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at around 5:10, police were called to report of two people injured in two locations. the locations approx approximately one mile apart. emergency services attended immediately and each location they found a 16 year old boy suffering step injuries . tragically both boys injuries. tragically both boys died of their injuries. injuries. tragically both boys died of their injuries . the died of their injuries. the government says the online safety bill will be updated month to criminalise the encouragement of self—harm . it encouragement of self—harm. it says the changes have been by molly russell , the 14 year old molly russell, the 14 year old who ended her life in 2017 after viewing content linked to suicide and self—harm , the new suicide and self—harm, the new bill would target online that manipulates a vulnerable making it illegal . alice hendy is the it illegal. alice hendy is the founder of suicide prevention charity . she lost her brother to charity. she lost her brother to suicide and says the bill should have come out sooner. the online

safety bill itself has taken far too long to come out . i mean, too long to come out. i mean, we've seen countless delays counting revisions. it's seen revisions now under three prime ministers. this an urgent bill and.the ministers. this an urgent bill and. the longer we leave at the more lives. unfortunately are going to be destroyed and more families out there are going to feel like mine. families out there are going to feel like mine . great manchester feel like mine. great manchester police say a man whose body was found covered in potentially substances was sprayed . acid. 38 substances was sprayed. acid. 38 year old liam smith body was found in the street in the kilburn drive area of wigan on thursday. he is also shot. the area is still off and residents who are feeling are being urged to contact authorities. a murder investigation is ongoing . investigation is ongoing. protests covid lockdown measures are continuing in china after people died in a tower fire in urumqi . demonstrators claim

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back to nana. gooditis back to nana. good it is fast approaching 6 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio on nana. news on tv online and on digital radio on nana . a queer is radio on nana. a queer is turning into a bit of a strike which as we all know, will end up being completely counter. everybody's doing . we've got everybody's doing. we've got rail strikes which are dragging on tubes , strikes, postal on tubes, strikes, postal strikes with 115,000 workers downing tools. we've had barristers, dockers all in the last few months or . barristers, dockers all in the last few months or. so. and this week, we also saw 70,000 people in the universe in college lecturers union walk out. so probably come as nice prize for the first time ever the royal college of nursing is announcing strike days. and more than 300,000 nurses will stop working. the royal college of midwives is also consulting its members, as are junior doctors in the british medical. it's turning into the hokey pokey. others voting for potential strike action, including 400,000

nhs workers in unison. we'll find out in january whether they're going to go on with it and their general secretary, mccartney said coordinated action. unites us and we have a single goal . and this pay crisis single goal. and this pay crisis in this country country. so basically if they all and people start dying the government which is asked will have to do something about it. but there's no there's 400,000 teachers and support staff there. unions are holding strike ballots . the holding strike ballots. the scottish teachers union is already taking action. 100,000 civil servants in the public and commercial services union have voted heavily for industrial , voted heavily for industrial, despite the fact that are in a mess for paying a lot of them. you sat down, they got a wage dunng you sat down, they got a wage during the pandemic. and there are also disputes involving airline ground staff in the gmb. some dockworkers, london bus drivers beat out rate staff. it's just a long list of people who want more money to combat .

who want more money to combat. at this rate, nobody will be at work. this is getting ridiculous . there'll be no one working to pay . there'll be no one working to pay for all this . we need pay for all this. we need business and industry to move to pay business and industry to move to pay for this . and if the world pay for this. and if the world stands still, nothing will happen. put it this way. the last time there was a general strike , because this is where strike, because this is where we're heading, didn't pan we're heading, it didn't pan out. in 1926, the general out. well, in 1926, the general strike there were over 1.7 million people went on strike . million people went on strike. conservative stanley baldwin , conservative stanley baldwin, who's in charge, he was well prepared . within nine days, the prepared. within nine days, the strike was called off. now you could blame this on design , just could blame this on design, just tory rule because it's been pretty bad. but would the labour party fare much better? it's difficult . fathom how they can difficult. fathom how they can do any worse . but just this do any worse. but just this week, in prime minister's questions, rishi sunak demanded labour get its union paymasters to call off the waves of strikes and save christmas for millions of families. frankly i'm losing sympathy for, these strikers. this will cost the economy

hundreds of millions of pounds. we're already in a recession . we're already in a recession. people are cancelling shopping trips are being axed along with festive to pantomimes and shows all under threat . look, i agree. all under threat. look, i agree. people have the right to strike, but in the end, if you follow it through to its natural conclusion, the country will be bankrupt . nobody will win . so bankrupt. nobody will win. so before we get into debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this i'm asking following a suspected diphtheria outbreak, should health for migrants be mandatory ? home migrants be mandatory? home office has come under fire reports that dozens of migrants suffering from diphtheria were moved from a processing centre in kent to other parts of the country. and health officials have blamed a lack of testing for failures and dubbed the transfers reckless . so should transfers reckless. so should screening be mandatory ? then screening be mandatory? then a full 58th world view. donald trump has a pretty thanksgiving dinner with controversial rapper

kanye west and nick valencia's. this all comes after he reinstated on twitter as as announcing his presidential bid . i'll be getting the latest stateside report. then it followed . it's this week's followed. it's this week's outside now celebrity guest this week is a football legend. he played for southampton. his entire professional in the nineties. he also known to be a creative attacking midfielder, known the penalty to score superb goals . any clues? keep superb goals. any clues? keep guessing . stay tuned. he'll be guessing. stay tuned. he'll be live in the. that's along the. stay with me. so you got everything we're discussing you can email to give you gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. right. or tweet me at. gb news. right. let's get started . let's welcome let's get started. let's welcome to my panel. labour, formerly rampage, steven pound. and also political commentator albie amankona . thank you. thank you amankona. thank you. thank you both . coming in right after the both. coming in right after the fun. steven, nice to see you on the panel as lovely to see you. if i may say you're looking. oh,

thank you. your eyes match what i. i saw. thank you. your eyes match what i. i saw . well, i can change my i. i saw. well, i can change my countries by. i think it says, steven, first of all, to come to you could labour and people look past it is about you. but the labour party is sort of in hock with these trade unions. it is the way because, you know, keir starmer was slightly non—committal did you know non—committal and did you know he stop somebody he get he did stop somebody he did get it sort sack somebody for it did sort sack somebody for breaking his you know, his authority. so what you think? yeah. no, no. look, the labour party isn't in the pocket of the trade unions. i rather wish the trade unions. i rather wish the trade they give us trade news. they give us more money. the. the money. yeah, well, the. the trade movement formed trade union movement formed the labour was years labour party. that was 122 years ago. about between 60 ago. and we get about between 60 and 65% of the income from unions from a small number of union. but do you. that's a lot, isn't it? it is a lot. but you know, we're going to talk about union paymasters either, but he's right in that 65% and that's a decreasing figure was. things like they are in groups unions rmt the rmt unions like the rmt the rmt don't not any money to don't only not give any money to laboun don't only not give any money to labour. actually stand labour. they actually stand candidates against labour but

you really annoys me about you don't really annoys me about this people who we're this is all the people who we're talking are the people who talking about are the people who are jobs and are well paid. well jobs and certainly better paid the most people, the single people, the people, the single people, the people like my son is an electrician. people work electrician. the people who work in people who work in the small are people who work in the small are people who work in in the in the in bu, who work in the in the warehouse factories. they don't have because can't have unions because they can't be what's going be unionised. and what's going to is, again that to happen here is, again that the people like the tube train drivers, you they're drivers, you know, they're earning go in a way. earning a fair go in a good way. they they speed head through they they can speed head through through there. through the green light there. but awful lot of but going to an awful lot of people travel on those who people who travel on those who are unionised workforces. are not in unionised workforces. and think it's a real problem. and i think it's a real problem. but when you've actually put your something which is your finger something which is possibly the possibly going to change the political, whether the tories are mess, no question that are in a mess, no question that of no, no, no . one thing of us. no, no, no. one thing that they could actually one card they could you talked card they could play. you talked about in 1926. about stanley, born in 1926. i remember it well. and after general strike in their life and people are losing . just under people are losing. just under 100 after the general strike in 19. well, stephen, i mean, you know, how many you see the

picture , the etching , 1926. picture, the etching, 1926. following that you had 19 years of the conservatives , 1979. we of the conservatives, 1979. we had the nearest thing to a general strike. after that, we had 18 years of the conservative. the fact remains is if rishi sunak i think, you know, he hasn't got many cards to play, but he's got the jeremy corbyn card frankly is yesterday's news and he's got the in the pockets, the, you know, of paymasters . he know, of your paymasters. he will try that and he will bang away that. trouble is away that. and the trouble is the go out on strike. the the people go out on strike. the more public's patience. more the public's patience. every time you said that the hockey coach, i don't think is in our in that i think he's out out out. i mean i all about another one he's next he's in his it's just it's just getting ridiculous. i mean surely it like with the like i sympathise with the nurses that of nurses and people that of course, but surely we can all see that everybody, there'll be nobody tax into this to nobody to pay tax into this to give pay rise so that give you a pay rise so that obviously think can obviously they think they can tell inflation tell you about wage inflation and. inflation. what up and. price inflation. what up here? i think we've got to here? well, i think we've got to look at what is causing these strikes go actually,

strikes to go on. and actually, one things that we've one of the things that we've seen in country since 2008, seen in this country since 2008, financial is will wage financial crash is will wage stagnation in the british economy. couple that with inflation, which is over 11% as recently reported this year and people have had a real chance pay people have had a real chance pay cuts. so that's why these people are going on strike and that's why it's so important for the government a handle the government to get a handle of now, i think of inflation. now, i think there's an expectation that inflation down inflation will come down next year i'm rishi rishi year and i'm sure rishi rishi will very much hoping for that. but ultimately the government's in a pickle because unions in a pickle because the unions people working in the public sector want have higher pay . but sector want have higher pay. but the government is saying that it's unaffordable . well, that it's unaffordable. well, that seems to make sense to me . and seems to make sense to me. and that's 19, 19, 19. but that's almost 19, 19, 19. but then, of course , the barristers, then, of course, the barristers, i think, got a 15% pay rise. so it's a really tricky situation that the government and it's not very clear to me how exactly they're going to get out of that. well, we'll put it this way, but think people get this way, but i think people get this this playboys 90% investor comes . these people will be ridiculously well—paid. i mean,

i think we need to we need to have a reality here in the real world as much as i'd love to, you know, everyone should these pay you know, everyone should these pay in the real the pay rises in the real the economy collapse . so economy will collapse. so i don't and i can see that you can see that you can see that. so i think if they're going to strike, be a bit sort of strike, we need be a bit sort of measured, measured about measured, more measured about it, necessary wait a bit. it, either necessary wait a bit. teachers i get but you know teachers i get it but you know we have to outside the box we have to think outside the box and realistic but if you're and be realistic but if you're simply talking wages we simply talking about wages we don't about wages, you know don't talk about wages, you know if a £100 an hour if everybody had a £100 an hour pay if everybody had a £100 an hour pay rise tomorrow , you know, pay rise tomorrow, you know, that would be worthless within about or weeks because about two or three weeks because you you know, the you would be, you know, the classic inflation classic definition inflation know much money know is too much money chasing too it simply too few goods. so it simply wouldn't i think these wouldn't work. i think these strikes about you talked strikes are about and you talked about it's not just about new laws is it's not just about new laws is it's not just about money. it's all about the working conditions. and i'd see that extended people to see that extended to people who necessarily in strong who aren't necessarily in strong because have because we do need to have stronger industrial relations rules country . but the rules in this country. but the problem labour has is problem the labour party has is and the hand we're being told that got to actually get that we've got to actually get involved on the other,

involved in this. on the other, the party seen the labour party cannot be seen to the party of a group to be the party of a group within society. we to be within society. we have to be seen the party of whole seen as the party of the whole of society and i appreciate that the tories, the should be talking the unions. talking much more the unions. but that the labour party but to say that the labour party should involved and should be getting involved and actually you know, actually know maybe, you know, turning picket turning up on the picket actually way to actually isn't the right way to do it because it's, it's actually putting down all those people who aren't on who people who aren't on strike who aren't unions. you talked aren't in unions. you talked about for i about the figures for the acm. i very, very much doubt whether that of their that the entire of their membership. they like the membership. well they like the way to pat way you listened to pat yesterday she was she was yesterday which she was she was talking about that she said that would turnout. i very would be a high turnout. i very much well, worked much doubt. well, i worked in the health for years. the health service for years. i was a branch secretary. my union there. 78, 79, you there. and even in 78, 79, you know, when we on strike, we made absolutely sure that there were theatres on duty. made theatres on duty. we made absolutely oxygen, absolutely sure that the oxygen, the and the meals were the mortuary and the meals were actually for. actually being catered for. i think nurses will that? think nurses will do that? i think of the things that think one of the things that i find most frustrating about find the most frustrating about labour that you had labour is position that you had lisa nandy earlier on the bbc. laura kuenssberg about laura kuenssberg talking about how wouldn't how the strikes wouldn't be happening. were

happening. if labour were in power they don't have any power, but they don't have any plan how they wouldn't be plan as to how they wouldn't be happening when they're happening and even when they're pushed would pushed on. well, how would you pay you pushed on. well, how would you pay you were going to pay for it if you were going to pay pay for it if you were going to pay them more so this pay them more money so this wouldn't be happening? there's no plan as to will no actual plan as to how will happen. think it's happen. so i think it's perfectly for people say what perfectly for people to say what would if they would labour's plan be if they were to stop these were empowered to stop these strikes from going on. not exactly clear and also if exactly clear yet and also if they more money we need they want more money we need growth . so if the economy comes growth. so if the economy comes to halt then it just really to a halt then it just really can compound so we're can compound inflation. so we're in a bit of a bind and i think i'm not sure how we're going to get out of it, but it can't be easy to satisfy all these people with pay rises because it with their pay rises because it will just it will just foster even and their even more inflation and their money will be worthless. i mean, there there's knock back there is there's knock back already. if you already. i don't know if you read the statements today from at college. mean, at queen mary college. i mean, they're going to they're that they're going to 100% wages and 100% of the wages and electricity. that. electricity. and i like that. i thought might. well, thought you might. yeah, well, i. that's it, they said. and that's because you can't. i was thinking that you can thinking that actually you can have right strike, but have the right to strike, but you have right to all you don't have the right to all your if you're going to go

your pay if you're going to go on that's absolutely on strike, that's absolutely your withdraw your right to withdraw your laboun your right to withdraw your labour. the person labour. but then the person employing you has the right to withdraw income that they're withdraw the income that they're paying withdraw the income that they're paying it's down paying you and. then it's down to unions to then try and to the unions to then try and support. really i heard support. and i really i heard that other day. i thought that the other day. i thought about radio today. about that on the radio today. actually that was a good actually that that was a good idea. and way to do it. idea. and it's the way to do it. but just in of the but just in terms of the strikers, know, i've got a strikers, you know, i've got a cousin who was postman who's cousin who was a postman who's been going out on strike and it's never easy decision for it's never an easy decision for someone one of the main someone who is one of the main breadwinners family to go breadwinners in a family to go out they feel out and strike because they feel that more papers and that they need more papers and not enough money in their job to sustain own family and sustain their own family and disagree on issue. disagree with him on that issue. yeah, is never an easy yeah, but it is never an easy decision make go out decision people make to go out on and they are doing on strike and they are doing that because they believe it's the thing for themselves the best thing for themselves and their families. well, the best thing for themselves and know,3ir families. well, the best thing for themselves and know, it'samilies. well, the best thing for themselves and know, it's difficultwell, the best thing for themselves and know, it's difficult because you know, it's difficult because i should be i actually agree they should be paid than in paid more money than in particular but i don't particular nurses. but i don't know. it's difficult to know to how strikes and it how the way go on strikes and it doesn't make any difference. the way to everybody money way to give everybody more money is inflation down. oh, no. is to inflation down. oh, no. i think the in think everybody the pound in your in my pocket is

your pocket in my pocket is more. everybody just those more. well, everybody just those are the stronger need. there are the stronger you need. there is in the economy. if is growth in the economy. and if everybody well, then everybody stands well, then unfortunately not unfortunately it sure that's not that so that that's the problem. so these doing the these people doing this the outcome is not for the good want to even if you get more money we'll on with inflation we'll carry on with inflation so i nothing. well we sold it i mean nothing. well we sold it we've just we've sold it. if you just joined us. welcome this gb news. we're live on tv and on digital right the break as. time right after the break as. time for british debate for the great british debate this following this hour. i'm following a suspected outbreak. suspected serial outbreak. should health screenings migrants be mandatory? according reports, are reports, dozens of migrants are suspected suffering from if suspected of suffering from if or processing centres or moved from processing centres in kent. two different hotels across, uk, home office across, the uk, the home office has backlash after failing has faced backlash after failing to before to test michael's before transferring. so what do you think? seekers be think? should asylum seekers be screened ever gives out screened upon as ever gives out gbnews.uk tweet news. gbnews.uk or tweet at gb news. i've pull up asking you i've got a pull up asking you that very question. your that very question. cast your vote first whether looking ahead to this evening's weather and the uk looking wet in the southeast with some showers across western parts . let's take across western parts. let's take across western parts. let's take a look at the details south western england will see a mix of clear spells and scattered

showers this evening. the showers this evening. the showers will be mainly across devon and cornwall could be locally heavy across the south—east of england will remain cloudy and we can expect some further rain at times especially for kent and sussex wales will see a showery end to sunday with winds also remaining brisk along the west coast, eastern , though, will see some eastern, though, will see some lengthy spells sunday will end on a dry note across midlands with the clearer skies across the north and west. a few mist and fog patches may also form as the evening goes on. north east england will also be largely dry that further west there will be some showers of which may be heavy. it will be breezy along irish sea coast but lighter winds elsewhere . showers will be winds elsewhere. showers will be quite widespread across scotland this evening. but the showers heavy in places . the far heavy in places. the far north—east, though, may avoid most of the showers in state largely dry . northern ireland, largely dry. northern ireland, though, won't be so lucky with scattered showers continuing here throughout the evening when

will be brisk, especially along the and over the hills overnight. we'll see further showers in the west of the uk but drier further east with some mist patches . and that's how the mist patches. and that's how the weather is shaping overnight into tomorrow morning .

good afternoon . fast approaching good afternoon. fast approaching 24 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news where live on tv online . on digital radio. i'm nana akua. . on digital radio. i'm nana akua . now, before the break we akua. now, before the break we were discussing general strikes . let's take a look at what you've been saying as hi, not as usual. the people who work for small businesses who cannot strike will be paying for these extortionate rises. exactly. you see, we're not all in the same boat class has been on a teacher's strike in scotland. what's got do us? what's that got to do with us? snp are in charge of scotland. yeah sturgeon should sort

yeah the sturgeon should sort out mess . yeah the sturgeon should sort out mess. she's yeah the sturgeon should sort out mess . she's got yeah the sturgeon should sort out mess. she's got a out our own mess. she's got a lot do. no no. what i was lot to do. no no. what i was saying , a lot of people going on saying, a lot of people going on strike. it's basically everywhere. i was scotland's everywhere. but i was scotland's part the kingdom as part, the united kingdom as well. be generous. jill well. come on, be generous. jill says. do these workers on strike realise if they get a pay rise? job losses soon follow pay job losses soon follow to pay for extra funds , so that's for the extra funds, so that's counterproductive as working hours increase on workers hours will increase on workers who are left. well, that's exactly what happens, especially with strike as well with the miners strike as well in the last big strike. we'll keep your thoughts coming. but on today on the great on today's go today on the great british debate could have stopped in that unscripted did the in the great british debate. i'm asking following the suspected outbreak should suspected theory outbreak should health screenings for migrants be ? the home office be mandatory? the home office has this after has come under fire this after it's that migrants of it's believed that migrants of contradicting her contracting, contradicting her contracting, contradicting something that's accompanying notes is contradicting the who is writing . so marcus is contracting diphtheria . have been spread

diphtheria. have been spread across numerous towns and cities across numerous towns and cities across the country . this comes across the country. this comes after the death . a 19 year old after the death. a 19 year old man who'd been held the ftx processing centre, the home office, said that the death may have been caused by diphtheria, but the officer hasn't actually been yet. that's not going to occur. been yet. that's not going to occur . a been yet. that's not going to occur. a post—mortem or certainly more concerning is it's reported that the number of cases has risen to now, though officials fear screening arrangements have broken down so migrants now have been and may have been moved the country without any record, whether they have been screened or , whether have been screened or, whether they're receiving treatment for they're receiving treatment for the high risk disease and it's raised questions about the risk posed to the wider community and where blame now, just tell where the blame. now, just tell you a little about diphtheria. it contagious . it's an it is highly contagious. it's an infection affects the and infection that affects the and throat and occasionally the skin . the infection spreads through coughs or sneezes and share items . this coughs or sneezes and share items. this serious illness can fatalif items. this serious illness can fatal if not treated properly, especially children. since 2019, the world health organisation

reported an increase in cases from the infection, most notably in africa , india, indonesia and in africa, india, indonesia and south america . we'll be on that south america. we'll be on that list soon. despite rise. i'm joking. ask me just saying i'm not living is not on this slide just despite the rise in the infects in recent years in the uk, the infections are rare due andifs uk, the infections are rare due and it's at routine vaccinating of babies children and it has been going since 1940. so asking you for the great debate this hour following the suspected diphtheria outbreak , should diphtheria outbreak, should health screenings for migrants be ? well, joined be mandatory? well, i'm joined now editor of the sun, now by former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie. kelvin, thank you so much joining us. you so much forjoining us. you'll here in a minute. you so much forjoining us. you'll here in a minute . oh, you'll be here in a minute. oh, there go. gavin did you see there you go. gavin did you see this as yet another failure for the home office and the associated officials making associated officials in making sure migrants are screened properly ? i do think there's properly? i do think there's a massive error here. i mean, after all, i think we had 4000 of ftx . and then suddenly within of ftx. and then suddenly within a once the political storm broke over ftx that then down to

virtually nobody in there at all. so they all went over the country. now they knew that diphtheria was an issue because bacteria among migrants in europe has been it's been on the up.andin europe has been it's been on the up. and in fact, a cabinet minister said today that that admitted , though one migrant had admitted, though one migrant had died of diphtheria , but also died of diphtheria, but also said that they that the numbers would by the time they started checking everybody on monday . so checking everybody on monday. so it could be number in the sunday times says 70. but i think number that currently is thought aboutis number that currently is thought about is 50. now, this is quite about is 50. now, this is quite a lot of people . and the other a lot of people. and the other issue is , why wouldn't you test issue is, why wouldn't you test them ? after all, we give them them? after all, we give them food and give them other forms of . it's in food and give them other forms of. it's in our interest to find out if these people are coming to our country. and there's something wrong with them. we need to find out. we don't to spread it in our community. and so why on earth they would have then simply dispersed everybody without i mean, the without checking? i mean, the last time saw that in this

last time we saw that in this country was covid. when country was called covid. when sent all the old dears back to old folks . and look how that old folks. and look how that turned out . they were literally turned out. they were literally potentially and with the inquest still really to take place in public. thousands dead. so i look is not covid a totally agree. but the that you didn't put up on your on your on your bullet point that was that 5 to 10. by and large are killed by syria . now if for instance had syria. now if for instance had 70 or 80 and therefore there were eight people dead from diphtheria in that country, i would think there would be a minor health alarm, not a major, but definitely a minor one. and this would be really. i do believe, be laid outdoor now is absolutely shocking. and now how most people watching your show now will be thinking to themselves , that's all we need. themselves, that's all we need. not only do these people come to our country . we don't want them. our country. we don't want them. they come to our country with a disease which can spread and may

not kill any of our people. let's hope it doesn't . and by let's hope it doesn't. and by and large, let's hope it kill any of the migrants, either. but this is another reason why , this is another reason why, honestly, we could honestly do without . i honestly, we could honestly do without. i mean, honestly, we could honestly do without . i mean, we have without. i mean, we have a national health service the way which can't even cope . basically which can't even cope. basically now if you've got the flu, they put their hand out and say, we want another 500 million quid in order to defeat flu . so how order to defeat flu. so how would they deal with a mass diphtheria outbreak ? look, i do diphtheria outbreak? look, i do accept that if you're i think up to six years old, you get the injection in any way so the chances very small. but it's another political failure relation to migration and i honestly cannot understand this government's lack of thought process to say we must get hold of this issue , matter what the of this issue, matter what the pain is. the politics is. we didn't mind when we had covid we said we care what the cost is.

we don't care what we do about it. we're going to have a phenomenal investment to try and stop it. but we seem to approach this migration in exactly the same way. i don't know. frankly, i don't . why? well, i was there i don't. why? well, i was there that also joined by dr. andrew vallance . i mean, he's a former vallance. i mean, he's a former medical director, chief medical officer for the group of people group. so all right. well, let's start it. i mean, what are the symptoms of this infection? is it just like a cold? is it thought of quite mildly. it does look like so many of these things and other things to sore throat fever. but a very nasty call for croup . and you can get call for croup. and you can get a nasty sort of sort of thing growing in back of your throat, which which can sort of block your breathing. so that's very nasty. so that's how it starts. but it can, you know as you've just heard , get much more just heard, get much more serious and affect the heart and the kidneys and 5 to 10% of people may die with it. so it can be very serious and to be treated seriously . now, in your

treated seriously. now, in your view, do you compulsory vaccines and treatment to deal with this issue? because because i know my son at the moment, i think the compulsory for everybody here in this country. do you support the nofion this country. do you support the notion that they should be compulsory of we? one of the reasons it's very unlikely is health just said the people in this country citizens of this country be affected by it is because the vast majority are vaccinated . but that eight weeks vaccinated. but that eight weeks 12 weeks and 16 weeks in this country . so the danger is more country. so the danger is more to the immigrant population . so to the immigrant population. so you'd say so there's not really much a risk to us in this country initially. but content caught you end up with something that sort of slightly mutates, becomes vaccine resistant, and then you up having deal with then you up having to deal with then you up having to deal with the thing bit the way the next thing. bit like the way the next thing. bit like the way the of is moved on. the covid sort of is moved on. and so it change once you get most of the interior, it doesn't mutate like viruses do. so it's and we've had it on. we've been on the case for years and years

and years, but just coming back to the point and i think that people who are looking after these immigrant groups and who have contact with them should at least be offered the booster vaccine . and that is being vaccine. and that is being suggested because are they could possibly it up. so that that is the only where i think british people if you like be affected. but studies easily and i do agree with kelvin i think there should be compulsory screening of people coming into this country in this way so that we know what we're dealing with it be recorded and if they are being sent to other centres that people where they arrive at those centres should know what they're dealing with. but but then we have the but then this is the body autonomy total of argument. then that you know, because then you've got all the what happened with covid people saying of body autonomy we should be able to choose whatever we do. do you think that argument hold as? that argument will hold as? well, though, because they've come should come to this country. should that of

that almost be a condition of entry? are heading entry? so then we are heading towards vaccination towards mandatory vaccination territory. was talking territory. well, i was talking about screening, of course, which slightly different which is a slightly different thing. investigate and thing. it's an investigate and i think perfectly reasonable if there's a problem. just as when covid was on many countries were checking before people came into the country that they were negative and i do think is something public health people have the right to do. i think to ensure to know what's going on and what's coming into the country. i think vaccination a more difficult one. we've tried not to be compulsory , but i do not to be compulsory, but i do think if anyone's had contact with or has the symptoms, they be strongly vaccination but also with diphtheria you normally start antibiotics at the same time because that can that can help you off the worst effects of . okay well thank you very of. okay well thank you very much doctor andrew vallance and he's a former ceo of an nhs surgeon . thank you very much,

surgeon. thank you very much, sir. calvin mackenzie as well. now a home spokesperson told us that we work closely with a range of partners within the community, including local authorities and health leads to make that information is make sure that information is shared timely way, that shared in a timely way, that everybody leaving the ftx migrant given access migrant centre is given access to appropriate treatment . the to appropriate treatment. the risk is there to the public is very low due to high of the vaccine in. this country and we will continue . we continue to will continue. we continue to work closely with the nhs and the uk health sector security agency to support the individuals affected and limit the transmission infection . you the transmission infection. you know, with me on the way, this is a gds where live on tv online and on digital radio. after the break, we'll with the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, we afford compulsory asking, can we afford compulsory health migrants? is health screening migrants? it is a on panel former a thoughts on my panel former labour steven pound and labour mp steven pound and political commentator albie amankona . good. then at 5:00, amankona. good. then at 5:00, it's outside . i'm amankona. good. then at 5:00, it's outside. i'm a amankona. good. then at 5:00, it's outside . i'm a celebrity it's outside. i'm a celebrity guest is a football legend. he played to southampton his entire professional career in the nineties . i professional career in the nineties. i was paid to play in

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contracting diphtheria. it was sent to numerous towns and cities , country. comes cities, the country. that comes after death of a 19 year old after the death of a 19 year old man who was being held in ftx processing centre. now, the home office that it could have office said that it could have been by diphtheria. but been caused by diphtheria. but the jury is out because they have post mortem is have not post mortem and it is reported there are now 70 reported the. there are now 70 cases officials cases and officials fear screening have screening arrangements have broken down. migrants also broken down. migrants have also been across country been moved across country without any record of whether they've screened not. they've been screened or not. whether they've been receiving treatment risk, the treatment for the high risk, the highly disease it's highly contagious disease it's raised questions , the risk it raised questions, the risk it could pose the wider community and where the blame lies. so i'm asking you, should the health system screenings for migrants be ? let's see what my panel make be? let's see what my panel make that. i'm joined by former labour mp pound and also political commentator albie amankona. well, alba , going to amankona. well, alba, going to come to you first. do you come to you first. what do you think? that mandatory think? i think that mandatory screenings should be for migrants. i it's first of all, really made me pause for thought that we're talking about people dying, teenagers , 19 year old

dying, teenagers, 19 year old dying, teenagers, 19 year old dying from diphtheria in the united kingdom in 2022. that's a disgrace . the fact that 70, 70 disgrace. the fact that 70, 70 people have diphtheria as a result of being in this month's income. as kelvin was saying, it could be higher. well, they might have come in with some of the money. well, that's not point. from france. point. they've come from france. the that people dying in the fact that people dying in europe from diphtheria shocking and to . and shouldn't be happening to. and now we need to do and ultimately now we need to do is solve the problem so we can have a conversation the have a conversation about the migrants the migrants coming across the channel. ones that channel. but the ones that already here we need to be solving that problem. and i think of the ways we think one of the ways that we can that they can treated can do that so they can treated as as possible by as quickly as possible is by having screenings having these health screenings so people be treated so that these people be treated and so that this disease kills 5 to of sufferers, doesn't end to 10% of sufferers, doesn't end up, killing more than up, killing more people than have already do you think have already died. do you think that have mandatory that they should have mandatory vaccinations there when they come? should be come? i think people should be strongly to get strongly encouraged to get a vaccine disease, has vaccine for disease, which has a 5 to 10% mortality rate and is , 5 to 10% mortality rate and is, you know, ripping its way through processes cause that's higher than covid much higher

than i think i think than covid. and i think i think there's a strong possible incentive get i, i incentive for people to get i, i think people would just choose to get it, but i would probably draw line mandatory draw the line at mandatory vaccination. impetus vaccination. i think the impetus is there enough another not is there enough another why not as come illegally or as you come here illegally or across some people across the channel some people say not legal, whatever. say it's not legal, whatever. but here way. but you come here this way. i would they would. would would say they would. i would say that would be one of the things i would expect. but what do if you think the do you think if you think the biggest migration biggest ever movement migration in actually in this country and actually going to the stone age or going back to the stone age or whatever in the whatever was in america in the 18705 till whatever was in america in the 1870s till about the about 1870s to till about the about 1910 1920. if you went to america in those days from naples liverpool cork or naples or liverpool or cork or hamburg, went to ellis hamburg, where you went to ellis island, where were island, that's where you were detained you'd detained in ellis until you'd been pneumonia for been tested for pneumonia for influenza, a whole range influenza, for a whole range of illnesses weren't illnesses. and you weren't allowed off island into , you allowed off island into, you know, into new york and same arrangements in in boston until you'd been screened . and the you'd been screened. and the ships used to go back to liverpool to hamburg if you tested negative. now the we have here is that public confidence

is through the floor. now instead of talking about nonsense like rwanda, which is just facile, ludicrous. it'll never work other places . it's never work other places. it's either the israelis did it. they have they've sent 4000 people out there. every single one of them absconded , disappeared and them absconded, disappeared and turned up coming back to israel. look, it ain't going away. what we be doing is when we should be doing is when you're coast you're arriving off the coast of, you should actually of, dover, you should actually be a processing centre . i be taken a processing centre. i know happen. people know what'll happen. people actually the sides . of actually piercing the sides. of their rigid inflatable boats. we take them when they're off take them when they're just off the if they're in british the shore. if they're in british waters. be waters. there has to be a central centre we have to central centre and we have to know they are. have to get know they are. we have to get fingerprints. how about cruise know they are. we have to get fingeamerica? ow about cruise know they are. we have to get fingeamerica? howbout cruise know they are. we have to get fingeamerica? how about'uise know they are. we have to get fingeamerica? how about'uicruise ship america? how about a cruise . well, the scots have taken all those to. must be similar. yeah well, perfectly valid well, that's a perfectly valid way doing i mean, at the way doing it. i mean, at the moment in, the clyde, there are two cruise ships being with about 1200 people in which about 1200 people in that which paid the scottish paid for by the scottish government . but look, the idea government. but look, the idea that dispersing people the country expecting them country and then expecting them to stay there in the keep their heads down when , it's so utterly heads down when, it's so utterly wrong. we should be able to them

at the first base take the fingerprints, issue them with some of identity card, do fingerprints, issue them with sonwhole of identity card, do fingerprints, issue them with sonwhole screening, card, do fingerprints, issue them with sonwhole screening, andi, do fingerprints, issue them with sonwhole screening, and then do the whole screening, and then do the whole screening, and then do the that the home the one thing that the home office utterly incapable of office is utterly incapable of doing actually acting doing so far is actually acting response, accurately and response, simply accurately and with because home with speed, because the home office sclerotic , office is the most sclerotic, out of control. completely unfit for purpose. government organisation. i with in my 22 years as an mp . then why has it years as an mp. then why has it taken so long for the home office ever to actually have some proper reform in the home office ? you know, whether or not office? you know, whether or not it's been a government argument or a government that's in power . i am struggling to think of good news story about the home office . well, i've ever heard in office. well, i've ever heard in my working home, that's good for them . it's about a problem. them. it's about a problem. they, you know decades. obviously absolutely right. there's a culture in the home i was a very good friend when trying to make policy. he was the home office minister. and he and into parliament at and i came into parliament at the to the home the same time, went to the home office. was in a different office. i was in a different department. said, there department. and he said, there is this culture within the home

office of absolute obstructionism. johnson obstructionism. alan johnson he was the home was home office, the home secretary said he could hardly sleep because of every sleep at night because of every second hour somebody, second of every hour somebody, the was doing the home office was doing something bring the something which could bring the government got government down. john reid got bounced the home office bounced out of the home office because he was too tough on it. there's you we do there's you know, we really do need do why can't we at an need to do why can't we at an issue this the national issue like this the national health one thing but health service is one thing but on immigration we not please have national consensus and have a national consensus and stop boys and stop playing silly boys and politics. funny politics. well, it's funny because actually a because i was actually to a radio station i heard lammy radio station and i heard lammy talking his questions talking and one of his questions was saying is it time to was you saying is it time to sort of sort of sort of get rid of sort of government, as you know. and it's look, i know we it's not enough. look, i know we can't just keep saying home office thinking office and thinking this marvellous. keep marvellous. you know, you keep changing captain of the changing the captain of the ship, they keep doing it. so nothing if they nothing gets done. and if they don't then can don't like them, then they can all constructively together to sort of get that person removed. because people lost the because these people lost the civil servants been civil service servants have been in office for many, in the home office for many, many over numerous many years over numerous different in different governments. but in truth. actually this truth. so i actually think this might issue of might down to the issue of mandatory i know people mandatory because i know people say no, you've probably say oh no, you've probably

autonomy yes. okay autonomy and all that. yes. okay i especially during i understand. especially during covid of that when covid we had a lot of that when it vaccine that is very it comes to vaccine that is very well tested, well tried , well tested, very well tried, it's very well tolerated . and it's very well tolerated. and people in this country pretty much have to do it when we're born. so i to have the born. so i have to have the vaccine. so it mandatory, vaccine. so it almost mandatory, pretty much all that you couldn't really opt of it at couldn't really opt out of it at that point. so perhaps people coming here for things like diphtheria should actually have to vaccinated. they don't to be vaccinated. if they don't want then there's another want to, then there's another opfion want to, then there's another option back to option for them to go back to wherever is they've come. wherever it is they've come. i think there a strong think there is a strong incentive for people to choose to vaccinated themselves if to get vaccinated themselves if they are living in crowded conditions amongst amongst an area . what does a diphtheria area. what does a diphtheria outbreak any person with common sense would choose to get a vaccine? i'm sure if that vaccine? i'm not sure if that needs to be a law which says you must get this vaccine. i think the incentive there and it's the incentive is there and it's strong well, you might strong enough. well, you might say people do, say that, but people might do, you some you know. okay, say that, but people might do, you covid some you know. okay, say that, but people might do, you covid vaccine, u know. okay, say that, but people might do, you covid vaccine, we now. okay, say that, but people might do, you covid vaccine, we didn't kay, the covid vaccine, we didn't know about it. so, you know as much about it. so, you know as much about it. so, you know and understand people know and i understand why people are mean i didn't get are hesitant i mean i didn't get vaccinated without having real

vaccinated without having a real think i going to think about whether i going to do thing and i got lucky it do this thing and i got lucky it didn't affect me in a negative way. it helped me and way. hopefully it helped me and it's going have it's not going to have repercussions. but this repercussions. but with this one, that it's one, we already know that it's relatively i would say relatively safe. i would say that like you go to that just like when you go to say or something, they say garden or something, they that yellow fever. that you have yellow fever. well, the tip well, there's i think the tip there could be, but if we actually absolutely if people want india, you know want to go to india, you know you've got to the whole you've got to have the whole range inoculations range of inoculations beforehand. of beforehand. but look, just of the this got to the optics about this got to cooperate. you know, when cooperate. if you you know, when i to india i cooperate. if you you know, when ito india i had this japanese around and all these malaria and all things like because all these things like because i cooperated me an cooperated with a person me an injection somebody injection suppose somebody had come south sudan come syria from south sudan and they say we're now going to inject this your house. they could easily off violently against. i'm do we really want to a situation where we're to have a situation where we're strapping and shut strapping down and shut them down? they need down? they don't know they need it they don't it sometimes they don't it they go straight as simple as go straight back as simple as that. back where we were the last place they came from was back right. this back france. yeah, right. this says nothing without union views. welcome great views. let's welcome our great british opportunity british voice, your opportunity to show and tell us

to be on the show and tell us what you think about the topic, but discuss this hour, let's head over to bolton. the wanderers were wanderers. wanderers were the wanderers. bolton with our tv bolton a chat with our tv viewers. news voice . jess viewers. gb news voice. jess gill . hello, jess, nice to see gill. hello, jess, nice to see you jess. what do you think about this? ten people coming oven about this? ten people coming over. they've got if there are they obviously didn't know about it then. they spread it here. you know, obviously we thankfully have got a vaccination programme so people probably get but probably wouldn't get it. but what your view on this what what is your view on this particular situation? you know, i this is complete joke. i think this is a complete joke. i think this is a complete joke. i want to know how much this is going british taxpayer. going cost the british taxpayer. the nhs is completely overwhelmed . it is. and they overwhelmed. it is. and they want this next word on want to have this next word on to it. my mum has waiting at least a year and she's in constant pain with knee every time she needs to walk the dog. she's in agony. she she's screaming in agony. she get been paying get help. she's been paying taxes all her life. meanwhile, we let migrants court the queue. you know prioritise their health care with with this conversation about mandatory vaccines. i think that's fair. quite frankly

, the reason why this situation is happening, because we're not preventing them from coming into this country. the reason why this country. the reason why this is happening is because overcrowded. i think, quite frankly . we need to send them frankly. we need to send them back and we need establish our border . i back and we need establish our border. i see. well that's that's the common sense approach. yes and we all 100% agree with you. but the is they're here. they're here. and we have to do something about it. otherwise it could spread to the wider community, those the wider community, to those who vulnerable, who haven't who are vulnerable, who haven't been to say good been vaccinated just to say good to thank you so to talk to you. thank you so much sharing that as much for sharing that story as well. that's kill she's not well. that's just kill she's not great, voice, want great, which is voice, but want to what you've been saying. to see what you've been saying. let's richard says let's see. richard says obviously they should be quarantined for month but quarantined too for a month but i'd they in legally i'd rather they in legally in the first place see that is the first place we see that is where have controls will where we have the controls will come then you see come in legally then you can see what's what aj says they should be sent and sent and hosted in gun with the successful being sent to the mainland. there's few sent back to france . yeah, few sent back to france. yeah, well, why don't we extra. why don't we take fingerprints? have

any idea? what's the point? louise, again, would just please can cope. we've got enough on these we can't even these databases. we can't even catch let alone catch on on criminals, let alone anybody is wayne says not anybody else. is wayne says not that all migrants, by the way. no, no. but there some no, no, no. but there are some in there. there are some very, very people. yes. come very bad people. yes. to come over on earth is over here. so what on earth is wrong with taking it? i'm on the liberal end of spectrum and liberal end of the spectrum and i there's nothing wrong i think there's nothing wrong with taking the with actually taking the fingerprints. wayne says, fingerprints. well, wayne says, of can screen. it's of course we can screen. it's a no brainer to protect the wider taxpayer yeah, taxpayer population. so, yeah, we do. but again, it's a cost. it's a huge ask the british it's a huge to ask the british public. well, a follow public. well, there's a follow up right now up on twitter right now throughout asking, throughout the show asking, should for should health screenings for migrants 93% of you migrants mandatory? 93% of you say yes . 7% of you say it's a say yes. 7% of you say it's a huge. say yes. 7% of you say it's a huge . and i would agree with huge. and i would agree with you. let's just remind you that the home office has moved has moved raise so the public moved to raise so the public about this area and, the outbreak saying the risk of there the public is very low there to the public is very low due to high uptake of the due to the high uptake of the vaccine in this country. and we continue to work closely with the nhs uk health security the nhs and uk health security agency to support individuals

affected and live with the transmission of infection . you transmission of infection. you know, me, i'm not this is know, with me, i'm not this is a is on tv and on digital radio . is on tv and on digital radio. after the break, it's time for world view . donald trump has world view. donald trump has a pre thanksgiving with controversial rapper west. on the far , activist nick pope and the far, activist nick pope and his now this all comes after announcing his presidential bid. i'll be getting latest stateside. but first, have a right back in a moment moment.

good this is gb news live on tv, onune good this is gb news live on tv, online and on digital radio . i'm online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. now it's time for world view . the war rages on nana akua. now it's time for world view. the war rages on in ukraine. heavy snowfall is expected in kyiv with temperatures dropping below day and also night. that has millions of people still live in

and around the ukrainian capital remain with little heat and electricity is very an awful situation. joining me to talk about this and about russia and the conflict is political commentator and russian expert danny armstrong . okay danny so danny armstrong. okay danny so what when the war first kicked off i mean we saw massive outcry support for ukraine. well, is there still quite a bit support now that feels like died down? well, it is a combination without mentioning the world cup, as you've mentioned in some of your monologues, that not a the virtue signalling and the world cup has reached kind of another level. ukraine is no longer at the top of the news cycle. the current thinking is one of armbands and lgb t rights in qatar. what the current thing used to be was was ukraine. the war, of course, is still raging on in ukraine, as you rightly . on in ukraine, as you rightly. there has been massive bombing campaigns by russia that has meant that millions of ukrainians are doing without electricity, doing without water. it means i can't keep in touch a of people

touch with a lot of people outside in ukraine and can't bnng outside in ukraine and can't bring their stories there to places news. this is the places like gb news. this is the sad thing. course they're sad thing. and of course they're being denied escape from the war. a lot of them can't watch the world cup because no electricity. but if they were watching the world cup, they wouldn't any ukrainian flags wouldn't see any ukrainian flags like do. see in the like we do. we did see in the premier league. let me see. premier league. let me just see. lots of footballers come out in support the people who are support of the people who are affected by the conflict in ukraine. now there's been an absence of ukraine news here in the uk and of course in qatar, in russia has been something of a spike ukrainian news or anti ukrainian news, as it were. we've had stories of russian volunteers saying they've they've stumbled across child harvesting facilities that have been by ukrainian soldiers. we've had ukrainians have been spreading symbols of, in we've had ukrainians have been spreading symbols of , in qatar. spreading symbols of, in qatar. now both these stories were taken as huge propaganda, of course, as now there is nothing going on in on the ground operation in ukraine. it kind of

has reached a lull . the has reached a lull. the temperatures set in over that bitterly, bitterly cold. the winter makes it impossible almost to get anything done on the ground. you see a spike in propaganda from the russian side. course, over here, side. but of course, over here, ukraine seems to be chopped liver . i ukraine seems to be chopped liver. i look, i mean, very then at the moment there was a little bit of talk about nuclear weapons that sounds like that stopped as well. is there a fear that that's the way it's going to go or it feels like putin is simply going to cut off the electricity supply and simply allow people to die, freeze mean he's using the weather is way really rather than the nuclear is that talk of nuclear weapons died down. well yeah i mean talk of nuclear weapons makes great headlines. i've always that headlines. i've always said that the nuclear war the threat of nuclear war benefits rather than benefits all sides rather than an war which benefits an actual war which benefits nobody apart . an actual war which benefits nobody apart. if you're russian and believe that a world and you believe that a world without is not that you without russia is not that you want to live in, that ideology is shared . rather, i wouldn't is shared. rather, i wouldn't say widespread, but by a few

very ultra patriotic russians now nuclear is a threat that putin uses a great tool in this war. of course , bombing war. of course, bombing infrastructure and bombing places that supply electricity to ukrainian homes is another. it has been a big of his targeting this infrastructure . i targeting this infrastructure. i expect it to continue as well as we've seen huge bombing all over all over ukraine. so, yes . okay, all over ukraine. so, yes. okay, thank you so much, danny. thanks for that. catch all, guys. danny armstrong is a political writer. let's travel over stateside. just get over to america now because donald trump has a pre—thanksgiving dinner with , pre—thanksgiving dinner with, controversial rapper kanye west and the far right activist nick winters . now, this all comes winters. now, this all comes after he was unbanned from twitter and announced he's running for the house. speak to speak to pulled out of his ties to the politics podcast. all talk to me trump's pre—thanksgiving dinner connie and nick fuentes really interesting combo but. well yes

i mean trump's trumps you this is that he had or he knew kanye was turning up but he didn't know he was bringing the apprentice him but he still know he was gracious and the host them both for dinner but yeah so this meeting this political commentator nick fuentes he's as a gen z white and it's no different than obama being pictured with louis farrakhan in in 2015 or also in 25 or his association with reverend jeremiah wright. association with reverend jeremiah wright . a storm in jeremiah wright. a storm in a teacup. and it's going to affect trump's trump success or otherwise in 2024. what's interesting is that when you he's been reinstated to twitter , he's announced his presidency , he's announced his presidency , it's like that could apply to kanye because kanye was restored to twitter last week and has announced his candidacy for 2024 as well. so and the actually at this dinner offered trump the position of his mate and so we

can look forward to kanye trump ticket but i think it is reported that trump turned him down very but yes so both men both men restore but yes they're trying to make something of this andifs trying to make something of this and it's a different as well you can't be is from everywhere but if it a nicole issue sort of far right then you with people of colour it's sort of slightly turns into a bit of a you know this doesn't really make that much sense so maybe is maybe isn't whatever. what about isn't but whatever. what about his there trump's his chances there trump's chances of because chances of winning because i heard actually he hasn't a good chance of winning people are thinking that you know he's he's a bit toxic in the eyes of even his he's pretty trump supporters . i am going to stay on the trump train for as long as possible until it actually officially derails. and i'll tell you why this is. how won last time. everybody him off and he had no support from the establishment from the political class they'd written him off and

i like those odds because you actually see where his base can they are the strongly on his still they're supporting him the desantis they did an interesting thing this week they're looking to change the law in florida. so desantis , if you are the desantis, if you are the governor of florida currently as the law stands and you stand president and you don't win , you president and you don't win, you have to give an irrevocable letter saying that you will stand down as governor the changing the law . so we are changing the law. so we are basically that desantis is obviously going to run against him but trump has never the support of the establishment. he's only the support of the people. and that's actually growing interesting and in growing and interesting and in one if you can, because got one word if you can, because got like 5 seconds, 40 like literally 5 seconds, 40 over us versus good , bad, ugly, over us versus good, bad, ugly, boring. they want warren buffet nothing i think that's the word we wanted. pulled out was thank you.so we wanted. pulled out was thank you. so that's it host host the politics podcast gets boring thatis politics podcast gets boring that is the word for that that

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the murders of two teenagers in south—east london are linked . south—east london are linked. the 16 year old boys, a key on solanke and charlie portillo were both stabbed to death yesterday afternoon around a mile apart in greenwich. police were granted additional search powers to determine whether the murders related. holding a press conference, the met's south east deputy commander appealed information on saturday evening. that's around 5:10. police were called to reports of two people injured in two locations. the are approx approximately one mile apart . are approx approximately one mile apart. emergency services attended immediately and each location they found 16 year old boy suffering stomach injuries . boy suffering stomach injuries. tragically both boys died . their tragically both boys died. their injuries . the government says injuries. the government says the online bill will be updated next month to criminalise the

encouragement of self—harm. it says the changes have been influenced by the death of molly russell, the 14 year old who ended her in two thousand and seven teen after viewing content unked seven teen after viewing content linked to suicide and self—harm. the new bill would target online material that manipulates the vulnerable making it illegal. alice hendy is the founder of a suicide prevention charity . she suicide prevention charity. she lost her brother to suicide , lost her brother to suicide, says the bill should have come out . the says the bill should have come out. the online bill says the bill should have come out . the online bill itself says the bill should have come out. the online bill itself has taken far long to come out. i mean, we've seen delays as countless revisions . it's seen countless revisions. it's seen revisions now under three prime ministers this is an urgent bill. and the longer we leave it , the more lives. unfortunately are going to be destroyed. and more families out there going to feel like mine. more families out there going to feel like mine . greater feel like mine. greater manchester police say a man whose was found covered in

potentially hazardous substances was sprayed with acid. 38 year old liam smith body was found the street in the kilburn drive area wigan on thursday. he had also been shot the. area is still cordoned off and. residents who are feeling unwell are being urged to contact authorities . a murder authorities. a murder investigation is ongoing . this investigation is ongoing. this is giving . that's all for me for is giving. that's all for me for now. now to another . now. now to another. good afternoon. if you just told me, where on earth have you been? this is gb news were live on tv online and digital radio. i'm nana a queer now coming on the way. we'll be talking about a very, very incredible footballer . it's on the outside. footballer. it's on the outside. we talk highs lows and less than that. what comes next? on the outside of my celebrity, this week is a football legend . now, week is a football legend. now, he played the sun at southampton

entire professional career in the eighties and was a midfielder. i'll give you another play later on. well, actually it's come i'll give it to you now and he's got a really penalty conversion rate. it's 47 out of 48. that's giving you the clue . he was also a regular clue. he was also a regular football pundit . the mystery football pundit. the mystery guest will be live here in about a minute's time for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking should we have a referendum on net. according to the latest yougov poll, 44% of adults support holding a national referendum on the uk net zero carbon policy. with the cost of living crisis in full swing, people are currently choosing between heating and eating. is this really the right time for the country to move net zero four. finally have a very special guest joining that 545 has erika says he's the body language guy the body language expert i love him . he has a very expert i love him. he has a very large youtube following . he is large youtube following. he is known for analysing the doctors sussex's every move . i'll be sussex's every move. i'll be getting his expertise later on

in this hour. stay me email me gb news activities dot uk or you can tweet me at . gb news. so can tweet me at. gb news. so it's just coming up to 6 minutes after 5:00 and it's now time for out. did you guess it? yes. max. letitia he's a football legend and not like him. legend somebody spell it wrong to us . somebody spell it wrong to us. one, he's black. he's been playing his entire professional career on the southampton team. his is almost synonymous with them a creative attacking midfielder known for his ability to score superb goals, especially his fine efforts against newcastle and blackburn . he also had a near—perfect to finish from the 12 yard spot, converting 47 out of 48 penalties, making one of the greatest ever penalty man that won the pfa young player of the year in 1990 and has always been in the forefront of english football culture. he then became

a football pundit, football culture. he then became a football pundit , a football culture. he then became a football pundit, a panellist on the famous soccer show with jeff stelling and co on sky sports . but after nearly 20 sports. but after nearly 20 years, the outspoken football was let go as part of a major shake up at the channel. how could they? he's too good for that now focus, this time on numerous projects . and i'm numerous projects. and i'm delighted to say that he's actually here live in the studio. matt, thank you so much for me. pleasure. forjoining me. my pleasure. really meet. at last i really good to meet. at last i seen much the see you on seen so much the will see you on tv doing all sorts of things but we talk about the we need to talk about the england to talk england match we need to talk about versus america about england versus america portrait it boring. portrait called it boring. i looked at tv twice when. looked up at the tv twice when. it on. i was in a pot it was on. i was in a pot actually. you were there as well? i was, wasn't i was equally bored of that. to say it was not one of the finest performances seen from our national fortunately national team but fortunately the first game was was very good and ourselves in a and we've put ourselves in a very position go through very strong position go through to the knockout stages. yes, i was lucky we lucky. was was lucky we got lucky. six was it in the end. now it six two in the end. now you've played for team most you've played for one team most of your football career. of all your football career. what was why did you stay them.

did they play that well? do did did they play that well? do they like they were the highest praise but money's never really been motivator . praise but money's never really been motivator. in praise but money's never really been motivator . in fact, for been a motivator. in fact, for me my in my football career. me in my in my football career. so i was i was happy to stay where i was happy and so yeah, there were various reasons at different times . there were different times. there were various clubs that tried to buy me the closest i came to leaving to go to spurs, which was the team i supported as a boy. so that was the only real temptation . but now i decided temptation. but now i decided try to stick with southampton felt like that was my, my club my and i don't have a single regret about doing that you pretty well i mean 47 after 48 penalties is a very harrowing thing because obviously you saw the match where the three black players took the penalties they missed to be honest i hadn't even noticed they blacks we didn't talk about what really i took a look what's that back . took a look what's that back. but that is harrowing . take but that is harrowing. take a penalty or did you it quite easy? i actually quite enjoyed it in a in macabre sort of way

really. i the jeopardy of it i enjoyed the pressure of the situation really . i always felt situation really. i always felt like i was quite good at taking them and i felt like i was the favourite in situation i should be score from from 12 yards. so i think the reason one of the reasons why my record i think was so good is because i forward to it and i had a really positive mental towards it. and i think really helped you just kind get rid of all the kind of get get rid of all the negativity in your head before you step up it helps a lot. you step up and it helps a lot. it's more like a psychological, isn't yeah. got to sort isn't it? yeah. you got to sort of me you got to make of outsmart me you got to make them that you're as far as them think that you're as far as going and then you sort of going to go and then you sort of yeah. it is a game of cat mouse. it really is, you know, especially a goalkeeper is kind of record in the of looked at your record in the past similar you past and similar you would normally penalties you normally hit penalties and you kind got to make a decision as to as to whether you change your favourite goal not what would favourite goal or not what would your to those penalty your advice be to those penalty takers lot young takers there's lot of the young players end in that position players end up in that position and go and fight. it's and they go and fight. it's

always difficult knowing the individual player and his mindset. so it's first, i would say the first thing i'll do is just try erase all negative thoughts out of your mind. you're stepping up there if you're in a penalty shootout . it you're in a penalty shootout. it is high pressure situation. is a high pressure situation. there's no doubt about that. but if you can if you can be, going into it with a positive of mind, it certainly helps . those boys it certainly helps. those boys have got a lot of ability, got a belief in your own ability. secondly and trust your technique . good rules of technique. good rules of practise, the big game. how many can in the big one? two can you get in the big one? two or we'll go in focus, or three? we'll go in focus, that sort of thing. yeah. i mean just the different ways a lot of people you know, choose people would, you know, choose your don't change your corner then don't change your corner then don't change your was your mind. i actually was completely the opposite to that your mind. i actually was compl italy the opposite to that your mind. i actually was compl it opene opposite to that your mind. i actually was compl it open mind osite to that your mind. i actually was complit open mind rightto that your mind. i actually was complit open mind right up hat i kept it open mind right up until the last second. so yeah, i was a little bit down, but takes a lot of a lot of courage to do that. now you were on sarcasm 20 years off a saturday, so i, i knew that . saturday, 20 so i, i knew that. saturday, 20 is pretty much what it was. i

think it was i retired. i did my first one in 22 and then was was sacked in 2002. so yeah, almost years and it was a fun time , you years and it was a fun time, you know, it was, it was a great show to be a part of whether we are a lot of fun every, every afternoon. but yeah, if somebody decided that we were perhaps having too much fun and you know, we be can't be that know, we can't be can't be that popular. but i know so popular it was in my head, i was like, don't say sunday. and i said, sorry, sorry , sorry. now you sorry, sorry, sorry. now you played professionally for england well, i had eight caps england. well, i had eight caps for england. yep. yeah, that was something when i look back something that when i look back on my career, i would love to have played more for my and really get that many opportunities and the brief opportunities and the brief opportunities i did get. i probably didn't didn't do myself justice in those opportunities at all really. so a little bit disappointing the country perspective but very proud nonetheless that i did manage to get eight caps do you think england have any chance of victory in this world cup at all? i mean, if you play against

iran, you might say. all? i mean, if you play against iran, you might say . yes. if you iran, you might say. yes. if you put yourself game . yeah. even put yourself game. yeah. even then, i think there are probably better teams us in this tournament. but as we've seen with the big shocks to japan . with the big shocks to japan. yeah japan have beaten germany, saudi , argentina. so there's saudi, argentina. so there's been some big shocks. morocco just today beat belgium . so does just today beat belgium. so does that mean that they're out? out the ones that get properly beaten or do they get a chance? i know they've still got a slight chance of qualifying, but that makes it very tough when you lose a game in the group stages. and your who do stages. and who's your who do you when think i said at you think when i think i said at the brazil or argentina the start brazil or argentina yeah argentina the first yeah given argentina the first result i was kind of a bit shaky but managed to pull it but they managed to pull it round the second game it's round in the second game it's mexico. so i think those two teams me and i would perhaps teams for me and i would perhaps or because think or france because i think killing is one of those killing mbappe is one of those players could win matches on killing mbappe is one of those pla own could win matches on killing mbappe is one of those pla own and could win matches on killing mbappe is one of those pla own and held win matches on killing mbappe is one of those pla own and he could matches on killing mbappe is one of those pla own and he could perhaps; on his own and he could perhaps you. well france france france often good only because i remember when was working at remember when i was working at radio, i to allman and

radio, i went to the allman and i got france and the sweet sweepstake and won i often with my titles the same thing. so she's very excited . perhaps she's very excited. perhaps winning some sweets. yes how old is she? she's 13. 13, winning some sweets. yes how old is she? she's13. 13, i think you can say . 30 years, because i you can say. 30 years, because i don't quote , you're going to don't quote, you're going to win. sweet now you're obviously you're quite outspoken in quite few different things. what are you up to at the moment? so i'm so up in some after dinner so up in doing some after dinner speaking . i do some work on speaking. i do some work on social media, on twitter. i do my own livestreams on there on a monday at 8:00 programme. monday night at 8:00 programme. cool. , i try to cool. the flipside, i try to give a voice to people who have been silenced over the couple of years. tomorrow dr. peter years. so tomorrow dr. peter mccullagh is on my show tomorrow . and i've got to speak to some fascinating people, you know, and i've learnt a lot of stuff from it. it's not just about kobe that sportspeople on there as well and we try and touch on lots different subjects so yeah that's been that's been a whole lot of and really enjoyed my time working with geter and hope

it continues. yeah yeah. when i'd like to get a big yes obviously we've got twitter, we need to really compete with twitter. absolutely of course, i'm i'm now going to be a regular to the dan morton show. yeah it's at 1040, so i'm looking forward to that as well. did my first one last week, that's i watch that's good. good. no, i watch it see you on the whole it so i see you on the whole time. i'm going to get him on. i'm protective so i got i'm very protective so i got lucky.i i'm very protective so i got lucky. i got lucky. views lucky. i got lucky. you views i the world cup and all this virtue signalling do you think it's virtue signalling do you think wsfime virtue signalling do you think it's time it to stop are it's time for it to stop or are you with what drives me you with it. what drives me mad? just people would just let just wish people would just let the footballers get on with playing stop with the playing football. stop with the virtue signalling. my own point of view on it is that if you're going to go to a country i think you should be abiding by the laws in that country , i think if laws in that country, i think if don't want to abide by laws in that country, don't go there. it's as simple as that. and i think , you know, it's very think, you know, it's very difficult for people to try and take the moral high ground with know our countries also done some pretty bad stuff in the

past. and countries evolve at different times. so i think what i would what i would prefer to do is to allow the people in that country to be the ones that are protest still and trying to enact change in that country. and i if you if you're going to go to that country, you just to go. you know, i think if go. well, you know, i think if we if we get people to come to our country, we expect people to abide our laws. why should abide by our laws. so why should why we any different? and why should we any different? and i you about taking i have to ask you about taking the knee, mean as the knee, because i mean as a black person, i think it's a pointless gesture personally. black person, i think it's a point i've gesture personally. black person, i think it's a point i've saidure personally. black person, i think it's a point i've said that ersonally. black person, i think it's a point i've said that ers

and they're the ones standing up so doesn'tferything does well and they're the ones standing up so doesn't itything does well and they're the ones standing up so doesn't it and1g does well and they're the ones standing up so doesn't it and what does well and they're the ones standing up so doesn't it and what do you ell it doesn't it and what do you think people be doing think people should be doing about because fifa got about this because fifa have got power they change this power they could change this one. think people one. why do you think people don't do anything about don't really do anything about it. but fifa have got too much power. my opinion, they power. yeah in my opinion, they literally rules of literally change the rules of the they go into to the country when they go into to host cup there. so host a world cup there. so i think organisation itself needs to be looked at. i it's a pretty corrupt organisation. i think that there's any controversy inside that. i think it's a lot of stuff that's been proven in the past year. i mean the fact that the world cup is qatar i think tells you everything you need to know. i feel i guess , i need to know. i feel i guess, i feel a little bit sorry for the for the for the top man there. infantino because he's a servant. well, he's kind of taken over an organisation that was pretty in a pretty bad place, you know, with sepp blatter's reign there. it was a tough gig . that's not to say tough gig. that's not to say that i agree with him, i thought his speech was bad at a lot of things. i don't think he don't think he helped himself in that

situation. you know, if people did sympathy before that did have sympathy before that i think that that all eroded pretty quickly. yeah well, that was a ridiculous speech then. it it almost comical was like it was almost comical was like comedies like why would you do that? a ricky gervais. that? it was a ricky gervais. but i feel, i feel this as i feel african . i feel as i know, feel african. i feel as i know, you know, you've to you're you know, you've to play you're a rich man. there's no idea of the real world. you're in a very privileged and not much privileged position and not much seems to be happening with fifa. that's put. what do that's very put. what do you think the way then in think is the way forward then in terms football and sport? terms of football and sport? because look it, because when i look at it, i think lot of those players get so money, so so much money, it's so expensive. the kit and the one. what do you think the process be paid bit less than they could paid a bit less than they could start. the money of start. i mean, the money of it, that's whole different debate, that's a whole different debate, you footballers you know, the footballers earning. money i obviously earning. so money i obviously would be very difficult as a footballer to actually around to a club and say, a football club and say, actually, don't me that much. yeah, just me a bit. you yeah, just pay me a bit. you know that that take some know that would that take some doing. think blame doing. i think the blame lies with of football with owners of these football clubs want to i don't

clubs who just want to i don't know, it's just some kind of game where, you know, who's got the biggest ego, who's got the biggest chequebook? going to the biggest ego, who's got the bigand chequebook? going to the biggest ego, who's got the bigand win quebook? going to the biggest ego, who's got the bigand win the book? going to the biggest ego, who's got the bigand win the championsoing to the biggest ego, who's got the bigand win the champions league. go and win the champions league. it takes , i think a it it all takes, i think a little bit about love of sport . little bit about love of sport. when it becomes all about money, it's quite unhealthy. think especially i think to pay players so much it seems , you players so much it seems, you know, because i think you could lose yourself they're lose yourself that and they're very young well. so yeah, very young as well. so yeah, i just that was one of the just this is that was one of the points going to make that points i was going to make that much a young age is much money a young age is incredibly dangerous. you we've seen you know the stuff seen with you know the stuff with greenwood all with mason greenwood and all that that there that kind of stuff that there certainly issues there . i think certainly issues there. i think there might be a case of delaying given all that money to the players they can earn that money but don't give it all at such a young age because i think , you know, there should be a little bit a little bit older and little bit wiser before they start of disposable start having kind of disposable income. yeah well, listen, you're what's that ? you're a little. what's that? oh, that's the vaccine injury brief . so oh, that's the vaccine injury brief. so just trying to shine a little bit of a light on the

people that have been injured, kind of ignored by our government at the moment. and i think our government behaved disgracefully in the way that they've treated people. so just try and it any opportunity i can get . well, it's really good to get. well, it's really good to talk to you. you're back on the show you're back show and when you're back tomorrow 1048. luckily tomorrow night, 1048. luckily i got you because usually if you're going, you're not allowed to the day before. so to be here the day before. so that going kill me. thank that was going to kill me. thank you. pleasure. thank you so you. my pleasure. thank you so much. to to you. that much. good to talk to you. that of is matt le tissier. he's a former footballer. you can one dan so tomorrow night dan wootton. so tomorrow night that's at 9:00 that's coming up it's great british debate this hour i'm asking should we have a referendum on net zero according to latest yougov poll, 44% to the latest yougov poll, 44% of adults support holding a national referendum on uk's net zero carbon policy. but is it right is it the right time? and with the cost, the crisis as well, all of that on the way after this .

it's 22 minutes after 5:00. if you just joined . have you been. you just joined. have you been. where? live on tv , online and on where? live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm urquhart and don't forget you can download the gb news app and you can check all the programmes now it time for our great british debate this hour. i'm asking should we have a referendum on net zero? according to the latest yougov poll commissioned by car 26, 44% of adults supported holding a national referendum on the net zero carbon policy. now, excluding who answered? don't know. ask me. 62% were in favour of a nationwide vote, which is up 4% from last year. and for those who voted in 2009 18 in the election, labour's voters were 66% in favour. liberal democrat supporters, which plenty of them left. well, 60. do they still exist ? and 56% of the exist? and 56% of the conservative voters were in

favour . and with the cost of favour. and with the cost of living crisis in full swing and the government reinstating the ban on fracking, how can we afford to heat our homes off moving towards net zero? so for the budget debate the great budget debate this hour asking. have hour i'm asking. so we have a referendum on net zero. i'm joined now in the studio by director of 26. lois lois. hello thank you very much. good that you've got the same. i have? yeah, i got the memo. thanks that. you're a little bit more now on the makers on slightly more but with big yellow. okay so first of all the poll this referendum did you think is quite a reflective. does this is reflective of what people are actually thinking. well absolutely. for me , absolutely. but even for me, were a few surprises. i mean, we've constantly told young people are massively in favour , people are massively in favour, net zero and actually excluding at the don't know the 18 to 24 year olds has gone from 56% in favour of referendum last year to 78, 78. we don't hear that on the msm, do we? the mainstream , the msm, do we? the mainstream, you think they're all super

themselves to votes and try milk all over fortnum mason but no i mean it's extraordinaire and it's 58% overall last year , 62% it's 58% overall last year, 62% this year. this is definitely addictive. i mean, you and i know the blackadder drive is the main indicator of this kind stuff. and every single time i get a black guy, they're telling me they think it's all a day to vote. nonsense people are really, really angry . but really, really angry. but interestingly enough, the capital has gone up london 51% to 61, scotland 4, 72. people annoyed they don't feel been consulted and they to have a say. this is much than brexit. even i think it is. and i think what it is, is because it feels like the science in some ways is dubious. i mean, if you to have a referendum and as we learnt from brexit that didn't give us all the details, but then nobody really knew on this one, again, nobody we nobody really knows. but we could data. i'd like could get some data. i'd like people start talking about people to start talking about this whole carbon issue and i'd like hear both sides the like to hear both sides the

debate of happening debate instead of was happening previously, we to previously, which was we had to follow particular narrative previously, which was we had to foll(couldn'tarticular narrative previously, which was we had to foll(couldn't question 1arrative previously, which was we had to foll(couldn't question it.rative previously, which was we had to foll(couldn't question it. oh,e you couldn't question it. oh, no, couldn't, because then no, you couldn't, because then you which think you did neither, which i think is extremely word to use for is an extremely word to use for lots, lots of reasons. but cop26 thing we've been most excited aboutin thing we've been most excited about in terms of having a referendum , even a debate about referendum, even a debate about having a referendum is having a debate . the bbc have got debate. the bbc have got a policy to never, ever discuss anything do with climate change that isn't that doesn't have the premise completely 100% that it's caused by man and it's and is manmade. well i disgusted. well, like i said, i did used to work for the bbc and my colleagues actual, you know, pretty close to the mouth. you wouldn't really suppose. but i'd have confess friend and have to confess my friend and the premise of it. yeah the actual premise of it. yeah that i'm well aware because work there i know. okay. you there so i know. okay. so you for because couldn't really for because they couldn't really question that you could question premise that you could you though you could talk about it though but i was always very but you know i was always very wary of mentioning the i wasn't fully on board with it. you know. employees really know. well, employees really need sit up and notice need to sit up and take notice of this, especially labour's

support, 53% last year gone up to 66% this year. lib dems you said gone up. tories funding going down. very, very spotty. they've got a little bit greener , i don't know, maybe, you know, some they got some subsidies and it's changed their view. but what we're calling conserved these days is in conservatives ever since . well, as said, ever since. well, but as said, this would be bigger than brexit . i think that 70% once it's beeni . i think that 70% once it's been i the figure would be about 70% who actually want to vote against net zero policies in the referendum once it's actually been debated properly i really really do and this is these figures are much higher brexit ever was. i'm quite and encouraged by this you know all the mp is going to take notice there is only one political party. i think at the moment thatis party. i think at the moment that is onto net zero and that's richard tice is party and you know they don't at this present point in time have any seats in parliament. could it could this help them or will the other party suddenly sit up and take notice? well, no. keir starmer talking his talking about his

decarbonisation . decarbonisation strategy. everything let that be everything else let that be clarified decarbonisation of clarified is decarbonisation of electricity . but you know what electricity. but you know what we'll because i'm going to we'll see because i'm going to have there . a former have a stay there. a former chief , energy uk, chief executive, energy uk, angela knight and, thank you very much for joining angela knight and, thank you very much forjoining me. angela knight and, thank you very much forjoining me . okay, very much forjoining me. okay, so what do you think then? a referendum? do you think it will effectively cover everything that sort tackling that into sort of tackling their climate you think climate change? do you think it's something people could it's something that people could potentially really potentially should really be asking? not surprised that asking? well not surprised that people are asking because in some respects there's been a rather of railroading his policy and that sits without an explanation intrinsically i should say know it doesn't matter what it is i'm not in favour of referendums on more in favour of referendums on more in favour of referendums on more in favour of the parliamentary democracy in which people vote a party based on a number policies. and i do think in recent it has been the case that the majority of policies tend to be ignored and it just comes down to one but nevertheless i'm

not in favour of referendum. i'm the reason that i'm not is because they tend to be a yes no when the issue underneath is much more complex . now on the much more complex. now on the whole question of net zero decarbonising and whatever . you decarbonising and whatever. you know, i'll terribly sorry i missed the name of the lady who's your other speaking. so apologise. i apologise post that. but she's made a number of points with which i agree. firstly that the issues are never debated properly. secondly, that somehow it's become absolutely taboo to question anything respect of carbon . number three, is that carbon. number three, is that all a sudden you get a policy to not on the first about it it starts to cost you money. so i do think there's a lot to be said on this issue as with many others about having what i call a proper and serious debate , a proper and serious debate, because i do think that have to clean up our as a country in a

lot of areas . but how we do it, lot of areas. but how we do it, the speed at which we do it , the the speed at which we do it, the cost of very critical and with the whole decarbonisation programme which is of course on electricity rather than anything else, because we have gas, central heating , other countries central heating, other countries don't and i'm a firm believer of the story that the uk signed up to various carbon targets in europe. it thought it was talking about electricity and not gas . but i do think that not gas. but i do think that with this whole area of reducing carbon it is important that the full un goes too far down the line. we have work out who pays , how much and for what and wind is not only answer but any manner of means. it's not going . oh, sorry, angela , wait right . oh, sorry, angela, wait right there. i'm going to bring lois in as well. and we can have a sort of three way discussions because i wanted to. wanted to say something. yes. yeah i mean, it's very interesting what you were saying, angela. it's nice

that me on quite that you agree with me on quite a of those points, but about a few of those points, but about the cost analysis that hasn't been a cost benefit analysis and, fact i think peter and, i in fact i think peter lilley on this show other lilley on this show the other day when the day revealed that when the climate act , which climate change act, which has been most monumental been one of the most monumental works through works ever gone through parliament, it's true. parliament, was not it's true. in 2008 he went it went to get the information on it and found the information on it and found the had not been broken on the seal had not been broken on the seal had not been broken on the expert explanatory document which gave more details about the act . and in fact, even the act. and in fact, even within that document , no other within that document, no other mp had opened as far as was concerned, there was no cost analysis in the in case. so did he actually say that he's actually said that that that's my understanding from brian katz , actually. and he spoke to him on the telephone she said that we haven't heard him say that. right. okay so peter lily told bnan right. okay so peter lily told brian catt , right. okay so peter lily told brian catt, brian cut right. okay so peter lily told brian catt , brian cut checks brian catt, brian cut checks that i could convey that story on air today so that it is my understanding that that is the case. yeah okay . yep if you any case. yeah okay. yep if you any any thoughts on angela. yes

well, first of all, i repeat it clearly very highly. his experienced politician, he's been around for a long time and held a number. held a number of proper briefs . and i do i am proper briefs. and i do i am aware that peter is in this area . i, i of course cannot on what may or may not have happened in respect the fully looking at a that the information in some respects it wouldn't surprise me and it is also the case that there has been some history and i know whether it is in this area or not but there has been some history of cost benefit analysis simply saying the benefit is the public and therefore of course the justified. so i and understand you know the points had been by peter however we still need to do something about cleaning up our act. we still need to do something about replace seeing old reliable plastic with new

ones. and i personally would go for the small scale nuclear reactors which can be built in a couple of years, cost a couple of billion, but we should also keep our gas on as well. yeah while it's still a big number, it will gain investors that aren't just the government. and furthermore all. they can be on the same place as other parts existing power stations, nuclear or otherwise . and therefore you or otherwise. and therefore you haven't got to move the grid. so there's a whole about giving us secure energy and a low carbon security. and by the way, irrespective of my view on on the carbon debate would still go for the scale new one and most of those opposition yeah i mean nuclear is very much part of the energy mix and i completely agree with you. but you know , agree with you. but you know, electricity is great for lots things and not that for great others. for example, it's very in terms of heating homes , heat

in terms of heating homes, heat pumps, for example, are very inefficient and only work in a new builds and in very big houses add all sorts of different variables that they actually work well in electric cars are completely unaffordable . so i had a bit of cars are completely unaffordable .so i hadabitofa cars are completely unaffordable . so i had a bit of a waste of time as far as i'm concerned for most people. but it is my belief that the electrifying of absolutely everything and having one power source is actually extremely dangerous. and that's why we should have . that's why why we should have. that's why we should be , because we should we should be, because we should have a diversity of different energy streams . but of course, energy streams. but of course, if everything isn't , if if everything isn't, if everything isn't , then things everything isn't, then things can't be remotely turned off. and it's more difficult to control , which i believe is control, which i believe is actually the aim of a lot of these policies on net zero. and angela responds, very briefly to that. yes yes, i think i have and i'm in agreement with you about. and i'm in agreement with you about . gas, central heating . about. gas, central heating. very much so . and i am in

very much so. and i am in agreement that know gas has got agreement that know gas has got a to continue to play for some time. frankly been a lot of talk talked about some of the technologies and you know i come from the engineering industry so you had i'm hoping i'm hoping that i know slightly more what i'm talking about. that was . but i'm talking about. that was. but that's a bit of a risky statement to say on that. first time he pumps have always been something that's available, but they are not efficient. is you right to . say you do need to right to. say you do need to engineer your house from from start around heat pumps than trying to insert all under the way of running out of time because we've got to head to the news which is also the enjoying that have talked about this phrase really big on this phrase really not a big on this discussion. angela knight thank you so much forjoining me. she's chief for energy she's a former chief for energy uk of lowest perry power uk and of the lowest perry power up panah uk and of the lowest perry power up pariah no no any up all right pariah no no any more than good of course but you

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asking , should we have asking, should we have a referendum on net zero? according to the latest poll commissioned by 26, 44% of adults supported holding a national referendum on the uk's net zero carbon policy. after excluding those who answered, don't know, 62% were in favour of a nationwide vote, which is up 4% from last year. and those who voted in 2019, in the election , labour supporters were election, labour supporters were 66% in favour. liberal democrat voters were 60 to 60% and 56% of conservative voters in favour. and with the push for net zero coming and such fiscally terrible times for most of us , terrible times for most of us, can we really afford these policies ? can we afford not to policies? can we afford not to do them ? so for the great do them? so for the great british debate, this hour, i'm asking, should we have a referendum on net zero? let's see what panel make of that. i'm joined now by amankona and joined now by albie amankona and also steven pound. we'll start with you, steven. net zero. are you all it? well, i think we've got to aim for it because i mean, just look what's happening in the world. well, look what

happenedin in the world. well, look what happened in this year. yesterday look happening look what's happening this summer. ever in summer. we had the day ever in the kingdom, july at the united kingdom, july at over 40 degrees celsius, remember? well, we records going back. well, we got records going back. a look, a thousand. but look, something's of something's happening. yeah, of course. thousand course. we have a thousand visitors yeah, lot visitors every day. yeah, a lot of been taking of people have been taking making about the weather, making notes about the weather, the temperatures in europe. you know, easy. a thousand may not be. look the point being that that you just talked that survey, you just talked about, take that a very, very about, i take that a very, very large pinch of salt. it say how many people surveyed? it many people were surveyed? it didn't abouts in the didn't say where abouts in the country. it didn't anything about group. so the about the age group. so the point you had point is, if you had a referendum, you've got you're up against a brick wall because what question be? know, what the question be? you know, are favour of net zero? are you in favour of net zero? yes everyone's say yes. yes everyone's going to say yes. but what makes you but then what? what makes you think all going to say think they're all going to say yes? because every say no. but you peace and you and climate change and all that. that's on the premise. it is exactly precise . that's the thing we precise. that's the thing we don't know. and i'd i'd rather that people were honest started actually talking about the climate, whether it's a natural phenomenon where there's a

cycle. i mean look the dinosaurs were here. they were huge they did massive. great. gave off a lot of methane . those things, lot of methane. those things, you know that he's the bull's eye hit by an asteroid the size of mexico. i mean which is possibly nuclear weapon possibly had a nuclear weapon for i think about for 2000 years. i think about the climate well might the climate may well they might have been hotter it was a lot hotter when the dinosaurs were around . but obviously we're in around. but obviously we're in a completely different now. and that was 65 million years ago. but i think the. yes planet is still here. but on issue of a referendum net zero, i mean, if look at the two referenda that we've had recently in the united kingdom , we had the scottish kingdom, we had the scottish referendum in 2014 and the brexit vote back in 2006, and the proportional both and the alternative was actually all divisive referenda. i would say brexit and the scottish nationalism more so than others, and they've left lasting scars on society still exists today. so my view would be i don't want another divisive referendum , a

another divisive referendum, a referendum in this country , referendum in this country, especially on an issue where actually if we look at a lot of the polling and onward has done some polling, 64% of brits support net zero, but 51% of people who would vote conservative support net zero. you know , this seems to be an you know, this seems to be an issue that a lot of people decided on. in fact, at the last election, 30 million people voted to back net zero supporting parties . well, they supporting parties. well, they didn't. they all net zero. i mean didn't labour's net zero. didn't tories support zero. you didn't really have much choice . didn't really have much choice. we know that it's literally a two party system. so whoever voted for you got net zero. so that was not really if there was someone like you. actually, if labour net zero tory and labour said net zero tory and then you know, then you could argue, but they all supported it. i just imagine at that moment the window behind you shatters farage shatters and nigel farage bursts in and what about me? in and he says, what about me? because making the case he because he making the case he could got the vote. could have got the got the vote. but surely everybody accepts that there is more carbon in the atmosphere now. there's more dioxide. no let's dioxide. that's a no no. let's at one, we also at that stage, one, we also accept we've now getting

accept that we've now getting situations bizarre situations now which are bizarre we've never seen anything like it is there it before. is there a correlation between those two? let's at science. let's look at the science. i don't know whether we have had we through thing we have gone through this thing where you look at the where even if you look at the weather even weather weather maps even the weather maps in now they're maps changed as in now they're fiery red when they're only meant socio law. that wasn't talked about nudged in that unit. there's nothing towards net zero as well. so there is a sort of brain kind of waffling in a sense to when we must go this way. i see what you go. i think we need to question the premise. temperatures to freeze over the temps over in the 18th century. they had to have the frost fair in the 17th century on the tables. we had fair. and, you can you know, these things can happen. but i was saying is happen. but what i was saying is it's happening and it's now happening faster and more you see, more frequent. what you see, that's know the full that's we don't know the full picture. i take the point about the heat and things being the heat and things maybe being a ultimately, know, a but ultimately, you know, transitioning fossil transitioning from dirty fossil fuels nuclear and green fuels to nuclear and green energy can only energy sources can only be a good.i energy sources can only be a good. i support that. so do most people. whether you live people. depends whether you live in where they mine for.

in niger where they mine for. uranium because if you live there, then we're in the ecosystem and all the people there are ill because in those areas i think we need to be very careful. we're saying here because going to be mining because we're going to be mining for so there'll be for lithium. so there'll be young know, young people being you know, they'll slave thing, you they'll be the slave thing, you know , taking on line for oil, know, taking on line for oil, you know, like gas. but we're also mining for things like that as well. so saying that we need to look at full environments to look at the full environments the just the end the impact, not just the end result where there's less carbon, but what is the trail that ends up that way that the trail ends up that way using carbon? think we using more carbon? i think we need look properly. but need to look at it properly. but this nothing without union this is nothing without union views. let's welcome a great voice your opportunity be voice on your opportunity to be and what you really and tell us what you really think about what we're discussing. i've of discussing. i've got four of you. let's start olivia in you. let's start with olivia in surrey. about 30 seconds surrey. you got about 30 seconds because much. because i've talked too much. yeah is a good yeah green energy is a good idea. at what cost ? i looked idea. but at what cost? i looked up much the brexit up how much the brexit referendum cost us . it wa s £129 referendum cost us. it was £129 million. you know, we're in a cost of living crisis and. we need yeah. you know we need to

look after the people who need help our energy costs rather than spend money on our on a referendum. we need to invest more in nhs. we need to invest more in nhs. we need to invest more in nhs. we need to invest more in defence. we need to invest more in food security . invest more in food security. these are the priorities that we have to think of. so no, sir. no referendum . no referendum . oh, referendum. no referendum. oh, lee, what about you? referendum on net zero three. secondly, lee absolutely. a referendum on net zero because it's going to cost i am personally and got a sticker drive in the back of my garden which is going to cost me money to put in an charge car and, not just one of the costs. and plus, i've got a switch over from gas to electric and other costs. and so it's just cost, cost, cost to get to net zero. i'm not prepared to do it, not without science and without discussing exactly and discussing science. exactly and a referendum will at least allow us to that. let's go to us to do that. let's go to chile. 40,000. sorry, julie . chile. 40,000. sorry, julie. caroline and i. yeah, i'm the referendum, to be honest with you . i think referendum, to be honest with you. i think it's going to be yet another divisive tactic from

. the government to make us think about something else while they're doing whatever they're doing corner . for me, i doing in the corner. for me, i agree with what olivia said and i also agree with what lucy , i also agree with what lucy, your your panellist said. angela knight as well. that really we've got to look at the entire diversity of this because it isn't just about reduced the carbon, it's the impact of how thatis carbon, it's the impact of how that is going to be, especially on industry as well. and we need to really consider that. okay. okay. thank you for that. julie, last just around to last just get around to richardson, not the imran richardson. i will to richardson. i will do that to you, there in you, brenda. she's there in northampton. you've about 30 northampton. you've got about 30 seconds know. well seconds on. do you know. well i think thing we've got to think one thing we've got to look about looking at net look about is looking at net zero in 2050, 28 years away now . i know these things don't happen immediately and don't happen immediately and don't happen overnight, but the public as a whole at the moment are worrying about what's going to happen at the end of december. i think we need to we need to strip things back for them. we need to be a bit more we need to explain people what this is

going to because people going to be because people at the want to the moment, they don't want to think about that. they want to think about that. they want to think happening think about what's happening now. now think about what exactly . but i'm worried about exactly. but i'm worried about something that may or may not affect them because party will come in and change the goalposts . yes. because basically we need to about miranda, going to to about miranda, it's going to cost a fortune and that's cost them a fortune and that's going cost. are you going going to cost. are you going to lose is gdp? thank very lose what is in gdp? thank very much, and trafford, olivia much, julie and trafford, olivia from and miranda from lee in bedford and miranda in northamptonshire you in northamptonshire. thank you so great british so much to my great british voices. that's a great thank you. right now, i've got to say, i'm very excited to say i'm joined by a very special so exciting . enrique roxas exciting hassles. enrique roxas is a body language expert. he's the body language guy. he's amassed a huge following and he's analysing people's movements , understand their movements, understand their thoughts and feelings. most notably, he reads the body language of the royal family, especially the duchess of sussex, in his video. yes, this joins now hello body guy so good to see thank you for this

invitation one time we were in our arranging desk from a long time and we're here. thank you for or i mean the opportunity. well, talk about body language and yes i want everybody is talking about holiday time especially we talk about the royal family all all the signals, all the all this silent gestures that say so much without words . so look don't without words. so look don't talk to me about what you see . talk to me about what you see. the because we've got i think got a clip here of the oprah interview with harry and meghan . and a lot of people talk a lot about it. from your perspective, what did analyse from that? no, nobody prepares you. yeah, i remember that clip where because it was the thing that sparked it for me, i think i analysed that like two days after the oprah interview, it was the moment that you see that meghan puts her hand on harry's. harry's you're going to say something, he's going to answer the oprah

question about if meghan have any kind of training as a royal and meghan just cuts him on the spot and that's something that everybody so right there it was unmistakeable and for me it's funny because that interview was it's a complete volley mystery on body language and that exact moment you a lot about this couple dynamics and something that we can learn it's just like 5 seconds or something but even so i can tell a lot about a couple's body language and dynamics and i think that's why people are so invested in following what what is this happen with with the dots do you do come duchess of sussex . well do come duchess of sussex. well what we'll do is we're going to we want you to be a regular so we want you to be a regular so we can get some clips, the latest thing that's happening. all right. what about my body language? and what can you say about are you are

about me? be nice. are you are you. really secure and you. you're really secure and confident we trust you say confident we trust what you say because you have a concept and that tone of voice. you look into camera, you your relax your shoulders are are straight , thin shoulders are are straight, thin and straight. so data projects confidence and that makes us real trust you what you say well thank you has that well well how can people sort of look at body language should they be looking at when somebody sort of lying or you're asking something what what they be looking at, what's the big give away ? well, the i the big give away? well, the i think that the mistake what we make of the star is time to say that well this gesture means this other gesture means another thing and i we don't dedicate that much to listening to active listening because we are constantly thinking oh i'm to wait until this person stops talking so i can answer or. i'm going to say what i want to say about this. and we don't pay attention to the other person.

so we have to be active listening , active, actively listening, active, actively looking at the other person. so we can we'll pick up those signals because if we are drop in here all the time, we can't be in any of those silent clues or what is this as if people want to find you because you're going to be joining us next week for us on saturday, our royal round up segment and we'll do a bigger feature . but if people bigger feature. but if people want to find you, why do they whether look you but whether they look for you but you're going to look for as you're going to look for me as the bottle guy in virtually every social media channel and especially my youtube channel especially on my youtube channel as is. thank so much. i look forward to seeing you on saturday next. take care that is our body language guide. the body quite so or say is body language quite so or say is i clips on i love watching these clips on youtube them right. youtube check them out. right. well let's see. we'll touch upon in just a moment. but time for supplement sunday. me and my panel discussed oh, just somebody emailed and it somebody emailed me and said it should and i you will should be my and i you will continue you should be one of my

panellists . i you to say my panellists. i got you to say my teeth stuck to my tips guy panel and i panel and i may add panel got stories caught in the show crew let's start with saving supplements stars what's your juices about cats going well i don't like cats let's just get that out there straight. right? no i've got no time for cats. one of the things i don't like about cats is what they do to human beings because, you know, some the people who are some some of the people who are who actually barking mad. who i'd actually barking mad. now woman whose now there's this woman whose name i went to as one of the sunday papers who's giving her cats . now she's also in cats a vegan. now she's also in house. she's got some rescue rats . no, no, no. so you've got rats. no, no, no. so you've got this woman who? a cat woman. and the rescue rats. now, if you start to give these rescued rats a vegan diet. well i don't like to think what's likely to happen, but everybody knows that cats carnivorous pretty much anything, as long as it's blood in somewhere. and the idea in it somewhere. and the idea that can turn cats on to a that you can turn cats on to a vegan diet so, so ludicrously vegan diet is so, so ludicrously ridiculous . vegan diet is so, so ludicrously ridiculous. it's sort of ridiculous. it's like sort of the macrobiotic, know, craze the macrobiotic, you know, craze

is the sixties. as as is back in the sixties. so as as i'm concerned, what's caught my eye crazy. catwoman giving eye is crazy. catwoman giving her rescue rats the same diet as the cat. now it's a vegan. it's a no , no, no, no , no, i'm not. a no, no, no, no, no, i'm not. .-m— a no, no, no, no, no, i'm not. i'm a cat person . are you? i am. i'm a cat person. are you? i am. i'm a cat person. are you? i am. i'm i provide them because they're independent. but dogs are so cute. but you've got one that sort about matt hancock making the finding of i'm a celebrity. it is all about my hancock who would have thought that get mounted that i'm a celebrity get mounted what he would what i thought he would end up in final. and i think in the final. yeah and i think one of the things i'm really surprised by is i've actually myself to be maybe a bit maybe a bit turned around by matt hancock resisting resist i debated him four times to put in a win two will to win i'd like to see matt hancock when i think james corden likes an underdog in britain he was treated i think quite badly by some of the celebrities and ultimately you know everyone likes an underdog but think this is a separate but i think this is a separate issue handled the issue from he handled the pandemic see that as something pandemic i see that as something which separate but. which is very much separate but. he's very entertaining

he's been a very entertaining figure to watch, but i'm a celebrity, so we are human and we all make mistakes. sometimes mistakes lives, which mistakes can cost lives, which is great. yes, i did a is not great. yes, i did a reality tv about 15 years ago and was a mistake. what is and that was a mistake. what is it got myself? and what? it i've got myself? and what? which was? was it? is which one was? what was it? is about cambridge what your about cambridge? what was your what called at what was your thing called at the i had go to the sharp end? i had to go to dartmoor prison for 14. i don't have any more. they let me go. let you go. let it in the hand right a my supplement at right now. a my supplement at cambridge just cambridge research didn't just claim transgender claim that jesus was transgender . boomed dictated that . oh, lord boomed dictated that the cross body was that of a transgender person in cambridge . i mean, they still can't even work out whether jesus was this is my body language , is my body language, transgenders. there's something beyond the dean of cambridge beyond me the dean of cambridge university stepped and university stepped in and defended view legitimate defended the view as legitimate . what think jesus as . what do you think jesus as being transgender is valid ? just being transgender is valid? just think he's look, if that is the conclusion that an academic has come up with , it's certainly an come up with, it's certainly an interesting conclusion to. i wonder if he could work out whether jesus was black or

white. you say it's interesting. yeah, i think a shame we yeah, i think it's a shame we don't heretics anymore . no, don't burn heretics anymore. no, he's obviously oh, yes, he's joking. obviously oh, yes, ihave he's joking. obviously oh, yes, i have a joke about it. i listen on show. i've been asking . on show. i've been asking. should health screening for migrants be mandatory? according to our poll, it's gone. it's gone up by more with 94% of you say yes and 6% of you say no. oh, that's huge. thank you to my panel former labour mp and found stephen thank you very much. and also political commentator albie amankona joining me today and a big thank you to you you at home for your company. i'll be back for your company. i'll be back for next saturday. all japanese so forget you can check us out on next is gloria de piero . on next is gloria de piero. looking ahead to evening's weather and the uk is looking wet in the southeast with some across western parts. let's take across western parts. let's take a look at the details. southwestern england will see a mix , clear spells and scattered mix, clear spells and scattered showers this evening. the showers this evening. the showers will be across devon and cornwall . could be locally heavy

cornwall. could be locally heavy . skies across the south—east of england will remain cloudy and we can expect some further rain at times, especially if it. kent in sussex, wales see a showery end to sunday, with winds also remaining brisk along the west coast. eastern areas, though, will see some lengthy spells. sunday however, will end on a dry note across the midlands with the clearest skies across the north and west. a few mist and fog patches may form at the evening goes on. north eastern england will also be largely dry that further west. there will be some showers , some of which may some showers, some of which may be heavy . it will be breezy be heavy. it will be breezy along irish sea , but lighter along irish sea, but lighter winds elsewhere . showers will be winds elsewhere. showers will be quite widespread across scotland this evening with showers heavy in places . the this evening with showers heavy in places. the far north—east, though, may avoid most of the showers and state largely dry. northern ireland, though, won't be so lucky with scattered showers continuing here throughout the evening. when will be brisk, especially along the coast and over the hills overnight. we'll see further in

the west of the uk but drier east with some mist patches forming. and that's how the weather is shaping overnight into tomorrow morning .

good evening at 6:00. i'm tamzin roberts in the gb newsroom, the met police say the murders of two teenagers in south—east london are linked. the 16 year old boy's counselling becky and charlie put out both stabbed to death yesterday afternoon around a mile apart in greenwich . a mile apart in greenwich. police were granted additional search powers to determine whether the murders were related . holding a press conference the met's east deputy commander has

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