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population by in the year to june the equivalent of the city of liverpool or manchester arriving in one single year come that number possibly be sustain and what does it mean for housing schools and hospitals which seem stretched than ever speaking of which have you found yourself struggling to get an in—person appointment with.7 your gp well, you can now compare your gp with other practises around the country. thanks newly published and newly published nhs data was a bit of a tongue twister, but doctors, they're being named and shamed and take showers to beat putin. that's government's message as it says households , have households, have a responsibility to reduce energy use to stop our dependence on russia. is that common or is it aninsuh russia. is that common or is it an insult to intelligence? and finally you might might have missed it . finally you might might have missed it. but finally you might might have missed it . but keir finally you might might have missed it. but keir starmer has picked up a very award is leading labour to inevitable victory. we'll be discussing this and with my fabulous panel all of that to come tonight on

dewbs& co but first the latest news headlines headlines . dewbs& co but first the latest news headlines headlines. emily, thank you. i'm bethany elsie to bnng thank you. i'm bethany elsie to bring you up to date from the gb newsroom the home secretary says she committed to reducing levels migration as a number. the uk has hit its highest level since the second world war office for national statistics data shows 504,000 more people moved to the uk left in the year to june it beats the previous record 390,000 in 2015 suella braverman it said the rise was by ukrainians fleeing the and vowed to review the government's immigration policies in order to ensure a controlled approach. while the shadow home secretary says the government is failing . says the government is failing. today's figures show is that the conservatives have completely mismanaged both the asylum , the mismanaged both the asylum, the immigration systems . so you've immigration systems. so you've got 98% of small boat cases

still haven't been decided . and still haven't been decided. and at the same time there's been 80% increase in work visas because the government is failing to the skills and some of the labour in the economy . of the labour in the economy. well, border control expert , well, border control expert, henry bolton told gb news as additional strain on local with no increase services to match. we've got mps from across the country and it's sort of beyond party here. saying look what is happening . our local areas are happening. our local areas are being now flooded with people. our hotels are being taken over. we have no, no how long this is going to go on. and i idea what you're going do about it. you're going to do about it. there no and that's the there is no plan. and that's the problem. chair of, a problem. the chair of, a safeguarding board that dealt with the of a five year old boy in wales who was murdered by his family, has for systemic issues .logan family, has for systemic issues . logan mwangi died in july last year after months of abuse at the hands of his mother , the hands of his mother, stepfather and stepbrother who

were given life sentences . were given life sentences. earlier this year a review how the board handled his case found. he was failed by authorities didn't report his injuries . 120 people have been injuries. 120 people have been arrested in the uk's biggest fraud sting . the global fraud sting. the global operation down a website which helped criminals thousands of victims of millions of pounds. site generated a spoof phone which made it look as if calls being made from banks around . being made from banks around. 70,000 potential victims will now be sent a text asking them contact police . the rmt has the contact police. the rmt has the government for help in resolving dispute with train companies. the union's general secretary, lynch, has been holding talks . lynch, has been holding talks. the transport secretary, after announcing a fresh round of strikes over festive period. he the meeting with mark harper as positive . but he hasn't ruled positive. but he hasn't ruled out industrial action. we've got a dispute with employers who are not allowed to negotiate he's

got to clarify that in writing to us and perhaps to them . and to us and perhaps to them. and that's his role. he is the facilitator or as he's now called himself. so he's got to show us what that actually means . some mechanics of how this is going to progress and some timelines of we're going to progress. the discussions the transport secretary harper says changes need be made before paye can be negotiated if . there is can be negotiated if. there is agreement on the reform that's neededin agreement on the reform that's needed in the rail industry to make it more flexible and to take cost out of it. it's that is what frees up the resource is to enable the network rail and the train companies to then make an improved pay offer to the trade unions. now that detail work is work need to do in other news the met police officer has been charged with a further nine offences, bringing the number of charges against him to 53. david an armed officer who served with

the parliamentary and diplomatic protection command is now facing 27 counts of rape. he's been charged with nine counts of sexual assault , three counts of sexual assault, three counts of false imprisonment . the charges false imprisonment. the charges relate to 13 women between 2003 and this year. he faces in february the family of a toddler died after prolonged exposure . died after prolonged exposure. mould have said they have confidence in the leadership of the housing association. two year old awaab ishak died in december 2020 from a respiratory condition caused by mould in a flat manchester. his parents made several complaints to the local authority , but were simply local authority, but were simply told to paint it. housing secretary michael gove says rochdale borough wide has failed to explain how it would ensure tenant safety in future . and tenant safety in future. and breaking news just in the last few minutes, a 31 year old man has been charged the murders of a mother and her two daughters

following . a fire at a flat in following. a fire at a flat in clifton in nottinghamshire. a three year old and a one year old died in the fire. the mother, 28 year old fatma haidara , was taken to hospital haidara, was taken to hospital and put on support but died on tuesday . we'll bring you more on tuesday. we'll bring you more on that story an hour's time. you're up to date on tv and dab plus radio. this is. you're up to date on tv and dab plus radio. this is . now let's plus radio. this is. now let's get back to james and co with emily . emily. thank you. welcome to dewbs& co with me, emily . so i'm going to with me, emily. so i'm going to introduce my panel we have former lib dem mp and favourite on gb news also reality tv star sometimes to my left and james watson who is visiting professor at london woodhouse. sorry woodhouse in at the london southbank university . what are southbank university. what are you, a visiting professor and

what subject are forecasting innovation ? sounds very innovation? sounds very interesting. that will help our discussions today . please. we're discussions today. please. we're going to be discussing an lot today about mass figure, net migration figure this country, the equivalent of about or manchester joining the equivalent of about or manchesterjoining our manchester joining our population in just one year alone. what your thoughts on that? are you worried about social cohesion ? you worried social cohesion? you worried about our infrastructure do you think the government has the ability to get those numbers down? do let me know what you think. i'll be getting the thoughts of my panel. but of course we want to hear your views the most views or tweet me at gb news or corvette. emily so the figures are out the uk population grew by an astonishing 504,000 in the year up to june first, the highest net migration figure on record. the number was by the relocation of ukrainians , kongers and of ukrainians, kongers and afghans fleeing or persecution .

afghans fleeing or persecution. but also 277,000 students, some of whom will bring dependents . of whom will bring dependents. the home secretary has said the government remains committed to reducing over time while . the reducing over time while. the prime minister's official spokesperson that while he rishi sunak to see net migration come down, he has not put a time frame on it all seems a bit wishy , does it not limit, do you wishy, does it not limit, do you think ? it's possible even for think? it's possible even for the government to these figures down. it's quite extraordinary we look back at new labour as the ones who opened the floodgates in other words to immigration everywhere in the world, not least the european union, but the conservatives under conservative watch, hundreds of thousands every yeah hundreds of thousands every year. well, there there's nothing wishy washy about half a million people. it's a huge number. and for those people who brexit in order to bring down the borders to stop this kind of immigration , they're going to be immigration, they're going to be pretty disappointed by now. there's an irony in it. once thing as population grows normally helps an economy grow

too. we seem to be in the worst of both worlds here and recession. and with a growing population. now why is that? because we often talk about how immigration economy immigration good for the economy yet . we've seen stagnant yet. we've seen stagnant productivity and also stagnant wages. so can it truly said that huge numbers in terms migration is a good well well it probably would be even worse if they weren't coming in here to be honest with the weakened ageing. no that counterfactual. well from scientific and functional from a scientific and functional scientific from an economic point view, think we can point of view, i think we can say something about it. we have an ageing population and that means we backfill means we need to backfill retirees somebody . my retirees with somebody. my opinion, economics to opinion, i studied economics to university level and my feeling is probably we'd be in an even worse without those worse position without those people. the downside is people. but the downside here is it put so much more pressure on our infrastructure primarily on housing because . you have to housing because. you have to have million people now have 70 million people now instead of 66,000,050 million. not that decades ago. we'll be getting into housing, of course,

because that's a massive area of contention when it comes to our government whether we should be having top down targets housing in to keep up with demand in order to keep up with demand or whether people should be able to no, we don't want more to say, no, we don't want more housing area. thank you housing in our area. thank you very much, what are your very much, james. what are your thoughts it is astonishing thoughts it is an astonishing number. think a lot of people who are quite relaxed about immigration in general been taken aback by. this massive number. well, you've got to look beyond the numbers and you've got to look at them detail. if you read the office for national statistics , as i have done , statistics, as i have done, 89,000 ukrainians came in on special scheme. yep. the further thousand you visa routes, that's enormous number. the student numbers are enormous as well . numbers are enormous as well. now the in terms of the bunch it's about getting home for 40,000 and that's not even included in that figure. well, it's certainly in the next press release . but, you know, so it's release. but, you know, so it's relatively modest but still

sizeable . a lot of them are sizeable. a lot of them are illegal. they shouldn't be here. they should not our hotels. but i think you put your finger on it when you said, you know, we've had declining and low productivity more migration is not going to improve our productivity that's to do with mechanisation , to do with mechanisation, to do with lowering the bureaucracy . the lowering the bureaucracy. the national health service i even find myself agreeing with rishi sunak and i'm likely when he talked about robots in health care, you know, for older people and so on. the other thing is we've got to be very, you know, of course these kinds of numbers, although a lot of them are paying students and my experience, few foreign students bnng experience, few foreign students bring a whole lot of dependents . it's relatively small that yeah, what we have to think aboutisit yeah, what we have to think about is it the immigration problem that we should be controlled which responsible for our infrastructure collapse or is it 12 years of concern that of neglect , labour passing . i

of neglect, labour passing. i had the opportunity to deliver power before and the general hostility of the green elite to housebuilding to building on the green and everything. 90% of britain's surface area is unoccupied. it's not built upon . so unless we change those kinds attitudes, we're going to be just blaming immigrants. it's just a too much of a reflex action . it's the government action. it's the government should take the responsibility. yes, i do. for not doing i don't think many people would blame imogen sue or the so actually the stats show fewer and fewer since brexit brits rising in exactly i think i think most people just bemused if not frustrated by the fact that they see the infrastructure , see see the infrastructure, see their public services becoming and more overwhelmed. and there's nothing they can do about it . there's nothing they can do about it. millions of there's nothing they can do about it . millions of people about it. millions of people voted brexit thinking that that their borders would be under more . they were told that and it

more. they were told that and it seems like there's more migration than ever i mean it's hard to get one's head around it. we had in the remain remaining campaign which pretty much just irritated people to the point of swinging it in of brexit and we had idiocy on the brexit and we had idiocy on the brexit side brexit and we had idiocy on the brexit sid e £350 million a week brexit side £350 million a week from boris johnson for the health service. so was distortion on both sides. but one of the clear clarion messages from a very large proportion people was we vote brexit to close our borders. and that's the one thing manifestly that's the one thing manifestly that happened. i declare an interest limit. opaque isn't a british name. my came in as political refugees during world war ii and i'm really grateful for that. i myself have migrated. probably i could economically from northern ireland to london. i don't hold it . anyone who's trying to get it. anyone who's trying to get in here responsible for doing the wrong . but the government's the wrong. but the government's policies totally failing. policies are totally failing. but james, i must and but lebron james, i must and this something that's always this is something that's always very when very difficult talk about when it comes immigration is that people aren't just worried about

strain on infrastructure or pubuc strain on infrastructure or public services. they do worry that in their towns and cities there's ghettos zation, there's a lack of social cohesion and there's very differences in cultural values and so on that does upset people. but we're going to move on to housing, although we will come back to that because as the population of the country by half a million this year, the conservative party finds itself in a new civil war over tory rebels are digging heels in over government housebuilding targets saying that centrally numbers are leading to bad housing developments . james, is that developments. james, is that just an excuse because they don't want to upset their constituents by allowing more houses to be built. that's a fair bit of it. you know it's not just nimbyism . it shows to not just nimbyism. it shows to me at least that the tory right is interested in growth, that they're not interested in housebuilding, that couldn't care less about newlyweds with babies and kids. and so and they've got no policy for that . they've got no policy for that. of course, they're making a nimby plea to their constituents

to be re—elected, but , nimby plea to their constituents to be re—elected, but, you nimby plea to their constituents to be re—elected, but , you know, to be re—elected, but, you know, the fact rishi sunak ricochet rishi, as i like to call him, is now wavering on this question. you know , and may go back on you know, and may go back on these targets, of course, you know, target are reasonable. a whole lot the time and central ones drawn up by this and most governments are going to be very wrong and perplexing . but that's wrong and perplexing. but that's just a cover for our tory right wingers they want to put the stops on everything and remember they're perfectly in favour of they're perfectly in favour of the net zero target right . they the net zero target right. they love oliver. well, come to on zero. when we discuss the energy reduction campaign , the reduction campaign, the government set out this announced this week anyway . but announced this week anyway. but on the housing yes there's a lot of young , naturally conservative of young, naturally conservative voters who have said to me i will not be voting conservative or i'm very to be voting conservative because a millennial as a young person , i

millennial as a young person, i don't see a future in terms of getting on the housing ladder. yeah there are two. i was shadow housing for quite a while and actually helped grant shapps who was in the same role in. the tories put together the housing policy. they became government policy. they became a government and. one very good and. they did one very good thing is shared ownership thing which is shared ownership schemes, share schemes, which means you share the buying a new the cost of buying a new property. do property. what they didn't do well massive of well was fill the massive of over demand undersupply, which every government says they're going to do and no government has since 1960s. specifically, the concern you've got is right on the one side the tories lose votes if they if they have property being built let's say villages and towns where they don't them. and then on the other side you've got those people cannot get on the people who cannot get on the housing ladder because they people who cannot get on the housi afford der because they people who cannot get on the housi afford itr because they people who cannot get on the housi afford it literallye they people who cannot get on the housi afford it literally some' can't afford it literally some property. we do have this problem here. we nimby, not in my backyard , but now have my backyard, but now we have bananas build . absolutely bananas build. absolutely nothing anywhere , any good nothing anywhere, any good place. but wondering what viewers at home are thinking, because i imagine a lot of you who take the view that you

didn't vote for mass immigration didn't vote for mass immigration didn't vote for housing developments in your area and you like because of the government's and perhaps you view them as lies in terms of immigration getting it down to the tens of thousands and so on. you feel like perhaps your area is going to be overdeveloped and you're not too keen on areas also being built on because of political decisions . let me know political decisions. let me know what you think about that. do you think it's fair that the government enforce targets on areas of the country in order to get housing demand under control in order to reach demand with more housing ? think it's a very more housing? think it's a very difficult one because so many people , many young people are people, many young people are spending upwards of half of their net income on to live in not particularly nice accommodation and it's not the place to go and start a family up in your career and so on. do you think it's fair at the moment now been sending in all your it seems , karen says on the your it seems, karen says on the

migration question have no faith in any politician to get a grip of this emergency . in any politician to get a grip of this emergency. i have in any politician to get a grip of this emergency . i have lost of this emergency. i have lost all hope. we need a party with backbone, paddy says . i voted backbone, paddy says. i voted for brexit and would . but i for brexit and would. but i don't care if immigration goes up or down as long as we control who comes in, who stays and who leaves . that's very interesting. leaves. that's very interesting. so it's not about numbers for paddy. it's more about knowing who's here, why they're here and knowing and, feeling like the government actually has made a decision for one reason or another that makes sense . well, another that makes sense. well, just on the numbers thing, very interesting. you know, again with housing, we have to look at the of the housing and also it's put. now, when i was standing for the brexit party, i you'll allow me let me during free country the last election it was quite clear to me that the democrats running karl scholten and wallington would build any number of houses. but no car parking spaces and nothing support them just because you know it suited the wealth for the borough and so on. and the

houses were very small, the borough and so on. and the houses were very small , have the houses were very small, have the smallest, smallest in europe . smallest, smallest in europe. and i think i was quite moved actually by michael gove when he went up to rochdale today. i saw him on the telly and somebody said, you know, what do you think about two year old child who died? and he just said there are no words actually. and we've got look contents with got to look at the contents with which social people who live in their housing are regarded by people like rochdale, barrow housing, you know , it's the same housing, you know, it's the same contempt that we saw grenfell so we have to have a different attitude to it and of course people are subject to central target will suddenly find over development speculation all the rest of it that we find there. but have an elected government on the other hand and their job is to help tonnes of houses. they're doing that. why? because they not want to deregulate the which they should and they will never consider building with robots the way they do iphones.

i mean, it is a stone a shame that there are conservative meps at the moment who are running against housing targets right at time when figures show that 1.1 million people arrived in this country in a year not not not really because . i think jim said really because. i think jim said it before that nimbyism happens for politicians because you get nine by 50. well do supporters if your party paid off the mortgage we don't want these 30 new houses we don't want social housing in our paul settle town and then you write a letter to the local council complain it doesn't necessarily mean the mp particularly one way or particularly cares one way or the they want get the other but they want to get re—elected. so how the re—elected. so that's how the nimbyism people nimbyism works and people who object than object are always organised than the want at those new the people who want at those new houses. because by definition the aren't there the new residents aren't there until the houses are built. well, karen says they are building houses building more houses where i live they seem to be live and they seem to be building farmland building on farmland which unfortunate opinion unfortunate which in my opinion will one day result in increased pnces will one day result in increased prices food. i don't know about

that karen, but does know . it that karen, but it does know. it does show that some people are not, of course, with where housing cropping up. anyway, housing is cropping up. anyway, we speak that all day, but we could speak that all day, but coming up , we could speak that all day, but coming up, who fail provide coming up, who fail to provide inputin coming up, who fail to provide input in appointments are coming under this spotlight. is it right that their named and shamed? we'll be back after. the break .

welcome back to dewbs & co with welcome back to dewbs& co with emily carver. now joining me seven my panel former lib dem mp lambert opic and on other side james wood howson who is professor at the london south bank university in innovation forecast forecasting . now, forecast forecasting. now, you've been sending in all opinions on house building, though, says house builders

often wriggle out of providing roads , schools and other roads, schools and other infrastructure and council is do not enforce. yes, this is what we were talking about in my area where i am living at the moment , there's lots of housing going up and that's brilliant to see, you know, lots families will be moving the area crucially moving into the area crucially having a home. that's brilliant. but wonder where the money but i do wonder where the money from for the council and we'll have enough school places appointments and so on. i do worry about the sustain ability of such large numbers of . people of such large numbers of. people coming here every year now speaking of gp's doctors , speaking of gp's doctors, they're being named and shamed as the nhs starts publishing. how many appointments? gp are holding? nhs digital lists that digital lists ? the performance digital lists? the performance of every gp practise the country including how many were given an appointment on same day limit naming and shaming. it's a good way to improve performance. no. oh really? not this is actually the system named and shamed at

school. it helped me. that's why here today in that case, overachieve but there's a problem with this is we're not talking about gp's deliberately having long lists it's not like gp selling company bother to have any more patients today. this story has actually occurred two different ways over the last year. two different ways over the last year . first of it was year. first of all, it was naming and those patients didn't turn up for their appointments and that came back, got thrown out . now it's and that came back, got thrown out. now it's naming and shaming gp's who are already very hard pressed. they can argue they get a lot of money but i wouldn't want that job not least because you the same coming you get the same people coming in again and again. in again and again and again. that's what happens often. pace that's what happens often. pace that's happens. gp's that's that's what happens. gp's that's just, isn't just, just a bit. the nhs isn't the but the most efficient system but it's probably best the world it's probably the best the world and be interested hear and i'll be interested to hear what at home think about this. firstly, are you finding it difficult appointment in difficult to a gp appointment in person ? can get one online? person? can you get one online? but the hope of getting one face to face is a little bit lost . or to face is a little bit lost. or do you think that ? well, can you do you think that? well, can you see ? and then second, do you

see? and then second, do you like see? and then second, do you ukeidea see? and then second, do you like idea of naming and shaming? i mean, i see it as naming and shaming . james this is more just shaming. james this is more just keeping track of what's happening in doctors surgeries, andifs happening in doctors surgeries, and it's about well, i think if you and i limit with naming and shaming and really looking at it, you know, we get a different performance league table and more accurate one because we know the government loves performance league tables. oh think they're inaccurate? i don't i know you and everywhere else i. just rubbish . and they else i. just rubbish. and they all began with tony blair reading an article in the harvard business review back in the nineties about key performance indicators and all of that . now i think with gp's of that. now i think with gp's the performance is very patchy, like that of the nhs. i go putney meade medical practice. okay, wait we're going to look this up on the nhs digital site. partly made let's see putney . partly made let's see putney. meade let's see what they've made of what they think you dnnk made of what they think you drink so i've got it here now

the number of face to face appointments 7485 67.2% of appointments 7485 67.2% of appointments with gp's are face to face at your practise that not bad, but it's not well if it's not great blame matt hancock because he can't defend . he famously , you know, as zoom . he famously, you know, as zoom medicine as he like to call it. he knows nothing about it you know should be the default and we all know that i a lot of telephone appointments with magnificent courtney meade so i'm not against remote medicine but we also know that you know if trying to inspect my ear you can't do that over zoom you have to have a full examination and if are at all serious about that dubious phrase, holistic medicine , you've got to take in medicine, you've got to take in the whole patient in house. how's her and all the rest of it? no got the numbers here if you'll just follow and, then i'll call you . in 2010, gp's did i'll call you. in 2010, gp's did 7.5 half days a week in 2019

that was down to 6.6 from 7.7.5 half days a week. nothing really to write home. and that's not a full week no. and then it went down 6.6 before the pandemic and the lockdowns right now bma so long ago called for a strike the guardian backed it when the guardian backed it when the guardian a strike. i can't be on that , but i'm guardian a strike. i can't be on that, but i'm right behind the archie . but a lot of these archie. but a lot of these doctors are paid 150,000 or more. well, you know , i have more. well, you know, i have a couple of friends who went into medicine and they're my and they've already gone part time all to many of our doctors going time and how can we incentivise to stay on i think it's something to do with the taxes well it's not they get stuck in that gap where they're taxed they do overtime that might the reason but i think that's a more profound reason it's the same demon culprit that james already mentioned, tony blair and his

team made this ridiculous deal, ridiculous deal with doctors , ridiculous deal with doctors, which put the brits put their salaries, but their work expectations , brilliant expectations, brilliant negotiation , the medical side , negotiation, the medical side, terrible negotiation by the government . now, i tend to agree government. now, i tend to agree with matt hancock on that under actually that's another story because he does say let's move with the times , but not with the times, but not everything can be done in that way and it doesn't solve the underlying issue. they do get these phenomenal salaries . maybe these phenomenal salaries. maybe it to do with but they it has to do with tax, but they can afford to spend less time there or that may suggest they might be doing private , which might be doing private, which makes salaries even makes their salaries even bigger. is and all bigger. yeah is true. and all this would i doubt it's the case that have just become particularly lazy in the last few years. i imagine there are many different incentives play although i do think across the whole economy more and more people are working from home they got very used to it during they got very used to it during the pandemic course and it is hard to some people back into the me though. i'm the office. not me though. i'm very come office

very happy to come the office every single day , any any every single day, any day, any day gb news will have me . but every single day, any day, any day gb news will have me. but in terms of one quick thing before we go to your views at home is that, of course these stats, naming and shaming might a bit harsh because gp practises have different demographics. young people well be very happy to have over the phone consultations, whereas older elderly people with complex needs need to see, need to see a gp person. so we may be comparing apples with apples here . that's true . we've got to here. that's true. we've got to be careful always to discriminate . same with, you discriminate. same with, you know, immigration . it's not just know, immigration. it's not just a numbers question is how the numbers out. if you look at junior doctors they're working 90 hours a week. they get a terrible time of it. you know, i believe that there isn't an outbreak of sloth and laziness in large parts of the working population of some of it's you know the home people are

justified . they really are ill. justified. they really are ill. okay that's one thing working from home actually declining now despite , all those who would despite, all those who would like to move with the i can't think of a less likely candidate than matt hancock for doing that. so we've got to you know , that. so we've got to you know, of course there's room for remote medicine, but need to discriminate and a lot of time there's a bit of skiving going . there's a bit of skiving going. i get the feeling that morale is a bit low across the board of the bill, i do think, and that can lead to idleness and, a bit of laziness and just a lack of motivation. and i'm not saying that's the case with the gp's, i'm just saying in general i think the country needs a bit of an uplift. i'm not sure what will bring that perhaps will bnng will bring that perhaps will bring football home. will bring football home. i that will be changes things gives us be what changes things gives us a i i must read out some of a bit. i i must read out some of the comments from the audience at home. mark says there's enough gp's but 90% of them work part time for the nhs bring back the grumpy old full time doctors . i do think this is an issue

and i must say and this might be sexist of me perhaps a little bit misleading mistake, but i do think a lot the female gp's think a lot of the female gp's do go part time quickly and do go part time very quickly and that's really the balance, that's really the life balance, bringing family and so on. bringing up a family and so on. perhaps we need male gp's. perhaps we need more male gp's. is that very, very controversial? imagine controversial? i imagine courageous . leslie said i would courageous. leslie said i would like to praise my surgery. nothing is too much if i have a problem. they attend to it. the office staff are brilliant. that's really nice to hear. i wonder which surgery you're at. it been nice to see it would have been nice to see to put your practise our little nhs digital dropdown of calls to search and find out they have lots of in—person appointments . lots of in—person appointments. and just lastly , martin said and just lastly, martin said there was no trouble getting a face to face appointment pre—pandemic. what exactly has changed it the case that it's very easy to get an appointment you want a vaccine and do wonder if there's the financial benefit for gp's in having those appointments which can be done very, very quickly. must very, very quickly. now we must move coming up take showers very, very quickly. now we must m

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welcome back to dewbs & co with welcome back to dewbs& co with me cava now joining me until seven is my panel still former lib dem mp. okay oh pick your name is so to say ten in one go. the ten letters bit opaque that's what james woodhouse in who is a professor at the london university . now you've been university. now you've been sending in your opinions thick , sending in your opinions thick, fast. where should we go to? let's go to gp's. do you think they should be named and shamed for not having face to face appointments? please, do you still touch? we've still still get in touch? we've still got odd to in got 20 odd minutes to go in the show this evening. russell oh, i've spoken to, russell. i've already spoken to, russell. lorraine says not only can i not an appointment, i can't even get registered with a doctor i have recently moved. and they are saying are full. how can this be right now we heard a lot about this. it came to dentists, but in terms of gp's that is quite appalling really. in terms of gp's that is quite appalling really . you know, the appalling really. you know, the nhs was set up to give us all universal health care, was it not free? the point of use open

to everyone of whatever your means. clearly it's getting harder and harder for people actually get even to a gp. anyway going to be moving on to energy . the government is energy. the government is spending energy. the government is spendin g £25 million of your spending £25 million of your money to tell households how to save energy recommendations , save energy recommendations, turning down your boiler, switching off radiators in empty rooms and, taking showers instead of a bath. i don't know about you, but my dad did teach me this all before i turned about age ten. anyway jeremy hunt households hunt says households a responsibility to reduce energy use by 15% to stop britain being blackmailed by russian president vladimir putin. i'm not sure how he squares that with my net migration at 500,000. surely energy use is only going to go up anyway. james if i thought i could stop vladimir putin taking a shower, i'd never out of it . a shower, i'd never out of it. well, maybe he'd never get out of it anyway. well you know,

households should take responsibility , shouldn't they? responsibility, shouldn't they? i mean, the government should not take responsibility because doesn't, it doesn't have an energy policy . and this really energy policy. and this really shows how jeremy is the undertaker for the collapse of undertaker for the collapse of undertaker yeah he looks as grim and dark suited and impersonal as lovely photo i could post and he's got nothing to say about except that it's your fault you've got to make your contribution then as you rightly hint emily he patronise us with advertising campaign trying turn the lights out. but i think that perhaps this could be a good idea actually because we are where we and at the moment the taxpayer all of us are subsidised bills to about 3 billion t 0 £5 billion a month. billion to £5 billion a month. that's the projection that's what it's costing us all to subsidise bills. so therefore, if we do cut our energy thanks to the telling us do us to or advising us in this , then surely advising us in this, then surely that's a net benefit all of us

in great britain. and to stink britain in the process my washing in a full they have some people skip showers they said well let's go the whole hog and save the money but well i'll for hunt as it would you came here today i sweat a lot when i'm on the show the head is the problem the show the head is the problem the here's the problem we know that why this has happened it's not because of putin he is instrumental a little bit we've helped no but we've got what has fundamentally us to be vulnerable is our idiotic energy policy. we've got a pounds worth of gas under our feet but we haven't got the courage to use it for misplaced and environmental obsession. let's not this up a first world second biggest economy in the world country should be able to have a when it wants to. i think that's a that's a strong campaign message lambeth might set up a party for britain there's lots of new parties propping up a propping of new parties propping up a propping upi of new parties propping up a propping up, aren't there ? what propping up, aren't there? what do you think? do you think this a distraction almost from the

government's inability to. well, inability incapable entity whatever the word is really to describe the government in terms of the fact they've left us so insecure when it comes to energy. it's not a distraction, it's an abdication of responsibility. you know they don't know anything about energy . nofice don't know anything about energy . notice the labour front . they . notice the labour front. they know nothing about it. they continue to confuse it with electricity it's not the same thing and they believe that intermittent solar and above all on offshore wind can really allow our steel factories what's left of them. and manufacturing what's left of it . there's a what's left of it. there's a fair bit in intermittent power can deliver this when you fault them on that they will say, well, look, when nuclear plus renewables will do it, nuclear can't deliver the heat and the on demand electricity that is required from intermittent back up and the thing with these renewables or unreliable as should be found is that have to

build a more complex grid lots more back up and there's all these civil servants involved on contracts for difference all the rest of it more bureaucracy just like the nhs they a thousand people down to ofgem and still they're employing consultants for god's sake and the i'm making is really interesting. it's called spinning when it's not windy and when it's dark you don't get any solar, you don't get any wind and nuclear. it just chugs away at a steady and you can't stall like megawatt hours because we haven't really got any way of doing it. so the whole problem we've got here isn't about people taking baths. it's as james says, the government having this ludicrous obsession with a non—existent climate crisis and putting this country on its knees under , our country on its knees under, our most ironically all dependent places like china and india , so places like china and india, so that we import the things that make limiting co2. it does seem like our politicians are very happy to virtual signal virtue signalling the international stage, but actually, what

happens is that we end up more and more dependent rogue regimes otherwise distasteful, immoral around the world for energy, which is not good, and it will lead a deeper, deeper recession and for us, all of these energy , we do have some of the worst in world now in terms of prices, which is not where great britain should be anyway. we move on. coming up, a new poll shows labour holding onto their lead in the red wall is keir starmer scoops a prestigious award with us .

welcome back to dewbs & co with welcome back to dewbs& co with me emily carver joining me until me emily carverjoining me until seven my panel is still here thankfully open got it well done that woman thank you very much. very good . james woodhouse, who very good. james woodhouse, who

is visiting professor at the london southbank university , the london southbank university, the only visiting professor? no no, no. one of one of the few cost of files. cost of thousand. now, you've been sending in your opinions on that energy . do you opinions on that energy. do you think the government is right to spend think the government is right to spen d £5 million on telling us spend £5 million on telling us how to be more efficient with our energy? it could end up saving us money, though in the long run we all stop using so adrian says all businesses be told stop leaving lights on told to stop leaving lights on in shops when no one is there. an mp should stop claiming expenses, especially when public have tighten their belts . have to tighten their belts. gosh, our high streets would look bit a little bit look a little bit a little bit bleak at night time if there were no lights at all. but it may be that businesses come to that in terms of the claim expenses. yes, there was a story today they're spending huge amounts on, energy amounts of money on, energy bills on their expenses at our expense says since the government is paying 40% of our electricity bills, i think they have a right to advise us to reduce our usage. i do agree with that to some extent . no,

with that to some extent. no, they caused the problem the first place. i know, but we have to with where we are, do we not? abroad for us to change our behaviour. another financial manipulation . no substitute for manipulation. no substitute for building some nuclear power in this country and. can i just add? but we're trying to build sizewell c which is quite old technology already and it seems to take years and years and years there's nimby opposition. we can't seem to get anything working in this country. we can't seem to get anything working in this country . well, working in this country. well, the latter is true, but i think you're talking hinkley point other than sizewell c and that's actually a new but messed up technology hinkley sizewell yeah but it's new edf . it's not very but it's new edf. it's not very good. if i may make a point, one thing that gb news could give lead on and okay, i'm writing is whenever people talk about clean energy well they should talking aboutis energy well they should talking about is wind turbines chinese solar panels . and 40,000 child solar panels. and 40,000 child labourers in the republic of congois labourers in the republic of congo is that do we know the raw

materials is it china that makes all these products and large? yes, china is nothing ourselves . can we not make our own wind turbine? obviously built our place ourselves out of the market. that's the partly because of the very same stupid energy policies. but not buying these things and to try to sort out china , rubbing its hands, out china, rubbing its hands, laughing as head of india will probably promises me ironic that we have china who have constructed i think a record number of coal mine in the last year or so. well you mean coal fired power stations, coal fired coal fired power power plants . coal fired power power plants. and at the same time, they're shipping, to us, components for green . here in the uk, you make green. here in the uk, you make up it does just show that these cop events, these cop26 cop 2727 of them are about political posturing it is and it's not clean we've got a the adjective you know because if you're mining coal cobalt in the drc for turbines and solar panels

and you're a child you're doing it by hand democratic republic of congo. i said that the rolls off the tongue . it's not clean off the tongue. it's not clean can we drop that adjective and it's not it's not green either . it's not it's not green either. do you know what do with an old wind turbine? you it. yeah we literally just bury thing in the ground that's not clean , not ground that's not clean, not recycled yet. you both started on electric vehicles. oh so on the losing electric vehicles , the losing electric vehicles, you look at what's called cradle to grave from building it to disposing of it, you have to do a certain amount of miles to get c02 a certain amount of miles to get co2 back . most people who co2 budget back. most people who buy them will never pay back the extra co2 that's been caused by them buying electric vehicle. before you even begin to think about where going to get about where we're going to get the power stations to the 17 nuclear power stations to have the clean grid that james rightly about, in six rightly talks about, oh, in six years, according very quickly. rightly talks about, oh, in six yearthen:ording very quickly. rightly talks about, oh, in six yearthen we're] very quickly. rightly talks about, oh, in six yearthen we're going quickly. rightly talks about, oh, in six yearthen we're going quimove to and then we're going to move to on lovely keir starmer. well, if you're worried about strikes now, to see now, emily you're going to see a big motorists strike around 2030 and 2035 when the climate change

committee, led by lord dave or gummer, as he prefers to be called, has dictate , said that called, has dictate, said that we start buying new petrol and diesel vehicles. we start buying new petrol and diesel vehicles . yes, there'll diesel vehicles. yes, there'll be a revolt. i'm telling you now as a forecaster. it's to happen. it happened in france , happened it happened in france, happened in canada. it's going there's a campaign called operation about that and they better out because it's coming down the track. well, there we go. watch for that at home. we haven't got much balance on the old climate on this planet. we got common here that's bringing common sense on dewbs & co this evening. sense on dewbs& co this evening. now the most significant now one of the most significant political took place political of the year took place last night keir starmer last night. keir starmer was given politician of the year given the politician of the year award by the right wing spectator right spectator magazine or right leaning magazine. the spectator . there was some stiff competition from other like gavin williamson , diane abbott, gavin williamson, diane abbott, matt hancock , those old matt hancock, those old favourites who still just about matt hancock , still just about matt hancock, still just about holds his seat despite jetting out to the australia and jungle limit . kay is

out to the australia and jungle limit. kay is actually doing alright, isn't he, he's playing alright, isn't he, he's playing a bit of a blinder right. it's ironic . it's a bit of a blinder right. it's ironic. it's ironic. look at the short list . they're making short list. they're making a joke, it's sarcastic . matt joke, it's sarcastic. matt hancock has one more stars in the jungle . then keir starmer the jungle. then keir starmer has one or no awards for politics. he's the guy, incidentally, who thinks that you can get all these nuclear power stations in six years i mean he doesn't even energy he's committed us to a zero co2 grid by 2030 now he wins an award come on but i think it's actually quite appropriate that his politician of the because been a terrible year and he represents everything that we've got over you know in terms thinking and acting and debating you know a man who cannot answer the question do you know what a woman is. yeah you've got to ask it is extraordinary is he going to hold out the red wall? i do wonder, though, because a lot of people watching this will think, well, actually, that doesn't

seem to be a difference seem to be too of a difference between the conservatives and the party. shall we the labour party. shall we just give because give labour a chance? because there's no chance of anyone else getting enough votes be elected? it's terrible government. so i mean . but do it's terrible government. so i mean. but do you think do you think the labour party will win the next election . i think it's the next election. i think it's the next election. i think it's the crystal . well a bit like the crystal. well a bit like people in america voted trump from the republicans, but it make them in favour. joe biden very much. i think labour possibly win next election. a week is a long time politics two years is a whole lot longer. we don't know yet and anything could happen. but the ability labour to snatch defeat the jaws of victory as neil kinnock did , of victory as neil kinnock did, you know, should not be underestimated . so it's not a underestimated. so it's not a done deal two years away? definitely not. i wonder what you at home think whetherjust you at home think whether just given up on politics altogether . if you have a strong feeling that labour would be worse than conservatives or , actually keir conservatives or, actually keir

starmer do a betterjob. starmer might do a betterjob. at least they've had a long in opposition to try and come up some strategy, although some kind of strategy, although we haven't heard too much about the that case. the lib the policy that case. the lib dems should be brilliant. they've waiting even they've been waiting even longer. coalition but longer. they were coalition but only tories. what only to prop up the tories. what we've is two parties we've got here is two parties which are converging to the middle. vanilla, it's middle. it's not vanilla, it's just stuff mixed just and white stuff mixed together along that's on just together to along that's on just morning and it's going off fast going off faster than the letters as as far as i can tell keir starmer has done quite well recently in terms of in terms of i mean i'm no fan as you can imagine labour party getting a blind yes in sitting on the fence on so many issues at play playing to both sides he's managing to pick up votes now in the red apparently if you believe the poll and he's also managing to pick up votes when comes to metropolitan graduate types are in office. the types who are in office. the tories are losing votes. he's not them. he needs to be quiet if he wants it to go, well, maybe i'm wrong. starmer will amaze us as world leader, but

amaze us as a world leader, but all he has to hope for is that the can't recover? and isn't it a where the labour party a dark where the labour party actually wants and need the tories to do badly so they can be government. that's what be in government. that's what our has become. now our politics has become. now i must our viewers must i must go, our viewers quickly get your response. quickly and get your response. daniel i hope, keir daniel says, i hope, keir starmer wins the next election. i is exactly what our i think it is exactly what our country during this difficult time . well if that's your time. well if that's your yardstick you know i think we're all sunk . the thing is, it's all sunk. the thing is, it's difficult with these views because. you never know if the person writing in is sarcastic or . but i person writing in is sarcastic or. but i think what strikes. what about starmer? is that an imponderable? he's a liar. he doesn't stand for in particular ball fan us like gordon brown and you know when he when you say he's played the blinder by sitting on the fence you think the population notice that you know do you think workers in the red wall don't pick it up he's well not embarrassed. well ben benn at home says the same as

you really limit keir starmer has worked out that doing nothing and saying nothing in this difficult and complex environment the best way forward. good luck to him the question for him . keir starmer question for him. keir starmer is no doubt watching because he'll hang on every word . is he he'll hang on every word. is he sticking what he said to the cbi about being a good party? government policies supporting the unions support his party with all the strikes no one knows and we could talk about the strikes or his of position on that for a hours but i must my panel james wood in and of course lambert optic who been with me since 6:00. i'll be back tomorrow to cover for james while she's away. nigel farage will be live from clacton on sea in essex in just a few minutes time. let's go to the weather . time. let's go to the weather. good evening, alex deakin here with your latest weather updates still pretty wild conditions across parts of wales this evening, but tomorrow overall, a dner evening, but tomorrow overall, a drier and a brighter day . many drier and a brighter day. many of us seeing sunny spells saw some very heavy rain from this weather front that whizzed

across the country earlier on. and we've now got the ice of us squeezing together . west so it squeezing together. west so it is very windy , say is still very windy, say particularly across wales where we office .

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