the point watching common crusade with me. the reverend calvin robinson on your tv, radio and online. the show is all about championing common sense and. today we will be discussing the red service at london's ukranian catholic cathedral, a day when we remember persecuted christians around the globe. but as carol services suspended or for football matches be asking the question, what is the state, religion, christianity or football? and as the pension age comes , fresh scrutiny. i'll be comes, fresh scrutiny. i'll be asking , should we raise the asking, should we raise the pension age ? first, though, pension age? first, though, here's a check on those news headlines. the thank you very much, catherine good afternoon. it is 2:02. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the met police have said the murders of two teenagers in south—east london are linked . national london are linked. national reporter theo chikomba was at a press conference earlier where

the two boys were named theo . the two boys were named theo. what do we know so far ? yes. what do we know so far? yes. good afternoon . it's been a sad good afternoon. it's been a sad day for many of the community members who live here in this part of south east london intends meet many of them are still here paying their respects, flowers much respects, leaving flowers much have see just over my left shoulder and you mentioned shoulder and as you mentioned there press conference there was a press conference earlier afternoon and they earlier this afternoon and they didn't name young men didn't name the two young men who stabbed yesterday. kian who were stabbed yesterday. kian is lanky here and tells me is a lanky here and tells me that titmus avenue and charlie bartley were less than a mile away . and we did hear earlier away. and we did hear earlier from the deputy commander of met south east , from the deputy commander of met south east, and from the deputy commander of met south east , and what he south east, and this is what he had say on saturday evening . had to say on saturday evening. that's around 5:10. police were called to reports of two people injured in two locations. the location centre approx approximately one mile apart. emergency services attended immediately and location. they found a 16 year old boy suffering step injuries . suffering step injuries.

tragically both boys died of their injuries. tragically both boys died of their injuries . the government their injuries. the government says the online safety bill is going to be updated next month to criminalise the encouragement of self—harm . it said the of self—harm. it said the changes have been influenced by molly russell , the 14 year old molly russell, the 14 year old who ended her life 2017, after viewing content linked to suicide and self—harm. the new bill would target online material that manipulates the vulnerable, making it illegal to do . alice hendy is the of the do. alice hendy is the of the suicide prevention charity . she suicide prevention charity. she lost her brother to suicide and says the bill should have come out sooner. the online safety bill itself has taken far too long to come out. i mean, we've seen countless delays , countless seen countless delays, countless revisions . it's seen revisions revisions. it's seen revisions now under three prime ministers this is an urgent bill and the longer we leave it, this is an urgent bill and the longer we leave it , the more longer we leave it, the more lives. unfortunately are going to be destroyed. and the more families out there going to feel

like mine . cases of diphtheria like mine. cases of diphtheria among seekers in a kent migrant centre are thought to have risen . it's after a man at the ftx migrant processing centre is thought to have died from the disease. concerns have been raised over the spread of the infection as people were moved from overcrowded the facility there to hotels around the country. the government is expected to announce tomorrow the number of infection has climbed to around 50. greater manchester police say a man whose body was found covered in potentially hazardous substances was sprayed with acid . 38 year was sprayed with acid. 38 year old liam smith body was found in the street in the kelvin drive area of wigan on thursday. also been shot in the area quickly cordoned off and residents who were feeling unwell at the time urged to contact authorities . a urged to contact authorities. a murder investigation is ongoing . protests against covid lockdown measures are continuing in china after people died in a tower block in urumqi

demonstrate it has claimed coronavirus measures which have seen residents locked for as long as 100 days may have impeded them their escape. civil unrest has now spread to shanghai , beijing, at a level shanghai, beijing, at a level unseen since president xi jinping took with chants calling for him to resign. yesterday china reported a record number of covid cases for a third day in a row . the met police said, in a row. the met police said, is fully prepared for potential jail activist disruption in london ahead of christmas. the force just a boil protest, london ahead of christmas. the force just a boil protest , the force just a boil protest, the planning activity in the capital from tomorrow until the 14th of december. it said it has policing measures in place to respond to that disruption the climate group has been using civil resistance as part of its campaign to stop future gas and oil projects, including holding the m25 . the prince and princess the m25. the prince and princess of wales have tribute to rugby

union great doddie weir, who died yesterday aged 52. in a tweet the royal couple called the former scotland international and british and irish a hero and inspiration where he had suffered from neurone disease since 2006, used his profile to raise awareness of the condition and generate funds through his charity foundation. paul thompson, director of fundraising for my name's doddie, says his legacy is the fight against mmd. so the foundations been focussed on a world free of them and that's the vision that we have and that's the vision that he's set us on this, the vision that he's left us. so until we make real progress, continue make real progress, continue to make real progress, continue to make real progress effective progress for, effective treatments condition. treatments for the condition. the work not done. so his the work still not done. so his legacy progress we legacy that progress that we make energy and the make against energy and the consort has to break with the time old tradition of having ladies in waiting. opting of the queen's companion instead buckingham palace has announced the names of the six women he'll support. camilla in her official dufies. support. camilla in her official duties . in addition to her

duties. in addition to her private and deputy secretaries, it's believed companions work will be similar , but not as will be similar, but not as extensive as the late queen's ladies in waiting . this is gb ladies in waiting. this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now it's back to calvin . calvin. hello. and welcome to common sense crusade with me , robinson. sense crusade with me, robinson. thank you very much for joining me. here is what's coming up this afternoon. london's catholic cathedral hosted red wednesday remembrance service as hundreds stand in solidarity with the suffering people of ukraine, raising awareness of the plight of persecuted to governments and societies across the west . as church of england, the west. as church of england, vicars are told to avoid carol services on the day of the world cup final. i'll be asking what is the state religion ,

is the state religion, christianity or football? and it's been a year since barbados became a republic , as now it's became a republic, as now it's pursuing damages of the sins of its colonial past. i'll be asking, should we pay reparations to former colonies . reparations to former colonies. and of course, you can join in any of our discussions by emailing gbp news at gbnews.uk, by tweeting at gb news. yes. forms . forms. on the way home the other evening i saw a very eerie post on the tube saying when an abuser controls your finances, they control you as part of a safe spaces ad campaign, raising awareness about economic , which awareness about economic, which occurs in 95% of domestic abuse situations . it's an important situations. it's an important conversation to be had. what really struck me though, was how hsbc to be foreshadowing our futures . the bank of hsbc to be foreshadowing our futures. the bank of england says looking closely at whether we should introduce a central

bank digital currency in the uk and how might work if we did. the bank of england previously told ministers to intervene on digital currency programming so that digital cash could be programmed to ensure it is only spent on or goods which an employer or government deems to be sensible . employer or government deems to be sensible. imagine a employer or government deems to be sensible . imagine a world be sensible. imagine a world where money is no longer printed . it's created on a computer. a computer which says where you can spend your money. what you can spend your money. what you can spend your money. what you can spend it on, and how you can spend. a world where the bank of england and pakistan. and the government knows where you spend every single . that is a world every single. that is a world without freedom. as my dear friend and colleague neil oliver. freedom to transact trumps all others. i would argue we have been in an abusive with our governments for a number of years now. i think they took away our civil liberties. they locked us in our homes and mandated some care home workers

to participate medical the to participate in medical. the government employs behavioural scientists to influence the opinions of the british public . opinions of the british public. the so—called nudge unit was established in the cabinet office in 2010 by david cameron's government to apply behavioural science to public policy . i think there's a nudge policy. i think there's a nudge unit plot to increase compliance propagandising to increase the uptake of the job and the nudge is not a conspiracy theory. it is not a conspiracy theory. it is published government policy . is published government policy. now imagine if a government could incentivise our behaviour by controlling our spending habits. it's a risk not worth taking less than 20% of all transaction ins in this country are using cash. at the same time bank, branches are being closed down. left, right and centre often the pandemic or lockdowns as an . we've also a huge push as an. we've also a huge push towards digital transactions with the cap on contact payments increasing from with the cap on contact payments increasing fro m £20 to £100 last increasing from £20 to £100 last yeah increasing from £20 to £100 last year. and now mastercard, apple pay or allowing contactless over that limit in certain across the

uk . if we want to keep hold of uk. if we want to keep hold of tangible payment methods, we need to remember use it or lose it. cash is king. a service was held at the ukrainian catholic cathedral in london this week to show solidarity with people of ukraine. the red wednesday event takes place every to raise awareness of the plight of persecuted christians, but took it on a special significance this year as it was the first since the russian invasion ukraine. event also ukraine. the event also highlighted how christians are persecuted in countries such as china, pakistan and burma and discuss this, i'm joined by the right reverend nowakowski, bishop at ukrainian cathedral, the catholic epoch of the holy family in london. first of all, bishop, thank you very much for joining. could you tell us exactly what red wednesday is and how you celebrated it? well,

thank you very much for having me today. red wednesday , very me today. red wednesday, a very special that was special initiative that was initiated by the organiser an aid to the church in need in 2016 and it places special on bringing to light the plight of persons committed christians throughout the world but also in general people who persecuted for their religious. general people who persecuted for their religious . and this for their religious. and this year aid to the church in need . year aid to the church in need. asked if they could hold this event at our cathedral in in london and we were very grateful to have that. so we started off with a divine liturgy masses. sometimes it's referred in the west and i had the honour of having with archbishop john wilson and also one of the bishops of catholic bishops of nigeria who had come to talk to us about the situation in his diocese , where on pentecost diocese, where on pentecost sunday one of his churches was stormed and 41 people were killed that sunday. i'm

persecution of christianity is growing around the world, but also intolerance is growing at home. are you seeing much of this in? the ukrainian communities ? well, here in the communities? well, here in the united kingdom , where we've united kingdom, where we've received over 160,000 people from fleeing harm's way and being welcomed here in great britain , hearts and homes have britain, hearts and homes have been opened . and we've been very been opened. and we've been very grateful . the people of the grateful. the people of the united kingdom, especially here in great britain, for doing that and for offering this charity . and for offering this charity. we've also been able to establish a special ukrainian welcome centre advocacy adroll that assists people who are looking how they can access the nhs , how they can get their nhs, how they can get their children into jobs. this of thing. and we've been very grateful for the greater community for opening their hearts and their homes to us because this will have the first red wednesday service since the russian invasion of the ukraine. what signified concerns that had to play? well nine months ago

was the full scale invasion of russia in ukraine. and, of course , red wednesday has shown . how course, red wednesday has shown. how stand together with ukraine for people who are persecuted regardless of their religious faith or ethnic background. and red, i think, highlighted, highlighted that we had one of our guest speakers, archbishop angelus of the coptic orthodox church here in great britain, and spoke eloquently about what red wednesday signified . of red wednesday signified. of course, red wednesday as you showed a photograph, our cathedral . cathedral was lit up cathedral. cathedral was lit up in red show the blood of the martyrs , the men and women who martyrs, the men and women who have died because of their faith. but when we think of christian martyrs, we tend to of the church fathers. but people are still being martyred for the christian faith today, aren't they? obviously had many they? and obviously had many ecumenical relationships over the few weeks, especially

the last few weeks, especially with from with red wednesday, from speaking your speaking with your contemporaries who are worshipping abroad. where is christianity persecution at the moment and what how does that manifest well we can see manifest itself. well we can see christianity persecuted in many ways , in many forms, of course ways, in many forms, of course overtly , in countries where overtly, in countries where christianity is outlawed , but christianity is outlawed, but also , you know, wearing also, you know, wearing christians symbols such as yourself today. how do react to you? how do people respond? well, it depends. and i think that , you know, we well, it depends. and i think that, you know, we think of christians persecuted, especially especially in the middle east , especially especially in the middle east, where the number of christians has diminished, especially in countries like israel , egypt, especially in countries like israel, egypt, lebanon people are leaving because of not feeling safe to be able to practise their religion openly. so what is the future of red wednesday. i the future of wednesday. i the future of wednesday continue use every year to help people. first of

all remind them to pray , to all remind them to pray, to speak out to and take action that can inform their neighbours , their governments about the need to support and to assist those christians who and people of faith who are persecuted . and of faith who are persecuted. and if people are watching or listening this today, how can they get involved ? in what way? they get involved? in what way? and the projects around and the charities it? charities around it? well, i think they certainly the think they certainly access the site of aid to the church in need, which founded this movement world wide international movement . that international movement. that would be certainly one of the best ways that i can think people become involved . people could become involved. and, course , many ukrainians and, of course, many ukrainians be displaced right now. and today , the first sunday of today, the first sunday of advent . what significance does advent. what significance does that play in, the run up to christmas for a lot of people. well, for us, it signifies a couple things. yesterday was the 90th anniversary or commemoration of, 90th anniversary or commemoration of , the great commemoration of, the great famine. genocide in ukraine, where over 4 million people lost their lives because they were killed just because they were

ukrainian . and when we approach ukrainian. and when we approach advent on the western calendar, for us, we're still two weeks away. of course , being on the away. of course, being on the juuan away. of course, being on the julian calendar. but it is a time for prayer for acts of charity and to be thankful for everything that we have here and perhaps to share that with others. we've got a brief , if others. we've got a brief, if you'd like to give people a message of what advent all about, because every year we seem to forget advent isn't actually christmas. it's a lenten in lead up. lenten period in the lead up. could share some words of could you share some words of wisdom on that. well, for us eastern begins eastern christians advent begins on saint philip and on the feast of saint philip and is a time of prayer and fasting almsgiving to prepare ourselves our hearts so that we can come to the cave come to the place where the stars is shown us. advent is a journey and we should take this journey seriously and prepare ourselves for welcoming jesus christ into our hearts and. i think the church gives us this gentle reminder here to do something

to, prepare not only ourselves commercially , but spiritually. commercially, but spiritually. but there's a message hope and there isn't the raw. so how can people embrace that message? especially ukrainians who are in the uk at the moment of wanting to return home or? even ukrainians still in the ukraine suffering well suffering persecution, etc? well think hope is given because you've invited tv to speak you've invited me on tv to speak about them too so that we don't forget about persecuted christians so that we don't forget those who are being forget about those who are being persecuted just because they're ukrainian . and the hope is there ukrainian. and the hope is there because we that message alive , because we that message alive, we wait for the coming of jesus year to celebrate his birth . so year to celebrate his birth. so what special prayers are we seeing this advent period ? well, seeing this advent period? well, i think our special prayers will, of course, be for those who are here in, the united kingdom, for especially the sponsors of those who are have opened up their hearts and their homes for government workers who have been graciously helping these ukraine and people settle and find the temporary place of

refuge . we'll be praying for refuge. we'll be praying for those who still don't know jesus and who are still seeking him . and who are still seeking him. thank you very much for your time, sir. thank you. edition company. that was the right reverend. kind of no house. the bishop at the ukrainian catholic epoque of the holy family of . if epoque of the holy family of. if you say thanks for your time. stay now. plenty more to come. this afternoon the break. this afternoon after the break. as changes the two vicars as the changes the two vicars are to carol services are told to avoid carol services on the day of the world cup. i'll be asking, what is the state, religion, christianity or football . first, let's have football. but first, let's have a the latest weather . a look at the latest weather. looking ahead to this evening's weather , the uk is looking wet weather, the uk is looking wet in the southeast with some showers , western parts. let's showers, western parts. let's take a look at the details. southwest and england will see a mix of clear spells and scattered showers this evening . scattered showers this evening. the showers will be mainly across devon and cornwall and could be locally heavy. skies across the southeast of england will remain cloudy and we can expect some further rain at times especially for kent and sussex. wales will see a showery

end to sunday, with winds also remaining brisk along the west coast. eastern though, will see some lengthy spells. sunday however, will end on a dry note across midlands with the clearer skies , the north and west. a few skies, the north and west. a few mist and fog patches may also , mist and fog patches may also, as the evening goes on. north. eastern england will also largely dry that further west. there will be some showers, some of which may be heavy. it will be breezy along irish sea coast, but lighter winds elsewhere. showers will be quite widespread across scotland evening with the showers heavy in places. the far north, though, may avoid most of the showers and state largely dry. northern ireland though won't be so lucky with scattered showers continuing here throughout the evening . when throughout the evening. when will be brisk especially along the coast and over the hills . the coast and over the hills. overnight. we'll see showers in the west of the uk but . overnight. we'll see showers in the west of the uk but. drier further east with some mist patches forming and. that's how the weather is shaping up overnight into tomorrow morning.

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and on your wireless . the church and on your wireless. the church of england is advising its vicars to reschedule any planned christmas carol services due to be held sunday, december the 18th. the day of the world cup final to help avoid a potential clash between three lions and the three kings. the church of england is advising its clergy to hold their carol services on saturday the 17th instead despite final sunday before christmas being the traditional day for hosting them to give his thoughts on. this story is father daniel french, anglican vicar and host of the irreverent podcast and somewhat a mentor of mine. father daniel, thank you very much for us. on a sunday on the busiest day of week. could you start off by telling us exactly what the church of england's guidance is on this, what and many what they're saying and many vicars planning vicars are planning to follow it? i think summarised it? i think you've summarised well. i know how many are well. i don't know how many are going to follow it in terms of guidance. calvin it seems like at the moment, particularly since covid, we've been getting up alongside stream of guidance which to say, you know , the

which to say, you know, the obvious really . which to say, you know, the obvious really. planning which to say, you know, the obvious really . planning carols obvious really. planning carols service is often done months in advance , were planning on that advance, were planning on that actually in september. so i think for churches to suddenly change the carols at the last minute , hardly likely, and minute, hardly likely, and particularly , cathy, you sort of particularly, cathy, you sort of signals a larger , larger signals a larger, larger churches who may be back in spnng churches who may be back in spring even the thought that they're going move the use of them i suspect for also a constituency that isn't renowned really for its love football. i can understand some children services might be in an afternoon say 3:00. but really , afternoon say 3:00. but really, are we going to change our church on sunday 18th? i would think i would think not. right. the official guidance is, and i quote, could still possible if

you choose the time . but what if you choose the time. but what if there are penalties ? it may be there are penalties? it may be best to avoid that day altogether and host a carol service on saturday the 17th instead. what does this say about the modern church of england? it seems to me the low expectations, the low standards , well, people aren't going to come to church because. football's important. football's more important. surely encouraging surely we should be encouraging people church first people to come to church first and as the most and foremost as the most important of week ? important part of week? absolutely. a few weeks ago , i absolutely. a few weeks ago, i was celebrating the eucharist in my in my parish church because going to study, leave and, it was great. we have the we have a community gospel choir of 60 are hundreds in the church . the hundreds in the church. the atmosphere was was wonderful and spiritual deep. and you know, as i held the bread and chalice , it i held the bread and chalice, it suddenly struck me that we handung suddenly struck me that we handling the things of god as christian . are how wonderful christian. are how wonderful thatis christian. are how wonderful that is to do that . how that is to do that. how mesmerising. how how or inspire

ring. i think at times we underplay what we're actually doing in church this intensification god's work and presence when just two or three come together and should we be downplaying that . i'm not trying downplaying that. i'm not trying to be a spoilsport in any way against what's happening in control. but i think we wait, we ease undermining of what we're doing and try to imagine there's some sort of consumer resistance out there that we have to work work against. i mean, you and i spoke often about the impact of, say, the queen's funeral a month or so ago on, how that was the most watched televised event on the planet ever . yeah. in what the planet ever. yeah. in what we're doing and the danger is that some of these rather sort

of daft email chain emails that go around the church of england read a of pick up on that. you know, yesterday , cardinal zen in know, yesterday, cardinal zen in hong kong, for instance who's been imprisoned for his place and his work with the church was was fined as a 90 year old man witnessing against total loyalty. and i just think how we honour that of that kind of christian witness . how do we christian witness. how do we honoun christian witness. how do we honour, for instance , the honour, for instance, the christian witness , qatar, you christian witness, qatar, you know, where if you look at something like the open doors record or even the us government's own religious report on religious freedoms in that city, they're few and far actually . you know, the actually. you know, the christian churches only allowed to exist in seven denominations.

and yet we know that there are hundreds of underground house . hundreds of underground house. so churches bravely operating and there quite severe penalties for so. in fact there's an even severe penalty on the statute books so for becoming a christian in this i mean part of me likes to think that is wouldn't it be wonderful say maybe this is happening in another universe where you know the england football team are going to salute a lot of a lot of gesture politics because i wasn't there with the football but wouldn't it be marvellous to think that they would actually salute the christians , qatar and salute the christians, qatar and the sacrifice that they have made over generations, you know , perhaps the whole team could stand there and make the sign of the cross en masse . you know

the cross en masse. you know obviously i just think we need more confidence really in country about our faith and what doing and what we're handling is the things of god . i said, as the things of god. i said, as i said earlier , for those some of said earlier, for those some of us higher up the council would say we're handling god himself, not just the things. of course, this how important is . this is how important this is. and you're right in that you know, you said about how much is the funeral. it was the the queen's funeral. it was the greatest mission greatest but elements of mission and evangelism seen since the cross. i think on a world scale. but people want that importance people emphasis . and i people want that emphasis. and i think church of is think the church of england is letting them in this letting them down in this guidance. option they've guidance. another option they've suggested to stage a football themed involving the themed nativity involving the three kings following the start of an adaptation of the anthem . of an adaptation of the anthem. football's coming home. we're coming west. we're west. coming west. we're coming west. we're coming. kings are coming west. i mean, it all undermines the christmas it undermines the faith, doesn't and it'sjust faith, doesn't it? and it's just weak, lame it's weak, it's lame and it's pathetic . remember a couple pathetic. i remember a couple years ago when we put on our

first carols service, post—covid and someone said to me, because so salcombe is where i'm operating is the parish, which is very, very popular for houday is very, very popular for holiday makers. is very, very popular for holiday makers . and that and holiday makers. and that and said this was the highlight of the year was this carols and i quipped or well put it on next week if you like it that much you know . yeah you contrast this you know. yeah you contrast this as well to say eric little from the famous chariots of fire . you the famous chariots of fire. you know he on the sabbath recognised and honoured the enough that he was going to not not play wouldn't it be great if somehow as churches we could we could generate that kind of energy and enthusiasm for what we're doing that in a sense what would happen in qatar is they say, well, we better not put football a sunday. exactly. you keep keep doing what you're doing. thank you. thank you very much for joining doing. thank you. thank you very much forjoining us today as

much for joining us today as well. that father dan well. that was father dan anglican host of anglican and host of the irreverent . thank so irreverent podcast. thank you so much. are with tv news much. now you are with tv news on online and, on radio. and on tv online and, on radio. and after the break , it's been a after the break, it's been a year since barbados became repubuc year since barbados became republic and now it's pursuing for of its colonial for the sins of its colonial past . i'll be asking, should we past. i'll be asking, should we pay past. i'll be asking, should we pay reparations ? former pay reparations? former colonies? time for colonies? now it's time for a check on those news headlines with . thank you. calvin, it's with. thank you. calvin, it's 233. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the police say the murders of two teenage is in south—east are linked. the 60 year old boys, kenneth and charlie bartolo , were both charlie bartolo, were both stabbed to death yesterday afternoon around a mile apart greenwich. the man's southeast deputy commander has appealed for information on saturday. that's around 5:10. police were called to reports of two people injured and to locate shots. the locations approx approximately one mile apart. emergency

attended immediately and at each location they found a 16 year old boy suffering . step injuries old boy suffering. step injuries . tragically both boys died of their injuries. . tragically both boys died of their injuries . greater their injuries. greater manchester police say a man whose body was found covered in potentially hazardous substances was shot and sprayed with acid . was shot and sprayed with acid. 38 year old liam smith body was found in the street in wigan on thursday . the area was cordoned thursday. the area was cordoned off and. residents urged to contact authorities if they felt unwell at the time . a murder unwell at the time. a murder investigation is . the government investigation is. the government says the online safety bill is going to be updated next month . going to be updated next month. criminalise the encouragement of . it says the changes been influenced by molly russell the 14 year old who ended her life . 14 year old who ended her life. 2017. after viewing content unked 2017. after viewing content linked to suicide and self—harm , the new bill would target onune , the new bill would target online material that manipulates the vulnerable , making it the vulnerable, making it illegal to do so . and the queen

illegal to do so. and the queen consort , it has to break with consort, it has to break with the time old tradition of having ladies in waiting. opting for queen's companions instead . queen's companions instead. buckingham palace has announced names of the six women hills, the pork mill. in her official dufies the pork mill. in her official duties , in addition to her duties, in addition to her private and deputy private secretaries. it's believed companions work will be similar , but not as extensive as late queen's ladies in waiting tv, onune queen's ladies in waiting tv, online and tv plus radio. this is gb news. stay with us. calvin's back in a moment moment.

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its head of state and a republic, barbados , pursuing republic, barbados, pursuing damages for what it sees as the sins of its colonial past. not only does it want conservative mp richard drax, whose ancestors owned the largest slave plantation on the island for the sins of his fourth or fourth office, rather. but it is also pursuing damages from the major british institutions such as lloyds of london, oxford university , the royal bank of university, the royal bank of scotland and even of the royal family themselves . so should family themselves. so should britain pay reparations for its former colonies ? joining me now former colonies? joining me now , author and journalist laura and policy researcher laban. laura i'll start with your good self reparations. i usually start off by saying who should pay start off by saying who should pay whom? but i think i would ask a spicier question should the former colonies be us to say thank you ? no, they shouldn't. thank you? no, they shouldn't. no i don't think. i don't even need to hesitate in answering that. i think this is such a big, complex , nuanced debate .

big, complex, nuanced debate. and it's because the wounds run sad. there is rightly much emotion and anger. you know , emotion and anger. you know, arguably. well, no, inarguably unarguably the transatlantic trade pivotal in raising up the west. and so there are all these very strong feelings , gaining very strong feelings, gaining compensation . what were absolute compensation. what were absolute horrors ? atrocities with horrors? atrocities with millions of people. but i think the question you're you should have led with is the right one. who should pay whom what? because what do reparations mean? i mean, in a really can i just brought this up a bit because think reparation is about a state of. it is about tearing wrongs and we should all always live in a state where we try to repair wrongs. i mean , i try to repair wrongs. i mean, i would say that comes down to the individual. you know, we should try to be morally upright to redress wrongs. but when you're about such a big wrong, it's hard to know where to start. i don't think british state should reparations. that's quite easy . reparations. that's quite easy. me, because that would imply that burden falls upon the

that the burden falls upon the shoulders british shoulders of the british taxpayer british taxpayer taxpayer. the british taxpayer is are the descendants of is people are the descendants of slave trade. it's people like who i mean, i'm not really sure how much i have or haven't benefited from the slave trade. i don't believe that the sins of our ancestors should be visited upon now, where in upon us. now, where in a historical context that we're now. what's happening in barbados family, the barbados is about a family, the drax and think this drax family. and i think this all a case for all could be a case for particular institutions to, at least voluntarily be encouraged to consider some form of reparation or restitution. but not the british state. the british states didn't own slaves and also the british states abolished slave trade. so we that moral stance when we did . i that moral stance when we did. i think one thing that's difficult about the whole debate is that we did acknowledge reparations should be made, but reparations were made to slave owners. now might have been what was needed of because we'll come to that because a big topic in because that's a big topic in the world itself. i want to bnng the world itself. i want to bring laurie in on what you've just said about essentially the taxpayer cannot fund reparations because taxpayer

because it wasn't the taxpayer who the who benefited from the transatlantic slave trade actually was a very actually was. it was a very small did. this small elite did. and this actually credit where it's due by us all pursuing that small it it should these individuals be paying it should these individuals be paying reparations . yeah i think paying reparations. yeah i think that's good point and that's a very good point and i think quite small on the think it's quite small on the part of barbados to be pointing one specific case with one specific family. i mean, have to remember context is remember here, the context is that have a very that the family have a very particular role in barbados. richard drax, his ancestors were some of the pioneers for the wider of plantation slavery that took people from west africa, brought over, work them often to death and, then made money from the sugar , was then produced. so the sugar, was then produced. so to take to take the issue of reparations boil it down to reparations and boil it down to a particular place, a particular family, i think is a good example of how we were becoming more how we're more tangible in how we're addressing those injustices and i think we spoke very eloquently about just and hopefully about that. just and hopefully some kind of arrangement will be made between barbadian state and by being people and richard drax and that may involve the land

that they want to, have use over where the house currently is in barbados. and i think things like apologies are also potentially appropriate . i know potentially appropriate. i know there's been this constant fear about apologising, which we often about in the grandest sense of the british state apologising and not opening up all sorts of liabilities. but i do we've tried enough of do think we've tried enough of certain instances in this case of families who could make apology because british apology because the british government an apology and government made an apology and the british monarchy made an apology and they expressed regrets . course, didn't regrets. of course, they didn't make apology. and taking make an apology. and in taking responsibility, and nor should they, would be they, because then they would be liable. think that's liable. i don't think that's i don't that's. apology don't think that's. but apology just never seems to be enough. and i don't think reparations just never seems to be enough. and i seem think reparations just never seems to be enough. and i seem think enoughyns just never seems to be enough. and i seem think enough either. never seem to be enough either. so i'll bring it back to what laura was saying we paid laura was saying about we paid as nafion laura was saying about we paid as nation slave. but because as a nation slave. but because i don't think that was reparations i was one the many i think that was one of the many angles the british empire angles that the british empire tried and the tried to abolish slavery and the british the only british empire is the only empire in, the world who said not only is slavery abhorrent and have it in our and we shouldn't have it in our own shouldn't see it own empire, we shouldn't see it anywhere the world. and anywhere around the world. and the at cost

the british empire at great cost to lives. the treasury to lives. and the treasury stopped slavery everywhere it found it . and one of those found it. and one of those methods was paying to free slaves. upsetting the slaves. now upsetting the british sailors who lost their lives and ships becoming disease because holding line to because holding the line to prevent transatlantic slave prevent the transatlantic slave trade. took the trade. we actually took the right of course we right moral stance. of course we did. have been made . but the did. and have been made. but the thing for people now, the idea that those with a financial reparations sticks in the cruel that's what in the core of people because this is about and emotion and the wounds run deep and in that sense i don't think reparations ever will be enough. you can listen to people on opposing sides of this, people who have a lot more knowledge, a lot vested interest and lot more vested interest and a lot more vested interest and a lot more vested interest and a lot more history of it than i do. you know, dr. tony, so say that black people shouldn't be victimised. i've heard him debate subject of debate this on the subject of reparations and that african reparations and say that african nafions reparations and say that african nations not be asking for a not not for aid, but for reparations , because they should now be self reliance . that's his view. self reliance. that's his view. as i've understood it in a debate on the other , you'd have

debate on the other, you'd have somebody professor kendi at somebody like professor kendi at bristol university who has used the term revolution and has said, well, there is no end to reparations because you have to look at the harm that's still being perpetuated now as a result trade, in which result of the trade, in which case burden would case the financial burden would be . so reparation and be limitless. so reparation and the state of repair has to run in order. and that also includes forgiveness and recovery. yes, and that's the whole thing is so complicated because. at some point you have to draw a line. i think there might be a case for more truth and reconciliation and a more nuanced form of reparation. but as i said i'm really clear that the british taxpayer should not pay taxpayer should not now pay reparations. i'm a strange situation where. i'm half german and, you know, i own a failed actually somewhere in east germany. if i were to go through all the legal loop loopholes to reclaim it. but i gather right now there's a farmer with his pigs now there's a farmer with his pigs on it. i'm aware that if i try reclaim my plots of i don't quite like my german plots of land that was taken off my very

immediate family the immediate german family in the war. i would be displacing somebody who's using now. yeah, these are always these things are always difficult but think what difficult, but i think what laura touches is important laura touches on is important and in the after an apology comes forgiveness after repentance forgiveness we repentance is forgiveness and we can't repentance is forgiveness and we cant one repentance is forgiveness and we can't one the can't have one without the other. the argument for other. and just the argument for apologies reparations apologies and reparations is ongoing there ongoing will never end and there will enough apologies will never be enough apologies or made. or enough reparations made. but what really to push is what i really want to push is that laura said a few times that wounds run deep. what wounds are we considering ? because i'm we considering? because i'm obviously of african, caribbean descent myself. don't live in descent myself. i don't live in a victimhood mentality. don't a victimhood mentality. i don't think or not have think whatever may or not have happened my great, happened to my great, great, great, great great, great great grandfather relevant grandfather and is relevant necessarily my life . necessarily to me and my life. but there are people that are affected and do live in affected that and do live in that victimhood mentality. surely trying surely we should be trying to help it yeah, help them break free. it yeah, i mean, you know , i don't come mean, you know, i don't come from barbados. i got to put my hand up there and say that it would be hard to tell about. it would be hard to tell about. it would be hard to tell about. it would be good to hear the what we are hearing the view from people in barbados because they are saying that they would. well

there things that are there are two things that are being but just want being finished, but just want to make interest rates, make the point. interest rates, we're for the people we're having for the people we're having for the people we're not. we're here from barbados. what they actually did is they to is undemocratic. they went to a republic putting to republic without putting it to the we was the people. what we got was a big mistake. but sorry you. so there two things that were there were two things that were asked on the list of the things that the guy runs the commission in caribbean looking at in the caribbean is looking at things reparations things like reparations and number list is and number one on that list is and apology had apology we have we've had signals regret and so we signals of regret and so but we haven't don't actually haven't i don't think actually tried apology line enough tried the apology line enough and don't think i can understand the concerns about that leading to limits, to some kind of limits, unlimited. as you know unlimited. but as you know saying sorry is an important first thing to do. it means far more often. we think it does in the moment. i think that then the moment. i think that then the you could imagine a situation where the barbadian state and the sister get into some kind of deal that has some kind of between them about that process of restitution that can then lead to forgiveness and i think it is it's smart because

barbados are talking about a very specific instance and it's bringing it down from this vast heated that we often hear about into specific cases now where there could be apology, restitution and then ultimately forgiveness and i think that that would be fantastic because one side yes, we you know, many of us on the family and have not necessarily direct links to the benefits of these kind things. and therefore, it's very difficult for us conceive of a situation have to pay situation when we have to pay reparations. on the other reparations. but on the other side , there are vast side, there are these vast injustices. so boil it down injustices. so to boil it down to main kind protagoras to the main kind of protagoras is that moment of injustice, is in that moment of injustice, i appropriate thing i think is the appropriate thing to reason i've always to do, the reason i've always started with who pays whom is because. i've worried that if we're money to we're taking taxpayers money to pay pay reparations, what we're actually making sure actually doing is making sure that people are that poor black people are paying that poor black people are paying rich black paying money to rich black people. but you're right in that this more nuanced. and this is more nuanced. and actually off to an actually they're going off to an individual family. so there might case this that we might be a case for this that we haven't in the wider haven't seen in the wider argument is very interesting. but thank much for you but thank you very much for you both be debating coming up both will be debating coming up soon. author laura

soon. that was author and laura dodsworth research dodsworth and policy research at laura hours today laura laban. all the hours today before on to our next before we move on to our next debate, let's have a look at what you guys have been saying about today's martin on about today's topics. martin on about today's topics. martin on a it says a cashless society, it says we, the british public covid the british public through covid tyranny into tyranny or sleepwalk into a seemingly and easy seemingly quick and easy society, centralise digital society, a centralise digital bank is straight out of bank currency is straight out of the ccp state controlled system. cash is king. thank you, martin, for pointing out. i didn't mentioned i didn't mention china or social credit systems in my introduction but you are absolutely in that this is where it ends this is the end goal. and we saw klaus schwab just this week quoted as saying that china is a model to be copied very, very area and words indeed. james on the national religion debate says christianity or football , the christianity or football, the uk's national religion is neither of those things. it is of a unmanaged, incompetent or nhs . james, you're not wrong . nhs. james, you're not wrong. our nhs has become the state religion but we need to pull back into christianity. if you ask me, there's wrong with

sport. sport is great. brings together football's fantastic . together football's fantastic. but if it comes down to christ or kicking ball, i'll choose or kicking a ball, i'll choose christ of week on red christ every of the week on red wednesday also says was very wednesday also says it was very interesting to hear the discussion on persecute christians and red wednesday . so christians and red wednesday. so important raise awareness of important to raise awareness of these issues. thank you for all support and of course you can get in with the ukrainian get in touch with the ukrainian cathedral you want to pop on cathedral if you want to pop on down show any further down there or show any further support. reparations support. robert on reparations says, should we demand reparations from the vikings romans and the normans who invaded england, where it stop? maybe jamaica should demand reparations african reparations from the african countries who sold people into slavery as well. absolute madness. i think you're to on something robert. my something there, robert. my family from jamaica and family are from jamaica and i did look into our family history and saw we have originally and saw we would have originally been nigeria from from been from nigeria from from nonh been from nigeria from from north and actually the north africa and actually the nigerians were selling nigerians long before the white man turned up. looking for up. so if i'm looking for personal reparations, nigeria, if your purse out, it if you get your purse out, it has been reported that the government could raise the pension age to 68 several years

than expected as part of the treasury's big bazooka bid to save billions of pounds. this means workers currently in their fifties have an extra waits of an extra year before receiving their state. and more and more people see their working lives extended to the seventies. but with an increasing increasingly ageing population and a higher life expectancy was the pension age and inevitable kitty. now still with me in the studio is author and journalist laura dodsworth and research laurie lavan. i'll start with you this time. laurie i don't think by the time i retire, if i ever do retire, that be able to get a pension is the thing, isn't it? i know what you mean. it does . i know what you mean. it does. there's a particular dimension to this . you are younger in the to this. you are younger in the wider context of how we know now that younger are probably not going to be as better off as their parents were . and i think their parents were. and i think that that's an element of what seems a bit like unfairness here for me, there's something a bit more immediate, which is the reason why we have always

extended pension out is because of the idea that as life expectancy goes up, it's appropriate that as people live longer and hopefully healthier lives, then maybe you should be retiring a bit later. but one of the key problems here is that life expectancy has not manifest . right. so we're not living the longer lives that maybe we anticipated when we were forecasting pushing out pension time when i'm they're not necessarily lives as well we know the problems a lot with the promise health probably health in this country now and also the work that people may be doing as they head out beyond current pension pay off pension age might pay off because we're in a situation where pay has stagnated for such a long time in this country so on one side i say yes, i can see in any society where life expectancy is going up and people living healthier lives and work pays well, it's appropriate to do , but and then appropriate to do, but and then we as citizens would say . yeah, we as citizens would say. yeah, fair enough government. you know, i can see that things are improving your policies are

partly to do with that it's proportionate to raise the pension social pension age but sort of social contract to some people put it is starting to break down slightly so still remember i want to ask you why you had lorry we living better lorry are we living better lives. i looked at the pictures of the of the king's death and around the funeral that compared those pictures today. first of all, what stood out to me is that people used to dress more and we don't or scruffy. but secondly people are so obese now nobody . and the old nobody was. and the old photographs of the king's funeral amazing. all we funeral is amazing. all we living life to good . i think living life to good. i think that things like and other long health problems like that are the reasons for those are complex it's easy sometimes to think that , well, yeah, i mean, think that, well, yeah, i mean, it's very easy to sometimes to see pictures like that and say well, look at this. everyone's you know, having quality you know, having a quality living is so high now that we're all eating each we all eating to eating ourselves to death or so on. but that's not the case. availability of good quality food the availability food ability, the availability of things of exercise and other things available . it's ever been

available. it's ever been exercise and free. it's exercise cheap and free. it's only people can cook good food. but what's going on? but what's your insinuation? we've now got it. that we must it. so good that we must therefore more, or that therefore suffer more, or that we should stable . so we should be more stable. so that my opinion, yes. but we that is my opinion, yes. but we have it. good. norah, i'm going to put it to you. should we actually public pensions ? actually have public pensions? oh, goodness. that's not what oh, my goodness. that's not what i was going to be i thought was going to be answering. i'm not sure. also the question you thought you're going answering. think going to be answering. i think that's do. that's what politicians do. well, let me let bring well, okay, let me let me bring my pre—prepared from my pre—prepared answer from i mean, paul, i don't mean, prince paul, i don't disagree with the idea of the pension age . the problem is, pension age. the problem is, like laurie said , that actually like laurie said, that actually life expectancies aren't continuing to increase. in fact , gone down since the pandemic . , gone down since the pandemic. but more than that, the number of years, people spend in ill health has increased . now, in health has increased. now, in this the average age, the men move into ill health on women is that early sixties so if you're not working if you're not able to work, you're going to be on

some kind of benefits anyway, disability or, other benefits because you're not going to be able work . because you're not going to be able work. i think it is able to work. i think it is right that the triple lock preserved for now because i mean know pensioners who can't afford to their homes, you cannot live a state pension. i don't expect to live on my state pension. i've been paying a private pension while i can afford not very much since my twenties and i don't expect to have any pension by the time i retire. what i think is quite unfair right now is people have only got ten years to get their house in i think that's a in order and i think that's a really tough position put really tough position to put people in. the other hand, people in. on the other hand, they had most of 2020 off in their garden, so they've had part their pension off already. i'm with that. i'm with you. but you for a cost you know, paying for a cost of lockdown yeah, lockdown crisis. yeah, it's going save the treasury about going to save the treasury about £10 billion. great but we lost about a third of that on furlough. yeah. test and trace which was basically just chucked into the wind was 37 billion. this government doesn't keep any of its promises and it's wasting

our our tax pounds anyway . it's our our tax pounds anyway. it's all our money . and so i just all our money. and so i just don't have any confidence that the savings they make will be put to the right use we're paying put to the right use we're paying for totally failed policies . and actually that policies. and actually that that's a that's kind of a deep seam of anger for me that while i might agree in principle the idea of raising the pension age, it's not a silver bullet because people aren't living and they're in poor health for a variety of complicated don't complicated reasons. and i don't like what this government does with money. with our money, our money. i don't what any government don't like what any government does that money. never does with that money. i never trust money nor trust a couple with money nor makes sound points. makes a lot of sound points. i think we're looking at here think what we're looking at here is short termism. think that's is short termism. i think that's the problem that each government is looking they do is looking what they can do within their years rather within their five years rather than the country a than looking at the country as a whole. we addressing whole. and should we addressing the that cannot a the fact that we cannot have a triple on pensions forever and we phase out? should we we need to phase out? should we be certain generation be telling a certain generation that going that actually you're not going to public you to have a public pension, you need to investing in your need to start investing in your own private pension from now? is that the future? i mean, think that the future? i mean, i think

that would be a hugely generational antagonistic thing to do because who's below to do because anyone who's below a is to be a certain age is going to be they're watching an they're watching then an generation from things generation benefits from things like as we've like triple, which, as we've learned, important thing like triple, which, as we've lea many important thing like triple, which, as we've lea many pensionerstant thing like triple, which, as we've lea many pensioners across ng like triple, which, as we've lea many pensioners across the for many pensioners across the country because wouldn't country, because they wouldn't in yeah, in the short term. yeah, exactly. better get exactly. it's better to get through exactly. through the course. exactly. exactly. , i think, you exactly. i mean, i think, you know, before all of this, you know, before all of this, you know, has to know, the government has got to turn and say, well, look, we might raising the pension age might be raising the pension age soon. raise it soon. but soon. we will raise it soon. but we're going to do all these things make sure that work, things to make sure that work, pays that. we're going to get the increase expectancy the increase in life expectancy back again , that back on the rails again, that we're make sure that we're going to make sure that the generally the country is generally healthier. becomes healthier. and then it becomes a proportionate that you'll proportionate move that you'll be raise the pension. be able to raise the pension. but people are in work but so many people are in work and in poverty and you can't expect them to work more in work and poverty . you've got to and in poverty. you've got to address things or that address those things or that contract between citizen and state starting to break down, i think way the lorry is think way on the money lorry is the government should be looking think way on the money lorry is th

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met police have said the murders of two teenagers in south—east london are linked. our national reporter theo chikomba was at the police press conference on where the two boys were named. theo what do we know so far ? theo what do we know so far? yes, it's been a difficult and challenging day here at the in the community of thames media in south—east london afternoon around 5:10 the police received calls about , incidents around 5:10 the police received calls about, incidents and emergency services went there. but unfortunately to their efforts, they were unable to do anything at that moment and that to young men who were pronounced dead. to young men who were pronounced dead . and in terms of today's dead. and in terms of today's press conference were named as both killings are landkey here and avenue in tasmania and titmus avenue in tasmania just less than a mile away . just less than a mile away. abbey with bartolo and abbey with charlie bartolo and sybil road in abbey wood. and now the police are appealing to anyone who has any information or saw anything. they do say we've heard from some people already, they're saying already, but they're saying anyone more anyone else has any more information , in touch with information, get in touch with them one one. and earlier we

them on one one. and earlier we heard from the deputy commander of the here the south—east on of the here in the south—east on saturday that's around saturday evening. that's around past five police were called to reports of two people injured in two locations. the locations are approx approximately one mile apart . emergency services apart. emergency services attended immediately and at each location they found a 16 year old boy suffering step injuries . tragically both boys died of their injuries. . tragically both boys died of their injuries . that was the met their injuries. that was the met police's south—east deputy commander . police's south—east deputy commander. in other police's south—east deputy commander . in other news, the commander. in other news, the government says online safety bill is going to be updated next month to criminalising encouragement of self—harm. it says the changes have been influenced by molly russell, the 14 year old who ended her life in 2017 after viewing content unked in 2017 after viewing content linked to suicide and self—harm . the new bill would target onune . the new bill would target online that manipulates the vulnerable making it illegal to do so . alice hendy is the

do so. alice hendy is the founder of the suicide prevention charity she lost her brother to suicide and says the bill should have come out . the bill should have come out. the online safety bill itself has taken far too long to come out. i mean we've countless countless revisions . it's seen revisions revisions. it's seen revisions now under three prime ministers this is an urgent bill. and the longer we leave it, this is an urgent bill. and the longer we leave it , the more longer we leave it, the more lives. unfortunately going to be destroyed and the families out there are going to feel like mine . cases of diphtheria among mine. cases of diphtheria among asylum seekers in a can migrant centre are thought to have risen. it's after a man at the ftx migrant processing centre is thought to have died from the disease . concerns have been disease. concerns have been raised the spread of the infection as people were moved from the overcrowded facility to hotels around the country. the government is to announce tomorrow the number of infections has climbed to . 50

infections has climbed to. 50 greater manchester police say a man whose body was found covered in hazardous substances was sprayed with acid. 38 year old liam smith body was found in the street in kelvin drive area of wigan thursday. he'd also been shot the area was quickly cordoned and residents who were feeling unwell at the time urged to contact authority as a murder investigation is ongoing . investigation is ongoing. protests against covid lockdown measures are continuing in china after ten people died in a tower block in urumqi . demonstrators block in urumqi. demonstrators claim coronavirus , which have claim coronavirus, which have seen residents locked down for as long as 100 days, may impeded their escape . civil unrest has their escape. civil unrest has now spread to shanghai and beijing at level unseen since president xi jing pete took office with chants calling for him to resign . yesterday, china him to resign. yesterday, china reported record number of covid cases for a third day in a row. the met police said is fully

prepared for potential activist disruption in london ahead of christmas . the force believes christmas. the force believes just a point are planning activity in the capital from tomorrow until the 14th of december. it said it has policing measures in place to respond to potential disruption. the climate group has been using civil resistance as part its campaign to stop future gas and oil projects, including up the m25 . the prince and princess of m25. the prince and princess of wales have paid tribute to rugby union greats where dotty, who died yesterday, aged 52. in a tweet, the couple called the former scotland international and british irish line hero and inspiration. where he had suffered from motor neurone disease since 2006 and used his profile to raise awareness of the condition and generate funds throughout. through his charity foundation , paul thomson, foundation, paul thomson, director of fundraising for my name's doddie, says it's legacy is the fight against him . and

is the fight against him. and the queen consort is to break with the time old tradition of having ladies in waiting, opting for queen's companions instead , for queen's companions instead, buckingham palace has announced the names of the six women who support camilla in her official duties. in addition to her private and deputy secretaries, it's believed companions work will be similar , but not as will be similar, but not as extensive as the queen's ladies in waiting . this is gb news. in waiting. this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now it's back to . happens. now it's back to. hello and welcome to the common sense on gb news on tv online and on your wireless. here's what's coming up this afternoon after the crown prosecution service claims parts of the

bible no longer appropriate for modern society . i'll be asking modern society. i'll be asking all their parts of the bible that are out of date and later on. one royal commentator says the late queen fought prince harry a little too in love with meghan and that if anyone deserves an anti—racism award. it's king charles, not harry and meghan. and then england fans have been told to not up as st george for of insulting muslims in qatar after two supporters were apparently led away by world cup security . and of world cup security. and of course, you can join in any of our discussions by emailing or by tweeting at gb news. there's sports sports . sports sports. charges been dropped against a street preacher in a case in which the crown prosecutor service attempted to argue that parts of the bible are abusive and no longer appropriate modern

society. the case has sparked debate over the place of scripture and christian belief in the modern world, with some, they agree with the cps arguments , while others states arguments, while others states this is the attack on the christian faith . joining me now christian faith. joining me now is reverend michael curran, anglican priest and former to queen elizabeth, the second to dr. gavin ashington . reverend dr. gavin ashington. reverend curran is with me in the studio. so i'll start with you. what was your impression when saw this particular story? well, ridiculous, i suppose it was the reaction . the bible is dange the reaction. the bible is dange the scripture should be and provocative. that's the whole point . but provocative. that's the whole point. but this was a facile gesture , i suppose. look, you gesture, i suppose. look, you can take the bible literally and you can take it serious , but you you can take it serious, but you can't really do both. you have really stress the fact there is metaphor, there is imagery , metaphor, there is imagery, there's emotion, and there's absolute . i don't believe it's absolute. i don't believe it's divine dictation , do believe divine dictation, do believe it's inspired word of god . but it's inspired word of god. but there are passages that can seem jarring. well you require an

intelligent , prayerful analysis intelligent, prayerful analysis of what it's really saying. but this just legalese to make an impression . but it is impression. but it is potentially very dangerous , potentially very dangerous, because once you say about any holy text the way that it might , too offensive to read, too offensive to show in public, that means it's followers are the same and that leads to religious oppression. i don't think would be said about any religious text i think those sorts of religious texts. it would never be said about that. of right. you of course you're right. you know, has many know, the bible has many literary whether is. literary styles, whether it is. but father ashenden, it's the most scandalous story told. most scandalous story ever told. of to be of course, it's supposed to be jarring. it's supposed jarring. of course it's supposed to offensive times to be offensive at times and challenging would have challenging what would have happened, if the happened, do you think, if the cps one. well, i think michael and michael are right, this wouldn't happen to another sacred texts then that it wouldn't happen to hinduism and it certainly wouldn't happen to islam. what we islam. and so i think what we need take away from that is need to take away from that is that this is a war on christians culture. to move culture. it's trying to move christian of the public christian out of the public square and it's also a war on square. and it's also a war on the christian. so the people whose informed by the

whose conscience informed by the bible as , our ancestors and the bible as, our ancestors and the people our society who people who built our society who have for 1500 no have been for 1500 years, no longer have place in society. if the had one, it would established a precedent that would have put us all on the wrong side of the law and essentially made us maybe made us potentially liable for form of thought crime. but they tried it. they tried it very hard. and thank goodness they didn't succeed. i think what we have to do is to try and encourage the people we amongst our culture, to acknowledge that freedom of religious conscience is something that ought to exist for everybody under the law . and for everybody under the law. and that includes christians. it's very odd that it's part of the coronation service, but not not available . a man trying to available. a man trying to express his faith in the public place. absolutely and reverend curran, we've seen this in this instance, but also in other cases, my friend caroline farrow has been at the hands of the police in. this how much involvement should the police police in. this how much involiwith nt should the police police in. this how much involiwith mattersd the police police in. this how much involiwith matters concerning; police in. this how much involiwith matters concerning ? have with matters concerning? well, hardly any at but remember

scripture says a great deal, for example, about how we should regard the rich and the powerful . it talks about redistribution of wealth, talks about that the poor and the marginalised, a radical document. what tends to happen is when someone is preaching sexuality and preaching about sexuality and you know, i'm here as a sort of i know liberal, progressive, but i know liberal, progressive, but i understand what this is about. i understand what this is about. i may disagree with this person when i support marriage, i suppose i am left centre on suppose that i am left centre on this issue, people do have this issue, but people do have a right to move against the status quo and the establishment. right to move against the status quo and the establishment . and quo and the establishment. and we be we are mature we should be we are mature enough to say ignore. i walked i walked here today and past because corner and there are people saying things fundamentalist christians and i thought it was ridiculous and you know what i did i walked past i ignored them. we do have that ability and we have that right and the idea of right in country and the idea of the police think the the police, i don't think the police want be involved, but police want to be involved, but getting involved and getting the police involved and then a legal of someone for having an opinion that i may disagree with know that this is wherever from , the left

wherever it comes from, the left or the right. absolutely unacceptable. and i'll say again, potentially a profoundly dangerous . again, potentially a profoundly dangerous. i'm with you on on some that father ashenden i think of course scripture is to clash with aspects of the modern . of course. so i agree with cps some aspects of this but let's move away from them into the broader conversation because . broader conversation because. we're called be in the world, we're called to be in the world, but not of the world. don't we? so we're never supposed to catch up we never supposed up to modern. we never supposed to the modern world to catch up to the modern world or times. is is that or modern times. is not is that not point of scripture that not the point of scripture that is supposed rooted in is supposed to be rooted in moral absolution? think it is. is supposed to be rooted in nthinkabsolution? think it is. is supposed to be rooted in nthink i)solution? think it is. is supposed to be rooted in nthink i think on? think it is. is supposed to be rooted in nthink i think we're think it is. is supposed to be rooted in nthink i think we're supposed i think i think we're supposed to be both an irritant and an antiseptic we're supposed antiseptic. we're supposed to irritate need irritate things at that need irritating complacency and injustice. we're to be an injustice. and we're to be an antiseptic in the sense if you if you take the values we represent or weave in, we've taken from our own lives will improve society enormously. and we can prove that because we can look back the history of the last years and where last 1500 years and where christianity been applied, christianity has been applied, well, produced best well, it produced the very best kind flourishing and

kind of human flourishing and flourishing yes, it's we flourishing. so, yes, it's we are offering society is not for ourselves. it's not a matter of please do what we want, because we're trying to impose it on you, on whole christians are people who say we've tried living ways, we've tried the secular way in, other ways, and we've discovered christ and we've discovered in christ and in bible, the for in the bible, the best way for human flourishing. try you'll like what we can't like it. but what we can't manage that society manage is that when society energises the police , the energises the police, the criminal justice service, to make choice impossible, we have be able to give people a choice, which means we need to tell them what the bible says in private, in public, and reverend clarion, as a self—proclaimed liberal, progressive and an irritant as well, i think i'll claim that as my title . your new bio on my title. your new bio on twitter . is this another case of twitter. is this another case of laws being brought in to protect yet again harm people's freedoms ? i believe in legislation to , ? i believe in legislation to, protect people who have traditionally been persecuted and marginalised. but there is it's a very difficult one. there is a meeting point and a balance. and i've worked very

closely with the gay community in canada . and if you speak to in canada. and if you speak to those who've campaigned for years often they say, i think we have gone far enough. i might not like what that person says, but i don't really care very much when it comes to employment and and and and housing and so on and physical, that's thing. but physical, that's one thing. but a state ment, an outrageous statement, one that once again ignore someone saying. it's ignore what someone saying. it's not though this person had not as though this person had the speaking millions the airwaves speaking millions of people. that was a small of people who heard him. and most of whom didn't even know what was being said. and just was being said. and they just walked it's made a bigger walked on. it's made a bigger by people. you want to people. i suppose you want to show righteousness, show their righteousness, which is because they seem to is ironic because they seem to object people . this object to other people. this i think that's hitting nail on the head, isn't it, for the action to up? it's no longer the to end up? it's no longer the case that protect people's case that we protect people's views, if we disagree with views, even if we disagree with them. it's the case that the vast well, even vast majority of well, not even the majority, vocal the vast majority, the vocal minority, to suppress views minority, want to suppress views that are different to their own because see as harmful because they see them as harmful and see all views. they see and they see all views. they see off hopeful. that's

off faith. i was hopeful. that's what comes down what it fundamentally comes down to i think i think to is not yes, i think i think the place i'd want to amend father michael's point of view is say that will always be is to say that we will always be wanting after minorities wanting to look after minorities and christians and the vulnerable christians has done that after god has always done that after god came at in the most vulnerable possible . i think the thing that possible. i think the thing that i to say that it's not i want to say is that it's not the community that is the gay community that is vulnerable. not read for vulnerable. i've not read for decades of anybody losing job because had a rainbow , but because they had a rainbow, but i read every week in orlando shooting that the christians are marginalised for wearing for wearing crosses work. the vast majority of society is rainbow orientated for lgbt and a huge majority. the minority christians who say that we to live a different kind of sexual and for that we are being marginalised persecuted all the all kind liberals ought to the aid of christians who are being marginalised just as minorities who want to live in a way that allows their conscience, integrity i don't want to take

this conversation on sexual ethics because we've had that debate, but i do find it interesting that there is this vocal minority who seem to think that their view is different and therefore be and therefore should be superior and suppressing but suppressing any other view. but before on, i couldn't before we move on, i couldn't let one go. cambridge let this one go. a cambridge academic claimed a sermon academic claimed in a sermon that had a trans body, the dean of trinity said exploring such a view was legitimate after a row over the sermon . reverend carr, over the sermon. reverend carr, and i'll start with you, your thoughts on this. yeah the explorer way if you like i. i am very much in favour of rediscovering the real as a jewish man who lived 2000 years ago, who came to us to offer salvation and peace and understanding and truth and the depict scenes of him in mediaeval art. maybe vague and enigmatic in terms of sexuality. but that's the era the artist, not the reality of jesus so this is it's a bit because we're in that we should be exploring the reality of a figure of world

importance whether you're a christian or not to save this i suspect to make a certain point and maybe even to be discussed a station like this is really it's waste of people's time. no jesus . for the longest time i would say this he was depicted as a white blonde aryan figure that i find offensive. he a man of the middle east. what so i'm sorry, what's offensive about? why because it's not true. because it's not true . but i'm just bit it's not true. but i'm just bit because this suggests it's offensive for christ be portrayed as a white blonde man. would you go to japan and say, actually, your pictures of christ as japanese man, i find christ as a japanese man, i find offensive? tell why. of offensive? i'll tell you why. of course, tell i'll tell course, you would tell i'll tell you actually represents you what actually represents someone heritage my someone of jewish heritage. my people have been persecuted over the finish . the years. well, let me finish. let people know this council culture, people have been persecuted for four centuries because jesus was thought to be a european figure and those who didn't fit in, who didn't conform, weren't quite good enough for the least in jesus. i

embrace that. but the idea that in a trans body i think is just a digression from reality and irrelevant . i see your point, irrelevant. i see your point, but i don't agree. i it's terrible to say that cross has been as a european figure in europe. yes japan. he was portrayed as japanese in, china as in persia, as chinese. and in persia, persian local artists portray . persian local artists portray. what they that's what art what they know, that's what art is. not about kind of is. it's not about any kind of racism eurocentrism that's a racism or eurocentrism that's a nonsense. father ashenden nonsense. but to father ashenden , about this, this idea of , talk about this, this idea of a being or even getting to a trans being or even getting to the jesus, the creeds tell the real jesus, the creeds tell us jesus truly god us who real jesus is, truly god and man and man, son of god, a human being, who in the form of a male, an human male. is this not the case? yes. well, i to say hello, cousin to michael. i'm jewish too wonderful to meet you here. and the next thing i want to say is that the that we have with jesus is mystical and spiritual. before racial. so anyone who starts putting whatever notions of race we have in, jesus, obviously these jewish product, god's but but colour or hair , i'm bald. i colour or hair, i'm bald. i

simply find it difficult at all that jesus had a full of hair and. but but the other thing i want to say that is that what the christianity teaches us is that jesus gets to make us more like him. that's the deal. whenever you find somebody making jesus more like them, that's not the deal. so what happenedin that's not the deal. so what happened in cambridge was an process and a perverse process , process and a perverse process, and we shouldn't be surprised because the academy is like that sometimes they don't know where to stop, but we should say that we want equal treatment. they should not to jesus what they would not do to mohammed the present circumstances and they have very badly overstepped the mark of equality of religion by our lord and our saviour in such a casual , our lord and our saviour in such a casual, peremptory way. and it is perfectly right for christian to reject . i'm very pleased that to reject. i'm very pleased that the strongest language was used to try and give them some sense of proportion. yeah, i'm also pleased the student stood pleased to see the student stood up this up against this heresy, this blasphemy. both very blasphemy. thank you both very much. plenty more to come this afternoon sense

afternoon on my common sense crusade the break. a later crusade after the break. a later one on the royal commentator who says late for prince says that late queen for prince harry, a little too in love with meghan . and if anyone deserves meghan. and if anyone deserves an anti—racism award, it controls what harry meghan controls what harry and meghan but have a look at but first, let's have a look at the weather . looking ahead . this the weather. looking ahead. this evening's weather and the uk is looking wet in the southeast . looking wet in the southeast. some showers across western parts . let's take a look at the parts. let's take a look at the details . south western england details. south western england will see mix of clear spells and scattered this evening. the showers will be mainly across devon and cornwall and could be locally heavy skies across the south—east of england will remain cloudy and we can expect further rain at times, especially kent and sussex wales see a showery end to sunday with winds also remaining brisk along the west coast eastern , though, the west coast eastern, though, will see some lengthy dry spells sunday will end on a dry note across the midlands with the clearest skies across the north and west a, few mist and fog patches may also form at the

evening goes on north eastern england will also be largely dry that further west will be some showers, some of which may be heavy. it will be breezy irish sea coast but lighter winds elsewhere, showers be quite widespread across scotland evening with the showers heavy in the far north east, though, may avoid most of showers and stay largely dry . northern stay largely dry. northern ireland, though , be so lucky ireland, though, be so lucky with scattered showers continuing here throughout the evening winds will be brisk especially along the coast and over the overnight . we'll see over the overnight. we'll see further showers in the west , the further showers in the west, the uk but drier further east with some mist patches forming and that's how the weather is shaping up overnight into tomorrow morning .

crusade on gb news on tv , online crusade on gb news on tv, online and on your wireless the duke and on your wireless the duke and of sussex are mired in controversy once again after it was announced they will be awarded the robert kennedy human rights award for standing up to structures racism in monarchy, and for their willingness to speak up and to change the narrative on social justice groan justifying their decision. the organisation's president kerry kennedy stated they went to the oldest institution in the uk and told them what they were doing wrong. it as the conflict between the sussexes , the royal between the sussexes, the royal family seems set to only deepen with the new king's reign . with with the new king's reign. with me now is michael cole, former royal correspondent . thank you royal correspondent. thank you for joining us this sunday. michael i couldn't believe the words i was reading and have meghan and harry finally burnt their bridges with the royal

family calvin, you've you family. calvin, you've you summed it up brilliantly, but i just must revert your wonderful last discussion because, you know, as joan evolved, she was the same. but was she also man? and does it even matter ? these and does it even matter? these are matters for middle ages. but let's turning to the present day. we've got to brothers prince william , prince harry, prince william, prince harry, both the east coast of america, prince william , his wife in prince william, his wife in boston and prince harry and. meghan markle in york both interact with generous hosts from the kennedy family . prince from the kennedy family. prince william will be in boston talking about his earthshot , a talking about his earthshot, a programme which will get a lot of good press and is an excellent initiative. and this which is being given . to prince, which is being given. to prince, prince harry and. well, i think comment on that has already been made by his older brother

william when he shouted out this is very much not a racist. william when he shouted out this is very much not a racist . and i is very much not a racist. and i think i do with that racism was anathema to. the late queen as as 1960. she was dancing a dance, which i think was called the high life, which with kwame nkrumah in ghana and. later, she danced with kenneth cowan in zambia and. how could she be a racist? she was monarch of many overseas realms. her were countries . and if anybody did countries. and if anybody did tremendous work throughout her life to bring together the various racism religions of the commonwealth, i think nobody did more than the queen. she really believed in the efficacy and value of the commonwealth, which was set up and was the lasting legacy by her of a father , king legacy by her of a father, king george of the six. and in 1947. and she continued that work and

she really believed in it . her she really believed in it. her in the royal the commonwealth wasn't just somewhere to go in the winter. it was something she believed in and she wanted prince charles to carry on and think. i think the charge was very , very unfair. of course it very, very unfair. of course it was unspoken when it was made on that notorious interview with oprah winfrey. it you know, the charge of racism is particularly one because it's easy to make andifs one because it's easy to make and it's hard to refute . you can and it's hard to refute. you can rebut it or you like it. but there is this lingering suspicion and i don't think it's very fair at all. think you look at what people do rather than what you think they are thinking . and by their very actions the royal family over the over the decades it's been in the forefront of breaking down racial barriers . perhaps you racial barriers. perhaps you have a different view but i would be surprised if you did because so minded i'm with you

on this one michael i've been the victim of racism throughout my life and it's a horrible thing, which is why i hate it when throw around the word willy nilly backing up of nilly without any backing up of evidence anything just evidence or anything just because they know cause because they know it's cause they it sticks. and it's they know it sticks. and it's a it's an abusive term to it's almost an abusive term to label these days. label people with these days. but want to move on to because but i want to move on to because is this laser focus we have is this laser focus that we have on and all faults and on meghan and all faults and there many perhaps there are many is that perhaps shielding of the shielding other members of the royal needed criticism. royal family needed criticism. well i don't i don't so i think what we're seeing now and i think is quite interesting. calvin the new king is only three months into his new reign , and he's very much taking the reins differently into his hands. and i think members of his own royal family feeling that because we have his younger brother , prince andrew, he's brother, prince andrew, he's banished royal darkness never to come back again . i banished royal darkness never to come back again. i think if prince harry with his book in january published in january called spare if he rattles a lot

skeletons in the closet , then skeletons in the closet, then i think there's a very strong case that the new king who is putting his stamp on things will actually remove his honorific title. hrh and then of course we the case of prince edward, i mean, he was definitely promised the dukedom of by his father and by his mother indeed it was on his website that he would become a duke of edinburgh and to give him credit for the last years and i've witnessed this , he has and i've witnessed this, he has worked very very hard for the duke of edinburgh award scheme, which is his father's lasting legacy and a valued one around the world. and would have made sense. have been dyson sense. it would have been dyson if been able to take over if he'd been able to take over the dukedom of edinburgh, but apparently it is true that his majesty the king is thinking of reserving this type for princess charlotte, only seven years old, it seemed like to like a bit of

a burden to put on a little child's shoulders, to become royal duchess. but that apparently is what he wants to happen. there we are. a lovely picture of with a beautiful little butterfly . and she little butterfly. and she obviously acted absolutely impeccably during the queen's and she was seen there the princess and prince of wales took the gamble of taking their children to a very, very grown up their grandmothers a great grandmother's funeral and they and behaved impeccably but it's and behaved impeccably but it's a bit of a burden and i don't know what you think but i think it evokes unfortunate tragic memories of some of the romanoffs the imperial of russia there. i don't you were going to tell you that but i'm with you and that seems like a snub. it seems like prince edward should have become the duke of edinburgh. and it seems now we'll the duchess of we'll have the duchess of edinburgh awards of duke of edinburgh awards of the duke of edinburgh awards of the duke of edinburgh seems a bit edinburgh awards. it seems a bit messed what the messed up, but i see what the king trying to do in slimming

king is trying to do in slimming down the royal family. but i always love to get your analysis. thank much. analysis. thank you so much. michael royal michael cole, former royal correspondent. always gb correspondent. you always gb news and online. news on tv, radio and online. and the fans been and after the england fans been told not to dress up as st george fear of insulting muslims in qatar after two supporters were apparently led away by world cup security . now it's world cup security. now it's time a check on this time for a check on this headunes time for a check on this headlines the singing taxi headlines with the singing taxi on sumptuous. thank you very much, calvin . 333 this is the much, calvin. 333 this is the latest from the tv news. the met police say the murders two teenagers in south—east london are linked to 16 year old boys. kenneth a lanky and charlie bartolo were both stabbed to death yesterday afternoon around a mile apart in greenwich. the met's south east deputy commander has appealed for on saturday. that's around 5:10. police were called to report of two people injured in two locations. the locations

approximately one mile apart. emergency services attended immediately and each location they found 16 year old boy suffering step injuries . suffering step injuries. tragically both boys died . their tragically both boys died. their injuries , protests against covid injuries, protests against covid lockdown measures continuing in china after ten people died in a tower block fire in urumqi. demonstrators claim coronavirus measures which have seen locked down for as long as 100 days, may have impeded their escape. civil unrest now spread to shanghaiand civil unrest now spread to shanghai and at a level unseen since president xi jinping took office with chants calling him to resign . the government says to resign. the government says the online safety bill that's going to be updated next month will criminalise the encouragement of self—harm. it said changes have been influenced by mollie russell, the 14 year old girl who ended

her in 2017 after viewing content linked to suicide and self—harm. the new would target onune self—harm. the new would target online material that manipulates the vulnerable, making it illegal to do so . and the queen illegal to do so. and the queen consort is to break the time old tradition of having ladies in waiting. opting for companions instead . buckingham palace has instead. buckingham palace has announced the of the six women who are going to support camilla in her official duties. in addition to her privates and deputy privates secretaries. it's believed the companion work will be similar, but not extensive, as the late queen's ladies in waiting . tv online and ladies in waiting. tv online and tv plus radio. this is gb news. stay with us. calvin back in a moment .

welcome back to the common sense crusade gb news on tv online and on your wireless . england fans on your wireless. england fans attending the world cup in qatar have been warned against dressing st george or wearing other crusader inspired imagery as it may be unwelcome in the islamic . two supporters dressed islamic. two supporters dressed as knights have already denied access to the stadiums in doha amid the latest controversy plaguing this year's tournament. it appears, however, that many fans are of the wider context rather than aiming to be deliberately malicious whilst in the gulf state. with me now is sports broadcaster adam . aidan sports broadcaster adam. aidan brits have been wearing st george's cross forever. it's nothing to do with islamic states. no, it's not. you can go back to. well, i mean. i went to my first time. it was 1998 in france. i it was there everywhere . not just crusades as everywhere. not just crusades as well, not just because i do outfits all kind of any kind of livery that depicts the fact that they're english you that they're english fans. you know there was back the

know in fact there was back the eighties i mean, i remember on television it was was television it was it was it was union flags and then it was a kind of line in the sand where it i think to realise that the other nations were getting stronger therefore had stronger and therefore we had to identify english. was, identify as english. but it was, it it was harmless, it it was home, it was harmless, it was taken in good faith. i think that's a matter of understanding on for which on the ground really, for which fifa to take some, fifa has to take some, some blame, really. signed blame, really. they signed a memorandum understanding. memorandum of understanding. they a world they knew exactly what a world cup would look as cup in qatar would look like. as with the fa. and so therefore, i think it's up to fifa to educate the country that they're in qatar known what qatar must have also known what was to happen once was going to happen once they hosted cup of hosted the world cup of football. did. but football. yeah, they did. but you think they would that you would think they would that do that diligence. mean, the do that diligence. i mean, the last was only four and last time was only four and a half years ago. so you think they would have had some delegates so delegates there? you know, so i think that it would be beyond the their capacity the realms of their capacity of understanding that understanding to realise that that's football fans behave. that's how football fans behave. they we're to they just thought we're going to do we're not going do it ourselves. we're not going to attention how to pay any attention to how anyone before. you're anyone has done before. you're going our rules. going to respect our rules. there that there's a degree there is that there's a degree of as peacock said last night,

on on with donation. he said, you land. it's you cannot just land. it's almost go and almost neo—colonialism go and just foreign territory almost neo—colonialism go and just say, foreign territory almost neo—colonialism go and just say, thisyreign territory almost neo—colonialism go and just say, this isign territory almost neo—colonialism go and just say, this is howarritory almost neo—colonialism go and just say, this is how you've got and say, this is how you've got to life. qatar is 50 to live your life. qatar is 50 years old, years before years old, ten years before that, germany, who a that, germany, who want a protagonist week the protagonist this week of the seven federations making seven federations who are making their they were their feelings known they were marching europe marching through europe preaching germany marching through europe preach not germany marching through europe preach not not germany marching through europe preach not not suffocating. rmany marching through europe preach not not suffocating. and|y or not not not suffocating. and so don't believe that always so i don't believe that always in position to lecture. and in a position to lecture. and what's calvin it to a what's more calvin to it to a muslim which is try and muslim country which is try and has its own customs and their their behaviour within tournament in tournament is entrenched in their idea that their faith. the idea that we can opinions, pie can change opinions, that's pie in it really it's not in the sky, it really it's not going happen. saw gavin going to happen. i saw gavin peacock's interview. i thought it's interesting because it's quite interesting because the that they have the whole idea that they have that culture, their values, that culture, have their values, then what they are then they know what they are and, with and, they're comfortable with them there and them who always go in there and actually need to flying actually you need to be flying the rainbow flag. is it virtue signalling the part of these footballers? e £500,000 footballers? but the £500,000 watches rainbow watches with a little rainbow ring watches with a little rainbow fing edge watches with a little rainbow ring edge of the ring around the edge of the rolex and rest. rolex hundred and the rest. yeah, no, listen fia yeah, but no, listen the fia signed with signed an agreement with stonewall back in november 2018. that line in the sand that was the line in the sand there was nobody would be the

fia and within the premier league any political league with any political awareness probably awareness they probably didn't know were getting know what they were getting into. they realised some years later you follow this later that once you follow this path one way street with path it's a one way street with a minimum speed limit of about 1000 miles an there's 1000 miles an hour. there's turning so you then turning back. and so you then you doubling down, end you up, doubling down, you end up the nth degree up taking it to the nth degree like german, germans did like the german, the germans did today their mouths. today by covering their mouths. also today, by putting this also not today, by putting this evening. do it in a few evening. they'll do it in a few a few days time and these are these are corporate interests . these are corporate interests. that's what it's about. this it's these the players as well as even though as individuals, even though they're to cfa because they're beholden to cfa because who for in this who they're working for in this tournament, they have their individual boot with puma, individual boot deals with puma, nike who all nike with adidas who all probably with probably start out with stonewall once stonewall as well. so once you allow stonewall infiltrate allow stonewall to infiltrate football with local football as it has with local councils, it has with councils, as it has with education, as it has in large parts of media. you're parts of the media. you're you're inviting a problem which is difficult, is very, very difficult, alleviate down line. alleviate further down the line. once you agree once you've got once you agree to it's very difficult to to that, it's very difficult to turn back. we've the turn back. we've seen the manifestation of at this manifestation of that at this tournament. it's about tournament. so it's not about moral it's even moral values. it's not even about it's about virtue signalling. it's about virtue signalling. it's about doubt. yeah.

about money without doubt. yeah. without i think without without. and i think that fidelity that's in that all the fidelity that's in the board and the the board members and the players managers, the players and the managers, the coaches the suddenly coaches and the media, suddenly up and a half years up about four and a half years ago develops a social ago and develops a social conscious social conscience when , it, the cup , let's face it, the world cup was was given to back in 2010. they've had 12 years to sort this mess out. so either take it away or agree you go there, you're going to want your neck in a little bit but it's difficult when see, when they signed this agreement with stonewall, it was stonewall, they thought it was just going to be all work. it's good business. a few good for business. a few hashtags twitter, few hashtags on twitter, a few few rainbow badges bit rainbow laces, some badges bit a bit just politics that bit of just politics that they're when. it came to they're into when. it came to actually stand. it's actually making a stand. it's actually making a stand. it's actually have they're actually fifa have said they're going sanctions going to impose sanctions the way if i didn't disclose what those sanctions were by way, those sanctions were by the way, which interesting, which is interesting, despite being you being several times, once you you that tournament and you go into that tournament and then actually then you're required to actually make a stand and back up everything you believed in for the years. but when it the last four years. but when it comes to points and points, comes down to points and points, it's glibly. it's it's easy for me glibly. it's easy me to say points quite easy for me to say points quite glibly. prizes glibly. points, equal prizes equal glibly. points, equal prizes equal, all stems from equal, money. so all stems from the thing. then they

the same thing. then they backtrack as backtrack from that and as gareth southgate saying this gareth southgate was saying this way, becoming a bit way, oh, becoming a bit of a bit of a sideshow now we're having to football has take precedence. well have told well hello i would have told someone three weeks someone that about three weeks ago was that's ago that the football was that's what there for with this what we're there for with this piay what we're there for with this play football game. yeah it is. it but it's about it's a it is. but it's about it's a very rich game. nobody makes stone. that stone. we weren't that interested in involved in other sports. football sports. they wanted football because its reach they wanted because of its reach they wanted the numbers. with you there. the numbers. i'm with you there. thank much, mcgee. thank you very much, adam mcgee. and us on this and also joining us on this conversation dr. azaria conversation is dr. azaria mason, historian and author. sir, very joining sir, thank very much for joining us this sunday. why might this choice of dress you, the crusaders in crusaders who turned up in qatar? why this upset the qatar? why might this upset the arab? us who don't arab? for those of us who don't know history ? well, know this history? well, clearly, because the security guards send hadn't a clue about multiple guys and the fact that these people were actually doing imitating a comedy spoof on the crusades . they weren't dressing crusades. they weren't dressing as crusaders they were dressing. is characters out of monty python . the fact that they had

python. the fact that they had sent george's crosses on them is as your other contributor said, quite normal when england is playing . so the whole thing is playing. so the whole thing is really storm in a teacup. what is concerning is the fans concerned were really manhandled by the guards they were to strip naked and humiliated that was totally unnecessary weren't just turned away and i do think i do disagree with your previous contributor about flying the rainbow flag because i think i have nothing to do stonewall and very little to do with football ehhen very little to do with football either. but i think major sporting events like this ought to happen in countries that have a terrible homophobic record. we wouldn't do it in iran . why do wouldn't do it in iran. why do it in qatar? simply qatar pays enough money for it. and i it's quite different from the munich which we did go to . but in

which we did go to. but in retrospect, shouldn't have. so i think the message would take from that is don't to sporting events in a racist homophobic countries . i mean it's a fair countries. i mean it's a fair point. can you just give because you're a historian, can you just give us a bit of a backdrop of the crusades because many people think an offensive think that this was an offensive front islamic world. was front on the islamic world. was it the case that this was it not the case that this was christian and of course christian defence and of course at some point defending and taking land ? taking back holy land? absolutely. i mean, the holy land been disputed for millennia jerusalem. clearly you know , jerusalem. clearly you know, central to the jewish faith then to the christian faith and, the muslims were rather latecomers to this. i mean, they captured jerusalem after , defeating the jerusalem after, defeating the christians who had already captured it from the jews . so captured it from the jews. so i don't think the muslims any divine right to it . and i think divine right to it. and i think the crusades , you know, the crusades, you know, mediaeval battles for territory

, for the crusader kingdom , you , for the crusader kingdom, you know, lasted for century or more and had quite a strong human rights record . so i didn't brand rights record. so i didn't brand crusaders as necessarily big imperialists. but the hotel and sea now is to apologise for anything the west and to treat everyone is sort of victim who lacked any agency of their own. absolutely i was going to ask, does this have connotations with supremacy ideologies? but of course, the question is rather, are we seeing are we putting every other ideology and culture in a supreme pedestal compared to our own ? we are any situation to our own? we are any situation where we see . european western, where we see. european western, european forces , eastern or european forces, eastern or asian or african forces . we asian or african forces. we instantly assume that the west was the aggressor the big

dominator of these sort of innocent wonderful peoples who lived totally kind of harmonious , peaceful lives. they never fought with each other. this total myth we construct around the western pre—colonial societies and demonise the west , i think it's completely unhelpful. but thank you for that wonderful analogy. doctors are masonic historian and author . the gender recognition bill is currently going through the scottish parliament. it allow men to identify as women and versa simply by declaring themselves. so olivia utley has beenin themselves. so olivia utley has been in edinburgh to find out more for a country where the popular union of just five and a half million scotland to be facing more than its fair share of existential crises . while the of existential crises. while the war over independence rages on, new battle lines being drawn up over an issue that could turn out to be even more contentious a law that would fundamentally alter what it means to be a

woman north of the border. in a move sent shockwaves through hollyrood , the scottish hollyrood, the scottish parliament recently voted in favour of legislation that would men to become women and vice versa merely by declaring so under the gender recognition reform bill scotland, which is currently making its way through committee stage adults , scots committee stage adults, scots will be able to change their legal sex after three months of living in their required gender without medical intervention or even a gender dysphoria diagnosis , the snp and the diagnosis, the snp and the driving force behind the bill argue itself is , as it is known, argue itself is, as it is known, is necessary to make life easier for trans . a historically for trans. a historically marginalised group. and that's why we to reform the process to make it simpler. most more compassionate unless medicalised . but some scots are alarmed about the wider impacts that . a about the wider impacts that. a seismic change to the law could have on women's rights . if you have on women's rights. if you can't define what a woman is, if a woman in scotland ceases to be

somebody who's a female person, then we lose all of our sex based protections . so my work in based protections. so my work in health . so my concern is how to health. so my concern is how to provide maternity services for people who are having babies who aren't female among the most concerned a detransition is those who have undergone hormone therapy and surgery in order make their bodies conform to that of opposite sex. and who now to go back to the way they were before? shane watson is one such person at the age 20, she starts to identify a man finding her breasts and using the name sean. but at 27, after four and a half years on testosterone and a half years on testosterone and a double mastectomy, she returned to living as a woman having realised been incorrectly diagnosed as trans we know from the cas review and from the other stories of detransition and all new research and information that's coming out that a lot of this group have comorbid conditions. a of them are on the autistic spectrum . a are on the autistic spectrum. a lot of them suffer from internalised misogyny or

homophobia a lot of them have depression and anxiety and other forms of self—hatred, like eating disorders. this a very eating disorders. this is a very complex group. and so we cannot medicalised it when it comes to something like this, where the inevitable pathway , medical inevitable pathway, medical transition, that reversal changes your body under cases, can harm you across . sex can harm you across. sex hormones, hand me there needs to be some medical on looking. there needs to be therapy there needs to be treatment. the bills a big blow this week when. a un senior official urged scottish ministers to postpone it, but with overwhelming support from the ruling parties, it's hard to imagine this particular piece of legislation being kicked into the long grass as ordinary scots may not know it yet . but it may not know it yet. but it seems genteel. edinburgh it's become the front line for the fiercest of culture wars . that's fiercest of culture wars. that's which will decide what it means to be a woman. olivia utley gb news edinburgh . before we move news edinburgh. before we move on, let's have a look at what you've been saying about today's

topics on reparations. eugene says the history of barbados is important here. the overwhelming majority of the native population were killed or displaced by the spanish portuguese. people portuguese. the people transported as slaves have inherited the land . surely that inherited the land. surely that is reparations ? well, referring is reparations? well, referring to a discussion on the bible, mark says, holy cow, for once i actually agree with you. i think need a light on? yeah, officer, everyone walked out. you and on the persecution of christians tori says i'm surprised that so few people are highlighting plight of christians in qatar. there's one area called the religious area containing a small number of christian churches behind a big wall hidden by the industrial area construct . have no bells, no construct. have no bells, no steeple, no crosses or any use of the word church from outside. that's a good point, of the word church from outside. that's a good point , because that's a good point, because we're seeing more and more mosques popping up in the uk more and, calls to prayer more and, more calls to prayer and audible sense. however, more and, more calls to prayer an

fight rights. on fight for christian rights. on our jesus andy our discussion about jesus andy says, really if . says, i don't really care if. jesus trans, but i wish he jesus was trans, but i wish he would come now. humanity is ruining place without him. hey andy, bring it out . watch. we'll andy, bring it out. watch. we'll try to be ready. i a major new study has found that people who look after their grandkids in old age are less likely to suffer from loneliness than those who for a spouse. the those who care for a spouse. the study by researchers from king's college, london looked at the findings from 28 countries and found that out of seven found that in six out of seven cases, caring for grandkids was unked cases, caring for grandkids was linked to lower feelings of loneliness . those who simply loneliness. those who simply cared spouse , however, cared for a spouse, however, were have higher levels were found to have higher levels , partners. , often because of partners. health conditions such as dementia . with me now is robin dementia. with me now is robin heanngs dementia. with me now is robin hearings programme , director of hearings programme, director of the campaign end . good the campaign to end. good afternoon, robin . what can we afternoon, robin. what can we take away from these findings ? take away from these findings? well, i think what we can really take away from this is just that when have connections in life , when have connections in life, then it makes our lives much, much better. and also , i think

much better. and also, i think the other thing i think really struck home to me about this is that when someone we create connection by helping other people and by kind of meaningful activity. so think this fits very well what we already knew . very well what we already knew. i think it's really good news to have it shown in this systematic review . so why do you think review. so why do you think caring for one's grandkids helps so much reducing these feelings ? well, i think that when people have kind of purpose life and are needed and notice what kind of social interaction in caring for children's you are looking at you caring for your grandchildren, but obviously you'll be taking them to nursery or taking on playdates. there's lots and lots of kind of really interaction with them in that way. and certainly i know my own experience. it's often is a great way of keeping in touch with your own children as well when your giving all that support to two young children. what can we do to help reduce

the loneliness so many feel ? so the loneliness so many feel? so i think that more work that this study helped us to make loneliness less stigmatised that it's not people's that they're lonely but also the things that you can do about loneliness . you can do about loneliness. things like these, things about meaningful activity , meaningful meaningful activity, meaningful ways of coming together could be to your grandchildren . it could to your grandchildren. it could be joining some kind of voluntary group . what it what voluntary group. what it what that would be is what you find interesting, what you'd like to do. and that also , i think, is do. and that also, i think, is also about making sure that we have the funding for groups to have the funding for groups to have the funding for groups to have the groups that can help to bnng have the groups that can help to bring people together and those kinds of volunteering community things are a really important part of ways in which we can be put together and have music to your ears as well would be that obviously kind of faith for people who you know are religious can be another really important way of bringing people

together. i know that many associations would say that a lot of that kind of charitable work is very much about tackling loneliness . oh, absolutely. loneliness. oh, absolutely. robin do you think the elderly are forgotten about in our society ? so just in terms of society? so just in terms of kind of loneliness, loneliness kind of loneliness, loneliness kind of loneliness, loneliness kind of happens right across the kind of happens right across the kind of happens right across the kind of age. so young people can be lonely often because they've got there's a lot of change in life when you're young, you're still working at that. you are. whereas when you're older, people often not lonely . people are often not so lonely. the group that we need to most worry about recently idleness are not as. it were kind of healthy. 65 year olds who might have retired but people have just retired but people when become kind of frail when they become kind of frail or housebound and particularly people have been bereaved. yes that makes a big difference to whether someone is and they are absolutely groups that need much more support . absolutely groups that need much more support. thank you for the work that you do robin. that's robin hearing's programme, director the campaign end director of the campaign to end loneliness. know, loneliness. now, you know, i always like to end on the collector and it's a wonderful

today because it's the first sunday advent. almighty god sunday of advent. almighty god give may cast away give grace that we may cast away the of darkness and put the works of darkness and put upon armour of light. upon us the armour of light. now, the of this mortal now, in the time of this mortal life the son jesus life in which the son jesus christ came to visit us , in christ came to visit us, in great humility, that in the last day, when he shall come again , day, when he shall come again, his majesty to judge his glorious majesty to judge both the and the dead, we both the quick and the dead, we may to the life immortal through him who lives and reign us with thee holy ghost. now thee and the holy ghost. now evermore. amen. you have been watching calvin's common sense crusade with me. calvin robinson. i'll be back with you next sunday at 2 pm. nana akua is up next. before that, here's your latest weather dashboard podcast . the looking ahead to podcast. the looking ahead to this evening's weather and the uk is looking wet in the southeast with some showers across parts. let's take a look at the details. southwest and england will see a mix of clear spells and scattered showers. this evening. the showers will be mainly across devon and cornwall and could be locally heavy. skies the south—east of england will remain and we can

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