hello and welcome. this is with calvin robinson of tv, radio and onune calvin robinson of tv, radio and online today as the uk net migration hits an all time record at 504,000 rishi sunak is making it more difficult international students to bring their families to the uk has the government missed the boat on handung government missed the boat on handling migration .7 plus we'll handling migration? plus we'll be talking about strikes, strikes and more strikes and all

traditional fairy tales. too dark for children . all of that dark for children. all of that coming up. but first, let's get your latest news headlines with tatiana sanchez . thank you, tatiana sanchez. thank you, kelvin. good it's 2:01. i'm tatiana sanchez in the gb newsroom, an independent review , the london fire brigade has found service to be institutionally and racist . our institutionally and racist. our national reporter theo chikomba is outside the lfb headquarters for us . theo, what can you tell for us. theo, what can you tell us about ? for us. theo, what can you tell us about? this new report ? yes, us about? this new report? yes, that's right. this report took months led by nazeer afzal and his team looking into the culture here at the london fire brigade . the commissioner, brigade. the commissioner, andrew, has this since he heard about this report. he said the london fire brigade is horrified to hear about this. it's a report into the brigade saying i think there'll be many staff, decently dedicated, public

servants that will be equally horrified and heartbroken as well. the report looks into different incidents has people saying they were bullied. they were one female firefighter saying she received a video of a colleague sending her inappropriate and more. but of course , a reflection of what's course, a reflection of what's happening in the culture here. and they'll be zero tolerance, according to the commissioner as well. thank very much. that was theo chikomba national reporter outside the lfb headquarters for us . now at outside the lfb headquarters for us. now at least 13 people are missing after a landslide in italy. a number of people to have been killed in the incident on the holiday island of ischia , which has been hit by heavy rain in recent days. however, italy's minister says the deaths haven't been confirmed . haven't been confirmed. emergency services say they're continuing the search and operation as buildings have engulfed by the landslide . train engulfed by the landslide. train cleaners have voted strike over pay cleaners have voted strike over pay in what would the biggest

strike ever in industry? the rail maritime and transport unions say more . a thousand of unions say more. a thousand of its members working for several private contractors backed the industrial action. it says rail strikes by train drivers continue today with more travel disruption expected . members of disruption expected. members of aslef across 11 train operators are walking out a dispute over pay, are walking out a dispute over pay, meaning a significantly reduced service . the death of a reduced service. the death of a man at the manston migrant processing centre may been caused by a bacterial. processing centre may been caused by a bacterial . that's caused by a bacterial. that's according to the home office and investigations underway and the coroner hasn't made a final conclusion on the cause of his death. it's believed man arrived in the uk on a small just a week before he died. the government say they're offering vaccinations for the infection at the manston centre . ukraine's at the manston centre. ukraine's president zelenskyy has hosted has hosted a su security summit with the prime ministers of belgium, poland and lithuania

and the president of hungary. today the united nations is calling for humanitarian aid for people , ukraine, who have been people, ukraine, who have been left without power following russian attacks . it's after russian attacks. it's after president zelenskyy 6 million people are without electricity after the series of rocket earlier on this week. the mayor of ukraine, vitali klitschko , of ukraine, vitali klitschko, says about 70% of households in chaos still have no power . chaos still have no power. meanwhile, protesters , military meanwhile, protesters, military intelligence says russia is removing nuclear warheads from cruise missiles. before them for attacks in ukraine the mod says the move highlights moscow's low stock long—range missiles . stock long—range missiles. england manager gareth southgate played down boos by disappointed fans following the lions draw with the usa in the world cup last night. it means the team missed out on a chance to guarantee a place in the last 16. supporters at a fanzone in south london were furious by the

result throwing cups and spraying drinks . result throwing cups and spraying drinks. england will face wales next, with the latter needing a victory to keep up their chances of making the knockout stages . while former knockout stages. while former england manager allardyce says he still england can win the tournament . there's enough tournament. there's enough experience in the backroom staff, the manager , there's staff, the manager, there's enough experience in the squad . enough experience in the squad. having gone through two tournaments that they've got the tools to win this competition . tools to win this competition. but gareth needs use. the squad to his full potential and that means for me quite a few changes for the next game and yellow warnings are now in place for large parts of the uk. a warning the met office for rain and strong winds will be affecting southern england , wales and southern england, wales and scotland. warnings in wales and england will stay place until 3 am. tomorrow morning . this is a.m. tomorrow morning. this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as . it gb news. we'll bring you more news as. it happens. now it's back to real britain with calvin

robinson . robinson. welcome real britain. here's what's coming up on the show. the office for national statistics estimates that the uk net migration has hit 540,000, the highest ever recorded. secretary suella braverman says the figures are understandable , the figures are understandable, given the circumstances in ukraine, afghanistan and hong kong and considering the generosity of the british people. but the prime minister is now reportedly considering making it harder for international students bring their families to the uk. but will this help kerb the problem . meanwhile, air strikes strikes strikes and more strikes . the strikes and more strikes. the latest announcement of further induced rule action comes from the teachers union, the educational institute of scotland . they join the ever scotland. they join the ever growing list of unions striking this winter . the royal mail this winter. the royal mail nurses and rail unions, among

them , and all fairytales to talk them, and all fairytales to talk four kids in poll, almost half of parents say hansel and gretel is inappropriate , with 90% of is inappropriate, with 90% of people serving as saying they perpetuate gender stereotypes . perpetuate gender stereotypes. do these classics need updating or do these parents need to grow up? that's what we're talking about the next hour. i'd love to know your thoughts. tweet me at gb news or you can email me on web views at gb news dot uk and you can watch is online too on youtube . here we go . it was youtube. here we go. it was revealed week that net migration sought to high of 540,000 in the year to june, a figure to the population of liverpool . downing population of liverpool. downing street says the increase is down to the arrival of hundreds of thousands of refugees from afghanistan hong kong and ukraine as well as post—pandemic travel with an increase in foreign student numbers. however, the high numbers will

nevertheless alarm government with levels far above those seen before the 2016 eu referendum and come a time when labour leader sir keir starmer is beginning to talk tougher on immigration. beginning to talk tougher on immigration . to discuss this, immigration. to discuss this, i'm joined by our international and border control expert , henry and border control expert, henry bolton and political commentator matthew stadlen. henry, i'll start with you, if you don't mind. thank very much for joining us this. what do you make of record high figures? surely they entirely unsustainable . they're shocking. unsustainable. they're shocking. kelvin know, i think we expected the figures to be higher than before. but these figures are absolutely shocking . and yet you absolutely shocking. and yet you ask whether they're sustainable . of course they're not. what we've got now is in the last one. one person, roughly one person in every 133 in these islands arrived 12 months up to june. that's a huge number. and of course, you know, people say, well, they all contribute towards services and so on

through paying taxes. well, a lot of them paying tax . but even lot of them paying tax. but even if they are , then that money is if they are, then that money is not being translate into public services. we're seeing cuts in local government, we're not seeing big investment in policing. i mean, yes they're recruiting more police officers, but they're not opening 600 police that were closed police stations that were closed . there's a housing . so. and there's a housing issue. so answer to your issue. so the answer to your question it's sustainable. question is it's sustainable. the answer is quite simply no. but we have to but then, you know, we have to be a little bit fair on this. i always like to be as fair as i can.the always like to be as fair as i can. the present government, the present ministers, present prime minister aren't themselves directly responsible for the policies that have led to this. for example, ukraine, afghanis stalin and kong policy stalin and hong kong policy related . those were previous related. those were previous ministers. previous ministers who brought about those policies. and we seeing that feed through into overall immigration numbers . feed through into overall immigration numbers. but at feed through into overall immigration numbers . but at the immigration numbers. but at the same time , the fact of the same time, the fact of the matter is that the government doesn't really have control . if doesn't really have control. if the government wanted to say , the government wanted to say, let's reduce these numbers , then

let's reduce these numbers, then there is a whole raft of different procedures and processes and training issues that they've got to address, plus institutional culture within the civil service before actually the system will positively to the direction ministers. and my fear and it's a real fear it's based on knowledge of the knowledge of many of the involved is that quite simply that's not going to happen ministers don't know to how drive that change. they know what they want to achieve, but they have no or experience . they they have no or experience. they don't have the toolkit, if you like , to drive that change like, to drive that change through the civil service . and through the civil service. and that's problem. absolutely that's their problem. absolutely okay. matthew, what do you think? should we be worried about high about these sky high net migration i think migration figures? i think there's much to unpack here. there's so much to unpack here. i wouldn't be able to fit all of it into this first answer. kelvin but i'd say, first of all, this the pictures that all, this that the pictures that we've been watching that we've just been watching that i think there think is somewhat because there are coming on small boats are people coming on small boats on rubber dinghies. now, these people been described as people have been described as invaders. an invasion,

invaders. it's an invasion, according to suella braverman . according to suella braverman. what's fascinating about these figures is the actual number of people coming this country is more like 1.1 million people. thatis more like 1.1 million people. that is a huge number by by on any analysis of those 1.1 million people who came here the year to june , only under 80,000 year to june, only under 80,000 of those applied for asylum . and of those applied for asylum. and that includes people who tried to get here on small boats . so to get here on small boats. so that offers some sorts of perspective constantly to use the phrase used by others being flooded by these sorts of pictures. but actually, the vast majority of people who emigrated to this country over the past year not seeking asylum , a lot year not seeking asylum, a lot of those people were coming on deals, as henry just said , to do deals, as henry just said, to do with ukraine. and it's absolutely right. we help those poor people. they're coming here because of our response towards afghanistan these who helped us in the war against terror. they're coming here because of what the chinese government did to and. the we to hong kong and. the deal we have with people in, hong kong.

so unusually high so this is unusually high figures, all good figures, but they're all good reasons , at least some of reasons, at least for some of them. one of the most them. i think one of the most interesting areas is students, 270 thousand, maybe 277,000 270 odd thousand, maybe 277,000 people in the year to june, came here to try to. now, if you talk to department of education, if you talk to the foreign office, i suspect they will not want to see kerbs on those numbers, because i would they would argue thatis because i would they would argue that is good . our economy in the that is good. our economy in the medium in the longer term. one thing that i do agree with henry on is this. we have be nuanced. we have to be sensible about the way we bring people to this country . it's very, very country. it's very, very important that we have people to do the jobs that need filling at the moment. we are short staffed in we're short staffed in the nhs, we're short staffed in the nhs, we're short staffed in the nhs, we're short staffed in the hospitality industry, but also have respect the fact also have to respect the fact that public services have to keep up with demand. so even though the vast majority of these people will be paying taxes. henry right. to identify problem about pace , about speed problem about pace, about speed of immigration because . if you

of immigration because. if you have too many people coming too quickly , schools, infrastructure quickly, schools, infrastructure , hospitals, gp surgeries and so forth, they can't necessarily keep up. so there's a lot to break down. i think we'll come back to we'll come back to the student point. but matthew mentioned that not everyone coming here seeking coming over here is seeking asylum that's very fact asylum and that's a very fact criticism. there a backlog of criticism. there is a backlog of 143,000 asylum claims in. the system at the moment of them over , 100,000 are on benefits in over, 100,000 are on benefits in the system so they all net beneficiaries of our benefit system of taxpaying system. system of our taxpaying system. henry this this should have been solved. one of main promises solved. one of the main promises of better control of our of brexit better control of our borders. seem be more borders. yet they seem be more porous than ever. does this show brexit in terms of brexit was pointless in terms of controlling borders? but no controlling our borders? but no absolutely not. and i've been saying and i've said previously as well, but you know, brexit has achieved aim what it what the aim of brexit, the purpose of brexit was to gain independence in all of law, government and public administration so that all policies politicians westminster had the freedom to make the

choices and the decisions that were necessary in the uk's best and that included in and of course borders were given as an example of where the uk would gain additional autonomy, if you like , in order to make its own like, in order to make its own decisions regarding . now what decisions regarding. now what we've seen is not a failure of brexit . we've seen is a failure brexit. we've seen is a failure of. our politicians, vision leaders , strategic acumen and leaders, strategic acumen and ability to unite and drive efforts across government. that's the problem . and you that's the problem. and you know, i'm sorry, but when somebody comes with a ten point plan that is not a plan. it is not a strategy . it's just an not a strategy. it's just an easily sold points. but, you know, there no strategy. there is no plan because . the acumen, is no plan because. the acumen, the skills, the toolkit doesn't in of politicians or in the hands of politicians or nowadays in civil servants, but i mean, when we look at the numbers there is no reason why numbers, there is no reason why we cannot reduce the number of students. there is no reason why we can't reduce the number of people across the boats. i don't think realistically expects figures to come down to net zero

but but we do expect there is a. the other thing i would say is in terms of our own workforce, i think this is a very important point in terms of our own. and, you know, do we need skills from outside? yes. but you know, if you come from most countries in the world, your medical, you come from most countries in the world, your medical , for the world, your medical, for example, and your studies will be paid for by your government in the uk that is not the case. so in the uk, if you want to qualify to, be a nurse. you're going to have to pay for most of your training, most of your studies to get that qualification . and then you're qualification. and then you're going have to your going to have to pay your student loan if you come from abroad, you've not any of abroad, you've not got any of that burden . so a that financial burden. so it's a much and you're to get much better and you're to get paid more here probably than you abroad. it's much sort abroad. so it's a much more sort of attractive for of attractive option for a foreign student of medicine to be aiming come to work for the nhs. so through an agency or directly is a uk student directly then it is a uk student and we've got a whole range of things to unpack that in terms of utilising our own workforce. okay, to take it back

okay, so i want to take it back to the student conversation because government because the government has said they cut down the number they want to cut down the number of students coming over of foreign students coming over for i would for low quality degrees. i would ask the question, do we have ask the question, why do we have low degrees for anyone? ask the question, why do we have low we'll degrees for anyone? ask the question, why do we have low we'll getagrees for anyone? ask the question, why do we have low we'll get back; for anyone? ask the question, why do we have low we'll get back t0)r anyone? ask the question, why do we have low we'll get back to that yone? ask the question, why do we have low we'll get back to that .)ne? ask the question, why do we have low we'll get back to that . the but we'll get back to that. the point that if we cut point here is that if we cut matthew foreign matthew if we cut foreign student if put a cap student numbers, if we put a cap on limits of foreign on the limits of foreign students coming over and paying exorbitant our exorbitant amounts to go to our universities we might have to close few university . it might close a few university. it might be with few better be left with a few better universities remaining open. we might reduce the number might have to reduce the number of available, and we of courses available, and we might eventually be able to might then eventually be able to reduce the fees for everyone who goes university. do you think goes to university. do you think that good solution that would be a good solution broadly a fan of university, although think quite although i do think quite snobbish this country. snobbish in this country. i think should think there should a greater focus apprenticeships , focus on apprenticeships, greater i think more credit needs to be given to people who do jobs. now you might get some university academics who say plumbers more we do. plumbers a lot more than we do. what you talking but what are you talking about? but i that we are hindered i do think that we are hindered in this country by snobbishness. if germany, example , if go to germany, for example, there's higher premium put

there's a far higher premium put on manufacturing or making things , making your own stuff as things, making your own stuff as a country and our manufacturing sector has really suffered over decades. and that's partly , i decades. and that's partly, i think, about people looking down their nose at those who do work more with their hands and perhaps the academic side of , perhaps the academic side of, their brains. so i've got some sympathy that on the student issue , something i learn every issue, something i learn every day is a school day for of day is a school day for all of us, it? there's us, isn't it? and there's something i cynicism, something i learned cynicism, aggression and aggression figures came out and that you are an that is that if you are an international student, as i understand you're entitled understand it, you're entitled to bring some dependents or you're entitled to bring some family members. so might be family members. so you might be able your parents, you able to bring your parents, you might be able to bring your children that something perhaps we on, we need to tighten up on, particularly are particularly if those are going to able get free health to be able to get free health care and free education. and so forth. if you come here as a student, suggestion would be student, my suggestion would be you should come alone. you you should come here alone. you should if you want to should study if you want to integrate, want to get integrate, if you want to get a job, end of it, that is job, the end of it, if that is going become easier. because going to become easier. because you universities, you studied at the universities, fantastic. you would contribute to you're going to our economy. you're going to make nation . make us a stronger nation. bringing members. i'm not

bringing family members. i'm not so sure about what one of them really important thing this whole this think whole debate is. this i think the government to be the government has to be responsible and sensible in the way it talks about this. so henry bolton and i disagree about lot. we clash on about a lot. we might clash on twitter and so forth, but this conversation has far is, conversation has so far is, i think, reasonably sensible think, been reasonably sensible and reasonably responsive what is sensible and what is not is not sensible and what is not reasonable is for the home secretary suella braverman just weeks ago, creating a rod for her own back in flaming heights and flaming suspicion , saying we and flaming suspicion, saying we need to drive down and we need to drive down. immigration figures. the tens of thousands we look at look at the look at the what that did to the way that what that did to the way that what that did to the tory party the last 12 years. cameron said in 2010, years. cameron said it in 2010, it's the sky. can't it's pie in the sky. you can't do that a functioning do that and have a functioning economy. what led economy. it's partly what led to brexit and brexit made us brexit and brexit has made us poorer . well, i think back to poorer. well, i think back to that because . that's not the that because. that's not the problem economy is too problem that our economy is too reliant on cheap foreign labour. surely should be upskilling surely we should be upskilling british talent. we should british talent. surely we should be other ways, be looking at other ways, addressing in the gdp

addressing the gap in the gdp rather it with rather plugging it with with cheap immigration . but cheap immigration. but we absolutely should. but i mean, earlier on, you know , the of earlier on, you know, the of this is one of the things that's difficult to cope and it's not only about public services , it's only about public services, it's also about the social situation . and, you know, it's not only that students can bring family members across, it's that most categories of people who just come are coming on anything but a tourist visa can actually bnngin a tourist visa can actually bring in family , particularly if bring in family, particularly if they're working . and then the they're working. and then the language requirement is removed. so there is no no requirement whatsoever , people such as that whatsoever, people such as that to english or to have any sort of introduction to the uk way of life , which is really what makes life, which is really what makes this in general. but i do want to ask you one more question because we were limited on because we were limited on because i'm hearing that we have an system where we an admissible system where we can label asylum seekers as inadmissible if they've travelled a third country, travelled a third safe country, something a lot of us have been campaigning about for we

campaigning about for a long. we already in already have that system in place. however, we haven't sent sent a single asylum seeker back to france as admissible that. that's correct and. part of the reason for that is, as i said earlier the system itself is not being adapted to implement the decisions and the laws that are being being passed . so you know being being passed. so you know when you've got not got the right agreed returns agreement with france how can you return people to france. i've i've argued a long time well over two three years with regards this and how we can put structures in place what they need to be. but it seems nobody listening and it's incredibly frustrating. i mean the whole way process these claims is fundamentally flawed and if you speak to asylum they will tell you the same thing if they're being honest, some of them may be off record, but they will tell that the whole system is dysfunctional . so, you know, is dysfunctional. so, you know, we've got ministers making

decisions we've got laws being passed , but we have not got the passed, but we have not got the systems , the processes, the systems, the processes, the structures to implement them. and that's the problem here kelvin. you know, it's not it's no good a minister saying, right, i want this to happen. we passed a law, let's make it happen. i mean, you can see it in all of different areas in all sorts of different areas work. you know, we've got we've got on animal slaughter, for got on on animal slaughter, for example, cctv every example, we've got cctv in every and slaughterhouse. and every slaughterhouse. but not i know not being monitored. i know that's topic , but that's a different topic, but there point in doing there is no point in doing these things monitoring things if. you're not monitoring the if you them the the results. and if you them the orders are frankly in education to health care. so i think we've come it can actually come out a lot of we've can both very much but international security and border control expert henry bolton commentator bolton and political commentator matthew stadlen plenty . more to matthew stadlen plenty. more to come this afternoon on real britain. the break, britain. after the break, we're talking strikes , nurses, talking strikes, nurses, teachers, , you name it. teachers, rail, you name it. they're all striking and we'll discuss yet more disruption coming down the tracks after the first. let's have a look at the weather weather . okay. now

weather weather. okay. now. let's take a look at the details . a wet evening to come across southwest england. the rain moving east will be heavy at times , which could lead to some times, which could lead to some localised flooding . windy too, localised flooding. windy too, with gales , the coasts, cloudy with gales, the coasts, cloudy skies , southeast england with skies, southeast england with outbreaks , rain moving in from outbreaks, rain moving in from the west . the rain could turn the west. the rain could turn heavy at especially later . heavy heavy at especially later. heavy rain is expected across southern wales this evening, leading to the risk of flooding strong winds, continuing bouts on the mild side. a cloudy evening across the midlands with an increasing of rain. the wind also picking up for many mild this time of the year with temperatures generally still in the double figures a wet end to the double figures a wet end to the day across northern england as heavy parts of rain continue to move in from west, winds picking up these bursts over the hills . temperatures around ten

hills. temperatures around ten celsius. further heavy rain for southern parts of scotland in particular this evening, perhaps a few drier interludes at times fall with temperatures around ten degrees celsius turning dner. ten degrees celsius turning drier. northern ireland this evening as the rain clears east. i think heavy moving in from the west, which could be accompanied by further strong and gusty winds. the wind and rain will continue to sweep eastwards overnight . that is how you overnight. that is how you weather is shaping up .

welcome back to real britain . welcome back to real britain. the online on your digital radio . the so—called winter of discontent shows no sign of thawing after . the royal college thawing after. the royal college of nursing announced on friday morning that nurses across england and northern ireland will go on strike on the 15th

and the 20th of december. over their pay dispute with the government. meanwhile, firefighters could be set to join nurses on picket line after the fire brigades union rejected a 5% pay increase and will begin balloting its members on strike action on december the fifth. and who to discuss this than firefighter trade unionist paul embery . first of all, paul, embery. first of all, paul, thank you so much for joining this saturday. can you tell us you think firefighters are consider in the strike action and whether you yourself would consider going strike . yeah. consider going on strike. yeah. hi, calvin. i will be voting to strike action in the ballot . strike action in the ballot. that's about to take place. being held by the fire brigades union. i will do that. very reluctant . i think all reluctant. i think all firefighters will that reluctantly. i'm pretty sure there's going to be a yes vote in that ballot. and the reason calvin is that people in the fire service just as are really struggling make ends meet at the

moment i mean for fighters as you know who are on the during the pandemic certainly also dunng the pandemic certainly also during the recent wildfires and firefighters, i think just a bit angry, are constantly being praised by politicians . but then praised by politicians. but then when it comes to giving a decent pay when it comes to giving a decent pay rise, that's all. there's not enough for you. we were originally 2, which was rejected. the employers, the national fire service, employers then increased up to 5. but obviously with current rate of inflation that nowhere near to meeting what we need to have you able to address the cost of living crisis. so, you know, even at this stage as a ballot is about to begin , would urge is about to begin, would urge that the employers and the government to ensure that sufficient to give firefighters frankly what they're worth appreciate all that everyone deserves to be paid a good wage for a good day's work. deserves to be paid a good wage for a good day's work . however, for a good day's work. however, are you not concerned about the impact the strike by firefighters might on firefighters might have on pubuc firefighters might have on public safety . yes. and i don't

public safety. yes. and i don't know. a single firefighter , know. a single firefighter, calvin, who won't be wrestling with their conscience when they come to vote in that. i mean, it really is an agonising decision to have take. i've been a firefighter for 25 years. i've strike action previously , never strike action previously, never doneit strike action previously, never done it lightly. it's never been easy thing to do. you do it when you feel really that you've got no other option, that this this dispute has been going on for about months and have tried time and time again to say to the government and the employers, look, you need to come up with more funding. i know firefighters who are worried about buying their kids christmas presents issue . i've christmas presents issue. i've never known a firefighter to say that me before. in 25 years. i know firefighters are worried about paying their energy bills, paying about paying their energy bills, paying their mortgages. now when you consider that we are these people day in, day out to their lives, on the line to protect the public, it's not much, surely, to ask the firefighters shouldn't ever find themselves in that predicament, nor should any worker, frankly where they're worrying about buying

their christmas paying their kids christmas and paying their kids christmas and paying their . and that's their mortgages. and that's what's made people angry. just the feeling that they're being undervalued . and i say as well, undervalued. and i say as well, can't we you know, we see constantly told there isn't enough money there. but actually people at the top end of the scale to be doing very well . scale to be doing very well. thank you very much. you know, some people very well out with the pandemic. bonuses the pandemic. we see bonuses going see executives pay going up. we see executives pay increasing. some of the increasing. we see some of the corporations recording record . corporations recording record. so the money that to be so the money is that to be found. it just takes the will on the part of government. i think that's all well and good, but these big fat city people these big fat cat city people are on money rather than are on private money rather than taxpayers and obviously taxpayers money. and obviously there's so much taxpayer's there's only so much taxpayer's money around. all money go around. and we're all struggling now. i struggling right now. i understand brigades understand the fire brigades union rejected an offer of a 5% pay union rejected an offer of a 5% pay rise. how big pay rise would be acceptable and you think be acceptable and do you think it reached ? well the it can be reached? well the union hasn't tabled a definitive figure . what the union has said figure. what the union has said is that we need a pay rise that addresses cost of living crisis

and the crippling effect that that's having our members . i that's having our members. i mean what we do know is it has to something well about 5% when we had an ballot a few weeks ago on that 5% offer it was something like as is 78% of firefighters rejected on a on a very high turnout, 79 per sent out. so that shows really the strength ceiling and as i said you know i don't know a single fire who would take action as a first resort. you don't join the fire service to withdraw you join the fire service to protect people . we know what it means people. we know what it means when withdraw ally, but we'll when we withdraw ally, but we'll be taking risk . you know, be taking that risk. you know, our families as well will our own families as well will obviously subject that. obviously be subject to that. risks so always much risks so it's always very much a last resort. but as i said , even last resort. but as i said, even at this late stage , strike at this late stage, strike action need not happen . but it action need not happen. but it just means that government, action need not happen. but it just means that government , the just means that government, the national fire service, employers, need put something on the that recognises this the table that recognises this the table that recognises this the work that firefighters in 5% comes nowhere near so that in the situation

the current economic situation paul a lot of us are worried because not just firefighters striking, teachers it's striking, it's teachers it's nurses it's the royal mail and it's the train lines and it's this possibly coordinated. it feels country going to feels like the country going to be crippled winter . no, i be crippled this winter. no, i mean, i don't think there's kind of special coordination going on. i think what's happening is in trade unions, i'll respond . in trade unions, i'll respond. the situation they're looking at the rate of inflation and they're looking at the impact that that's having on their members, many of them struggling to make ends meet and as you would expect, a trade to union do they're all on do that they're all on individual basis saying that this is not we we need this is not we need we need more. i mean , think, know, more. i mean, i think, you know, of trade unions will of course, trade unions will organise each other to try organise with each other to try to maximise the effects of industrial action. but no trade union, i don't think is kind of being dragged into inveigled into some overall strategy against their will. and you know, the other point i would make, we're about to head into the potentially very long and deep recession. i think the last

thing we need to be doing in a recession is holding down pay. actually because that's going to make the situation worse . it's make the situation worse. it's going to it's going to have a detrimental impact on the economy. it's going to suffocate economic activity. that in itself will deplete tax revenues with the potential that unemployed element is going to go unemployed element is going to 9° up unemployed element is going to go up . that's going to create go up. that's going to create potentially an even bigger deficit. i mean, you cannot cut your way out of the recession. i think history tells that. so think history tells us that. so purely an economic purely from an economic point of view, the view, i think what the government doing in terms of government is doing in terms of trying the lid pay as we trying to keep the lid pay as we go into a recession is not a wise do. i think wise thing to do. i think completely actually completely and actually literally counterproductive . literally counterproductive. thank you for your enlightening perspective that is firefighter and unionist and bring you and trade unionist and bring you all with gb news on tv and on radio. and after the break , all radio. and after the break, all fairytales to talk kids . radio. and after the break, all fairytales to talk kids. in a poll, almost half of parents , poll, almost half of parents, hansel and gretel is . in with hansel and gretel is. in with 90% of people surveyed saying they perpetuate gender stereotypes. do these classics need updating or do these

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welcome back to real britain on gb news on tv, online and on your radio. rising in the mail onune your radio. rising in the mail online this week, columnist peter says that the so—called sabotage of grammar schools dunng sabotage of grammar schools during the 1960s made britain less equal and course grammar schools the true pioneers of levelling up a ban on opening of new grammar schools, has been in place 1998. but the sabotage beganin place 1998. but the sabotage began in the 1960s when labour politician anthony crosland, was an education, and then he reportedly was hell bent on destroying every grammar school in the country . so destroying every grammar school in the country. so are destroying every grammar school in the country . so are they the in the country. so are they the true pioneers of levelling up and should we bring them back ? and should we bring them back? joining me now to discuss this is peter hitchens himself. peter, you joining us. can peter, thank you joining us. can you first of begin by you just, first of all, begin by

outlining think grammar outlining why you think grammar are true pioneers of are the true pioneers of levelling up ? it's very simple. levelling up? it's very simple. they did was they allowed children , poor homes to obtain children, poor homes to obtain the best education possible . the best education possible. they didn't do this as widely. they didn't do this as widely. they could have done it because help was they didn't get at the time that they were already having an enormous effect in the 20 brief years when they existed this country in bringing many people into the professions and into areas life who previously excluded from because there were no by which they could rise to the top and fully use their talents and the nation also lost the chance because they struggled to drown in schools where they could not succeed. and that also that study is over and the comprehensive experiment and the comprehensive experiment and they will have to drive again. and so now lose an enormous amount of talent. again. and so now lose an enormous amount of talent . the enormous amount of talent. the same time, there are thousands of individual girls who

of individual boys, girls who cannot get the education that chance would actually would actually suggest that they chance would actually would deserve. and if you're going to choose all good schools or selected in one way or another, if you're to choose who goes to the good schools, it seems to me it's far better to choose on the bafis it's far better to choose on the basis of ability than the way we use now, which is the basis of private wealth . but it's not private wealth. but it's not shall offer the age much . every shall offer the age much. every child in the country who's going to a state school has his or her decided arbitrarily and forever on the basis of their parents postcode . and this is bizarrely postcode. and this is bizarrely what these supposedly, supposedly socially concerned wing of this country actually support selection of by wealth for the better schools . i think for the better schools. i think it would be far better if we returned. i don't think it's likely. i to say, but it would also be far if it were such the much more fair and rational system of selecting children for best schools on the basis of their ability to benefit from absolutely . it does seem to me

absolutely. it does seem to me that the argument people make against grammar is based on the 11 plus itself, on the entry criteria. how do you respond to that. criteria. how do you respond to that . what's wrong with that ? that. what's wrong with that? but has been much attacked . it but has been much attacked. it was in some ways a rather noble to remove prejudice from the selection children who'd had many faults some of which was straightforward unscientific and a raw understanding of the nature of intelligence . the nature of intelligence. the others course the difficulty that any arbitrary test is bound to be unfair to some people. most except my favourite. i don't think that 11 is the right age and. i think the german system is germany's very much has selective state in our schools. the german system of selection by assessment is . it's selection by assessment is. it's not essentially the schools to have the 11 plus and it's a diversion from the real which is do you prefer our ability or wealth to decide who goes to the best schools and who gets the best schools and who gets the best in the country ? there've best in the country? there've been a lot of critics saying that there's actually no

difference . grammar schools and difference. grammar schools and comprehensives in terms of results anyway. but i saw in your mailonline article you had some evidence that shows some clear evidence that shows the large the otherwise with a large sample . i don't see how sample size. i don't see how anyone maintain as the anyone could maintain as the it's happened the most obvious way for those of us who've lived through it which we can see this is that the examinations this is that the examinations in this country be watered country have had to be watered down and divided to such an extent with who engage extent to cope with who engage in old o—levels and a—levels in the old o—levels and a—levels as protocol to be much, much as the protocol to be much, much tougher and require much, much rigorous application of the current ones do. that's not fault of the children who take them. they're not to be blamed for the fact that they're taking substandard exams with the whole curriculum. no basis secondary education in this country and of course as a result primary education used to work towards getting people into grammar schools whole basis of schools with the whole basis of our education been by our state. education has been by the introduction of comprehensive . these schools comprehensive. these schools themselves are often weather and welfare bastions of privilege. this is saying. so it's the it's to sutton trust and teach first

who've done a survey showing that the congress is a deeply socially selective as indeed a much value is for starts going on about it as indeed are the remaining grammar schools which are mainly in welfarism totally besieged by middle class parents to avoid paying besieged by middle class parents to avoid payin g £200,000 in tax to avoid paying £200,000 in tax income to private school . right. income to private school. right. so is the problem here? not that we've lost track of how to be aspirational and we've lost track of how to thrive towards success and in fact, we're looking more to be in that all schools have to be equally poor . well, i don't think anybody would set the dodgers that objective, that all schools would be for the original utopians decided to push for growth schools. many of them actually paid a communist over the capital. see what we're doing so in the genuine belief that they would make a better society a more equal. by doing this, the is over the 50 years of experience it shows that they

wrong. it was a mistake. now, if you were in a car with somebody and you took a wrong turn off the m25 and was aiming for manchester, then you realise from the signs that he was heading for the channel and for belgium and then for you surely say, look, you've made a mistake and would surely say, well actually certainly the time you reach warsaw he'd begin to recognise he wasn't going to get to manchester. but the problem with comprehensive it with the comprehensive it fanatics they refuse to fanatics is they refuse to recognise . it the mistake. recognise. it is the mistake. they pretend because there are huge numbers people are huge numbers of people are getting certificates which are about as devalued as zimbabwe. dollar means that . education has dollar means that. education has improved, but anyhow they won't admit the mistake and. until they do admit the mistake. they'll carry on driving. they get speaking. it's absurd. the way which left have made so way in which left have made so many of these mistakes. educational, social and governmental in general the past 50 years. and they cannot see that they've got it wrong . the that they've got it wrong. the dogma is the dogma way above the

facts. absolute thank you very much for that. peter hitchens , much for that. peter hitchens, columnist at the mail on sunday to read his article on this because it was spot. now joining me is political commentator matthew with with me in matthew stadlen with with me in the studio. matthew, what are your on grammar your thoughts on grammar schools? will schools? i tend to think will disagree on this one. what i'm not i totally agree with not sure i totally agree with all pizza's premise is but my all of pizza's premise is but my sense and it's very difficult i think to the quality of education across the board because so much of is anecdotal. my because so much of is anecdotal. my anecdotally is education is getting in this country state school is getting better. who we thank for that if i'm right, do we think the new labour government because reforms take time to come through or do we think the tory government of the last 12 years is very difficult know? my sense is things are getting better . do i know? my sense is things are getting better. do i support social mobility? absolutely i think you, peter and i would all agree that. the more children that we can drag up the hierarchy in this in this

country from poorer backgrounds, the better. the question is of all, how do you achieve that? all schools definitively better at doing that than the comprehensives of today. that's the first question. i'm not sure i totally agree that grammar schools would achieve result. the second thing is a caveat . the second thing is a caveat. although we absolutely want to move poorer kids up the social tree up the ladder, we don't want to leave people behind. and the worry is and peter is no longer here, but he would dispute the worry is that the old secondary moderns we're not quite a race the bottom but with absolutely leaving a lot of children in their millions behind. so he promised schools he arrive he did address this in his article and actually the evidence suggests that both grammar secondary grammar schools and secondary moderns both before outperformed comprehends. moderns both before outperformed comprehends . so think going comprehends. so i think going back to what you said earlier about a renewed on about having a renewed on vocational on technical vocational learning on technical skills abilities and getting skills and abilities and getting of that snobbery that everyone has that would the has to be that would help the situation a lot if we could say, look, these are technical

colleges fine, that's colleges and that's fine, that's fantastic even of people fantastic. even a lot of people aren't supposed go aren't supposed to go to university and hear all the grammar for people with grammar schools for people with the ability on the academic ability to go on into further education, that might lot our might solve a lot of our problems. in skills problems. actually in the skills shortage have. i the shortage that we have. i the article a very interesting article it's a very interesting i it's very persuasive in i mean, it's very persuasive in many ways. i think peter is many ways. and i think peter is looking evidence final looking at evidence in the final ten before schools ten years before grammar schools started out that labour started to be out by that labour government and in the 1960s, i'm not sure how that is . not sure how that is. absolutely. we need to we need to focus much more than we do on technical abilities and up that gives status people who make our economy the sorts of people who fix our homes who build our homes and so forth, their absolute is valuable as people who are teaching classics at university as valuable as tv presenters or producers, but also such as yourself, covid i'm just not convinced that people are told they're failures effectively, not essential at the age of 11 or possibly even 13, if you raised and peter said

in his article he might i think, move it up to 13. you don't people to have that sense of failure at that age and is too young to say to people okay right giving on you right we're giving up on you academically going to academically are we're going to channel the problem academically are we're going to chyou're the problem academically are we're going to chyou're arguing the problem academically are we're going to chyou're arguing against problem academically are we're going to chyou're arguing against the)lem academically are we're going to chyou're arguing against the 115m is you're arguing against the 11 plus rather than comprehensive being selective on being which is selective on academic ability. we could have different wouldn't different routes and it wouldn't necessarily the 11 necessarily have to be the 11 plus quickly in my plus just very quickly in my area, engaging. area, notting hill is engaging. i area, notting hill is engaging. | , area, notting hill is engaging. i , people think it's a rich i mean, people think it's a rich area isn't incredibly area because it isn't incredibly diverse. and there some really, really state schools that i really good state schools that i intend send my children if intend to send my children if i'm enough for them get i'm lucky enough for them to get in area. the idea in by catchment area. the idea is purely a postcode lottery , is purely a postcode lottery, the state system. i also know it's not not going many good state schools for boys are good opfions state schools for boys are good options for girls, but not for boys. but the schools i'm talking about are mixed. well if you their rating you look at their ofsted rating and you look at their grade results gcse and a—level, results for gcse and a—level, they're that good. mixed results for gcse and a—level, they'rtherethat good. mixed results for gcse and a—level, they'rthere are good. mixed results for gcse and a—level, they'rthere are some mixed results for gcse and a—level, they'rthere are some good�*nixed results for gcse and a—level, they'rthere are some good state ones. there are some good state girl that area, but girl schools in that area, but that's need that's the problem. we need more choice parents lots choice for parents anyway. lots of getting in of you have been getting in touch about these topics touch today about these topics and immigration

and alan says on immigration numbers stupid government numbers what stupid government officials was good officials thought it was a good idea allow students to come idea to allow students to come to to and to this country to study and bnng to this country to study and bring family members bring up to four family members with ibiza insanity. the with them. ibiza insanity. the level in the government and level of in the government and civil service staggering. alan i have to add to that because you just articulated my perfectly. elizabeth on training british workers says i do not feel that we invest anywhere enough in apprenticeships or training for people in the over 50 age group. lip service often paid to it, but it's it is scare is a scare of scarce. if you can work if you can find work, the cost of doing so is often prohibitive. yep, it is a problem. we do need to talk more about how retrain especially our certain are dying out down on the firefighter strike says if anyone is paid by the taxpayer should not be allowed to strike. if don't like it, they can go and see what is what it's like in the real world private sector. employees have no not not entirely true. i no such not not entirely true. i get where you're coming from . i get where you're coming from. i get where you're coming from. i get your intention. but at the same time we do people in these roles. we do need to make

roles. so we do need to make sure and in a sure they're paid well. and in a respectable see respectable field. but i see you coming from now . new research coming from now. new research from the charity centrepoint suggests there are 86,000 young from the charity centrepoint sugges' experiencing 6,000 young from the charity centrepoint sugges'experiencing homelessness people experiencing homelessness in the uk, with 8500 of them in the west midlands alone in birmingham . of them turn towards birmingham. of them turn towards local charities like basil's and every year they host a big event called the big sleep out to raise tens of thousands of pounds for our youth homelessness prevention . what homelessness prevention. what our reporter jack carlson went to long last night to find out more an annual event since 1990 st basil's big sleep out challenges people to sleep rough night in an effort to raise for the campaign to prevent youth homelessness in birmingham. it's a night which easily raises thousands of pounds for the charity every year ahead of fundraise ing. barry hodge says the never been more the event has never been more important. this our flagship fundraiser, the race is the most the money of all the events that we the year and we do throughout the year and ultimately us be able to ultimately allows us be able to provide support provide that much needed support for in for young people living in the west and people west midlands and for people here tonight doing it. what can

expect. i can see tens the boxes. what have we got ? it's boxes. what have we got? it's one of those bizarre events that it's a coming together of people from all walks of life. we've got skills here tonight. we've got skills here tonight. we've got faith groups that he hasn't got faith groups that he hasn't got corporates out here got big corporates out here tonight people from tonight. we've got people from local they're local government. they're tonight they are taking part in this it's a bringing this event. it's a bringing together because people are unhed together because people are united of united in this stance of homeless. they should be homeless. they should not be part up . they part of growing up. they should not our society . so not be part of our society. so to ultimately what they'll experience tonight the first experience tonight for the first half, that's very half, it will be that's very relaxed, . relaxed, friendly atmosphere. but the is, when midnight but the truth is, when midnight kicks this starts kicks in and this event starts proper, reality of thing proper, the reality of thing that are trying to prevent. that we are trying to prevent. well, tell you well, again, and i'll tell you something law , people will something for a law, people will do this event. it's not the actual where actual doing. the event where the and it's the realisation kicks and it's about where they get home. they have against their have a shower and against their own they're own bed and realise that they're not to have to again not going to have to do it again tonight. and that's the moment we're the we're stuck in our head for. the people get given people here all get given cardboard and plastic sheeting to create their own accommodation the and accommodation for the nights and people with people get pretty creative with their too . but behind people get pretty creative with theibox, too . but behind people get pretty creative with theibox, there'so . but behind people get pretty creative with theibox, there's a. but behind people get pretty creative with theibox, there's a more 3ehind people get pretty creative with theibox, there's a more serious the box, there's a more serious reason why people take part . we

reason why people take part. we wanted come to show a how it wanted to come to show a how it is like being living on the streets , a homeless person and streets, a homeless person and like how they have to like use cardboard and they can't actually have like a proper roof over their heads because they don't have enough money . so it don't have enough money. so it just felt like a really good thing today for us together to do something that obviously affects people in our community . and you can see what it's like for them. charity for them. the charity centrepoint , the 33% increase in centrepoint, the 33% increase in the homeless population , england the homeless population, england by 2024 as birmingham is the youngest city in the country. many the people that fall into it here will age below 24. it's why is it basil's focus is so much of its work on prevention andifs much of its work on prevention and it's really refocus and where the priorities are as a country we tend to focus crisis and the old saying goes of you always focus on crisis all you're ever going to get is crisis so. so the issues that we are trying to resolve are much further upstream. so we're working schools in

working in schools working in colleges. mean, i'll give colleges. i mean, i'll give you a quick was at school a quick example. i was at school today. the young people today. talk to the young people up out of homelessness because know when know if we catch people when things to maybe apart, we things to maybe fall apart, we can up can prevent them from ending up in situation to have to in a situation going to have to rely charity those who rely on a charity like those who rely on a charity like those who rely know, local or you rely on, you know, local or you know, know and always know, you know and always because ultimately that what because ultimately that is what we're that's what we're trying to this to achieve. many people this christmas be on brink christmas will be on the brink of becoming if do of becoming homeless if do charities basil's thanks charities like st basil's thanks to donations from people at like this, who'll be there to them? jack carson gb news. thank you very much, jack . now, according very much, jack. now, according to a new survey, more than 40% of brits under the age of 30 believe that traditional fairy tales such as hansel and gretel and little red riding hood are inappropriate for children . as inappropriate for children. as many as 90% of those surveyed said that fairy tales too old fashioned and to be read as bedtime stories and. 89% said they perpetuated stereotypes. hansel and gretel, in which two children rose to cannibalism , children rose to cannibalism, witch to death in her own oven

was deemed the most inappropriate members of generation z, with 46% saying it was an inner appropriate bedtime story to break down the story , story to break down the story, i'm joined by john milbank, emma . emeritus professor of theology and studies at the university of nottingham. good to see you, john.thank nottingham. good to see you, john. thank you forjoining us. john. thank you for joining us. i just can't get my head i can't i just can't get my head around this or you just break this for me, please. the this down for me, please. the findings that findings of survey show that a lot people under the lot of young people under the age 30 understand the age of 30 don't understand the role in the lives role of fiction in the lives of children . i think it's children. i think it's incredibly disturbing. it suggests people are totally alienated from their own culture . they no longer understand what fiction means and above all. they no longer understand children because children don't discover danger from stories. children already know about danger to children or ready have to overcome fears. and children role playing. and extending their imagination . and it's part

their imagination. and it's part of their practising for. it's part of the wonder thing about what are and these very very traditional stories are the products of centuries of distilled collective wisdom are exact . what help them to do exact. what help them to do that. they that kind of dusky that. they that kind of dusky that exists between daytime and twilight between the conscious and the unconscious between , the and the unconscious between, the earthly and the other. and that's exactly why they need to be read to a bedtime . be read to a bedtime. absolutely. fairy tales meant to be adopted and passed down to the generation. that's the purpose of tradition, isn't it. but the problem here not the but is the problem here not the generation that not respect generation that do not respect or the importance tradition . or the importance of tradition. yeah well but that's the problem. i mean the idea that they necessarily know better

than you know accumulated generation of wisdom is just peculiar . generation of wisdom is just peculiar. and this doesn't necessarily mean that we agree about everything that that, you know we don't agree about everything in shakespeare, you know, for example . yet that know, for example. yet that doesn't mean that he doesn't have something to teach us . and have something to teach us. and sometimes it's the very otherness of these stories that that and i think it's significant that children are really more home in a world of kings and queens and terrorism princesses than they are the modern world because there a sense in which children have repeat the childhood of the human race if you like . so they human race if you like. so they first of all and stand symbols and metropoles they understand abstract concepts . and to abstract concepts. and to depnve abstract concepts. and to deprive them of all that is appalling. and it's also it's good for adults. we to go back to these metaphoric pull roots

of our understanding of reality . absolutely and the ability to take on different . it's an take on different. it's an interaction . well, thank you interaction. well, thank you very much for that. john millbank, emeritus professor of theology and religious studies at the university of nottingham . you are watching britain . . you are watching britain. plenty more coming up in today's show . but first, here is a short show. but first, here is a short break . we are gb news the break. we are gb news the people's channel rights across the united kingdom . you can find the united kingdom. you can find us on sky channel 512 virgin media channel 2604 freesat channel 216 freeview channel 236 and youview channel 236. you can also take us with you on dab+ with the gb news app and at the website gbnews.uk. we're absolutely everywhere. join us on gb news the people's channel, britain's .

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institutionally and racist. our national reporter, theo kumba is outside the lfb headquarters for us. theo, what can you tell us about this new report ? that's about this new report? that's right. well, nazeer afzal , the right. well, nazeer afzal, the former chief prosecutor and prosecutor for the north—west and, his team of eight, looked into the culture here at the london fire over a ten month period, looking into what's been happening here in practise now, just to give you one example, a muslim man he was constantly bullied about his religion and had bacon and sausages put in his coat pockets and a terrorist hotline assigned outside of his locker. now, in response the london fire brigade commissioner, andy rae , has commissioner, andy rae, has accepted this review and has said it's unacceptable. and there will be consequences for staff going into the future . staff going into the future. there have been 23 recommendations given in this report looking into how they can build a system , takes

build a system, takes complaints, takes them on and ensures that this doesn't happen and those people can be taken out of the system . and as well a out of the system. and as well a system where they can spot red flags as well. and just finally , afzal spoke in a press conference briefly today and he this five fire brigade staff are saying they aren't safe then. neither are we. thank theo chikomba, our national reporter there for us. well commissioner roh has vowed to change the culture. and welcome to the recommendation made by the review . we are going to conduct review. we are going to conduct a five year case review . so we a five year case review. so we look back across all those cases, those terrible behaviours as examples of bullying and harassment which had been considered afb and put them back through that external accreditation process. and what do we expect some people to be dismissed as a result. we will become the first service in the country to wear body worn video cameras to ensure both the safety of our own staff and to reassure the public. so these are examples of what we're doing

immediately , at least 13, people immediately, at least 13, people are missing after a landslide in italy. no deaths have been confirmed, according to italy's government, but a number of people appear to have been killed in the incident on the houday killed in the incident on the holiday island. ischia which has been hit by heavy rain in recent days. emergency services say they're continuing the search and rescue as buildings have been engulfed . the landslide been engulfed. the landslide train cleaners have voted to strike over pay in what would be the biggest in of action in the industry the rail, maritime and transport unions say more than a thousand of its members working for several private contractors backed the industrial action . backed the industrial action. it's israel strikes by train drivers continue today with more travel expected members of aslef across 11 train operators are walking out in a dispute over pay, walking out in a dispute over pay, meaning a significantly reduced service . ukraine's reduced service. ukraine's president zelensky has hosted a food security summit with the

prime ministers of belgium. poland and lithuania and the president of hungary today. this comes the united nations is calling for the humanitarian aid for people ukraine who have been left without power following russian attacks . it's after russian attacks. it's after president zelenskyy . 6 million president zelenskyy. 6 million people are without electricity after the series of rocket attacks earlier on this week. the mayor ukraine, vitali klitschko says , about 70% of klitschko says, about 70% of households in chaos still have no power . meanwhile, british no power. meanwhile, british intelligence says russia is removing nuclear warheads from old cruise before using them for attacks in ukraine. the says the move highlights moscow's low stock of long—range missiles missiles . stock of long—range missiles missiles. england manager gareth played down boos by disappointed fans following the lions draw with usa in the world cup night. it means the team out on a chance to guarantee a place in the last 16. supporters at a fanzone in south london appeared

unhappy. fanzone in south london appeared unhappy . the result? throwing unhappy. the result? throwing cups and spraying drinks. england face wales next with the latter needing a victory to keep out their chances , making the out their chances, making the knockout stages . former england knockout stages. former england manager sam allardyce , he's manager sam allardyce, he's still hopeful. england can win the tournament . enough the tournament. enough experience in backroom staff. the manager has enough experience in the squad now , experience in the squad now, having gone through two tournaments that they've gone the tools to win this competition . but gareth needs , competition. but gareth needs, to use the squad to its full potential and that means for me quite a few changes for the next game and a flashdance in fame singer irene cara has passed away at the of 63 . he . away at the of 63. he. the and grammy winning musician is best known for singing and co—writing the song flashdance. what a feeling . her publicist announced feeling. her publicist announced her passing in her florida home

on twitter. the cause of death still unknown . this is gb news. still unknown. this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as. it happens. now it's back to real britain . calvin . britain. calvin. welcome to real britain with me. calvin robinson . here's what's calvin robinson. here's what's coming up on the show. sir keir starmer has pledged that labour will cut taxes for working people when the economy stabilises . people when the economy stabilises. he also people when the economy stabilises . he also says he will stabilises. he also says he will not seek a swiss style post—brexit trade with the eu and says we must win our economy off. immigration is his recipe to win back the working class votes . and later on, it's been votes. and later on, it's been that some of the uk's top scientists , including sir scientists, including sir patrick vallance , were warned patrick vallance, were warned that covid 19 could have evolved in a lab, but decided not to investigate of any further activity suppressed the lab leak

theory and we will discuss that that according to a new report the london fire brigade is institutionally misogynistic and racist . the report found that a racist. the report found that a black firefighter had a noose placed in his work locker and a female firefighter was sent a video of a male colleague exposing himself. i'll be asking what can we learn from this report? and that's what we're talking about for next hour. i'd love to know your thoughts. tweet at gb news or you can me gbviews@gbnews.uk. you can watch us online too on youtube . don't us online too on youtube. don't forget facebook. you'll find lots of brilliant content on the gb news page . let's go . sir keir gb news page. let's go. sir keir starmer this week made a series of policy which will undoubtably and him to former labour voters in so—called red wall. he pledged to cut taxes for working when the economy stabilises . he when the economy stabilises. he rejected a swiss style trade

deal with the eu and said this is no time for a scottish independence referendum. and earlier this , he told the earlier this, he told the confederation of british industry that britain end its economic dependence , cheap economic dependence, cheap migrant labour. so i'm asking can labour win back the working class now ? me is dr. philip class now? me is dr. philip kissel who is a cultural historian and, lecturer at the university of leeds, and also be seen on new cultural forum . and seen on new cultural forum. and political commentator matthew stotland . can keir starmer win stotland. can keir starmer win the working class? let's start with you philip . well, i think with you philip. well, i think it's the you know the election is his to lose. it's the you know the election is his to lose . i would say i is his to lose. i would say i think that's probably the best way to look at it. i don't think he can win back the working class because i don't think they trust him. they certainly trust him on the economy. there's been a poll out over the last couple weeks that says that and they don't him on culture either he he's got this two pronged attack one on the economy all of the things that you've just said but

they don't trust him but also on culture. let's just bear culture. but let's just bear in mind is mystery. mind what he is. he is mystery. you know, he's the remain a kid . and that's what people think of him as . and he's you know, of him as. and he's you know, he's he's saying that the labour party is the party that's going to support women. yeah this is the person who can't identify what woman is he can't actually say that a woman is an adult human . so i think a lot of this human. so i think a lot of this stuff, one comes down to trust. okay. and no matter what he says i don't think that people will support him. that's not it's not to say that they trust the conservative party . my god. they conservative party. my god. they don't. they shouldn't . but i don't. and they shouldn't. but i think over all the kind of factors will into play. i think the smaller parties will will have a much bigger role this time. i think particularly the sdp and reclaim. okay but there's also the kind of wild card. i was looking the telegraph i'm just looking now i mentioned earlier that a quarter

almost a quarter of people would vote for a nigel farage led party. so i think all eyes are on your colleague . and what's he on your colleague. and what's he going to do? because i that will make a massive difference. so as i said at the beginning of this, it's to lose. yeah and he probably i'm also sitting waiting to see what my will do. matthew stadlen is this all rhetoric from sir keir starmer or will he actually win back the red seats ? first of all, on your red seats? first of all, on your colleague, sir keir starmer, he used to be a colleague of mine when lbc when we were both lbc presenters. this a man who presenters. this is a man who i think an mp himself think ran to be an mp himself for what he did at seven time. i mean, nigel farage eight times. nigel farage. exactly and he didn't get elected as an mp, so he was an mep. he's undoubtedly in some one of the most successful politicians i do disagree with. many of the things come out of his massive, successful . they successful politician. they failed and time and time failed time and time and time again to become an mp, even when brexit was a live issue. even in the build up to brexit

referendum in 2016. so that poll may have some substance . i'm not may have some substance. i'm not so sure. i don't think nigel farage will re—enter frontline politics. i'm sure he's comfortable enough in the studio . well, i'll say about keir starmer, is this the british pubuc starmer, is this the british public want stability ? they want public want stability? they want to be able to afford their heating. they want to be able to afford mortgages, they want to be able to afford food. that's what we all want we won't be able to put food on that table. we don't to have to choose between heating eating, between heating and eating, whether you're working class, middle class, middle class, upper whatever happen upper class, whatever you happen to is at the heart of to be that is at the heart of everyday. the conservatives have had 12 years at this and we are in an almost i'm precedented mess, an unprecedented mess in modern times anyway , rishi sunak modern times anyway, rishi sunak has done something to steady the ship . i'll has done something to steady the ship. i'll give him that and he's done that with jeremy hunt as chancellor, and they will be tougher egg to crack. i think starmer than either liz truss or

the populism of boris johnson, given how boris johnson's staff fell in recent months and you say he is as well. so not an easy challenge for but i think he can do and i think he can do it for this reason. people are fed up things not working and. yes, as i say, sunak has done something to mend the bridge, but i don't think he's done enoughin but i don't think he's done enough in terms the eu point. yes, storm has some ground to make up because undoubtedly some of those red wall seats fell to bofis of those red wall seats fell to boris johnson. not just of the toxicity of jeremy corbyn. i think corbyn was toxic, but because of the brexit issue and as our other guest says, just now is absolutely true that starmer was seen as mr. eu. he's had to adapt and i think he's adapted both in ridding the party of the toxicity of the corbynites ridding the party of the spectre antisemitism. but he's also adapted on migration , he's also adapted on migration, and i hope we can believe him that he is committed to upskilling people who already

live here where. i might diverge for him from him is that he needs to be bolder in making the case that for economy to function as we're talking earlier on your show for the economy to function we do in the short term at least need people coming from abroad otherwise nhs will continue to be on it's on its knees and our hospitality amongst others, i would argue is on its knees because we have so much coming up. i'll come back to in a minute, philip, to you in a minute, philip, because ask matthew because i do want to ask matthew on this while we're talking about economy, i like the about the economy, i like the policies, that policies, i like the idea that labour for working labour cut taxes for working people. to me. people. sounds good to me. i like idea that must win like the idea that we must win the cheap. the economy off cheap. immigration good . but immigration sounds good. but first of all, do i believe them ? probably not. but secondly is this economic enough? this enough economic enough? what about what philip mentioned that the labour party can't seem to define what a woman is? nevermind women . the nevermind support women. the work, the social work, the work, the social issues matter. think issues matter. right? i think they matter a little bit. i don't think they matter as as media organisations such as gb news, the daily mail, lbc,

whatever it is. i think they matter as much as people running those organisations and presenting those, those organisations seem to think that twitter for example , seems to twitter for example, seems to think. but if i if over keir think. but if i was if over keir starmer and someone said, do you know what a woman is ? i'd be know what a woman is? i'd be able say, i what able to say, yes, i know what a woman and if someone said, woman is. and if someone said, what have penis, what kind of woman have penis, i would say well, no, women don't would say, well, no, women don't have penises , transwomen have penises, but transwomen do have penises, but transwomen do have penises, but transwomen do have penises and i back trans rights as far as they possibly can until they collide with women's in real ways. i those real ways are very limited. so if i have a case though i have a common sense approach to this. you've got women, you've men, you've got trans women, you've got men. let's be kind in got trans men. let's be kind in our language to everybody. lesbians inclusive we can. lesbians inclusive as we can. and is genuine clash and where there is genuine clash of rights, let's try to untangle that. but without the transphobic language . okay. and transphobic language. okay. and that i to ask you is keir starmer now to the right of the tories it seems on these issues, cutting taxes for working people

and weaning us off cheap immigration , cheap immigrant immigration, cheap immigrant laboun immigration, cheap immigrant labour. these seem to be issues of where the tories are. all right. now yeah, but the tories aren't conserver tape and i think that's that's the major problem. and they've not been for conservative decades. for conservative years, decades. i just one or two things i think just one or two things to come back to other guest to come back to your other guest and agree with lots and lots of what he says. i don't think it's about adapting. i think it's equivocating , but i think equivocating, but i think there's a difference there . and there's a difference there. and he kept saying all the time , i he kept saying all the time, i were keir starmer , you're not were keir starmer, you're not keir starmer. and he isn't saying those things. so i think , i think those people do really care about culture . the red wall care about culture. the red wall seats. they care about tradition, and they actually about real see. and i think the easiest, the most reality check is asking the question , what is is asking the question, what is a woman? and if someone come answer that, i think very, very concerned . and it's not it concerned. and it's not it really isn't a new culture form

week and we get tonnes and tonnes of questions this right if you can't if you can't describe what a woman is then you really can't advocate for women's rights. okay and what they're saying at the moment and they're saying at the moment and the two things really don't go together they came out yesterday saying they are the policy for women's rights, but they can't define is. so they define what a woman is. so they really not party for women's really not the party for women's rights. i would really disagree with the culture thing, i think culture front and centre at moment. and i think that's why the labour party are pushing it so hard yeah, i would say the only reason talk about cultural issues they are to issues is because they are to people. don't talk about people. we don't talk about things people don't things that people don't necessarily care about. so matthew too close to matthew is stallman too close to blairism for many labour supporters in his attempt to attract the red wall back? is he going lose the hard left that going to lose the hard left that have supporting the labour? going to lose the hard left that hdon't. supporting the labour? going to lose the hard left that hdon't. don't.orting the labour? going to lose the hard left that hdon't. don't. i'm|g the labour? going to lose the hard left that hdon't. don't. i'm startingibour? i don't. i don't. i'm starting to sound like labour to sound like a labour politician i'm starting use politician and i'm starting use the the starting the

the word look, the starting the title tony blair. i didn't agree with him everything . i certainly with him everything. i certainly didn't agree with him on the war, particularly in retrospect . but that guy was an election winner. it wasn't labour three elections in a row along with some of the leaders from the 19305 some of the leaders from the 1930s or 1940. he's come me for example he's one of the titans of the labour movement. so if keir starmer had anything like tony blair's success, then those on the left most of those on the left will be cheering. so the is unfortunately and i'm speaking i would describe myself as left of centre not as left as corbyn didn't vote for labour and corbyn in 2017 or 19, but starmer doesn't have the charisma of tony blair. does that matter ? perhaps not. it may that matter? perhaps not. it may matter a little bit more up rishi sunak because rishi sunak's i think although on immigration and, the rhetoric and the language he's allowed his home secretary used a rather braverman and the fact that he reappointed it, that's very disappointing. still disappointing. he's still something a grown up in the something of a grown up in the room. believe liz truss

room. i don't believe liz truss was up the believe was a grown up in the i believe that boris was a grown was a grown up in the i believe th.the oris was a grown was a grown up in the i believe th.the rebel was a grown was a grown up in the i believe th.the rebel against'as a grown was a grown up in the i believe th.the rebel against that grown was a grown up in the i believe th.the rebel against that the n11 in the rebel against that the fact that storm it didn't have charisma perhaps might have been in his favour again sunak going to be more difficult because sunak serious in sunak is serious politician in many . do i sunak is serious politician in many. do i think he can win back the working vote? first all, the working vote? first of all, he's absolutely we talked about the stuff . the immigration stuff. absolutely right. to say that when economy it ever when economy allows if it ever does , he's going to make sure he does, he's going to make sure he cuts taxes , working people cuts taxes, working people because you can see working because you can see that working people they've people feel like they've a really deal at the moment . really bad deal at the moment. don't forget, by the way, a lot of are as of working people are on as well. right. the well. that is right. the benefits inflation. but benefits up with inflation. but people working incredibly people are working incredibly hard country and they're hard in this country and they're getting little getting to see very little reward is right to reward it system is right to target that on the culture thing come up with a simple sensible common sense answers muck about you do have win that battle as best you can but you don't have to win it in a race to the bottom. you don't have to win it by using nasty language and obvious to me that starmer is not quite nailing this. but it's

not quite nailing this. but it's not obvious to me as philip says that he's not a supporter of women's rights. of course he is it's just a knotty issue and he has to the right the right language . when it comes to the language. when it comes to the trans debate . isn't that trans debate. isn't that the problem, philip, trans debate. isn't that the problem, philip , that we problem, though, philip, that we obsess the language or the obsess over the language or the left language? left obsesses over the language? just day just spend all spends all day talking about language. never gets actual issue at gets to the actual issue at hand and calls of and actually calls a lot of things hate or nasty. and actually calls a lot of things hate or nasty . matthew things hate or nasty. matthew just what might be or just did what might not be or nasty actually just common nasty might actually just common sense to some people and especially if we're talking about trans to a lot about the trans debate to a lot of this, they will of people in this, they will say, men and say, well, they're all men and they're and that is they're all women and that is it. so how do you address these issues matthew issues with what matthew calls common don't agree common sense? if we don't agree with what that is? i the language thing is really incredibly important and which we talk we talk about this all the don't we? there's the time, don't we? there's a sense that we say certain , but sense that we say certain, but we actually mean something else. and if we're saying trans women are women, and that's the centre of , the debate, i don't think

of, the debate, i don't think that should the centre of the debate i think women should be the centre of the debate. what happens when women only spaces don't become women only spaces anymore. so i don't think any of actually is about hate or hate speech and i think if people bnng speech and i think if people bring the word hate into a conversation this, then i think that acting honestly, some do hate it. that's the point people unfortunately are using this sort of new incarnation of trans issues in the trans debates, debate the topic old fashioned transphobia , and that's about transphobia, and that's about a faith assumption, because most people are coming to conversation with hate. but plenty of people that plenty people do who's come to speak on behalf. plenty of people got the conversation just conversation with hate. we just have sensible about right have to be sensible about right all i think we'll it there because we're treading on the trans water again so matthew starling political and dr. philip kerslake cultural historian lecturer at university of leeds and regular the new

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channel welcome to real britain on gb news on tv and on your wireless . a report has alleged that top scientists, including sir patrick vallance, who is britain's chief scientific adviser, were warned that covid 19 could have evolved in laboratory animals in wuhan, but collaborated in paper, which shut down the lab leak theory. the wuhan institute virology worked on bat coronavirus sources amid concerning security levels had also been highlighted to them . the paper was published

to them. the paper was published . nature. nature. medicine wrote excuse me, in march 2020. it argued that a natural spill—over event the pandemic. but according the story, which also appeared in the daily telegraph newly released emails , show that newly released emails, show that in the weeks before publication , authors held a discussion with scientists and experts , and they scientists and experts, and they were advised that the unusual features seen in covid 19 could have evolved in animals in a lab. let's talk now to biologist and matt ridley. thank you for joining us, matt. can you please to us, why would violence and wish to cover up this theory ? wish to cover up this theory? well this relates to an that happened on the first weekend of february 2020 when covid was still just small, little local difficulty in china , remember? difficulty in china, remember? but they'd seen the first glimpse of genome of the virus. they thought, oh, my god, it looks like it's got a feature in it that shouldn't be there. that's normally put there by thatis that's normally put there by that is sometimes put there by labs. that is sometimes put there by labs . and that could well be an labs. and that could well be an indication that it's been

developed in a laboratory . but developed in a laboratory. but now we've known for some time that meeting took place. we've been trying get hold of the emails about meeting and in particular the drafts of the paper that they produce right after that meeting and sure , after that meeting and sure, what we've now found, thanks to the under freedom of information , is that the first draft of that paper , a lab was that paper, a lab leak, was possible . but by the end of the possible. but by the end of the following week, they had changed that , saying it following week, they had changed that, saying it was following week, they had changed that , saying it was not that, saying it was not possible. and only excuse they'd done for that was , that the done for that was, that the chinese had announced they'd found similar in the pangolin found a similar in the pangolin . point that by then they . the point is that by then they knew that pangolin virus knew that the pangolin virus didn't have the feature that knew that the pangolin virus didn'were e the feature that knew that the pangolin virus didn'were worried ature that knew that the pangolin virus didn'were worried about.1at knew that the pangolin virus didn'were worried about. so they they were worried about. so they couldn't used it. didn't couldn't have used it. didn't make use the make any sense to use the pangoun make any sense to use the pangolin virus to excuse the excuse. what's on. but that clearly a very strong desire to shut speculation about a possible laboratory leak at the time for the sake of quotes international harmony. that's the phrase used by francis

collins, the head of the national institute of health in the united states . why should the united states. why should international harmony be a concern during the pandemic and surely this altered our process and stopped us probing further into the lab leak theory? surely we want to know exactly where this virus from so that we can better prepare , prevent . well, better prepare, prevent. well, the result of that paper was people like me went around saying to colleagues in parliament and elsewhere that, no, probably wasn't a lab no, it probably wasn't a lab leak. you know, i was taken in by this and vital time was lost dunng by this and vital time was lost during which chinese authorities had plenty opportunity to cover their tracks to conceal what had gone on to make sure that we couldn't get hold of the database of viruses they had in the lab or the lab records and so on. and the trail went pretty cold. it wasn't till a year later a accumulate of later when a huge accumulate of evidence, including that they'd been party to a grant to actually put one of these features into, such a virus. and they found it in any other natural and they hadn't found

the virus , wild animals or the virus, wild animals or anything like that. apart from bats after all that. eventually even the world health organisation came around said, well, the lab leak is possible . well, the lab leak is possible. we now know it's not just possible, but it's likely and we've lost two years, two and a half years and we've crucially dunng half years and we've crucially during that time we haven't tracked down on the kind of research that could have led to this . but the research that could have led to this. but the further problem is the further knock on effect of this is that we've got now, mistrust not only of the science, but in experts . and science, but in experts. and surely throughout this entire process, experts have been telling us , trust the science. telling us, trust the science. how can we ever trust the science again ? well, this is one science again? well, this is one of the things that really concerns me. i'd pro—science the whole of my career . i've whole of my career. i've championed biotechnology and lots of other science. i'm a pro vaccines, all these kind of things. but it makes it much harder for people like me to do ourjob. if scientists say one our job. if scientists say one thing in public and think something else in private and go

about change the story for what seems to be political reasons rather than scientific ones. the politicisation of science has become an extreme acute problem in my view, and think we've got to get to the bottom of it and doing it. let's just get the facts out there and seek the truth wherever it leads us. but that's the isn't it? because we didn't want people to seek the truth. we didn't want people to make up their own minds or to make up their own minds or to make decisions. we say make informed decisions. we say we, country we, the government, the country wanted narrative. wanted one approved narrative. even media. were told even in the media. we were told ofcom couldn't question ofcom that we couldn't question or health bodies. do you or public health bodies. do you think we should be able to be more critical technocratic more critical of technocratic scientists in the scientists and government in the future? we do think future? yes, i think we do think the only way that science keeps itself honest by an itself honest is by having an open transparent open and transparent conversation the public , conversation with the public, other experts. there isn't such a thing as consensus in science? most of the time there was no consensus about the right way of deaung consensus about the right way of dealing covid. you know lockdowns, masks , vaccines, lockdowns, masks, vaccines, other things, you know , are two

other things, you know, are two sides to most of these arguments , it is reasonable to have . and , it is reasonable to have. and if you don't do , if you say if you don't do, if you say there is only right answer and you ordinary people have got to do as you're told , then it's do as you're told, then it's a dangerous slippery slope to actually banned any about a possible laboratory for about a year. possible laboratory for about a year . you know, that's not a way year. you know, that's not a way to go on. and they did so at the behest of establishment science ists absolutely so refreshing to hear you say this and speaking the truth and hopefully we can be more truthful and scientists can be more truthful in the future. thank you so much for that. viscount that. that's viscount matt ridley, thank you ridley, biologist and thank you . not responding to the allegations. i spokesperson for the government, chief scientific adviser stated the government chief scientific ensures that policy is and decisions are informed by the best scientific evidence . the gc essay promises evidence. the gc essay promises full transparency and an open exchange of ideas and scientific opinion as the email exchange

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gb news. welcome back to real britain on on tv online on your digital radio . new research by policy radio. new research by policy exchange has revealed that activist teaching is now immensely widespread in the uk , immensely widespread in the uk, with six in ten pupils now saying they have exposed to ideas of critical race theory. 65% also said that they encountered the idea of the patriarchy and multiple genders in school. the findings have restated that the debate over britain should teach history in. its schools is still going on. now joining me is mark glendinning , head of cultural glendinning, head of cultural affairs at the institute of economic affairs and political and social commentator lin mei thank you both for joining and social commentator lin mei thank you both forjoining me

thank you both for joining me today. now, should we be teaching our children? this divisive rhetoric . start with divisive rhetoric. start with you then. may i think there's no issues or nothing wrong with teaching it as an ideology , but teaching it as an ideology, but as a fact a massively this. all schools have a statutory duty to be impartial. and what we're seeing is we're seeing teachers teaching in such a way where it's being taught that white people are bad or people should be guilty of the past. people are bad or people should be guilty of the past . that's be guilty of the past. that's simply not true. and i always say this repeatedly. only a small fraction of white individuals were responsible for the transatlantic slave trade and even in its entirety it wasn't just white people. so why are young children having to be subjected to this? i mean , so subjected to this? i mean, so many things being conflated in this. but the problem it. yes. mark i don't even think we can teach about critical race theory in schools because we can't . in schools because we can't. that's not what schools for us. university debate it's university level debate and it's dangerous this ideology dangerous bringing this ideology into schools in the first place. yes, absolutely . this is not

yes, absolutely. this is not children should be indoctrinated with in the same way they , with in the same way they, shouldn't be indoctrinated with any . particular ideological any. particular ideological perspective. and when this is taught or brought into the realm of public sector institutions. then counter—narratives , which then counter—narratives, which are based on rationalist methodology, unlike critical race theory, which is essentially just a sort of conspiracy theory, an updated version , the sort of stuff the version, the sort of stuff the fascists were coming out with in the thirties about jewish people , part of some sort of power elite and other such nonsense then there should be the opportunity to, present and all turn into perspective. but course that is not what is happening the moment. the intention of the public sector,

institutions, schools the police, you name it is in fact to try and brainwash their their and their pupils with a one sided narrative . sorry i just to sided narrative. sorry i just to come back on that. what would say is i do disagree that you know, that it's a conspiracy theory. what initial critical race was based on the premise ? race was based on the premise? the premise actually isn't bad because critical race theory is actually the understanding that actually the understanding that a lot of the laws the and the institute did have racism permeating in it. so permeating in it. so we can't say that it's completely incorrect . but how completely incorrect. but how it's taught is being extremely incorrect. and that's my issue with it. my isn't actually the fundamental tools of critical race theory because if we look at history directly, why was there a need for the race

relations act? because you could discriminate in public places in, the workplace, on the basis of their skin colour. so we have to be careful to say it's completely, you know , fictitious completely, you know, fictitious and those things , they didn't and those things, they didn't exist because that's not true ehhen exist because that's not true either. no, we don't. because we can that critical race can say that critical race theory comes from critical theories and the whole purpose of is, neo of critical theories is, is neo marxism to undermine western society. that and we society. we can show that and we can show also have can show that we also have equality. the law in equality. the under the law in this no this country and there is no oppression or suppression of certain demographics. and if there there'd be court cases there was there'd be court cases about it. we say that about it. so we can say that critical race theory is peddling dangerous, , toxic dangerous, divisive, toxic ideology. can we not more. are you is a racism? no. the you saying is a racism? no. the who there isn't behind . who there isn't racism behind. nobodyis who there isn't racism behind. nobody is that. but when you making very specific and serious allegations concerning the exercise of racial or other forms of discrimination should you have to be able to back that with real hard empirical evidence clearly apartheid south africa had a whole series of

laws that discriminated against people who were of certain of ethnicities, critical race theory is being peddled by sort of ideological equivalent of snake oil salesman and women like robin diangelo who are making sweeping revolut claims that societies such as and the united, just like the united states of america today , other states of america today, other western countries are structurally as if they would just like apartheid south . and just like apartheid south. and thatis just like apartheid south. and that is clearly nonsense . i that is clearly nonsense. i think we are still experiencing message. well, thank you. let me i'll ask questions asked you do the educational want people to hate their own country ? let me hate their own country? let me yes. i sincerely believe they do. and that you know, is clear. for example the police are going to subject all their employees to subject all their employees to a of critical race theory why

on earth are they doing this? yes, of course . should be yes, of course. should be rooting out those specific individual police , men and women individual police, men and women who practise racial discrimination. but are they using taxpayers money to properly? propagandise what is essentially a anti liberal ideology? it's same with the tavistock clinic in terms their their courses relating to psychopaths crappy every dimension , the public sector, dimension, the public sector, local councils are doing this and of them are even doing it with really young children. if you look at the green labour in brighton , they have been telling brighton, they have been telling their teachers that they must instruct the pupils that martin luther king's belief, instruct the pupils that martin luther king's belief , that we luther king's belief, that we should judge people on the basis of their individual characters .

of their individual characters. thatis of their individual characters. that is itself a form of racism . i mean, i forced to pay for it. i agree. i agree. fundamental it should not be taught as factual. that's that's my issue for us to completely dispel again i agree with calvin when he says the laws in britain they are for everyone. my is the application of the law . there application of the law. there are multiple reports to that people from certain ethnic backgrounds are treated differently than, let's say , differently than, let's say, backgrounds. and that's where i have an issue. yes, an ideal. the law would be applicable to everyone, and everyone will be treated fairly . that's not the treated fairly. that's not the case. so we're dealing with resist effects of the past where people from black and ethnic minorities, asian minorities . we minorities, asian minorities. we can see even in recent reports when it comes to black men and bangladeshi men, even though the majority of ethnic minorities are overqualified for various positions, the promotions , the positions, the promotions, the workplace just isn't happening. the problem is that there is so

difficult to have a conversation like this when you conflating many points i talk are you asking about crime asking a question about crime rates? asking rates? we're asking you a question what question about employment. what is want get is the question you want to get to? have pin this to? we have to really pin this down when you just down because when you just conflate things, make conflate these things, you make it like country is it sound like the country is institutionally, which we know is so i want to is not the case. so i want to ask you is how should we be addressing this this topic of history schools. you say history in schools. you say we shouldn't teaching critical shouldn't be teaching critical race a fact. race theory, but this is a fact. but to be arguing in but you seem to be arguing in favour and you know what favour of it. and you know what perspective? should be perspective? so how should we be addressing we addressing this? my issue is we shouldn't teaching critical shouldn't be teaching critical race a fact. however, race theory as a fact. however, what to is us what i don't to see is us brushing the carpet are brushing under the carpet are still with from still issues in with people from certain it certain backgrounds when it comes employment, comes to employment, when it comes to employment, when it comes policing, and when comes to policing, and when it does to of the does come to some of the institutions again, not institutions again, i'm not going it's a completely going to say it's a completely institution, racist country. institution, any racist country. however have look at the however we have to look at the facts , the reports are facts, the reports that are there. example , name bias. there. for example, name bias. it's a real thing if you have an ethnic name on an application form, is harder for to form, it is harder for to oftentimes a job. these are oftentimes get a job. these are facts. i'm worried that if we facts. so i'm worried that if we completely dispel any

conversation around race and just say you the law says that everyone should treated fairly which it does it's my application. law is not application. the law is not being applied . however, going being applied. however, going back critical race theory , do back to critical race theory, do not believe it should be taught in schools as a fact because we don't teach as a fact. don't don't teach as a fact. we don't teach as a fact. we don't even teach as a fact. we don't even teach christianity to be the truth anymore . and this is a truth anymore. and this is a christian country. shame just to wrap up one final question for you, can combat you, mark. how can we combat education dominated by education being dominated by these toxic, divisive these terrible, toxic, divisive 7 these terrible, toxic, divisive ? well, the politic asians in the current government need to step up to the plate mean this is happening within public sector institute and under their watch. i what are suella braverman and the other ministers actually doing that the toller this was all you conservative led councils doing because this is also under they are they're so of course you

would expect you know the green party in to be using money in this way outrageously but why is it the centre right politicians are allowing this to happen so there's to be an element of top down change but also philosophically those of us who believe in the of a broadly society need to start fighting this ideology and calling it out what it is. it's a new form of protecting fascistic authority arianism. and it's totally will treat all the principles of western civilisation. thank you very . that's western civilisation. thank you very. that's mark lanning, head of cultural affairs at the institute of economic affairs and political and social commentator. and political and social commentator . after the and political and social commentator. after the london fire brigades, commissioner has accepted the organisation is institutionally racist and misogynistic. a revealed accounts from a black firefighter who had a noose placed by his locker. women

groped and people having their helmets filled with urine. the review was commissioned after a trainee firefighter took his own life in 2020. more than 2000 current and former staff and groups spoke out reporting sexist, racist and homophobic behaviour. plus leadership issues. staff are afraid to speak out about abuse and unacceptable behaviour . members unacceptable behaviour. members of the public . gb news reporter. of the public. gb news reporter. theo chikomba is there for us now . yes, that's right. and is now. yes, that's right. and is still the former crown prosecutor in the north alongside seven other professionals. the team of spent the ten month period looking into the culture here at the london fire brigade . and as you london fire brigade. and as you mentioned, they said that the bngade mentioned, they said that the brigade itself is misogynistic and racist . brigade itself is misogynistic and racist. now it highlights accounts so many different people across the brigade of them citing some of the experience that they have had.

not just to give you another example, aside from the one you mentioned just a few moments ago, a muslim man who was constant bullied about his religion , he had bacon and religion, he had bacon and sausages put in his coat pocket and a terrorist hotline sign posted in his locker. and a terrorist hotline sign posted in his locker . now, and a terrorist hotline sign posted in his locker. now, in response to this, the of the fire brigade . andy rowe has fire brigade. andy rowe has accepted this and he said from today will be completely clear today will be completely clear to all staff what behaviour isn't acceptable and what the consequences will. now in terms of leadership , the managers, of leadership, the managers, some them are saying we need more teeth . they know there are more teeth. they know there are some people who are causing not using their positions correctly when they are at work , but they when they are at work, but they simply don't have enough power to make a change immediately. and just finally and as they as ispeak and just finally and as they as i speak earlier today, he was saying, if we are having accounts like this staff saying they're not safe then neither , they're not safe then neither, are . we thank you very much. are. we thank you very much. that was gio gb news, national

reporter , theo chikomba . london reporter, theo chikomba. london fire commissioner andy rowe has said today is a very sobering day. there is no place for discrimination in harassment and bullying in the brigade. and from today , it will be from today, it will be completely clear to all what behaviour isn't acceptable and what consequences will be . now what consequences will be. now the high level brand, balenciaga has been caught in a row after photographer they hired to promote their new products released an advertising featuring children holding explicit teddy bears dressed in bondage gear. the parents of children displaying the scandal clad bears has been met with a flurry of outrage on social media directed towards the brand , with many accusing the fashion house of child abuse and encouraging others to cancel balenciaga. joining me now is ollie london, social media commentator. ollie, you've been on top of this case. can you just give us a brief rundown of what actually has taken place ? what actually has taken place? so last week, balenciaga featured campaign on their

website as part their christmas campaign, was actually campaign, which was actually targeting children that trying to market these teddy bears to children . the teddy were children. the teddy bears were covered bondage bdsm gear. covered in bondage bdsm gear. they around their neck they had these around their neck very of slick stuff. that was not the only thing, though. if you zooming closer, the pictures is actually so many details there. there's dates written on there. there's dates written on the wall when you google the top news stories of days it's news stories of those days it's referencing child predator referencing a child predator court there's books and court cases. there's books and court cases. there's books and court documents being featured as a supreme court document featured under a handbag, which referencing a supreme case arguing for child to be legalised . so it's really, legalised. so it's really, really shocking stuff . and then really shocking stuff. and then balenciaga issued a statement which really isn't . they were which really isn't. they were trying to blame the creative studio behind this shoot, but really, you know , for these really, you know, for these pictures to be on the balance of websites, a multi—billion dollar company has approved company has be approved by the design ceo , everyone at design at the ceo, everyone at the top. so it's really shocking stuff. the photographer stuff. and the photographer himself has come to say, himself has come out to say, actually, i think just actually, i think it's just like the the models. so

the products or the models. so the products or the models. so the that the the sheet can know that the bondage bear black bondage teddy bear with black eyes. say, bondage is eyes. and as you say, bondage is going to be modelled by young, very, young they very, very young children. they knew what knew, regardless of what direction photographer , you direction the photographer, you know, to blame know, they're trying to blame the kind of creative agency. but know the photographer is obviously to take the obviously just hired to take the photos. photographer photos. but this photographer does specialise in kind of very unusual, weird pictures of . i've unusual, weird pictures of. i've seen pictures of on his instagram page . they've got toy instagram page. they've got toy guns surrounding them and stuff. very kind of weird stuff. so it's not right. but yeah, balenciaga is blaming the creative they're now creative agency. they're now threatening them with $25 threatening them with a $25 million lawsuit. but really, the buck balenciaga after buck stops with balenciaga after they all these child they delete all these child pictures, apologise. then pictures, apologise. they then posted more things online. that was man holding a handbag was a man holding a handbag behind them that was a certificate on the wall. if you zoom name, you google the zoom the name, you google the name . actually predator name. actually a child predator that had a very court case. that had a very big court case. so there's so many references to really shocking and dark stuff and you know, you can't find all the results google. but if you go twitter and do some go on twitter and do some research , some of kind

research, some kind of very kind of and sick references of satanic and sick references in pictures. absolutely. in these pictures. absolutely. i looked saw the looked at it myself. i saw the paperwork. desk paperwork. the desk was a supreme court case , child online supreme court case, child online . i saw that balenciaga have also wiped their social media accounts, which reveals to me, you potential guilt. however one of the photo shoots was also an abused , physically abused person abused, physically abused person . if the person had black eyes and bruises and appliances like and bruises and appliances like a hoodie and a blend of yoga teddy bear. seems to me teddy bear. it seems to me there's a very dark, evil undertone going behind this brand. this is this brand. is this is this a manifestation of what's going on in the industry as a whole? well, firstly, balenciaga as marketing tactic, they wipe marketing tactic, they do wipe their instagram quite often. it's of marketing and it's one of their marketing and pr stunts. but yeah, there was also a picture of a woman with black eyes clearly like black eyes and clearly like they'd assaulted they'd been abused and assaulted . that was theme they were . that was the theme they were trying glamorise trying to glorify and glamorise and that . and trying to normalise that. just kids holding the just like the kids holding the bondage. teddy bears. so i definitely think balance yoga has dark kind of things has a very dark kind of things going on. and in 2016, one of the people that recruited all of

the people that recruited all of the models balenciaga's runway show was a woman called rachel chandler has been on jeffrey epstein's . she's even posted the epstein's. she's even posted the picture on instagram of cctv footage in 2013, bragging about being on the island. and if you look at her modelling agency, every single one of the models looks like a trafficking and you can see they've got very dark under people need under the eyes. so people need to research that. but i think it's you definitely it's you know, it's definitely the industry whole because the industry as a whole because why kardashian is why isn't kim kardashian who is the this brand the public face of this brand why she stayed silent. she's got four children. why has she said nothing? balenciaga nothing? you know, balenciaga quickly dropped kanye for his tweets and rightly so, because what said was, absolutely what he said was, absolutely shocking. kim shocking. but why has kim kardashian absolutely kardashian stayed absolutely silent on this? the public silent on this? she's the public face. getting millions of face. she's getting millions of dollars to promote this brand. why saying for why is she saying nothing for these good these kids? that's a good question. i would wrap by question. i would wrap up by asking celebrities asking you which celebrities have out denounced have out and denounced balenciaga . well, actually, you balenciaga. well, actually, you know, good luck finding a celebrity to announce this because know, because as, you know, in hollywood, liberal elites , hollywood, the liberal elites, you they they don't like you know, they they don't like to talk about these things. you

know, think know not know, they think it's know not something talk about. don't something to talk about. don't want they want to get cancelled. they don't get into drama. so don't want to get into drama. so it's actually very few celebrities obviously, have celebrities. obviously, you have conservative celebrities. obviously, you have consen have celebrities. obviously, you have consenhave spoken out about, but owens have spoken out about, but very celebrities very few hollywood celebrities speaking about this. you know, nicole also brand nicole kidman is also a brand ambassador brand . ambassador for the brand. elizabeth, french elizabeth, who about the french actress? know they're all actress? you know they're all staying which says a staying silent, which says a lot. i love lot. terrible. i would love to see them. speak thank see of them. speak out. thank you all for you very much. all for that. now, has issued a now, balenciaga has issued a statement in regard the controversy stating we sincerely apologise for any our holiday campaign may have caused our plush bear bags should not have been featured with children in this campaign. we have immediately removed the campaign from all platforms we stand for children's safety and wellbeing . lots of you have been getting in touch today about the topics we've discussed. guy on a storm the government says it is not in a labour government's .makeupto a labour government's .makeup to cut taxes end off taxes will go up for everyone and at income tax and local tax levels. vat will also go . mark my words guy

will also go. mark my words guy , i tend to agree with you. they may talk a good talk, but when have we ever known the labour party to cut taxes? don labour's chancesin party to cut taxes? don labour's chances in the red wall says starmer no chance winning my starmer has no chance winning my red wool vote. he's a total woke hypocrite can't be trusted hypocrite who can't be trusted starmer would have the uk back in the eu in another name ? the in the eu in another name? the conservatives have two years to turn the tide or god where our country will be headed. but by done the current conservative government might have taken us back into eu. way things are back into eu. the way things are looking. knows? on looking. so who knows? simon on the relations says the adviser email relations says if all about violence is true, should we trust the science on net zero. that political as well. yes asking the right questions, simon. that's i like to see more people need to ask this question. scientific consent is not the way forward. let's debate let's have a conversation about these things . derek on critical race theory . i'm so fed up of the critical race theory being imported from our cousins across the pond colleges to be where your genes come from . every in this come from. every kid in this country needs to be taught

reading, and, reading, writing and, arithmetic. when all schools this sorted, maybe the kids will be to about be able to read about our history get the right about history and get the right about the sport . not on more the uk sport. not on more reading, writing and arithmetic. less critical race theory . less critical race theory. wokeness in our schools please . wokeness in our schools please. you have been watching real britain with me, calvin robinson. thank you much for your company today. coming is none of your show with . don none of your show with. don nessen, old panellist . but nessen, my old panellist. but for now, i'll leave you with the weather. god bless . looking weather. god bless. looking ahead to this evening's weather on the uk is looking very unsettled as outbreaks of rain and brisk winds move eastwards. let's take a look at the about evening come across southwest england. the rain moving east will be heavy at times which could lead to some localised flooding. wendy too with gales around the coasts cloudy skies across southeast england with outbreaks of rain moving in from the west. the rain could turn heavy at times, especially later. heavy rain is expected across southern wales. this leading to the risk of flooding . strong southerly winds

continuing . but on the mild side continuing. but on the mild side , a cloudy evening across the midlands with an increasing risk of rain. the wind also picking up many mild for the time of up for many mild for the time of year with temperatures generally in double figures. a wet end to the day across northern england as heavy bursts of rain continue to move the west. winds to move in from the west. winds picking up these brisk over the hills. temperatures ten degrees celsius for the heavy rain for southern parts . scotland at southern parts. scotland at particular, three this evening. perhaps a few drier at times. wendy farrow with temperatures around ten degrees celsius turning drier across northern ireland. this evening as the rain clears east. a few heavy showers moving in from the west, which could be accompanied by further strong and gusty winds . further strong and gusty winds. the wind rain will to sweep the wind and rain will to sweep eastwards overnight with blustery showers flowing into northwest. a mild night most and thatis northwest. a mild night most and that is the weather is shaping up overnight into morning . join up overnight into morning. join every sunday at 6 pm. for glory

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