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you notice some of the front pages here in the uk today were dominated by the goings on in china what were those goings on. must right up and down country. why well, this whole thing that i would call nonsense actually the zero—covid strasse e.g. are you someone that celebrates such a thing or are you like and think that they are now where and above beyond the point of abusing people's human .7 what abusing people's human? what then should uk government do if anything at all? i want thoughts on that and net zero. we're all familiar with this by now, aren't we? what should we be? should this be a target? we are so obsessive about many people say not. a poll out today says 44% of the uk want a referendum on whether or not we still be going headlong into net zero. quite frankly, i'm surprised it's as low as that. where do you sit on that? and private schools, that whole thing of

envy. schools, that whole thing of envy . that's what i call those envy. that's what i call those people that try and remove things like the charitable status, the latest one to focus on that today is sir keir starmer . he on that today is sir keir starmer. he wants to stop them having what he calls the verity loophole , take that money and loophole, take that money and put it into the state school sector instead . is he right or sector instead. is he right or are you like me? i'm just saying, pack it in with your politics of envy me your thoughts on all of that. but now let's get up to speed with tonight's headlines. thank you, michelle this is the latest from the gb newsroom more than 50 conservative mps have signed a letter urging the prime minister to emergency legislation to ease the migrant crisis . they want the migrant crisis. they want modern slavery laws changed so that people are returned safe countries faster. also say those who claim they've trafficked should be sent back without objection. signatories including sir graham brady and. esther

mcvey. believe it would people from crossing the. gb news understand is almost 450 people have been intercepted on nine small boats so far today . the small boats so far today. the letter's author mp davis says the change mean migrants could be sent home within days of arriving . so if we've got the arriving. so if we've got the gumption to do it with all new arrivals from a safe country , arrivals from a safe country, don't mean from syria or afghanis somewhere, they might have a claim, but a safe country. then then, frankly , it country. then then, frankly, it should not. almost all of the 12,000 the year that we're looking at the most, the governments considering asking the armed forces stand in for hospital staff during possible strikes this winter . health strikes this winter. health officials are drawing contingencies to cover frontline as ambulance drivers . paramedics as ambulance drivers. paramedics consider joining in their upcoming walkouts . the health upcoming walkouts. the health secretary, steve barclay says they're concerned about the impact the action could have on

patients . but no formal request patients. but no formal request has been by the department of health to the military. but of course we will look as part of our normal contingency plans at a range of options. the priority for is to continue the dialogue with the trade unions, with the rcn . i've been extremely clear rcn. i've been extremely clear that my door is open. they have raised a range of issues not pay but also about conditions, patient safety . and so i'm very patient safety. and so i'm very happy to continue that dialogue . the foreign secretary is backing the right to peaceful protest in china over covid restrictions . protesters turned restrictions. protesters turned out again this evening despite a strong police presence. it follows demonstrations over the weekend which started after ten people were killed . a fire at an people were killed. a fire at an apartment block. protesters blame karen measures saying they prevented the from escaping. cleverly says the chinese government take notice of these rare protests it is rare the

chinese people protest publicly like this. they know the risks . like this. they know the risks. in fact, some of the protesters are saying know the risks. but it's something feel incredibly strongly about. and as i say, because they are a rarity i think that both international community should take notice. but more importantly the chinese government itself should listen to what the chinese people saying to them . national grid saying to them. national grid has decided not to introduce its energy saving scheme tomorrow paying energy saving scheme tomorrow paying households if they can't power usage. the move would have been the first ever live run of the operator's demand flexibility service designed to ease pressure on the energy grid and avoid blackouts . the and avoid blackouts. the government's launching and avoid blackouts. the government's launchin g £1 government's launching £1 billion scheme to make middle homes more energy efficient . the homes more energy efficient. the three year scheme will see hundreds thousands of homes receive lost and cavity wall insulation from the spring. households that currently get support to upgrade homes will be

prioritised . whilst a fifth of prioritised. whilst a fifth of the funding will be set aside for the vulnerable. business secretary shapps told us the measures help households reduce their consumption. billion which is in addition to a lot more money that's being provided, is to allow anyone in any kind of housing be private rent. it could be their own home to be socialising, so to improve the property in order to make sure that it meets those standards and that will save quite a lot of money . shadow business of money. shadow business secretary jonathan reynolds told gb news labour wants to insulate 19 million homes as soon as possible . it's about ten years possible. it's about ten years too late. i mean, this should have been quick, early win for the government reducing people's fuel right thing fuel bills and doing right thing by environment mean it's by the environment mean it's a win win. why has it taken so long? this government have neither the ambition, the direction, course a welcome direction, of course a welcome when they come a little bit onto our a windfall tax our whether it's a windfall tax or greater energy efficiency ambition. but they've got

nowhere near the comprehensive programme to this programme they need to get this onto path and the onto the right path and the prime minister has switched on the christmas lights at downing street this evening as part of an annual tradition. a warning, the following flashing images . the following flashing images. two, one . and oh. well, earlier two, one. and oh. well, earlier today, the first lady of ukraine hung ornaments on the tree with the prime minister's wife, eleanor zelenskyy, is expected to address mp from perth tomorrow as part of her visit . tomorrow as part of her visit. tv, online and tv plus radio. this is gb news now as iveta dewbs& co . dewbs& co. thanks for that . dewbs& co. thanks for that. well, i'm with you right through till 7:00 this evening. keeping me company here in the studio. my me company here in the studio.

my panel we've got the writer and the broadcaster, matthew stadlen and toby young, who's the director of the free speech union and guys know the drill. don't you want, union and guys know the drill. don't you want , dewbs& union and guys know the drill. don't you want, dewbs& co? it's not just about us here and our souls. it's about you at home as well. what's on your tonight? get in touch with me. gb views at gbnews.uk is the email or you can tweet me at gb news. lots of you've been getting touch already. i was asking you about the whole china thing. many of you. lisa is just one example saying that we should stick bafic saying that we should stick basic here focus our attention goes on here in this country not keep poking our nose into . the keep poking our nose into. the business of others. that's is a sentiment that is echoed from many of you on net zero thing. lots of you are referendum referendum . referendum was one referendum. referendum was one of the emails i've just got caught that exactly peter you said net zero should be something that's listed in the manifesto those of all political parties in the next election and that then would indeed be the next referendum . it was, by the

next referendum. it was, by the way , the in the manifestos of way, the in the manifestos of many parties back in 2019. i suspect though many people, probably myself included, if i'm honest as well, we don't raise absolutely everything, do we? so do you think many people didn't realise just how much net zero stuff was contained within those manifestos? i'm you then. so you reckon do need a referendum reckon we do need a referendum on whether or not should be gung ho to net or not? susan says, michelle, welcome back. we've missed i've missed you too, susan. missed i've missed you too, susan . thank you very much. have susan. thank you very much. have indeed been on holiday. i've got myself right into the festive spirit. when i was gone . my spirit. when i was gone. my christmas decorations are fully off piles are your decorations ? off piles are your decorations? no, quite. yeah. my wife had her way that had been up in september. oh love your wife. i also toby. oh, yeah not yet. these the important these are the important questions. the heart of. questions. the get the heart of. ladies gentlemen, your ladies and gentlemen, your christmas decorations. yet if not, you. what you not, what you. what are you waiting? a question. waiting? i've got a question. which might want ask the which might want to ask the viewers, is given that viewers, which is given that we're the throes of an energy we're in the throes of an energy and the price of

and given the price of electricity, are we going be as lavish this year about putting up lights, up decorations outside of sony? you should mention that because i had this very conversation mom very conversation with my mom there houses i can there are certain houses i can think of in certain places. i won't mention and they lit up like blackpool illuminations business. and at the time i think well where do you get your money from for all those decorations bought. that is the key question. let's ask it to viewers. one that's viewers. obviously, one that's your and does reflect your from god and does reflect or represents something like a blackpool illuminations and are you doing this year have you got one of those houses near you and are they doing it this year or not? of the houses, by the not? some of the houses, by the way, i think absolutely awful. they like you've got a they look like you've got a christmas catalogue it christmas catalogue shake in it all with a bit of glue and stucco and for stucco and with no for consideration it is that consideration as to it is that you're trying create. me you're trying to create. send me some pictures, the way, of some pictures, by the way, of your christmas decorations if your christmas decorations if you want technicolour way you want technicolour the way about start with the about when to start with the decorations is long for the decorations is how long for the tree . so if you start too early, tree. so if you start too early, the tree and then you have to get another tree and do it all

over again , which some people over again, which some people might not all. you might enjoy, but not all. you can get an artificial one can just get an artificial one to still it year after year to still keep it year after year after year . to still keep it year after year after year. my mum got one of those narrow ones . small, those narrow ones. small, narrow, tree and we narrow, artificial tree and we all laughed and she's never put it off again. anyway, i massively digress and most of us we about christmas we talk about christmas decorations, i suppose we talking what's going on in talking about what's going on in china. seen of it? china. have you seen lots of it? if on social media will if you're on social media will have content you read have seen much content you read in the newspapers today in the uk seen it here as uk will have seen it here as well. what talking all the well. what am i talking all the mass protest place at the mass protest taking place at the moment , mass protest taking place at the moment, quite mass protest taking place at the moment , quite unexpected many moment, quite unexpected many people will say i'm showing you on the screen now some of the front pages of the uk newspapers this morning. front pages of the uk newspapers this morning . many of these t!1i5 illiji'fliflek m3111? iii ti1555 ' " ' ' zero—covthink , ti1i51115111i11g|1 m3111? 51’ ti1555 ' " ' ' is zero—covthink , ti1i51115111i11g|1 m3111? 51’ ti1555 ' " ' ' is like zero—covthink, it is i think like trying to catch wind in your hands it is i think like trying to catch il'sid in your hands fd— ' ~ ' it is i think like trying to catch it's not your hands fd— ' ~ ' 7— if 7 you 71k, in 77 1 youithink, in féét, where do you think, in fact, actually me start let me just

rewind the uk should we i can tell i've been on holiday when i'm holiday stay news doing i'm in holiday stay news doing whatever sorry to my whatever i want sorry to my director the uk . i personally director the uk. i personally think there's so many abuses now of human rights going on in china. should we be getting involved in interfering or not? it was a really good question andifs it was a really good question and it's not just because of what's happening in china. our minds being is minds are being focussed is because of happening in because of what's happening in qatar. fact the world qatar. the fact that the world is there. and i made is being held there. and i made comments other about the comments the other day about the saudi king. i think he was suggesting would a days suggesting would be a days national because saudi arabia beat argentina . i said, how how beat argentina. i said, how how about stepping aside and, facilitating ? and i facilitating democracy? and i then got a big backlash, perhaps unsurprised a of saudis unsurprised from a lot of saudis on twitter saying stick your nose is out our and then nose is out of our and then posting examples of our own abuses of rights. and as they would it, the of iraq would say it, the of iraq because we invaded . right so because we invaded. right so it's a real minefield on china. china calls itself the people's repubuc china calls itself the people's republic of china. it's no such thing. it's an autocracy. i'd call it a dictatorship . xi call it a dictatorship. xi jinping is a very bad man.

call it a dictatorship. xi jinping is a very bad man . and jinping is a very bad man. and what they are doing to people , what they are doing to people, china habitually are very things. and as someone who supported because i thought at the time what the science supports it's someone who supported lockdowns here in this country for me what they're doing in china is going way that it's believed some people died in a fire in one of those provinces in china because they were locked into homes from the outside and is absolutely disgusting. so should as a country get involved . we heard country get involved. we heard our foreign secretary, james cleverly there say that the world should take notice he was quite measured . his language, quite measured. his language, the difficulty us is that a lecturing people on covid responses is tricky of our own covid responses , but b we have. covid responses, but b we have. i just it up £90 billion of trade basically every year including imports and with china. so if we're going to do business with them should we be lecturing them ? well, indeed, lecturing them? well, indeed, thatis lecturing them? well, indeed, that is the million dollar question. should way. you tell me erm should we be lecturing involving ourselves in their

business, not would you stand on it. think it's an it. well i think it's an interesting question the interesting question and the conflict between to how far conflict is between to how far do we defend urge other countries to defend universal human rights and how far do we respect other countries right . respect other countries right. national self—determination . and national self—determination. and i think in this case, clearly the universal human rights of the universal human rights of the people being in prison, in their homes in china in pursuit of a policy. we know doesn't work. clearly china's right to national self—determination. and james cleverly be speaking out and should be highlight these human rights abuses in china along with all the other human rights abuses in china. but i think the really interesting here is zero—covid, which is the policy that president xi has been relentlessly in china in a way which we weren't able to hean way which we weren't able to hear, but some members of our government want to like jeremy hunt initiative to answer questions about that. i think given we seen how appalling people treated in pursuit of people are treated in pursuit of this fairy land goal of

zero—covid but it's clear that it doesn't work. and if zero—covid locking people in their homes in the most way, boarding people up in homes, having policemen deliver meagre suppues having policemen deliver meagre supplies to them until they become free of the even if that just suspected of having it without having tested positive. if that doesn't work, it sends a pretty clear message to rest pretty clear message to the rest of world ordinary of the world that ordinary lockdown don't work on lockdown policies don't work on the zero curve. it doesn't work. what less draconian what hope to less draconian lockdown have it working. so i think we should tell your policy is not working you should abandon if did work, it abandon it. if it did work, it wouldn't the largest wouldn't have the largest outbreak history right outbreak in its history right now. but those 40,000 people tested in the. very tested positive in the. very interesting what you say, toby, because i'm absolutely against literally locking people in their homes. and was obviously their homes. and i was obviously very unusual on that. it's a really question, really interesting question, because says that because toby says, that lockdowns, we now know don't work well . lockdowns, we now know don't work well. i'm lockdowns, we now know don't work well . i'm not advocating work well. i'm not advocating the sorts of lockdown that's going in china where you are going on in china where you are literally homes literally locked into your homes and have not left their and people have not left their homes 100 days. it's homes for 100 days. it's disgusting is disgusting right. and it is emblems . disgusting right. and it is emblems. think of the sorts of

regime that i've already china as do we know that as being do we know that lockdowns in this country didn't work at all? we know that they didn't completely suppress the virus. most of virus. absolutely. most of us have one point or another have got at one point or another i it so forth. but do we i had it so forth. but do we know that they didn't help a little bit when? the house surface was have been on surface was could have been on its i'm sure we know its knees. i'm not sure we know that. should we that? that. and should we know that? should inside? but we should we look inside? but we don't necessarily need public don't necessarily need a public inquiry. huge inquiry. that could be a huge expense. we do should. we should we investigate it. so next time there's pandemic we all in the there's a pandemic we all in the best way all of us. best possible way for all of us. well lots people are investigating and have been investigating it and have been plenty of research done by scientists. economy ists and others suggesting that the policy is largely and we have the evidence that know sweden which didn't lockdown at in 2020 now has a lower number of excess different countries did lockdown different countries did lockdown different circum sort of florida true in nicaragua oranges in times that but i think i think i the failure of the zero covid

policy to prevent infection in china is yet more evidence that the lockdown policy is largely ineffective . if it's ineffective ineffective. if it's ineffective when imposed , that extremely . when imposed, that extremely. how can we think when it's effective it's if it's imposed in a less strict less china except and this i think is an important point because i'm absolutely i'm not advocating what they doing to people in china. absolutely not is it working , michel? is it working? working, michel? is it working? they've far fewer deaths, have they not than in lots of other countries. are you me? i mean, i think their official death registers is about 5000 deaths. so say we should believe that if it's true, if it is , michel, if it's true, if it is, michel, if it's true, if it is, michel, if it is true, then you could argue at least, at least intellectually or philosophically on level, it is working. the reason it doesn't, to my mind, is because you can't live life like that. you can't simply look cities down for hundreds days because it's hundreds of days because it's barbaric. people have barbaric. i think people have lost marbles comes lost their marbles when it comes to whole covid and they've to this whole covid and they've become so silo focussed in on how do you prevent the spread covid? and in doing so they have

completely pretty much anything , all of the unintended consequences. i accept that if you want to lock people down most of time might think you're doing the right thing. i might dispute it, but you probably do it good intentions. but if it with good intentions. but if you everything goes on you look at everything goes on and the damage the and around the damage the impacts that you are doing on people's health, ability people's health, their ability to go and provide for their family , their education, their family, their education, their physical . it's absurd that physical. it's absurd that people in just on preventing covid. it's not true. but michel, isn't it important and i know we're rehashing of the old arguments, and that's why i say should be we should be properly investigate this. and i think toby agrees that, it toby agrees with me on that, it wasn't simply about avoiding people because people getting covid because covid was seen as some particularly disease in particularly awful disease in this the policy to my this country. the policy to my mind, was very clear. it was about ensuring that our health service did not collapse under weight of covid infection, did we get that right. i don't know, because i'm not researching it, but we need find the answer. but we need to find the answer. it is collapsing now right.

predicted in sweden. covid lockdown zealots predicted that they didn't impose a lockdown in 2020. the swedish health service be overwhelmed. similarly, in florida when ron desantis asked the governor lifted restrictions in summer of 2020, in the summer of 2020, widespread predictions amongst lockdown enthusiasts that soon the florida health service would be completely overwhelmed. it wasn't overwhelmed sweden. it wasn't overwhelmed sweden. it wasn't overwhelmed sweden. it wasn't overwhelmed in florida . wasn't overwhelmed in florida. so i think that argument that the nhs was at risk of being overwhelmed we didn't overwhelmed if. we didn't lockdown in march 2020 and although britain, as i said earlier, different from earlier, is different from sweden it is different sweden, i'm sure it is different in of ways to florida. that in lots of ways to florida. that on face of it is suggests on the face of it is suggests that there is evidence that maybe necessary and maybe are not necessary and that's someone who called that's why someone who called for lockdowns along lot for lockdowns along with a lot of other people who felt that were along with science were going along with science and made on and remember, was being made on the was actually a the hoof and was actually a national emergency . that's why national emergency. that's why i am honest enough to hands up am honest enough to my hands up and say i, don't know still whether or not, they were the right policy . we need make right policy. we need to make the grade with things like i

don't abuse anyone . i argue with don't abuse anyone. i argue with them and i hope i argue with politely if they try and bully me in parliament, i will fight back robustly . but i would not back robustly. but i would not say this is the thing i this is one of the things that really annoys that. when i was in the thick of this whole covid thing and still now, by the and it still goes on now, by the way anyone dared have way anyone who dared to have a view that we didn't need to be lockdown, that every single person land need person in the land need to be injected more times and. i don't know what would these vaccines if have different view if you to have a different view the that you received the abuse that you received people saying that you people were saying that you shouldn't go to shouldn't be allowed to go to the in this country if the hospitals in this country if you were ill, you was completely dead, i think it's dead, completely. i think it's a ever suggested that and you're right there was to some extent a herd mentality and that was given power because the science seemed at the time to suggest that was the right direction to take. actually. i'm take. but actually. and i'm again to hold my hands again i'm going to hold my hands up. think the fact that up. i think the fact that certain people on gb news and i'm not a fan of conspiracy theories at all but people on gb

news question the majority view . i don't think that is unhealthy. i think to an extent it is healthy because things because ideas need to be challenged. it's not healthy to it's health. it's healthy, but healthy. full stop. okay, michelle, it's healthy . you get michelle, it's healthy. you get to the point where people's people start arguing we are people start arguing that we are being injected vaccines because people start arguing that we are beirstatezcted vaccines because people start arguing that we are beirstate wants'accines because people start arguing that we are beirstate wants to :ines because people start arguing that we are beirstate wants to control cause the state wants to control that's on them. do you not think all of this to you? because what am i fair in all of this for am i fair is in all of this for am i fair is in all of this for a very long time it wasn't just about what and i think this in china, by the way, which is why i'm talking about it wasn't i'm talking about now, it wasn't about follow the science i'm talking about now, it wasn't abordo follow the science i'm talking about now, it wasn't abordo all follow the science i'm talking about now, it wasn't abordo all things. the science i'm talking about now, it wasn't abordo all things. someience i'm talking about now, it wasn't abordo all things. some of ce i'm talking about now, it wasn't abordo all things. some of these and do all things. some of these things absurd. the absurd things are absurd. the absurd and i mean you can go to pub i remember being shot without in a pub nerve article drinking article drinking. so what are you even talking about and i have the audacity to stand up with a drink in my hand i could sit down with a drink my hand but i couldn't stand up. no, that's and i think that's cool drinking and i think you trying to suppress covid you are trying to suppress covid you're trying me to the nth you're trying to me to the nth degree my life and i don't like

i didn't it don't it now i didn't like it i don't it now and i think you're that of and i think you're right that of the reasons those absurd policies in place for policies remained in place for so long is because was a kind of soft suppression debate. if you dissented about all the covid restrictions that were in place, you were accused of being a granny killer policing profits before people and not being compassionate, not caring enough. and that became very inhibiting for a lot of people. a lot of people who did, you know, have doubts about the wisdom of those restrictions felt very isolated. that's one of reasons set up what of the reasons i set up what lockdown and is now the lockdown sceptics and is now the daily sceptic to provide a kind of safe space a place where of a safe space a place where people could those doubts people could air those doubts have proper grown up discussions about wisdom of the policy about the wisdom of the policy response pandemic without response to the pandemic without fear of being cancelled or shamed in some way and believe me it's still going on today. i got someone contacted me who is under investigation from regulator of his profession because published a piece challenging wisdom of the lockdown policy. so it's not as

if that that soft suppression is oven if that that soft suppression is over. people are still at risk losing their jobs, undergoing to practise hearings and the like , practise hearings and the like, just for challenging the wisdom , the lockdown policy. even today, when i think know that it's reasonable to express resignation michel just come back on and i broadly agree with you on that one is and this is an example of by the way why it's so healthy to have these sorts of in real life and on television and rather than just on twitter i'm sure if on twitter because i'm sure if toby i just interacted on toby and i just interacted on the whole time we probably disagree as most. but michel, you that they whoever you suggested that they whoever they are presumably the government the conservative government and the conservative government were trying to control point where control us to the point where they weren't us stand up control us to the point where th

some of the things that he's supposed said behind the supposed to have said behind the scenes, idea that he wanted scenes, the idea that he wanted to lock us down, that he wanted michelle not able michelle dewberry not to be able to stand drink half pint to to stand and drink half pint to me the sky. he hated me is pie in the sky. he hated those restrictions. well you take umbrage at me saying that they to control us . i'll they want to control us. i'll double on that. i don't double down on that. i don't just. was the government. just. it was the government. i think so were complicit think so people were complicit and. i think a lot of the uk media, i certainly think a lot in the government. you mentioned johnson as sole individual . he johnson as a sole individual. he was the prime minister. was he was the prime minister. well mentioned well yeah. and you mentioned him. you remember at the him. and if you remember at the start of a lot of this, he was very relaxed about everything he used to. so, you know, wash your hands share counsel the hands he would share counsel the rest but many people rest of it. but then many people in him got him they in and around him got him they got and very effective got to him and very effective because were not able to because people were not able to challenge you say, oh, we followed the science but what science was science because there was an awful scientists lot of awful of scientists a lot of experts, a lot of specialists who know their onions that were suppressed. but what was the motivation for looking at? starmer so why do you think

people boris johnson, the people around boris johnson, the shadowy lock shadowy figures wanted to lock us . i shadowy figures wanted to lock us. i personally think there's two reasons, actually. i think that this notion that there's this whole notion of liked to control of people just liked to control people. and you might say that's a i think a conspiracy theory. i think that's absolute, total truth and common sense. i think people get a from saying you you you can sit down and have your drink but you can't stand up and have your drink. i think people like it. pub want to that pub landlords want to that landlords would been some landlords would have been some of been of the people who've been screaming awful, screaming that this is awful, that locked down, that shouldn't be locked down, that shouldn't be locked down, that we shouldn't have these sorts regulations surely. well i think so lutely. right. think i'm up so lutely. right. and think what the other and i think you what the other motive like motive was. do you agree like things profit motivation is things like profit motivation is of these pharmaceutical of lots of these pharmaceutical companies think you've companies i think you've you've you've kind of area you've located the kind of area of disagreement in the wrong place respect . i don't place with respect. i don't think any question the think there's any question the government public health government and public health wanted to control our behaviour dunng wanted to control our behaviour during three lockdowns that took place in this country of control. the issue is why did they want to control it was it it because they actually believed it would reduce

transmission , reduce the burden transmission, reduce the burden on the nhs and so people did they actually believe it was in they actually believe it was in the public or did they have another agenda? and i think they did believe. it was in the pubuc did believe. it was in the public interest, but i don't think because they thought it was public that was in the public interest that entitled suppress debate entitled them to suppress debate about policy think about the policy and think that should should been should there should have been more debate about it and they should have lifted those restrictions sooner than they did. would done did. and they would have done had been this kind of had there not been this kind of unbelievably to unbelievably zealous attempt to suppress in all suppress dissent in all varieties. i think the varieties. and i think the government and they government was and they overreached and it was the overreached there and it was the greatest interference in our liberty country's liberty in this country's history, maybe did it. you know, i'm willing to give them the benefit the and say benefit of the doubt and say were in good faith. they were acting in good faith. they were acting in good faith. they were protect public. were trying protect the public. but that's because they didn't have another it didn't they weren't exposed to the alternative point of view. there was red teaming. the advice was no red teaming. the advice were getting they were getting from sage. they should been much more open should have been much more open discussion well, discussion about it all. well, they wasn't much open they and there wasn't much open discussion it's was discussion about it. it's it was there perhaps gb news. there except perhaps on gb news. right. can continue that right. we can continue that conversation in

conversation we perhaps will in the i do have to go to the break but i do have to go to a break come back i want a break when come back i want some of your responses that and i want to talk to about net zero. do you think there should i want to talk to about net ze referendum think there should i want to talk to about net zereferendum abouthere should i want to talk to about net zereferendum about britain'led a referendum about britain's obsession or should i say the governments obsession with achieving a net zero targets. tell me your thoughts and i'll see you in a couple of minutes .

hello there. welcome back . dewbs hello there. welcome back. dewbs & co with me michelle dewberry . & co with me michelle dewberry. i can tell you that debates between my panel tonight , writer between my panel tonight, writer and broadcaster mary stadlen and her beyond. the director of the free union did indeed rumble on throughout the break due . tell throughout the break due. tell me your thoughts on the whole covid me your thoughts on the whole covm thing. me your thoughts on the whole covid thing. nodules that are stop talking about covid. move on, michelle . now i want move on on, michelle. now i want move on to the calls always worry that

we could have another spike or a wave whatever you them these days just around the corner so think having conversations about how indeed we should react to them is essential in my mind anyway , by the way, lots of you anyway, by the way, lots of you sending in your christmas tree pictures. appreciate enid pictures. i appreciate it, enid , got your christmas tree. , i've got your christmas tree. i love it particularly i love it and particularly a christmas pudding decoration . christmas pudding decoration. and that. and i like your and i like that. and i like your chairs. stephen, you have your christmas tree up. but you have actually me a picture of actually sent me a picture of your instead. that's not your kebabs instead. that's not that's not a rude thing. that is indeed you've sent me a kebabs. i appreciate. it's made me hungry . let's talk about net hungry. let's talk about net zero, shall we? where do you stand on this whole issue? a poll by yougov now shows 44% of adults britain support. the adults in britain support. the idea of a nash no referendum on whether or not to continue with the whole net zero thing, 27% oppose the idea and 29% said they didn't know. to be honest, matthew, i was quite astonished. it was only 4% said that they are in favour of this referendum. vanessa are you? i'm

definitely not in favour of a referendum for zero. why not? first of all, i don't we should. we should govern the way our country should be governed by. plebiscite. can you imagine if we to rerun the sorts of toxic debate we endured for the brexit referendum and every month , or referendum and every month, or possibly every week because ? possibly every week because? where do you start and where do you stop with this? the second argument i have, and you might say in contradictions, the first is that this is such an important area that we shouldn't entitle ourselves to become experts in it. and decide our future directly. we in a system of parliamentary democracy , we of parliamentary democracy, we live in a system of representative democracy, not our own , which i think we ought our own, which i think we ought to think. but we're busy trying to think. but we're busy trying to keep our homes warm because they're not insulated. we are too busy being plumbers or , too busy being plumbers or, television presenters or whatever it is to devote the sort resources required really understand these things properly and responsibly what we do have is general elections. we elect our we all get the opportunity

to elect our own ps now they admitted they are not, but they have a responsibility to become sufficiently experts. every given issue that they are in a better position than those represent us the people who vote them to in up with the sorts of decisions we hope they get right now. of course, i don't think campaigns get everything right. obviously not. but we have a system where our legislate on our behalf and sometimes where the government legislates through powers . this through executive powers. this is such an important issue and i think it should be in the hands of mps. there is broadly a consensus across political parties which tells you something and what it tells me is that the science is almost certainly and we're moving in the right direction. and the very final thing and that is that the idea that net zero is somehow to harm us to somehow good to harm us seems to me to wrong because first of all there all sorts of business opportunities for people to make money the buy in the money and build the buy in the trends in the transition to net zero. and secondly, if you about reducing fumes , the roads, reducing fumes, the roads, reducing fumes, the roads, reducing cars , that's going to

reducing cars, that's going to make correctly and that's going to make your son, my son healthier , if you think about healthier, if you think about insulating our homes, is going to mean that we spend money. so the idea that net zero is some big bad wolf is coming to eat us all up. think so much of it. all up. i think so much of it. yeah. toby, where do you stand on that? yeah, i'm much in on that? yeah, i'm very much in favour a referendum. mean, favour of a referendum. i mean, it sounded though it almost sounded as though matthew that because matthew was saying that because policy the right policy is clearly the right people have choice people shouldn't have a choice about whether to embrace it should just imposed them should just imposed upon them because for own and because it's for own good and for their good . i for their children's good. i don't argument. i think don't buy that argument. i think course we shouldn't have referendums about everything. referendums about, everything. but issue but i think where an issue affects everyone in a really profound far reaching way for decades to come . like whether or decades to come. like whether or not we should be in the eu, then there should be a referendum about it. and you know, one of the reasons fuel bills are going to be higher this winter, not the reason, but one of the the only reason, but one of the reasons because net reasons is because of the net zero policy. there's a story in the right the telegraph right now i checked just before on air saying that some rural could be

forced spen d £13,000 heat forced to spend £13,000 on heat pumps because rules will pumps because zero rules will cause systems to be cause traditional systems to be banned going be banned. there's going to be a banned. there's going to be a ban on the sale of petrol and dnven ban on the sale of petrol and driven cars, new cars from 2030. these are incredibly far reaching changes that are going to finish the job of all of us. so you can all get a better, well—paid job to help you pay you whatever it was. you just mentioned. yeah, well, so far, jobs haven't really materialised and like to the extent and nothing like to the extent to the cost to the economy to for the cost to the economy of pursuing this particular. and, you know, i don't think it's enough to say that it was in the manifesto of the conservative party in 2019. i mean net zero by then it's already we have enough time. we have enough time to debate referendums, but not enough time to read the manifestos of labour party. and that's where the problem matthew if it's one problem is. matthew if it's one policy amongst in policy amongst many in a manifesto it and it doesn't get voted by you know, over 50% voted for by you know, over 50% of the population, you then say, well, people consented to well, people have consented to payin g £13,000 to replace. why paying £13,000 to replace. why have a referendum boiler with heat pump but why not have a

referendum that affects us? so why not have a referendum on how much be that affects much we be taxed that affects us. why not have referendum us. so why not have a referendum about exactly you about how much exactly you should the business? should put into the business? well, think think one of the well, i think i think one of the one of the we have the time one of the reasons that we have mps, one of the reasons we should have referendum this and have a referendum this issue and not other issues not some of those other issues is you made earlier, is a point you made earlier, which is that all three main political on this political parties agree on this policy. there really isn't policy. so there really isn't choice the box about choice at the ballot box about whether net zero or whether to pursue net zero or not, means there should be not, which means there should be a referendum it because we a referendum about it because we can't these. even can't express of these. even though in the ballot, even though in the ballot, even though only 44% people though only 44% of people in this which by the this yougov poll, which by the way, was sponsored by 26, which i is fair to say i think is fair to say would disagree about almost disagree with me about almost everything on the environment. only michelle only 44% of people, as michelle are surprised, already actually want a referendum. want to have a referendum. nearly 30% said they want the won't don't won't show. they just don't know. it's majority know. yes it's a majority you need surely you can need to have. surely if you can have referendum, you least to have a referendum, you least to have a referendum, you least to have a referendum, you least to have a majority of people wanting the referendum in the first accepted the first place. you accepted the same opposed a

same about people who opposed a referendum membership referendum ever on membership of the you're convinced the eu. if you're so convinced that right policy, that this is the right policy, then why not that argument in then why not that argument in the public square? why run scared of a if we were to have a referendum, it's obvious out referendum, it's obvious the out of i would continue try of my hands i would continue try to shows like gb to be invited on shows like gb news make my arguments as news to make my arguments as powerfully can. toby, you powerfully as i can. toby, you care much about rightly so. care so much about rightly so. you set up a school, right? am i right? yes. wouldn't it be wonderful to live in a world where our can breathe fresh air? and by the way, i'm not going to i'm not going to set myself up as some sort of jesus figure on this . you could easily accuse me this. you could easily accuse me of a hypocrite. i still of being a hypocrite. i still drive my car. i still more red meat than i should. do all the meat than i should. i do all the sorts of things you sorts of things that you probably in my view. we probably do that in my view. we should less i'm part the should do less of. i'm part the problem and not saying i'm houer problem and not saying i'm holier than thou or virtue holier than thou or i'm virtue signalling. think that signalling. i just think that the science suggests that we the science suggests that if we drive cars . if we drive drive fewer cars. if we drive cleaner cars , if we eat 40, if cleaner cars, if we eat 40, if we do all those things, all those things because it's expensive and i hope that it can be made less expensive. as i say

as i say, i'm not i'm by no means perfect and i'm part of problem doesn't mean i can't see the intellectual arguments for doing it. and let me pick up but i just want to pick up this point toxicity because you point about toxicity because you referenced your response, point about toxicity because you refe said,d your response, point about toxicity because you refe said, oh, your response, point about toxicity because you refe said, oh, we your response, point about toxicity because you refe said, oh, we don't'esponse, point about toxicity because you refe said, oh, we don't need|se, point about toxicity because you refe said, oh, we don't need like you said, oh, we don't need like of this toxic debate. i would argue actually the only reason it people not it was is because people not able to accept the and the response was toxic . so what response was toxic. so what happened was the result was that really what i thought you said, you know, if you believe in education, why why, why, why ? education, why why, why, why? why are you in favour of this referendum? it's a slightly bizarre argument, but one of the reasons like that reasons i'd like that to a referendum the zero issue referendum on the net zero issue is i do believe in is because i do believe in education. i think public education. i think a public debate which people like you debate in which people like you and out on would and i thrashed it out on would be educational. i think people were educated the brexit were educated by. the brexit debate. was some debate. yeah, there was some toxic but as michelle toxic to it. but as michelle says of the toxicity says, a lot of the toxicity occurred after the result. so on the substance . so if it was if the substance. so if it was if we were to have we're going to come to substance because come back to substance because i've been told i don't need to

go break. i'm going to go to go to break. i'm going to go to a break. when back, we're a break. when i come back, we're going about the going to talk about the substance what would substance of what would a referendum look like. you referendum look like. if you say, yes, michelle, be say, yes, michelle, could be a referendum, you tell me what should that's should be the question that's on, want to ask on, then what you want to ask and want to ask you about and i want to ask you about private schools. should there be charities? not have charities? should you not have to vat on the to pay your 20% vat on the school fees? keir starmer the answer to that is no. get rid of the charity status. you agree with or i'll with him? yes or no? i'll see you a of minutes .

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co. with me, michelle. we're keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside , we've 7:00 tonight alongside, we've got the writer and broadcaster matthew stadlen and so beyond. he's director of the free he's the director of the free speech union just before the break in case you've just tuned in, debating whether or in, we were debating whether or not referendum about . not we have a referendum about. the uk's obsession , shall we the uk's obsession, shall we

say, with net zero, many people writing in and saying absolutely yes, you should a referendum. so i put it you before the break. well, what should the question be then? so i want your thoughts you that we should have a you reckon that we should have a referendum you that referendum all those you that do. that question be do. what should that question be on paper ? toby, you on the ballot paper? toby, you want a referendum. you want want a referendum. what you want the well, i've the questions? well, i've written the try to written down. should the try to reduce its carbon emissions net zero yes. or but are zero by 2050? yes. or but are you going include what about you going to include what about what does that mean? does what does that mean? what does it do you think it it look like? do you think it should as. i don't should be as binary as. i don't think it's got to be quite and binary. otherwise the outcome will be say again should uk will be say again should the uk try its carbon to net try to reduce its carbon to net zero by 2050? very straightforward . simple. yes or straightforward. simple. yes or no to that. okay. if really were a then the adult a referendum then the adult question would be something along the that toby just along the lines that toby just suggested. i would put it suggested. but i would put it differently. i would say, do you want to live in warmer homes? and that mean getting to net zero? because if you want to live in warmer homes means insulating your homes. it means working the zero target. the

working the net zero target. the second question would be, you second question would be, do you want live a world where want to live in a world where you don't get wildfires in? london world doesn't london but the world doesn't burn because that's burn to a crisp because that's what's stake and i'll be what's at stake and i'll be really honest with both of you, just very quickly, it like one side i said that's side that's why i said that's why yours would be why i in reality yours would be the question. just very the question. toby but just very quickly, because quickly, michelle, because i think is i don't think think this is i don't think there should be a i don't want there should be a i don't want there to be a reference. i can buy some of toby's arguments i can the force of i don't can see the force of i don't want that to be a reference because. i worry about what the result would now you might result would be. now you might say, you're in say, therefore you're in a dictatorship. no, not. dictatorship. no, i'm not. because science elected because science and our elected politicians united on this. because science and our elected politi(worry united on this. because science and our elected politi(worry that1ited on this. because science and our elected politi(worry that wed on this. because science and our elected politi(worry that we had this. because science and our elected politi(worry that we had a1is. and i worry that we had a referendum. people might vote , referendum. people might vote, and that would be and i think that would be disastrous us our disastrous for us and for our children. so don't want a children. so you don't want a referendum case consent referendum in case don't consent correctly. to it on correctly. you want to it on people they can impose people whether they can impose not imposed by our elected representatives who've studied the about and the issue and thought about and who the science . who have studied the science. you won't name any you know, i won't name any names, especially if you're watching, you say all these watching, but you say all these elected represents . you studied elected represents. you studied all this stuff and all the rest.

but i've had conversation with people in chambers, i don't want to mention any names where i've been debating in this show, and i've called them up and said, you know, can you just give me a bit more? i'm debating this on my show tonight. i've just seen that guys had a vote. that you guys have had a vote. and the response i've got is, oh, i don't know. i was just told that we have to vote x. so when you have view in your when you have this view in your well, what's actually all of these representatives these elected representatives study they study this information and they avail themselves of their facts and these wonderful, and they make these wonderful, informed they informed decisions because they are brighter than those are so much brighter than those plebs on the i know my plebs on the street. i know my prices, so just that prices, so i just respond that they're not necessarily brighter prices, so i just respond that they're nbut ecessarily brighter prices, so i just respond that they're nbut they;arily brighter prices, so i just respond that they're nbut they have.)righter prices, so i just respond that they're nbut they have. theyer prices, so i just respond that they're nbut they have. they are than us. but they have. they are supposed we and it's not supposed we hope and it's not perfect they political perfect because they political system they system is perfect. they democracies you that they democracies you hope that they have time read the have taken the time read the prospective legislation to affiliate themselves with the science. so understand the science. so understand the science and the of us just don't have time. i think my in have that time. i think in my in my of my experience of parliamentarians the really thoughtful ones who bothered to delve into the detail of this

issue are climate climate change net zero sceptics. and it's not true that there's a settled consensus among scientists on this issue. there are plenty dissenting scientists too. i think even an elevator up there is majority sets. i'm not saying there aren't dissenting voices and should probably still and we should probably still hear dissenting hear those dissenting voices. but majority of but the overwhelming majority of science suggests if we don't act and act fast, then for all of us. but do you a little bit of sensation, is that you're saying do you want london burn down in wildfires this which may which may have been a consequence of climate change, hang see the increasing the word may there is doing a lot of heavy lifting in these fontaine combusted of fields or whatever i would suggest that some of so—called wildfires are indeed started by absolute morons performing moronic behaviour setting fire to things, chucking barbecues, smoking cigarettes that may very be the case, but the world is

getting warmer. look at the forest fires in australia. look at the forest fires in california. look at the forest fires in greece. but look at above, at the charts. look at the way which the world is the way in which the world is warming look way in warming and look the way in which pumping more and which we are pumping more and more and greenhouse more gas. and this greenhouse gas emissions. me just gas emissions. so let me just let me just come back on that. i mean there's been a pause in global warming more than ten global warming for more than ten years. global years. average global temperatures haven't increased years. average global tenthe atures haven't increased years. average global tenthe atures hayears. ncreased years. average global tenthe atures hayears. sozased years. average global tenthe atures hayears. so itsed for the past ten years. so it isn't a linear regression well that's friend that's a fact. that's my friend that's a fact. the average global temperatures measured sitting here measured by you're sitting here i'm not saying that the world is not gas. you know, i'm saying average global measured by average global as measured by satellites haven't increased for more than ten years. addition more than ten years. in addition . if you look at the records, there isn't actually much evidence that extreme weather events have increased in frequency since 100 years ago. i think that there isn't much evidence . do you mean well? evidence. do you mean well? well, the records are pretty threadbare . you go back further threadbare. you go back further in time, but there other ways of measuring how there were floods and fires. and so forth.

hurricanes, tornadoes . and why hurricanes, tornadoes. and why do you ask, do you the world is getting warmer. i don't think i did last century. i do think the i do think average global temperatures have increased a little bit over the past that the debate isn't over whether the debate isn't over whether the isn't over average the debate isn't over average global temperatures have increased. it's about what you the workhorses i think i'm no winston not that greenhouse emissions soaring at the emissions are soaring at the global temperature. i'm not completely shaded the completely persuade shaded the globe say that the increase globe but say that the increase in carbon emission lines is what has persuaded small increase in average global temperature. more persuaded than not persuaded enough to, for instance have to replace my boiler with a heat pump, even if replace my boiler with a heat pump, even i f £13,000 is not pump, even if £13,000 is not enough to say i can't buy a dip in 2013. absolutely astonishing . so i'm going to call you a hypocrite because you saying the are so high london might burn to are so high london might burn to a ground you homes and then you freely admit and is the thing that annoys me so much have to be honest everyone people like

you, not just you, but there's a lot of people you you say about all this net zero stuff and then you freely admit, don't my you freely admit, don't do my own small little bit, so do the planet . okay, listen, by all my planet. okay, listen, by all my answers, simple . i do try a bit, answers, simple. i do try a bit, but not hard enough. and yes, therefore you can call me a hypocrite, but that's calling me. a hypocrite might make you feel better, but it might make me feel worse. but it's not going to save the world from climate change. that's why i'm irrelevant. it doesn't matter whether i'm a hypocrite the whether i'm a hypocrite to the mass collective. openly said whether i'm a hypocrite to the masa collective. openly said whether i'm a hypocrite to the masa hypocrite. openly said whether i'm a hypocrite to the masa hypocrite. yes.enly said whether i'm a hypocrite to the masa hypocrite. yes. well,aid whether i'm a hypocrite to the masa hypocrite. yes. well, this i'm a hypocrite. yes. well, this is point, people shouldn't is my point, people shouldn't keep dictating of keep demanding and dictating of others don't others that they don't even perform themselves. so you tell me i'm being a bit harsh or no. give your the referendum give me your for the referendum . if i get to one more town square to a break, i'm going cry. quite frankly so. i don't need to go to a break when i come back, i to talk to you come back, i want to talk to you about private schools that go away .

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co me michelle dewberry. let's talk private school, shall we? keir starmer basically says he'll follow in the footsteps of jeremy corbyn when it comes to the to the charitable the pledge to end the charitable status private schools . is he status private schools. is he right or is he wrong. what he's talking about by the way, is that you don't have to pay 20% of it on the fees. essentially, these schools have got charitable . are charitable status. you are involved schooling yourself. involved in schooling yourself. you certainly have been for a while, where do you while, haven't you where do you stand on this? think it's a stand on this? i think it's a badidea. stand on this? i think it's a bad idea . and the reason it's bad idea. and the reason it's a bad idea. and the reason it's a bad is because if you the bad idea is because if you the charitable status from private schools school schools and increased school fees that increase in cost be passed on to parents and many parents who currently send their kids to private school won't be to afford to wait. are you going to afford to wait. are you going to educate those kids? to educate those those kids? well, to have to well, you're going to have to educate state educate them in the state sector. and that's very, very expensive at the moment. parents who out state

who are opting out of the state sector and sending their kids to private saving state a private are saving the state a great money, much more great deal of money, much more money would be able to money the state would be able to claim by of vat on their fees. i mean, i made a rough calculation. there was 615,000 children roughly in the uk children and roughly in the uk currently being educated in the private, it costs roughly currently being educated in the private, it costs roughly £5,000 to a child state to educate a child in the state sector. so that's 3 billion right there. the idea that by reducing number kids at reducing the number of kids at private you'd make private school you'd make savings starmer he savings. keir starmer says he wants spend on catch up is wants to spend on catch up is ludicrous he'd have to spend it on educating the children who can no longer to go to can no longer afford to go to private, who are back private, who are opting back into what about into the state. and what about increasing size , the school increasing the size, the school estate accommodate those estate to accommodate all those 615,000, let's say an average , a 615,000, let's say an average, a thousand kids at each school? that's 650 new schools. you'd need. they roughly cost 25 million a piece. that's 15 billion, right there. could the taxpayer afford it shouldn't we just be grateful that these parents are paying the tax that would you know that they would have to if their kids are going to school. i mean they're, helping hold the state

helping to hold up the state school system via their taxes, but use schools, but opting not to use schools, but opting not to use schools, but out. we but instead opting out. we should instead of should grateful instead of trying them, we trying to penalise them, we should saying you. should be saying thank you. instead them, says instead of penalise them, says toby young, a man done his sums there. everyone matthew, where do i feel quite do you stand. yeah, i feel quite strongly this that. want strongly about this that. i want to back to. you that to come back to. do you say that toby's done sums in our break and i know that gb news you really facts. really care about facts. do did a very quick search and on bloomberg which was a trusted source said that eight source said that the last eight years think it's about 2021 years i think it's about 2021 was hottest in history so was the hottest in history so dispute toby before the dispute toby said before the break that's break that's important. that's about the about climate change. but on the issue schools important issue of schools it's important because on the issue because his facts on the issue of toby very of schools toby is very persuasive worry about persuasive and my worry about this what seems on the this is that what seems on the face of it to be absolutely absurd that we all of us are subsidy izing rich parents to send school, send their children to private schools. but actually the consequences , toby says of the consequences, toby says of scrap saying that exemption on vat if scrapping the charitable status on private schools, the consequence of that may unintended and that actually it

reduces the overall quality of education because we have to put more money into the state. what's driving this policy that because it was politics i think it's politics i'll you it's not the policies of mp but the politics of keir starmer trying keep sufficient numbers of his own party on side to be brutally honest. so week as you would have covered had on have covered if you had on houday have covered if you had on holiday cbi he spoke the cbi holiday cbi he spoke to the cbi and did he say that we need and what did he say that we need to get a grip on migration and what we need to do we need to train up more british to do jobs that done so that was that need to be done so that was throwing red meat the voters throwing red meat to the voters and here i think be honest and here i think to be honest he's probably throwing meat and here i think to be honest he labourably throwing meat and here i think to be honest he labour partyirowing meat and here i think to be honest he labour party members meat and here i think to be honest he labour party members who at to labour party members who think that private education and i think as despite i think this as well despite again you may forget i went to private school like toby did, despite, the inherent despite, i think the inherent unfairness it. i didn't go to unfairness of it. i didn't go to private school, did you not? i thought etonian, thought you were an old etonian, toby. not. and i went to toby. no i'm not. and i went to three different comprehensives. why it why were they? or isn't it interesting whose interesting that someone whose state schools to state backs private schools to some of these privately educated back schools? did you back state schools? why did you go very interesting.

go to this? very interesting. i don't know. my parents don't know. because my parents moved. it wasn't, as moved. it wasn't it wasn't, as you dropped after the you say, i dropped out after the second i fell to my second one. i fell to my o—levels decided leave . o—levels and decided to leave. but a year of doing but then after a year of doing manual labour, i decided actually maybe not so bad. i went back, say, i think a lot of the people are against private schools just those that schools are just those that probably couldn't afford send their child because i think if you honest was deeply against private schools deeply i really kind of like why would you want to single out your child to do this something other now that i've got a child, i consider the very simple basics of do i want my kid educated with? let's just say to kids . do i want say fair to the kids. do i want my kid educated would say eight other for me an other kids. i mean, for me an absolute no brainer who would answer question. i'd say answer that question. i'd say no. michel i want my no. actually, michel i want my kid the class. i kid in the class. i think i think he's a case of a clash between, as it were. writes so rich wealthy people's rich people's wealthy people's to send their kids to school they want. and the rights of children to be free from the advantages experienced by their

neighbours just because their parents are poorer than their neighbours parents , it seems to neighbours parents, it seems to me just on the most basic that when you're a kid you should have the same advantages the kid next and your parents. well next door and your parents. well should to do with should have nothing to do with it do think about it? it. what do you think about it? i think it sounds lovely in theory. is that a reality, though, that kids, you know, you should of any advantages should be free of any advantages of parents? tell many of your parents? you tell many of your parents? you tell many of me with your of you coming back me with your ideas this zero thing. ideas about this net zero thing. the question that can be on the only question that can be on that you want net zero that she is do you want net zero or a yes or you shouldn't get into the complications , the into the complications, the debts. you say just it simple. james says the question should be, do you even believe in it? i'll call you up and kind of worms there. jenny says the question be, do you want to be called callous and eating insects called? blimey would say yes that. look at, the yes to that. look at, the time. that's all have time that's all i do have time tonight. thank you so much to my panel thank you to you guys at home. it's good be back but home. it's good to be back but nigel farage is up next. nigel, good have you got good evening. what have you got for michelle thank you very

for us? michelle thank you very much. robust, pragmatic is a new phrase that's appeared in to foreign policy. i think it could be a new conservative, rishi sunak philosophy across the board . would it solve the board. would it solve the immigration crisis? what happens with splits the party over wind energy and much else besides ? energy and much else besides? and joining me on talking pints tonight , john bolton. he was, of tonight, john bolton. he was, of course , national security boss course, national security boss for donald trump, course, national security boss for donald trump , former us for donald trump, former us ambassador to the un. we'll be asking him about the upsurge of revolution. is it a revolution ? revolution. is it a revolution? is it going to get put down in china? all of that coming up. but first, let's get the all important weather. hello again. i'm aidan mcgivern from the met office. a big change in our weather is now taking place compared with the often wet and windy but mild we've seen during recent weeks and months. still some showers about but they'll away the most places are turning dner away the most places are turning drier over the next few as high pressure increasingly dominates our forecast now this little weather front clearing the east

first thing this evening will bnng first thing this evening will bring some further showers across parts east anglia and the southeast . a lot of cloud here southeast. a lot of cloud here that , low cloud will southeast. a lot of cloud here that, low cloud will keep. temperatures will too far overnight , but otherwise clear overnight, but otherwise clear spells elsewhere . the uk will spells elsewhere. the uk will lead to widespread frost minus three minus four celsius in places and some dense fog patches. first thing for the likes of the central belt, north—west england, parts of wales in the some of these fog could last until the afternoon. so where get that temperatures will be held back and we'll see some low cloud through the midlands east anglia and the south of england. but from these areas, especially for parts scotland, northern england, parts of west wales and cornwall , bright blue skies and temperatures up 6 to 12 celsius. dry for the vast majority as well. just one of the few showers peppering the coast of kent and, east anglia. no, continue tuesday nights, but widely the rest of the uk it's night of clear skies for , some night of clear skies for, some

low cloud for others mist, fog and frost forming and a chilly start once again in the west, particularly on wednesday. but one exception by this stage, northern here, thick of cloud and some outbreaks of rain will move in the atlantic. however, unlike recent days and weeks, that rain won't make much progress across the rest of the uk because the jet slowing down. that's the thing brings us atlantic weather and higher pressure over scandinavia it's starting to dominate so the second half of the week although often cloudy although it will be colder with some frost and fog will also be drier.

tonight, we'll discuss the migrant crisis as over