good evening is 6 pm. welcome to dbs good evening is 6 pm. welcome to des and co don't you are watching the right channel michelle dewberry is having a well—earned off. i'm not a quitter. i'm with you till 7:00. topics that we'll be covering suella braverman now she's admitted the government failed to control borders. tell me something new that was during the grilling by mp today. it's quite obvious that. but what do you think? what do we do now? then we'll be looking at the nhs. it says it is picking up the pieces due to an epidemic of gambling addiction among young men. hospitals that men. is it our hospitals that should dealing with this should be dealing with this problem links slavery problem? then links to slavery bristol is continuing its effort , rewrite its history and the links to slavery. now the university wants to change the names of some because the money

used to build might have come from tobacco plantations and then johnson he's still headlines. find out what he had to say about some of the fellow european leaders all that to come tonight on dewbs& co. but first, the latest news headlines . first, the latest news headlines. hello there. good evening. i'm bethany ellzey. here to you up to date from the gb newsroom. scotland's first minister says the next general election will act as a de facto referendum. it's after the uk government won a legal battle in supreme court preventing a second independence vote from being held. nicholas sturgeon accused westminster of blocking scotland's voice from being heard . a special snp being heard. a special snp conference will be held next year to determine way forward a so—called in which one partner is denied the right to choose a different future. but to ask

itself the question cannot be described any way as voluntary or even a partnership at all. so this ruling confirms that the nofion this ruling confirms that the notion of the uk as a voluntary partnership of nations if it ever was a reality is no longer a reality . and that exposes a reality. and that exposes situation that is quite simply unsustainable . the home unsustainable. the home secretary has admitted the government has failed to control the uk's borders. government has failed to control the uk's borders . record numbers the uk's borders. record numbers of channel migrant this year, giving at a parliamentary hearing. struggle to explain legal routes which asylum seekers could use to come to the uk . she blamed the migrants uk. she blamed the migrants themselves for overcrowding at themselves for overcrowding at the manston centre in kent , the manston centre in kent, where at its peak earlier this month 4000 were being held . i'll month 4000 were being held. i'll tell you who's at fault. yeah it's very clear. it's the people who are breaking our rules coming here illegally. explore putting vulnerable people and

trying abuse the generosity of the people. that's who's afraid . some homeless people accused the government of prioritising illegal migrants over their welfare. more than 300 mostly male asylum seekers have been staying at the metropole on blackpool's seafront for the past year. a homeless group in the city, which includes an armed forces veteran, have been speaking to gb news. they say they're living on the streets. i'll channel are put up in a nearby . it's wrong . you're nearby. it's wrong. you're looking at the real homeless. they are . and with putting them they are. and with putting them in their and then leave you know from , the streets. it's wrong . from, the streets. it's wrong. the prime has appointed a senior lawyer investigate bullying claims . the deputy prime claims. the deputy prime minister dominic raab, requested anindepend minister dominic raab, requested an independ an inquiry after two formal complaints were made him. he says he's he'll be cleared of any wrongdoing. adam tolley

kacey who specialises in commercial and employment law, will lead the investigate . will lead the investigate. ukraine's has requested an urgent meeting of the united nafions urgent meeting of the united nations security following russian missiles strikes on key infrastructure . it's asked the infrastructure. it's asked the entire kyiv has been left without power and water supply without power and water supply with . half of neighbouring with. half of neighbouring moldova also experiencing a blackout in southeastern ukraine. a newborn baby was killed in a missile that hit a maternity . the two storey maternity. the two storey building was reduced rubble and rescue workers could be seen sifting through the debris , sifting through the debris, trying to find survivors . while trying to find survivors. while the uk escalating its support for supplying helicopters for the first time three former british military kings and a further 10,000 artillery rounds will be sent to kyiv. it follows the prime minister's visit to the prime minister's visit to the country at the weekend where pledged a furthe r £50 million pledged a further £50 million for air defence. in other news,

tpi have been charged with human trafficking offences in northern ireland . 150 police officers ireland. 150 police officers raided 27 brothels as part of the biggest operation against the biggest operation against the crime in the country. gb news is has more. the crime in the country. gb news is has more . 63 year old news is has more. 63 year old gerard corrigan pomeroy and 47 year old maeva mariano, formerly of brazil, but resident in northern ireland. from 2000 he obtained appeared via link at dungannon magistrates court. they have both been with human trafficking , controlling trafficking, controlling prostitution , keeping a brothel prostitution, keeping a brothel and money laundering. bill was denied after police raised concerns of flight risk and that they would interfere with an investigation currently going on across the uk , the pair will across the uk, the pair will appear again on december 21st. millions pensioners will get a cash boost from today as part of the government's expanded fuel payment scheme and let 11.6

million people will receive up t 0 £600 to help with their to £600 to help with their energy . the government says most energy. the government says most will be automatic with household getting their money in their bank accounts over the next two months and met office is warning there could potential flooding and transport tomorrow caused by strong winds and heavy rain. a yellow weather warning has been issued for of wales southern and western england. northern ireland and southern scotland. the warning will be in place from 10 am. tomorrow until 7 pm. you're up to on tv, online p.m. you're up to on tv, online and daily plus , this is tv news. and daily plus, this is tv news. now let's get back to dewbs& co with nana . with nana. good afternoon . it's good good afternoon. it's good evening even. crikey, as far the french and 7 minutes after 6:00 this is jeeves and co with me nana akua. now me until seven my

panel nana akua. now me until seven my panel. ashley frawley is a sociologist at swansea . we've sociologist at swansea. we've got a former brexit party mep michael. he's right. so i want to talk to you about this because i want to get your thoughts so you can get in touch with me as well. gbp is at gb news dot uk or you can tweet at gb news. now the un secretary has admitted that the government have failed to control britain's borders and speaking to the home affairs committee laid the blame the feet of criminal gangs who smuggled thousands of people the channel and so far about 42,000 migrants have crossed this year. now here's what pro—government had to say when she was asked by team how an african teenager fleeing , a war torn country, fleeing, a war torn country, might get to the uk. well have an asylum system and people can put in applications for asylum . put in applications for asylum. how would i do that? you can . how would i do that? you can. you can. you can do it through the safe and legal routes that

we have. we have offered 390,000 places to seeking safety from countries around world. are not syrian are not afghan. i'm not ukrainian . any of these specific ukrainian. any of these specific schemes. the double scheme is historic. what open to me. well, if you are able to get to the uk, you are able to put in an application for asylum. but i would only enter the uk illegally then would know well that that would. if you put in your application for asylum upon arrival , that would be the arrival, that would be the process that you enter. how could i arrive the uk if i didn't have permission ? get onto didn't have permission? get onto an aircraft legally to arrive in the uk . let me just invite our the uk. let me just invite our colleagues . there's anything colleagues. there's anything they want to add. i mean, you you could engage with unhcr. i mean, spending country you're from, you could engage with unhcr. and that be a way unhcr. and that would be a way of getting leave to enter uk in order to put in the asylum claim. but i accept that there are some countries where that

would not be possible. oh god favour. because i sort of looked around side to somebody around side to side to somebody else answer very else to answer that very difficult i we difficult question. i think we all know answer. now, all know the answer. now, actually, surprise you actually, did it surprise you that the secretary wasn't able to provide information, safe and legal exist for legal routes that exist for syrians did it surprise you at all? and afghans and also you quite. no, not at all. because she revealed basically that that's intentional so countries have a duty to accept people who land as she said who are who are able to arrive the uk and process them on arrival . and so process them on arrival. and so what they have done is they've made it very, very to do that, to actually get into the uk using safe . and so she she was using safe. and so she she was basically presented with the fact you've made this intentionally very and she said oh well and sort of looked around but that's the issue that countries have tried to get around this requirement by making it very, very difficult and they push people more and more dangerous forms passage. i mean people don't get onto the very dangerous boats with their

small children knowing the risk of death because they think it'll be a really fun. well, to be fair a lot of them are young men in, females and very few families attempt that route. yeah, but it happens. and people don't like the push factors are so incredibly strong and if you actually listen to i know that being a bleeding heart here but if listen the if you actually listen the stories people tell you stories that people tell you would the same thing would probably do the same thing even in the situation where even even in the situation where it is a complete loss of any opportunity, where people are coming from. most people would not accept situation for themselves. they recognise that. so if we have the ability to have safe for people, then we're able to process people more effectively. but the fact the matter is people will keep coming and if you make it more and more as countries have done, you make so that they come by a very dangerous . and we have very dangerous. and we have unfortunately an entire industry that's grown up around that in terms of people smugglers and what the tried to do is say what the is tried to do is say oh just those people those oh it's just those people those evil they're just duping

evil people they're just duping migrants and would be asylum seekers. but fact of the matter is they've created that situation in first place. well they would argue that actually they would argue that actually the people are they come the people are safe. they come from and if you're from france. and if you're genuine and a refugee fleeing and persecution you'd be and persecution that you'd be happy safe country. happy with a safe country. michael well, of course. i mean, you know , france is perfectly you know, france is perfectly safe country and many of those crossing actually from crossing are actually from albania . and i think what you've albania. and i think what you've seen today from suella braverman, it's a really interesting because if you remember similar brave men's entire leadership campaign when stood conservative stood for the conservative leadership was on the basis of the uk needed to leave the shore in order stop the boats to stop illegal migrants. in order stop the boats to stop illegal migrants . and she said illegal migrants. and she said that when she was the attorney general. now as home secretary, you've got suella braverman having to take questions of mps not able . it isn't the not able. it isn't the government's policy to put in place her plan that she's advocated that the uk must leave the eu charter, for instance, talk the role and the policy.

you heard of talk? lots of talk out there on the policy. what's happened to that? that was announced back in april. that deal patel. it deal by priti patel. and it hasn't happened . the reason it hasn't happened. the reason it hasn't happened. the reason it hasn't happened. the reason it hasn't happened is because there's from there's an intervention from foreign judge in a european court who blocked british government policy. that's the situation that we're in. so what a brave man herself. her personal and she's advocated leaving eec but i think it's frankly that she now is home secretary isn't able to deliver something said time and time again publicly is the real solution to stop this madness . solution to stop this madness. and don't forget, you know it's a style ending to think it was 28,000 people last year. it's 40,000 people so far already this year. this isn't something that's just happened suddenly, the government, you know, strategy giving the french authorities lots money and hoping that they'll this is a complete wing and a prayer. it isn't going to work. it hasn't worked. and we need something much more radical, more if there were safe legal routes, because sohail answer

sohail is struggling to answer that questions to me that questions suggests to me that questions suggests to me that actually much that there actually isn't much option. have to option. you're going to have to get country somehow if get to this country somehow if you get on plane , i you can't get on a plane, i suppose, a boat or catch on the back of a lorry going through the eurotunnel or something like that. basically is that. so basically what is available is actually really available or is actually really i this only way you i mean, this is the only way you come if you're refugee. come here if you're refugee. so perhaps be safe, perhaps they need to be safe, viable routes. and then if you come then you can be come this way, then you can be sent well, of course, are sent back. well, of course, are we've seen safe legal routes we've seen safe legal routes we've seen safe legal routes we've seen it with ukraine. we've it we have we've seen it with we have selective we've chosen selective ones. we've chosen i mean, that's because mean, look, i'm that's because know are know that these people are genuinely fleeing for their lives and real injustice lives and the real injustice with course is that when with this of course is that when people who are from albania people who are now from albania whoever crossing small whoever are crossing on small being smuggled over by via now taken up hotel rooms up and down country that should actually be going. i saw this story earlier. my going. i saw this story earlier. my old gb news for highlighting it. perhaps to homeless people in this country. in this country, people genuine need rather than those who have paid to cross from france. yeah. it's interesting that we suddenly

have a whole lot of compassion for homeless people when actually policy tends to be the place where people don't really care about it when you need to make cuts. but are unpopular. so you of move money around, you kind of move money around, you kind of move money around, you take it from housing policy because politically unpaid because it's politically unpaid . suddenly, oh well, . people are suddenly, oh well, i about homeless i care about homeless people inventions. we should care inventions. well we should care about home we to have veterans we need something that will no genuine like generally in of policy. it is an area that is not democratically it's not something that is very very popular but we need yes we do need better homelessness policy. yes, we do need better housing . yes, we do need better housing. but in addition we also need to reckon with the fact that we have a growing mass of people in the world who are quote unquote useless. are they're not useless. they are they're not useless. they are they're not useless because no human being can ever be useless. their mind is that can think and hands that can work. but we have no use them in our dwindling economies which are sluggish and are unable . and we unable to grow. and so we probably have to use them. probably do have to use them. but i think there isn't but i think exactly there isn't use people. but what mean

use for people. but what i mean in a way what winds up happening because they're of what because they're sort of what winds happening is we of winds up happening is we sort of the onto other and the world's poor onto other and we use sort of poorer countries like rwanda as a repository for people as though like we're sort of disposing of toxic waste . of disposing of toxic waste. we're just sort of pushing the problems around if problems around and. also, if you look history of, the you look at the history of, the countries tend to countries that tend to produce a lot, migrants , they tend to be lot, migrants, they tend to be highly or involved in conflict that involves the countries that they up in. so there's a much bigger in terms of global. mike okay, so what about that? i'll put it to you that albania, a lot of albanians coming in is not a real problems in albania. we're told there's no war. there's nothing really going on there. just sit, yeah, there. they just sit, yeah, there's really going there's nothing really going on. that's that's that's the problem. that's not our problem, it? our problem, though, is it? i mean, look, it's not nothing going on in albania that's got nothing do with me that's got nothing to do with me that's got something there's something to do with there's nothing should this the nothing why why should this the people this country for people of this country pay for people of this country pay for people come from a people who have come from a place there's with place where there's nothing with that you know,

that place happy to. you know, i think it's taking advantage of the british generosity happy to take who is fleeing take if anybody who is fleeing persecution. when persecution. but when you're coming country you coming from a country then you even arguing the fact that even arguing with the fact that you're getting you know, you're not getting you know, accommodation isn't good enough and somewhere and you've come from somewhere that's a few that's perfectly fine. a few people something might people doing, something might be jerks, be taking advantage jerks, might be taking advantage of a of people about of things, but a of people about a nothing. exactly. a quarter of nothing. exactly. lots lots people doing lots and lots people doing something you there something tells you that there is factor there . is a strong push factor there. and if you think if you live in a house, maybe, oh yeah, i'm just sitting in albania. i've got a perfectly nice, great jobs. everything is great can jobs. everything is great i can get i start a life. get married, i can start a life. but you what? i'm going to migrate dangerous conditions because there's a hotel the because there's a hotel on the other room i have to other side of the room i have to pay any other side of the room i have to pay any bills. there are very look if you cannot find life for yourself, you will leave . that's yourself, you will leave. that's what happens. and a very big problem in the world where there are lots and lots of people for whom there is nothing. and they will and they are leaving will leave and they are leaving . to reckon with that. . we need to reckon with that. we we reckon with we need we need to reckon with the that i dynamic economy the fact that i dynamic economy the fact that i dynamic economy the world over that is capable

growing and providing people with jobs and creating things. okay back and argue that's great. pull back. we need fewer people started asking where is the limit then because means absolutely anyone anywhere i mean that was the limit. everything or anyone who's followed my passport just start tying up two countries because i fancy there for a couple tying up two countries because i farso there for a couple tying up two countries because i farso i there for a couple tying up two countries because i farso i mean here for a couple tying up two countries because i farso i mean you'ver a couple tying up two countries because i farso i mean you've got:ouple tying up two countries because i farso i mean you've got ajple tying up two countries because i farso i mean you've got a have of so i mean you've got a have you've to have legal and you've got to have legal and safe routes and you've to have a degree and got to have a system whereby the government can make sure that those in this country are safe because they know who's coming in and they know who's in the country you cannot have a whereby people are coming across from france throwing away documents, locking up , getting documents, locking up, getting put in hotels and tell me that thatis put in hotels and tell me that that is just the that is fair that is just the that is fair that that is a good spend of british taxpayers , i think is british taxpayers, i think is absolutely outrageous and it is going to cost them afraid the conservatives the next election because for the talk that we've heard and i go back to the one

the policy there was lots of talk that and the big talk about that and the big splashes pages and splashes on the front pages and there absolutely sign there was absolutely sign whatsoever a policy that was whatsoever of a policy that was announced back in april ever is happening because a foreign judge and a court blocked government policy . that's what's government policy. that's what's happened. and so what the bright woman has been honest herself enough to say the solution here starts with leaving the government. it seems are still intent on doing very deals with the french to involve british taxpayers forking out even more money. isn't work and it will cost the tories the next election. now i absolutely that we need to get if you're going have a humane i think we do need to have a humane policy because it's very very difficult to tell the difference between people when coming and are when they're coming and you are forcing these very forcing them into these very very circumstances and very difficult circumstances and there's control it we need there's no control it we need open safer passage for people where we can keep track of them or can process people properly, but also need to get the public onside for that and kind of just demanding or just sort of

claiming you're going to do something and then failing and over and over again claiming you're going magically you're just going magically stop this somehow when this from happening somehow when you that you can't just you know that you can't just alienate, it's to strike. well, i think there's something different about australia. i mean you have to get it in this country of often what happens, people maybe will go overboard on the boats and obviously everyone to rescued. everyone has to be rescued. that is absolutely should be is absolutely how it should be in they've got sharks in australia. they've got sharks and they get and things so they didn't get the basic point was they broke the basic point was they broke the people smuggling the financial incentive by basically letting it be known there is no point paying these because they large amounts of money because you some back. well that's you get some back. well that's not that but what would you to that though because actually if people think people sent back okay i think what needed the routes what is needed the safe routes though because the sounds of it and so what is difficulty in answering the question or not passing else that passing on to somebody else that doesn't like there's doesn't sound like there's anything fall anything for people don't fall under the categories under the three the categories that already absolutely that we've already absolutely not the case not not intentionally the case and have created and so have created this situation another to deal

situation and another to deal with it and then they tried get poor countries to with poor countries to deal with their inability with it their inability deal with it that rwanda and countries that is rwanda and countries around including around the world including australia have attempted to do this countries deal this let poor countries deal with population with with our waste population with sort of global people who have have no use, we to be realistic about this situation . we can't about this situation. we can't have everyone for everybody got to choose come to this country just because they're not happy with us. let's see. the people have been saying let's see. dave says the government doesn't want stop they're already talking stop it. they're already talking about most cheap about visas for the most cheap laboun about visas for the most cheap labour, course. i mean, labour, of course. i mean, that's a great thing. they're not the indigenous not good for the indigenous people this country live people of this country who live here irene says here pulls the wages. irene says surely the immigrants wanted to come country . the come to this country. the easiest to claim asylum to easiest way to claim asylum to come to apply to the come, the uk is to apply to the british in france. would you think would do that? that's think they would do that? that's what i thought embassies were for, country for, rowena said. this country is full. we look after our own people perhaps this people first. well, perhaps this is highlighting the fact that we are taking of people in this are not taking of people in this country. ian, cruella country. and ian, cruella braverman, calls her, braverman, cruella calls her, it's just one more in a long

line of useless home secretary's . well, keep your thoughts coming . those gbviews@gbnews.uk coming. those gbviews@gbnews.uk the way the nhs says it's picking the pieces of the gambling epidemic among young men. we'll discuss that after the break .

welcome back it's just coming up to 25 minutes after 6:00. this is videos on tv online and on digital radio. this is with me nana akua and joining me through it all, seven, the former brexit party mep michael heaver also sits ologist and swansea university. ashleigh frawley okay, so you've been sending in your views with regard to migration. so he says definitely read this one. so one of the best presenters on the show, nana we love you in our house. so i ask we appreciate that

because as we've it all before from priti patel, because as we've it all before from priti patel , the tories are from priti patel, the tories are the high tax borders world economic forum party. yeah, they're not not doing much for our taxes are they mike. says you can't apply for asylum unless you care. so that means you have to be illegal in first place. if you say you've been trafficked, you can't sent trafficked, you can't be sent back process. so everyone back until process. so everyone is told to say that surely if trafficked you should be thankful and be sent home. yeah, i so and david said about asylum. asylum is to be sought in the safe country not when they've travelled through half of europe to and that's an example they are not arriving by plane. so that's a of your thoughts coming through keep them coming but now doctors are warning that the national health service is picking up the pieces of a gambling epidemic amongst youngin of a gambling epidemic amongst young in britain now the times reports that there's been a 42% rise in demand for nhs clinics and thousands of gambling addicts are turning up at a&e,

often having lost all their money. now the say that betting firms are using predatory tactics to keep customers spending. michael big is the problem of gambling among men of your venture you're young i order oh 33. i remember that time back in the day so anyway so talk to me it's you know is absolutely and i can see sides of this i mean you know when you watch the footage now it's packed full of ads for betting firms. well i would say in defence of some of the betting firms as you do regularly now see adverts saying please safe, please gamble responsibly and so on. but know the temptation now. i mean, you only have to look at most high streets and, just see the sort of proliferate version of betting shops are there now and also something that makes it very hard from a technological point of is the app culture that it's all in your hands. i mean, i bet now any time on any around

the world constantly on my phone, i nearly always lose. and having at your fingertips, i think, is what can obviously accelerate people's problems with this. i would also specifically on this point, though, and i maybe education could play a role in terms of educating people around dangers or on getting hooked on this sort of stuff. but i would also say know that male say because we know that male suicide this country, i suicide rates in this country, i think around three times higher than do think we've got than women i do think we've got a serious in a serious problem in this country when . it comes to how country when. it comes to how young men , you know, this sort young men, you know, this sort of stuff they see in the mainstream well, i mainstream media. well, i do feel like masculinity men , you feel like masculinity men, you know, it's constantly demonised. you know, this phrase we toxic masculinity saying there's nothing toxic about being a strong man, about testosterone , strong man, about testosterone, worrying about chivalry. these are good , rarely celebrated now. are good, rarely celebrated now. and my advice to lot of young men is basically in terms of what jocks like the bbc, i think is absolutely a lot of the stuff on there. and you're better off

exercise in looking after your body respecting people and actually being positive and trying to get your head out of some of this madness that we see. i do feel like, you know, i'm sorry to say i do feel like this is in our society at the moment. the demons of men is just got completely. that is partly to blame, but as to why many men will turn to things like less of a man or like because less of a man or they're not to celebrate they're not able to celebrate their masculinity sounds like a load what about? load of dross. what you about? well, oh, i think well, do you think. oh, i think what's interesting about is what's interesting about this is the there's this the way that there's this desperation to gambling desperation to turn gambling into problem and this into a health problem and this is know people the public is you know people the public health lobby has trying to health lobby has been trying to do while. they've been do this for while. they've been trying they've been looking trying to they've been looking around for evidence, anything that to say this that they can find to say this is a health problem. so is a health problem. and so they're because, they're saying, well, because, you on in the you know, early on in the summer, there was a report that came out and. they said, well, look, is health look, gambling is a health because well, because it causes harm. well, then everything a health then everything is a health problem harm, problem that causes harm, but they've and they've they've gone through and they've they've gone through and they've they've of death they've looked at sort of death records for any kinds of mention of gambling. and they've been

sort on suicide and sort of drawing on suicide and sort of drawing on suicide and so winds up happening so on. so it winds up happening is when like gambling is is when we like gambling is a really issue to with really tricky issue to deal with and aren't actually any and there aren't actually any good ways addiction is really hard to deal with and there are very few, if any evidence based means of curing gambling addiction. it's a mixture of kind of social and maybe some individual factors and psychological factors obviously. but there's this desire kind of it's such a tricky issue to kind of like push it toward the nhs. oh well you need psychological help. this is something to bring to a doctor and this isn't the only thing there's. huge range only thing there's. a huge range of social that really of social that are really difficult to deal with. but they of transform into a health problem and makers like problem and policy makers like this don't know how problem and policy makers like thideal don't know how problem and policy makers like thideal with don't know how problem and policy makers like thideal with these don't know how problem and policy makers like thideal with these issues now how problem and policy makers like thideal with these issues and how to deal with these issues and then it toward the nhs then they push it toward the nhs and kind of throw and then they kind of throw money at it and we wonder why the nhs has become this like black of money. it's black hole of money. it's because recreated, because we've recreated, we've recast problems recast so many social problems as and when the as medical problems and when the nhs spread we have nhs spread so thinly as we have seen, it becomes less and less able deal the basic things

able deal with the basic things that expect to deal with, that we expect to deal with, like because it's, like a flu season because it's, it's responsible . every it's now responsible. every problem society well know problem in society well know mike luckovich because i'm not i'm say it i'm teasing you when. i say it sounds like toss. i mean, sounds like a toss. i mean, obviously, your perspective, a lot of young turn to lot of young men may turn to gambling a way to of get gambling as a way to sort of get over fact that they don't over the fact that they don't feel man enough or masculine enough. in your do you think enough. but in your do you think actually is social actually gambling is a social problem or you think it's problem or do you think it's actually a health issue actually a mental health issue and problem? and actually a medical problem? i think it's somewhat i think it's issue with technology it's the issue with technology which there, whether which is it's there, whether it's fast food or all sorts stuff. you're able constantly as and when to access . and i think, and when to access. and i think, you know, we've always there's always been people that have had problems gambling, but it used to a lot more difficult, to be a lot more difficult, i guess, because just have to guess, because you just have to go out got down to the bookies and make far more of an effort. yeah. and perhaps then yeah. and perhaps was then easier members or easier for family members or friends and step and friends to try and step in and stop from continuing. when stop that from continuing. when someone's and someone's got a phone and they've stolen. they've got the app stolen. yeah. yeah you going to do that . i think it just becomes a lot

more difficult. is temptation, isn't it. you have good and the bad these technological bad with these technological advances unfortunately say advances and unfortunately say so. hopefully the fact that you don't have to into a betting don't have to go into a betting so people won't actually you so people won't actually see you so people won't actually see you so just from the app so can do it just from the app and nobody knows your and nobody knows about your problem. you can keep it more hidden. ultimately though, hidden. but ultimately though, is nhs to be is it up to the nhs to be picking up the tab this? do picking up the tab for this? do you you see this as because you do you see this as because you've talked about men feeling certain might certain ways, why they might turn doesn't sound like turn to that doesn't sound like then actually a actual then that is actually a actual medicalised of medicalised problem. a lot of people say addiction people would say addiction actually problem that actually a popular problem that needs dealt with needs to be dealt with medically. i think medically. yeah i think typically internalise and processes emotions and processes and emotions and i think that's probably always been the way anyway certainly been the way anyway i certainly think way i approach it think the way i approach it would from an education point would be from an education point of view and much more practical education about finances, about temptations about positive . but temptations about positive. but should the nhs be picking the tab for this? we'll pick up the tab for this? we'll pick up the tab in terms of people going to a&e, i mean, that's what they're doing. so basically they're just saying that, look we're struggling cope with this

struggling to cope with this because with what actually because we're with what actually is saying it's a social problem when it . but others are saying when it. but others are saying a medical problem, would you say? well if young men turn up to a&e saying feeling saying that they're feeling suicidal, have suicidal, you can't really have a situation the nhs is to a situation where the nhs is to turn and i'm sorry we turn around and say i'm sorry we don't care, i mean that. but my, my attitude is you you, i agree with ashley in terms of they should be need earlier should be we need to earlier intervention through education and that people are more and so that people are more aware of these potential temptations how it can come become seriously harmful. i think at once gets to the point where someone's of that mindset and there are and a&e you can't in a country expect the health service to turn around and dismiss them so i hear you because he obviously do that then ultimately it still the question whether this is then something that needs, as you said, to be dealt with on a societal level where people about it rather than ending with people coming to a&e and posing with, you know . well, i think i with, you know. well, i think i think there is a danger kind of

overstating the it's not tens of thousands of people are rushing to any because they're suicidal like overall it's easy to like the overall it's easy to say like the leading cause of death amongst young men is violence suicide may . go. violence and suicide may. go. oh, violence suicide oh, wow. violence and suicide must much must be getting much, much worse. is because worse. but the reason is because don't die of infectious disease anymore. if you got rid of death by all, all means, except , you by all, all means, except, you know, all disease and so on, then you would have the leading cause of death would be violence and not because society and suicide, not because society is dangerous violent. so is more dangerous or violent. so i a risk of kind i think there's a risk of kind of issue here. the of overstating issue here. the vast majority of people. it's amazing given how how how much technology and, how much effort goes into making these things very, very addictive, how many people sort of don't have an issue with it? the vast majority of people are able to gamble and are able be adult make adult are able be adult to make adult decisions about gambling. and i think what happens is when kind of like throw suicide on the table sort of, oh, table then it's sort of, oh, you know, oh is very, very serious and needs to be taxes and and there needs to be taxes and bans on. there's no of a bans and so on. there's no of a policy wide sort a society wide

policy wide sort a society wide policy that's of dealing policy that's capable of dealing with serious there's evidence with serious there's no evidence of and there is evidence of sort of and there is evidence of sort of individualised interventions like that might be able to help. but what this is, is what the pubuc but what this is, is what the public health lobby is trying do here is actually what's been on the agenda for a long time is to tax and ban things. that's really interesting say that because clips and a message in a lot of you have been getting in touch with your thoughts and says okay let's gambling says okay let's ban gambling smoking meat . well smoking eating meat. well they're trying actually working petrol, diesel get at that in if you have a gambling problem you do not go to any you go there if you're having a heart attack. that's what it says he plays it's not really what the should be kind of the what you be doing kind of on the what you were saying is a of like a were saying is a kind of like a social problem. lj says crack get arrested gambling establishments don't even get heavily taxed. they are both feeding addicts . and john says feeding addicts. and john says the ads. he says that those about gambling responsibly just the bookies reminding gamblers

that they are open for business isupposeif that they are open for business i suppose if you are gambling you might actually at it that way and says hang on a minute well is the nhs running gambling clinics gladdened , the gambling clinics gladdened, the gambling companies make a lot of money , companies make a lot of money, so they paying for so why aren't they paying for them should a condition them it? should be a condition of operating in the uk. i think you've got something angie. well it's the way bristol it's not the way bristol university that might university says that it might change several change the name to several buildings their links buildings due to their links with. the way next do with. that's on the way next do don't miss it monday thursday on gb news bev turner. today from 10 am. we're going to be here for you gb news family to keep up to date but also make you smile. the guy went from puberty to and i can't wait to bring a few of my own opinion. i have no time for cultural totalitarianism . we'll engage time for cultural totalitarianism .we'll engage in totalitarianism. we'll engage in passionate but always polite with your thoughts and opinions at the centre this whole monday to thursday pencil 12 on tv on radio and online .

if you just us this is dewbs& co with me at nine a quare where live on gb news on tv online and on digital radio. joining me through till former brexit party mep michael heaver, mr. sociologist at swansea university, ashley fall we now know what content with tossing some of this torches into the harbour city. bristol is thinking but all ways of writing slavery of its history now the universities considering changing the name of seven building named after the family of henry overton wills , the of henry overton wills, the third who donated the money , third who donated the money, found the institution back the early 20th century. but the university authorities say that much of his fortune originally from tobacco plantations , worked from tobacco plantations, worked by slaves . so is from tobacco plantations, worked by slaves. so is this going to make bristol safer, happier place to live ? no but it will

place to live? no but it will make some people feel very good about themselves and. the whole industry that's associated with these sorts of things, this whole trauma industry. i'm very happy. you know, there's it's this this idea. happy. you know, there's it's this this idea . this is all this this idea. this is all about making on the past. you know, it's about and reconciliation . and what it does reconciliation. and what it does is it transform those present problems into that are all just rooted in the past and all we have to do is come together and heal have to do is come together and heal. and guess what? i can help you with that for just 1999 you can buy my book or you your institution can buy my package and get all of your employees to get rid of their white supremacy. right. white ideas . supremacy. right. white ideas. and it's just this huge racket that's that that's all that this that's that that's all that this that is. and what really irks me is that this is really big in canada, where i'm from. i'm i'm indigenous canadian, obviously mixed with white. and this is huge. it'sjust mixed with white. and this is huge. it's just this op for justin trudeau to sort of say oh all the problems that indigenous people have they're all in the

past and that was the bad old state, the good old the good state. now it's very sorry for everything and all the problems that you have there because you're traumatised and what you needis you're traumatised and what you need is not i know, drinking water like a lot of reservations when i'm drinking water, good jobs. now you don't need that . jobs. now you don't need that. what is therapeutic what you need is therapeutic heaung what you need is therapeutic healing because you're so damaged and it's incredibly racist . they claim that we're racist. they claim that we're all psychologically and that's the reason why we have problems . and is any surprise that . and is it any surprise that they're taking away? huge numbers of children, indigenous children, to children, which was supposed to be thing that the be the bad the thing that the bad state doing. so what bad old state was doing. so what this it makes people feel this does it makes people feel good about themselves. it provides op, but it provides a photo op, but it constructs people, constructs indigenous people, black , ethnic minorities black people, ethnic minorities as , victims, victims of the past as, victims, victims of the past and ever. it shall be . i think and ever. it shall be. i think perhaps it's got something to do . this therapy generation . . this therapy generation. everyone needs therapy for something. and when you go back into therapy, go back into into therapy, you go back into past out reason you past and find out the reason you were all the way are is because of what happened to you in the

past. look, i'm fine. and as with all this slavery with regard to all this slavery nonsense, are. nonsense, i mean, we are. anyway, look, got mobile, anyway, look, we've got mobile, the that we're wearing, the clothes that we're wearing, everything mined the clothes that we're wearing, eveslaves] mined the clothes that we're wearing, eveslaves to mined the clothes that we're wearing, eveslaves to us. mined the clothes that we're wearing, eveslaves to us. by mined the clothes that we're wearing, eveslaves to us. by slaves, mined by slaves to us. by slaves, while people looking ahead of what actually why what they're actually now, why they're concerned they're so concerned with the past find stuff like past. yeah, i find stuff like this incredibly pure. i'll do juvenile, crass virtue signalling. i mean, if they are serious of course they should presumably deny all the money back have found these . if they back have found these. if they really are actually serious about it. oh, no, no. let's just change the name instead. well a statement. how brave . you know, statement. how brave. you know, i just find it very , very well. i just find it very, very well. just very pathetic. really and i think actually constantly it's negativity is what surrounds these debates. why not celebrate these debates. why not celebrate the fact the leading role this played in ending the slave trade the royal navy out there fighting this is the slave trade playing a role in doing that it just seems to me that our

institutions i'm sorry say many of our universities seem to be pretty unpatrolled tech they seem to exist a sort of far left sort of thought or group bubble where they're actually in touch , the country at large . this , the country at large. this echo chamber is pretty concerning considering these are supposed to be the institutions empowering students with critical thinking, which of course to look at the good at, the bad, at different arguments and make their own judgements. and of course when you look at any country's history and heritage there are things to be proud of , there are things, of proud of, there are things, of course, that we regret. but this is history and it's about learning and moving forward positive way. they're very selective about bits that they learn. i mean, this henry was guy lee. he was he was born five years after slavery. oh, before was abolished. so he wasn't even really he didn't have much more to do with his family the family that actually you work with in a university is this woke culture

there where you are. is this nonsense going on and aren't these students going, we must all links to slavery whilst holding their mobile phones and tapping into their laptops? is that what me ? interestingly, no that what me? interestingly, no . students tend to be really open minded and. i try to teach you all sides. i do teach this sort of thing because they do need to know about it. they need to understand what's happening. sort of culture wars. and i try my best to give many different sides of these debates so that they up their own minds they can make up their own minds and receptive to and they are very receptive to it. that this management team it. i that this management team thatis it. i that this management team that is very board with that is very on board with things and they claim students are was are demanding this and it was really someone came to me really funny someone came to me i shouldn't this, i probably shouldn't say this, but me and they but someone came to me and they said, it's very important that we decolonise curriculum. and i was just want to point was like, i just want to point out situation right out that of this situation right now , like a british lady here now, like a british lady here telling me, an indigenous person , canada, i need to decolonise for who? for my good so i can decide for myself. i need to teach. what does that even and

how do the yourself i mean , even how do the yourself i mean, even even the street that somebody be living in may have a name that's interesting. maybe the clothes that you i mean now slavery is happening now is happening more now than probably it ever was andifs now than probably it ever was and it's not just to do with race this time doesn't. matter what colour you are, you could be there's lots of europeans . be there's lots of europeans. there are lots of people in we know about the weak muslims more than carry on buying than happy to carry on buying stuff the world is happy to stuff from the world is happy to buy from them but yet there seem to be virtuous minority who to be this virtuous minority who want enough. funnily want to without enough. funnily enough , one of most the only enough, one of the most the only successful slave revolt in history happened in haiti , and history happened in haiti, and they were inspired . the ideals they were inspired. the ideals of the enlightenment . white men of the enlightenment. white men . and they forced france to live up to their own ideals . you up to their own ideals. you believe in equality? well, i am a man. i should also be equal. and i think decolonise ation often means is removing dead white men from the curriculum instead making and forcing

ideals to become reality for. everyone, and if they could only the history correctly as well. because there's a talking about removing links to slavery there was one very interesting piece where. this this woman, this guy thought gotcha moment thought he had a gotcha moment because black talking to because he's black is talking to a lady and she said well a white lady and she said well actually and know this for actually and i know this for a fact that of the african fact that a lot of the african so that people to become slaves so that people to become slaves so if you really want the reparations you need back reparations you need to go back perhaps if the africans will perhaps see if the africans will give because i know give them to you because i know in like ghana and so and in places like ghana and so and so forth, they sold their people to become slaves. but you've been thoughts been sending in your thoughts as well. has just just well. and j.w. has just just happened, having just happened, having after having a building named after a certain doesn't mean that having a building named after a cert endorse doesn't mean that having a building named after a cert endorse them.;n't mean that having a building named after a cert endorse them. the mean that having a building named after a cert endorse them. the court that having a building named after a cert endorse them. the court was you endorse them. the court was at not jailing rioters at fault for not jailing rioters for the colston event. i kind of agree with you that i mean, that's just criminal damage in my i wish these my view. michael i wish these people would grow up. students are still happy to go to university but take the subsidy history confers hypocrisy at best sad a small minded people a as it says what about the modern

day slaves young kids mining lithium to go your batteries for electric cars and things which you know what these people would say but are saving the environment who's environment no one says is anyone alive today was involved slavery. stop was involved in slavery. stop dividing , stop the woke array is dividing, stop the woke array is again says instead changing the names of the buildings that may have been built with slave money. if really believe that there so bad they should pull there so bad they should pull the buildings down. but of course they will not as they will not pull it they will not as this will mean that would have not have a university or things that would be built with slavery money. do us a favour and pull lot down. well, and pull the lot down. well, listen with me because on the way he's still making headlines even office. yes. you've even after office. yes. you've got right. boris johnson. even after office. yes. you've got right. borisjohnson. he paints fellow european leaders in a less than light that is the way .

good evening. if you just didn't have you been you've missed most of the show but don't why nigel farage is on the way. stay tuned. i'm nana akua. this is james kerr joining me throughout the evening until 7:00. former brexit mep michael heaver brexit party mep michael heaver was a sociologist at swansea university. ashley frawley now we were talking about things slavery. you've been sending in your thoughts as well. we want more for you, phillip says. how your thoughts as well. we want mo back you, phillip says. how your thoughts as well. we want mo back in»u, phillip says. how your thoughts as well. we want mo back in history.ip says. how your thoughts as well. we want mo back in history are ays. how your thoughts as well. we want mo back in history are we. how far back in history are we supposed go? yes, the british were by the romans. a lot of our streets environments. so i'll fall to be go very good question also a lot the time i love also a lot of the time i love this left stuff we're this left wing stuff we're talking it. it seems be talking about it. it seems to be more towards wing in more towards the right wing in actual because those who actual fact because those who speak in that manner tend to believe hold moral high believe they hold the moral high ground. on ground. but let's move on because. former prime minister bofis because. former prime minister boris johnson launched boris johnson has launched a sensational attack on eu sensational attack on his eu counterparts over how they prepared the invasion of prepared for the invasion of ukraine. now speaking to cnn johnson said that the french

government were in denial before the attack. he also claimed the germans a quick russian victory . but the former prime minister also praised leaders for eventually stepping up to the mark. so shall not start with you. do you think it's fair, say that your parents didn't do enough to support ukraine the invasion ? i think the i it invasion? i think the i it caught everyone at least in europe off guard and i even intelligent people i remember that the word bluster was like the word of the month in february i thought well is going to invade invade ukraine. no it's just bluster is just bluster and it was very, very strange that no one really thought that anyone would risk such a conflict on the scale that it could come to. and i think definitely highly likely that europe was very on the prospect of ukrainian victory and just hoped for it to be oven and just hoped for it to be over. and they really underestimated the degree of desperation , both sides for desperation, both sides for access to markets, which i think is what this is. this is what

this is kind of really about that europe is kind of stuck in between here. and they they're just you know, it wasn't, for example profitable to american uquefied example profitable to american liquefied natural gas and suddenly now it is and so europe was completely unprepared for this and they are sort of caught in between and pretending that they have the moral high ground, but really well, but they never really did. well, despite fact that donald despite the fact that donald trump warn them trump actually warn them and say, he did it donald say, well, he did it donald trump warned us and look, your ad peace most of ad hoc to peace and most of those things, 60% of their natural brought natural gas was brought in through pipes coming through pipes that were coming through pipes that were coming through and of through ukraine actually. and of course, stream other course, nord stream the other one. so i'm surprised that they were caught by because they were warned this . this, you warned by this. but this, as you point out, mean, this of point out, i mean, this of denial with many eu has been going for a very long time going on for a very long time now i think the reality is now and i think the reality is and you're absolutely right to point when the then us point out when the then us president, trump pointed president, donald trump pointed this the germans and said this out to the germans and said this out to the germans and said this bad move, you'll this is a very bad move, you'll think called germany think actually called germany delinquent, i think was his actual they actual terminology. they basically think basically lost them. and i think what you is that some

what it shows you is that some elite ears are sort stuck in an orthodoxy of thinking that, this sort of crisis, this invasion wouldn't happen. and indeed, they refused to believe the insane position that they put themselves in in terms of russian energy being reliant . of russian energy being reliant. of course, don't forget, that was about to ramp up . nord stream about to ramp up. nord stream two was close to ramping up which would have actually and as i it would have allowed some of the pipelines to bypass ukraine, which some now believe was the true from the russian side to get nord stream two and firing so . i think when you look what so. i think when you look what donald trump said he was absolutely spot i think is absolutely spot i think is absolutely clear back and looking at those clips as i said of the german delegate delegation believe it was basically laughing his face. how ill advised and totally clueless. they proven to be. and i must, you know, angela merkel's legacy as chancellor of germany is been severely, severely dented by what we've seen transpire recently. she

also made a bit of a mess. the whole migration crisis as. also made a bit of a mess. the whole migration crisis as . well, whole migration crisis as. well, just a bit. yes, of that. but mean so far, i mean, we've committed about mean so far, i mean, we've committed about £23 billion and we've promised double that to sort that in next year sort of mirror that in next year as well. so we're we're carrying on with this money to on with giving this money to ukraine. i'm sort of looking ukraine. but i'm sort of looking at thinking they were at it and thinking they were hoping i'd over quite hoping that i'd be over quite quickly this thought quickly because this thought be done dusted. they could done and dusted. then they could probably get on with buying their gas of russia their natural gas of russia looking and thinking to looking at this and thinking to where we carry on pumping where now do we carry on pumping money isn't that money into this? this isn't that just story of war? oh, don't just a story of war? oh, don't worry. over soon. and worry. it'll be over soon. and it seem they have it doesn't seem to be. they have a tendency to drag think a tendency to drag on. i think part of issue, too, is that part of the issue, too, is that has put itself into a very precarious position with not investing sufficiently in realistic forms of energy production like . gas like production like. gas like nuclear or germany, even decommissioning its nuclear power plants, which is absolutely insane. and i think now we're in a very sort of back for the position where we to quickly develop new forms of

energy production that aren't going to come online for a long time. and then you have a whole movement trying to stop , you movement trying to stop, you know, oil stop and sort of rely on renewables is just not realistic. so this can drag on because the root it which is fighting over energy is a that we have not dealt with and we're of refusing to seriously deal still and we're bankrupting now to head towards net zero which will actually be the sum in all our bank accounts by the time they've got this on. well listen a lot you've been getting in touch with thoughts all the touch with your thoughts all the subjects we've been discussing, margaret , well, i said margaret says, well, i said a lot of words today that nothing. priti patel point zero. julie said, who is funding the rnli to pick these migrants daily. surely it's not from the charitable donations that people make. they says this about the government these days. the government these days. the government doesn't want to stop . we're talking about migration .we're talking about migration already talking about visas for more and more cheap labour. and patricia says with regard to the

we were talking about gambling. she says that we are not social workers of the world least stop them last week and would let them last week and would let them disembarks talking about migration. listen you've been sending thoughts sending in all your thoughts thank does thank you so much. does that mean a huge thank you to my panel mean a huge thank you to my panel, michael heaver. thank you so michael. also so much, michael. and also ashley crawley. now nigel farage so much, michael. and also ashlbe crawley. now nigel farage so much, michael. and also ashlbe uleey. now nigel farage so much, michael. and also ashlbe up us y. now nigel farage so much, michael. and also ashlbe up us atnow nigel farage so much, michael. and also ashlbe up us at 7:00.iigel farage so much, michael. and also ashlbe up us at 7:00. let'sfarage so much, michael. and also ashlbe up us at 7:00. let's goage will be up us at 7:00. let's go straight to now, niger. what's coming up on your show ? thank coming up on your show? thank you very much. what is housing ? you very much. what is housing? you see, the honeymoon is over as 50 tory meps rebel against the prime minister rebel against central government housing targets. and yet we a major housing crisis in this country. what's right thing to do? are central government targets the right way forward. that's my big debate tonight. that and many other things. but first, let's get the all important weather . get the all important weather. evening, alex deakin with your latest weather update from the met office. another spell of heavy to come tomorrow won't last. all that long, but intense

and gusty winds could cause a bit of disruption. so we do have a metaphor . bit of disruption. so we do have a metaphor. warnings in place going being created that wet and windy weather tomorrow . this windy weather tomorrow. this area low pressure that's area of low pressure that's tracking towards this one brought to a wet start many through wednesday . rain is still through wednesday. rain is still lingering in shetland where it's also pretty blustery. elsewhere got a lot of showers this evening for and south—west england hail and thunder england some hail and thunder mixed they slowly fade we'll mixed in they slowly fade we'll keep some in western scotland overnight many places will become dry of a breeze to stop too much of a. temperatures dipping to 4 to 6 degrees in most urban areas. so a fresh but bright starts to thursday. quite a bit of sunshine around early doors and much of the east will stay fine through the day but here comes that weather system spell of heavy rain crossing northern gusty winds through the irish sea particular the met office warning for here and a wind and warning in place for wales and england as this band of rain marches in, it could cause some further disrupt . and cause some further disrupt. and of it has been very wet of course it has been very wet behind it. bright spells

showers. much of eastern england will dry until dusk when that will be dry until dusk when that rain will finally march in and against this pretty intense particular across the southeast . so further disruption here especially with a lot of spray and surface during the evening rush hour does tend to zip away as get thursday evening as we get thursday evening showers again follow on behind with some clear spells but the showers are easing as we go into friday. there will still be some dunng friday. there will still be some during friday, particularly for western scotland, northern ireland scattering for northwest , but for a good part of the country . friday is looking like country. friday is looking like a dry and a bright. the winds won't be as strong and most places will dodge the showers and have some spells of sunshine. temperature wise about average for the time of year nine, ten, 11, maybe 12 or 13 across the south, more on those weather warnings on the met office .

good evening. the sunak is over as 50 backbench tory mps against centralised planning targets for houses around the country. is it right that central should make these decisions ? if it isn't, these decisions? if it isn't, how do we solve massive problem? the home secretary today admits we are failing in with the cross channel migrant dinghy problem . channel migrant dinghy problem. we have a very emotive report about the plight of the homeless in blackpool and talked some brave hoteliers who turned down big the home office . big money from the home office. and joining me on talking pints, peter journalist peter whitley has a journalist and broadcast but also a and author broadcast but also a member of the london assembly. we're going to try and find out tonight what earth