tonight on average be asking is the pm deluded when he says he's going to solve the cross—channel illegal migration problem. we'll go to matt. letitia after england's win and ask is it coming .7 i'll talk to two west coming.7 i'll talk to two west countries fishermen about the extent which they're being persecuted by british authorities . and joining me on authorities. and joining me on talking pints norris, former mp mayoral candidate for london and a man with a lot to say about city cab. all of that coming up

in just a moment. but first, let's get the news with tatiana sanchez. let's get the news with tatiana sanchez . thank you, nigel. this sanchez. thank you, nigel. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the prince of wales says there's place for racism in society . the statement coming society. the statement coming after royal aide was forced to resign . comments made at a resign. comments made at a reception in guernsey, forlani, who's the founder of a domestic abuse charity , says she was abuse charity, says she was repeatedly asked by prince william's godmother where she really came from . lady susan really came from. lady susan hussey then challenged her after she told her she was born in the uk and is british. kensington palace says the comments were unacceptable and it was right for her to step aside with immediate effect . more than immediate effect. more than 10,000 ambulance workers have voted to strike across nine trusts in england and wales next month. unite union the latest to announce staff walkouts there

joining thousands of 999 call handlers. ambulance technician and paramedics who are also set to walk off the job are the strikes will hit national rail as well as other train operators and more than 100 eurostar staff will stop . the announcements will stop. the announcements follow today's action by university and college union members and postal workers . the members and postal workers. the government has asked police the use of 400 cells to house prisoners because of overcrowding. presidents minister damian hinds mps there's been an unprecedented increase in the number of offenders over the last few months . he says it's partly due months. he says it's partly due to the criminal bar association's strike the summer, which saw more on remand . hey which saw more on remand. hey just be will close 114 bank branches across the uk . it says branches across the uk. it says the decision comes as remote banking soars in popularity with mobile app users almost tripling in 2017. the bank has also seen a decline in fitful since the

covid pandemic. it plans to invest tens of millions of pounds, updating its remaining branches , a major trial of an branches, a major trial of an alzheimer's drug has shown for the first time that early stages the first time that early stages the disease can be slowed . the disease can be slowed. scientists found after 18 monthly cat and lab stored progression by 27% compared with patients taking a placebo. however warn as the medicine works , the initial stages of the works, the initial stages of the disease most won't benefit unless there's a revolution in spotting it . labour leader sir spotting it. labour leader sir keir starmer has accused the prime minister of being during a heated pmqs this afternoon. rishi sunak came under fire from the opposition . private school the opposition. private school funding failure to maintain housebuilding targets and the latest series of industrial . the latest series of industrial. the prime minister has visited a christmas market on downing street. a warning for tv viewers . video we're about to show

contains flash photography , contains flash photography, rishi sunak and wife visited the food and drinks market at number ten, promoting british small businesses over the christmas period. they spend their time speaking to business owners , speaking to business owners, smelling candles and an array of cheeses. smelling candles and an array of cheeses . tv online and dab+ cheeses. tv online and dab+ radio. this is now it's back to thrash thrash . thrash thrash. good evening . let's bring you up good evening. let's bring you up to speed, shall we.7 on good evening. let's bring you up to speed, shall we? on 430 people crossed the english yesterday. tuesday the official figure was 884. nearly all young men, mostly albania. and today we don't quite yet know the numbers , but it almost certainly numbers, but it almost certainly will be over 500. that's over 2000 this week. the ftx reception centre will be full

once again and hotels will be filling up all over the country , especially in seaside holiday towns . it gets worse and worse . towns. it gets worse and worse. it's through 44,000. if the calm weather continues. goodness knows what the numbers may . and knows what the numbers may. and yet in minister's questions today , rishi sunak was asked today, rishi sunak was asked a question about brexit. this was his response forwardly. i was proud to support brexit . it was proud to support brexit. it was the right thing for this country . it allowed it allowed. it allows us to first of all, get control our borders, which is incredibly important emerging from migration . it allows us to from migration. it allows us to take control of our borders in which case prime minister and the two preceding prime ministers, all let's add mrs. may and as well, why haven't you done it? because we're not controlling borders in any way . controlling borders in any way. all. legal immigration is now at an all time record . illegal

an all time record. illegal immigration is out of control to simply say it allows us to control borders. i mean, what is this man thinking? but it got worse because paul , who was the worse because paul, who was the conservative member of parliament for peterborough, got up and made this point. parliament for peterborough, got up and made this point . the up and made this point. the number of people crossing the channelis number of people crossing the channel is a national emergency. the number of migrants in hotels is a national emergency. isn't it time we a cobra style committee involving the dwp dialogue, the home office led by number ten to tackle this crisis . i'm going to stop. mr. speaken . i'm going to stop. mr. speaker, i share my honourable friend's frustration and. i want to reassure him that we do whatever it takes to reduce the of illegal crossings to this country , to take any new powers country, to take any new powers that we need. i look forward to working with him to ensure we can do that because this fundamentally about our sovereignty, mr. speaker, and the control our . the proper control of our. whilst the labour party have tried every measure we tried oppose every measure we have taken, we will keep going

because we need to make that we stop the crossings . no prime stop the crossings. no prime minister paul bristow mp just a bit frustrated . he's asking you bit frustrated. he's asking you to declare an emergency that was simply brushed aside. and then the pm says we will do whatever it takes . he must be deluded , he it takes. he must be deluded, he will not do whatever it takes it will not do whatever it takes it will need redefine ending the 1951 deficit of a refugee designed in an age when might be murdered if . they weren't given murdered if. they weren't given refugee status not given the huge numbers of people who are basically economic migrants. number two, it will mean us leaving the european convention on human rights, amending the human act in this country. three major, big changes that need to be put in place. otherwise, i promise you folks, nothing is going to change. and i've said it before and i'll say it again. this issue alone will bring down the conservative party at the

next election and yet he stands there as have previous home secretaries and prime ministers, promising us they will do whatever they need to do. i think he deluded. he's kidding himself that somehow it's going to be sorted out when he hasn't got the resolve to do it. do you agree with me? is he deluded? are gb news dot uk ? i really are gb news dot uk? i really think that he is now that we like to have a bit of good news . gb news. and i thought actually england . winning three actually england. winning three nil against wales was a bit of news. we're joined by former southampton and england star matt le tissier. matt, good evening. i was i was you on friday when we a fairly shall we say pretty average maybe even dismal performance against the against the usa last night was a lot better wasn't it . it was lot better wasn't it. it was a lot better wasn't it. it was a lot better. unfortunate i don't think the opposition were were

up too much, quite frankly . up too much, quite frankly. pretty disappointed with the welsh in this tournament as i as i'm sure many of their fans are. yes it was a very good win . i yes it was a very good win. i don't think they were given a particularly great game . but we particularly great game. but we have to take the positives and. the second half, especially, i thought was very, very good from the england side and it could have been a more. there were a couple of other chances that probably have been put in and it could have been four or five normally at this stage of a turnaround, whether it's a world poll, whether it's a european championship. normally at stage, you know, there are flags flying off, you know, car windows . off, you know, car windows. there's a general sense of buzz and excitement and somehow this qatari world cup being held in the middle of the english premier season, the huge arguments and rallies about customs and cultures, which are rather to ours, it doesn't feel

like there's an awful lot of energy. i'm not hearing it's coming home, playing out . is coming home, playing out. is that because qatar was a bad choice of world cup location ? or choice of world cup location? or is it because english colour? no, we're not really going to win this ? well, i think there's win this? well, i think there's another option to that. and i think lot of it has to do with the time of year the tournament is being played. know we've spent decades watching world cups , the sun shining and in a cups, the sun shining and in a nice mood . and yet in the middle nice mood. and yet in the middle of winter with , the you know, of winter with, the you know, the nights are drawing in, the temperatures are dropping . it temperatures are dropping. it doesn't put everybody in the right frame of mind. i think . right frame of mind. i think. and i think that's one of the reasons why we've what we've said, a lack of and perhaps, you know, a of events that are know, a of big events that are taking that where people will go sit in their hundreds and thousands and the game . and what thousands and the game. and what do you think might how far how far do you think we can go ? i

far do you think we can go? i certainly think we can get past the round of 16. i think senegal is a team that really should be beating. i know there's been some in this in this competition far. and you don't want to take anything for granted. but i think when you look at the two teams on paper, i think we certainly have the strongest side. so. so i think it's a very good chance of going through to the finals, at which the quarter finals, at which stage chances will stage the chances are will probably make france. and i think that will be a huge challenge for us and i think that will probably be the most important one of its own almost. i think if we get france , then i think if we get france, then i think we can start believing perhaps we can win this thing , perhaps we can win this thing, right? let's hope so. final thought i can with you, matt, and gary lineker, the high preacher of the football commentary world, the bbc's highest person , giving us many highest person, giving us many moral lectures over the years on a variety of issues including

all that is wrong with qatar . we all that is wrong with qatar. we learned a few days ago that actually between 2009 and 13, he had £1.6 million working for a holy qatar owned sports channel. any thoughts on position? but then it finds himself ? yes, then it finds himself? yes, i think gary needs to be very careful with of the stuff that he spouts quite because the word cricket and gary lineker may be used in the same sentence. quite few times over the next few weeks. so yeah, i he perhaps needs to just be careful with his words and remember what he's donein his words and remember what he's done in the past. his words and remember what he's done in the past . very good. done in the past. very good. a very i thought there about that .thank very i thought there about that . thank you very much for joining us this evening at. i tell you what folks he's not that diplomatic in private promise you. in a moment will have a look at literally victimisation of small in devon

and cornwall in this country. we thought with brexit so much was going to improve for our fishermen and their families thus far it doesn't really appear to be happening .

well, i asked you i asked you, what do you think is sunak deluded when he says he's going to stop the boats crossing the engush to stop the boats crossing the english channel? i really, honestly think he is. jane says they're all deluded . every they're all deluded. every single party is deluded of them. live in the real world. you only have to look at the situation we are in to see that , pippa says are in to see that, pippa says he doesn't rate that highly. nigel ignorant of anything not enclosed in his little bubble. well not much support the rishi sunakin well not much support the rishi sunak in on the illegal migration problem . that perhaps migration problem. that perhaps is not a great surprise , but one

is not a great surprise, but one here that i found interesting . here that i found interesting. maria made this comment utterly clueless . can you maria made this comment utterly clueless. can you imagine? sunak chatting on the beach or on the harbour to . wall no, of course harbour to. wall no, of course not. as he's not in in a way with folks that was. well, joining me are two british fishermen. we got jack from devon, we got alan fairless from cornwall . brexit. the brexit cornwall. brexit. the brexit debate. you know, i for years the real prize was to get back our territory waters the minimum was 12 miles around the coast that would be there for you guys and for us it didn't happen . and for us it didn't happen. your industry voted about 90% in favour of brexit . alan tell me, favour of brexit. alan tell me, you know, six years on from the vote, is there any benefit yet for fishing? no, none at all that. but now absolutely none . that. but now absolutely none. gosh, that's depressing . we gosh, that's depressing. we haven't seen anything at all.

no, it's just as bad as not worse . we need to take control worse. we need to take control and at least get all the foreign boats excited . french. and that boats excited. french. and that from our shores because . yeah. from our shores because. yeah. we've got control to six miles before . what i can understand of before. what i can understand of it right along the south coast from kent to cornwall there are a very large number of eu boats fishing on that six mile line, massive as that's ridiculous. you look oh on yes or on a marine . yeah. when it's flowing marine. yeah. when it's flowing the railway and all the french boats are in tied up and it's plastered with french and belgian, dutch fishing vessels right . six miles. absolutely right. six miles. absolutely slaughter in our ground and there's nothing we can do about it it. should at least be at the 12 miles. at least i think you know i actually the faroes iceland norway have 200 miles. international law allows you up to 200 miles that you're in control of. there's a heck of a lot more to do. i that you boys

feel let down but what i'm particular on talk about is four years we talked about the common fisheries policy the iniquities of the common fisheries policy . of the common fisheries policy. what talked about what we've not talked about enough the british enough is the way the british authorities or, in your case, english. cornish and devon inshore fisheries authorities have been treating small individual british fishermen . individual british fishermen. alan, you've had a case of really being somewhat victimised by these people very , much so. by these people very, much so. in 2016, i was boarded by a fishery officer . nicholas fishery officer. nicholas saunders i'm a nutter and a potter . i'm allowed crab claws potter. i'm allowed crab claws out of a nets, which i nine kilos on board because i was hauung kilos on board because i was hauling pots. she straightaway decided that they come over pots . she then started cautioning me and the next is i get a letter through asking to go in for an i said no problem , do it via said no problem, do it via correspondence . i took legal correspondence. i took legal advice from a good friend of

chris wills who wrote to them and then the dispute was over the crab claws . i told them they the crab claws. i told them they come in nets, which i'm allowed. they haven't me any evidence to show . they come out of pots show. they come out of pots whatsoever . but basically you're whatsoever. but basically you're guilty. you've got prove, you're just right. and furthermore, they targeted me for late shellfish returns, which i like lots of other boats . i've got lots of other boats. i've got the data showing it , which i the data showing it, which i showed you earlier. i looked through of hundreds of other boats it but they just targeted me . why well, i think the me. why well, i think the principal officer a court case against me in 1999 for obstruction. again he accused me of something and i think he held a grudge. okay. well, he may have , but either way, you were have, but either way, you were targeted and your case is astonishing because you've just finished six years. yeah of legal action . ensure you were legal action. ensure you were fishing in a permitted area .

fishing in a permitted area. yeah, but you were holding sorting out fish and then drifted the boat drifted into a thing . we got a small corridor thing. we got a small corridor to work in this area over working, so we trawl up and down the corridor as we come towards the corridor as we come towards the end of it, hold the up into the end of it, hold the up into the bow boats still in gearjust the bow boats still in gear just in slow on autopilot goes into the no go. so which is perfectly to without time you go and then you turn the boat. so it's clear of the rocks going along. so and then that so fish out everything like that . turn around, come like that. turn around, come back and shoot away and back in the go. so now what turning around is they're saying you fish in speed and in the no go zone because , same speed with a zone because, same speed with a boat just in gear on low reps is , flat out trawling. they say you fish and your fishing space. they say you'll they'll go yeah that's it but you decided to fight this. i mean what i mean they were going to find you obviously for this. we did. i got dragged in for an interview, start. i told them everything

happened and they sat to see exactly what you've been doing. but we think you've been fishing. so six years of absolute hell with me and my family go through 25, 30 days in courts. courts all over the place just because they think which is no good and never go for court in magistrates court. we never stood a chance because the prosecutor in offer opposed as an expert where we was told not to and i was just a fisherman i wasn't on that boat and this is all costing money it's costing me money all the time i to borrow on cards to pay for the lawyer at the time we got fined . 20 t o £22000 each got fined. 20 to £22000 each myself in the skipper and then if it wasn't for and telling i could appeal to a crown court and do it myself. so that's what did i said to them you an there at the end of it and they said well good for you and you've walked. he's one. yeah. you know jack's won a really big victory

from of fishing news and all the rest of it and yet and. yeah. and alan you've backed him all the way on this and given him great advice. and you're a fighter. clearly, he's won. but look cost of well look at the cost of it. well that's right. i know where the if work. unfortunately, if could work. unfortunately, there lawyer fred howe there isn't a lawyer fred howe that's name names go but that's not name names go but he's freelance and he just tries run up massive legal fees people that can't afford to fight back . so i've so i know the he works and so did judges the judges are used to have magistrates think he's lovely bloke hence your crown court judgement which in the end grew right. yeah but but we have to ask ourselves a question. you know, we know that officialdom can excessive and can be over the top . yeah we can be over the top. yeah we know that you guys are at the smaller end of the industry or not the big multi—million pound businesses and you're a softer target but what are they trying to do these inshore fisheries committees are they trying to

close down the local the. no, i don't i don't think up the law enough because they're as bad as basically devon and cornwall that's using prosecutor only . that's using prosecutor only. right. they weren't like it beforehand and i think they've exactly what judge ledford has just said in his judgement. exactly what judge ledford has just said in his judgement . they just said in his judgement. they believe a crime has been committed they don't investigate it properly, they don't interview , they use a lawyer to interview, they use a lawyer to run up massive legal fees so that people will cave in because the average working person cannot afford to. this man didn't cave in. no no. he was very lucky. the savers , like us very lucky. the savers, like us all went on my own and daniel saw me the first of quite a letter from the of operations saying that marsh was no good on its own which is vessel monitoring system which measure which shows you are where boaters heading and cause it that's it. so it doesn't fishing brought this letter in and the judge even said this is a big significance could fall flat on its face you need to sort this

out from there they totally ignored it so they ignored the director operation since we got a letter the same from goodwill from the house of lords , they from the house of lords, they ignored that. they just kept going, thinking, not given . i going, thinking, not given. i had a lot of help . sarah ruddy, had a lot of help. sarah ruddy, the lawyer yes. as she got older, peter , which helped us older, peter, which helped us immense , shirley as well knew immense, shirley as well knew exactly what he was doing. i mean, you do need some friends when you're david against goliath. you told some friends with you, but you clearly had them. was judge that them. was a retired judge that he out of retirement do he came out of retirement to do this. fantastic way . it's this. it's a fantastic way. it's a fantastic win. but you've been through a lot you've missed out its money missed out its you money you've missed out on at sea how many days on days at sea but how many days in court ? i would say 25 to 33 in court? i would say 25 to 33 for different courts is why was over the place. how are we going to fix this, boys? what's the solution? i all your local mp standing up for fighting. she does a reasonable but. yeah does do a reasonable but. yeah she's good. okay point. i'd she's very good. okay point. i'd like i'd like to see change at the top what you need at the top

of earth get rid of that top. of earth to get rid of that top. you someone in charge which you need someone in charge which has got lot of respect the has got a lot of respect the fishermen and they've lot fishermen and they've got a lot be with them and that be in touch with them and that lay down but be fair and lay down roles, but be fair and square sense. but this one we've got at the moment, it's just hell bent on confrontation. but we have fisheries ministers. we do have in that building just over there behind us right now . over there behind us right now. we do have a government. we have a minister who is accountable , a minister who is accountable, who has to occasionally go into the house of commons, answer questions about fisheries. yeah i mean, surely , surely your mp , i mean, surely, surely your mp, particularly the west country be should be asking these questions . i can't do much because it was a live at the time. so what is it like when it's up to you to say it's in court? i get that. but i see. the thing is , you but i see. the thing is, you know, we can it's very easy to say what's wrong with the world, but but what we need to try and do is some better way forward. well, may chris wills , well, may and chris wills, friend of mine, we both went to our mp steve double back 2016.

yeah we brought all this to his attention and quite honestly was just a waste of time. nothing come of. all right, we'll see you. double, steve. double got an open invitation to come on this programme and. talk about this. you know you've got one of your constituents, one who's not. but there's a huge of passion. i told him all this was going on. so to chris, something needs to be done and thank you for travelling up the west country to join me today. we've met before and i've followed this saga . you, pete. oh this saga. you, pete. oh hopefully something will be done about it. well, that's what we need. they've got a stop prosecuting fishermen on vessels only. i couldn't help but just doing for money. i couldn't agree more vital words are out of well on my issue. i still asking the corbel f.a. i took legal advice from peter , the legal advice from peter, the retired . we wrote to the corps retired. we wrote to the corps more 15 months ago and we asked them the evidence which they not

come up with, because you've got to evidence to wish you a financial administer nation penalty . they've not come up penalty. they've not come up with the evidence . we asked, with the evidence. we asked, where do you appeal ? where do where do you appeal? where do you get it reviewed to the chief fishery officer and all sam davies has done is give it to another enforcement officer , another enforcement officer, writes back, say and take advice on what i want to know to this day is where do i get it reviewed . alright, because she's reviewed. alright, because she's trying to ignore it. reviewed. alright, because she's trying to ignore it . there are trying to ignore it. there are open questions here but well down the big victory. i know it's been hard and it's, you know, health wise and money wise been tough. so sort of been tough. so it's sort of folks a good story it's sort of a good story . you know what was a good story. you know what was way much going on on british way too much going on on british fisherman brexit was the chance to make these things better and we mustn't give up it in a we mustn't give up on it in a moment , i'll we mustn't give up on it in a moment, i'll be joined by sir john hayes, mp i'm going ask john hayes, mp i'm going to ask him why , is legal immigration him why, is legal immigration high as it is? and is he as happy as his own government appears to be .

and this issue of cross—channel boats that i was talking about at the top of the programme this is one that is driving people party and in particular conserve supporters and voters and i've got so many comments coming in and none of them are complimentary. you i couldn't agree more. i believe mr. sunak is completely bereft of you know roger says no need to do i agree that the pm is deluded . he is that the pm is deluded. he is also the most ineffective , also the most ineffective, useless and unelected person , useless and unelected person, and to hold that office you , ray and to hold that office you, ray says not is this prime minister delusional on this issue ? but he delusional on this issue? but he and hunt are holding positions against the wishes of the

conservative party and that feeling is coming out again and again. now, if we were talking about the macro economy, about economics, i'd get different because some would say, look , we because some would say, look, we think of hunt and sunak. because some would say, look, we think of hunt and sunak . you think of hunt and sunak. you know, we're not in financial crisis in the way that we felt we were the other week. but i'm talking very specifically about this delusional that somehow it's all going to be great. it's all going to sort itself out and the cross—channel will end. it won't. it is going to get worse unless we the law significantly this country, unless we take real action. then next year goodness knows how many are going to come at a massive cost a price to all it. anonymous says , i am a member of the says, i am a member of the conservative party , but i would conservative party, but i would not vote conservative again . we not vote conservative again. we get some people in parliament who care the country now. joe well, one of his appointments now this is really, really astonishing what a joe biden's appointment is. somebody called

sam brinson. this is why what the moment i say somebody, i can't say, man and i can't say woman because their pronoun is they they are gender fluid . but they they are gender fluid. but this person has a very, very important job. yeah this non person is the nuclear waste guru of the biden administration and in charge of nuclear waste disposal so is a very responsible job indeed this is astonishing . this is astonishing. this is astonishing. this is astonishing. sam britain has been with theft is a quite unbelievable story . having unbelievable story. having caught a flight from washington to minneapolis. sam did not check in any luggage and yet when the luggage belt was opened in minneapolis , he went to his in minneapolis, he went to his hotel with a suitcase with , two hotel with a suitcase with, two and a half thousand dollars worth of ladies clothes . quite worth of ladies clothes. quite extraordinary . i

worth of ladies clothes. quite extraordinary. i presume worth of ladies clothes. quite extraordinary . i presume brinton extraordinary. i presume brinton will his job? it doesn't say much , does it, for biden's much, does it, for biden's ability to appoint people there ? we are we're being very badly on both sides of the pond, in my view in a moment, i'm going to be joined by steve. he was a member of parliament. he was a minister. he ran for london mayor. and i he might just have one or two things to say about our current man speaker.

it's that time of the day , it's that time of the day, favourite time of the day. of course it is talking pints with staved . welcome. great pleasure staved. welcome. great pleasure . no talking pints now your careers interesting the way you've sort of for decades you've sort of for decades you've straddled business and politics and you've done a bit this and a bit of that and yeah

and it interests me because there aren't many people on the front benches now in that building over there behind at the moment with any experience at all is parliament worse for that. yes it genuinely is. i mean the average age is lower people are less experience of life as a result whether in business or in public service or in charitable work, whatever . i in charitable work, whatever. i mean, you know , nostalgia isn't mean, you know, nostalgia isn't what it used to be. i give lot, you know, and the truth is when i went to in person ask them as in 83, i had my own business. i wasn't particularly of what the salary was that you didn't really make much difference, but i was not alone by any means. i served with people who'd served in the war. yeah distinguished records. people who built big people like peter walker , you people like peter walker, you know, and many others. michael and so on. who do you know? these were very people. and margaret know herself was somebody who, you know, had had

a pretty career and course married to a man who himself was a pretty senior and friend. so i do think sadly , this sense in do think sadly, this sense in which , you know, we've got more which, you know, we've got more and more special advisers turning up in safe seats and suddenly finding themselves on the green benches in their late twenties. early thirties is actually reducing the effectiveness the house of commons because that just the experience that no it to be it's quite bland isn't it. it is i'm afraid it is planned but i think there's a bigger change which is part social media and i think this isn't appreciated enough . this isn't appreciated enough. you know edmund burke famous phrase about i am your delegate, not your representative. what he meant was , you elect me and i go meant was, you elect me and i go to parliament and i do the best that i possibly can for what i believe the country needs sometimes. that might not be quite the view of the majority of my voters i to do what i think is best nowadays because

of social media. every mp is absolutely focussed on the local ticket. it's quite interesting you've seen in the last couple of weeks a revolt over whether we want to frack or not now a revolt over whether we want onshore wind and solar. and another favourite one, which is should we basically sweep away housing targets and the nimbys get away with it, you know, all of this is because of this massive concentration that employees have to have. there's no getting away from this . you no getting away from this. you know, on the seat i'm going to lose my seat because they think actually, enough, they actually, funnily enough, they won't won't , just because won't they won't, just because they take a contract you get 50 emails overnight. they take a contract you get 50 emails overnight . yeah. and now emails overnight. yeah. and now you walked away in 97 you didn't stand up there and you were back to business and that could have the ndc of stephen or is it i think it wasn't because he decided he just had to have a go once twice, almost three times and maybe again don't know. yeah

london . but it was tough, wasn't london. but it was tough, wasn't it because you were standing against a labour party in 2000 you're in the ascendancy yes quite. with the longest honeymoon period i've ever seen. yeah. and of course against ken who. yes you know, he sat in chair, he's done tell, but i, he is, you know, he is the cheeky chappy and all the rest of it. i enjoyed his company i'd say yes i agree. you can disagree with anything you think half of its crackers but you can't really dislike it. well, i think he's the best mayor we've had among three. i mean, he's the reason we the olympics 2012. we got the olympics in 2012. he's reason that, you know, the city what it is he was the city is what it is he was the man who basically made transport for took 12 for london work took 12 different agencies which i had to work with when i was minister transport where the big responsibility for london. yeah. i mean in my view he, he is the man watch. no. for me i've always been fascinated by kind of urbanism . you know, by the of urbanism. you know, by the end of this decade , percent of end of this decade, percent of the world's population is going to live a city and cities can

either be like some of the great indian cities with these massive , you know, areas of utter squalor and deprivation and massive in the centre or enough, you know where, for example, you've got decent transport systems just a start. you get the people without jobs to the jobs without people. so this is a start to work. so for example the two things i'm proudest of in my time, the due to that extension. yes. complete invigorated east london and that actually you could have the olympics in east london . and the olympics in east london. and the second, of course, is crossrail where i took the first belt right the crossroads. yes right now the crossroads. yes but how long did it take? well, it took a long time, let me tell you . took a long time, because you. took a long time, because my the response i used to get when i took this great scheme to the treasury, the classic liam byrne line . terrific, steve, but byrne line. terrific, steve, but i'm there's no money that was the don't money just don't spend money then actually when labour said what a ridiculous proposition to not approve the

crossrail programme they then took 11 years to actually start it and it was only because ken with his london hat on, insisted that they did and they they couldn't do so by saying you're being very generous to ken livingstone. it's very interesting. hear that now is very to that very interesting to hear that now still involved now you're still involved with with much that you do with so very much that you do yeah. hs2 i mean it's a huge huge project for what i is a very major benefit. i wouldn't say funnily enough and you know my wife as soon as you start talking about this sort of stuff, i just glaze over and she really does you know the is made for capacity not about speed. one of the things that andrew adonis who was labour's transport secretary always admits these days the bowler in chief . oh we could say that and chief. oh we could say that and i'm with you on that you

probably know nonetheless when he was transport secretary was coming out of st pancras where there's a wonderful in in granite that says hs1 opened by the queen ironically . it doesn't the queen ironically. it doesn't have to say which queen. sadly like now, but nonetheless opened by the queen. that was it, you know. and, and andrew said , you know. and, and andrew said, you know, i wanted there to be kind of network of high speed rail like there is in the rest of europe. and if i may say, i've seen you holding a big banner that said we should a that said we should have a network high speed rail, because remember that, but remember saying all that, but you i've travelled all over you know i've travelled all over . yeah, remember the geography . yeah, i remember the geography different. yes of course i it's highly different. and you can go from euston right into manchester, to the manchester, piccadilly to the hall, the business district, i think it's 2 hours, 7 minutes. that's right. but just wonder that's right. but i just wonder whether should start speed. whether we should start speed. it's that's it's not speed. that's the point. capaci you do. point. it's capaci what you do. i get that. yeah, but surely couldn't we the length , the couldn't we the length, the trains, the stations . i just

trains, the stations. i just want. i worry steve is going to cost 250 billion quid to get to manchester 20 minutes more quickly. no that that is a wonderful line but it's not the reality . funnily enough, the reality. funnily enough, the bigger issue i mean i'm basically a long term supporter of london birmingham. manchester i was never a supporter of to leeds and i said to successive transport secretaries and indeed chief executives of hs2 , of hs2 chief executives of hs2, of hs2 and very glad that finally the penny's dropped and it's not going to happen that's saving an absolute shared loan and money into billions. no, i think it's about capacity it frees up traffic on what's called the west coast mainline that measure of on rail which really of freight on rail which really important get more decent important we get more decent spotting stopping services up the and course what it the line and of course what it means is that we can then into a northern powerhouse rail there's a train operating franchise because time is at all people. the transpennine express and it takes an hour to go 40 miles. it's not going to be 36 with all

this is oh, hey , i'll probably this is oh, hey, i'll probably be dead. i've got to be getting on. but my line, i think i really agree with you on that. but then what interests? me, you're very much, very much been on the sort of socially liberal wing of the conservative party . wing of the conservative party. but , you were but interestingly, you were a bit of fan of a friend of mine, rudy yeah. and what do you think he what he and bill bratton did in new york, the broken windows theory. yeah. when you look at crime in london today. it is disturbing, isn't it? it it's very disturbing. ironically, in thousand, we had a problem with crime. and, you know, i, i remember one of our slogans was , if new york's mayor can cut crime , can't london and i did crime, can't london and i did feel it. i well, i knew that was what londoners cared about at the time in the intervening two decades, if you like , it was decades, if you like, it was less of a problem. so that when boris, for example, finished his term, it wasn't particularly glorious. but it was didn't do much damage to be obsolete .

much damage to be obsolete. crime is a reasonably satisfied actually levels it wasn't it wasn't heading the local news every night now is with a mayor who you know sort of trumpets his you know great sort of concern about this issue but does absolutely positive about it apart from picking on cressida dick and firing it. yeah no you know if you heard what you know the what's it called what witnesses job i forget what his job title but he's he's the man who actually if you like regulates police activity. he has been scathing about the way khan acted in that case and i'm sorry to say so far i'm concerned. khan has literally nothing to be proud of in. terms of the record of violence , black on black violence, black on black violence, black on black violence among , young black men. violence among, young black men. you know, i chair a charity down the road of the most deprived parts of london where we get young people off the street. we do it by we offer them basketball and, table tennis and journalist of support. get over 4000 visits a month to this to

this . and i've always thought if this. and i've always thought if you want to do something about crime, then why don't you start by doing a lot more for the young people of this city so often are left standing on street thinking about new york. maybe you've got this all wrong, steve. you see real crime now over there is the embankment, right? if you go along there at 2:00 in the morning. yeah a 26 miles an hour. yeah, you will get a speeding ticket. it seems to that the real to me that that the real criminals that got anybody criminals that we've got anybody who took up, i twenty's who ever took up, i twenty's plenty sounds like great it's a great sort of phrase but it's pretty meaningless and i'm absolutely straightforward about this. i think it's a complete waste of time money. it absolutely takes distracts efforts from the real criminal activity in this city that we ought to be concerned about, which is the rising advent of really serious violence against anybody, for example, getting out of a nice car. i'll let you see targeted crime is on the increase for me that's the real

thing that can please absolutely not be slow please please iframes the day. yeah the police telling us don't wear smartwatches in public. oh that's that's surrendering isn't it. is it absolutely is. i i know you should be able to drive a car, maybe, you know, so. wow, i wouldn't, i'm one of those, one of those you know, one of those days, you know, but, but the idea that you but, but, but the idea that you mustn't because you are mustn't do it because you are making a visible victim is just awful. yeah. yeah. and you as i'm just getting back to cars , i'm just getting back to cars, out parts , cancer and out to rural parts, cancer and heart which of the whole thing's mad i just say here's the mad can i just say here's the here is a labour who taxes poor people who can't afford to upgrade their cars or their vans but doesn't tax because my car complies imagine yours mine you know that's appalling. if a had done that i good as you can imagine labour would have said this is labour man. i'd put slogan rising and with an on perhaps you know replacing one of these days if he can get of andy burnham first i'd fancy

better his chances more personally it's inevitable and so my view he can do no wrong you said the tory party there's no party, there's no conservative there. come on, they are they are high tax . they they are they are high tax. they are big state, they are almost unlimited immigration and they have launched a war on small business. i mean, when you went into that house commons in 1983, the conservative party was very opposite to every single one of those things. they've gone and they. no, i don't . they've gone. they. no, i don't. they've gone. but i think if they carry on as they are. then there's a very chance that they will be gone . chance that they will be gone. there'll be a rump. they'll do what? to the liberal party in 1918? that'll be the end it. no, i think the truth is that what jeremy hunt is doing with rishi sunak's is recognise that these are absolutely unique times and that unfortunately, thanks to the trusts kwarteng budget and

the trusts kwarteng budget and the way it was actioned and the lack of rolling pitch and the lack of rolling pitch and the lack of rolling pitch and the lack of understanding of what was actually at stake here . was actually at stake here. we're being forced to do we're now being forced to do things which ironically the markets approve of you know markets do approve of you know the sterling now much better the sterling has now much better off was even quasi save off than it was even quasi save the tories . well i think you the tories. well i think you know the irony is when times are hard all the evidence says that prefer the devil they know than the devil they don't. and you look 18 by the you know, harold wilson famously week is a long time in politics i'm probably at the olympic and maybe even many people in my own party i know this funnily i remember this but funnily i remember 1992, i knew i was going to win my seat, a 20,000 majority. but i also thought we'd lose an in the event. the reason we didn't nobody loved us. after we been in for 30 years and we'd replaced with john and so on. they liked it because they said , yeah , tories are boring as , yeah, tories are boring as hell , but these guys , yeah, tories are boring as hell, but these guys are john smith's shadow budget. neil kinnock you know, a lot of words

is there a lot of mail? it could , because i look i look at you starmer's labour party got two big things that they say they that we're not going to do. one of them is they say we're going to have windfall tax. well, we just shut that, folks. right or wrong, shutting the second wrong, we're shutting the second one, as they say. they're going to abandon non—dom and to abandon non—dom status. and with going to spend to abandon non—dom status. and whuge going to spend to abandon non—dom status. and whuge amount going to spend to abandon non—dom status. and whuge amount on going to spend to abandon non—dom status. and whuge amount on the,g to spend to abandon non—dom status. and whuge amount on the, you spend to abandon non—dom status. and whuge amount on the, you know, a huge amount on the, you know, on the nhs. so hang on a second sunshine. what do non—dom status you honestly think people are just going to stay okay. it's crack . you think he's still crack. you think he's still echoing it up. he loves politics. he's been a great guest. it's a pleasure. great to see you. yeah . quick time to see you. yeah. quick time to talk about the barrage. a viewer asks me, do you think trump as the next president be good for the next president be good for the future of the republican party? there's going to be a massive debate between trump and a very big public debate, which i think steve be quite good.

yeah, me too . me too. yeah, i do yeah, me too. me too. yeah, i do think so. desantis is definitely the to watch he's a very, very smart chap, but trump is an old heavy weight . oh, don't count heavy weight. oh, don't count him out one more. do you think ? him out one more. do you think? the protests in iran , also in the protests in iran, also in china could be the start of eventual regime or leadership change in these countries . i change in these countries. i hope so in both cases i suspect the level of opposition is bigger in iran than is in china. quick thought. yeah definitely. and sadly i think there had to be far more brutal than they've been over. yeah, absolutely. well it's a theocratic regime. they've been in place for 40 years. why the hell obama, the european union and every party in the house of commons seems to think that a deal with iran is the right thing to do is asking the right thing to do is asking the beyond me tomorrow it's barrage at large live from landed now on the north wild coast with an audience back with

you tomorrow night at 7 pm. but now i'll leave you with the cable hands of mark steyn . cable hands of mark steyn. hello, i'm aidan mcgivern from the met office. during the next 4 hours, we're going to move a new month and a new meteorological season and it will certainly feel that way with a lot low cloud, mist, fog and feeling chilly for many of us high pressure at the moment to the east , the uk is bringing to the east, the uk is bringing a of weather blocking a lot of weather blocking weather from moving in from the west, although one across northern ireland the west and scotland has been in that's been bringing some , whether it's bringing some, whether it's northern ireland during the day . the rain reaches western and northern scotland by midnight and it starts to spill into and then it starts to spill into the rest of scotland, the north of england as by dawn, of england as well. by dawn, elsewhere england and elsewhere across england and wales of low cloud mist, wales, lot of low cloud mist, dense fog patches a frost in dense fog patches and a frost in places two minus three celsius for some sheltered spots. first thing. a gloomy cold start to thing. so a gloomy cold start to the day . poor visibility on the the day. poor visibility on the roads. first thing, that's something to watch out for, especially for central and southern . england and east

southern parts. england and east wales , the fog will gradually wales, the fog will gradually lift into low cloud and skies will brighten for southern parts of england, much of wales, scotland and northern meanwhile stay largely cloudy with outbreaks of rain clearing east through the day. mild in the northwest , 11 celsius cold where northwest, 11 celsius cold where got some stubborn fog slow to clear across central england i think 2 to 5 celsius here. and that fog will reform once again on thursday night, another night with , low cloud mist, fog, poor with, low cloud mist, fog, poor visibility places and a touch of frost in those areas where we keep the clear skies staying damp in the northeast of england , scotland, but drier elsewhere and a little milder for western scotland and northern ireland . scotland and northern ireland. we start of friday, but generally a cold start . many now generally a cold start. many now through friday. we're going to see the rain eventually petering out across north eastern parts of uk. another area of rain approaches the north—west of scotland, but elsewhere plenty of fine weather staying dry for the most part , and an increase the most part, and an increase to easterly breeze through . the

to easterly breeze through. the weekend bring a reduction weekend will bring a reduction in but also bring some colder.

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