well, hello there. at 6:00, i'm michelle dewberry and this is dewbs& co the show. we'll get into some of the things have got you talking today. i'm wondering by the way, how are your heads today. watch the today. did you watch the football. you have fun.7 did football. did you have fun.7 did enjoy england's victory. are you welsh wishing it on the other way. tell me your thoughts have you the last you watched the football last night? coming up tonight , night? well, coming up tonight, more strikes. one of these days.

everyone, i'm going to start with positive, upbeat news today. that is not it's more straight ambulance stuff this tom nana nine corners ambulance drivers of course massive as well. we've heard that nurses and children's places like great ormond street as well will be going on strike. goodness gracious me, do you think it's time? basically the government to give in and give them what they want? oh, no. some of your on that and you this whole ulez thing tax basically on old cars in london it's expanded it is of course happening up and down the country not just in london and it's made me ponder do you think basically that we're going to get to the point where driving is only going to be the preserve of the rich, that the plan was it the plan all and talking about. it the plan all and talking about . do you work five days about. do you work five days a week. would you like to work four boats get the same out of money. yes, please. if my is watching a woman that quite frankly. but what do you make to this do you think that actually

it is time change the way we work and do less days hours. i want your thoughts on that. speaking of working the labour party wants to have less sanctions on people that don't work . are they right or wrong. work. are they right or wrong. again, your thoughts on that. first, before we get into that, let's bring ourselves up to speed on the lines . latest speed on the lines. latest headunes. speed on the lines. latest headlines . thank you, michelle. headlines. thank you, michelle. this is the latest , the gb this is the latest, the gb newsroom. the prince of wales says there's no for racism in society . the statement coming society. the statement coming after a royal was forced to resign over made at a reception . inkosi forlani, who's the founder of a domestic abuse charity , says she was repeatedly charity, says she was repeatedly asked prince william's godmother why she really came from . lady why she really came from. lady susan hussey then challenged her after she told her she was in the uk and is british.

kensington palace says . the kensington palace says. the comments were unacceptable and it was right for her to step aside with immediate effect effect . more than 10,000 effect. more than 10,000 ambulance workers have voted strike across nine trusts in england and wales month. that joining thousands of 999 call handler ambulance technicians and paramedics who are also set to walk off the job are the strikes will hit national rail well as other train operators and more than 100 eurostar staff will stop work. the announcement is follow today's action by university and college union members and workers. the mick lynch says industrial action is that only option . we cannot wait that only option. we cannot wait for policy makers , professional for policy makers, professional politicians the people of here in first place to come and save us. what's going to work is a wave of action organised the trade unions stand up for

themselves . the government has themselves. the government has asked police for the use of 400 cells to house prisoners because of overcrowding. prisons damian hinds told mp there's been an unprecedented in the number of offenders over the last few months. he says it's partly due to the criminal bar association strike over the summer , which strike over the summer, which saw more people on remand . how saw more people on remand. how hsbc will close 114 bank branches across the uk . it says branches across the uk. it says the decision comes remote banking soars in popularity with mobile app users almost tripling since 2017. the bank has also seen a decline in footfall since the covid pandemic. it plans to invest tens millions of pounds, updating its remaining branches . a major trial of an experimental alzheimer's drug has shown for the first time that early stages of the disease can be slowed , scientists found can be slowed, scientists found after months, the drug the

disease progression by 27% compared with patients taking the placebo. however, expert says warn as the medicine works dunng says warn as the medicine works during the initial stages of the disease , most won't benefit disease, most won't benefit unless a revolution in stopping it spotting it. the results published the new england journal of medicine have been hailed as the beginning . the end hailed as the beginning. the end .labour hailed as the beginning. the end . labour leader sir keir starmer has accused the prime minister of being weak during a heated this afternoon. rishi sunak came under fire from the opposition over private school funding failure to maintain housebuilding targets and the latest series industrial action, both leaders also questioned each other over the support of their backbench mps . ipart i've their backbench mps. ipart i've party my parties having a apparently it's called operation get tough . so how tough is he

get tough. so how tough is he going to get with his backbenchers who are blocking the new homes discount tree so badly needs prime minister. mr. speaker , we're delivering record speaker, we're delivering record numbers of new homes under this government. that's what we're doing. he, he. he talks about toughness , speaker. he's too toughness, speaker. he's too weak to . stop. dozens of his own weak to. stop. dozens of his own mp joining picket lines. weak to. stop. dozens of his own mp joining picket lines . matt mp joining picket lines. matt has revealed he was paid £45,000 to appear on the tv's celebrity sas. who dares wins? in an update to the mp his register of interests has also been revealed the former health secretary spent 80 hours filming the show while was in recess between september the 24th and october the eighth and the prime minister has visited a christmas market on downing street , market on downing street, warning the following contains images. rishi sunak and his wife visited the food and drinks at

number ten. promote british small businesses over the christmas period. they spent that time speaking to business owners within candles and an array of cheeses cheeses , tv array of cheeses cheeses, tv online. a.b. plus radio. this is gb news. now it's back to dewbs & co . & co. thanks for that. tasty well, i'm with you right through until o'clock this evening, keeping me company tonight we got martin who's a chef. positive bringing us lots of positivity. we like that don't we in today's doom and gloom era and charlotte pickles the director of the reform think tank. let me ask , though, on tank. let me ask, though, on a serious note, by the way, because i've got to be honest, sometimes i feel quite depressed . i my job is to read news, . i do my job is to read news, look everything that's look at everything that's going on. like the time, on. i feel like all the time, every day just got back off a every day i just got back off a week's holiday. was nice to

week's holiday. i was nice to relax. i open all papers again on monday morning. i'm like, oh my it's my goodness, it's quite depressing. is to be depressing. what is that? to be positive? there's a lot to positive? oh, there's a lot to be about. give some. be positive about. give me some. give something . well, that give me something. well, that was one thing. that is an upcoming issue of positive news. a plumber up in burnley. upcoming issue of positive news. a plumber up in burnley . yeah. a plumber up in burnley. yeah. who was so at seeing the way some elderly people in their homes were being conned by other plumbers that he set up a little network of plumbers to do work for them to diagon problems and so on either of charge or a price they could afford whatever it's called sorry is this death for or whatever. yes that's the one. yeah yeah, i've heard that. yeah. yeah. so mean that was, that's an example of ordinary person getting out , doing person getting out, doing something positive doesn't always get picked by the mainstream press, which is a shame . gets picked up by gb shame. gets picked up by gb news. i've seen him. well done. yeah, we do. i i actually think that guy is remarkable because you see some of the, he shares a

lot of the stuff on his social media. you see the start of some of the houses, some of the boilers that people have been left predicaments that he left in, predicaments that he goes round and the him his people this all out there that was that was nice yeah. was nice that was a nice yeah. have got anything positive have you got anything positive you charlotte's you want to tell me charlotte's there. oh gosh, oh, i've been reading the papers much . you reading the papers too much. you want spoil. i feel the want to spoil. i feel the depressing news but i love. i love that . right. and actually love that. right. and actually the race you think about everyday people and all the little things they do on a daily bafis little things they do on a daily basis to help each other. you i actually think we don't get true picture when we watch the news the kind of, you know, in local communities what people are actually doing each actually doing support each other. some positivity other. mm. i got some positivity the day by the way, when the other day by the way, when i come from a holiday, i asked you guys, have you put your christmas out? and christmas decorations out? and i asked pictures and asked you for some pictures and on home from that show, on the way home from that show, i really actually having i really enjoyed actually having a little nose. your christmas decorations, seeing you've decorations, seeing what you've got and that got up and where and that cheered me off. i have to say, no end. it got me a little bit further into the christmas

spirit. it did. anyway want spirit. so it did. anyway want your the stories your thoughts on the stories that tonight? the that we'll be tonight? the strikes, course, ambulance, strikes, of course, ambulance, staff, name it staff, nurses, you name it pretty anyone, quite pretty much anyone, quite frankly going on frankly, seems to be going on strike days what is the strike these days what is the answer? the government answer? should the government give or not? and i want to talk to you four day working to you about four day working weeks sanctions, the weeks the sanctions, the benefits sanctions for those people are in work ulez people that are not in work ulez the charge now for the the whole charge now for the older cars is that fair or not. you can get in touch with gbviews@gbnews.uk is the email or you can tweet me as well at gb news. and if you sit that, by the way, shouting italian saying i've got positive news, you can tell me that as well, why not say our top story tonight say but our top story tonight just mentioned much just mentioned pretty much everyone, frankly , seems everyone, quite frankly, seems to on strike these to be going on strike these days. posties days. rail workers, posties nurses , lawyers, university nurses, lawyers, university staff . well, now, ambulance staff. well, now, ambulance workers will be doing the same as well. and someone just emailed me and i'm man, you tell me your name is saying stop calling lots of these ambulance workers drive you say workers basically drive you say there a lot more than that technicians and so on and so forth. take your point on

forth. i'll take your point on board. i think it's a very fair one. anyway, the point is that many of them now in england and wales walk out in wales have voted to walk out in the past and pay dispute. in fact, actually start you on fact, actually i'll start you on this, what they are this, charlotte. what they are asking for is basically rpi inflation plus 5% that can be around 19% pay rise . this is a around 19% pay rise. this is a nice i'm talking about as well. do you think that it's time for the government just to say, you know what, we don't want all these services to stop you're asking for we'll pay it. no, absolutely not and there are several reasons why i don't think that's an option. and look , we should all recognise particularly actually nurses with symptom and other ambulance staff, you know these, these are not the well—paid paid people within the health service . know within the health service. know you want to talk about consultants or doctors? actually, they're very well paid . but this group of people are not particularly paid. but the giving in effect is the right

phrase to use . and giving those phrase to use. and giving those sorts of pay rises , let's be sorts of pay rises, let's be clear, will cost billions. absolutely of pounds . and where absolutely of pounds. and where does that money come from? what comes from because we borrow we' re borrow we're already can't borrow more. we're already this year going to spend on £120,000,000,000 billion on servicing. but to we find billions for everything, whether it's the ukraine wall, whether it's the ukraine wall, whether it's this all the other crises here, their crisis . so why we here, their crisis. so why we say it's a 5 billion is four things. so why believe so? so i think again there's things think again there's tough things to say part of you want to to say part of why you want to have sound public finances is so that when you have a crisis like for example the pandemic, you can't to spend more. you know how, do we not have that period of what technically people call fiscal consolidation what is more popularly known as austerity actually we wouldn't have had public finances that allowed to spend 400 billion. now you can argue whether or not, we should have spent 400 billion during the pandemic. but but because we more stable

pubuc but because we more stable public finances, we could do that know the war i mean we that you know the war i mean we obviously that's a kind of once in several generation crisis but of course you need to respond to that this is not we're talking about here are talking about building in if you're talking 20% and if you give 20% to nurses you've got to give it to the other public sector workers or at least in health. if you build that in. that's not a one off cost. you can recover from. that's now built in forever and don't have billions and billions of pounds those taxes are paid by people earning less than some the people in the health service. so no we have find a settlement we absolutely should be raising wages particularly for those who are lower paid in the health service. but we absolutely afraid cannot absolutely i'm afraid cannot afford to be giving sort of pay rises that they're asking for. let ask you this at home, by let me ask you this at home, by the way because i think charlotte does raise a very good point, which is if you want to give pay rises, it to be give pay rises, it has to be paid for out of taxes. let me

paid for out of taxes. so let me ask this. if you someone ask you this. if you someone that the strikes, maybe that supports the strikes, maybe you're a nurse, ambulance technician, you technician, whatever, and you want a pay rise, would you be willing to more tax to willing to pay more tax to basically that cash ? so basically generate that cash? so if you're a strike supporter, you're on the of the you're on the side of the people's pay rises. would be willing fund that's my willing to fund that? that's my question erm martin where do question to erm martin where do you on. it's tricky isn't you stand on. it's tricky isn't it. because there really the two issues if we're issues about this if we're looking particularly at public sector particularly sector workers, particularly frontline like ambulance, ambulance workers, paramedics, etc. there's an issue of merit, whether deserve it or not. and there's an issue of pragmatism ism. so in the case of you can say it's quite for the government to back inflation matching increases for pensioners and for benefits which they have done and then say well frontline workers come can't have pay that matches inflation . that's a tricky one. inflation. that's a tricky one. the arguably there some more deserving cases than others. and i think everyone would the frontline nhs workers near the top of the list when it comes

deserving a pay rise. but there's the pragmatism aspect supply and demand. you know we, live in a society where unemployment is quite low , where unemployment is quite low, where a lot of people are leaving the nhs . if i'm a lot of people are leaving the nhs. if i'm finding jobs , if we nhs. if i'm finding jobs, if we don't give them enough money so that they stay in the nhs , then that they stay in the nhs, then we could have a real shortage. then suddenly you're not waiting an hour for an ambulance, you're waiting three or 4 hours and up for an ambulance, because we simply don't have the people there. so i think it's both a question of working out okay, what's a offer in terms of what do people deserve? what do we feel good about but also what do we need to pay to make sure that when we have a heart attack, an ambulance turn up and it's tncky ambulance turn up and it's tricky know there's a negotiation underway obviously the initial ask by the union is not what they expect to get they know there's going be some to and fro. well that's very tricky. i'm glad i'm not in charge. yeah. ever. in scotland,

for example, some of the strikes off is being suspended for the moment because a pay offer was, which is basically been put out to for consideration . to members for consideration. and saying is that and what they're saying is that their basically their pay offer basically amounts to around about 11.3% for the lowest paid staff and around about 7.5% on average do you think that's reasonable ? i you think that's reasonable? i don't know what the numbers look like in scotland. i absolutely think it is a very good principi to say that those who are lowest paid get the greatest increases . i would you know, the principle of that approach, i think, is a good one. but ultimately , it's nice to think ultimately, it's nice to think we could do what everyone deserves . it's nice to we could do what everyone deserves. it's nice to think there's a bottomless pit of money out there that we can to do exactly that. but i'm really sorry. the reason it does come back to michelle, your point . do back to michelle, your point. do we want to put up taxes that wasn't terribly popular when our now pm and previously increase national insurance fact it was very unpopular to do so if

you're not willing to do that, where are you going to take the money from? we are talking about billions, you know, we're not talking about an insignificant you to cut the education you want to cut the education budget. to cut the budget. do you want to cut the transport budget? you want to cut defence because the money has somewhere. the has to come from somewhere. the reason money, you say reason pneumatic money, you say people to it, people will be forced to it, right? decent right? because most decent people want , know, your people want, you know, your everyday workers, you nurses, whatever is want these people to be able to get by and provide for themselves. hopefully that's why you go to work in the first place. right. so that's everyone probably the same and probably has the same aim and they'll listening you and they'll be listening to you and they'll be listening to you and they'll oh, know, they'll be saying, oh, know, like fiscal consolidation or whatever, and, whatever, sensible finances and, all of but then all the rest of it. but then they will have pulse of things like whatever is now i've lost so count of. so i so i've lost count of. so i think we're on something like so i've lost count of. so i think we're on something lik so i've lost count of. so i think we're onor»mething lik so i've lost count of. so i think we're onor something. six, million a day or something. six, £7 million a day on people crossing, channel in hotels crossing, the channel in hotels and sit there and and people will sit there and get infuriated because they will say, can this money to do of say, we can this money to do of these different things. and you're saying well that's a one off thing that ukraine wall

whatever hotels whatever whatever these hotels whatever but sense that people are is but the sense that people are is that there is a real injustice now . people are paying their now. people are paying their taxes. they're going work, they're doing the right thing. and that taxes are being spent on things that many are saying wrong in the times, in tax that you're saying. i it is outrageous. we are spending of pounds on putting putting asylum seekers many of whom as we know most of whom are immigrants at that point in hotels, i don't why the government hasn't come up with some of rapid building of temporary accommodation in order to do this. i think it's unhelpful to say because we're spending money in this area, we should build in an extra 10 billion, 20 billion of cost over here. now again, i am incredibly sympathetic, particularly as i say to the low paid. you're nurses are, pretty low paid junior doctors actually are low

paid and we should do something about that. and of the some of the welsh medics going down the line, this is why that's not specific to progression rates for example you know if you become if you start off as a pandemic a paramedic and you pandemic as a paramedic and you become a consultant , you could become a consultant, you could become a consultant, you could be earning upwards of 67, £70,000 or progression rates for four paramedics, which is one of the groups that we're seeing going on strike. and i do think michelle is us remembering that the common factor here, although royal mail is actually private, it didn't used to be the common factor is that these are public workers. there many more, if workers. there are many more, if not 80% of the workers in this country are in the private sector of whom many of those are on, even wages and they're not going out strike. and so i think we can't have a different treatment. we need a fair settlement . low paid public settlement. low paid public sector workers . but a fair sector workers. but a fair settlement isn't , those low paid settlement isn't, those low paid private sector workers paying more tax to fund additional payments . i think we have to be

payments. i think we have to be a little bit careful and, you know, private sector wages have gone up. i think it's about an average of 6.5. final brief word to you if you got one, it would be interesting to explore binding arbitration because those have been tried elsewhere in europe with mixed success . a in europe with mixed success. a lot of people won't know what you mean. so just the idea is that the unions and the government agree that they will be an independent arbitrator that will decide what right pay offer what the right pay deal is . and they both agree to accept it. and in return for that, the agree we do not go on strike . we agree we do not go on strike. we do not have. yes, we do have bodies that look at what pay should be we do have those but we don't have binding arbitration. it's been elsewhere in europe some places been in europe in some places been more than others . but more successful than others. but it'll interesting to it'll be interesting to experiment it more here. experiment with it more here. yeah, i'll have to say it's divided this issue, herman. i can understand because it is. it's difficult, isn't it? it's really difficult, isn't it? everybody wants , people to everybody wants, people to be paid fairly work they paid fairly for the work they do. in their right mind do. nobody in their right mind would struggling to

would anyone to be struggling to work right now struggling. and then the of that is people are very concerned about the impact on care and of course don't forget the way there are like forget by the way there are like rules in in terms of the levels of care it to safe care etc. of care it to be safe care etc. i imagine it does to be i imagine it does have to be covered to just make that point clear. but malcolm says michel, those who withdraw their labour in should ashamed. in the nhs should be ashamed. there paid the there were support paid by the public. this public. they've received this council off shopping and council off their shopping and still they were given free or still do they were given free or , reduced fares. and captain tom raised millions to help them dunng raised millions to help them during lockdown. and now this is how repaying us . so i have to how repaying us. so i have to say it , is how repaying us. so i have to say it, is divided. lots of you are on side saying give them what they want, but you answer my question, though, would you be prepared ? pay for it with be prepared? pay for it with your increased taxes. give me your increased taxes. give me your on all of i your thoughts on all of when i come back. want to talk you as come back. i want to talk you as well about these low emissions zones. because i want zones. basically because i want to say rubbish cop. i don't mean rubbish kind of. i mean all yes, all the right. i know it is almost impossible. i don't that

if you got an old car , a classic if you got an old car, a classic car, a bicycle, that's it. yes, thank you. i said 70 barely miaow. anyway, long story short, you think it's fair that you should have pay to drive should have to pay to drive around own towns and tell around your own towns and tell me yourself, you and me yourself, miles, that you and a of minutes .

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, michelle dewberry i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 this evening. alongside we've got martin wright chair positive martin wright, chair of positive news charlotte , the director news and charlotte, the director of the reforms think tank. and juliette, you've been in touch saying i've got good news that the research breakthrough for dementia , the alzheimer's stuff dementia, the alzheimer's stuff as well you're absolutely right thatis as well you're absolutely right that is very positive news. well done for . that is very positive news. well done for. picking that up and flagging it to me as well, suzanne says nurses should have it written into their contract,

basically that they cannot strike. you say you think it's a disgrace that they're threatening this and that you don't think you'll be able to forgive. i have to remind everybody that i actually you do have legal staffing limits , of have legal staffing limits, of course, and things like emergency care example will still be maintained . so still be maintained. so hopefully you never know, but hopefully you never know, but hopefully they shouldn't be a loss of life or anything because of these strikes. hopefully anyway , let's move on, shall we? anyway, let's move on, shall we? the mayor of london, khan, has been accused of pricing people off london roads by expanding what we call the ulez, the ultra low emission throughout greater london . this has been quite london. this has been quite controversial because people like care, home bosses say that their staff might not be able to get to work if they've got all the cars because higher polluting will have to pay, polluting cars will have to pay, get this polluting cars will have to pay, get thi s £12.50 a day to the get this £12.50 a day to the zones. get this £12.50 a day to the zones . this is not just london, zones. this is not just london, by the way. these things have popped upi by the way. these things have popped ”p, ”p by the way. these things have popped up, up and down the uk is not a london centric thing . and not a london centric thing. and if you don't have one in your town, in the city and you're

sitting there thinking, well, why about this? we why should i care about this? we don't one, be careful don't have one, be careful because things spreading don't have one, be careful becalup things spreading don't have one, be careful becalup and gs spreading don't have one, be careful becalup and down spreading don't have one, be careful becalup and down the aading don't have one, be careful becalup and down the uk.1g don't have one, be careful becalup and down the uk. so if right up and down the uk. so if you don't have it yet, never say why do you stand on it? well, the reason that we have these things that work dirty , things is that they work dirty, polluting cars, older cars . they polluting cars, older cars. they do contribute massively to health problems. there's an college study showing 4000 londoners a year die as a result of bad air quality . 600,000 of bad air quality. 600,000 londoners suffer poor health, heart and lung conditions because of poor air quality and they did put in the ulez in london , air quality has improved london, air quality has improved . nitrogen oxides are the main has been cut by a fifth. so we've got healthier as a result . it's also worth pointing out the limits answer a draconian level 19 out of 20 vehicles

within . london meet the emission within. london meet the emission standards and most of those of many of those who don't commercial vehicles , diesel commercial vehicles, diesel vans, etc. so most people's cars most of the time will actually meet the standards and of course, a third a third of the population don't own a car. the poorest people don't own a car so much is even greater. you don't think that someone that's got an old car , i don't know. got an old car, i don't know. probably for cost reasons and perhaps can't afford to upgrade . you don't think that's going to be disproportionately penalising them . to some extent penalising them. to some extent that might a lot of cars will actually meet the standards and. i think there is a degree slight . well, i'd be a tiny bit sceptical about what the kind of home managers are saying. care homes , a lot of them don't pay homes, a lot of them don't pay their workers that generously there are other ways of people get to work you know other

organised will lay on taxis or they'll have a minibus arrangement or they'll help people do sharing or they'll even people join a local car club if . there's something like club if. there's something like that. so there are alternatives. it's not not a perfect solution . some people might lose , but a . some people might lose, but a lot of people are saying for the greater good, it's a lot of people are suffering from poor health as a result of bad air quality and. one way or another. we need to do about it. charlotte of course it's right that we have to do something about it. and you we heard the sort of numbers in terms of the health impact there , but i think health impact there, but i think it be naive not to think , of it be naive not to think, of course this is going to impact those the lowest incomes because people on higher incomes tend buy new cars, they tend to change their cars more frequently. if you want to if you're, you know, on a on a tight, you stick with the old banner. tight, you stick with the old banner . we can say that , you banner. we can say that, you know, you can the say, yeah ,

know, you can the say, yeah, well i'm going to say it because you know what that is what you know and a lot of people will love those cars but actually the brutal they can't afford brutal fact is they can't afford to borrow money you can say is thank no censoring this show which very anything exactly which is very anything exactly exactly we celebrate exactly but i think there's a real i there's a there's a really important broader point here, which is actually general, we are not doing enough thinking about how tackling climate change is an incredibly important is going to impact those who are on the lowest incomes there going to be the people who are going to be hardest are going to be the poorest in society. and this is one example of that. but there will be many other examples and we're not having enough of a conversation about that. and i just pick the point just want to pick the point about that rightly about care workers that rightly you've suggested alternative ways, the shared minibus, the carpooling. you can't that if

you're a care worker providing domiciliary i.e. going to people's homes because you have to travel throughout the whole day. there is no minibus that's going to go right. i've been to this house and i've got to go to this house and i've got to go to this house. you have to be able to drive and your right care workers are on outrageous lelo parry . but the workers are on outrageous lelo parry. but the idea that that actually adding more cost onto what is often local authority expend you're paying for these care workers by saying oh you've got to pay to upgrade that cause is again just realistic . we is again just not realistic. we do to think about poorer do have to think about poorer households and we can support them because do need to tackle things like poor air quality . we things like poor air quality. we have to do it in a way that actually isn't penalising and the poorest the poorest household don't own . you know, household don't own. you know, we've got certainly variable rates, but you also a very, very low income above that who will own . yeah and this is the band own. yeah and this is the band the idea worry about because when we say like the poorest households so if you are like the ultra poorest households in society then you get benefits

you get support whatever. and now there is now this next layer of that don't quite tick that box they for whatever reason, they just on the cusp of it whatever and they seem to be the ones that don't really get a lot of support. they do get these penalties like this. now someone's got touch with someone's just got in touch with me he's saying that him, me john. he's saying that him, him and his wife are both going be affected this. going be affected by this. it's going to them an awful of money. to cost them an awful of money. they to update they can't afford to update their they're really their cars and they're really concerned things like concerned about things like this. to is this kind this. so eye to eye is this kind group that i feel sorry for that. i feel just getting battered every which way battered from every which way with help. with very little help. it is tricky. it tricky. and i'm tricky. it is tricky. and i'm not it's a sort of not saying it's a sort of a know, a dream solution . one one know, a dream solution. one one aspect of it all is that public transport, especially outside of london, particularly outside london, particularly outside london is poor in so many areas that sometimes people in, particularly in rural, that sometimes people in, particularly in rural , they'd particularly in rural, they'd rather not have to run car or they'd rather not have to run they'd rather not have to run the car very often. but they've got no choice because buses got no choice because the buses are you know, the are rubbish. you know, the trains, trains aren't there,

trains, the trains aren't there, especially you especially up north. and so you know, investing the poorest people living in the city centre either , so they are having to either, so they are having to cut this trip , finished cut this trip, finished everything else i'm watching say improving public transport using some of the revenue, hypothecated some of the revenue from this in other words, using some the revenue that you're some of the revenue that you're you're from polluting you're taking from polluting cars in order to and it's not just car i a lot of is commercial vehicles it vans a lot of cars majority of costume standards using that to improve pubuc standards using that to improve public transport would be a good use of the money. see i worry about some of this because i know you talk about air pollution stuff and of course don't want anyone to die because of air pollution. obviously, who would? just feel like would? to me, i just feel like it's this constant war on car drivers. i look at the off drivers. i do. i look at the off of them have been turned into bus lane that pretty much bus lane is that pretty much empty most of the time anyway we haven't forbid you go in haven't would forbid you go in them. fine as them. you've got these fine as that just absolute absurd that are just absolute absurd now forbid you do now heaven forbid you do anything wrong in your car you'll be fined eyewatering of

money and i just take all these 20 mile an hour zones popping up everywhere. you've got these traffic neighbourhoods. absolutely everywhere. to me it's just like this war on in their car. and if you don't people in the car to your point. so out your public transport, then well they don't the 20 mile, 20 mile an hour zone is another matter . well, what another matter. well, what annoys me does it. well. well if you had a child at 30 miles an houn you had a child at 30 miles an hour, you usually it. yeah. if you had a child at 20 miles an hounit you had a child at 20 miles an hour, it usually. yeah. so that's fine so have these 20 mile an hour outside schools absolutely support that would only children why then . because only children why then. because it's not just outside schools they're everywhere but in cities they're everywhere but in cities the average speed of traffic is lower than 20 miles an hour. so if have a 20 mile an hour limit andifs if have a 20 mile an hour limit and it's not only free road, but if you haven't to mile an hour limit, you tend to get traffic flowing fairly smoothly, fairly smoothly. it not going to be flowing more smoothly if it now

again goes up to 30 miles an houn again goes up to 30 miles an hour. and you have a guy who's been stuck in traffic, you suddenly up to 30 miles an hour because he's impatient city. and that's where it's a danger of being applied to lots of areas in countryside. that 20 mile in the countryside. that 20 mile an is being applied to an hour is now being applied to lots, that it's being lots, villages that it's being appued lots, villages that it's being applied live in a applied to. in fact. i live in a village that has just had a 20 mile an hour introduced of a 30 and i baffled as to why it shouldn't although shouldn't go at 33, although i would much rather go 30 by honestly . and know, i don't honestly. and you know, i don't remember the last time i saw a small child walking. so but if what you're saying anyways the average speed of cars in traffic is less than 20 anywhere. well you don't need a 20 mile an hour zone then because if you've got loads of traffic, everyone's going average speed and speed, not that's the yes. not whole time. that's the yes. and the roads are and then when the roads are quiet. i don't four in quiet. so like i don't four in the morning of alma care work and i'm just going from one. i also know there's not also know that there's not a soul on the street certainly, not shouldn't have not kids. you shouldn't have a kid out wandering the streets at five in the morning. why do i

need be miles an hour? need to be 20 miles an hour? would possible to have would be possible to have smarter limits adjust smarter speed limits that adjust to condition and the time of to the condition and the time of day traffic, etc, etc. and, you know, a little bit further down the line, i imagine we might have that applied in cities just as you see on motorways, you know, you suddenly see a sign saying 50 miles an hour. so i imagine there might be technical, technological of imagine there might be tebitlical, technological of imagine there might be tebitlical, teaboutogical of imagine there might be tebitlical, teabout well, of imagine there might be tebitlical, teabout well, you of a bit clever about well, you tell me your thoughts on all of that. i use someone that is that. so i use someone that is worried about being able to worried about, being able to afford to own your car. are you someone that's other side someone that's on the other side of says absolutely of the fence says absolutely people in their people shouldn't be in their cars. tell your thoughts, cars. so tell me your thoughts, gp views is my email. i'm going to take a quick break. gp views is my email. i'm going to take a quick break . we come to take a quick break. we come back. i'm going to have some of your thoughts. lots you your thoughts. lots of you are emailing in. george says there's always someone trying to make excuses and more and excuses for more and more and more controls. think he more controls. and i think he means talking about speed means you talking about speed limit it's good to limit on the right. it's good to take a break. when we come take a quick break. when we come back, have lots of back, i will have lots more of your thoughts i want to talk your thoughts and i want to talk to about day working weeks is the future if you get paid the

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channel hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co me michelle dewberry keeping me company till 7:00 tonight. my panel martin is the chair of positive news and charlotte pickles is the director of the reform. think i'm pleased to report that lots of you sensible individuals out there agree with me with my little roundabouts miles an houn little roundabouts miles an hour. i like that is very good some people of they're agreeing with what you're saying in terms

of lower the speed the higher possibility not hurt children which of course. right. but my argument is, well, kids not roaming around absolutely everywhere of all of the day, are they? or at least they shouldn't be anyway. many of again, i say pretty much again, i would say pretty much divided on the whole issue in terms of where you stand on that on the car front, maureen says michelle, my diesel car was , 17 michelle, my diesel car was, 17 years old. i bought it when blair told people to buy diesel . i've only got 41,000 miles on the clock. maintain it the clock. i maintain it regularly and it looks like regularly and now it looks like i'm going go without i'm going to have to go without my from next august. this, my car from next august. this, she says, is deeply unfair. i have say i agree with you . have say i agree with you. right. let's talk work, shall we? 100 british companies have signed up for a four day working week without paying staff week without paying their staff any . what do you think of any less. what do you think of this ? is this going to be the this? is this going to be the future of british working going forward, perhaps i might lobby. my boss might on strike, my boss might go on strike, might i don't want to do one might say i don't want to do one day too fast and i might go on strike. i'm fortunate for me that popular replacement

that the popular replacement won't go won't even notice. i'll go missing pick missing anyway. martin i'll pick up on this four day up with you on this four day working weeks. i'm always remind of parkinson's law, you know, work fill the amount work expands to fill the amount of available i think of time available it. i think this is a fascinating experiment and in some ways you could say it could be kind a new it could be kind of a new bargain between employers employees so if as an employees you know so if as an employees you know so if as an employee if part of the workforce invited to really crack on when you're at work really know not allow really focus you know not allow those watercooler conversations to over past 2 minutes not to go over past 2 minutes not spend too much time what zapping your friends weekend plans and so on. maybe come in early , so on. maybe come in early, early and come in an hour earlier , stay an hour later and earlier, stay an hour later and then return you get a day off . then return you get a day off. you can you can see that working quite well , potentially, of quite well, potentially, of course , it's tricky in other course, it's tricky in other areas. i think this tends to 6my areas. i think this tends to apply mainly to office work. i might be wrong, but i think what is being tried out, it's in offices and you can imagine it's very different for self—employed. lots self—employed people work, you

know, six days a week, seven days a week . but know, six days a week, seven days a week. but i think it's going to be really interesting to see what happens , because i to see what happens, because i suspect that if we get away , the suspect that if we get away, the automatic assumption you work five days, you have to days off at weekends . we could learn some at weekends. we could learn some things . at weekends. we could learn some things. individuals taking responsibility . to really show responsibility. to really show up at work and there could be some quite interesting results from it so i think it's we can't yet until quite a few different organisations and quite a few different sectors have given a go. charlotte i mean sure if someone wants pay me the same amount as i get and i can do less work then mean that's your dream isn't exactly i think, i mean many of the points i think have been made i think one of the biggest challenges with this is fact the it's another thing we were just talking about in terms of the low emission that does this slightly you know a

benefit the wealthier and penalise poorer i think is exactly this point if you are working on an hourly wage , does working on an hourly wage, does this apply to you? because if you're paid by the hour and you do hours. so is everybody also increase the hourly wage and? most people who work in low paid jobs are on an hourly wages, not salaries . as we've already heard salaries. as we've already heard you know. if actually you look at the companies have signed up to this experiment that's going on the largely kind of professional service tech industry . they're very small industry. they're very small companies as. industry. they're very small companies as . well, on the whole companies as. well, on the whole know is this going to apply to a big supermarket or to care a care home business probably ? not care home business probably? not so. i think it's a nice idea. but do i think it's realistic to 6my but do i think it's realistic to apply across industry ? probably apply across industry? probably not. i mean, nobody's suggesting as a regulation or as a law, you

know, this is just individual companies experimenting know. but there a big campaign and you know it's been floated within the labour party as well around doing four day weeks, you know the have talked about it the unions have talked about it . a growing . there's definitely a growing movement him and i think the productivity questions are interesting, and yes, interesting, you know and yes, of course there will be, you know , some individuals that are know, some individuals that are going to say something, something rude, which i won't. but take the mic at work and you know, don't put in hours. no actually i that's more about how you run your organisation the leadership of those organisations you treat your workers but things like cooler, the water cooler moment mentioned , you know that's one mentioned, you know that's one of the, you know, the moments where often you get creativity , where often you get creativity, you get kind of, you know, morale boosting. you get team members knowing each other. you don't cut all that don't want to cut all that stuff. fact, that one of stuff. in fact, that was one of the things about people the worst things about people transitioning work from transitioning to work from home. you those moments you didn't get those moments where someone suddenly sparks an idea. i think of the most

idea. i think one of the most destructive things about the lockdowns shift lockdowns and the shift to working home, linda, one of working from home, linda, one of my is she's quite harsh. my view is she's quite harsh. she's saying four day week. she's saying a four day week. michelle her words, mine. michelle her words, not mine. she's saying , michelle her words, not mine. she's saying, you're michelle her words, not mine. she's saying , you're to she's saying, you're going to give who are all give the british who are all ready, enough. she's an ready, lazy enough. she's an excuse to be even lazy . iceland excuse to be even lazy. iceland are harsh. go i tell you though, one of the things that makes me ponder when i about four day weeks and stuff i've always been against this as a principle i'm starting to warm to idea is starting to warm to the idea is universal basic income and a i used to respond exactly like you. if anyone suggested to me, i bet i got what a lunatic but the more i think about you know, we're messing around. we've got, like, all of kind of you. like, all of this kind of you. you're with this one to you're helping with this one to helping with medical helping with that medical benefit this that benefit so you've got this that the if everyone you the other if everyone had you know know just say know well i don't know just say i'm making my figures way to i'm making my figures the way to just say 5000 quid a month everyone everybody you everyone everybody then you could work that you enjoyed could do work that you enjoyed the that you could the thought that you could do whatever rid of the whatever you'd get rid of the benefits be entirely benefits this would be entirely unaffordable you about

unaffordable. well you say about that about affordable that you say about affordable actually you was on and i'm actually if you was on and i'm thinking i'm a because i haven't acted my sums to able to acted on my sums to be able to come back a robust affordability plan. i do i do so i'm going to do homework someone tell do my homework and someone tell you how i would afford you exactly how i would afford it. politicians say it. but i know politicians say i can it's i fit right in, can afford it's i fit right in, but yeah i do think is a promise. well you think it's a little promise. universal basic income. have lots of income. there have been lots of experiment and most of experiment with it. and most of the with the experiments been at a with a some that you couldn't actually live some that you couldn't actually uve you some that you couldn't actually live you know there have been live on you know there have been sort of 5000 a year been sort of 5000 a year not been universal basic also have not universal or basic also have not been involved universal. basic. universal or basic also have not bee|i involved universal. basic. universal or basic also have not bee|i think'ed universal. basic. universal or basic also have not bee|i think id universal. basic. universal or basic also have not bee|i think i think'ersal. basic. universal or basic also have not bee|i think i think it sal. basic. universal or basic also have not bee|i think i think it isl. basic. universal or basic also have not bee|i think i think it is an asic. but i think i think it is an idea will coming back idea that will coming back particularly more to particularly as we move more to automation and think it's interesting there was a survey done a few years ago showing that and i wish i could remember the precise number but it's around 80% of people basically hate their jobs. around 80% of people basically hate their jobs . and you think hate their jobs. and you think and you think on you know, we're supposed to bring us the positive it's we've got diane well we've we've had 6000 years of human civilisation we've got

to the point where 80% of us, you know, spend most of our waking hours doing something we don't want to you know, if there's a way we can start there's a way that we can start to explore some alternatives to that would be a good idea and whether it would be a combination of technology of economic like basic economic initiatives like basic income, a four day working week, who knows ? let's try and get who knows? let's try and get a bit creative. like where we're spending a hell of a lot more money without bringing any more in in this scenario. so i have i have looked at universal basic income. you know, i worked for duncan smith when he was actually for state work and pensions. so, you know, i did a lot of i have done a lot of work on welfare to actually again, to your point, actually get what is a universal basic income enough for be able to live on for somebody be able to live on it be proof soundly it would be proof soundly unaffordable profoundly unaffordable profoundly unaffordable . and the other unaffordable. and the other thing people don't think about in this scenario is that we don't have a benefit system that treats equally. and i mean that in so if you're in a good way. so if you're profoundly disabled you probably

get amount get more than that amount a month you couldn't extra month so you couldn't extra money to give exceptions in my little clown if there was someone that was disabled and needed more assistance for their care, obviously i wouldn't care, then obviously i wouldn't let go without. anyway, let them go without. but anyway, i know. it was just the i don't know. it was just the thought . i don't know. it was just the thought. mean, i don't know. it was just the thought . mean, your thought. i mean, are your thoughts on carol says, thoughts on it? carol says, well, michelle as well, michelle france as a doctor, 45 hour years doctor, the 45 hour week years ago, that's worked ago, that's as worked brilliantly says it's time we move the idea of x our days and why day weeks this was all basically happened back to the industry era where more hours basically spent on a factory had a direct correlation with output. he says move on from all of that . tell me your thoughts. of that. tell me your thoughts. gb news gbnews.uk speaking of the world of work, by the way, labour reckoned it would slash penalties on those job seekers , penalties on those job seekers, you know, get you sanctions. don't go on your benefits labour would look to reduce them. they say that treating jobseekers like criminals do you agree with that or not tell me and i'll see you into .

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co me michelle dewberry keeping me company right through till 7:00 tonight is martin wright, the chair. till 7:00 tonight is martin wright, the chair . positive wright, the chair. positive news. i'm charlotte pickles, director of the reform think tank. i've got a couple of messages during the break about that whole four day working week . there's been suggestion . there's been some suggestion for at home you're for my viewers at home you're saying this basically has been dreamt up by what you think is civil servants. you're saying that business wouldn't that runs a business wouldn't have the whole concept of you can work four days but we paid for five i hear what you're saying now i have say michael , saying now i have say michael, what you say it is you reckon the people in the public sector that are doing this, i don't know if it is. you know, i think there are private sectors trialling as well as then, says michelle near michelle you're getting near communism . me, i think communism. me, i don't think i've ever been called a

communist a first time for communist as a first time for everything i what i've everything. i know what i've said that would give you that impression, giving everybody a universal basic income, treating everyone and handing universal basic income, treating eve cash. and handing universal basic income, treating eve cash. oh, and handing universal basic income, treating eve cash. oh, yes. and handing universal basic income, treating eve cash. oh, yes. knowhanding universal basic income, treating eve cash. oh, yes. know whatng out cash. oh, yes. know what i did say? it's be fair me. did say? it's be fair to me. i say i've always like pooh poohed this, had also been on this, but now i had also been on houday this, but now i had also been on holiday long. but i just i don't know. i don't to see people struggle. course i don't. and i don't like complex get a benefit systems systems complex systems tax systems are complex so think can remove so i just think can remove complexity might be food complexity might be an idea food for thought saying we have for thought not saying we have to it but to say just for an to do it but to say just for an outlet you know anyway let's speak about we've just been talking world work. talking about the world of work. you've that you you've just mentioned that you were adviser ian were a former adviser to ian duncan—smith, you're duncan—smith, that you're a great to ask about this great person to ask about this labour reckon if they get into power they would the power they would reduce the sanctions benefit sanctions. power they would reduce the sanctio thatenefit sanctions. power they would reduce the sanctio that are it sanctions. power they would reduce the sanctio that are looking)ns.work power they would reduce the stheyythat are looking)ns.work power they would reduce the s theyy that a now oking )ns.work power they would reduce the stheyy that a now that|)ns.work power they would reduce the stheyy that a now that there'srk . they saying now that there's a suggestion that people suggestion perhaps that people are almost treated like criminals, words, criminals, their words, not mine. jobseekers. mine. if the jobseekers. where do it ? so i'm mine. if the jobseekers. where do it? so i'm not do you stand on it? so i'm not sure. it's 100% clear exactly what labour arguing here is. probably the first thing to say. it's not a fair carry on. i

mean, you may very well say that, but if we're thinking about what the basic principles that should underpin a welfare system , then the idea you should system, then the idea you should you something for doing something is really important way of creating a little bit legitimate welfare system and people people out there are very well we'll see your viewers think but very clear that they think but very clear that they think that if you are receiving money via taxpayer so from the state but funded by taxpayers if you're receiving benefits and you're receiving benefits and you can work so we're not talking about with significant disabilities who aren't able to work if you can and you're not working it is perfectly acceptable in fact it's completely justified to say you should actively looking for work. you be able to refuse work if it's offered to you because it's not the state's responsibility to just fund someone who is choosing ing to be on benefits , but you have to be on benefits, but you have to seek to back up. and that's where conditionality comes in and that's where sanctions come in. so if i decide , you know

in. so if i decide, you know what, i'm out of work and actually benefits are very low so i don't think this applies to many people but i'm out of work. i don't really want work. you i don't really want to work. you know, got my benefit coming know, i've got my benefit coming in like ubi, but not not in like my ubi, but not not universal. i've got my benefits coming and actually i'm not going anything. well then going to do anything. well then it's that the state it's legitimate that the state should if you're not should say, well, if you're not going do your bit, if you're going to do your bit, if you're not keep your end of not going to keep your end of the you know, sort of the kind of, you know, sort of semi contract we've got, then we're deduct some of we're going to deduct some of that you. that's that money from you. that's perfectly that. is perfectly acceptable that. is the definition of a fair system to largely . yes. to a great massive largely. yes. i mean, it's interesting the now that you're a born again, communist, michelle. i really enjoy me quoting i'll move to china at this point i think it was from the communist manifesto but i can't remember that phrase from each according his ability to each according to his needs and you know and sometimes sometimes i think the left slightly forgets the first part of that in other words everyone

should contribute everyone should contribute everyone should contribute everyone should contribute to society in one form or another. i think that the slight downside or the element that labour are criticising, i jobcentre i've criticising, ijobcentre i've not been a jobcentre for a while but i know they can be pretty dispiriting places. they're pretty tough places to work for the people who are working there . and i imagine i'm sort of being devil's advocate tiny bit here. i imagine what labour of gunning for is if people are just treated like you're going to scam us, aren't you? you know , it can be pretty dispiriting for them and it would be nice . for them and it would be nice. that was more of a focus on. okay how are we going to help you contribute society and have some dignity in feeling you're contributing society , doing contributing to society, doing worthwhile work ? you know, i worthwhile work? you know, i think the rise in apprenticeships is quite a positive thing. i think we need to do a lot more of that. but there examples there's there are examples there's something going to be in something we're going to be in positive as an outfit in positive news as an outfit in manchester, which is training long term people in joinery ,

long term people in joinery, plastering and tiling and insulation and to work in social housing. it's been really successful, small, private company. so helping people rediscover some dignity through work, i think that's part and parcel of it all. i agree. and actually i have to say, well, i think that we need to look at how we do skilled people give help people to get skills be reskilled. katie says could help the michelle by the jobseekers michelle by making the jobcentre work properly i've got to say i did have a run in once upon a time a while ago where the jobcentre with a a whack coach the with a job, a whack coach the call they were absolutely gormless and i thought to myself, you're myself, goodness me, you're supposed helping me supposed be helping me get a job. then you wonder why job. and then you wonder why a lot actually lot of people actually struggling. yeah, could struggling. but yeah, you could do more. you help do a lot more. couldn't you help people? help lots of positive news coming in, by the way. new people, being born, people, new babies being born, people, new babies being born, people grandparent people, new babies being born, peoplethat's grandparent people, new babies being born, peoplethat's whatirandparent people, new babies being born, peoplethat's what iandparent people, new babies being born, peoplethat's what i like arent again. that's what i like to say. nigel up next. nigel say. nigel is up next. nigel good evening. someone is not happy with me saying you mentioning christmas again in november packet say nigel you got your christmas decorations up . nope haven't thought about

up. nope haven't thought about it yet, but i will the 1st of december tomorrow i'll start beginning to think about. i promise some extraordinary exchanges in the house of commons. today i actually genuinely wonder on illegal immigration whether the prime minister sunak actually deluded . i'll be debating that and asking you your reactions to it that much else besides. but first, let's get the all important weather . hello aidan important weather. hello aidan mcgivern from the met office . mcgivern from the met office. dufing mcgivern from the met office. during the next 24 hours we're going to move into new month and a new meteorological season and it will certainly feel that way with a lot of low cloud. mr. fog and feeling chilly for many us high at the moment the high pressure at the moment the east of the uk is bringing a lot of settled weather blocking weather fronts from moving in from the west, this one from the west, although this one across northern ireland, the west and scotland has been allowed been bringing allowed in. that's been bringing some northern ireland some weather to northern ireland dunng . some weather to northern ireland during . the rain reaches during the day. the rain reaches west the northern scotland by west in the northern scotland by midnight and then it starts to spill into the rest of scotland

the of england as well. by the north of england as well. by dawn across england dawn elsewhere across england and , lot cloud and wales, lot of low cloud mist, dense fog patches and a frost in places minus two, minus three celsius for some sheltered spots. first thing. so a gloomy cold start to the day . poor cold start to the day. poor visibility on the roads. first thing, that's something to watch out especially for central out for, especially for central and parts of england and southern parts of england and southern parts of england and wales . the fog will and east wales. the fog will gradually lift into low clouds and skies will brighten for southern parts of england , of southern parts of england, of wales, scotland and northern ireland. meanwhile, stay largely cloudy with outbreaks of rain clearing east through the day. mild in the northwest 11 celsius cold weather we've some stubborn fog, slow to clear across central england i think 2 to 5 celsius here. and that fog of once again on thursday nights another night with low cloud mist fog full , visibility in mist fog full, visibility in places and a touch of frost in those areas where we keep the clear skies staying damp in the north—east of england, eastern scotland. but drier elsewhere and a little milder for western scotland and northern ireland as

we start off friday. but generally a cold start for many now through , friday, we're going now through, friday, we're going to see the rain eventually dry out across north eastern parts of the uk. another area of rain approaches the north—west of scotland, but elsewhere plenty of fine weather staying for the most part and an increased easterly breeze . the weekend easterly breeze. the weekend will bring a reduction in folk but also bring some colder.

tonight on average be asking is the pm deluded when he says he's going to solve the cross—channel illegal migration problem. we'll go to matt. letitia after england's win and ask is it coming ? i'll talk to two west coming? i'll talk to two west countries fishermen about the extent which they're being persecuted by british

authorities . and