channel hello and welcome ! gb news on hello and welcome! gb news on your tv and on your digital radio. i'm doing this covering for the lovely nana aqua and for the next 2 hours me and my panel be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now . this show is all right now. this show is all about opinion mine, theirs and yours . most importantly, yours, yours. most importantly, yours, by the way not theirs. we'll be debating, discuss and at times

disagreeing mostly. debating, discuss and at times disagreeing mostly . joining me disagreeing mostly. joining me today is , the broadcaster lizzie today is, the broadcaster lizzie cundy looking in pink. as you can see and the political editor of the sunday mirror and sunday people, nigel looking nearly gorgeous, shall we say. oh before we get started , let's go before we get started, let's go to the latest news headlines . to the latest news headlines. thank you, john. good afternoon. it's a minute past for alan armstrong in the gb newsroom an independent review into the london fire brigade has found the service to be institutionally misogynist racist. our national reporter theo chikomba is outside lfb headquarters us. what more can you tell us about this new report .7 is afzal of the former report? is afzal of the former crown chief prosecutor in the west and a team of aides himself looked into the culture here at the london fire brigade and they say it's institutionally racist and misogynistic in the review.

there are many accounts of bullying, racism and more . and bullying, racism and more. and just to give you an example, a muslim was constantly bullied about religion and had bacon and sausages put in his coat pockets and a terrorist hotline saying posted in his locker. now, in response to this, the commissioner for the london fire brigade has accepted that the organisation is institutionally racist and misogynistic , and he racist and misogynistic, and he has vowed to change . now we also has vowed to change. now we also heard from managers hussain would need more teeth to root out the staff who are causing problems in the workplace and earlier today in as they saw he was saying if staff feel that they're not safe at work then neither we there . thank you very neither we there. thank you very much indeed. welcome randy rose failed to change culture and he has also welcomed the recommendations made by the review. we going to conduct a five year case review. so we look back across all those cases , those terrible behaviours as example that bullying and harassment which had been

considered before and b and put them back that externally accredited process . i do expect accredited process. i do expect some people to be dismissed . as some people to be dismissed. as a result, we become the first service in the country to wear body worn video cameras to ensure both the safety of our own staff and to reassure the public. own staff and to reassure the pubuc.so own staff and to reassure the public. so these are examples . public. so these are examples. what we're doing immediately. public. so these are examples. what we're doing immediately . at what we're doing immediately. at least 13 people are missing after a landslide died in italy. no deaths have confirmed, according to the government , no deaths have confirmed, according to the government, but according to the government, but a number of people are feared , a number of people are feared, have been killed in the incident. on the holiday island. isca which has been hit by heavy rain in recent days. emergency services , they're continuing services say, they're continuing the rescue operation the search and rescue operation as have been by the as buildings have been by the landslide . translators have landslide. translators have voted to strike over pay and what be the biggest industrial action in the industry. the rail maritime and transport union say more than thousand of its members working several private contractors backed the industrial action. rail strikes by train drivers have been continuing today and more travel

disruption is expected . members disruption is expected. members of the aslef union across i! train operators are walking out in a dispute over pay , meaning a in a dispute over pay, meaning a significantly reduced service . significantly reduced service. ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy has hosted a food security summit with prime ministers of belgium, poland and lithuania and the president of hungary today. it comes after a president zelenskyy has said 6 million people remain without electric after a series of rocket attacks . russia earlier rocket attacks. russia earlier this week. the mayor of ukraine vitali klitschko says about 70% of households in the capital kyiv have no power. it comes , as kyiv have no power. it comes, as the united nations calls for humanitarian aid for people in who've been left without power following the russian attacks . following the russian attacks. well british military says russia's remote moving nuclear warheads from , old cruise warheads from, old cruise missiles before , using them for missiles before, using them for attacks in ukraine. the mod says the move moscow's low stock of long—range missiles . anglo

long—range missiles. anglo manager gareth southgate has played down boos from disappointed fans following their with the united states the world cup last night. it the team missed out on a chance to secure a place in the last 16. supporters a fanzone in south london appeared unhappy by the results , throwing cups and results, throwing cups and spraying drinks . results, throwing cups and spraying drinks. england will face wales next. wales need a victory . keep up any chance of victory. keep up any chance of making the knockout while forming the manager sam says he's hopeful england can go on to win the tournament. he's hopeful england can go on to win the tournament . there's to win the tournament. there's enough experience in the backroom staff , the manager. backroom staff, the manager. there's enough experience in the squad now having gone through two tournaments that they've got the tools to win this competition and gareth needs to use the squad to its full potential. and that means me quite a few changes for the next game . and the flashdance and game. and the flashdance and fame singer irene cara has passed away at the age of 63 . he. we

passed away at the age of 63. he. we winning musician known for singing and co—write the song flashdance. what a feeling. her publicist announced , her passing publicist announced, her passing at her florida home on twitter earlier cause of death remains unknown . now this is gb news. we unknown. now this is gb news. we will bring more as it happens through the evening. now let's return to tony . return to tony. hello. good afternoon . you're hello. good afternoon. you're with me a do nassim covering for nana akua out on gb news on tv and digital radio. well, it's nearly half the big day where history could be made . no, not history could be made. no, not the football, silly. but tomorrow's a grand final of . i'm

tomorrow's a grand final of. i'm a celebrity. get me out of . a celebrity. get me out of. because for the first time in the program's 20 year history, one of the venomous, creepy, crawly, nasty could be crowned winner instead of an actual human being . let's give this human being. let's give this bottom bottom groping a name, shall we? how about. ooh, i don't know , hancock . because don't know, hancock. because incredibly, after three weeks, 12 contestants and thousands pubuc 12 contestants and thousands public votes, former health secretary matt hancock has made it through to the final four. ah, come on people. how is this even a thing? a man with a baby's face and a laugh. so nerve shredding it makes fingers on the blackboard. sound like a relaxation tape. even if the fingers in question are owned by edward scissorhands . and they're edward scissorhands. and they're our viewers have been over by this , i mean really more . you this, i mean really more. you have voted for this creature and voted to elect rishi sunak pm. what an insane country we have become with very short memories

. how does munching a kangaroo's willy? i said. willy lives on telly and cleaning a camp make hancock's covid pandemic behaviour excusable as health secretary. he was responsible for sending elderly hospital patients with covid back to care homes. 32,154 of them died alone and terrified because loved were banned from saying goodbye . and banned from saying goodbye. and as if that wasn't quite bad enough, he also barred from attending the subsequent . how attending the subsequent. how can any us forget the awful sight of that being physically dragged away from confronting his sobbing mum dad's crematorium service ? i know crematorium service? i know i can't . then there's the dodgy can't. then there's the dodgy ppe deals he oversaw . remember ppe deals he oversaw. remember too, a subject only recently reared its ugly head with tory peer michelle mone being investigated for tax notes. peer michelle mone being investigated for tax notes . £200 investigated for tax notes. £200 million contract that saw 25 million contract that saw 25 million of taxpayers money

mysteriously end up in her family's offshore trust . matt family's offshore trust. matt hancock created the vip ppe lane that allowed this to happen. he by the way, awarded a contract to the landlord of his local , to the landlord of his local, ironically called . in brings us ironically called. in brings us very neatly to slug , mistress very neatly to slug, mistress and affair exposed by a video. so nasty. most of us will be in therapy for years . it's not just therapy for years. it's not just therapy for years. it's not just the horrific teenage level of heavy petting and snogging the marriage it fre inflicted on us though. is it is the fact that he was breaking every one of the nonsensical lockdown rules he inflicted on us? no, of he wasn't alone. his defence will always be that he was following the science . science dictated by the science. science dictated by the science. science dictated by the brothers . chief medical the brothers. chief medical officer whitty and chief scientific adviser patrick vallance . remember them but vallance. remember them but never forget those two were told

to come up with a worst case scenario by the then health secretary . one matt hancock . secretary. one matt hancock. neither he nor boris had to do any of what the science, said they were the blokes in charge of the asylum , but they were so of the asylum, but they were so intent on looking after their own backsides . they didn't care own backsides. they didn't care about imprisoning us in our own homes . shutting down the economy homes. shutting down the economy for two years. or turning the nhs into the national covid service . now that's coming to service. now that's coming to roost, though, isn't it? thousand more condemned to death with undiagnosed and heart disease, high taxes for 70 years, kids education and millions with mental health issues that never recover from . issues that never recover from. and now this man is prime time and attainment. women not even confessing to fancying him. i mean, girls, come on. look, god, give me strength . wokeist say, give me strength. wokeist say, hancock will be out of the jungle tonight with the only female left. that's. that's is

jill scott. come and go. favourite to win sunday final. hancock says he went onto the show promote dyslexia and demonstrate that the politicians are just ordinary like the rest of us. well, unless it's been very carefully as it is his mentioned dyslexia once . as with mentioned dyslexia once. as with everything hancock does is all about him. he wants to be that celebrity swallowing , the crud celebrity swallowing, the crud he's had in his guilt for the past three weeks is nothing compared to what he expects us to swallow. and shockingly , we to swallow. and shockingly, we have hancock's fee is to swallow. and shockingly, we have hancock's fee i s £400,000 have hancock's fee is £400,000 money for old rope or should that be money old? grant . money for old rope or should that be money old? grant. no before we get stuck into that debate mind. hancock what's not to like debating ? here's what to like debating? here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour

i'm asking, is it too late for the tories to solve the migrant 7 the tories to solve the migrant ? the government is facing increased pressure to find a to the migrant crisis. to the office for national statistics , office for national statistics, net migration has reached record ties with more than half a million people arriving in the uk over the last year. the highest figure since world war ii. so can the tories. highest figure since world war ii. so can the tories . a handle ii. so can the tories. a handle on the crisis and anyone ? 1650 on the crisis and anyone? 1650 is royal round up with former royal correspondent and my former work colleague charles rice here in the studio . give us rice here in the studio. give us all the latest from behind palace walls. interesting dulcet coming up that i can tell you. the and duchess of the duke and duchess of cambridge heading to boston cambridge are heading to boston to engagements as to several royal engagements as prince harry and meghan of them. again, it's always them gear up to accept the humanitarian award , calling out structural racism in. the royal family life . and in. the royal family life. and then at five is this week's a difficult . former chelsea gavin difficult. former chelsea gavin peacock will be in studio to talk about life as a professional footballer before changing directions , become

changing directions, become a christian minister. gavin has shown how important his faith is, especially with the beautiful , which has raised beautiful, which has raised serious questions during the world cup. you won't want to miss what he's got to say on that one. that's up in the next houn that one. that's up in the next hour. so tell me what you think. on everything we by emailing . on everything we by emailing. gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at. gb cracking shall we. so saturday afternoon we all hear watching us and is welcome to my panel. broadcaster and journalist lizzie looking absolutely gorgeous pink. you can't see her legs . she looks really stunning legs. she looks really stunning . and oh some like a sunday and sunday people. nigel nelson who is also very lovely. i wish i wasn't pink and has not sex to you can't see that. i'd hello. welcome to you both. thank you so much. lovely seat on cold grey saturday afternoon . first i

grey saturday afternoon. first i want to discuss the story i was just talking about matt hancock in the jungle. now i know we should be talking about the serious stuff going on in the world, etc, etc. there's a lot of this has been one of the of but this has been one of the most popular series of i'm a celebrity. it's been going for 20 can believe that? 20 years. can you believe that? one the viewing figures is one of the viewing figures is through the roof . matt hancock through the roof. matt hancock is it. matt was meant to be is in it. matt was meant to be in it for a short period of time. no got the memo on that one.the time. no got the memo on that one. the fine or is tomorrow night millions people are going to tune in and he is currently last time i checked third favourite to win what do we make of this i mean you're both looking at me like i can come this is possible i'm so glad that well even more. matt, i don't know what i'm talking. i'm stephanie couple who want to go first on this hancock well what can say ? go girl. who would can i say? go girl. who would have thought it hit kangaroo testicles and the whole nation forgets all what he has done with covid. i certainly haven't

i think it's called jungle washing . so we can see, you know washing. so we can see, you know , so it's like he's brainwashed as you know, because he's done all these trials he's done them very well. he's been like james bond one. the stars held on. bond one. all the stars held on. although you mentioned james bond. although you mentioned james bond . well, has had no bond. well, he has he's had no say. i'm in the same sentence. well, i'm it fearless well, i'm sorry. it was fearless going snakes got bit by going in with snakes got bit by scorpion out in politics for scorpion he out in politics for decades lizzie well i know i am just saying won the stars and i've been in a couple of the sort of reality and what the viewers watch is what goes on in the show and sadly not what's gone out of the show . but let gone out of the show. but let me tell you, happy. i want tell you, i'm not happy. i want him final and, you know, him in the final and, you know, an mp, the core of their job is an mp, the core of theirjob is service to the community, the country and not pressing around a jungle, eating kangaroos . i'm a jungle, eating kangaroos. i'm sorry it really is wrong. and think he should give his fee to the nurses or charity because we haven't mentioned, as you said, dyslexia. he said he was going in there to make a big thing of

the absolute i would imagine it might be once twice possibly might be once or twice possibly he's mentioned it twice. twice weeks. that's exactly what he should do. i mean, this is absolutely right, that if he had any , he would give the entire any, he would give the entire fee to a dyslexia charity. yeah that's that's what he went in there . that's what should he there. that's what he should he should do what? the thing seems to have happened that were to have happened that we were all voting furiously for him to do the trial right at the beginning. i that i was on the phone there going to be of five votes and stuff like that so on the of he did do this is the basis of he did do this is quite right he do them well i mean he actually into them quite bravely and think as a result bravely and i think as a result of that he won over the audience in that sense who forgot then about his misdemeanours of the past he shouldn't there in the first place he should be attending to his duties. he quite clearly is going to give politics. he's looking for a career in politics, giving him in politics. i think we saw , in politics. i think we saw, though, didn't we, when rishi became mark steyn just totally

blanked him and walked past at that moment, you his political career is no more and he's making a very branding hancock he seems like david brent to me you know that character matt hancock entertaining. yes. but it is the matt hancock show. now and i think you know for those camp mates so all they to do is eat. so it's great for him to do the trials and win it all because they're starving and it's about survival. but let's not forget, couldn't go to my not forget, i couldn't go to my friend's funeral , all of this friend's funeral, all of this what happened throughout , i had what happened throughout, i had to goodbye to friend . face to say goodbye to a friend. face time, others went time, so many others went through so much more than i did. but and it's still but i remember and it's still us. yeah. and this is the thing i mean, we have we have remarkably memories. i completely understand what you're saying about. we're actually on the man actually judging him on the man using that term loosely. we seeing in the jungle rather than the politician we witnessed for the politician we witnessed for the last 2 to 3 years. but i mean he's going to teach us. well, i mean, you're a political journalist. must his constituents is still in the

south 0 yep. south of £84,000 a year. yep. you his constituents are you know his constituents are going the same financial nightmare we're all going through . and he's getting nearly through. and he's getting nearly half a million. and they're furious . even his local vicar furious. even his local vicar wants him out, so there's no forgiveness there . so i know forgiveness there. so i know they're obviously furious he's done he's done at the done what he's done at the moment. i don't think i'll be able to stand at the next election. he's the election. he's lost the conservative whip on the basis of that. if he if he carries on without whip, there's no way you can stand anyway . i'm not sure can stand anyway. i'm not sure he cares. i think he's rather given up. and i'd like to have seen the campmates grinning a more about the whole covid history and what had happened about, you know, how he released people from hospitals into care homes without testing as you just pointed out that kills 2000 people. i think i think people have criticised george and i didn't up and say in the end how we felt because others would say things haven't we have to write think i've had to shut them up i

went on too much but it's subject you're with me to nick and i'm stunned in four and then queer on gb news on tv digital radio after the break. it's time for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking is it too late for the tories to solve migrant crisis ? according to the migrant crisis? according to the office for national statistics , office for national statistics, net migration has reached record highs with more than half a million people arriving the uk over the last year. million people arriving the uk over the last year . so can the over the last year. so can the tories get a grip on this crisis 7 tories get a grip on this crisis ? can anyone send email gb views, achieve inews dot uk and. tell us what you think. you can also tweet gb news and there's a poll up right now asking is it too late for the tories to solve the migrant crisis. cast your vote . i know you care about this vote. i know you care about this one. first, it's the weather forecast . looking ahead to this forecast. looking ahead to this evening's weather and the uk is very unsettled as outbreaks , very unsettled as outbreaks, rain and brisk winds move eastwards . let's take a look at eastwards. let's take a look at the details . a wet evening to

the details. a wet evening to come across . southwest england, come across. southwest england, the rain moving east be heavy at times, which could lead to some localised wendy with localised flooding. wendy with gales around the coasts , cloudy gales around the coasts, cloudy skies across southeast with outbreaks of rain moving in from the west. the rain could turn heavy at times, especially later . heavy rain is expected southern wales this evening leading to the risk of flooding. strong winds continuing, but on the mild side, a cloudy evening across the midlands with an increasing risk of rain. the wind also picking up for many mild for the time year with temperatures generally still in double figures. a wet end to the day across northern england as bursts of rain continue to move in from the west. winds picking up these brisk over the hills around ten degrees celsius. further rain for southern parts of scotland. admittedly through this evening. perhaps a few interludes at times windy for all with temperatures around ten degrees celsius turning drier across northern ireland this evening , the rain clears east. evening, the rain clears east. a few showers moving in from the

west which could be accompanied by further strong and gusty winds . the wind and rain will winds. the wind and rain will continue sweep eastwards overnight with blustery showers following into the northwest . a following into the northwest. a mild night for most. following into the northwest. a mild night for most . and that is mild night for most. and that is how the weather is shaping overnight into tomorrow morning .

high you don't need some. i'm standing in for the lovely nana akua who's having a well—deserved rest on gb news on tv and on digital radio. it's time for the great british debates asking is it too for the tories to solve the migrant ? the tories to solve the migrant? the government is facing increased pressure to find solution to the migrant crisis. pressure to find solution to the migrant crisis . this comes as migrant crisis. this comes as meps took secretary suella braverman to task this week

dunng braverman to task this week during a home affairs committee when she admitted government had failed to control its borders. read blaming migrants , people read blaming migrants, people smugglers. the home office and anyone in efficiency for chaos at the manston processing centre in kent . the office for national in kent. the office for national statistics . over 40,000 people statistics. over 40,000 people have arrived via boats this yeah have arrived via boats this year. the net migration in the year. the net migration in the year to 2020 to reach more than 50 500,000. this level is 175,000 above the record high of 329,000. keep lots of figures dunng 329,000. keep lots of figures during the refugee crisis. back in two in 2015. out half a million, nearly 20% are overseas student dependent a figure which has increased sevenfold in three years. so with the next general election faster approaching and no signs of the migrant crisis improving for the great british debate, i'm asking is it too late for the tories to solve the

migrant crisis? i'm joined by director of centre migration and economic prosperity . stephen economic prosperity. stephen wolf . hello, stephen. how you wolf. hello, stephen. how you can see looking actually i love the curtains the way so thank you. is it . the curtains the way so thank you. is it. it's dark and grim outside full of cars. is it true 7 outside full of cars. is it true ? i can look. can. can the tories do anything? can anyone do anything ? well, the do anything? well, the conservative party certainly could do some things, without a doubt. for example , they could doubt. for example, they could pull out of the european of human rights and that would then give them the opportunity to deal with up to at least 100,000 of those asylum applicants that are currently being assessed at the moment. and most of the asylum applicants don't within the category of human rights convention, most of them for the ecj or the government's own discretion rules. so they could do something that if we're out of the law, then they could not deal with rwanda . the rwanda

deal with rwanda. the rwanda policy would have gone through straight away without having to deal with the court cases going on abolishing of the modern slavery act, or at least it so that people from albania who were coming over in droves make the claim. but the reality is i think most people in particularly those in the northern constituencies the of brexit and the red wall have become fed up with the conservative don't believe that they will ever manage immigration into this country. and i think to be they will probably lose election on the back of that. but do you think i mean, what the bill we seem to have at the moment is the labour party . so what's what the labour party. so what's what the labour party. so what's what the labour party said is their solution to this problem . let's, let's this problem. let's, let's honest about the labour party began this in 2001 two and three were amongst the highest years that we ever had with asylum , i that we ever had with asylum, i think 2012 we had 289,000 who

came across the borders just on asylum and that was tony. tony blair's group of people who believed they should scour the earth and bring as many immigrants into the country , rub immigrants into the country, rub the faces of the rights in diversity. so we can't really trust the labour party . but the trust the labour party. but the labour party is now under keir starmer trying to use soft words , nice language to say that they can manage it. but the reality for both political parties is this whilst they are increasing the numbers of migrants coming this country through asylum , this country through asylum, they're also allowing huge numbers to come in for work. the cost to the uk exchequer is now between 8 to 10 billion a year and got problems in housing, hospitals, schools , roads, all hospitals, schools, roads, all of them are increasingly problematic and all whichever government comes in will have to consider how they deal with those costs and immigration. controlling it would be one of the key solutions it but i don't think they have the spirit a heart for it. right. okay,

stephen, you stay with us for now, because i'm also joined by international human rights lawyer david haye. david hello. welcome to the show. no curtains . you quite disappointing. i was looking to competition looking forward to competition there. david? have the there. right, david? have the tories lost the plot? if even had a plot and what needs to be done? we all know something needs to be done. but can the tories do it? what needs to happen? well, i think a good way to start is if we look at their 2019 election manifesto, page 20, right at the top fix our immigration system , a statement immigration system, a statement that they made. and then you look at the other statements that they that they fix the that they made that they fix the immigration , that they immigration system, that they would fewer immigrants and would be fewer immigrants and they will the borders. they will control the borders. all things said all these are things they said in they do. and obviously in 2019. they do. and obviously a few ago we saw that. we saw the home secretary that effectively the asylum and the migrant system is broken whilst they've been charge . you they've been in charge. you know, it's never too late to fix the problem. it's one that does need fixing and it's certainly not a one. we're an island not a new one. we're an island that been that we've always been an island. immigration and

island. no immigration and seekers. they've always been they one way or another. so it's something that can done. the something that can be done. the question i think really is whether the tories are capable of and i, from my of doing it. and i, from my perspective, don't think they are so i mean what it that the $64,000 question here everybody and listening this afternoon is if the tories don't know what the is and labour don't really know what the answer is , what is know what the answer is, what is the answer? has any in europe actually managed to solve this problem ? i think i think is problem? i think i think is solvable. i mean, if you look at other countries like the ah islands, if you look at places like australia for example you know, the immigration is, is a lot more controlled so lot more controlled there. so it's not a difficult problem to solve. it is problem that needs solving but it's not just one policy about rwanda or giving more money to france to the borders there that there needs to be a full of the whole immigration system . and as immigration system. and as obviously part of that asylum seekers and the illegal migrant

that we're seeing as well. but that's just happening and that's not also been helped by the fact of the ever changing, you not also been helped by the fact of the ever changing , you know, of the ever changing, you know, prime minister's home that were abolishing the human rights act then introducing the bill of rights and that got stalled. and then that bringing that back and then that bringing that back and the that they got two years the fact that they got two years left, highly unlikely that left, it's highly unlikely that any legislation any of this new legislation is going unless they going to get through unless they treat it effectively. a migrant emergency. but we're seeing is a never ending story of complete incompetence from a home that's not fit for purpose when it comes immigration asylum . comes immigration and asylum. right? okay. let bring our stephen back into this impacting system perception. so we've got we've got a debate . three of us we've got a debate. three of us look amazing on screen. i'm a thank you both for your good looking for you good looking people but these aren't my curtains, by the way. i'm just just so now australia, i can try this out without that, right? rwanda doesn't to be one that's going to take off australia. it did use that didn't i. start

putting migrants on an offshore process centre to solve this problem and did stop the illegal boats overnight . so gentlemen boats overnight. so gentlemen can we come to you first. stephen is that something that we maybe should be concentrating anything else in the hotels ? anything else in the hotels? well, we can't cope with the hotels anymore, but there's over 600 hotels being used. and if you look at net migration, we've had 3.2 million people, net migration , 2010 plus the city, migration, 2010 plus the city, the size newcastle upon tyne every for the last 12 years. so we have to something and we could do something like australia that it it's sad when fortune we're held back by the european court of rights and our members to those that and the fact that we've imposed that in laws. so first and foremost we have to remove ourselves from that and abolish it once have that and abolish it once have that we then can look at other countries other areas do so countries and other areas do so and other options. we put large

ships offshore if we wanted to, but that particular legislation is holding back because we don't have the freedom a nation as australia did . there are other australia did. there are other countries like and sweden that have made reductions on the people coming because of their benefits system . but they too benefits system. but they too are held back because of the membership of the european court of human rights , our refugee of human rights, our refugee convention . and where i finally convention. and where i finally agree with this is we do need an end national convention to change the rules on the refugee convention . david, just bringing convention. david, just bringing you back that how important is the european court of human rights in this i mean from memory the plane that was loaded with people to take after rwanda was like pretty much eight people on that plane were cut off by the uk courts and. only one person had to go to the european court of human rights. so is that really such an important in this issue that's in the european human rights ? i in the european human rights? i think it's certainly, you know, certainly from the evidence

we've seen that it did also cause an issue the rwanda in cause an issue in the rwanda in the of policy. what the round of policy. but what then shortly then saw was that shortly thereafter government thereafter the government issuing saying the issuing statements saying the bill rights and that they issuing statements saying the bill effectively! that they issuing statements saying the bill effectively have they issuing statements saying the bill effectively have the kind would effectively have the kind of a so in the european of a one. so in the european court human rights, foot court of human rights, one foot out approach certain they out approach where certain they would things they would follow certain things they wouldn't would follow certain things they wouithen also , as we know, boris and then also, as we know, boris left another prime minister came in and everything the in and everything changed. the bill stuck . so it's bill rights got stuck. so it's this very uncertain from a legal perspective at the moment because the problems that we're getting of mostly getting all because of mostly because of human rights act, which force obviously, and which is in force obviously, and as said , in terms of the as stephen said, in terms of the european court of human rights. well, now the of the tories well, but now the of the tories , with the two years left to go it's clear that none of that is to change my . it's clear that none of that is to change my. i'm it's clear that none of that is to change my . i'm we've got to to change my. i'm we've got to leave it there, gentlemen. again, this is subject we could talk all afternoon about stephen woolfe, director of centre of and economic growth. thank you very . and hyde. thank very much. and david hyde. thank you very much for joining us today. a huge debate, right? today. so a huge debate, right? okay. you're with tony some

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them to solve the migrant crisis 7 them to solve the migrant crisis ? yes. that's the office . ? yes. that's the office. national statistics have revealed more than 40,000 people have arrived by a small boats this year. net migration in the year to june 2022 reached more than 500,000. and this level is 175,000 above the record . of 175,000 above the record. of 329,000 during the refugee crisis back in 2015, out of 504,000, nearly 20% of overseas student dependants, a figure which increased sevenfold in three years. so the general election approaching in a couple of years and no signs no signs of years and no signs no signs of the migrant crisis disappearing. i asking the question is too late for the tories to solve the migrant crisis now very, very curious to see what my panel of this, i'm joined by bruce acaster and columnist lizzie cundy , the

columnist lizzie cundy, the political editor of the sunday and sunday people, nigel . now and sunday people, nigel. now you've heard what our experts have to say on the matter . can have to say on the matter. can the tories do anything? is it late? i mean, nigel, you've been in politics your entire career . in politics your entire career. what's your take on this? have the tories messed up too much? is it too late for them now? no, it's not too late. it just is a matter of finding an answer. works. and i appreciate. it's not easy. you take different things. the 500,000 figure of official migration . not to official migration. not to worrying 144,000 of them are ukranians who will probably back when the war ends. because no 140 44,040 4000 hong kongers. that's probably a one off. the rest , that's probably a one off. the rest, afghans, that's probably a one off. the rest , afghans, 23,000 afghans. rest, afghans, 23,000 afghans. so you park that one. the big problem is cross—channel migration . and at the moment, migration. and at the moment, while we have a system whereby you have to apply for asylum either at the border or within

within the country that you and that draw people to calais to cross the channel. if you can put them somewhere else and encourage them to go somewhere else , like proper refugee camps else, like proper refugee camps . every refugee starts out as an asylum seeker, although not all asylum seeker, although not all asylum seekers are refugee is. but if you are processing them in the camps, they're for asylum . and that would be done by the united eu, by the, by the un refugees agency and. they could then decide where they want to go or actually who wants to have them. so it may well be it already happens for america. does this , canada does it, does this, canada does it, sweden , even australia is taking sweden, even australia is taking people , these refugee camps and people, these refugee camps and accepting them into their country. we could do the same we only took to like two people last year under that system. so why aren't we. why haven't we done that. it needs it needs an awful lot of international co—operation. and what i find

astonishing when suella braverman was before the home affairs select committee, this is she didn't have a clue . she is she didn't have a clue. she could have been she could have said . she was caught out, wasn't said. she was caught out, wasn't she? completed a sentence? well, you've said was. you she you've just said it was. you she could have said were trying could have said we were trying this suggesting this route. i'm not suggesting all easy was it needs all would be easy was it needs not co—operation a global not co—operation it's a global you've got 100 million people on the move. but what she could have done is said we are exploring ways of doing this. but what you've got to do there's no point trying to threaten rwanda threaten you, rwanda or something . you've got something like that. you've got to try and take away the draw of the english channel. migrants can go elsewhere and cross land borders. they can't do that , borders. they can't do that, britain. that's why they're doing small boats. they used to get in the back of lorries. we've managed to stop that. but the only way is to stop them going there in the first place or to therefore, or wanting to. therefore, we must safe route , a must have a safe route, a different place . that makes different place. that makes sense. surely we have had 12 years of tories doing anything .

years of tories doing anything. it's all waffle spin and talk and no action . me for one. i've and no action. me for one. i've had enough. we've got 42,000 illegal immigrants who have come oven illegal immigrants who have come over. we this we have to declare this a national security threat. and we can't do unless we leave the european of human rights . we the european of human rights. we just can't look we want and never got off the ground because we have to repaint dictated by european. we have to take a leaf out of australia's book where you know zero illegal eyes should come over. you know zero illegal eyes should come over . they will not should come over. they will not be allowed to resettle. here in the uk we to be tough. i mean it but we've got to get rid of the of the european judges dictating to us we can't get anything moving and this is a disaster and you know what tories don't deserve to be in power i thought i'd never say this but this will you know this this immigration crisis will lose them but it won't stop this. nigel i think labour would have a better

alternative . well, labour mean, alternative. well, labour mean, i'm really sorry to . say, as i'm really sorry to. say, as always, sit on the fence. so language don't say what they will do. i mean they're great at giving advice when they're responsible for absolutely nothing . and i think what i'm nothing. and i think what i'm looking at an alternative because the tories deserve to be wiped out , because the tories deserve to be wiped out, you because the tories deserve to be wiped out , you know, what is it? wiped out, you know, what is it? net migration . the uk a new net migration. the uk a new record high of 500,000. that's a huge of nigel nigel. i mean obviously lizzie is very angry. a lot of people and watching today i'm right they're very , today i'm right they're very, very frustrated . and that leads very frustrated. and that leads to feelings and emotions over and some sort of like, you know, rhetoric that isn't very comfortable for any of us to hear.i comfortable for any of us to hear. i mean, you can understand why people are angry. i mean, we know that this winter there will be who can't turn up the be people who can't turn up the heating going to food banks and their taxpayers money is going to put people up in hotels where there is warmth and there is

three meals a day . what would three meals a day. what would you say to someone watching and listening now about that situation and what is being done?! situation and what is being done? i mean, right to be angry, but but there again, we have another problem that that suella braverman could be solving there at home, and that is to reduce the of people waiting to , get the of people waiting to, get their asylum claims process these are the people waiting in hotels , many of them for a year, hotels, many of them for a year, two years, up to three years. and it was 30,000, five years ago. now it's gone up to 100,000. that's because there aren't enough people processing these applications she has increase the number of people actually employed in the home office hasn't. yes. yes. double you know, she's done all those things. but you still have got this huge backlog of people who are stuck in hotels. the system is system broken. we is broken. the system broken. we need to set up offshore centres. we have suggested, but we need to face root them then to come in the event they their asylum asylum application is successful

that would give them a safe route to come here and take the temptation . try and get across temptation. try and get across the channel. lizzie sorry. just quickly, what would you do with the that are currently in the hotels ? well, that's it. i mean, hotels? well, that's it. i mean, we're giving money to france, you know , for the to make minor you know, for the to make minor adjustments people care about the 40,000 that are already here. what would you want to do we have process someone process them quickly . i think that's them quickly. i think that's right. yeah. and let's get losing instead all this talk, spin, you know, waffle . let's do spin, you know, waffle. let's do something and act really do and you know, it's so down. i mean, as you said about the hotels us millions. disease is breaking out and all sorts is going it is absolutely lawless we want to be more expensive so rwanda isn't. it cost you 600,000 for every asylum seeker send to rwanda to be to processed. so that is not an answer. so this is absolutely right. if can process them much more quickly , you get them out more quickly, you get them out of the hotels and lower cost.

well, i say this those of still six months and haven't even noficed six months and haven't even noticed movement not seven minute window for these exact right we just have to wait how do we have to go to our right? look, this show is nothing without you and your views . so without you and your views. so let us welcome one of our great british voices this is your opportunity to be on the show and tell us what you really think about the topics we're discussing this hour. we are heading over to bristol to talk with regular gp. you are lehigh . hello lady . oh, there you are . hello lady. oh, there you are you for the show , right? lee you you for the show, right? lee you heard what ? and now you've had heard what? and now you've had to say immigration and all tourism toast because of it. what would you to say ? oh, well, what would you to say? oh, well, the question now , is it too late the question now, is it too late to solve the migrant crisis can be answered. so two ways. i don't think it's too late to do something . agree with what a lot something. agree with what a lot of the panel have said and some of the panel have said and some of the panel have said and some of the contributors previously ,

of the contributors previously, it's not too late, but going by what far is it too late what seen so far is it too late for the tories to make a change before the next election ? before the next election? probably yes. by going what we've seen so far . the only we've seen so far. the only optimistic spin that i put on this is two weeks is a long time in politics. we've got two years until the next election . that's until the next election. that's like that's an epoch in politic know i googled what the definition an epoch is and that's actually longer than one of robert peston questions. so genuinely that's a huge amount of time. so i think most people understand it's not an easy problem to resolve , but they problem to resolve, but they also understand simply not sustained able to keep how it is but the situation is really bleak for the conservatives . bleak for the conservatives. it's going to take a miracle for them to make any meaningful change . to what? to going on, change. to what? to going on, what's happened so far ? they've what's happened so far? they've been watching the numbers increase over years. admittedly, i think they jumped from about 2019 onwards. but you know

they've been watching this sort of evolve the years and they've done little or nothing to, you know, to solve it. maybe if left, the chp started deporting people who arrived illegally . so people who arrived illegally. so we have a meaningful deterrent because we've never had a meaningful deterrent yet. so we don't know whether that's going to we set up more to work, not we set up more processing sense to france, maybe declare a state of emergency, bring the navy in, possibly visibly patrol our waters. they've done none of this. so badly. unfortunately, i mean we have to call it fly in policies one. thank you so much so much to say. i know yeah yeah and by the sounds but you probably get something done at same time unlike some people we could mention. thank you so much for us today enjoy forjoining us today and enjoy the show right the rest of the show right today. asking is it too late today. i'm asking is it too late for the tories to sell the migrant. are they toast lots ? migrant. are they toast lots? you have been getting in touch with your views. this is sarah . with your views. this is sarah. it is never too late to solve

it, but i don't think i have the will to do an interesting . so will to do an interesting. so far no one has ever talked about a solution, even a programme to integrate migrants . a lot to integrate migrants. a lot to integrate migrants. a lot to integrate isn't the. meanwhile, stephen says the concern party should be ashamed of themselves . still not stopping illegal border crossing from france or reducing immigration, it's far too. meanwhile, mark says the current issues pale into insignificance compared to what yet to come. oh, god, mark, that's not helping. the problem is far being solved. blimey okay, well, there's also a poll up on twitter today. a threw out the show asking it too late for the show asking it too late for the tories to solve migrant crisis. current 70% of you say yes , it is too late and just 30% yes, it is too late and just 30% are saying no , not good news, is are saying no, not good news, is it right ? so are saying no, not good news, is it right? so you're are saying no, not good news, is it right ? so you're with are saying no, not good news, is it right? so you're with us on this. and let me sound the info and then we're on gb news on tv and then we're on gb news on tv and radio after break it's raw. round up the former royal correspondent charles wright

will in studio to give us all that latest gossip from behind the palace rules with see you very shortly don't miss it .

hello. welcome back with only some standing in for it and then a square on gb news on tv and on digital radio, there's always something going in the royal household. and this week has been no different . the duke and been no different. the duke and duchess of cambridge are heading to boston to undertake several royal engagements. that's not far away from harry and meghan, is it ? meanwhile, those two gear is it? meanwhile, those two gear up to accept a humanitaire award for calling out structural racism in the royal family. then dinner party conversation between four of them, wouldn't it? each saturday we give you the rundown on what's going on in those palace walls . i'm in those palace walls. i'm joined today , i'm delighted to

joined today, i'm delighted to say, by my former colleague charles wright to give us a rundown on what's going on. right. okay. so we have two big talking points with the royals this week, don't we? we've got a new the queen by gyles brandreth , a very good friend of hers and very friend of prince philip , very friend of prince philip, also a friend of the of the queen. and well connected. so should we start with that? because this is a model of doing and iteration of this book is on sale now think it's on sale in a week or so perfect perfect christmas gift . and so i was christmas gift. and so i was just just i was shocked i read a bit in the mail today and i shocked that the queen actually bone cancer. well, she had she had she had bone cancer , but had she had bone cancer, but that's not what she died from . that's not what she died from. still, the official version of her death is old age , but the her death is old age, but the bone cancer she had just made feel very tired. so we've now got the explanation as to why she was cancelling quite a few of the engagements she was doing

. and she was very tired and doctors advised not to go to various function and events that she was due to go to . and no, we she was due to go to. and no, we know the reason why , you know, know the reason why, you know, she didn't want to let people down but she realised that she couldn't she couldn't just couldn't she couldn't just couldn't do it and think she did very, very well right up to the end. amazing that last picture charles just fantastic light bright bushy towers and we lost her not long after. why i mean, you know, this is it sounds like a lovely book. and charles was as, you say, a good friend of the family . but i mean, and all the family. but i mean, and all the family. but i mean, and all the time we've got this mobility issue, mobility . why don't they issue, mobility. why don't they just come out and say, look, you know, majesty is suffering know, her majesty is suffering from this causing the from cancer. this is causing the mobility issues because it made all us well. what's wrong? all of us go well. what's wrong? what's should what's wrong? what's should well? family . and well? it's the royal family. and so got this secret so they still got this secret silly thing and people me have got to try and find out these secret and they keep it very quiet. the question is, why did she not have a mobility scooter?

well, we do know that she did have i mean, a very, very nice mobility scooter. and finally, she she was using it. but mobility scooter. and finally, she she was using it . but there she she was using it. but there are certain things i think we got to know quite a bit, given the doctors had said , you know, the doctors had said, you know, things are not great, you know, in the last day or so, i think got that sort of information, which i didn't expect we would get. but this is this is the royal family. they are they keep trying to keep their cards very close to their chests. they do don't this also don't like. and this book also goes into the other big talking point about the sadly for the queen the last hour of the last few of her life with andrew not going to call it prince andrew the andrew affair now the book that she was quite tough on him. yes and that that makes that clear . there yes and that that makes that clear. there was a point where people were saying, oh, the queen she's not she's not doing very much you know, she's he's a favourite son . you know, this favourite son. you know, this favourite son. you know, this favourite son. you know, this favourite son scenario . i've favourite son scenario. i've neven favourite son scenario. i've never, ever been able to, you know, in 30 odd years i've covered the royal family. i've never to find who

never been able to find out who who was favourite . who said he was her favourite. anyway, compunction anyway, she had no compunction in stripping him of his hrh title and telling him it was not going to be involved in all the charities and the military organisation that he was involved in. so but as a sop, she him escort her to the commander's memorial service much to the chagrin of the rest of the family and also to another event at which the royal family didn't think it was a great idea. but she was handing him, you know, a sort as simple as that. and he's never to come back. you know, prince charles , back. you know, prince charles, the king sorry. i know all the time. but you're an expert . time. but you're an expert. yeah, allegedly. the lady they split the king is has made it quite clear to him. there's no way. but you're not. you're not. you're not going to be involved in anything. and no matter how hard went hard he tries i mean, he went off bahrain the other week, off to bahrain the other week, you know, and then came back. well, came. but well, he came, came. but but some say it was a whole of the others say he was paving way to

try some sort of trade try and be some sort of trade ambassador the west , the ambassador between the west, the out arab countries . never out of the arab countries. never going happen. no, no, i don't going to happen. no, no, i don't think any of them want won't say. talking of travelling. say. but talking of travelling. yeah more yeah we get onto the more controversial subject . i mean controversial subject. i mean it's controversial. mean it's not controversial. i mean you know all going to america it is have to just paint a little bit of background here no princess diana when she was alive was a big big favourite of the americans the whole of america. oh, yes . loved her, america. oh, yes. loved her, even to the extent of much more than we in britain did, although we did we did love her. and so we've now got both of her sons are going to be in the same continent within days of continent within few days of each prince harry is each other. now, prince harry is going and are going to be in new york on december the sixth to receive a stupid award , you receive a stupid award, you know, for, you know, fighting and structural racism in the royal . i'm still and structural racism in the royal. i'm still on and structural racism in the royal . i'm still on the fence royal. i'm still on the fence about feathers about . i really about feathers about. i really am. so there's to be they're doing that with some sort of kennedy foundation the ripple of hope meanwhile in boston 200

miles away with arm of the kennedy family prince william and catherine the prince and princess of wales are going to be and william's going to be doing his earthshot prize giving. and catherine is going to be doing a few charity events, including meeting younger children and everything else no , that's going to be else no, that's going to be within a few days of that. no suggestion at all that they're going to be together in any shape or form, because as you quite rightly said earlier on, wouldn't you love to be a fly on wall with that conversation? you and we've got the situation as well that there's supposed to well is that there's supposed to be some sort of netflix coming out sometime in december but yes the meghan how they're taking part in although with some suggestion how they wanted that delayed till after christmas but partly going ahead then partly that's going ahead then you've got spare the boot coming out on january the 10th. it's not going to be an easy ride. anybody in the royal family over the next two months, the next next two months, they're not going to see each other, are no, they're other, are they? no, they're not, harry not, because william and harry

and been invited to the and meghan been invited to the sandringham festivities . it sandringham festivities. it looks like they're not going to turn up, which is another against his father. turn up, which is another against his father . king and against his father. king and it's going to be back to a traditional sandringham christmas , which we haven't had christmas, which we haven't had for two years because the queen and covid have affected. she's nice it's not a happy no. yeah. christmas christmas at sandringham. thank you very much. pleasure. joining us, sir charles wright you're with do need some info or nana akua on gp more to come in the next hour so stay me . so stay me. you always do need covering for nana akua on a gb news on tv and digital radio. this hour as the controversy around the world cup continues, i'll be asking , continues, i'll be asking, should we be boycotting qatari ? should we be boycotting qatari? you'd be surprised how much get involved in your life without you knowing it. plus, i'll be

testing my knowledge on the events of the week in. our quickfire quiz . but first, let's quickfire quiz. but first, let's get the latest news headlines . get the latest news headlines. good afternoon. it 5:00 i'm out armstrong in the jb newsroom. an independent review . the london independent review. the london fire brigade has found the service to be institutionally massaging and racist are national reporter theo chikomba is outside the afp's headquarters for still more. can you tell us about the detail in this new report . yes nazeer this new report. yes nazeer afzal , the former chief crime afzal, the former chief crime prosecutor in north—west. he wrote a report including other professionals. they spent ten months looking into the culture of london fire brigade and just a few examples in there. they had stories of women being groped in, training exercises and having to run a daily gauntlet of sex test abuse. again, frequently euthanised

banter. many were routinely to as women or from bottom by colleagues and more someone punched and in response the commissioner , the london fire commissioner, the london fire brigade, he says from today it would be completely clear to all staff behaviour isn't acceptable and what the consequences will be . now in the report it does be. now in the report it does speak about what can be done next. some of the managers saying we need more teeth because they know there are some who are not using their position correctly and they want more power to be able to take some of those out and nazeer afzal today earlier if we're hearing stories this and accounts from staff saying they're not safe then neither are we. theo, thank you very much indeed, theo chikomba. our reporting for us live from southern wylie . commissioner southern wylie. commissioner andy rowe has vowed to change the culture and has welcomed the recommendations by the review. we're to conduct a five year case review. so we look back across all those cases , those

across all those cases, those terrible behaviours as example of bullying and harassment which have been considered before you . nsp and put them back that external accreditation process and i do expect some people to be dismissed . as a result, we be dismissed. as a result, we will become the first service in the country to wear body worn video cameras to ensure both the safety of our staff and to reassure the. so these are examples of what we're doing immediately. a has died and around ten people are still missing after a landslide in italy. it happened on the houday italy. it happened on the holiday island. ischia which has been hit by heavy rains recently. buildings have been by the mudslides and dozens of homes remain cut off. emergency services are continuing . search services are continuing. search and rescue operation rail travel is being disrupted this weekend with of further walkouts come. train drivers at 11 companies have been walking out and long running dispute over pay. tomorrow they will refuse to work overtime in a separate row over terms and conditions that

may well cause more disruption for passengers. the general secretary of aslef is due to meet the transport secretary harper next week to discuss dispute . ukraine's president dispute. ukraine's president vladimir zelenskyy has hosted a food security summit with the prime ministers of belgium , prime ministers of belgium, poland and lithuania and the president of hungary, zelenskyy says approximately 6 million people in ukraine are without electricity after a series of russian attacks on the country's infrastructure this week . mayor infrastructure this week. mayor of ukraine vitali klitschko claims around 70% of households in kyiv remain without power. it comes as the united nations called for humanitarian aid to be delivered to the people of ukraine because they have been left without power following those attacks . and british those attacks. and british military intelligence says russia's removing nuclear from old cruise missiles before using them for attacks in ukraine. the body believes , the move body believes, the move highlights moscow's low of

long—range missiles missiles . long—range missiles missiles. and no manager, gareth southgate has played down boos from disappointed fans . their draw disappointed fans. their draw with the usa at the world cup last night. it means england missed out on a chance guarantee a place in the last 16. supporters set a fanzone inside london appeared to be a less than happy throwing cups and spraying drinks. england will face wales next. wales need a victory to keep up any of their to make the knockout stages. the former england manager sam , former england manager sam, allardyce, though, says he's still hopeful can win the tournament. there's enough in the backrooms , manager. there's the backrooms, manager. there's enough experience . the squad now enough experience. the squad now having gone through two tournaments that they've got the tools to win this competition . tools to win this competition. but gareth needs use. the squad to its full potential and that means for me quite a few changes for the next game . flashdance for the next game. flashdance and famous irene cara has passed away at the of 63. the grammy

winning musician oscar winning musician as . well, as best known musician as. well, as best known for singing and co—writing flashdance. what a feeling her publicist not surpassing her florida home on twitter. the cause of her death remains unknown. and this is we will bnng unknown. and this is we will bring you more as it happens. but now back , donny, some . but now back, donny, some. hi. i'm doing this and i'm still with me for the next hour . it's with me for the next hour. it's broadcast and columnist lizzie cundy and political editor sunday mirror sunday people nigel nelson . coming up it's my nigel nelson. coming up it's my difficult former chelsea player. i'm taking my glass. difficult former chelsea player. i'm taking my glass . i don't i'm taking my glass. i don't know my own intelligent . and know my own intelligent. and former chelsea player gavin

peacock will be in the studio to talk about life on and off the pitch and hear me tell him about his journey . footballing legend his journey. footballing legend to christian minister for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking it time to boycott qatari money. ubs prize. how much, by the way they invest in this country . qatar much, by the way they invest in this country. qatar has much, by the way they invest in this country . qatar has launched this country. qatar has launched a review of its investment in the capital after london's transport authority banned qatar tourism adverts on buses and trains . is it tourism adverts on buses and trains. is it time to make a stand ? the country's political stand? the country's political beliefs , given the human rights beliefs, given the human rights record ? should the country record? should the country boycott qatari money? email db at gbnews.uk or tweet us at gb news. right . at gbnews.uk or tweet us at gb news. right. it's time for this week's a difficult conversation and. today we are speaking to am thrilled to be speaking to the former professional footballer now turned church minister gavin

peacock . gavin had a peacock. gavin had a professional football career spanning 18 years from the eighties . spanning 18 years from the eighties. the early spanning 18 years from the eighties . the early 2000, most eighties. the early 2000, most notably playing chelsea the west newcastle, sorry and queens park rangers . when peacock retired rangers. when peacock retired from professional football , he from professional football, he became a sports pundit before going on to study theology and, becoming a christian minister. last year, gavin released an autobiography called a greater glory talking his life from football to serving to gavin son .jake football to serving to gavin son . jake peacock was born without a right hand, but that's not stopped him from fulfilling his dreams . this is a message for dreams. this is a message for all of us, jake, a mighty professional fighter , having won professional fighter, having won the north american super title , the north american super title, gavin has shown how important his faith is, especially with the beautiful game which has raised so many serious questions, hasn't it, during this world cup and delighted more than delighted . he joins me more than delighted. he joins me now in the studio . welcome to

now in the studio. welcome to the show, gavin. thank you so much for coming. i really, really appreciate it . a really appreciate it. a remarkable story , especially remarkable story, especially about your son as well. very inspirational, which i know is your message . however, i am your message. however, i am going to have to ask about the big talking point. the world cup . can i just get your on? what is going on the debate about rights. where do you stand on this whole world cup in football . well it's a difficult one for sure and there are questions to be asked about . the sure and there are questions to be asked about. the human rights situation . but number one, situation. but number one, i don't think the world cup should be played in qatar because it's splitting the season apart for too many countries that play on that on that level alone as football fan, that's really painful. yeah my club, it's actually probably not such bad , actually probably not such bad, so that's disturbing. so so that's very disturbing. so you've a country if you've got to be a country if you're host able to you're in a host that's able to host it at right time of the yearin host it at right time of the year in terms the of the year in terms of the of the human rights situation and,

their particular beliefs, there are spheres of sovereignty. and if you're going to another country, you have to respect those particular. and so on. so my particular take is there should be a certain respect any fans that are going there of particular customs the alcohol issue and that if you don't then don't go and we can all there's been a lot of virtue signalling going on and i think too much so we've taken of the knee and the armbands and so on this is a stage to display the beautiful game . sure but we can be a bit game. sure but we can be a bit i think sometimes ourselves we think, oh you shouldn't go, you go. and then we're watching it and we're making all sorts of comments and so we can actually get into a position actually, we're holier thou. so i we're acting holier thou. so i think it's still going to be a great tournament. i think there are questions to be asked. i think the footballers should get on with playing football and shouldn't pawns it shouldn't be used as pawns in it or actually making their own

particular . and i've particular statements. and i've spoken enough fans that have gone they just want to see the game played. you know the other side is actually detracting from it. it is as a football fan, it is a nuisance. it. it is as a football fan, it is a nuisance . we are discussing is a nuisance. we are discussing constantly the rights issue, but the qataris have human rights because of their faith . now, you because of their faith. now, you are a former football and a man of faith yourself . so can you of faith yourself. so can you understand their take? well, this is our faith. this is religion. we have a right to do what we want to do in our country . so do you do you agree country. so do you do you agree that to a certain extent, i don't agree with a lot of the human rights policies? absolutely but what i am saying is that these you have to have spheres of sovereignty in different countries. and so , you different countries. and so, you know, people can't just go to another country and impose themselves on that country straightaway, especially they have would say the have visitors. we would say the same thing about people moving this country. you come in and this country. if you come in and as migrant or as a you're

as as a migrant or as a you're ianed as as a migrant or as a you're invited into our home as such, so then you abide by our rules. if you invited someone into your house, they would abide by your rules. they don't just come in and start moving furniture and start moving the furniture around what they want around and doing what they want to. so for a competition a sporting like that, sporting competition like that, i to be maybe a i think there to be maybe a certain grace, a certain respect given as much as possible. now you've actually been a commentator as well , you've actually been a commentator as well, i think ,2,008. you commentated the world in 2006, slightly less world cup in 2006, slightly less controversial, if you will still working as a commentator would you have been happy to go to qatar and work ? yeah, i would qatar and work? yeah, i would have gone. i have gone as a part of whatever commentary team i was working for and i would have done the job and i would have avoided speaking as much as about the political stuff, because we do have an issue with lots of people who all seem to be called by of like, you know, i'm doing this for the human rights and raising and then taking all the money. yeah the taking all the money. yeah the taking yeah. so what's taking over. yeah. so what's opinion on that. well i think

you need exercise wisdom you just need to exercise wisdom and be able to, you and you need to be able to, you need to be. i have category in your mind is whether you're going work on on the going there to work on on the world beautiful game biggest world cup beautiful game biggest and best occasion in my view in the world and you can do that and separate these you know i think don't nowadays with social media everyone's an expert everyone's got an opinion and everyone's got an opinion and everyone's political expert as . everyone's political expert as. well as a sporting expert , i well as a sporting expert, i think that maybe elevates people's opinion of themselves too much their own mind. so i think people that are going to do the job, do the job on the football and let's not make it all about politics, it will spoil it. and as former player, you obviously must have sympathy for the young men in very, very young, like the young players out there, an amazing opportunity to play in the world cup. i mean, you know, really, really. oh, my god , this is it. really. oh, my god, this is it. this is the highlight of could the highlight of my entire career. yeah. how do you

career. yeah yeah. how do you think young lads think those young lads know you've this situation ? you've been in this situation? you've how are you've been a player. how are those feeling with all those lads feeling now with all this police furore going on around ? do i wear an arm? yeah, around? do i wear an arm? yeah, itake around? do i wear an arm? yeah, i take the knee. what do i do. how do i go with. well that's exactly right. you know it's too much too much pressure you much is too much pressure you could get paid to could say. well they get paid to under pressure. that's under the pressure. yeah that's , that's they're still , that's true but they're still young. young people. you young. young people. i mean you saw bellingham perform saw jude bellingham perform brilliantly in first game. he wasn't the best the other day , wasn't the best the other day, but but he's a young guy and. he's built up after one game. he's built up after one game. he's just going to be one of the best midfielders in world. and so you just see that pressure can weigh on someone, let alone sort pressure to actually sort of pressure to actually political statements. and these are guys. these young guys are young guys. these young guys haven't life yet. do haven't lived any life yet. do you think should you do you think they should have to wear have been under pressure to wear an , take the do an armband, take the knee? do you that should have just you think that should have just we should have just ignored those play those issues, let them play football? definitely. those issues, let them play foot shouldn't definitely. those issues, let them play foot shouldn't be definitely. those issues, let them play foot shouldn't be taking itely. those issues, let them play foot shouldn't be taking knee. you shouldn't be taking knee. you shouldn't be taking knee. you that should been a you know, that should been a statement was made a while ago

about this . and he's gone way about this. and he's gone way past that now and it's lost its power and he's actually annoying people . i think it's annoying. people. i think it's annoying. many genuine fans, it was nothing to do with racism. it's just like like you said, we just want to watch the football. yeah. so do you think all yeah. so do do you think all this this fuss, detract this this fuss, though, detract from the young ones? from england the young ones? england's chances of actually lifting that world cup . it could lifting that world cup. it could do with england. it's always barrel of laughs and pressure and all the pipe paper newspaper ferrari around it so it could do so for the sake you know our young players for the sake of our young team, because we have got a talented young team . yeah, got a talented young team. yeah, i think we need to ease off it a little bit and, and let them play little bit and, and let them play . they've got a difficult play. they've got a difficult game coming up, but tactically they can still get through, still in a great position to get through. i remember game against scotland in the euros year. it was lacklustre a bit similar to the to the game against the usa scotland raised their game usa their game against england and

we still got through and got to the final by gareth southgate getting little bit of stick but he manager got his first he is a manager got his first major final since 1966 and he can still do well with a talented england . i would just talented england. i would just say that i'd like to see maybe a certain stages just a little bit more adventurous nature bringing on the likes of foden and grealish and those real match winners. i they should have come on a bit earlier will certainly get on tour and possession and control of the midfield again. we could win it this year. we could. well, whether we will or not is another thing but we certainly the talent in the side to do it and there's been a lot of upsets already with you smaller teams stadium bigoted so i mean argentina i mean the germans i mean all our favourites to hate in this country. yeah and we've been a major final not that long ago as well so those boys have had some experience going all the to it to a final so yeah i'm confident

that the england do really well fingers crossed. well let's talk about another inspirational man, your son jake . and he tells your son jake. and he tells a bit more about jake and what he's been through and how he's doing. sure well, jake was born i was at newcastle united at the end of the season. we got promotion to the premier league. our first child and my wife literally went into labour two weeks after the end of the season . i was captain of the season. i was captain of the team and anyway, it was a very difficult two days. it was and was eventually born . the cord was eventually born. the cord was eventually born. the cord was the umbilical cord was wrapped around his neck and all of this and we just looked see if it's a boy or girl. boy and then he cried and his arms went out to the side. and we saw that part. his right arm was missing in those days we didn't. we only had one scan. was had one scan. so it was a complete shock to us. and anyway, jake's they've developed. he started playing sports at a young age and his mother put him into martial, into karate, did really . and at

into karate, did really. and at the time we left for canada, he was 14, 15 years old and he'd already developed to be an international level competitor international level competitor in canada. he took up tai in the end and he's kind of his number one and he's got the north american super welterweight belt as well. and next year he is in as well. and next year he is in a tony mahan held in calgary that if he need to beat three guys to win the tournament, if he does, he wins a $100,000 contract with , one championship, contract with, one championship, which is the biggest fight promoter in the world, jake, is 29 now. and so he he owns his own gym. he's married to krista we a little grandson charlie by then and one on the way and just i think jake's story is a story of an amazing ability to overcome adversity and to think

outside the box as . well and so outside the box as. well and so that's what makes him a good coach in his gym and that's what makes him somebody to up to for anyone around the proper inspiration to be very proud of him. yeah and talking of journeys hate that phrase is so tv reality show but talking of journeys your journey from football which is not the sometimes the cleanest cast professions to a man of faith i mean how difficult has that been when you because you've discovered faith at quite a young age? yes. yes what sort of reaction did you get fellow players when you would go to church on a sunday while they doing things that maybe weren't classed as. yeah, as as clean cut as that, shall we say . yeah. cut as that, shall we say. yeah. i was 18 when i became a christian and i was at queen's park rangers. we were a first division team, premier league team. now and yeah, i became a christian . thought football was christian. thought football was my god to begin with. and i became a professional and because football was my god, if

i played well, i was really up. if i played badly, i was and then i went along to the local church, one night i went back the minister's house after where was a youth meeting . and they was a youth meeting. and they were young people my age. they have what i had the car, the money, the fame, but they prayed and they knew jesus christ. and there was a they had that i didn't have . and then i heard didn't have. and then i heard the gospel and i believed in in christ. and i was i was saved soundly saved 18. and i told the lads literally the next day as i went into the dressing room and picked out one of those born again christians and it was met with would say a mixture of a little of mockery because lads in the dressing if you if you wear a new and new jacket and you tie, you know, anything like that, anything new, anything different. but then there was intrigue well , i different. but then there was intrigue well, i think. intrigue as well, i think. then they watched and they watched my life and footballers know, footballers as shrewd, you know, they'll see , you know, your walk they'll see, you know, your walk doesn't talk . i they'll see, you know, your walk doesn't talk. i had doesn't match your talk. i had amazing of career amazing opportunities of career to talk to different players

about faith about the christian faith and yeah you'll be amazed at the different. i had my wife and i hosted london christian footballer's bible study at our house during the 1990s. chris paul, house during the 1990s. chris paul , who's house during the 1990s. chris paul, who's involved, have been involved with the england set up himself. we used to come to that as well so yeah there was an influence there and certainly in my book i lay out really from the football pitch to pundit to pulpit but there's a greater glory life than football, fame and fortune and that's a great unfortunately we have to leave it there. but thank you so much for coming in. my pleasure. all the best for jake with this competition. and i will be the grandad. thank you so grandad. thank you. thank you so much coming right. much for coming in. right. coming up, it's the great british debate this hour . coming up, it's the great british debate this hour. i'm asking is it time to qatari money ? qatar has launched money? qatar has launched a review of its investments in the uk capital after transport

authority banned qatari tourism adverts , buses and trains . is it adverts, buses and trains. is it time to make a stand against a country's political beliefs given the human rights record? first, let's go to a break.

hi, you're with some covering full and then a square on a gb news on tv and, on digital radio . time for our great british debate feel like i need a drum roll for that, don't you? this hour i'm asking it. time to boycott qatar money it's all has launched a review of its investments in the uk capital after transport authority banned . the qatari tourist tourism adverts on buses, taxis and on the underground according to the report qatar alone is the 10th largest landowner , a route that

largest landowner, a route that owns the 10th largest landowner in the uk. owning such as harrah's and the. so is it time to make a stand against the country's political beliefs given human rights record . given human rights record. earlier this year the government issued a number of financial sanctions against russia over moscow's in ukraine but it's also uk has the fiscal ability to outright ban other investors to outright ban other investors to help build infrastructure . so to help build infrastructure. so the great british debate this hour i'm asking is it time to boycott qatari money . i'm joined boycott qatari money. i'm joined by political commentator sam dowler . had a lovely sunday. dowler. had a lovely sunday. also i was wondering if you're going to pop up there on my screen, but there you are. thank you so much forjoining us this afternoon. right. i was absolutely stunned to realise how much money qatar had invested in in london . i mean, invested in in london. i mean, you know, they built the shard. they own canary wharf, sorry ,

they own canary wharf, sorry, this might sound a bit london centric to other people, but the qataris are now threatening to withdraw money invest withdraw that money, invest it in around uk. in other cities around uk. surely it's given the human rights issues and you're quite vocal , the whole that the gay vocal, the whole that the gay are quite rightly so . surely are quite rightly so. surely it's are quite rightly so. surely wsfime are quite rightly so. surely it's time we did something definite to our disapproval of money and the human rights issues and maybe not take so much money from them. what do you think ? you know, are i think you think? you know, are i think if this was five years ago, then we had a point and we've had brexit since then. we've had russia—ukraine war since then. you know, we where we are imposing sanctions on, you know, on russian oligarchs , you'd like on russian oligarchs, you'd like to have reported plenty money into london and you know and also with our own cost of living crisis, we simply can't afford to lose the qatari money. and of

course , you know, i am an lgbtq course, you know, i am an lgbtq advocate , you know, and i and advocate, you know, and i and one of the reasons why is become a massive deal is of fifa. one of the reasons why is become a massive deal is of fifa . such a massive deal is of fifa. such a massive deal is of fifa. such a massive deal themselves about lgbt rights and gay pads, etc. and then obviously taking the secretary's money and then obviously for all that's happened since then, i this has been! happened since then, i this has been i would say , pr nightmare been i would say, pr nightmare for qatar because all it has doneis for qatar because all it has done is shine a light on the human rights abuses and so it's a come back to and that we should but i mean i would say don't it would be always impossible for us to boycott money. i mean, like like you said, the shard harrods when you know, when i go into harrods, they didn't ask me to stop so gay, for example. so, i mean what exactly would be doing? well i thought that interesting. that's exactly what the advice was for gay fans to qatar, wasn't it? can you just not be quite so gay for three weeks? i mean, quite what that actually means is another matter. but i

mean, it surely by taking all this money, we are being as hypocritical as various galleries, who we we're talking about here, who and one mr. beckham. so i mean, we have to draw a line somewhere. we can't rant and rave about it. and just accept the money. can we? well, i as i said, this was, you know, this you know, this is have been happening for years . qatar, your happening for years. qatar, your money. mean, you just money. i mean, you don't just you just build you know, you don't just build a show it or not even just own show on it or not even just own harrods overnight. is this harrods overnight. this is this is this is huge. and i'm like i said, dignity was only to said, dignity was only come to the because of the world the fore because of the world cup, they fought so to get. cup, they fought so hard to get. and, it's we just we and, you know, it's we just we just don't have we don't have the money in this . and since the money in this. and since obviously know who was sold the white elephant of brexit . you white elephant of brexit. you know we don't have we don't have relations don't have relations with eu anymore. and russia eu qatar will them off the way of as i mean we just we just can't do it course it's lovely to have

it's up to have our morals but we've done myself and so a whole that would be impossible to go morals it's dangerous morals money. it's a dangerous combination joined by combination. i'm also joined by social policy analyst dr. rakhi hossain. hello, ricky . thank you hossain. hello, ricky. thank you so much forjoining us today. so much for joining us today. what what's your take on this? i i as i said to sam just now, i was genuinely stunned at how much money is invested london by the qataris. should we should be accepting so much the as in virtually do. and i just don't think that we really have a choice. this is the kind of economic orthodoxy we've been promoting for decades . we have a promoting for decades. we have a hyper financialized , intensely hyper financialized, intensely globalised economy. and that a great deal of foreign investment in london in particular as said at the turn of the century, the qatar royal family. i mean, buying up a great deal of property in the capital. so now that they have they've gained such a foothold in our capital

economy, to then say we boycott qatar, the 30 money. i just don't think that's that's that's not economically possible to do so. and one of the interesting things the promise mccabe is our a bigger investment india issues and sort of like environmental issues to help us with you know meet the targets we have set for ourselves. i mean if we said no to that, then surely we would be to that, then surely we would be to ourselves and forced to the planet . absolutely i think that, planet. absolutely i think that, of course, there's discussions to be had in terms of how much foreign investment we should have, in terms of property being bought up in london. there's a great deal of qatar ownership in westminster and i think really, really interesting point to make doing is that looking at recent census figures of, great number of people have actually left westminster people who are living there locally , possibly living there locally, possibly because they simply can't afford buy there and. foreign buy property there and. foreign investment in terms of wealthy

foreign building, their property portfolio through london properties, that's feeding into . now of course there will be people will be very concerned about qatar's record when it comes to human rights . a great comes to human rights. a great deal has been talked about that over the course of the world cup . qatar also has traditionally been accused of sponsoring islamist extremism. there's been there's been great concerns over its support for the muslim brotherhood , over its brotherhood, over its relationship with with iran as well. but reality is, is that we've promoted economic model where. we really wanted london to be this sort of financial centre. so then to say that all we want, we don't want corporate money because of its human rights record . we just when rights record. we just when we're not in the luxurious to do that front, it's something you say to them. i that's putting you back in. yes, you are right . i've got back to you now. so, i mean, will we ever be in that situation, though , given what

situation, though, given what you're both being saying about dependency to ever stand our own two feet financially, some . i'm two feet financially, some. i'm i mean, how long's a piece of string? i mean, you could you could see i mean, obviously, that would be that would be fantastic. but we see you fantastic. but we don't see you don't resources. don't have the resources. i mean, like exports. mean, qatar like exports. they're number one exporter they're the number one exporter of gas in, the world. of natural gas in, the world. so, i mean, like , i mean, this so, i mean, like, i mean, this is i mean, i completely agree with this is impossible with ricky. this is impossible to untangle what has what we have asked qatar to tangle themselves up in. i mean of course. of course. we disagree but you know the human rights record was exactly same 5 minutes when we were going going cap in hand. so i mean this is you know the we the things you know the that we the things that could have controlled that we could have controlled such brexit for example have such as brexit for example have been on the economy , been damaging on the economy, say, oh oh oh, it has nothing to fruition unfortunately don't like what i'm saying is not going to be the brexit has left

and the pandemic left us in a position whereby we cannot be turning our backs on qatar , like turning our backs on qatar, like how they live their lives. we keep one last word for you. i mean , what if we can't turn down mean, what if we can't turn down the money? what message should we be given to the qataris ? we be given to the qataris? well, i think that when it comes to human rights abuses , which to human rights abuses, which have taken place in qatar, especially the build up to the world cup, i that it's right for people in the uk raise those issues . how members of lgbt issues. how members of lgbt community are treated qatar. but i think that we can do that but in terms of making that moral stance but then also talking about rejecting finances financial interests in london unfortunate i just think that would be a step too far logic because the economic model that promoted especially in our caphal promoted especially in our capital. right. okay. well, thank you very much for joining me this afternoon, sam and mccabe and have a lovely rest of

your weekend and. right. okay. well you're with niece and that's covering for nana that's me. i'm covering for nana akua gb news tv and digital akua on gb news tv and digital radio . coming up, we'll continue radio. coming up, we'll continue our great british debate. i'm asking it. time to boycott qatar . we money in sight. you'll the thoughts of my panel broadcaster , columnist, lizzie cundy and political editor at the sunday mirror and sunday people , nigel mirror and sunday people, nigel nelson. but first, the latest news headlines . it's 534. i'm news headlines. it's 534. i'm out. armstrong in the gb newsroom the head of the london fire brigade says firefighters are fighting to have bully colleagues who have been racist, misogynistic or homophobic will be andy rowe says there be sacked. andy rowe says there will be a zero tolerance approach after independent review found a toxic culture , review found a toxic culture, racism and misogyny in the service . the report revealed service. the report revealed accounts a black firefighter who had a noose placed by his locker , women being groped and people having their helmets filled with

urine. the review was commissioned after a trainee firefighter took life in firefighter took his own life in 2020. we are going to a five year case review, so we look back across all those cases those terrible behaviours as examples , bullying and examples, bullying and harassment which had been considered before in nfp and put them back through in the process. and i do expect some people to be dismissed . as people to be dismissed. as a result, we will become the first service in the country to body worn video cameras to ensure both the safety of our staff and to reassure the public. so these are examples of what we're doing immediately a woman's died and around ten people are missing after heavy rainfall . landslides after heavy rainfall. landslides on the southern italy island of ischia this morning. mudslide cut through a port town . cut through a port town. buildings and sweeping cars , the buildings and sweeping cars, the sea. dozens of people are reportedly stranded inside and hotels as continue to search for victims . travel this weekend victims. travel this weekend could be further affected by

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hello. welcome back. i'm dawn nissim . this is a gb news on nissim. this is a gb news on your tv and your digital radio . your tv and your digital radio. it's time for our great british debate this hour. come on drum roll. drum roll. i'm is it time to boycott your money? qatar has launched a review of its investments london and has lots of them after the city's transport authority banned the qatari tourism advert in nearly

all forms of transport. according to the reports alone is the 10th largest landowner in the uk owning properties such as the uk owning properties such as the harrods the ritz shard. you know, the big pointy thing canary wool. heathrow airport . canary wool. heathrow airport. so is it time ? make a stand so is it time? make a stand against the country's beliefs given that human rights record. so for the great british debate this hour i'm asking is it time to boycott qatari money ? let's to boycott qatari money? let's see what our panel make of this . i'm joined by our broadcast star and columnist lizzie cundy and the political editor of the sunday mirror. on sunday, people, nigel nelson . welcome people, nigel nelson. welcome back. the pair of you had nice first outside nice cup of tea like i'm. so what do we of this? i was genuinely shocked to read how much qatar money has built london . did you know that ? it london. did you know that? it was news to me. and they've also another 10 billion investment on

the way. and that's the whole point about this. i think that the. yeah. what the what your other two guests were saying is it comes down to do you believe in doing the right thing or you want money. it is really is want the money. it is really is as simple as that. so back in 1997, labour in the then 1997, when labour in the then foreign secretary robin cook, he introduced an ethical foreign policy and that took a bit of a not with the invasion of iraq, obviously and everyone's forgotten about. yeah. now you want to be ethical. now we don't take qatar money. we don't take saudi money, which means our defence would probably collapse. it is a question really of we do the right thing, not deal with that. we disagree with , or we that. we disagree with, or we say look. we're actually rather poor we'll take money from it. whoever wants to give to us, as a former boss of mine, once ethics or that's a place just north ten, isn't it? and i think he's not alone in that view . but he's not alone in that view. but the bottom line is, we can't afford no can now. we can't afford no can now. we can't afford it . it's a bit like afford it. it's a bit like closing the stable to after the

horse has bolted . and as you horse has bolted. and as you said , if we boycott qatar , then said, if we boycott qatar, then we have to look at other other islamic states, such saudi turkey, the emirates, you know, so forth . look, we had a big so forth. look, we had a big chance here to make a, you know, make a stance against a horrific, barbaric human rights abuses by not going to the world cup for the big football pundits to say, you know what, we're not going to go. gary lineker gary neville to say, you what we believe that what do is so wrong to the gay community. believe that what do is so wrong to the gay community . you know, to the gay community. you know, women . women. exactly and, you women. women. exactly and, you know , the trans community. know, the trans community. i mean, they've a friend that was out there and actually had their head shaved. it's awful for the trans community by the police and you. yes. and they used the clean kleenex. take the mike wilson . use that as evidence wilson. use that as evidence against them. now, this is kept quiet . and of course, people out

quiet. and of course, people out there at the minute saying, oh, we're having a great time. they're treating fine. well, of course but we forget. course they will. but we forget. life go after the world life will go on after the world cup and people like gary lineker had chance to really up had a chance to really stand up , do something. but instead, he's over saying, well, he's over there saying, well, you i will about the you know, i will about it, the human but i'll i'm human rights, but i'll i'm taking of pounds still taking millions of pounds still . and there , you know, . and over there, you know, presenting it . so it's very presenting it. so it's very hypocritical. i'm angry about it. i did a piece yesterday saying, i think the footballers, wives and girlfriends mad to go out to qatar. i mean, they can't even take a selfie in case. it's in front of a national. they've got watch where they dress. they can't doing these can't, you know, doing all these other and i think someone should have stuck up for what's right and surely they should also be thinking about the women actor who has get permission from a male relative to do literally anything, even if that male relative is sexual of year old son. nigel know clare, your lovely wife, she's not actually watching this. no, she's boycotting. i mean, she's a football fan. exactly it's sort

of it's a bit of an irony. i don't really like football , but don't really like football, but i watching england in i do like watching england in international competitions . so international competitions. so i only discovered when we were about play abroad and i said, well, sit down and the. well, let's sit down and the. watch the game. and clare wouldn't it. no, she wouldn't do it. no, she actually, she no, i'm not. actually, she said, no, i'm not. i'm the whole thing. i'm boycotting the whole thing. well, much same well, i'm sorry. much the same your wife, because i love football, know . don't all your wife, because i love f

one stadium before they won the cup, mean, we all cup, didn't they? i mean, we all know corrupt, but us know it's corrupt, but us excepting qatar. blood money is blood money . people die building blood money. people die building those stadiums make us as corrupt and hypocritical as . and corrupt and hypocritical as. and everyone . gary. well, at end of everyone. gary. well, at end of the day, that's what. that's absolutely right. the money, we are complicit . and sadly, are complicit. and sadly, i think of all those poor lives that were lost building stadium. it cost $200 billion to make and half for the majority of the workers said didn't get paid. horrific conditions and sadly many deaths . horrific conditions and sadly many deaths. i'd be very interested to see what does happen, because this is this debate has been prompted by a tfl banning qatari advert and this is the same tfl part of city council london who have just extended the low emission zone cover the whole london. qatari investment. you mentioned earlier an idea of qatari investment. you mentioned earlier an idea 0 qatari investment. you mentioned earlier an idea of £10 billion was due to help with the clean energy in this. exactly. be very

interesting to see whether sadiq khan actually says, okay , it's khan actually says, okay, it's the green thing at the moment. sadiq says he wasn't part of this decision. it was taken by tfl. but i think the qataris will will punish london as a whole . yeah, definitely. and whole. yeah, definitely. and sadly, this is all about money, isn't it ? and isn't it? is very isn't it? and isn't it? is very sad. and i'm sorry me this shows the very ugly of the beautiful game and not watching the world cup. no, i'm admit i'm not. and it was incredibly hard night because the husband who i can't stop watching it, to be fair, had it on in the corner of the room. and i was of like room. and i was sort of like studious, working on my computer. could hear computer. and i could hear swearing asleep . it swearing and falling asleep. it wasn't exciting. thankfully wasn't very exciting. thankfully but yeah. so it's an interesting debate. but as i said is basically blood money. we're talking about here is. right. well this is nothing without you your views so let's welcome some of our great british now this is your opinion as they should be on the show and tell us what you really think about the topics

we're discussing today. i'm joined by of my great british voices let's start with dr. se. motley are from milton keynes. i hope i'm pronouncing that right . that's perfect. dawn thank you for having me on. it's been wonderful to watch you tonight. yes you have a pronounced address . excellent. good. address. excellent. good. i normally can't my own name, so that's a vast improvement. so what's your take on this one? i mean , you know, you're you're mean, you know, you're you're quite clearly a woman or you are identifying as a woman . what's identifying as a woman. what's your take on the qatar world cup ? the fact that we take so much money from a regime that women not even as second class citizens, as third class citizens, as third class citizens don't. i agree . i think citizens don't. i agree. i think that we should boycott qatar money for so many reasons we need to take a against the qataris for all that they you know their beliefs and how they

treat the lgbt the gay community women and also migrant workers . women and also migrant workers. we know that they obviously there's been a lot abuse for migrant workers, lots of them have lost their lives . we have have lost their lives. we have the gay community. there's laws against homosexuals and arrests have been made forceful, hoppy, homophobic . have been made forceful, hoppy, homophobic. for have been made forceful, hoppy, homophobic . for expressing have been made forceful, hoppy, homophobic. for expressing your gender identity and also forced conversion therapy. so for so many reasons dawn i do think we should boycott the story money even if we can't afford you know you've heard from , nigel. we you've heard from, nigel. we need to do the right thing . and need to do the right thing. and gavin said that he didn't think that the qatar should have had a held the world cup. so to be honest, i agree we should not never had the world cup in. qatar, thank you so much for that. qatar, thank you so much for that . let's move on to alan that. let's move on to alan mcneely from grimsby. but can we afford it, alan. that's the $64,000 or several billion

dollar question here often. and the money's already here. we trade with all across the world many of those regimes. we don't like. but i think it would incredibly hypocritical to criticise and independent country who has its own laws, its own customs and its way of doing things. we may not like that. i'm that's fine, but it's not for us to impose our and our standards on someone . you could standards on someone. you could argue that the world cup being held in qatar will expose the people of qatar to a variety of different cultures . that in different cultures. that in itself might help to change what's going on at the time. but for us to sit back and with the moral flag i find that absolutely ridiculous. britain has made this mistake. absolutely ridiculous. britain has made this mistake . alan, i has made this mistake. alan, i do take notice further for the sake of the women , obviously the sake of the women, obviously the gay community, that are out there. they have to be out there. they have to be out there. now we're going to hear

from doogan and you're from brian doogan and you're calling from solihull . what calling us from solihull. what would like to say ? hi, don. would you like to say? hi, don. how are you doing ? i agree with how are you doing? i agree with lizzie and i thought they summed it up perfectly . as much as it's it up perfectly. as much as it's completely abhorrent, sadly , the completely abhorrent, sadly, the horse has bolted on the stable dooris horse has bolted on the stable door is gone and the qatari regime is morally and ethically ethically repugnant . but we do ethically repugnant. but we do business it to an incredible degree that even surprised you you know they've already invested since 2017 £5 billion into the country . they've into the country. they've committed 10 billion more over the next five years. they are our 29th largest trading partner . and do business with them to narrow done merely to the narrative of football and the world cup taking place in that country and shouldn't be there i think is missing the point entirely . we do business with entirely. we do business with them despite . the abhorrent them despite. the abhorrent

nature of their the way they deal with migrant workers with the lgbt plus community we've we are up to an excellent and i think we don't have economic headroom now to actually go back on the mistakes made thus far. thank you and lastly we're going to hearjohn reid, who is in hello, john. what would you like to . yes, hello, john. this is so to. yes, hello, john. this is so . locking the door after the horses bolted, isn't it? absolutely. classic what do we do in this country ? we take do in this country? we take people's money. we continue. we use the money . we develop our use the money. we develop our country. nobody says a word. and then all of a sudden somebody notices that, hey , know these notices that, hey, know these people in the middle east? they're not it the way we do it in england. so let's try and dominate them and let's try and force our opinions them for me. your earlier that spoke some was absolutely on the money and i think it's way late to start cutting the money even though it would be a lovely thing to do

perhaps , would it? maybe it perhaps, would it? maybe it i don't know that it's too late, so we can't do it now. it's ridiculous . so we can't do it now. it's ridiculous. right? so we can't do it now. it's ridiculous . right? okay. well, ridiculous. right? okay. well, thank you so much. i mean, thank you, all four of you. pretty pre pretty joined up thinking there from everyone, isn't there today we're asking is it time to boycott qatari money ? lots of boycott qatari money? lots of you have been getting in touch with your views. some says no. if you don't to marry culture, customs or laws . if you have a customs or laws. if you have a problem with their religious beliefs, then nobody's forcing you to go there or take the qatari . but i heathrow airport, qatari. but i heathrow airport, they own 20% of that. i mean , they own 20% of that. i mean, meanwhile, david says if governments deal with the nice countries , there will be very countries, there will be very few we deal with . that's a very few we deal with. that's a very fair point. meanwhile says unfortunately, we do not have the natural resources to boycott qatar while . gosh, it's a pretty qatar while. gosh, it's a pretty unanimous decision there, isn't it? unfortunately, we are we are as hypocritical as they come, we have spent their money , but now have spent their money, but now it's fingers on buzzers. okay,

it's fingers on buzzers. okay, wsfime it's fingers on buzzers. okay, it's time for our quickfire quiz . the part of the show where i test my on some of the other. and there are other stories hitting the headlines right now. so let's hear those panels first. we wait for lizzie cundy political editor of the sunday mirror, nigel nelson . now, just mirror, nigel nelson. now, just give it a test. listen, you've got the pink one. yep match the outfit . yeah what is the green outfit. yeah what is the green match exactly ? well, now with match exactly? well, now with green next the rules. all right, now, remember , do not pressure now, remember, do not pressure passes before i have finished question full confession. i even read these questions or i haven't got a clue what's coming up here? so bear with right let's begin the question . one let's begin the question. one thing is how do you either have them equidistant or just hovering over . them equidistant or just hovering over. for that party? you know, cheating, right. okay one air force in the uk hit the headunes one air force in the uk hit the headlines this week, but.

one air force in the uk hit the headlines this week, but . the headlines this week, but. the i decided is okay. right? okay. oh, no, sorry . it says they say oh, no, sorry. it says they say they said . right. okay. but why they said. right. okay. but why airports have decided to get rid of the 100 millimetre liquid rule but cut down on flights dunng rule but cut down on flights during the holiday season? they banned alcohol and long haul flights. what i suggest i even know you got that one. first i 90, know you got that one. first i go, well, you go, you guys go. they i'll go for a i right. oh they came up and hey, they're getting rid of 100 million liquid rule, which means can dnnk liquid rule, which means can drink more. excellent right. this potential change is due to advancements in technology they allow passengers to be scanned for any hazardous materials . i'm for any hazardous materials. i'm i'm going to skip this bit i know your airports they're not suitable for all cars seagulls right . two fingers back covering . i'

right. two fingers back covering. i' this now . yes, a mum was furious this now. yes, a mum was furious after paying a normal amount of money for two bags of pick and mix. but how much was it? close answer wins. okay well , so . answer wins. okay well, so. what's the percent? i wouldn't say. where is the multichoice's 7 say. where is the multichoice's ? sorry, say. where is the multichoice's ? sorry , £47. jeez, i read that. ? sorry, £47. jeez, i read that. i haven't looked at the monitor . no, no she did a i told you that there's a reason i haven't got a buzzer stuff. it's in and rubbish. got a buzzer stuff. it's in and rubbish . £47 7000. pick a mixed rubbish. £47 7000. pick a mixed blimey. but you know the first one was multiple choice. that one was multiple choice. that one wasn't good. no. that it tells anything here. so you come back and all is. that's a huge bag of very if the mother of was distraught after buying two bags of pick a mix for her kids at cardiff's winter ones winter wonderland you've been wonderland you know you've been what the most either have you what is the most either have you

paid for some sweets this is you are know are winter wonderland. oh i know i oh gosh well know i love winter oh gosh well know what i still like the penny sweets. that's how i'm going back. i just can't think back. yeah, i just can't think of one couple as a couple of quid. i would have a pack of quid. i would have for a pack of sweets. i always have sweets. i always said, have a pick and mix of sweets. i always said, have a pick and mix 0 sweets. i always said, have a pick and mix of £47. you say no, no, way. yeah yeah, pretty no, no way. yeah yeah, pretty much no thank you. right question three i have no idea what's with this one. what's coming with this one. jack grealish shares his age with the world's oldest . a lot with the world's oldest. a lot of it got to go do flow they all want to install it? so the quizmaster don't control the hack of this masterminds out on every level rather well on this i'd like to i'll what the hell welcome jack grealish actually shares his age with the world's oldest flossing. oh, i'm sorry . oldest flossing. oh, i'm sorry. who cares? i suppose . 26. that's who cares? i suppose. 26. that's a lot . this question. what is

a lot. this question. what is oldest pet you've ever dug out of there? don't get it was a tortoise. actually, it was a told tortoises. so much about tortoise escaped . no, i did. tortoise escaped. no, i did. i wonder what happened to that? that's pretty much what i'm going to do right now. all so we've been asking, is it late for the tories to solve the migrant crisis on me? forget a quiz right? myself. according to our twitter poll, 71% of you say yes and. 29% of you say no. so you so much my very, very patient panel today . and patient panel today. and columnist lizzie cundy and political editor at the sunday mirror on sunday people night mandelson joined today they've had endless patience even pretended that i got the quiz and i didn't. and i thank you at home for your company and you'll be so to hear this you know we'll be back at 4 pm. tomorrow she did she discusses tomorrow i think she has the papers tomorrow for pans votes this

discuss a top no bias involved conservative commentator i'll going to conor and former labour mp steven pound . we were also mp steven pound. we were also joined by football legend . you joined by football legend. you won't want to miss that, but now i'll leave with the weather forecast . looking ahead to this forecast. looking ahead to this weather and the uk is looking very unsettled as outbreaks of rain and brisk winds move eastwards. let's take a look at the details. a wet evening to come across south west england. the rain moving east will be heavy at times, which could lead some flooding. wendy, too, gales around the coasts, the cloudy skies across southeast england . skies across southeast england. outbreaks of rain moving in from west. the rain could turn heavy at times, especially later . at times, especially later. heavy rain is expected across southern wales this evening, leading to the risk of flooding. strong southerly winds . but on strong southerly winds. but on the mild side , a cloudy evening the mild side, a cloudy evening across midlands with an increasing risk of rain . the increasing risk of rain. the wind also picking up for many mild for the time of year with temperatures generally still in double figures a wet end to the

day across england as heavy bursts of rain to move in from the west . winds picking up these the west. winds picking up these brushed over the hills. temperatures around ten degrees celsius for the heavy rain for southern parts of scotland. admitted killer three this evening. a few drier evening. perhaps a few drier interludes at times , wendy, all interludes at times, wendy, all with around ten with temperatures around ten degrees celsius turning drier across northern ireland this evening as the rain clears east . a few heavy showers moving in from the west, which be from the west, which could be accompanied further strong and gusty winds . the wind and rain gusty winds. the wind and rain will continue sweep eastwards overnight with blustery showers following into the northwest . a following into the northwest. a mild night for most and that is how the weather is shaping overnight into tomorrow morning .