good evening. the sunak is over as 50 backbench tory mps against centralised planning targets for houses around the country. is it right that central should make these decisions .7 if it isn't, these decisions? if it isn't, how do we solve massive problem? the home secretary today admits we are failing in with the cross channel migrant dinghy problem . channel migrant dinghy problem. we have a very emotive report about the plight of the homeless in blackpool and talked some brave hoteliers who turned down big the home office . big money from the home office. and joining me on talking pints, peter journalist peter whitley has a journalist and broadcast but also a and author broadcast but also a member of the london assembly. we're going to try and find out tonight what earth do all do

there. but before all of that, let's get the news with bethany elsey . nigel, let's get the news with bethany elsey. nigel, thank you. your top story on gb news this evening. scotland's first minister says the next general will act as a de facto referendum. it's the uk government won a legal in the supreme court preventing a second independence vote. nicola has accused westminster of blocking scotland's voice from being heard. she says a special snp conference will be held next year to determine a way a so—called partner ship in which one partner is denied the right to choose a different future. but even to ask itself the question cannot be described in way as voluntary or even a partnership at all. the home has admitted the government failed to control the uk's borders amid record of channel migrant

crossings this year. giving evidence a parliamentary hearing suella braverman struggled to explain the legal routes asylum seekers could use to come to the uk. she blamed the migrants themselves for overcrowding . the themselves for overcrowding. the manston processing centre in kent, where at its peak earlier this month 4000 were being held. i'll tell who's at fault. yeah, it's very who is. it's the people who are breaking our rules coming here illegally , rules coming here illegally, exploiting vulnerable people and to abuse the generosity , the to abuse the generosity, the british people, that's who's kind . while some homeless people kind. while some homeless people have accused the government prioritising illegal migrants over their welfare, more 300 mostly male asylum have been staying at the metropol hotel on blackpool's seafront for the past year. a homeless group in the city which includes an armed forces veteran , have been forces veteran, have been speaking to gb news. they say they're living on rough streets . while channel migrants put up

in a nearby hotel. it's . while channel migrants put up in a nearby hotel . it's wrong in a nearby hotel. it's wrong because . you're looking at the because. you're looking at the real homeless. they are . and real homeless. they are. and with them putting them in their and then leave, you know on the streets it's wrong in other news, the prime minister has appointed a senior to investigate bullying claims against the deputy prime. dominic raab requested independent inquiry after two formal complaints made against him. he says confident he'll be cleared of any wrongdoing. adam turley casey, who specialises in commercial and employment law , commercial and employment law, will lead the investigation . and will lead the investigation. and ukraine's president will address the united nations security council in urgent meeting today following russia's missile strikes on key infrastructure. it says the entire kyiv region has been left without power and water . with half of has been left without power and water. with half of neighbouring moldova also experiencing a blackout . in southeastern blackout. in southeastern ukraine a newborn baby was

killed in a missile strike that hit a maternity hospital. the two story building was reduced rubble and rescue workers could be seen sifting through the debns be seen sifting through the debris trying to find survivors . europe it's on tv online and dab radio. this is gb news. now let's get back to pharrell . let's get back to pharrell. good evening . well, i could have good evening. well, i could have covered the scottish story tonight. i could have covered the fact that the supreme upheld the fact that the supreme upheld the law of the land, which that the law of the land, which that the scots can't have another without the approval of central government. and the of parliament. but i'm not going to bother because it's boring by go on how they reject the once in a lifetime 2014 referenda in scotland. oh and for that matter they reject brexit referendum too. there isn't going to be a referendum in scotland for years

to come . they will not be to come. they will not be separating from the uk. but an issue that is very live . indeed, issue that is very live. indeed, 50 backbench tory mps last night rebelled against the government. they rebelled against central planning targets for housing . planning targets for housing. the government wants to build 300,000 new homes a year. now this , argument about a shortage this, argument about a shortage housing about the fact we've got generation , about the fact that generation, about the fact that our prices are so high for housing, although of course artificially low interest rates have played their part in that. there's nothing new in this and remember in 2015 during the leaders debates against those giants of modern times like nicholas sturgeon and nick ed miliband and david, i remember arguing that actually one of the reasons we had a problem is we had an open door immigration policy. no idea how the population was going to expand , population was going to expand, therefore couldn't plan. but no, no, no i was wrong. completely wrong. have nothing to do with the housing . according to our the housing. according to our political class then and now. but think about this since .

but think about this since. david cameron became prime minister in ten. the british population has increased by 4 million. 4 million just to cope with immigration alone . we need with immigration alone. we need to build a new dwelling every 5 minutes, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days, every . so days a week, 365 days, every. so much of this of these tory mps who are actually well, they should know it's their that has caused much of this problem . if caused much of this problem. if we have central government telling to telling elected local government how many houses they have to in that area. well kind of what's the point of voting for a district council according council or a unitary authority? what does that do to any concept of local democracy ? and i get of local democracy? and i get it. i understand it. you know, i live in greenbelt. it's been

fiercely protect it since the late 1940s. and frankly nothing much in the around me has changed. i rather like it like that. although we get a lot of tourists at the weekends and a lot of cyclists. so i understand people not wanting big development on their doorstep . i development on their doorstep. i have to say if i been a tory mp, i probably would have joined the rebels last . what you think rebels last. what you think about central government targets 7 about central government targets ? now having said all of that, farage's gb news uk please as well. you can register view. having said all of that we have a massive problem. matthew leitch, director of public policy at the institute of economic affairs, ireland . as economic affairs, ireland. as i say, i live in a north down's green and pleasant land, and i want more people. the roads are very narrow and people feel that all over the country . but even all over the country. but even have to admit there is a problem that a real problem. you look i absolutely detest housing . i absolutely detest housing. i think the idea of telling people in a local area, how much

allowed to build based upon some kind of central government dictate an absolutely terrible way to design a housing . but way to design a housing. but unfortunately, we have soviet style planning system that fundamentally broken, that is failing to deliver anywhere enough housing to offer our needsis enough housing to offer our needs is pushing up extremely high house prices that now on average , nine times higher than average, nine times higher than earnings. we have a generation of young people locked out of the housing market. and i just think it's deeply irresponsible, wicked to rid of the only wicked to get rid of the only parts . the planning system that parts. the planning system that actually house without actually encourage house without proposing . nobody proposing an alternative. nobody wants this system of targets . wants this system of targets. but if don't put forward but if you don't put forward a meaningful alternative to get housing you basically housing built then you basically betraying next generation betraying the next generation potential homeowners. one of the arguments that's been consistently over the years is there are lots and lots of brownfield sites, lots and lots of empty buildings that actually there are lots of places in urban areas we could build. the other arguments being put to me is that london actually has some

of the lowest density housing in terms of you know, we tend to have to houses in the suburbs are not and that actually do we need build on our great and pleasant land couldn't our cities cope with more people? i think we should absolutely put more people in, our cities. and in fact, if you look at london, about half of london is just one or two storeys, one that is not a particularly dense city, international standards. we should specifically should the planning specifically london put a lot more london and put a lot more housing into london and do that with local consent and local control . i agree with you 100, control. i agree with you 100, but that's not what rebels but that's not what these rebels are proposing. not are proposing. they're not saying, forward an saying, let's put forward an amendment build lots amendment to build lots of housing saying they're housing lunch saying no. they're just i spoke to a just saying and i spoke to a town planner evening and town planner this evening and they said there's only two things that encourage things that actually encourage local councils to build houses. it's targets and it's the it's the targets and it's the presumption in favour of sustainable development. those are they're are the two things that they're getting to some getting rid of now, to some estimates, could mean estimates, that could mean 80,000 houses a year. now 80,000 fewer houses a year. now we houses each . we we way more houses each. we don't need less and less . we don't need less and less. we need to be able to fix this problem. can't rush in with

problem. can't just rush in with these . now, the these solutions. now, the practical i think practical effect here, i think of it's going to be it's of this so it's going to be it's really going hurt the small really going to hurt the small to house builders to medium size house builders and builders . and the big hospital builders. they permissions, they have they have permissions, they have land, lobbyists. land, they have lobbyists. they can with but we're can deal with that. but we're going recession right now going into a recession right now and smaller house are and those smaller house are going really struggle to get going to really struggle to get the of permissions to be the kind of permissions to be involved the housing market. involved in the housing market. matthew, you a free market think tank, obviously hate the idea of soviet style . you describe them soviet style. you describe them central targets being imposed upon local democracy and that point is rather important. but if we leave it to, local councils, even we incentivise local . the chances are those local. the chances are those houses won't get built. so what do we do? look, i think a whole lot of interesting solutions facing to flip around the incentives and which a local community gets a lot more benefits . you know, if there's benefits. you know, if there's a house being built in your area, maybe there's a bigger investment. in the investment. hospitals in the schools giving schools and the roads giving people votes their streets to people votes on their streets to be to decide the kind of be able to decide the kind of level could have a

level of could have a particularly impact, particularly big impact, particularly big impact, particularly there's particularly in cities. there's a of different a whole bunch of different reforms could reforms that governments could do the uplift do to councils to get the uplift in benefit. if there is local land sales . there are very land sales. there are very creative ideas to try to fix problem which is which is and reasonable. if you look how many, you have no particular incentive to want more people in your community and that's something that's completely rational you to oppose more housebuilding. i'd do though at the same time have to the same time we have to remember conservative party the same time we have to re going er conservative party the same time we have to re going to conservative party the same time we have to re going to sustain rvative party the same time we have to re going to sustain itselfe party the same time we have to re going to sustain itself in arty is going to sustain itself in the future, people have to have something conserve. if people something to conserve. if people don't access to don't have access to homeownership, you're really going a of the young going to a lot of the young people. if you look at a recent poll that said amongst 18 to 24 year olds, just 5% of people would vote conservative. now thatis would vote conservative. now that is extinction event for the conservative party . and i think conservative party. and i think young people have right to be frustrated if they can't get on the housing ladder. matthew large, powerful, emotive arguments . actually, truth is arguments. actually, truth is powerful arguments on both sides this debate. but i repeat point the populations under the tories

by 4 million. we need to build a new house every 5 minutes just to meet demand. and by the way. i haven't plucked these figures out of the air i got them from migration watch today. they are fresh up to date figures. they are will not be are correct will not be challenged . now i said at the challenged. now i said at the top, i the sunak honeymoon is over already a rebellion of 50 backbench mp is pretty big with joining me conservative from oxbridge rim abraham . he was on oxbridge rim abraham. he was on our program the other week and she's a bit of a rising star in media. i've seen your columns in sunday papers. the honeymoon is oven sunday papers. the honeymoon is over. am i wrong? i think you're quite to think the quite to think that the honeymoon never actually starts , that rishi , though i think that rishi sunak's this initial sunak's sort of this initial blip , the polls where we sort of blip, the polls where we sort of saw people actually that maybe he get the economy back on he will get the economy back on track. but we've seen is essentially a labour a good budget and when it comes to this housing issue, i think it's really divisive issue within the conservative. we've now sort of got we to the leadership

got we look to the leadership election. saw two very election. we saw two very different definitions of what conservatism had these conservatism is. we had these sort marketeers, a liz sort of free marketeers, a liz truss, a knights and you truss, a knights and then you had the rishi sunak's. sort had the rishi sunak's. he sort of you know, rise of thought, you know, tax rise isn't all the right isn't tax rises all the right way go the short term? what way to go the short term? what happened? the end of the party members wanted liz truss members wanted what. liz truss wanted. seeing this wanted. now we're seeing this sort division sort of ideological division within to complete within party to the complete split and. that's why i think that what we're seeing is people on the party seem to be on left of the party seem to be winning. they're on left of the party seem to be winning.they're control. winning. they're in control. i mean, a coup, mean, there's been a coup, frankly. the i frankly. that's the way that i view. but the point that matthew leitch makes and it is a very point is that look you know, i've made point our i've made the point our population exploding. population is exploding. immigration main reason immigration is the main reason for hey, we are where we for it. but hey, we are where we are not built houses are we have not built houses year after year year to cope with the rising population. his point . 18 to with the rising population. his point. 18 to 20 with the rising population. his point . 18 to 20 fours. only a point. 18 to 20 fours. only a tiny of people currently want to vote conservative. his argument is they don't own . they have is they don't own. they have nothing to conserve. we do have to somehow find affordable housing for younger. you're

absolutely right. i think that matthew makes a fantastic point. these sort young, frustrated people like myself that can't get on the property ladder. i mean, it's tragic. and it really means that actually we don't feel as though we have a future in this country, because if we can't to the proper asylum, in this country, because if we cancan't to the proper asylum, in this country, because if we cancan't do the proper asylum, in this country, because if we cancan't do anything. asylum, in this country, because if we cancan't do anything. we're m, in this country, because if we cancan't do anything. we're not we can't do anything. we're not in property sort of in this property sort of populating thatcher in this property sort of pop|thisng thatcher in this property sort of pop|this vision, thatcher in this property sort of pop|this vision, and thatcher in this property sort of pop|this vision, and this hatcher in this property sort of pop|this vision, and this istcher in this property sort of pop|this vision, and this is why had this vision, and this is why a lot of young people did vote margaret thatcher in the eighties had eighties because she sort of had this vision a property owning this vision of a property owning democracy no democracy where everybody, no matter they matter who they were, where they came able to own came from, were able to own their home. that is their own home. that vision is dead, and it means that actually a result of it, young people don't need to vote don't feel the need to vote conservative. there is conservative. there is there is an alternative. go. an alternative. but to go. i completely get the point. so what do we if we don't like central? because the iea say it's fine we don't it's the soviet fine so we don't like know the local council in surrey told build 9000 houses a year but the local council in surrey are willing to do it because of local resident objections. problem objections. the problem gets worse, better. do we worse, not better. what do we do? does. i think need to do? it does. i think we need to have complete institution have a complete institution reform it comes the reform when it comes to the housing housing regulations

housing and housing regulations right at the moment. what seeing is got this huge amount of is we've got this huge amount of space greenbelt that is space on the greenbelt that is just being touched. is just not being touched. this is something be fair to something that to be fair to her, she would her, liz truss, that she would change. i think i seriously about we just built 3.7% about if we just built in 3.7% of greenbelt, we'd be able of the greenbelt, we'd be able to 1 million that to build 1 million homes. that is astronomical. we think is astronomical. when we think about bigger picture here in about the bigger picture here in the think what we the future, and i think what we need actually do i you need to actually do and i you might think of the of might think of the sort of environmental of the environmental of a lot of the green is, actually green a green belt is, actually green a little it tends be sort of little bit. it tends be sort of unused car parks in various different areas the green all different areas of the green all green. entire sort of green. so this entire sort of contribution local contribution to the local residents oppose the residents will oppose it. the local oppose it, remove local mp will oppose it, remove you for coming in. it's interesting, isn't it? i mean, a young conservative activist, her own government socialist . own government as socialist. they really in an awful lot they really are in an awful lot of trouble. won't make of trouble. i won't make a prediction which coming next general there will be general election there will be no solution to this. what so ever. no solution to this. what so ever . in a no solution to this. what so ever. in a moment, we'll look at home secretary talking to the home secretary talking to the home committee in parliament today. and admitting openly and publicly the extent to which the

government are failing to deal with the cross—channel emergency . all of that in a couple of minutes, monday, thursday on, gb news. it's bev turner today from 10 am. we're going to be here for you. itv news, to keep you up to date but also make you smile . the guy went from puberty smile. the guy went from puberty to adultery and i can't wait to bnng to adultery and i can't wait to bring a few of my own opinions. ihave bring a few of my own opinions. i have no time for. cultural totalitarianism. we engage in passionate , but always polite passionate, but always polite debates with your thoughts and opinions at the centre of this whole monday , thursday, 10 to 12 whole monday, thursday, 10 to 12 on tv, on radio .

and so what to do about this housing conundrum , some of your thoughts conundrum, some of your thoughts coming in, john says no to central authority. you know

direction dictate let local authorities is and their keep just it mandatory they do allow set quotas but let them pick up where well that's not too dissimilar from central quotas really none of us has no because i will it'll be where they're friends want to build. that's rather a hint i think at the big companies that might want to lots of houses might be friendly . the tory party and judi says no they shouldn't, especially on all this green land we it will ruin places . julie undoubtedly , ruin places. julie undoubtedly, it will ruin places. but where are the younger generation going to live? it is a heck of a difficult problem. no one's grasped for a very, very long time . now i'm secretary suella time. now i'm secretary suella braverman today was before the home affairs select committee and it actually is quite isn't it sometimes to see a senior government minister admit it isn't going to plan this is whatsoever said earlier on today

which is pretty empty putting more and tells because we are the home office has failed to control borders and is not fit purpose at the moment. well, we have failed to control our borders. yes. and that's why the prime minister and myself are determined to fix this problem. well very open, honest admission. there in response to lee anderson's question that. we are failing. we have failed on resentment. is i showed you last night some film of protests taking place in dublin. my has been to blackpool to look at the plight of the homeless in that town and how they feel about migrants moving into smart hotels on. blackpool seafront like the metropole a very powerful very emotive package . powerful very emotive package. it's illuminations season blackpool but amidst the bright lights there's darker side to

this tourist town down at street in the shadows are blackpool's forgotten the homeless , the forgotten the homeless, the vulnerable are growing resentful . as one of the town's historic hotels plays host to than 300 channel migrants just yards from where, they are forced to sleep on the streets . i'm invisible . i on the streets. i'm invisible. i am literally invisible . people am literally invisible. people walk past . they don't even see , walk past. they don't even see, you know sketch has been sleeping rough in blackpool for months . his sleeping rough in blackpool for months. his story sums up the absurdity of the channel migrant crisis will serve only stoke. the anger felt by many in sight. this hotel mainly men who paid christmas gangs to cross the channel illegally while life for sketch and friend cars . an army sketch and friend cars. an army veteran seems unbearably

miserable . with post—traumatic miserable. with post—traumatic stress. his downward spiral will eventually left scars on the streets. he didn't want to talk on camera , but sketch sums up on camera, but sketch sums up the anger they all feel at what they see , the injustice of their they see, the injustice of their treatment in stark contrast to, the migrants nearby . it's wrong the migrants nearby. it's wrong because you're looking the real homeless are and with them putting them in there and then leave you know on the streets it's wrong with 50,000 hotel and bed and breakfast across blackpool , it's an bed and breakfast across blackpool, it's an obvious target for home contractors looking for more asylum seeker accommodation . indeed, the group accommodation. indeed, the group unked accommodation. indeed, the group linked to this hotel and four others in blackpool confirmed to us they've been approached and offered a large sum of money by a company looking to acquire three hotels in the area for migrant use . they've said no at

migrant use. they've said no at the moment , migrant use. they've said no at the moment, but the operations director admits the offer is tempting . the industry itself is tempting. the industry itself is extremely at the minute. so when something like that comes along where you're guaranteed a year and notice and you fall all the time and the rates that you're looking pay that, looking to pay for that, then i can see quite easily why it could be considered by some. the area's conservative mp says he'll on the front line . any he'll be on the front line. any protests against ? new migrant protests against? new migrant hotels . my inbox is already full hotels. my inbox is already full of people can't get the council house can't gets an nhs dentist gp appointment and the idea that you can locate 300 asylum seekers in the most deprived ward , which is where they are ward, which is where they are currently being hosted without that rapid support is complete. i'm not a madness. blackpool's forgotten are desperate for help . but as authorities here are forced to house growing numbers of asylum seekers set to and his companions, are it way down the list of priorities . it's hard

list of priorities. it's hard last night an elderly friend of ours fell ill and we the ambulance he was close to death and as resort heads into the winter months life for those living on its streets will only get harder. mark white gb news blackpool . well i don't know blackpool. well i don't know whether you agree with me, but i think it's quite distressing to see former army veterans the street clearly in real, real trouble . housing lists getting trouble. housing lists getting longer and longer. and a like the metropol , once a very famous the metropol, once a very famous hotel on blackpool seafront full of people who've recently young men who've recently crossed the engush men who've recently crossed the english channel. an interesting i thought that scott benson, the mp there in blackpool, said he'll be at the front of the protests . that i think he'll be at the front of the protests. that i think is he'll be at the front of the protests . that i think is where protests. that i think is where going. in a moment, we'll be joined by very brave man and from a hotel in skegness who turned down the big money. but first we go to ivan samson, a

friend. the programme immigration lawyer. well some honesty from suella braverman, but it seems to me we've just given another 3 million to the french. it's 220 million now since 2018, nothing changes . is since 2018, nothing changes. is anything getting better? no. nigel and you say it was refreshing that a minister honest to say that we got secure borders . but what you failed to borders. but what you failed to say is also that we don't have a plan. we have a strategy. we've don't have a efficient system in the home office to with this influx of applications. what we want to see the home office doing come up with a strategic plan to deal with those the channel to deal failed asylum seekers, to their applications quickly , humanely , but and also quickly, humanely, but and also to remove those people that don't aren't granted asylum .

don't aren't granted asylum. that's what we want to see. yes. i mean, the lack of a plan is clear crisis management. i completely get that. but when it comes to the point you raise about removing those who should not be here and there's quite a lot of albanians, in my opinion, that should been coming that should have been coming into via this into the country via this over the course last months. the course of the last months. but we run into our old friend outweigh the human rights act with incorporation east with the incorporation of east into british law and judges will rely on that again and again and again do we not need to change the architectural sort of structure of our relationship with isa, h.r, our relation ship with isa, h.r, our relation ship with the united nations declaration ? don't we need a declaration? don't we need a bigger, broader rethink about the shape of all this? i agree. look the isa is not the problem . it comes to asylum applications . it's very . it comes to asylum applications. it's very hard to rely that when you're a new and new person entering the uk . the new person entering the uk. the refugee convention are our membership of that needs to be

looked at. so this goes back to 1951. it does . that was the 1951. it does. that was the original sort of un definition of what a refugee is designed in a post—war world that had seen the holocaust just a few years before it. if we were to try and re—examine that with other countries in the un , join us. countries in the un, join us. i'm not interested . other i'm not interested. other countries. what we need to is to make sure that people coming to the uk are genuine asylum seekers . the refugee convention seekers. the refugee convention doesn't do that right wasn't designed for economic migrants. it wasn't designed for those entering uk from an area of conflict that was not intention of the convention. it designed for those people seeking refugee because of persecution. for one of the five refugee reasons. and so the vast majority in my view , actually don't fit within the convention . right. but it's so convention. right. but it's so loosely drafted it that the courts have upheld it over many,

many years. a world of seven years ago, as you say, the reasons now that are being claimed are different to the intention to begin with. ivan, final on this? i think final thought on this? i think they what you just said , is they what you just said, is there anyone in government listening this is listening to this? is this conversation happening in westminster every week , a westminster every day week, a month goes past? i'm waiting for a plan. i'm waiting for the strategy we haven't seen and i don't think they've got one. i think they're mumbling and hoping that at the moment the number of people coming across the is determined by. the weather. nigel. yes. yes, yes that's our biggest, best way to control it is actually the weather. as soon as you get some good weather, we've got no control of our borders and we'll never secure 80, 90 miles of french coastline. it's just simply impossible and calm days coming this friday. this saturday. ivan, it sounds like you better draw up a. i'm coming on very late here on gb news is because we're always pleased to hear from you thank you. now we know are over 300 hotels

know there are over 300 hotels all over the country that have now been filled up with who've crossed the english channel. why don't you brave hoteliers and it just one or two have turned down the money that was offered and i'm very very pleased to be joined tonight on this issue all the way from skegness from the hatters hotel by gary de allen. gary d, thank you very . just gary d, thank you very. just tell us, please , is how much tell us, please, is how much money you were offered. and i understand only been running that hotel for under a year. how money were you offered and what were your reasons for turning it down ? okay. we was offered down? okay. we was offered £132,000 every 13 weeks. so roughly just over half a million pounds a year. the reason we turned it down was because of our morals and beliefs . when we our morals and beliefs. when we bought this hotel, our morals and beliefs. when we bought this hotel , there wasn't bought this hotel, there wasn't any migrants or illegal immigrants in this town . and immigrants in this town. and within a year the whole scene is

changed . skegness is a seaside changed. skegness is a seaside resort and it's been a hub for tourism generations . and these tourism generations. and these people come here for the beach, the sea , arcades, donkey rides , the sea, arcades, donkey rides, amusement parks, etc. etc, and bringing many migrants into into this town is going to put tourism off. it'll become a ghost town. it'll become known as the refugee . well, your apps as the refugee. well, your apps right. but you know given how tough the hotel game given you've only been there since august of last year financially you've taken heck of a risk haven't you ? yeah, very as we haven't you? yeah, very as we could have. we have closed out the stipulation. what was the was to close the whole hotel down the bar, the restaurant, the rooms . we've got ten staff the rooms. we've got ten staff on site at the moment. we're down to one member of staff. we only exchanged the laundry once a week to provide basic meal. that was it . we just we would that was it. we just we would neven that was it. we just we would never, ever apart of the contribution of what is going

on, we just wouldn't we would rather lose everything , be able rather lose everything, be able to sleep at night knowing that we didn't contribute to . what's we didn't contribute to. what's going . on what can i say? can going. on what can i say? can save in the bottom my heart? gary and i think you are heroes. you've stood for your principles. you've stood up for your community. you've stood up for your staff, you've stood for tourism in skegness you are absolutely my heroes of the week. forget the england football team. you are the heroes of the week they've come in to skegness the next time i'm there i know where i'm coming to stay . thank you. both of you. i stay. thank you. both of you. i admire enormously about construction. well, thank . thank construction. well, thank. thank you. what an impressive couple. what impressive couple of people are still decent people in our country. in a moment, are still decent people in our country. in a moment , talk about country. in a moment, talk about liz truss. his resignation honours list. yes, she gets to send people to the house of lords. you simply couldn't make

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those watching this on television opposed to radio can see behind me the magnificent paul ellis of westminster and big back, looking at its very, very best. but the standing of the houses commons and the lords within that lovely building are not at level of respect. they used be. tony blair got rid of the hereditary peers. 192 stayed

on, but most of them hundreds of them went. what has been replaced by over the course of the last 25 years are long of friends prime ministers of donors of npp's mep hayes who frankly haven't done very much in life at all. but they all get kicked upstairs to the house of lords where. they go in and sign on for daily allowance, get a very nice subsidised lunch, but we can joke about it . truth is, we can joke about it. truth is, it's a very revising chamber plays a really important part of the legislation in this country. but the type of people that are being sent there, the cronyism from prime ministers has led, i believe , the house of lords to believe, the house of lords to fall into disrepute . we learned fall into disrepute. we learned that boris johnson's resignation honours will a 27 year old and a 30 year old. i mean, they're basically officers. junior officers who've done their jobs who are going to be given life peerages. and today it's been

confirmed that after 44 days as prime minister liz truss is able to submit a list of people to go to submit a list of people to go to the house of lords. no doubt there'll be party donors and friends up there too. maybe this is why keir starmer has chosen this moment to say it's time we stopped. the house of lords operating in this way. starmer is becoming increasingly a political opportunist . i have to political opportunist. i have to tell you, i've been calling for a total reform of the lords for many many years. if we had a referendum on whether the house of lords would stay the way is, i think what the answer i think i know what the answer would and another what the would be. and another what the farage moment. i mean, yesterday it was unbelievable. saudi arabia beating argentina in the cup. well, today, japan have beaten germany to and as we speak, canada are drawing nil nil against who are a pretty good. nil against who are a pretty good . so lots of first round good. so lots of first round shocks coming out this world cup. let's hope we hear no more of the politics, more of the

whingeing. if you take the world cup to an islamic country that operate it's a form of sharia law. don't be surprised. they banned beer . law. don't be surprised. they banned beer. they banned homosexuality . i banned beer. they banned homosexuality. i believe banned beer. they banned homosexuality . i believe women homosexuality. i believe women have a very different place in society. for most, that is how the islamic world works. we better just get used to it . better just get used to it. fingers crossed for england's game on friday night, 7:00. kick off against the usa. in a moment i'll be joined on talking pies by peter whittall. he's done many things in his career. he's been a journal a list, a broadcaster, an author , but a broadcaster, an author, but a member of the london assembly on taxpayers money . i want to know, taxpayers money. i want to know, what does that organisation , what does that organisation, what does that organisation, what are its members actually do? because i don't know the answer. i bet you don't .

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my favourite time of the day. it's talking pints i'm joined by peter will be the welcome. thank you, george . now we will get to you, george. now we will get to your taxpayer funded job at the london assembly. oh, i was before . don't worry. i was asked before. don't worry. i was asked this as an mep many, many times. yes but no, actually it is a slight mystery as to what it does and we'll get to that. but in terms of where you start off in terms of where you start off in all of this, you're basically a long time journalist working on tv programme . rams okay. on tv programme. rams okay. well, i mean , used to work in it well, i mean, used to work in it mostly in arts documentaries . mostly in arts documentaries. remember the southbank show with malcolm brogdon? yes. then boris out into arts journalism , out into arts journalism, criticism, cultural analysis arts. and i suppose it you know, that was a good 20 years, my very first job she was in the city during the whole kind of yuppie city during the whole kind of yuppie boom around the late, late eighties , but started the late eighties, but started the new culture , which is a think new culture, which is a think tank. new culture, which is a think tank . she visited a number of tank. she visited a number of times . she started out

tank. she visited a number of times. she started out in tank. she visited a number of times . she started out in 2006 times. she started out in 2006 and the idea really nice was , and the idea really nice was, you know, basically cultural issues were upstream of politics. and so just proved to be because i think they're the defining ones of our time. what is say cultural media in the broadest sense? you know, how did you i mean, as somebody who is, you know, with a small c on the more conservative side . yes. the more conservative side. yes. in terms of social thought and, you know, judeo—christian culture, that being the sort bedrock of our society and. you believe in all of these things quite strongly. how did you manage in the arts world here , manage in the arts world here, let alone in los angeles ? i let alone in los angeles? i mean, because i mean actually the arts and many people within the arts and many people within the arts. yes. have led much of the arts. yes. have led much of the i mean, i'm going to call it degeneration. yes. but seen in our society, you must have been a bit a loner. yes i was, actually. and i mean, it's one of the reasons i went back in when. we started like the ncf negative forum. i remember at the time. you got a sense that

the time. you got a sense that the kind of boundaries of what would accept bore to do programmes about to talk about to write about was sort of narrowing that was then i mean of course looking at it now , you of course looking at it now, you know when we're living in incredibly proscribe of time, it was actually quite mild . but was actually quite mild. but yes, of course the arts for want of a better expression take the whole establishment if you like a monolithic in their views. i mean do you remember at the time brexit the time had this letter from three room in paris you know actors actresses all the rest of it all saying this is a terrible idea , we want to the eu terrible idea, we want to the eu and remember one thing they said actually that we would see an impulse harassment of our create imagination if we left and you to think hello like dickens , you to think hello like dickens, you know, long before this thing was thought of . yeah they act as one

thought of. yeah they act as one and they're deeply intolerant of other views. exactly. and that is actually. no, it is really me is actually. no, it is really me is that they they are the cultural subject which has enormous power. i mean, you but and the arts council, of course, what they do , they see what they do, they see themselves as being the beacons of free speech. you know, they see themselves as being provocative, edgy. they are the very opposite of that. they are now the visual display unit for the political class . you know, the political class. you know, there's nothing that they disagree with. no. well, you know , clearly you're somebody know, clearly you're somebody that enjoys fighting against the odds and might be in a small minority. because you joined it was . i minority. because you joined it was. i decide minority. because you joined it was . i decide when it wasn't was. i decide when it wasn't that fashionable. no, no, it wasn't . i that fashionable. no, no, it wasn't. i remember member here i am with my wife, my white wine. yeah. and i remember when i stood for the mayoralty for ukip in london, we had this photoshoot in lenin hall in london and, the lamp, i guess ,

london and, the lamp, i guess, and i had my glass of wine and st george's day. yes, george and the press of the whipped it out of my hair and said no, no you can't , you know, was a white can't, you know, was a white light. really. yes. when you got elected, peter as it were, to ukip has got elected to the london assembly . we've been london assembly. we've been through wave after wave of devolution in this country, you know, with the scottish parliament welsh assembly that's now a parliament. the restructure sharing in northern ireland that was never opened . ireland that was never opened. stormont but a london assembly . stormont but a london assembly. and now, you know in the budget last week talking about mayors for southwark and goodness what else being serious when i else i am being serious when i say i'll bet you very people are watching or listening now have any what the london assembly does even if they live and vote in london . so there you were you in london. so there you were you know on a taxpayers salary of 4550 grand a year. i it was 55 i again working about two days a

week max. oh no we. didn't we know that . yeah. no, no we know know that. yeah. no, no we know because we were ukip and, we were a small that 72 of us and, you know, we were a novelty for them and so therefore actually worked pretty hard . the thing worked pretty hard. the thing i'll say about the assembly is that essentially if you are a small party, it is the most fantastic platform , which is one fantastic platform, which is one of the reasons why we went for it and that worked so good. no i get it from a ukip perspective . get it from a ukip perspective. you know, we were a challenger party a bit like me becoming an mep by nineties i get all that. but what does the london assembly, what is it called. they cost a lot of money. yes. what actually do. yeah. what does it actually do. yeah. no, i think throughout no, no i mean i think throughout my whole time the amount of times i had to explain to just people in london what it actually was, as you say i was all the time but what is it know you tell me it's a scrutinising body dare existence and i thought it what a waste of space

this body does it it's scrutinised smear was meant to so for example you see occasionally on the news although it to me less and less actually you will see us all sitting around with the man and when used to do it it was like being it was like a western. you would get a whole snaking line or less so sadiq khan , you know, or less so sadiq khan, you know, if it hadn't been for a school parties and i think it was of used to be quite empty but you give him questions you scrutinise him, but and where where i found it was personal purely personally interesting and useful was . he also get to and useful was. he also get to scrutinise, for example the chief commissioner of the met . chief commissioner of the met. so in my case that was bernard hogan and then chris take out should be off the top. yeah and so you i was on the police and crime committee there's a glorified talking shop with a expensive new building. you know i tell you, we've just been seeing actually on the news these select committees in

parliament, you know, it is like a very luxurious select committee . that's how i put . it committee. that's how i put. it sounds like a very good job. well i mean, frankly, i would say sort of endlessly frustrating, one, because there's no power you're scrutinising . yeah, there's no scrutinising. yeah, there's no power. no power. scrutinising. yeah, there's no power. no power . there's decay power. no power. there's decay power. no power. there's decay power. i mean, what quite recently and obviously we're thinking, what's the point of this? but then quite recently, the police and crime committee actually managed to get the mayor they summoned to manage to talk about his behaviour during the dick where the cressida dick thing where you know , that would to be you know, that would seem to be all survivors and. said, oh all survivors and. i said, oh well they finally saw well they actually finally saw doings. all right, how did you get over as a ukip, as get over mean as a ukip, as a cultural conservative, as somebody who believes in british history tradition and not smashing at the paces , how did smashing at the paces, how did you get over sadiq? how well, the most watched thing i've ever had on on it was my of what was his name. that's a guy that you

called a dump. rag over herman van rompuy. rob martin, because it became known people . well, my it became known people. well, my personal thought was when i went for him over the and basically said, no, we're going to be putting up a statue to you, that's for sure. and one expert it yeah it was very good but was he all right on a personal level , what can i say on a personal fine on a personal note that there was very of that . but i there was very of that. but i think the reason for that is that he said he can't but also the people generally it is it's like the mother of political correctness, like the bbc, they thought we would knuckle dragging know blocked you know exactly my idea and so basically they were kind of quite that we were very articulate and actually took it seriously. yeah peter ustinov, you know, you're still running new culture for him. you're a great campaigner you've written many books over the years . the latest one, why the years. the latest one, why this not this one is this one is not this one is actually by same time and

actually by the same time and it's a collection of essays called fighting back and lot of people in it actually nigel that will known the viewers the will be known to the viewers the channel got a web , we've channel we've got a web, we've got rafe haydel, man coo we've got rafe haydel, man coo we've got you know all these doing amazing work this during the queen's funeral, by the way. yes excellent, excellent. and obviously also calvin. calvin this is what this is. obviously also calvin. calvin this is what this is . we get so this is what this is. we get so feedback from our supporters and viewers saying we agree with you about what's happening with this . so also we're getting and essentially we agree with you what . do we do. yeah. so the what. do we do. yeah. so the point of this is to take ten different perspectives from government, right to everyday life how do people get on every day life when faced with having to say to and how do they fight back how they like it because we need to fight back. yeah, we definitely will keep fighting. thank you for joining definitely will keep fighting. thank you forjoining me . yes.

thank you for joining me. yes. it is now time barrage. the barrage. yes. here goes. henry is first up he asks , has this is first up he asks, has this government created the perfect storm in order to get us back into the eu? i don't think they've done it deliberately, but i think the instincts of hunt, who's really running the and sunak and you've heard it already mean when he went to meet president macron, he virtually fawned over it. i mean i'm your i'm your friend . my i'm your i'm your friend. my worry is they're lining it up in such a way that , a storm, such a way that, a storm, a government consigned us back to . single market rules. your thoughts, peter i think it's actually sheer incompetence, actually sheer incompetence, actually cheering on business and conspiracy that may be i got and conspiracy that may be i got a bit more suspicious than that . michael asks. it has been that the channel migrants should be registered to work . yeah, i registered to work. yeah, i know. i know, i know. and

bolster the ailing labour market. do you agree with that idea? it is a dreadful . yeah and idea? it is a dreadful. yeah and i might was putting ideas like this on gb news yesterday if you those that come into this country via that route to work you automatically legitimise them and open a door for knows how many more to come. it is not a good idea all and finally, davy asks if shell and put out of north sea investment, will that not drive uk in fracking ? that not drive uk in fracking? but they're not going to allow fracking . rishi has said there fracking. rishi has said there will be no fracking and they burble on him and the storm are about self—sufficient . they're about self—sufficient. they're going to make wind turbines every where and when the wind doesn't blow. how self—sufficient we going to be. and by the way , a quick story and by the way, a quick story that broke overnight . i've been that broke overnight. i've been warning you about these electricity metres a couple of people have actually had their electricity metres off for not up with their payments and i had

a letter from the water board saying they want to manage demand and put me on a metre. i'm not doing it it ain't happening i'm back with tomorrow live 7:00 from clacton on sea before of that and before mark steyn let's get the all important weather evening alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office. another spell of heavy rain to come tomorrow it last all that long but intense rain and gusty winds could cause a bit of disruption. so we do have met office warnings in place green being created that wet and windy weather tomorrow from this area of low pressure that's tracking us. this won't tracking towards us. this won't be start for many through be a wet start for many through wednesday that rain is still lingering in sheffield where it's also blustery elsewhere. we've got a lot showers this evening wales and, evening for wales and, south—west, england, some hail and the mixed in they will and from the mixed in they will slowly fade. we'll keep some showers western scotland showers in western scotland overnight, but places overnight, but many places become dry enough of a breeze to stop too much of a frost. temperatures to 4 to 6 degrees in urban areas. so a fresh

in most urban areas. so a fresh but bright starts to thursday. quite a bit of sunshine early doors so much of the east doors and so much of the east will stay fine through the day. here comes that weather system spell of heavy rain crossing northern ireland, gusty winds through sea. through the irish sea. particular office warning particular met office warning for winds here a wind and for winds here and a wind and warning in place for wales and england as this band of rain marches in it could cause some further disrupt . and of course further disrupt. and of course it has been wet behind it. it has been very wet behind it. bright spells showers. much of eastern england will be dry until when that rain will until dusk when that rain will finally march in and against pretty intense particular across the south so further disruption here especially with a lot of spray and surface water during the evening rush hour does tend to zip away as we get thursday evening . again, follow on with evening. again, follow on with some clearer spells, but the showers are easing as we go into friday. there will still be some dunng friday. there will still be some during friday, particularly for western scotland, northern ireland scattering for northwest england, but for a good part of the country friday is looking

like a dry and a bright day. the winds won't be as strong and most places will dodge the showers and have some spells of sunshine. temperature wise about average for the time of year nine, ten, 11, maybe, or 13 across the south, more details on those weather warnings on the met office .

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