite difficult for them to. get out of that and for them to. get out of that and for want of a better phrase, if they'd released into they'd just been released into they'd just been released into the , technically into the now, not technically into the now, not technically into the to just under the wild, to just under reporting conditions on bail required on if want help required to sign on if want help from the government and that's a requirement you have to government report on reporting government report on a reporting centre that's usually one centre and that's usually one nearby every major city. so nearby in every major city. so they're not into the wild as such, still under reporting conditions claims are conditions while claims are being processed. however there is a possible risk them is always a possible risk them absconding and going underground , but then that prevents them from getting help. won't be from getting help. they won't be living hotels , won't be

living in hotels, won't be getting any government sorts support. if anyone wants support. so if anyone wants government have play government support, have to play ball government rules ball with the government rules andifs ball with the government rules and it's just a matter of their not being housed the centre not being housed in the centre anymore, was anyway and anymore, which was anyway and then more suitable then now move to a more suitable accommodation. yeah. now understand this might not be your direct area of expertise in the legal profession. so if you don't know i'll completely that. but if was a member of the pubuc but if was a member of the public living near one of these hotels and something terrible happened as a result, hotels and something terrible happened as a result , the home happened as a result, the home office plonking people in hotel near to where i am . can i sue near to where i am. can i sue the home office ? it's not my the home office? it's not my area of expertise . but the first area of expertise. but the first thing is i'm in criminal activity happen and the police would get involved and they would get involved and they would but i don't know if you could sue the home office for the actions of an individual . the actions of an individual. they're not prisoners . the home they're not prisoners. the home office. they are people are seeking refuge . the claims are seeking refuge. the claims are yet to be decided . so in that yet to be decided. so in that aspect , the home office can say, aspect, the home office can say, well, actually not under lock and key as . and so i that the

and key as. and so i that the chances of success of seeing the home office would be there you could definitely attempt to do so but you know it's very rare that incidents like this they usually under some sort of surveillance all the time . okay surveillance all the time. okay alright look how much i've thank very, very much harbhajan singh. but i gather immigration lawyer just to the news that just reacting to the news that was initially painted quite good news. but i think you drill news. but i think when you drill down might not which is down on it might not be which is the migrant processing the muslim migrant processing has now been cleared that means that they're all now out and aboutin that they're all now out and about in hotels as it were. so do you make of that gbviews@gbnews.uk ? i imagine the gbviews@gbnews.uk? i imagine the views are going to come in and fast all of that. you'll fast on all of that. you'll watch patrick christys right watch me patrick christys right here gb news. and coming up, here on gb news. and coming up, nearly of all trusts nearly a fifth of all nhs trusts have given a red rating for infant mortality rates as a national audit revealed. can national audit revealed. how can we turn around? that's nice. but before that i'm going to have a look at weather . hello, i'm look at your weather. hello, i'm aidan from , the met aidan mcgivern from, the met office. a welcome break this for

many from the rain but not many of us from the rain but not for all of us. still some showers out eventually showers out there. eventually the break across the the cloud will break across the uk, to a chilly nights uk, leading to a chilly nights in places we're in between weather systems at the moment . weather systems at the moment. the of monday's low the legacy of monday's low pressure that brought all that weather that's well still in some showers. the next lined up to bring us more wet and windy weather on wednesday in between clearing skies . weather on wednesday in between clearing skies. some weather on wednesday in between clearing skies . some heavy weather on wednesday in between clearing skies. some heavy rain continuing for orkney could cause some issues during the evening and wind strengthening for shetland gales with severe gales developing overnight otherwise with the clear spells elsewhere across the uk, a chilly night to come, a widespread frost across in northern eastern england . northern and eastern england. temperatures in places a couple of , freezing, otherwise of degrees, freezing, otherwise a mild start to the day for northern ireland. wales in the southwest, one. so southwest, but a wet one. so intense for a few hours. intense rain for a few hours. first thing could cause some issues, but does move issues, but it does move through. and wales through. it clears and wales dunng through. it clears and wales during morning as well . during the morning as well. northern skies northern ireland brighter skies follow with blustery showers then the rain pushes into northern as scotland with gusty

wind accompanying it and those gales continue along with showers for shetland . but sits showers for shetland. but sits sheriff name for many places essentially the best of any dry air in sunnier interludes eastern england. otherwise those showers rattling in from the southwest and continuing during the evening on wednesday as well as overnight. they'll move into northern scotland as well, falling as snow for the scottish mountains . there'll be some mountains. there'll be some clear spells in and the strongest of the winds will affect western and southern areas . it's affect western and southern areas. it's in these areas where temperatures will hold up overnight at 8 to 10 celsius. but where we get some towards the northeast , but where we get some towards the northeast, mid the east and northeast, mid to low figures are possible low single figures are possible bright in places first bright start in places first thing thursday but still some showers north across northern england. and scotland. england. wales and scotland. then the next batch of wet and windy weather moves through northern ireland by the end of the afternoon, pushing into wales, and, scotland wales, england and, scotland later. through , later. it does move through, followed showers .

yes, welcome back. everybody loves to talk about today. and just before we get to on our next topic, which is a very, very important one, although quite bleak actually, regarding the latest figures to come out about nhs letting about nhs trust letting down babies and indeed their mothers is a terrible report there. so just want to your views just want to get your views gbviews@gbnews.uk. so we're going some surely about going to get some surely about the this minister detention the fact this minister detention centre cleared . centre has now been cleared. there some around 4000 there were some around 4000 people in that and it's being portrayed as a good news story. but how do you about it? but how do you feel about it? because unfortunately some areas now that maybe now it doesn't mean that maybe they've there they've got hotels plonked there that have before. that they didn't have before. it's that it's pretty clear now that the government really this government only really did this in stop laws , suits in order to stop laws, suits about quote unquote inhumane in the detention centre. how do you feel about that ? i know it's feel about that? i know it's going to be a big issue for you or. go to again later in the

show. but yes, parts of this story now, 23 nhs trusts have been rated red for infant mortality to a national audit thatis mortality to a national audit that is nearly a fifth of trusts. the organisation and babies reducing risk through and confidential inquiries otherwise known as embrace found that the death rate for 2020 was more than 5% above the average for other countries it's really, really terrible stuff this really terrible stuff this really and yet again another example of mothers and indeed their newborn infants being let down. i'm joined now by journalist and a new mum ella whelan whose only experience in hospital was from perfect. happy to have on the show thank you very very much and as well to say on the new mum but some you're just talking to me about this it won't come as any shock to you than i imagine one fifth of eternity. waterholes mental trusts are apparently not good . trusts are apparently not good. not only are they not good , but not only are they not good, but they're really, really bad . and they're really, really bad. and places that have quite a high rate of both infant mortality

and also part of ambrose report looked at the death rates for women both during procedures dunng women both during procedures during birth whether that be sort of natural birth or caesareans and in the weeks following birth so it also actually looks at maternal suicides and one of the one of the you know the reason why it come as a shock is because this year that been report after report after report about the dire of maternity services in uk whether that be the shrewsbury and telford that was led by donna who is was a really highly regarded report looking in in—depth into was happening in that particular trust where women babies were dying unnecessarily . and the recent unnecessarily. and the recent east kent maternity scandal in which a very similar happened and a sort of i mean it's it begs the question how many reports there have to be before

we realise that this exists. but a lot of people be wondering now, is this just a question of money? is it resources? do just need to love even more money . so need to love even more money. so frankly, the amount of money frankly, for the amount of money we're to, it will we're already paying to, it will be more babies to stay be expect more babies to stay alive. it's their veritas that's kind of to answers. the first is that there is obviously a resources question and what does that what they need to throw money at not i suppose you can have an argument it but there is a one of the problems is a lack of staffing you know lots of maternity units already maternity units are already running on emergency levels staffing people are part of the reason i had a poor of care when igave reason i had a poor of care when i gave birth six weeks ago was was because basically the women who are looking at their look after me were completely stretched, knackered and, weren't able to give me the right level of care. so there's a kind of resources and staffing question, but there's a kind of a more a sort of more complicated and actually more important side this , which is

important side of this, which is that maternity services is and the kind of the business learning about maternity has had to has kind of shifted and has a new influence in it, which is a sort of move towards almost fetishising natural . so we know fetishising natural. so we know that there's a real hostility to , c—sections and that as a caesarean sections and that lots of the trusts, particularly in shrewsbury in salford, that a part of the reason there was so many problems there was because was a desire to keep up the birth rate. that means basically no to women who were requesting c—sections. some of those women who were requesting c—sections were doing so because example the baby's heartbeat was low. they could feel that something was wrong. you know mothers the mothers into tuition is a very important thing and women basically weren't being listened . so that's a kind of more complicated thing going on here, which is, yes, we need more resources, we need more staff, but we also need look at this

trend maternity towards trend in maternity towards fetishising natural processes which a lot of the time leaves women either in great deal of pain, as i was afterwards, but being offered ibuprofen when i'd been sliced open, which is utterly ridiculous. i'm being refused stronger. pain medication or more. i mean, i got to take home my baby. i lots of women this report shows don't get to do and that's incredibly tragic and to be addressed now look indeed indeed i look thank you very, very much for coming on. sorry to hear that you had an ordeal and a half by the sounds of things, but good luck in your foray into into motherhood nonetheless. you very much for coming on and sharing experiences and commenting on what is unfortunate . yes, what is unfortunate. yes, another bleak picture for another very bleak picture for maternity in the uk . going to maternity in the uk. going to really quick statement now from nhs that said that the data demonstrates the significant progress that's been made to reduce stillbirths deaths as well since 2010. but we know further is needed to ensure continued safe care all women,

babies and their families, nhs england continues to support trust and integrated care boards to improvements to maternity and care that they provide . now, care that they provide. now, lots of you, me getting in touch with your views gbviews@gbnews.uk, not just on that particular but on an issue as well that i know is very, very close to your heart. so we're going to go to those now very before i throw over very shortly before i throw over to the is the news, in to the break is the news, in fact, which is on this fact, which is on front this month to margaret detention centre has been painted as a good but the good story. but the last question of is why question for a lot of is why have we put all people have we put all these people frankly, have got any idea frankly, have we got any idea who are, they're who they are, where they're from, we keeping on from, and how are we keeping on them? have we just released essentially best part of 4000 people the wild and people into the wild and a catastrophic again catastrophic case? yes. again illegal immigration, mismanagement patrick, is mismanagement. patrick, this is from why are they clearing from tina. why are they clearing it so quickly? i'm sure. they're expecting huge numbers. yes tina, good point. on both counts will again very, very will be full again very, very shortly would imagine. shortly. would imagine. but secondly, they are secondly, tina, they are clearing quickly because they clearing it quickly because they have been anyway of having inhumane conditions there. so it is a complete fudge. it is just

something to say to appease lawyers, basically. but we go on patrick christys as the gb news. coming up, i will a former coming up, i will ask a former transport minister he makes of that breaking news we had that big breaking news we had right here earlier which that the announced time the rmt has announced big time action. keir action. and after sir keir starmer business leaders starmer told business leaders that to wean itself off that the uk to wean itself off the for foreign workers i.r.a. okay, who do you trust to deal with immigration ? is it labour? with immigration? is it labour? is it all race? i suspect the answer is neither back up for the headlines . it's answer is neither back up for the headlines. it's just going 530. i'm honest, porter in the gb newsroom the rmt union has announced industrial action over the period the rmt says its members will not work overtime over christmas and will a series of 48 hour strikes in december and january. dates include the 13th to 14th and 16th to 79th of

december and the third to fourth and six to 7th of january. it's over a long running disputes over a long running disputes over pay jobs conditions rmt . over pay jobs conditions rmt. general secretary mick lynch says the union has been reasonable and that the government is blocking resolutions . the whole process resolutions. the whole process has become a farce that only the new secretary of state can now resolve and i will be calling on him act up to his responsibilities this thursday in meantime, our message to the pubucis in meantime, our message to the public is we are sorry to inconvenience , but we urge you inconvenience, but we urge you to deliver your anger and frustration at the government and railway employers during this latest of action , this latest of action, nottinghamshire police said the mother of two young children who were killed in a flat fire has died . the case is now being died. the case is now being treated as triple murder. our reporter will hollis is on the. will bring us up to date with what's happened ? yes what's happened? yes nottinghamshire police has now released the names of all three

of the victims in what they're describing as a deeply upsetting tragedy. the mother who was announced to have died earlier today has been named as fatuma haidara , age 28, and her two haidara, age 28, and her two children, fatma drama , three children, fatma drama, three years old, a name on drama age one year old. they were announced to have died on sunday afternoon. now, this is a murder inquiry. we have been told that it is an investigation based on a joint decision of police and fire. services here that this is included as a factor been started deliberately . 31 year started deliberately. 31 year old man remains in custody with nottinghamshire police and nottinghamshire police and nottinghamshire police and nottinghamshire police say that they are going to be holding that man for an extra 6 hours to continue questioning . one of the continue questioning. one of the pieces of information that we have been told by detective chief inspector, who's in charge of the case, is that the of the children and of the mother wasn't in the uk at the time and so he wasn't in the flat at time

of the fire. police saying that they asked for the respect his family this clearly quite a difficult time it's hitting the community really hard here in nottingham. lot of people have been leaving floral tributes and one man who was passing told me that he is absolutely heartbroken . thank you. will heartbroken. thank you. will hollis joining there from nottingham . the king has been nottingham. the king has been hosting first state visit as monarch . king charles has monarch. king charles has welcomed south african president cyril ramaphosa during a ceremony at horse guards . they ceremony at horse guards. they then proceeded the mile by carriage to buckingham , where a carriage to buckingham, where a banquet will be held in the president's honour. president ramaphosa also address parliament and meet prime minister . tv parliament and meet prime minister. tv online and dab radio. this is gb news. don't go anywhere. patrick we'll be back in just a moment.

here's a quick snapshot of today's markets. the pound will you? $1.1868 an d ,1.1553. the you? $1.1868 and ,1.1553. the price of gold , £1,467 and $0.47 price of gold, £1,467 and $0.47 per ounce. 6100 closed at 7000. 452 points . 452 points. who do you trust more when it comes to handling immigration, both legal and, illegal. it used to arguably not really be a question. did you trust the more than you would trust labour ? but than you would trust labour? but sir keir starmer wants to apparently businesses off immigration and says that britain needs to train up more of its own to basically have more skilled workers filling vacancies. well, mr. sunak has also urged businesses to call out the pinch points holding the uk when it comes to attracting talent, saying the reason we

ended the free movement of labour was to rebuild public confidence in system. but confidence in the system. but look, be perfectly honest look, let's be perfectly honest with single day we with you. every single day we are dealing with mass illegal immigration, channel and immigration, the channel and elsewhere, we could argue as elsewhere, and we could argue as well legal immigration, net well that legal immigration, net migration is too high. however, do we need to do more when it comes to training some of . all comes to training some of. all right i'm asking you who do you trust more labour or the tories when it comes to handling immigration? well, i thought i'd go to head on this to go head to head on this toe to toe the debate. i'm joined toe the big debate. i'm joined by for blackley by labour mp for blackley broughton, stringer and broughton, graham stringer and political at sunday mirror political at the sunday mirror and sunday people nigel nelson. thank very much. will thank you very very much. i will just straight off the just ask you straight off the bat. graham stringer mp hey, do you trust . i can imagine your you trust. i can imagine your answer, but who do you trust more? why should the public trust? why the public trust? keir starmer, it comes to keir starmer, when it comes to handung keir starmer, when it comes to handling this handling legal immigration? this guy flop than gandhi guy is flip flop than gandhi when it comes to things like this. to want to open this. he used to want to open borders . he's changed his mind. borders. he's changed his mind. and i'm pleased this changed his mind . keir

and i'm pleased this changed his mind. keir starmer like , many mind. keir starmer like, many people in this country voted to remain. my to leave because i thought we should control our borders is implicitly remainer that you wanted open within the european union. he's now recognised the decision as a referendum and i think that's a good thing . the implication of good thing. the implication of thatis good thing. the implication of that is , as you were saying in that is, as you were saying in the introduction that we need to train both of the top middle and bottom end of the labour market. we to train more whether it's doctors and other clinicians at the top end whether it's plumbers, an electrician or whether it's people who are semi—skilled. we just need to make all driver in the kingdom get those jobs . alright nigel get those jobs. alright nigel nelson the editor of the sunday mirror. sunday people. nigel, the fact is we can't trust tories in immigration, but legal or illegal come we. i think that's probably right. or illegal come we. i think that's probably right . and i that's probably right. and i think before the break you are

absolutely right, patrick, when you said well, perhaps , perhaps you said well, perhaps, perhaps we trust neither . it doesn't we trust neither. it doesn't seem to me that either. labour or the tory party are coming with an answer to this. keir starmer, cbi speech today was a bit of all things to all audience, so there was the mantra british jobs for british workers . there was another nod , workers. there was another nod, the cbi about bringing in the foreign skilled labour that they need, and that is to people who don't like migration anyway. by saying that he would immigration dependent to save. there was no target for that and he wouldn't even say would bring it down. yeah i think graeme i'll throw it back over to you. now people can argue a, b, c, straight through this. i think labour has been doing a amount to been doing a huge amount to demonise wants to reduce demonise who wants to reduce immigration into the uk, calling them frothing right wing them a frothing right wing racist and. then, now racist gammon and. then, now shock, horror. all of a sudden we've got someone who wants to

do things well. we need to train british well, i'm sorry british workers. well, i'm sorry arguably by labour's own rhetoric, racist rhetoric, this is a racist policy. be interested your policy. i'd be interested your thoughts that quotes don't i don't . so everything that you don't. so everything that you see online is the average time someone goes, well, you know, maybe, maybe, maybe we should do a bit more strikes at work because people on left go, a bit more strikes at work becyou're eople on left go, a bit more strikes at work becyou're a ple on left go, a bit more strikes at work becyou're a racist. left go, a bit more strikes at work becyou're a racist. i left go, a bit more strikes at work becyou're a racist. i am eft go, a bit more strikes at work becyou're a racist. i am notjo, oh, you're a racist. i am not aware of any leading member of the labour party response for policy and policy implementation and said anything like that . and said anything like that. some people have said things like that, not the labour party. i've quite clear. and now the labour party has come to that view. i'm but they have but we need to control our borders and today kusama's speech was stuck in that direction. but i think it's outrageous to say that the labour party said that they have no, no , they're certainly not no, no, they're certainly not going against . i would a counter going against. i would a counter that way but nigel i'll throw it over to you again on this. does

the british public after face facts that actually practical reality neither major political has a clue when it comes to deaung has a clue when it comes to dealing with illegal or any desire when it comes to reducing net migration. it's not just where we are . well, i'll draw where we are. well, i'll draw obviously two different things when it comes down to asylum coming over for different ways of dealing with that probably . of dealing with that probably. the best ways to is to not make them have to have to launch asylum claim in britain when it comes to net migration this is not a race issue what it should is an economic what and so what we what the debate should not be around party politics it should be around whether or not net migration is a good thing or not. so the office of budget responsibility during the autumn statement they came with there was a report and they were saying that they were predicting originally 129,000 net net

migration . for 2026. no matter migration. for 2026. no matter who is in power now saying that 205,000 and that would add half a point to economic growth? well, there is a benefit from actually doing well i get that. yes, there is but it's the only opfion yes, there is but it's the only option for growth . it means option for growth. it means a startling lack of creativity . is startling lack of creativity. is it realistically our only option for growth is to just keep bringing people in as opposed. but graeme can , i ask you as but graeme can, i ask you as a labour mp , a lot of people are labour mp, a lot of people are saying, well, hang on minute, this is the mess that tony blair started started . well, i think started started. well, i think that would be true in a sense, if what you mean that is that the european union was expanded. we i think the only country other might been one other country that allowed all the new entrants to come in and not change the balance of migration across europe. so you're right tony blair got his figures completely on that . but to go

completely on that. but to go back to the other point about economic activity, one of the problems with free as it was in european union is , it is european union is, it is inhibits investment. european union is, it is inhibits investment . you can inhibits investment. you can either pay people low wages when they come in. and i've seen that in my own constituency, or you could invest and improve productivity . this country's productivity. this country's economic problem is low productivity and part of that has been the infinite supply of very inexpensive . yeah, i'll very inexpensive. yeah, i'll completely agree with you on that one. i think that's does absolutely spot on when it comes to that but nigel your views when it comes is because some people now will just go well you know immigration is our only answer to growth and surely there's there's to there's got to be there's got to be ways to that. isn't be other ways to that. isn't that. be other ways to that. isn't that . yeah. i mean, it's not the that. yeah. i mean, it's not the only at all. and obviously what you want to try and do is to raise pay , give people the kind raise pay, give people the kind of training they need in britain, all those . but there

britain, all those. but there are areas where migrants actually can help . so for actually can help. so for instance, fruit pickers and poultry people that , the poultry people that, the government decided to get rid of the seasonal workers scheme and caused farmers real problems . caused farmers real problems. now we have quotas of 40,000 for them to come in. now these are jobs that that british people have tried . i don't like it that have tried. i don't like it that that breaks . those are the kind that breaks. those are the kind of things where we need some help from abroad . yeah. look, help from abroad. yeah. look, both of you, thank you very much. thank you very much. that labour for bartley and labour mp for bartley and broughton graves drink. i'm political the sunday political editor at the sunday mirror. sunday people nigel nelson i want you to apologise the next if i seem slightly distracted during last question that is for reason okay that and it is for reason okay i'm normally slightly more coherent with my words but i am for my sentence . manchester for my sentence. manchester united fan and it is with very, very heart that now have very heavy heart that now have to break the news that christiane though, set christiane now, though, is set to leave manchester by mutual agreement and with immediate effect . the club said it's got effect. the club said it's got a black . the club said that they

black. the club said that they thank him very much for his immense contribution across two spells at old trafford . there we spells at old trafford. there we 90, spells at old trafford. there we go, christiane renaldo has now left munch . you know, i said . left munch. you know, i said. right, there we go. i'll just try get through the next 50 minutes of the show without crying. we can all move on. moving on. a study by the think tank policy change has found that almost half of young people believe that britain was founded . racism is indeed still structured, really racist. if i wasn't enough . cristiano wasn't annoyed enough. cristiano ronaldo now we're ronaldo leaves and now we're being that kids have been being told that kids have been indoctrinated with racist indoctrinated with this racist talk anyway. research that talk anyway. research found that six in ten school leavers have taught concepts associated with critical race theory, concerned about children being taught contested as fact policy changes on the government to update ofsted guidance to ensure the political impartiality is enforced. basically all kids being indoctrinated to learn that britain is a horrible racist sex pit. joining me now is alex cuthbert . it was is alex cuthbert. it was director of dev dividers which advocates for colour—blind

anti—racism. first things first. what is colour—blind anti—racism . colour—blind anti—racism is views most people hold. it's to do treating people equally . it's do treating people equally. it's not disregarding people's. it's just understanding that we have more in common. social differences or our biological differences or our biological differences . and france's common differences. and france's common sense view explained. well, explain now, please please explain now, please please explain this to . why is this a explain this to. why is this a shocking of children growing up in this country? the thing that we're found in and that horrible . well there's a kind of short in a slightly longer answer outright alluded to we have got a certain amount ideological capture. if you like, within our pubuc capture. if you like, within our public institution . i think this public institution. i think this has been coming over a time , and has been coming over a time, and that includes education in schools. and i don't divide this

report show that, you know, quite a few councils . some were quite a few councils. some were actively endorsing third party providers who are promoting the idea that promoting that britain is systematically racist and that white people and that white people have white privilege and they want to teach children to see colour even where they don't see colour even where they don't see it. and spontaneously just getting on with things . yeah. getting on with things. yeah. can conscious in terms of it's just quite historic . i know it's just quite historic. i know it's a complicated issue, but one of my major problems when it comes to this stuff is someone like yourself, for someone who dedicates their entire life to, you proper academic you know, a real proper academic study and a statistical study of this of stuff, you know this kind of stuff, you know what, would rather children what, i would rather children maybe were taught things are bafic maybe were taught things are basic maths and english in another language or something along lines. if along those lines. but if someone like went into someone like yourself went into schools, it in the way schools, discussed it in the way that discussing now, that we're discussing it now, wouldn't have massive problem that we're discussing it now, woulthat.|ave massive problem that we're discussing it now, woulthat. ive massive problem that we're discussing it now, woulthat. i do massive problem that we're discussing it now, woulthat. i do have;sive problem that we're discussing it now, woulthat. i do have;sivissueylem with that. i do have an issue with that. i do have an issue with idea, sandra, from the with the idea, sandra, from the geography might geography department might be telling child or not,

telling my future child or not, britain an inherently britain is an inherently country. oh unqualified people . country. oh unqualified people. indoctrinating children in critical theory . well, i mean, critical theory. well, i mean, this this is this is the right is that what is what we're finding? it's not so much that , finding? it's not so much that, you know, you want to have a discussion, anything, whether it's tearing down statues or critical race theory . it really critical race theory. it really is the key here . the way it's is the key here. the way it's framed . and quite often these framed. and quite often these third party organisations , many third party organisations, many of whom are not experienced or qualified teachers, they may have a whole slew of sort of kind of code qualifications, but they don't have the actual experience in the classroom or the subject expertise in a discipline. what they're doing is that they are teaching with a very, very narrow viewpoint. and i think this is something the policy exchange report , a large policy exchange report, a large number of younger people who they interviewed were not did not remember having being an

alternative or if they had . it alternative or if they had. it was that that viewpoint not respectable and our own campaign work in brighton and hove you know shows how this has happened . brighton and hove councillors explicitly . the colour—blind explicitly. the colour—blind approach . and also as it happens approach. and also as it happens in the process, the views and lived experience . a well, i lived experience. a well, i think it's alien mother, i think. yeah, yeah , exactly. and think. yeah, yeah, exactly. and i think it's obviously astonishing , isn't it? there's astonishing, isn't it? there's something slightly orwellian about the idea that a lot of these people are pushing this rhetoric are the ones that want to bring us all together. we want harmony. want peace want harmony. we want peace and love all of this stuff. at love and all of this stuff. at the same time, they're pushing the same time, they're pushing the rhetoric literally divides. but thank very, but let me i thank you very, very much. a great have you on the show. i'm going talk to the show. i'm going to talk to you i'll just cuts you all day i'll just go cuts but that really director of down dividers which for colour—blind anti—racism reacting to the news shock loads of shock horror that now loads of kids out of school kids are coming out of school having been told that we are a horrible racist nation. mean horrible racist nation. i mean we're minority we're got minority prime minister home minister and minority home secretary record levels of

illegal immigration and those being put up by the taxpayer. and, course, massive, massive and, of course, massive, massive , massive immigration as well. so i would have that maybe we're not the most racist country in the world, but then we are coming up. moria anxious the rmt announcing a fresh of strike action in run up to action in the run up to christmas and the new year. i will see you after a very, very short break .

absolutely misery. that's right. ladies and gentlemen yes, the rmt is announced is going to be widespread strike action over christmas instantly, unless course a big deal can be struck the walkout. the for 48 hour penod the walkout. the for 48 hour period so you've the 13 to the 14th the 16th the 17th of december and then as if that wasn't enough the first the 4th of january on the sixth to the

seventh of that month as well. they'll also get there's been overtime, but the christmas penod overtime, but the christmas period is if you haven't had striking. is striking. joining me now is simon calder, travel journalist simon, very much. simon, thank you very much. great you show. great to have you on the show. right. one thing that i can't get my head around is that mitt lynch saying that there kind of is a on table but it's is a deal on the table but it's not on the table in writing and the government have decided not to actually meet with him 55 minutes does that minutes notice does that everyone want everyone on both sides just want us be miserable this us all to be miserable this christmas. certainly christmas. no, they certainly don't . if you talk to the don't. least if you talk to the government , talk to train government, talk to the train operators, and to the operators, and talk to the union. union say that we're union. the union say that we're very sorry we don't have any choice in. this they say they've made some very specific i've never actually seen make lynch so angry he's the general secretary the rmt of course he gave a press conference outside the union hq just by euston in london and. he was saying effectively that they were told was going to be a deal on the

table yesterday afternoon , 55 table yesterday afternoon, 55 minutes notice he was told that that was okay and that that was the why could that be something that could settle why could that be. this is what i don't understand if . there's something understand if. there's something you smell a deal. and you can almost smell a deal. and now all of sudden what is now all of a sudden what is there to gain from the government by unless it's just that is financial that mick lynch is financial demands totally out of demands are totally out of order. there demands all order. well, there demands all the way across . it's partly the way across. it's partly about pay. it's partly about guarantees on no compulsory redundancies. and it's also guarantees about working conditions . and there are a conditions. and there are a number of practises the rail industry, which frankly prehistoric and yet the union going to say, well, we'll change them, but only if get a few extra percent. so again. the freight, it appears the government has squashed this. they're going to meet mick lynch and mark harper, the new transport secretary, on thursday. everyone be watching. yes, indeed . i can completely yes, indeed. i can completely understand that because you can't really have a situation where archaic out of date and

potentially quite costly to the taxpayer . practices are just taxpayer. practices are just allowed to continue indefinitely. that is ridiculous , we live in a modern world very and very finely. simon workers of the world unite appeared to be a little bit at what was saying at the end, if you are indeed a worker, he doesn't support going on strike as well . yes, but that's partly think because relatively speaking , because relatively speaking, workers and the rmt would say actually their average wage is £31,000 a year and they're not well paid . generally speaking, well paid. generally speaking, they are well paid and they want to keep the public on side with this. they believe public opinion is in favour of them going on strike on multiple occasions and they look at say we're on your side as well i think is a fascinating caveat to that, though, isn't it? which is as long the public don't know the exact specific terms that she's for, it's very difficult for us to know or not. we're completely onside with bits of it.thank completely onside with bits of it. thank you very, very much. great to have simon go to that travel journal is right does really it from but before go

really it from me but before go it's but. it's not it's dewbs& co but. it's not what dewbs& co is with the utterly magnificent emily cava instead. have you instead. emily, what have you got with. it got coming up with. i mean, it strikes lynch all self—defeating at this point these strikes are apparently costing tens if not hundreds of millions of pounds. the industry is this not going be mean more redundancies in the long term for those rail workers themselves. so will discussing that. we'll also be looking of course, keir starmer's big change in tone when it comes to immigration. do you trust him? does he want to wean the economy off cheap labour? i'm not so sure . and of course, we're also sure. and of course, we're also going to be looking at that windfall tax . is it already windfall tax. is it already having a negative effect ? of having a negative effect? of course, that they course, has said that they may not investing much in not be investing so much in energy , energy market. when we energy, energy market. when we need more gas and energy. so we've got all of that to come. oh forward to emily and. indeed. so is the nation emily carve that filling in for michelle dewberry who has of course gone on strike. she has a massive fraud of merrill lynch they fraud of merrill lynch and they empty what's empty and that's what's

happening. not happening. there you go. not really. michelle anyway, thank you much. i've been patrick you very much. i've been patrick christys. back christys. i will be back again tomorrow pm. i'm with you all tomorrow at pm. i'm with you all the way through dragging you kicking through the way through dragging you kickafternoon, through the way through dragging you kickafternoon, into through the way through dragging you kickafternoon, into the through the way through dragging you kickafternoon, into the evening. the afternoon, into the evening. but stay but make sure that you stay tuned for wonderful emily tuned for the wonderful emily carr . hello. tuned for the wonderful emily carr. hello. i'm aidan mcgivern from the met office. a welcome break this afternoon for many of us from but not for us from the rain. but not for all of us. still some showers out eventually the cloud out there. eventually the cloud will across leading will break up across uk leading to a chilly night in places. we're in between weather systems at the moment still the legacy of monday's low pressure that brought all wet that's well brought all that wet that's well still bringing some the next system lined up to bring us more wet and windy weather on wednesday in between clearing skies but some rain continuing for orkney of course some issues dunng for orkney of course some issues during the evening and, wind strengthening for shetland gales , severe gales developing overnight with the clear spells elsewhere across the uk. a chilly night to come . a chilly night to come. a widespread frost across scotland in the and eastern england. temperatures in places a couple of below freezing .

of degrees below freezing. otherwise a start to the otherwise a mild start to the day ireland, wales in the day for ireland, wales in the southwest, but a wet one, some intense rain for a few. first thing could cause some issues. but move through. it but it does move through. it clears wales during clears england and wales during the morning well northern the morning as well as northern ireland. brighter follow , ireland. brighter skies follow, albeit showers. albeit with blustery showers. then into northern then the rain into northern scotland , gusty wind scotland, gusty wind accompanying it and those gales continuing along showers for shetland but sits showery afternoon for many places. essentially the best of any dner essentially the best of any drier and sunnier interludes eastern england. otherwise those showers rattling in from the southwest and continuing during the evening on wednesday as well as overnight. the evening on wednesday as well as overnight . move into northern as overnight. move into northern england, scotland well falling as snow for the scottish mountains. there'll be some clear spells in between and the strongest of . the winds will strongest of. the winds will affect western and southern areas . it's affect western and southern areas. it's these areas affect western and southern areas . it's these areas where areas. it's in these areas where temperatures will hold up overnight 8 to 10 celsius. overnight at 8 to 10 celsius. but where some shelter but where we get some shelter towards east and northeast towards the east and northeast mid low single are mid to low single figures are possible. start in places possible. bright start in places first thing thursday but still showers moving north across

northern wales and scotland. then the next of wet and windy weather moves through northern ireland the of the ireland by the end of the afternoon, into wales afternoon, pushing into wales england and scotland later. it does move through quickly, followed by further showers .

good evening at 6 pm. and this is dewbs & co don't worry i'm is dewbs& co don't worry i'm watching the right channel. i'm culver filling in for michel jay right now. one thing you wouldn't have asked for this christmas are rail strikes they are anti—union has delivered another round of festive misery for commuters announcing they'll walk out the middle december walk out in the middle december and in january. the rail and again in january. the rail delivery groups as the strikes