good morning. welcomes best tennis today on gb news. a packed show for you this morning. i'm going to be talking about britishness and delving into what our british values might be 2020 and how they've changed . the health secretary, changed. the health secretary, steve barclay , has said that steve barclay, has said that calls for pay rises for nurses and ambulance workers just are not workable . but a privatised not workable. but a privatised health care system changed things and the new house price statistics are out . our very own statistics are out. our very own economics editor, liam halligan

will be here to break them down for us. who are the winners and who are the losers.7 that's all coming up after a look at the latest news with tamzin . bev. latest news with tamzin. bev. thank you. good morning. it's 10:01 and here's the latest from the gb newsroom. dozens of nhs traffic control centres are now operating across england to ease pressures on the health system. more than 40 so—called winter war rooms have been established to help find beds faster for patients . staff will use data to patients. staff will use data to divert ambulances away from hospitals at capacity to ones with more available space. the plan comes after ambulance workers voted in favour of industrial action. nhs staff will also walk out this month over a pay dispute . shadow over a pay dispute. shadow commons leader thangam debbonaire blamed the winter of discontent on the government for failing to take part in negotiations in 2013. years of a

labour between 1997 and 2010, there were no strikes in the nhs. why why were there no strike? we have been negotiating with them for the last few months. we wouldn't be here. we be in this position. we'd have been negotiating and working with wouldn't have with them. we wouldn't have caused crisis that caused the economic crisis that the government caused when the tory government caused when they forward that they brought forward that disastrous, uncosted, unfun , disastrous, uncosted, unfun, mini budget . disastrous, uncosted, unfun, mini budget. uk house disastrous, uncosted, unfun, mini budget . uk house prices saw mini budget. uk house prices saw their biggest fall in two years nationwide . its figures show nationwide. its figures show they fell by 1.4% in november, which was the largest month on month drop since june 2020. nationwide says house price growth saw a sharp falling to 4.4% from 7.2% in october. british gas will pay its customers for reducing the amount of electricity they use dunng amount of electricity they use during peak times to help take pressure off the grid. the energy supplier hopes hundred thousand customers sign up to the scheme, which is by national grid . households with a smart

grid. households with a smart metre will also have the chance to sign up . metre will also have the chance to sign up. under the metre will also have the chance to sign up . under the scheme, to sign up. under the scheme, households will be around £4 for every unit of electricity. they reduce their consumption by dunng reduce their consumption by during specific times . during specific times. buckingham palace is facing accusations of racism after a royal aide was forced to resign over comments she made at a reception and go see forlani, who is founder of a domestic abuse charity, says she was repeatedly asked by lady susan hussey where she really came from . the prince of wales, who from. the prince of wales, who is in boston for the earthshot prize , has says there is no prize, has says there is no place for racism in society and godmother's comments were not acceptable. cardington palace says it was right for her to step aside with immediate effect . rishi sunak is facing his first electoral test as the voters go to the polls to choose a new city of chester mp. the vote will replace four former labour mp chris matheson, who resigned his common seat after

complaints of serious sexual misconduct were upheld by a parliamentary watchdog. it'll be the first westminster byelection since boris johnson and liz truss resigned and the financial market chaos followed after the mini—budget in september. a charity is warning of a homelessness emergence at sea, as a new survey suggests private renters under threat of eviction in england increase by more than three quarters in a year. shelter says 5% of private renters around , half a million renters around, half a million people say they've had an eviction notice or been threatened with eviction in the last month. that's up from 80% this time last year. elon musk's starlink satellite sites will be used in a uk government trial aimed at helping remote areas of the country get high speed internet connections . the internet connections. the technology allows broadband signals to be beamed down to earth in places where there is limited ground infrastructure, or it would be expense , stiff or

or it would be expense, stiff or difficult to put in place . difficult to put in place. norway's national park waste was dale head in the lake district and two sites estonia national park will be involved in the trial . st ives park will be involved in the trial. st ives has been park will be involved in the trial . st ives has been crowned trial. st ives has been crowned britain's happiest place to live . the cornish seaside town overtook hexham in northumberland to take the top spot in rightmove's annual survey , which more than 21,000 survey, which more than 21,000 people took part in. rightmove says st ives scored highly for its sense of community, spirit and belonging for its residents . this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now it's back to beth . it's back to beth. good morning . welcome to bev good morning. welcome to bev turner. today on gb news you for joining me. the 2021 census data

has been rumbling on for a few days and for the first time even days and for the first time ever, fewer than half people in england and wales describe themselves as christian. birmingham has been revealed as a whites minority city by the office for national statistics. so at this moment, british values what we stand for in this great country and we, the nurse and ambulance worker strikes potentially looming . health potentially looming. health secretary steve barclay has said that inflation busting pay rises are just not affordable . i'm are just not affordable. i'm going to be debating whether or not the private health care system would solve all of these financial concerns and the nationwide housing price index figures were released this morning. all becoming more affordable for those in their twenties. finally be able to comfortably step foot on the property ladder. gb news is economics and business editor liam halligan will join me in the studio to delve into all of that and more . and of course you that and more. and of course you are my fourth panellist this morning, so email me gbviews@gbnews.uk and. please

vote in our poll in light of lady susan hussey resigning from her role within the royal family over drinks, reception, conversation . we are asking you, conversation. we are asking you, is it racist to ask someone where are you from? just over 90% of you so far say no. that does not illustrate racism. so please do email me at gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at to gb news give your opinion on anything else that we're discussing . now, this week, the discussing. now, this week, the 2021 england and wales census figures revealed that our three biggest cities contain significantly fewer white british residents than they used to . all nigel farage took to to. all nigel farage took to twitter to comment on the new census data and got this response from a health secretary, sajid javid . so what secretary, sajid javid. so what he said? that's it. that is secretary, sajid javid. so what he said? that's it . that is an he said? that's it. that is an accessible response. perhaps in the pub with your mates, but from a former cabinet minister

and a sitting mp . it's not okay and a sitting mp. it's not okay at all because stating so what's in public discourse utterly fails to allow debates that we must have about the costs and benefits of a rapidly changing british demographic. so what is flippant and aggressive? it reduces the issue to one of melanin skin pigmentation and needs to be more than that for everyone's sake. javid fails to recognise that some people are concerned about the erosion of a national british identity and stifling debate. is the best way to cause more resentment and division . human beings are division. human beings are tribal . to be division. human beings are tribal. to be cast out division. human beings are tribal . to be cast out from tribal. to be cast out from one's tribe. signalled certain death a few thousand years ago. luckily, we no longer need fear being eaten by a woolly mammoth if we aren't allowed back in the cave. but our primal instincts will still drive us to gravitate towards familiarity . it doesn't towards familiarity. it doesn't matter if you are white moving

to the costa del sol to live amongst people who also like having fish and chips on a friday or a bangladeshi settling in tower hamlets and working with family members in social care , language, food , jobs, care, language, food, jobs, shared landmarks, bring people together and that's okay . all together and that's okay. all humans need to belong to feel appreciated, respect , set and appreciated, respect, set and cared for as a member of a group, whether that is family, friends , a congregation or a friends, a congregation or a battalion . when we belong , we battalion. when we belong, we share values, rituals and attitudes. we experience feelings of warmth and welcome . feelings of warmth and welcome. and our lives are enriched . this and our lives are enriched. this doesn't mean that cross—cultural integration is undesirable far from it. i expect many of . these from it. i expect many of. these new statistics reflect interracial marriages and births , which occurred here in second and third generation migrant families. melting happily into major cities . but sajid javid is major cities. but sajid javid is off the cuff response suggests

that we now live in a post—racial utopia. he's wrong . post—racial utopia. he's wrong. riots on the street of leicester between rival asian gangs. the banning of a movie which upset some muslims so much that they formed threatening mobs against the blokes who normally serve the blokes who normally serve the popcorn . as of february 21, the popcorn. as of february 21, there were no black executives in the top three roles at britain's 100 in the top three roles at britain's100 biggest companies. black people are three times more likely to be killed on the streets of london than any other ethnic group. white british boys who qualify for free school meals do signify quently worse in educational attainment than any other group at all. however you cut this racial cake . you cut this racial cake. someone has an axe to grind . someone has an axe to grind. when a family of indian descent and a chancellor with a chinese born wife moved into downing street this year, nobody really batted an eyelid. it was the stark indication yet that martin luther king's dream in which he famous , only wished that one day

famous, only wished that one day his children would be judged not by the colour of their skin, but by the colour of their skin, but by the colour of their skin, but by the content of their character might actually have come in politics, at come to pass. in politics, at least, most of us just want these people in power to carry out their roles with the interests of british taxpayers at the heart their decisions at the heart of their decisions . about their gene . we don't care about their gene pool . we don't care about their gene pool. but where it all leave britishness . an elusive quality britishness. an elusive quality that slips through our fingers too easily . we descend into too easily. we descend into romantic lest the sound of a cricket bat on a summer's day, a pot of tea with scones , haggis pot of tea with scones, haggis and whisky union jack teatime and whisky union jack teatime and sunday picnics on a windy day. but britishness is slippery , as it's different in almost every town. a londoner looks defensive if you talk to them on the bus. a mancunian is offended if you don't talk to them on the bus.so if you don't talk to them on the bus. so we try to sum up british values democracy, the rule of law respect and tolerance, individual , law respect and tolerance, individual, all formally up in the identity card debate that would roll around every ten years or so. do you remember

dissenting british chaps in suits would say, i am not a number. but now the mood has changed. too many tired, underpaid workers ready to accept that we would all become accept that we would all become a qr code with conditions attached as long as it stops illegal immigration and cuts down on daily inconvenient . down on daily inconvenient. those in power here are dancing to a globalist tune and old fashioned britishness which pnzed fashioned britishness which prized the individual. does not seem to matter . most people with seem to matter. most people with a british born or not only want to live in harmony and empathy, not conflict and animosity . not conflict and animosity. somehow we must lay that path against a rapidly changing landscape . but that journey does landscape. but that journey does not start with a callus. so what? it starts with a purposeful. so what now . let me purposeful. so what now. let me know what you think . know what you think. vaiews@gbnews.uk we are also going to be talking with the panel a little bit later about

this story that everybody is debating. we've got it on our twitter poll about lady hussey resigning as resigning after being quoted as saying was saying something which was deemed racist at deemed to be racist at the dnnks deemed to be racist at the drinks write story all drinks party. write a story all over the front pages today. the prince and princess of wales have moved to distance themselves from this racism row involving . prince william's involving. prince william's godmother that could overshadow their to the us. lady susan their trip to the us. lady susan hussey, late queen's hussey, who was the late queen's lady waiting , resigned lady in waiting, resigned yesterday comments yesterday over racist comments she made to a black british woman at buckingham palace reception. reporter reception. although. reporter cameron walker embossed in cameron walker is embossed in why the prince and princess of wales are preparing for friday's earthshot prize . he's just sent earthshot prize. he's just sent us this report . well, this has us this report. well, this has turned into a bit of a headache for the royal family, particularly the prince and princess of wales, who have arrived of arrived in boston ahead of prince mental prince william's invite mental earthshot which is earthshot prize, which is happening on friday. even happening on friday. but even before the plane shuts down, there was controversy and that is all because prince william's godmother asks a british born , a godmother asks a british born, a black domestic abuse campaigner where she really came from doing

a reception at buckingham palace . now, the accusations were aired on twitter and then buckingham palace had to quickly and did very quickly release a statement saying that they take the incident extreme seriously. they have reached out and it goes forlani, who is the advocates at reception to advocates at the reception to see if she wants to discuss in person and her experiences at that reception in buckingham palace went on to say the individual concerned wishes to express their profound apologies for and stepped for the has caused and stepped away from her honorary role. now another indication at the royal family is taking this extremely seriously. i now understand that prince william very agrees prince william very much agrees that godmother should have that his godmother should have stepped from her and stepped away from her role. and prince spokesperson also prince william spokesperson also released statement. now he released a statement. now he said, i was really disappointed to hear about the guest's experience at buckingham palace. the were unacceptable the comments were unacceptable and it is rights. the individuals have stepped sides with effects. now, with immediate effects. now, despite another royal race row and the rain quite literally dampening people's spirits here , the prince and princess were greeted by crowds from across

america , had travelled as far as america, had travelled as far as alaska to see them. and this is what prince william the what prince william said to the crowds . thank you to all the crowds. thank you to all the hardy bostonians braving the rain this evening, 60 years ago, president john f kennedy moonshot speech laid down a challenge to american innovation ingenuity. we choose to go to the moon , he said, not because the moon, he said, not because it is easy, but because it is hard . it was that moonshot hard. it was that moonshot speech that inspired to launch the earthshot prize with the aim of doing the same for climate change as president kennedy did for the space race . now, today, for the space race. now, today, the prince and princess will be visiting one of the most depnved visiting one of the most deprived areas of massachusetts arts and meeting vulnerable young people . they will also be young people. they will also be seeing how boston has become a global leader when it comes to climate change and tackling the climate change and tackling the climate crisis . and no doubts climate crisis. and no doubts palace are hoping that palace aides are hoping that this one incident is the only thing that's going distract thing that's going to distract

from william's earthshot from prince william's earthshot prize . thank you, cameron walker prize. thank you, cameron walker there in boston. now don't forget to vote in a twitter poll. we are running at the moment . i'm poll. we are running at the moment. i'm asking poll. we are running at the moment . i'm asking you, poll. we are running at the moment. i'm asking you, is it racist to ask someone where you are from? this is in light of lady susan hostin resigning from her asking that very her job, asking that very question you've been getting in question. you've been getting in touch already. lots you touch already. this lots of you have been tweeting so far, 90.9% of you are saying it is not racist to ask you are from. some of the comments , though, are of the comments, though, are indica. that's a voice that you will know from here on gb news. they're interested. it's not that simple. the way in which she was asked was clearly racist and rude, asking and and rude, repeatedly asking and moving her hair back, not okay, morrison has said. not racist, maybe rude, pompous and you shouldn't think it correct to touch someone's hair, but not racist. she's in racist. she's dressed in her cultural dress, which is great. of course. she was asking about her heritage. this her heritage. now this is because this charity had because this charity worker had very and lady very long dreads and lady chelsea, couldn't chelsea, who couldn't see the name apparently moved name badge, apparently moved that to see the that move to the side to see the name . personally, i think

name badge. personally, i think prince william should have taken name badge. personally, i think p|strongerliam should have taken name badge. personally, i think p|strongerliam shon d have taken name badge. personally, i think p|strongerliam shon this. re taken a stronger stance on this. he should have thrown chelsea should not have thrown chelsea under the bus. i think i would have said nobody was there to explain have said nobody was there to explaitaking person's word we're taking one person's word over and yes, of over another. and yes, of course, sounds it was course, it sounds like it was probably a little bit clumsy. but woman was but the woman that she was talking to knew what she meant when she said, where are you from? well, i'm from? and she said, well, i'm london, and bred, my london, born and bred, but my family originally from family were originally from wherever. set the wherever. and that set the conversation. on conversation. she moves on anyway. what you anyway. let me know what you think. gbviews@gbnews.uk after the i'm going be the break i'm going to be welcoming panel onto the show welcoming my panel onto the show . to be by . i'm delighted to be joined by the mp, steven the former labour mp, steven pound, journalist james pound, journalist and james flood broadcast star flood with and broadcast star johnny gold. now it's time for a quick break. hello. good morning to you. i'm aidan mcgivern from the mets office. it's a cold start out there. many of us, start out there. for many of us, the in place is foggy for the frost in place is foggy for some as damp for others. some as well. damp for others. so mixture across the uk at the moment. but we've all got something in common and that is a lot area of high pressure extending from east that's extending from the east that's mostly keeping these weather fronts bay. but one such

fronts at bay. but one such feature has snuck from the west to affect scotland , northern to affect scotland, northern ireland and northwest england dunng ireland and northwest england during the last 24 hours. now for scotland in the far north of england, it is a damp and dull start to the day the rain continuing through much of the day northern ireland, day here. northern ireland, brighter skies arrive, but for much of england and wales, dense fog patches . first thing could fog patches. first thing could be on roads . for be tricky on the roads. for example, does slowly left example, fog does slowly left and brighter skies do emerge in south and across wales, where we see that happening 7 to 11 celsius. but where we do see some stubborn fog persisting into afternoon, 2 to 5 into the afternoon, 2 to 5 celsius, it is actually a little milder for western scotland to northern ireland however, because a bit more because we've got a bit more a southerly breeze here that . southerly breeze here that. breeze the rain into breeze will push the rain into eastern scotland, the north—east of end of the of england by the end of the night. tonight but elsewhere across the uk, a lot of cloud remains low cloud through central parts, some fog central parts, some dense fog patches by dawn and again, a touch of frost in places . now touch of frost in places. now the brighter skies first thing tomorrow because parts of wales and the southwest , northern

and the southwest, northern ireland as well faring well for sunshine and eventually western scotland . the rain the far scotland. the rain in the far north—east eventually peters away. most places will see away. so most places will see a dry friday and the fog in the south will also lift , i dry friday and the fog in the south will also lift, i think more likely to lift compared with recent days because the breeze from the east is picking up now that breeze will become an increasingly dominant feature of the forecast over the next few it will tend to few days. it will tend to prevent fog and frost forming at night , but it prevent fog and frost forming at night, but it will also bring colder air this weekend. so brightest guys on and sunday, but with a downturn in temperatures, some rain and hill snow showers .

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is bev turner today. my panel ahead this morning, i'm delighted to be joined by former labour mp steven pound , author labour mp steven pound, author james bloodworth . hello, james. james bloodworth. hello, james. broadcaster and journalist jonny gould. now gentlemen. jonny, this first story, 70% of english water industry is in following ownership. you see these headune ownership. you see these headline these numbers, seven 80% of our water is run by foreign companies. what's going on there? referencing the world piggy bank. and of course, you look at the history of this. you go back 30 years when they were privately and they talked about the opportunity for every one of us to become h two owners. what's the term that they used? the reality is, when these figures are to be looked at, it's anything but. i mean , when it's anything but. i mean, when we say foreign ownership , what we say foreign ownership, what we're referencing is foreign investment firms, private equity, pension funds, businesses lost, lodged in tanks , havens. so it's a whole mixture . and they own over 70% mixture. and they own over 70% of the industry. to put that more specifically to severn

trent water , for instance, trent water, for instance, a third of that is owned by qatar investment authority. immediately you start to get nervous terms . water just short, nervous terms. water just short, 10% owned by a subsidiary of the abu dhabi investment authority, 8.7% owned by the chinese . and 8.7% owned by the chinese. and the trouble is that that history has proven that, you know, we have more concerns about investments from certain parts of the world than others. the reality also that we should point out is that the majority shareholder in all the water companies of great britain from investment from america , which investment from america, which is not something that makes us nervous by comparison. so you still have to question whether that's appropriate or not. but the reality is that when you've got the sort of stories that we're seeing about sewage being laden into the into our laden off into the into our waters illegally, clearly illegally , you start to ask the illegally, you start to ask the question, well, how are these companies being allowed to do this? why are not this? why are they not answerable? and part of the answerable? and is part of the problem that such problem the fact that such a significant percentage of the ownership is in is elsewhere in

foreign authority? james, do you think this wouldn't bother us if we felt like we were getting a really great service a good really great service at a good pnce? really great service at a good price? that the problem? it's price? is that the problem? it's the of those two the juxtaposition of those two facts, isn't it? yeah, i think so. and i think the kinds of accountability is much harder when you've got the chinese state chunk our state owning a chunk of our water supply, you have very water supply, when you have very rich who who reside rich individuals who who reside in havens , it's very hard to in tax havens, it's very hard to hold some of the individuals accountable when you have leaks. leaks waterways, when you leaks in the waterways, when you have lots of lots of money being used for repairs, etc. and i mean the waterways were privatised because we were told the it would be more efficient in private ownership than public ownership . but i think there are ownership. but i think there are certain things such as water, such perhaps arguably the such as perhaps arguably the railways where it is a public service and it just doesn't sit well with lots of people. the you have qatar, you have china essentially seeking profit from our water system when the british state could could run it. and whether any of you know this. but do the brits own much

of all the people? no, we don't . it's interesting to hear that we're all socialists, though, aren't we all realise it was a dreadful mistake. but look, i tell what really terrifies me. one of the things that horrifies me, neighbours, is the cost me, my neighbours, is the cost of energy winter. so of energy over the winter. so it's a cost to the utilities. who owns electricity? who owns you to electricity? a difference. so the biggest, i would imagine do get into would imagine and we do get into a you know the a situation, you know the ukraine dragging power ukraine boys dragging on power suppues ukraine boys dragging on power supplies very low. the supplies are very, very low. the actual of they've actual amount of energy they've got low . all the french going got is low. all the french going to actually prioritise us over them even going be them is even going to be an equal playing of course equal playing field. of course they're and that really they're not. and that really worries . we do not control worries me. we do not control our utilities, its gas, water and electricity . there's and electricity. there's something and profound , something serious and profound, really. i say. really. nationalism, i say. i think , you what? every time think, you know what? every time this up, about 70% this comes up, it is about 70% of people in this country of the people in this country would like to see our big state provide us all our finest renationalise. i don't think it will happen though, johnny will ever happen though, johnny with this horse very with it. this horse has very much volt going shoot much volt it going down. shoot me down. no, it shouldn't. and it shouldn't be the end it shouldn't be done. at the end of day, you've got to of the day, you've only got to look history to see what a

look at history to see what a mess we make when it's when something is what something is natural is what i'd like to see is some kind of a sort of hybrid mix between the two extremes, because that's what we have. just have what we have. we just have another extreme and quite clearly not fit for clearly it's not fit for purpose. there has to be accountable party. so there has to be some kind a system that to be some kind of a system that we install whereby the extremes of private ownership and the point that stephen makes is a very one about that revenue very good one about that revenue is the priority when it's all about shareholders that about shareholders and that can't right when you're can't be right when you're talking a utility that is talking about a utility that is a basic right of any british citizen. yeah. so there has to be some kind of a hybrid reality that we can find where there are checks and balances. but at the same time, hopefully the private sector more efficient metal sector is a more efficient metal and this certainly proves, i think the europeans have shown that there can be involvement of the state in things like the railways, the railways, things like the utilities services utilities and run those services very well. i think there are certain things are natural certain things which are natural monopolies. so with the railways, for example, you can never competition never have true competition on the because can't

the railways because we can't let railways down like a let the railways go down like a normal so state normal business. so the state always has to step in. so you end up with a state spending massive basically massive subsidies to basically support private companies. so you worst of both you get the worst of both worlds. yeah, i talking worlds. yeah, i think talking about terrible value for money. james this awful story. so this is how much was lost in fraud and three covid scheme as rishi sunak eight how the help has been recorded a 9.5% rate of fraud according to hmrc. is this feeling you might be the tip of the iceberg in terms of how people write off during this? yeah, i mean, the total value of fraud in the three covid schemes, the total 4.5 billion, which is a lot of money and the taxpayers are only likely to get back 1.1 billion, according to hmrc. yeah. yeah i mean i think that was, it was such an unprecedented time. i think the i mean i think that some of the schemes that the government came out came up with, it was kind of on the hoof. there was always none were going none of them were going to be perfect. there there perfect. there was this there was a situation where the

economy was doing very badly because weren't out because people weren't going out spending i was spending anymore. and so i was quite the eat out quite sympathetic to the eat out to out scheme at the time. to help out scheme at the time. but can it was but as we can see, it was subject to massive fraud. i think a better idea would have been to simply of subsidy given furlough businesses furlough to the businesses directly rather than encouraging people because we did people to go out because we did see wave of covid see another wave of covid shortly out to help shortly after eat out to help out. i'm not sure i'd out. well, i'm not sure i'd agree with that. so i would say we should of always been taking the proportion measures needed for was affecting for a virus which was affecting predominantly the very, very elderly after elderly and looking after them with care . but stephen, with focussed care. but stephen, this story smacks of huge naivety on the part of who rishi sunak got the part the treasury at the time giving out this money. i remember chatting. do you want it to go into any pub? i remember chatting to a landlord about the fact that he was fiddling the books at the time was he said, i time and how easy was he said, i just some receipts. just submit some receipts. i tell it's for food and they tell them it's for food and they pay tell them it's for food and they pay me this is almost nothing. it's a drop in the ocean compared the contract. oh compared to the ppe contract. oh yeah. of money we yeah. the amount of money we know meets

know it. matt hancock meets a friend down the pub and the next thing know, they've got thing you know, they've got a £34 contract and know £34 million contract and know obviously situation. obviously the ongoing situation. but of the poorest but it was one of the poorest environments when sure environments when i wasn't sure if we could mention, oh yeah, we have the papers. okay so not her children. i have to say. children. but i have to say. james son's an james absolutely. my son's an electrician, self—employed electrician, and he actually got money to money from the government to keep his business going, to keep the on. and was the lights on. and that was absolutely right thing to absolutely the right thing to do. wasn't question of do. so it wasn't a question of phone. a question of phone. it was a question of support the hospital city support in the hospital city industry, after is industry, which, after all, is a motor of the economy. it employs people money. and people who then spend money. and so should have it so if we should have done it that way, instead of having this photo opportunity of dishy rishi, know, a plate rishi, you know, with a plate of profiteroles passing around in the was the problem. the box that was the problem. and i think to blame? the and i think who's to blame? the government little of government a little bit of slack. it was panic stations. i mean, were actually looking mean, we were actually looking at all seen at armageddon. we'd all seen these these outbreak these you know, these outbreak films you know, people films about, you know, people would we would come out, you know, we followed rule of china, followed the rule of china, which we'd never done before in the history of world. we the history of the world. we took playbook. look took the pandemic playbook. look at us today. at them today. look at us today. yeah. got it right?

yeah. who got it right? yeah but. yeah, that's but. yeah, but. well, that's what we don't really know what's going on. yeah, but thank god going on. yeah, but we thank god we still following china. we aren't still following china. oh were oh but we definitely were triggered images triggered by what the images that were revealing. so i that they were revealing. so i was know, quite attracted to was you know, quite attracted to the swedish model at one stage because a good because that seemed to be a good idea it has proven to be so idea and it has proven to be so because their economy. yeah oh no. they're a far no. that today they're in a far better than we are. better position than we are. yeah. immunity was that yeah. herd immunity was that difficult thing because the problem that you're problem with that is you're going to let some people going to have to let some people die. politically, die. and politically, politicians couldn't couldn't stomach boris johnson stomach that. and boris johnson actually stage, actually said that at one stage, you can simply afford you know, we can simply afford to people die on our watch. to have people die on our watch. but the reality is that's what happened. and that's what's ended it. what should we do about this fraud, though, johnny gold? because i guess you're self—employed, freelance man, working largely in the entertainment industry. you didn't from didn't get anything from the government never government and you would never have rip them off. no, have tried to rip them off. no, but is but i did get some support , actually. i didn't get support, actually. i didn't get support, actually. i didn't get support through as a as a freelancer . and i didn't have an freelancer. and i didn't have an issue with that because there were certain restrictions. if you turned over 50,000 over

three years. and i think that was the right decision. my partner, who had set up a business as my manager , she fell business as my manager, she fell down the hole of not getting any support because she'd only said a piece of something. the last 18 months and had made a tax return. so she was another of the exemptions. so there were an awful lot of people, but i think the delay was the frustration for people in my industry. i had three jobs in months. it was three jobs in 19 months. it was brutal. yeah, but people brutal. yeah, but many people were worse position were in a far worse position than was. that's for sure. than i was. that's for sure. i am pleased to hear the lancet saying you know, i think saying that, you know, i think give a break. it give the government a break. it was unique situation none was a unique situation that none of ever faced. none us of us had ever faced. none of us knew. what the play, but knew. what was the play, but what was the right thing to do. and so many of these measures were to offer support. were trying to offer support. and hindsight, we've and in hindsight, yes, we've looked and we've seen the huge fraud. saw one story fraud. i mean, i saw one story a restaurant claimed to have a record month in sales during eat out to help out. but at the same time, they supposedly furloughed out to help out. but at the same timiwhole supposedly furloughed out to help out. but at the same timiwhole staff. osedly furloughed out to help out. but at the same timiwhole staff.osedlyand oughed out to help out. but at the same timiwhole staff. osedlyand theyed the whole staff. yeah. and they didn't expect them to connect the that at the the dots i mean and that at the end of the day that's just

that's just a criminal intent of which can't blame the which you can't blame the government for that. you can only blame individual only blame the individual that they there are they carried out. but there are always who take always people who take advantages these schemes. but advantages of these schemes. but i think they also a lot of i think they also saved a lot of businesses as well. mean, businesses as well. so, i mean, if we claw some of the money if we can claw some of the money back, it it still worth back, it is it still worth it? and might saved and it might have saved temporarily. i'm not quite sure how they are now with their fuel bills thinking bills particularly i'm thinking pubs, restaurants, the hospitality industry, they've been longer been hit brutally in the longer term, thanks, guys . term, but. right. thanks, guys. that's only stage one. we've got two to go least. so two more to go at least. so don't go anywhere. now, after the break, with nurses and ambulance strike ambulance workers set to strike overpay health overpay and the health secretary, barclay , saying secretary, steve barclay, saying the afford it , the government can't afford it, i'm going to be asking whether or not privatised care or not a privatised health care system this. system would solve all of this. that's news . hello. that's after the news. hello. good morning. it's 1033. that's after the news. hello. good morning. it's1033. i'm tamsin roberts in the gb newsroom dozens of nhs traffic control centres are now operating across england to ease

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very good morning. thank you for joining me. it's 1037. very good morning. thank you for joining me. it's1037. this is bev turner today on gb news. now, you have been sending in your views, which are, of course, extremely important to me. this is talking about this royal race schism disputes a lot of you will agree that this has been blown out of all proportion , carol. who says, don't you think it would have been nice to hear her side if this i presume this is lady hussy. hear her side if this i presume this is lady hussy . she's 83. this is lady hussy. she's 83. and i don't believe her asking was racist. i think she was probably more interested in her ancestry said it's wrong at ancestry and said it's wrong at her age. i totally agree . trevor her age. i totally agree. trevor said. racism is disgusting in any form. of course it is. but we have to steer clear of institutional offending. and chris said it's not racist to

ask somewhat where someone is from or even where their parents are from, but it is how it's asked. it's a case of not what you say, it's how you say it. simple rule of life. now, of course, the woman who is making the allegations lady the allegations against lady hussy bit of form in hussy does have a bit of form in this area. she sent tweets out previously meghan previously saying that meghan markle of domestic markle was a victim of domestic violence of the violence because of the institution of racism in the royal family. can't help but royal family. i can't help but think used this a think maybe she's used this as a little opportunity. perhaps. unfortunately it backfires because it is increase because all it does is increase racial tensions. it doesn't help them. now, moving on strikes nhs all over the place aren't the health secretary steve barclay's put his foot down saying that unions pay demands are not affordable ? this comes alongside affordable? this comes alongside nursing strikes and unison has announced that ambulance workers across england are set to strike before christmas after voting in favour of industrial action over pay favour of industrial action over pay and staffing . this is what pay and staffing. this is what steve barclay said . he said, i'm steve barclay said. he said, i'm hugely grateful for the hard work and dedication of the nhs staff and deeply regret that some will be taking industrial

action which is in nobody's best interest. as we approach a challenging winter, so would all of these disputes take place if we had a fully privatised healthcare system? so here to discuss this is christopher snowdon from the institute of economic affairs. we've got benjamin now a research fellow at the bell group and gp, dr. ken swan . gentlemen, thank you ken swan. gentlemen, thank you for joining me. ken swan. gentlemen, thank you for joining me . this is a forjoining me. this is a conversation which has been had for several decades now. christopher snowdon let me come to you first. why are we in this dreadful position as we face another christmas with an nhs in crisis ? what partially because crisis? what partially because of the strikes, as you mentioned , being caused by inflation and our inability to keep up a in real terms, partly because of the covid backlog, but also , you the covid backlog, but also, you know, these are not new problems. you know, we have a winter crisis in this country every single year of the countries generally do not wait are an exception. we're exceptionally bad. and i think the reason for that is the nhs

is a vast government not only and like all of us, government monopolies , it's badly run and monopolies, it's badly run and inefficient . so should you just inefficient. so should you just be in highly privatised? what does that look like to you? chris well, i would like it to look more like holland or france or spain or, you know, most of the rest of the world where the government doesn't actually own and run all the hospitals. it just makes sure that people can get health care. so there's nothing special about universal health care, free at the point of use . the vast majority of of use. the vast majority of developed countries have that, but what they don't have is a government actually owning and running the system. there's no reason why the hospitals can't be privately run as gp surgeries currently are , by the way, and currently are, by the way, and it is also good for staff because you look at this current situation, nurses demanding 19% pay situation, nurses demanding 19% pay rise going on strike in a private system if they're not happy with the terms with their employer, they go to another hospital, they go to another private health care provider .

private health care provider. you have competition. so the competition staff. you have competition. so the com also, on staff. you have competition. so the com also, of staff. you have competition. so the com also, of course, staff. you have competition. so the com also, of course, most staff. you have competition. so the com also, of course, most of aff. but also, of course, most of all, for the customer all, it works for the customer or the patient. let me come to you then, dr. kent, as one of your gp , christopher makes it your gp, christopher makes it all sound incredibly commonsensical . what do you commonsensical. what do you think would be lost if we had that system? yeah, i mean, is there's always a sort of a debate about you know, when we'd be better off with a private health system, but i think the health system, but i think the health system, but i think the health system that we've got , health system that we've got, certainly the nhs is admired sort of all over the world and the costs of running the health service, it is expensive , service, it is expensive, there's technology increase as sort of older population and people are living longer, but all the research i've seen is the most cost effective way of running a health service . running a health service. there's lots of dangers of trying to privatise the health service . one of it is that, you service. one of it is that, you know, we can increase sort of inequalities. so you know, the

ones that can afford it get the service, but the obviously not so much the ones that are not able to . the other aspect of it able to. the other aspect of it is we do have a number of national programmes such as immunisation programmes and sort of so on that actually keep most of so on that actually keep most of the population quite healthy. so i think looking at the evidence , i think, you know, evidence, i think, you know, sort of the nhs free a point of use is i think the most cost way of running it. i'm sure we could always improve and transform, but i think that has to be a fundamental mental tenet of how we move forward and how we try and sort of reform and get more effective at what we do . effective at what we do. benjamin if i can come to you by any definition, it isn't really working at the moment for most people. when the nhs works, it is the greatest in the world and it is incredible really, and it does feel a bit anachronistic that we still have a system which will, you know, treat anybody walking through the door at themselves . what's

at no cost to themselves. what's the from your point of the solution from your point of view ? well, as we say in this view? well, as we say in this vast amount of waste and inefficiency within the nhs and especially over the past couple of years when we had lockdown for example, and people are missing screenings missing cancer screenings because became the because it basically became the covid health service, the service rather than national service rather than the national health actually dealing health service actually dealing with of a broad range of all with all of a broad range of all ailments . it really became very ailments. it really became very focussed on one thing and that's one of the pitfalls when you have a nationalised service, when you have something which isn't where there's no isn't private, where there's no competition where people competition and where people can't you providing the can't say if you providing the services required , you can services are required, you can go elsewhere, you that go elsewhere, you remove that choice and makes it a lot choice and it makes it a lot harder for people hold harder for people to then hold the to account. but the service to account. but there a middle you can there is a middle way you can keep the service free at the point of delivery whilst also having a level of private ization within how those contracts bedded on and who provides them . and you were provides them. and if you were to so that it was so to keep it so that it was so free at the point of delivery. but have private health care providers providing those services, more services, then there'd be more of profit incentive , there'd

of a profit incentive, there'd be competition, you'd get be more competition, you'd get better money if better value for money if provide a better service for the taxpayer . and it would it taxpayer. and it would it wouldn't harm the fact that it's free for all people who need it . are we getting value for money , christopher? do you think in any way. no the nhs is a huge money pit. i mean the idea that it's chronically underfunded is absolutely untrue. you know, in the past the has had a bit less than the oecd or the eu average, which it should do, by the way, if it's so, so efficient, you should require less money. now it's getting way the oecd it's getting way above the oecd average. getting huge average. it's getting a huge rise got massive rise. obviously got a massive boost over there is not boost during over there is not looking like it's going to be getting much less in the future. in it's just to keep in fact, it's just going to keep going jeremy hobson already going up. jeremy hobson already announced r £6 billion announced another £6 billion with and with its endless, you know, and then the money then who knows what the money spent it certainly didn't spent on. it certainly didn't seem to be going or hospital beds, and we beds, doctors and nurses. we have fewer and have fewer far fewer doctors and far you beds than the far you hospital beds than the most countries. part most countries. and that's part of you have this of the reason you have this problem with bed

problem with them with bed blocking ambulances blocking and ambulances not able to at the to drop people off at the hospital. the whole thing's a complete a complete mess. and it's admired the it's not admired around the world. people around world. most people around the world. most people around the world idea what nhs world have no idea what the nhs is and when foreign visitors come here or move here, they're amazed the pride that amazed at the way the pride that we have in this below average healthcare system. and i was a staggered that anybody would be impressed to be able to see a doctor on the same day. for example. so you it's not a mod. and insofar as we admire it in britain, it's largely because we're so parochial. we haven't looked of the looked around the rest of the world, apart america, which world, apart from america, which is country anybody is the only country anybody seems be familiar with when seems to be familiar with when it health care. can do it comes to health care. can do you think all just you think that we've all just lowered expectations drama, lowered our expectations drama, particularly the last two particularly over the last two years it comes to the nhs, years when it comes to the nhs, as was saying there, you as chris was saying there, you can't necessarily almost nobody can't necessarily almost nobody can get a gp appointment on the same anymore . you've got same day anymore. you've got extraordinary waiting times at a&e. we're seeing ambulance drivers about to go on strike when we've already got extraordinary wait times for paramedics . extraordinary wait times for paramedics. is it time to just

say , you know what, it's in say, you know what, it's in intensive care, but we're going to do a dna on it. any minute now. to do a dna on it. any minute now . yeah, i mean, i think now. yeah, i mean, i think nobody would sort of argue with a challenge to the nhs. yes. and i think they're being described really it's the really well. i think it's the areas we can reform. for so example, if it's free a point of use and you know , sort of, for use and you know, sort of, for example, sort of private hospitals and sort of so when that happens at the moment, i mean, we do refer patients to sort of private hospitals or other services and they are part of the mix and in a sense, you know , they do compete at that know, they do compete at that level . and there are sort of level. and there are sort of changes of thought to how we look after a lot of patients that admitted to hospital, often the frail elderly . and actually, the frail elderly. and actually, if we have more effective, say, multi disparate team working so we can keep patients at home, thatis we can keep patients at home, that is both cost effective but ultimately better for the patient as well. and there are lots of initiatives, say, for long term conditions , diabetes, long term conditions, diabetes, that actually through lifestyle

measures and patients are supported to look after themselves . that can be really, themselves. that can be really, really cost effective . so it's a really cost effective. so it's a series of many actions that we get more efficient and that transform the way we work . and transform the way we work. and we do need to do that because , we do need to do that because, you know, it is a precious resource . but i think we've got resource. but i think we've got to be careful of trying to think there's kind of one solution that you spend some time privatising face and that we think it's a solution. i don't think it's a solution. i don't think it's a solution. i don't think it's solution. i think think it's a solution. i think we to sort of tackle in we need to sort of tackle in different ways, get the benefits . but yes, we do need to sort of , you know, much better access and actually , we don't sort and actually, we don't need sort of heavy sort of challenges that we've at the moment ongoing. we've got at the moment ongoing. we need to resolve things. we do need to resolve things. benjamin if i can give the last word to you as a research fellow, you look into your crystal what does the crystal ball. what does the future look like the nhs and future look like for the nhs and what sort of timescale would you attach that ? well, think we attach to that? well, i think we all agree that the nhs needs reform. we might not agree on what reform needs of how, but what reform it needs of how, but we agree there is areas

we do agree that there is areas of which need to be solved of waste which need to be solved . is at the . but the problem is at the moment you've conservative moment you've got a conservative government saying government turning around saying we the nhs. it's we have to reform the nhs. it's like a cow. people get, like a sacred cow. people get, oh touch it, you can't oh no, don't touch it, you can't do anything to change it at all. but that needs to be changed is made you really the nhs made if you really love the nhs and it to be a and you want it to be a successful service for all people you need people in this country, you need to reforms, you need to to make reforms, you need to adapt to the sides, need to change, you need to get of change, you need to get rid of the waste and trim the fat. and the waste and trim the fat. and the you have a the problem is when you have a government which is kowtowed so easily to the left wing press and to do anything that and refuse to do anything that might hot water, the might get them in hot water, the guardian never to guardian they're never going to have the, know, the gumption have the, you know, the gumption to around and to actually turn around and do this. i of course, i'm this. so i and of course, i'm wrong. and of course, gentlemen, and course, is a very hot and of course, it is a very hot potato as comes to the potato as it comes to the electorate voting electorate and voting intentions, not? and intentions, is it not? and i think that's probably by successive governments have dared there. thank you so dared not go there. thank you so much three of you. much to all three of you. christmas there. christmas snowed in there. benjamin ken benjamin lockney and dr. ken aswani. been talking aswani. we have been talking about all day, but there about that all day, but there is another important issue to another very important issue to discuss. prices. the

discuss. uk house prices. so the biggest monthly fall for more than two november is it than two years in november is it looks like rising interest rates are off buyers. are putting off buyers. now these figures were released by nationwide uk this morning and i'm delighted to say that i'm joined studio by not only joined in the studio by not only our business editor liam halligan , but also freddie halligan, but also freddie poe's, priced poe's, the director of priced out freddie, nice to out uk. hello freddie, nice to meet nice here in meet you. nice to be here in person. i've interviewed you down a few times. down the line a few times. you've been shown oh, you've been shown around, oh, freddie. this is way around. freddie. and this is way around. it country right? it is in this country right? liam halligan does this. what does for people does this news mean for people who buy a house? as you who want to buy a house? as you say, bev , house prices fell in say, bev, house prices fell in november . according to the november. according to the nationwide. they dropped 1.4% compared to october. nationwide. they dropped 1.4% compared to october . they're compared to october. they're still up 4.4% compared to november 2020. and so they're up on an annual basis. but this monthly fall is the biggest monthly fall is the biggest monthly fall is the biggest monthly fall since june 2020, which is the height of lockdown, of course , when a lot of housing of course, when a lot of housing transactions stalled, a lot of it is rising mortgage rates back in january this year, the average mortgage rate on a five

year fixed was 3.7. the average dunng year fixed was 3.7. the average during november was 5.4. so that's a big increase. it's partly because the mini budget back in september sent that market slightly mad. it's also because there's a general long term rise in interest rates. so it's not just all about the mini budget and what's happening now . housing change tends to start with the first time buyer coming in and buying something that then people open up and then people try to open up and up and that that's how the housing market registers transactions transactions are transactions. transactions are falling first time falling because first time buyers are coming to the market because even with the help of the so—called bank of mum and dad and a third of all first time buyers, now have access to the bank of mum and dad. a half in london in the south—east, which obviously unfair which is obviously deeply unfair if haven't got property if you haven't got property owning parents . if you haven't got property owning parents. but if you haven't got property owning parents . but those first owning parents. but those first time buyers now because of these interest rate rises instead of spending about 30, 35% of their monthly wage on their mortgage, it's more like 40, 45% because of the extra debt costs. and

that means that the housing market is stalling surprises are falling. it's crazy, isn't it? because even amongst all of the up and downs in the vicissitudes, let's say, of the last two and i thank you very much for the last two and a half years, the house market remained buoyant. they did quite a good job. the government of making sure that wasn't too disruptive. they had the stamp duty march 2020. yeah, remember they got to keep the keep that market going and now they're like going to mess this up as well. aren't well look for a lot of people they want their house price to keep rising but we're not really a nation of homeowners anymore with average the eu with below the average of the eu nafions with below the average of the eu nations terms of our home nations in terms of our home ownership is about 60% now, down from over 70% ten or 15 years ago. and a lot of that homeownership as freddie pizer will and i feel his will tell us and i feel his pain. written a book about pain. i've written a book about this the over sixties. this is among the over sixties. there are more houses now in the uk that are owned outright than are owned with a mortgage. so that certainly in my mind, yeah.

so, so much of the housing stock is in the hands of the over sixties. the young people can't get on the housing ladder. the average age that people buy their first home is rising. if indeed they can buy their first home at all. freddie's generation, my kids generation, my well, yeah, they're the least likely to own their own home. going to own your own house, freddie, than any generation since great depression. yeah since the great depression. yeah i think that there is this huge issues here and as liam says, sort of constantly come on to discuss, oh, house price growth has in this case got has slowed or in this case got into reverse a bit, but we're still up on the year, which significantly the before significantly up on the before the pandemic. house prices have not you know, stayed steady. they have absolute only skyrocketed. we've actually just gone through two or three years of really fast house price growth, especially in london , in growth, especially in london, in the south—east, where people really want and need to work, really want to and need to work, live so they can work, you know, well—paying jobs. and we were also seeing this not just in the first by market, in the

first time by market, but in the rental where rents across rental market where rents across london up about 20% over the london are up about 20% over the yeah london are up about 20% over the year. so the housing crisis is a supply crisis as well. we've got it sort of mediated through this. how cheap money is , how this. how cheap money is, how cheaply can you get your mortgage . but the underlying mortgage. but the underlying crisis, we haven't built enough homes and isn't it also because your generation spend all your money on like takeaways and avocados? so it's not that is absolute. you can't save you lot, can you? that's the problem we know that people sort of my generation young people are spending upwards of 35, 40% of their post—tax income on rent brand london, it's 60. i've got friends who are leaving london at the moment because they've just been asked to pay a 33% rental increase on the same flat, 33% increase. you've got a glint in your eye, bevan. i know you. you want to get a discussion going, but freddie's absolutely right on this. i so often my inbox is full of people with all respect , telegraph

with all respect, telegraph column readers , gb news viewers, column readers, gb news viewers, listeners saying, oh my day we had interest rates of 15. these youngsters are spending too much money on netflix and avocado sandwiches. it's sandwiches. i'm afraid it's complete nonsense as freddie just said, freddie's generation , my kids generation, they're spending a higher share of their post—tax income with mortgage rates at three or 4% or 5% than my were paying in the late seventies eighties than i was paying seventies eighties than i was paying in the mid nineties when interest rates were like ten or 15. because why me? even though interest rates are lower now , interest rates are lower now, the underlying house it used to be three or four times averaging comes it's eight or ten times average incomes and in london it's 12 and 15 times average incomes. and here's the thing, beth . these guys are paying as beth. these guys are paying as much or more than previous generations at these low interest rates. and interest rates could still go up. yes even they could still go up more. so the whole avocado sandwich netflix thing. i know i

know. it's a good debating point , but ethan easily be blown away by the evidence they can. the other thing i would and i'd love to know your thoughts on this, freddie, isn't this also partly because have terrible because we have terrible transport networks this transport networks in this country, by that country, what i mean by that is, yes, to work in yes, if you want to work in london, because there are lots of quite cool, sexy jobs in london, the people want but london, the people want to. but if could, it was easy to if you could, if it was easy to get on the housing market just outside redding, just outside outside of redding, just outside of somewhere of of woke and somewhere outside of london. could get in london. but you could get in easily. that make life easily. would that make life easier? you to easier? well, i'd counsel you to look the house prices just look at the house prices just outside just outside of woking and just outside of woking and just outside finding, in fact, even in places where it's basically just commute just about possible to commute into see london into london, we see london prices, fact, in the prices, in fact, in the wholesale feast. we've got one sort of regional housing crisis of people desperate to live just within. yes train journeys. exactly. i mean. these are not short commutes. we're not talking people who live on the jubilee line here. yeah. so actually the only solution is going to be to improve the supply because in the long term, as liam says, we've actually

gone through ten years now of historically rates and historically low rates and people to have forgotten people seem to have forgotten what an interest rate is. but that's coming back. even if the mini budget snarl goes away, we're going to be seeing at least 5% mortgage rates for a while now and without fixing supply , people simply won't be supply, people simply won't be able to afford a home. freddie's on money, if may say so, on the money, if i may say so, to coin a phrase. we do have a chronic shortage of housing in this country. to build this country. we need to build around 300,000 houses around 250, 300,000 houses a year just to hit our natural demography, let alone with more immigration. and we haven't built houses at that level, beth, since the nineties, and thatis beth, since the nineties, and that is the fundamental problem. and if we should just say we're a national organisation here, we focussed on london and the south east because that's the epicentre of the crisis. but this is not a south—east problem in the north—west, in the west country, in the midlands , even country, in the midlands, even in the north—east where house pnces in the north—east where house prices with respect have traditionally been lower, there are kids who can't buy homes because the houses are just too

expensive, because we're not building enough. and the implications of that are huge for everybody, aren't even for everybody, aren't they? even with parents, you still got kids in twenties and thirties in their twenties and thirties being home. ramifications being at home. the ramifications are so are huge. gentlemen thank you so much that and liam much for posting that and liam halligan right. that's the end of our hour. that went of our first hour. that went quickly. we're going be right quickly. we're going to be right back more after this back with with more after this short .

very good morning. welcome back to best tennis today on gb news tv, radio and online strikes strikes and more strikes is all we're hearing about at the moment. there will be strikes every day in this country now until christmas. we're going to be hearing from two former

cabinet ministers about how we resolve the rising strike culture. and i'll get my views from the panel views from the panel about the royal family and whether lady susan hussey was racist for asking the question where are you from to a charity at an event? that's all coming up after a look at the latest news with thomson . bear. thank news with thomson. bear. thank you. good morning . it's 11:00. you. good morning. it's11:00. here's the latest from the gb newsroom. dozens nhs traffic control centres are now operating across england to ease pressures on the health system . pressures on the health system. more than 40 so—called winter war rooms have been established to help find beds faster for patients. staff will use data to divert ambulances away from hospitals at capacity to ones with more available space. the plan comes after ambulance workers voted in favour of industry election nhs, nhs staff and also walk out this month over a pay dispute . shadow

over a pay dispute. shadow commons leader thangam debbonaire blamed the winter of discontent on the government for failing to take part in negotiations . in 2013 years of negotiations. in 2013 years of a labour government between 1997 and 2010, there were no strike in the nhs. why? why were there no strike? we have been negotiating with them for the last few months. we wouldn't be here. we wouldn't be in this position. we'd have been negotiating with negotiating and working with them. we wouldn't have caused them. we wouldn't have caused the economic crisis that the tory when tory government caused when they brought disastrous brought forward that disastrous , mini—budget , uncosted, unfunded mini—budget . british gas has announced it will pay customers for reducing the amount of energy they use dunng the amount of energy they use during peak times . the energy during peak times. the energy suppuer during peak times. the energy supplier is the biggest to join the scheme, which is designed to ease pressure on the grid. the company hopes 100,000 customer will agree to take part. households will be paid around £4 for every unit of electricity . they cut their consumption by at specific times . uk house

at specific times. uk house pnces at specific times. uk house prices have seen their biggest fall in two years. nationwide figures show they dropped 1.4% in november. that's after a month on month fall in october the average house price was . the average house price was. £263,788. buckingham palace is facing accusations of institutional racism after a royal aide was forced to resign over comments she made at a reception . ngozi fulani , who's reception. ngozi fulani, who's founder of a domestic abuse charity , says she was repeatedly charity, says she was repeatedly asked by susan hosie where she really came from. kensington palace says it was right for her to step aside with immediate effect. rishi sunak is facing his first electoral test as the voters go to the polls to choose a new city of chester mp. the vote will replace former labour mp chris matheson , who resigned mp chris matheson, who resigned from his commons seat after complaints of serious sexual misconduct were upheld by a

parliamentary. it will be misconduct were upheld by a parliamentary . it will be the parliamentary. it will be the first westminster byelection since boris johnson's resignation and the financial market chaos that followed. liz truss as mini—budget in september , a charity is warning september, a charity is warning of a homelessness emergency after private renters under of eviction as increased by more than three quarters in a year. shelter says 5% of private renters in england , that's renters in england, that's around half a million people say they've had an eviction notice. auburn threatened with eviction in the last month. that's up from 80% from this time last year. from 80% from this time last year . st ives from 80% from this time last year. st ives has been from 80% from this time last year . st ives has been crowned year. st ives has been crowned britain's happiest place to live . the cornish seaside town overtook hexham in northumberland to take the top spot in rightmove's annual survey, which more than 21,000 people took part in. rightmove says st ives scored highly for its sense of community spirit and belonging for its residents. st ives , resident and winner of st ives, resident and winner of the voice , molly hocking, says

the voice, molly hocking, says the town has a special atmosphere . it's just an amazing atmosphere. it's just an amazing place . it's got such a local place. it's got such a local supportive atmosphere . every supportive atmosphere. every time you wake up in the morning , all you can hear is the seagulls. no roads, cars, just fresh air. and the sea goes. we've got everything. we've got shops , local bakers , sports shops, local bakers, sports clubs . this gb news. we'll bring clubs. this gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now back to beth . back to beth. good morning. welcome back to bev turner. today on gb news, it is the season of strikes which could see a wave of walkouts that could disrupt service every day until christmas . this comes day until christmas. this comes as more than 10,000 ambulance workers become the latest group to vote for industrial action.

but what is the government going to do to tackle this? a new survey from the nhs has found that six in ten older teens in england have possible eating problems and this seems to be rising at an alarming rate. i'm going to be joined a little bit later by nutritionist and behavioural psychologist to talk about why . and i'm going to be about why. and i'm going to be joined also by my fantastic commentators back in the in about 20 minutes, paul, analysis of the day's biggest stories, including news that brexit has cost uk households including news that brexit has cost uk household s £5.8 billion cost uk households £5.8 billion in higher food bills. cost uk households £5.8 billion in higher food bills . can that in higher food bills. can that be as simple as that? and of course, this show is nothing without you and your views today on twitter. we've got a poll asking you , is it racist to ask asking you, is it racist to ask someone , where are you from? someone, where are you from? cast your vote. please do email me on gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me on gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news to give you opinion on that. and everything else discussing .

else that we're discussing. britain is set to suffer the worst strike chaos every day until christmas . this comes as until christmas. this comes as trade unions seek to bring the country to a halt. trade unions seek to bring the country to a halt . and a new country to a halt. and a new winter of discontent. yesterday rishi sunak attacks. sir keir starmer support for trade unions. but is he right? joining me now is our political correspondent, tom. how what tom, bring us the latest on this. who is set to strike and why are so many strikes happening just to you know what, if i was going to list off all the different organisations and unions that were planning strikes over the next four weeks, i don't think we'd have any time left in your programme at all. they are simply so many. whether it comes to people in the nhs or in other services , we the nhs or in other services, we are seeing a huge raft of strikes that are going to befall this country in the next few weeks. trains are another one that are incredibly pertinent to many, many people and what we're seeing really is a is a new wave

of industrial action reflecting the troublesome cost of living situation that is befalling not only this country, of course, but the whole of the western world. we're seeing average inflation in the eurozone , about inflation in the eurozone, about 10. we're seeing inflation in the united kingdom at just over that 11. we're seeing inflation in the united states coming down a little bit now. but that is only after the united states federal reserve raised their interest rates, raised their mortgage rates to higher than that in the united themes that we're seeing in the united kingdom. so really what we're seeing here is a very difficult situation that lots of countries have grappling with how they may well challenge it . as we saw, of well challenge it. as we saw, of course, in the united states, that's come through much higher mortgage rates than in the united kingdom. even which have risen in themselves, but are ultimately all of these difficult decisions are not yet. getting inflation to manageable levels and that means that we're

seeing enormous pay demands from many, many sectors. of course, average pay in the private sector is going up by just about half that of inflation around 5. but average pay in the public sector is very, very variable and it depends if you're on a lower pay tariff in the public , lower pay tariff in the public, you may well be getting a higher pay you may well be getting a higher pay increase. but if you're on a higher pay tariff, you may well be getting a lower pay increases. very variable bill. and what we're seeing is a response from these unions trying to ask for more and seeing how much they can get with the case of the nurses, a 19% pay rise demand is that is the demand from that group, which clearly both the conservative party and the labour party have said is unaffordable . but you can't help unaffordable. but you can't help but think this is sort of bargaining, positioning for many of these groups and it will be very interesting to see how many of these groups end up walking back from their initial demand and settle at something more reasonable . okay. and tom, do we

reasonable. okay. and tom, do we know if rishi sunak is cooking a statement to make at some point between now and christmas? how is he going to handle this and to look like he's not being held to look like he's not being held to ransom by by the workers in this country ? yes. it's a charge this country? yes. it's a charge that we've sunak has faced from the labour party now for three weeks in a row that he is weak, he is being pushed around by vested interests and the rest of its parts . ultimately, the prime its parts. ultimately, the prime minister is preparing some sort of strikes task force. we learn in number ten, cooking up ways in number ten, cooking up ways in which these strikes can be handled. we'd heard stories in the last few weeks, of course that. the army may will be brought in to drive ambulances and the rest of it. so that's number ten. not yet confirming that that's taking part taking place in any parts of the country at this stage. but it's certainly a possibility with plans being drawn up to that effect . but ultimately, a lot of effect. but ultimately, a lot of the cards are being kept close

to the chest of the government. they don't want to give away their game plan to the unions. this is a game of cat and mouse to extent between what the unions are planning and when they are going to place their strikes and what the government can do in response . ultimately, can do in response. ultimately, these want to cause these unions want to cause maximum disarray option to have maximum disarray option to have maximum leverage, and the government is trying to minimise that disruption , but often doing that disruption, but often doing so fumbling around in the dark. okay, thank you very much. tom harwood, the political correspondent at ten downing street. i'm joined now in the studio by my panel is for today. but former labour mp stephen pound and also kezia dugdale former conservative mp . good former conservative mp. good morning edwina. can i just read this to you to start with, they and andy prendergast , who is the and andy prendergast, who is the gmb national secretary, has said that health workers have had enough of public school boys who run the government and simply don't care about their pay demands . this to some extent, demands. this to some extent, a class war going on. no, it isn't

bad. good morning. it's a conspiracy . and i you know. and conspiracy. and i you know. and stephen, i. i'm not normally a conspiracy theorist , but a conspiracy theorist, but a number of very people in the trade union, some very, very old fashioned with some marxist or communist sympathies , use one or communist sympathies, use one or two of them , people who also, of two of them, people who also, of course, are funding the labour party and have always done so. these people have put their heads together and said, let's create a winter of discontent , create a winter of discontent, let's make life extremely difficult for this government . difficult for this government. recognising that since we're on our third prime minister this year and the conservatives are entirely responsive both for that, i accept that and that this is a government that will have to give in. now conservative governments have given in in the past i remember ken clarke as secretary of state for health many years ago saying, oh, for heaven's sake, just pay the nurses and giving them a 18% pay. right. now, the problem with that is, first of

all, it encourages everybody else to do exactly the same. secondly, of course, it then builds in inflation into the system, which makes life even harder , as we've heard harder, as we've heard described, for everyone else, and particularly for the major party of workers who are in the private sector . the private private sector. the private sector can't pay that kind of wages, so the business goes bust . now what we have to get our head around in my view, is that we need to tweak legislation if necessary and we need to use it most of these strikes are being called on a minority vote . if called on a minority vote. if you take the ambulance drivers, for example, i've had a 3000. yes but they've got 330,000 members. so that strikes me as a no when it comes to the royal college of nursing, the same thing applies england, which is by far the bulk of our population , the bulk of our population, the bulk of our national service trust. i minority. fewer than half of the trusts actually produced a

positive vote for a strike. now, as i read that, it means they don't have a mandate for strike and they certainly don't have a mandate to cause pain and misery to have picket lines where, patients in pain have got to cross the picket line they put up with all the abuse that results and that could well be a labour mp on that picket line as well . labour mp on that picket line as well. encouraging labour mp on that picket line as well . encouraging the strikers well. encouraging the strikers instead of helping those people for whom these great public services were set up in the first place. david pound , let me first place. david pound, let me bnng first place. david pound, let me bring you in. this is all labour's fault and it's whole union members who supporting laboun union members who supporting labour. hello, edwina, nice to see. look where i disagree with you. i'm afraid to say i disagree about this. is the idea that somehow this is in any way labourin that somehow this is in any way labour in hock to the unions. it's just like saying that the tory party in hock to the hedge fund managers and this and the merchant banker with just over half of our money actually comes from the and it's from the unions and it's a decreasing amount. but where you do even very do is now even very, very important there are important point. there are

certain certain certain people in certain unions. of unions unions. i'm thinking of unions like is only like the rmt, which is not only not affiliated labour but not affiliated to labour but stands against labour stands candidates against labour in have within in election they have within their within their ranks people who dedicated the who are dedicated to the destruction of global capitalism. smash capitalism. they want to smash the system they want to the system and they want to bnng a the system and they want to bring a worker's paradise. bring into a worker's paradise. i'd interested know what i'd be interested to know what the of the worker's the parameters of the worker's paradise i've been looking the parameters of the worker's parthee i've been looking the parameters of the worker's parthee of'e been looking the parameters of the worker's parthee of myaen looking the parameters of the worker's parthee of my adultoking the parameters of the worker's parthee of my adult life,; for the most of my adult life, but people who are just but the rpi people who are just simply this and that's the simply using this and that's the real problem. because the other thing which we use very, very thing which we use is very, very perceptive. there so perceptive. there are so many people, the majority people people, the majority of people in they're not in this country, they're not unionised amount of people unionised. the amount of people within unions is declining year unionised. the amount of people wityear|nions is declining year unionised. the amount of people wityear and s is declining year unionised. the amount of people wityear and it's declining year unionised. the amount of people wityear and it's beingiing year on year and it's being concentrated pretty much in local government, public services, it's services, local government. it's the rest of those people who are suffering . here's what's suffering. but here's what's happening. general happening. every general secretary of trade union secretary of every trade union is faced with membership is now faced with a membership saying, a second. saying, well, hang on a second. you there's an you know, there's an accelerating if they accelerating process. if they get we want because if get 19, we want 20. because if they get 19, then going they get 19, then what's going to happen to the economy more to happen to the economy is more and people, you know, the and more people, you know, the price of goods will go up. and that's real problem. so that's the real problem. so there's pressure them.

there's huge pressure on them. but government has but i think the government has actually secretary actually got the secretary straight got straight for health. it's got a secretary for business, secretary state for business, enterprise and industrial strategy, state for strategy, secretary, state for transport. i don't think government micromanage government should micromanage industrial relations, but they should we're here should actually say we're here to and to assist because at to help and to assist because at the the day, governments the end of the day, governments , the party, the , the labour party, the conservative don't conservative party don't represent sectional interest . represent a sectional interest. they represent the whole nation and i think they need to start doing that. dugdale, doing that. so kezia dugdale, what you do , if you were what would you do, if you were in sunak position today, in rishi sunak position today, would start with would you start with communications , with trying to communications, with trying to reach agreement, communications, with trying to reach agreement , with communications, with trying to reach agreement, with appealing to the better nature of these employees to say, we got an nhs in crisis , we've got people in crisis, we've got people trying to get their lives back on track following the pandemic. what would you do? well, i think stephen's got a point when he suggests that the various secretaries of state where their departments are threatened by strikes , need to put their heads strikes, need to put their heads together and have a concerted approach to all of this so that oneisnt approach to all of this so that one isn't getting picked off at the expense of another. i think that would be extremely useful ,

that would be extremely useful, but i think they should take a leaf out of tony blair's book. one of the key things that tony blair's government had was they rebuffed all department, which i think was was run by shetland based people. and whenever a subject or a topic came up, where it didn't tell the government story immediate , that government story immediate, that was a rebuttal. so it shouldn't be left to people like me to quote the sort of figures i've just been doing, the government is absolutely right to say we can't afford those pay rises , can't afford those pay rises, but i think they could make a much stronger argument that these strikes are not legitimate. they are effectively wildcat strikes similar to the kind of illegal strikes that we used to have in the seventies and the eighties. i think they need to tighten up the legislation and i think they need to use it. they would get the full support of all the conservative members in the house commons get some house of commons to get some changes drive through changes through drive through some union law some changes in trade union law , margaret thatcher , just like margaret thatcher did and she brought an end to these strikes and helped to

create a world in which hard working could actually working people could actually get could get the get to work, could get the health they needed, could health care they needed, could have some pride in the job and indeed enhance reputation of the country as a whole and aided its future prosperity . is there much future prosperity. is there much for you to disagree with? there stephen? don't think margaret stephen? i don't think margaret thatcher best role model thatcher is the best role model here she did introduce here because she did introduce legislation to sequester the funds of trade which on funds of trade unions, which on paper brilliant . the paper look brilliant. the reality though, simply reality is though, if you simply say train drivers, you say to the train drivers, you can't they'll simply can't strike, they'll simply say, i can't come say, oh i'm sick, i can't come in all this. there's a problem with the cap, you know. so i think we've got to work with the grain of the nation. and i think the grain of the nation actually wants doesn't strikes. no wants doesn't want strikes. no question neither question about that. but neither do want strikes. do most strikers want strikes. so we actually so i think we need to actually get talking. above all, the get talking. but above all, the single crucial, important single most crucial, important thing to actually create the thing is to actually create the economic circumstances and the stability in the economy where people aren't looking over the edge and saying, edge of a cliff and saying, look, can't afford my guest, i look, i can't afford my guest, i can't electricity, can't afford my electricity, i can't afford my electricity, i can't my mortgage. can't afford my mortgage.

because there's one thing because if there's one thing that , it strikes more that stimulate, it strikes more than anything else, it's financial and that's financial insecurity. and that's where the government does have an key task. okay yeah. an absolute key task. okay yeah. can i just ask that the problem with that argument that the problem with that argument is that the train drivers who are going strike are 55, going on strike are on 55, £60,000 a year and the average wage of a qualified nurse , the wage of a qualified nurse, the ones who are going on strike is £37,000 a year. that hardly poll workers. okay, thank you. thank you both so much . labour mp you both so much. labour mp stephen pound, who's staying with me this morning and kezia dugdale former conservative mp and minister. yes, thank you very much . all right. can you very much. all right. can you only your guest up in my research right? email me. dave's gbnews.uk. tell us what you think you can also do. you got gb news. there's a poll up right now asking in light of latest susan hussey baby. so stepping down from the royal family is it racist to ask somebody where are you from? 91% of you are saying no , we're going to be discussing no, we're going to be discussing that on my panel in just a

moment. but do keep your votes coming in. have got lots more coming in. we have got lots more to through. going to to get through. we're going to be these, but it be talking about these, but it strikes more in our panel strikes a bit more in our panel and loads more. time for a quick break .

welcome back. you are watching , welcome back. you are watching, listening to bev turner today. my listening to bev turner today. my panel are back in the room with me. labour mp steven pound. i've got him on a very short leash. author james bloodworth is here as well and broadcaster and journalist jonny gould writes james, brexit has cost uk household s £5.8 billion in households £5.8 billion in higher food bills . how can they higher food bills. how can they possibly know so i mean the headune possibly know so i mean the headline here is leaving the eu's aid is an average of £210 to britons shopping bills over two years and just to simplify

it, one of the things that is happening is i have spoken to friends of mine who run businesses and they've they've kind of i've heard similar anecdotes from them. but to kind of ship goods into europe now, you have to do more paperwork. there more costs involved. there are more costs involved. and passing costs and then passing those costs onto the consumer, onto the public. onto the consumer, onto the pubuc.soit onto the consumer, onto the public. so it is hitting us in the pocket, in our food bills in particular. so, i mean , was particular. so, i mean, was personally, i was kind of a softer remainer. i was i voted remain because i kind of thought the status quo, i felt kind safer with the status quo. but i do respect the democratic right of people to who chose brexit. but i think it's i think it's undeniable that there has been a cost, especially in terms of red tape for business and impacting the consumer. and i think there are studies like this are several studies like this mean the bank of england has one of the head economists there, has just said brexit is has just said that brexit is probably contributing to the inflationary we're inflationary pressures we're seeing at the moment. so there is honest, honest, leave is i mean, honest, honest, leave voters, i think were were clear

that, you know, there may be an economic cost, but it's worth it in terms of getting our democracy back, is what they would say. but i think it's i mean, i think we should be honest . i mean, i think we should be honest. i think we should mean, i think we should be honest . i think we should also honest. i think we should also be honest that it is costing costing us, well, money and leaving the eu. donegal that's costing money. leaving eu costing us money. leaving the eu . anybody that . well, i think anybody that voted leave and did and nobody put my hand up straight i put my hand up straight away i voted i have no regrets. voted leave. i have no regrets. i recognise that would be i recognise that there would be an economic cost, particularly in term, but for me it in the short term, but for me it was a price worth paying. and i'm lot of people i'm and i think a lot of people that voted leave have the that voted leave still have the same share your same attitude i share your cynicism in terms of how do we work this out ? and i hate to say work this out? and i hate to say it, but this report was the c p, the centre for economic performance. right in performance. am i right in saying the director. saying that's the director. certainly, stephen macon is also a professor at the london school of economics, a university that i believe he went to. indeed did it right. so a university that has reputation for being has a reputation for being a little left wing, would that be fair to say? i was the one. i was elected president of the

union. was first president union. i was the first president of that had to for the of the union that had to for the labour party ten years. i labour party for ten years. i defeated two sdp people. so we aspired bit left wing. aspired to be a bit left wing. to well, you said you to be fair. well, you said you aspired, i actually applied aspired, but i actually applied to the lsc never going to get it and we never it up. but and we never brought it up. but my mum got upset saying, my mum got very upset saying, oh, left wing oh, that's that left wing university, she got university, something. she got very not during very nervous. not, not during my presidential seriously presidential period. seriously relates to a gop campus in relates it to a gop campus in ridiculous it's not that relates it to a gop campus in ridic|| ous it's not that relates it to a gop campus in ridic|| went it's not that relates it to a gop campus in ridic|| went for it's not that relates it to a gop campus in ridic|| went for my's not that relates it to a gop campus in ridic|| went for my interview. bad. i went for my interview. i couldn't in. they were couldn't get in. they were picketing the front. picketing outside the front. they in. there they wouldn't allow me in. there was strike going on that was a strike going on that was personal, wasn't political. personal, that wasn't political. so. so what you're saying then, fellows, is that this. well, you would that this is would say, tony is that this is a picked figures. a they've picked the figures. i think it's personally impossible a they've picked the figures. i think i'whatrsonally impossible a they've picked the figures. i think i'what the ally impossible a they've picked the figures. i think i'what the impact)ossible a they've picked the figures. i think i'what the impact ofsible a they've picked the figures. i think i'what the impact of thee to tell what the impact of the pandemic been our pandemic has been on our finances. how can we ever extrapolate not just exposed extrapolate but not just exposed to also pandemic? to brexit and also pandemic? i think vote on the war, think there's a vote on the war, but. war in ukraine, the but. but the war in ukraine, the energy crisis we read the energy crisis. we all read the perfect storm. how do you perfect storm. so how do you decipher this of decipher with this amount of accuracy dire impact of accuracy what the dire impact of brexit is? i'm not arguing at all that there hasn't been an impact. there's no question but

the made is the red the point you made is the red tape has costs for any for anybody doing business with europe from , this country, it europe from, this country, it works the other way . so these works the other way. so these governments to sit down. governments need to sit down. europe to sit down with europe needs to sit down with the brits, recognise that we have left the european union and find this that find a way through this that doesn't impact on both and doesn't impact on both them and us . i too was a doesn't impact on both them and us. i too was a soft remainer. i didn't like like you, james. it just felt my instinct to fail was probably safer in the club than being outside of it now. i am delighted that we're outside of it, particularly because they're through the idea they're pushing through the idea of digital id tied to health of a digital id tied to a health , particularly because the eu is also restrictions on also putting restrictions on twitter and saying that if you want use twitter the eu, want to use twitter in the eu, you have abide by all rules you have to abide by all rules of censorship. quite glad we of censorship. i'm quite glad we still be in the single market and abide by some of those rules, but we'd lose the tariffs. don't forget, when we were anyway. but were recused from anyway. but we're cooperating. things we're still cooperating. things like europol and things like that. one of biggest that. for me, one of the biggest things take your things i entirely take your point. know, we factor point. you know, we can't factor ukraine out this. we can't

ukraine out of this. we can't factor, know, the pandemic. factor, you know, the pandemic. well, to well, that business is going to break united kingdom break up the united kingdom quite irish quite simply, the irish situation insoluble. situation is insoluble. there's absolutely you can have a absolutely no way you can have a border on the 302 miles from donegal to dundalk without it being defended, protected and subsequently attacked. michael collins did a lot for the unification ireland. boris unification of ireland. boris johnson has done much more. i cannot see how we can solve that issue. and ireland becomes 30 issue. and if ireland becomes 30 to ireland again , what's to county, ireland again, what's the to scotland? i think the message to scotland? i think that's a huge constitutional impact. yes but the majority of ireland already is unified. and if the majority people , if the majority of people, northern ireland want to be unified, mean, geographically, unified, i mean, geographically, you southern an awful you know, southern is an awful lot than obviously . oh, lot larger than obviously. oh, no, no. i mean, remember no, no, no. i mean, i remember somebody when i was serving in northern ireland, somebody said to have a border to me, well, we do have a border in we call the in ireland. we call it the beach. never understand. sorry about want to about that. i don't want to i could never understand when people in northern that people in northern ireland that wanted unite ireland wanted to unite ireland completely and violence completely use guns and violence because the day, because at the end of the day, majority rules . so make majority rules. so just make sure that there are more catholics in their persons

catholics in their own persons and what they're all now they've just come out of this in recent months, hang on second. i months, but hang on a second. i mean, a catholic in mean, if you're a catholic in derry in the 1970s, 1980s, you know, to have votes know, you had to have 15 votes for your protestant for your for one protestant vote. so, you know, believe you me, gerrymandering was brutal in the northern in the northern ireland back in those ultimately, those days. but ultimately, you're would always i you're right, i would always i would not would be a ballot box, not anomaly person, but i have to say, think a united say, i think that a united ireland going to be one of the unintended brexit. unintended conflicts of brexit. and got and of course you've got nicholas sturgeon trying to push for referendum in the for another referendum in the north. with north. well, good luck with that. obviously, she's that. well, obviously, she's been back at been she's been pushed back at this stage, but this particular stage, but it does like james, it that we does feel like james, it that we are in very precarious are living in very precarious times in terms of the union off of britain and where of great britain and where we sit the global stage. yeah. sit on the global stage. yeah. i mean very pro—remain. so mean is very pro—remain. so i mean is very pro—remain. so i mean if, if i mean i take the point about these figures is hard discern what the cost to hard to discern what the cost to us as individuals is. hard to discern what the cost to us as individuals is . i think us as individuals is. i think even the cbi has talked about the cost of business of brexit and i think if you're a scottish , you live in a territory where most supported remain. think most supported remain. i think it does hurt to be told that is

costing you money to be outside the european union and especially when you have a party you can vote for that would promise to take you back or at least try to take you back into europe. that there's europe. interesting that there's no and hell's no there's not a cat and hell's chance scotland as an chance of scotland as an independent joining independent country joining the european were not european union of spain were not the themes immediately for the major themes immediately for each because each other. and because of catalonia you didn't have the situation was salesa with brittany with over europe, brittany with all over europe, there's absolute there's people with absolute veto that. so i don't actually weep for nicolas weep sometimes for nicolas i know some may allow themselves a brief moment gloating, but brief moment of gloating, but i mean, she's a dreadful mean, she's in a dreadful position i think got position and i think we've got to proper serious to have some proper serious devolution. otherwise, i think split . jonny if split as a brexiteer. jonny if rishi sunak , as i said, several rishi sunak, as i said, several times, i don't feel that his heart is in the protection of this country. i think he's one of those people who is a true citizen of the planet. him and his wife will probably they weren't retire to their home counties. they will retire to one of their many houses around world, california. it's a california. if he were to

suggest closer ties again with europe, how would that go down in the country to think how would it go down with the country or how get it down with me with here. so 51% badly. i'm a great believer in democracy. at the end of the day, if there was a huge movement saying that we have to have another vote, as much think that would be much as i think that would be disaster in terms of the turmoil that would it would cause, i always respectful of will always be respectful of the will of people. and if the vast of the people. and if the vast majority return, i want majority want to return, i want to that then then i to explore that then then i would tip and say, okay would tip my hat and say, okay with fair when rishi was with a fair bit. when rishi was asked that exactly one of his first, when these few jokes sometimes he actually sometimes you when he actually lost truss remember lost to liz truss remember liz truss. yes. and said to i truss. yes. and he said to i said okay you know you look said well okay you know you look i you're thinking. i i know what you're thinking. i think going be monday think i'm going to be monday morning, to on morning, i'm going to on the first plane to california. it's not true. no way fares much cheaper on tuesday. would be cheaper on tuesday. it would be funny didn't so funny if it didn't wasn't so close, it? anyway, close, wasn't it? but anyway, moving new research has moving on now, new research has shown six in ten older shown that six in ten older teens england potential

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gb news. very good morning. it's 11:36 very good morning. it's11:36 a.m. very good morning. it's11:36 am. this is bev turner today on gb news have been sending in your views. we've this twitter poll running at the moment over this royal racism storm as the tabloids are calling it as am i this lady hussy who was at an

event and she was asked by a charity worker, sorry, she asked a charity worker where she from. the lady has read relayed this conversation from her point of view, there's nobody there to verify whether this is actually what has been said. but the fact that lady horsey asked her this several times and was saying several times and she was saying well, i'm from london even though she she clearly black and she has resigned over matter because the woman in question called her racist for asking this several times. marcus said just to say how uncomfortable i feel about susan hussey's resignation she is of her generation . we all know older generation. we all know older people who don't get modern terminology and more, but buckingham palace, including william fear, a pr disaster. i couldn't agree more. she's 83 and in fact, she is three. is twitter is trending on twitter at the moment. a lot of people defending lisa said, of course, lazy lady susan shouldn't been made. it's resigned. she was front of someone dressed in african style clothing and to make conversation, she asked the

woman where she comes from. this is bullying an old lady by an alleged victim. and russell said lady hussey only wanted to know full on his heritage which could have been easily answered . what have been easily answered. what do you think? gb news gb news is that you can i'm going to be discussing this with my panel as well in just a little while. now, a new survey from the nhs of mental health and children and people discovered and young people has discovered that six in ten older teens in england have possible eating problems with those aged 20 to 23 affected. the most . these 23 affected. the most. these figures are deeply concerning, but what is the main factor causing this increase? joining me now is nutrition guest monica price and hemmings behavioural psychology . ladies, thank you psychology. ladies, thank you both for joining psychology. ladies, thank you both forjoining me psychology. ladies, thank you both for joining me very much. and these stats are shocking, but i would say that if you have any young people in your life, not remotely surprising, if you know what i mean. why is this happening? younger people? why are having such complicated are they having such complicated relationships , food ? you

relationships with, food? you know, it's not that that's shocking or surprising, but it's worrying because what they're essentially doing is clogging up the bit before it turns into a full blown eating disorder. so they're looking at young people's relationship with food, which is not good. i mean, there's a number of reasons. one is general stress and anxiety. there's a bit of i was uncovered lockdown what people control over their lives and then very fearful of school as schooling affects my education was interrupted but also there's a lot going on on social there's a lot going on on social there's a lot of hashtag. yes. that might be a girl's or something seemingly innocent . then seemingly innocent. then actually what they are you how do these things to how basically achieve an eating disorder how to be thin when you're you're successful and you'll be happy andifs successful and you'll be happy and it's this, i think, coming from social media is particularly worrying. it's regular to a degree, but these hashtags which we won't

necessarily know, but people, young people do , it's not a peer young people do, it's not a peer group pressure basically coming into it from youtube , whatever into it from youtube, whatever it if i can come to you, monica, we all have we i would say an emotional relationship to food in some way. what's going wrong for these young people , you say, for these young people, you say, yes . good morning, beth. it's yes. good morning, beth. it's this is really a shocking survey . again, i kind of echo joe said these are not surprising by this survey, but i'm very worried by it. and this is this is a young generation who are now looking at food in a totally different way . they're not even enjoying way. they're not even enjoying food . i see so many young people food. i see so many young people now who are more worried about the food , not exactly the types the food, not exactly the types of food they're eating, just how that food is going to make them look. is it going to make them sell weight? they're not eating because don't want put because they don't want to put on weight. a real problem on weight. so we a real problem now with the relationship just

with we all need food. with food and we all need food. you there's such as an you know, there's no such as an unhealthy every food that unhealthy food. every food that we have will have some kind of nutritional value. but children have kind of lost this and this survey that was done. i think the ages were between seven and 24. so and it was just under 3000. so this was very broad survey and just discovered that nearly three quarters of the girls in particular have some kind of some kind of problem and the way that they cool that is something like they might feel ashamed because they're eating too much they may feel ashamed because they're not eating enough. it might be because their body appearance is not happy their parents, happy with. their parents, it could stress , it could be could be stress, it could be anxiety. but of course , all anxiety. but of course, all these all these problems these things, all these problems will have much higher risk of will have a much higher risk of them actually leading to eating disorder like anorexia and bulimia, for example , which are bulimia, for example, which are very serious eating . so what very serious eating. so what might the warning signs be for parents who might have teenagers

in their life? we're not talking at this stage about, as you say, clinically anorexia or bulimia . clinically anorexia or bulimia. so what is it? what does it like to parents ? i think something to parents? i think something that's like two parents. if you see your child is either gaining a loss of weight quickly or losing a lot of weight quickly. that's the key. if it's if they're eating away from the family, if they're going to their rooms to eat or saying they've already eaten , that that they've already eaten, that that might be to do with shame against that. if they're going to live alone. i mean, also this sort of doesn't say bulimia itself. the start up again , if itself. the start up again, if you begin to do that, you begin to mix up your food. so it's for changes in your child's behaviour around as monica says, the relationship with food . i the relationship with food. i mean, what are they doing in a meeting you all they actually pushing stuff under something hide it they're rushing off the table , something else to do. table, something else to do. you'll just notice change in behaviour. now if that persists,

every child goes through a moment when they think i'm not hungry or i've got something best to do. but if you see the you consistently and repeatedly , then i think it's a big threat to monica. what can we do as parents then to encourage good relationships with food and a healthy attitude towards meal time . i think the best thing to time. i think the best thing to do is just not be what make it stressful . you know, as a parent stressful. you know, as a parent myself that from the moment that we want to feed them some intuition from a mother or a parent to feed your child , make parent to feed your child, make that meal time is less stressful. it is possible because , you know, if somebody because, you know, if somebody if somebody is having these problems and not having this positive relationship with food, then we to kind of take a step back and just say practical and often, as opposed to the kind of standard three day, three meals a day kind of thing that we tend to do in the uk and also variety. you know, don't be don't get the same variety is very important and really the

most important thing that is to talk is to find some way to communicate with your child. you know, there are many, many wonderful local support and charities out there that can help that child and would say as a nutritionist, it's one of the most common things i'm seeing at the moment. parents are getting touch with me, wanting to know what can do with their child, sit and then it's very easy, i think, for an adult, isn't it, to give their opinion, but it's really important . just sit and really important. just sit and listen your child . listen to your child. understand. yeah i love understand. this is. yeah i love the fact that you say don't make a big deal out of it. i mean my kids have been coming home on these winter nights and these cold winter nights and reaching biscuit or reaching for the biscuit tin or a packet crisps. and so the a packet of crisps. and so the other day made a big other day just made a big platter of like a dead quick chopped up red peppers are carrots, tomato, cucumber. and i just left it on the side just sort of left it on the side when they came and i didn't say anything and of course, guess what? came in and what? they all came in and we said, we're starving. and said, oh, we're starving. and they a load of they just all later a load of that and you know,

that before and you know, reverse psychology on these teenagers. they're difficult enough thank enough as it is. ladies, thank you much. nutritionist monica you so much. nutritionist monica price behavioural price there on behavioural psychologist as price there on behavioural psyapproach as price there on behavioural psyapproach christmas, as price there on behavioural psyapproach christmas, north as we approach christmas, north yorkshire police is drink and dnnk yorkshire police is drink and drink drive campaign has begun. officers are encouraging the pubuc officers are encouraging the public to ring nine, nine, nine if they see any unsafe driving. anna riley has the story . save anna riley has the story. save a life and call it in. that's the message that north yorkshire police is spreading this month to prevent families facing christmas without loved ones because of drink drivers. members of the are being urged to call 999 if they suspect anyone is behind the wheel when under the influence. and police are conducting spot roadside to breathalysed motorists . we're breathalysed motorists. we're seeing more and more fatalities. high proportion which i'll call all drugs is involved and. that's not just necessarily like dnnk that's not just necessarily like drink driving. on the night of . drink driving. on the night of. it's also the following morning as well. so it's really key

really to try and reduce the amount of serious collisions that we have and say how it is because it has devastating effects not only those people who are involved, but also families, communities and for emergency service workers who are also obviously attending those scenes. traffic jerry toney says motoring should look out for people driving while under the speed limit. swerving or not having their lights on. coming up, christmas and so you've got more people going out on christmas day. people tend to dnnk on christmas day. people tend to drink that bit more think and the temptation is always there for individuals into the vehicle afterwards and drive and all i'd say is think about your actions and don't and for those who do see people doing that, please ring us . and you know, you could ring us. and you know, you could be saving a life by doing so. if a person's found guilty of drink driving , they can be fined, driving, they can be fined, banned from the roads or even sent to . you probably can't go sent to. you probably can't go to work without a driving licence. you can't go see your

family. what if you've got ill family. what if you've got ill family that they rely on you for care you? then use a car care you? then can't use a car to go see them. you can't go into shop. can't your into your shop. you can't your christmas like the christmas shop like the implications. and i've got a driving a huge it's driving licence, a huge and it's only people are sat in a only when people are sat in a small concrete room looking up do they realise oh dear, the fire service come to the rescue in serious and suggest drivers stay clear of alcohol. all together. if people are going out year, please be mindful . out year, please be mindful. leave the car , a taxi channel, leave the car, a taxi channel, both . one of the things we don't both. one of the things we don't want to be doing is seeing on a dark, wintry roads, having to cut them out of the vehicle the campaign runs from now january the first and police will be publishing regular updates of arrests made on a riley harrogate . and cambridge for the harrogate. and cambridge for the people who write. we have a very talkative panel here all chatting away. let me use it to them. a former labour mp, stephen pound is here . author

stephen pound is here. author james bloodworth and broadcaster and journalist johnny gill. right stephen. we're going to be talking about prisons. funny, isn't it's not been a topic. there are times we go through when prisons in a state of our penal service is all over the press everybody talks about it for it's been quite for a while it's been quite a lot of other stuff going on. and it looks like they're in an absolute mess, aren't they? the capacity triggering capacity is triggering emergency plans cells instead. i plans to use cells instead. i know . i think of the know. i mean, think of the prisons out of sight, of prisons as out of sight, out of mind. that's right. always mind. that's right. and i always thought salutary thought it was very salutary that had to go that they i actually had to go to prison for two or three weeks as part of one of these fact finding things, which at the sharp was like an early sharp end was like an early reality i was in reality thing. and i was in dartmoor, i'm one of the dartmoor, and i'm one of the figures that remember was figures that i remember was i think were just over 80,000 think they were just over 80,000 people england and people in prisons in england and wales was twice the wales then, which was twice the number of people that were in the navy, i think the royal navy, which i think pretty but this pretty terrifying. but what this is actually about the is about is actually about the about who are about temporary people who are remanded remanded in remanded on bail or remanded in custody from the magistrates courts. now, if you take big courts. now, if you take my big we have a police station

we used to have a police station in norwood green. had cells in norwood green. we had cells out greenford, out in southall in greenford, in ealing, it seems like ealing, all. and it seems like in last 20 years we've been in the last 20 years we've been selling now selling everything. and now trying it. so you've trying to rebuild it. so you've now got if you get arrested in west get taken to west london, you get taken to heathrow playschool. heathrow airport playschool. there's in there's a little holding cell in the middle of heathrow airport. and if you're from hillingdon or hounslow, we're eating. that's where absolutely where you go. absolutely ridiculous. what terrifies me about really frightens me about it really frightens me about it really frightens me about who has about it really frightens me aiproven who has about it really frightens me aiproven wrong who has about it really frightens me aiproven wrong and who has about it really frightens me aiproven wrong and a who has about it really frightens me aiproven wrong and a real/ho has a proven wrong and a real villain who's normally would be remanded in custody to maybe for the magistrates to the the magistrates court, to the crown going to crown court, they're going to be roaming streets. there's roaming the streets. but there's another have been another of people who have been forgotten this is the forgotten about. this is the young who supposedly forgotten about. this is the young in who supposedly forgotten about. this is the young in secure |o supposedly forgotten about. this is the young in secure accommodation placed in secure accommodation these because we've now got people round people with knives round our way, killing other . way, people killing each other. 16 years old. you get taken into court. magistrate will court. the magistrate will originally hear case then. originally hear the case then. are going to send 16 are you going to send that 16 year boy onto the street year old boy out onto the street 7 year old boy out onto the street ? they should be insecure ? no. they should be insecure accommodation necessary in accommodation or if necessary in accommodation or if necessary in a police cell. and if we're going to be the prisons going to be using the prisons for that, then all we're doing is squeezing the toothpaste tube in and it'll bulge up in one place and it'll bulge up in one place and it'll bulge up

in another. so we just setting up we close the police up problems. we close the police stations. we're closing prisons. we privatise prisons . i we privatise the prisons. i think need is more think what we need is more prisons not admission prisons. it's not an admission of failure . i think it's an of failure. i think it's an admission of sins. and think admission of sins. and i think dickens you always dickens said, you can always judge by the way, it judge a society, by the way, it teaches its prisoners. at the moment, our actually a funny thing this, but they thing to say this, but they actually something actually deserve something better getting at better than they're getting at the above all, the state the moment. above all, the state deserves you think, deserves it. what do you think, james? yeah, i agree with much. i we have a i think the issue we have a prisoner at the moment shows how shortsighted of the shortsighted some of the austerity policies were 2010 onwards. so there are 10,000 fewer prison places now than there were in 2010. and this is from the party, supposedly the conservatives, a party of law and order i'm mean, i think and order. i'm i mean, i think we should recalibrate the prison population. so i think some people are in there for non—violent offences. i think that should be more an that should be more of an approach rehabilitative approach that should be more of an apthat.h rehabilitative approach that should be more of an apthat. but1abilitative approach that should be more of an apthat. but i|bilitative approach that should be more of an apthat. but i do itative approach that should be more of an apthat. but i do think approach that should be more of an apthat. but i do think i'miroach to that. but i do think i'm quite firm on law and when it comes to violent crimes, i think people should get stiffer sentences for crimes involving violence. and i think more people actually locked

people should actually be locked up but you up for those things. but you have actually fund have to actually fund the service properly have the service properly and have the prison places to do that. traditionally, in times of economic like now get economic strife like now we get more crimes of stealing in times of economic boom, we get more violent crime. interestingly, johnny traditionally. so we're looking at a time when people are going to be being arrested, probably for shoplifting and stealing and selling things out of the back of the car, arguably to make ends meet. so i'm not excusing it, but i'm saying there some desperate people there are some desperate people out those people out there. should those people be in prison. big i know. sorry about that. yeah well, at the end of the day , my view has end of the day, my view has always been how much of a threat to society is someone ultimately for whatever crime committed and if they're not a threat to society, then should be other means with which they are punished that are more appropriate to the crime that they've caused, the the they've caused, the end of the day. what we're seeing here, i mean, got remember, mean, you've got to remember, the barristers strike hasn't helped lot prisoners in helped a lot more prisoners in remand. that's that's

remand. and that's that's obviously the situation remand. and that's that's obviywe.y the situation remand. and that's that's obviywe find the situation remand. and that's that's obviywe find ourselvese situation remand. and that's that's obviywe find ourselvese sitbuton that we find ourselves in. but the point most even judges that we find ourselves in. but the p(ist most even judges that we find ourselves in. but the p(is absolutely even judges that we find ourselves in. but the p(is absolutely spot] judges that we find ourselves in. but the p(is absolutely spot on.1ges that we find ourselves in. but the p(is absolutely spot on. this make is absolutely spot on. this is all reaction to the reality right now. instead of planning ahead. and the reality is we more prisons. that's the simple the need to build the infrastructure and we need to plan in advance . and what we've plan in advance. and what we've been seeing over the last decade or is the exact opposite. or two is the exact opposite. and is the and therefore, this is the perfect storm you create. perfect storm that you create. yeah. also, stephen, don't yeah. and also, stephen, don't you think this this has to start also in education? we need to be educating, particularly young boys.i educating, particularly young boys. i know that's a bit sexist, but crimes are still committed by. men and so that they're not pursuing a life of crime, whatever that means . as crime, whatever that means. as if it's not sexist at all. it's true. it's an expression of reality and it's what the for the fact is, when i mentioned this thing in dartmouth, one of the things i discovered very quickly was that 73% of the prisoners in dartmoor were functionally illiterate. and i think a huge number of people in those days were people, parents and themselves had worked in the

pits wales and they suddenly pits in wales and they suddenly that job just didn't appear at the fair anyway. we have to educate mean, in educate people. i mean, in all honesty, here for honesty, we could sit here for the 24 hours and we could the next 24 hours and we could probably with some probably come up with some fairly sensible but it's fairly sensible ideas. but it's a right now with a huge issue right now with education medium to, long term, short build, few nicks very short term build, few nicks very quickly pick up on that. but we've my capacity as a we've got to my capacity as a charity auctioneer. i work for the school of hard knocks. i work delilah. rugby was work for delilah. a rugby was basically is doing basically to charity is doing the and that is the same thing and that is focusing on kids that have been left outside of the system that have of school have been forced out of school due behaviouristviolence, due to behaviourist violence, etc. success have etc. the success they have using rugby as the core of rugby in sport as the core of the values that they instil and the values that they instil and the re—education and giving them the values that they instil and tisenseeducation and giving them the values that they instil and tisense of|cation and giving them the values that they instil and tisense of worth. and giving them the values that they instil and tisense of worth. theyjiving them the values that they instil and tisense of worth. they have them a sense of worth. they have something like an 80% success rate without them , 80% of rate and without them, 80% of these kids are going to end up in jail. yeah simple fact. absolutely right . this the absolutely right. this is the big story lot of the big story that a lot of the press talking about today is press is talking about today is lady hussey 83. she was the queen's lady in waiting. she was her confidante . she was the her confidante. she was the queen's companion . prince

queen's companion. prince philip's funeral . she's prince philip's funeral. she's prince william's godmother. mean she's a big part of the royal institution and she's resigned because she had this conversation with a charity worker, a lady called, and goes if forlani and in this exchange that there's the lady on on the evening in question this exchange 83 year old lady hussey said to her where are you from? and she said, i'm london. and she said, no, but where are you really from? now we're taking this because this given us her account this has been account events and this has been blown up in my opinion, out of all proportion . sure, there is all proportion. sure, there is no place in this world for true racial discrimination, but my feeling is the stories like this detract james from actual true against people on the basis of that. i do think the accusations leave a bad taste in the mouth. so i think there is a way to ask someone where they're from, what heritage is. but i think reading i've only read once one side's account of this. i think we should make that clear. we should make that clear. we should have only have one side

of it. but from reading that it seems very least like a faux seems the very least like a faux pas. it seems like someone was quite rude. they've, they've, they've asked, they've asked them from. they them where they're from. they said london they've, they've said london, they've, they've pressed you pressed and said where are you really they should really from. and they should have seem to they, they seem have it seem to they, they seem to lack social etiquette when in asking this i think it could be construed i think it could be construed i think it could be construed as racist. yes. i mean, i don't think i don't want to in country where to live in a country where asking someone they're asking someone where they're from, their heritage from, asking what their heritage is racist is automatically branded racist by. didn't it left a bad taste in the mouth reading this this account. it's a divisive account. it's a very divisive issue should we be a little more forgiving of lady elsie because she's stephen i think we she's 83? stephen i think we should. i mean, obviously one has for fulani has sympathy for ngozi fulani but entirely sure why but i'm not entirely sure why she felt it necessary to give us a blow by the great list of this. i mean, you know, lady, how she was married to how she she was married to marmaduke. he was chairman of governors bbc. was you governors of the bbc. he was you should you know, should be sort of, you know, fairly of things. fairly aware of these things. but this like the, you but look, this is like the, you know, apocryphal about know, the apocryphal thing about the south end by—election when

they a candidate they interviewed a candidate said happen to said where who happen to be black they said, you black and they said, where you from? well, southend, from? they said, well, southend, but born? but where were you born? the south yeah, where were south end. yeah, but where were you before that? i mean, you born before that? i mean, you born before that? i mean, you but what's you do get that, but what's interesting about it being blown out of proportion. there's few people here know from west people here i know from west london and large, we tend london and by and large, we tend to either irish or to come from either irish or half when. meet half irish when. you meet somebody first somebody else from the first thing is where you from thing you say is where you from home. equally, you've hussey home. equally, if you've hussey and on these receiving and i've been on these receiving lines have many times when lines you have many times when the queen comes down just two questions have come questions you know have you come you are you from. you know where are you from. yeah you so yeah it's what you do. so i think the problem here is initially it was perfectly sound. it then became and embarrassing, mean, embarrassing, you know. i mean, i also say it's a is i would also say it's a no is 83. it's a very noisy gathering. could hear her properly ? we could she hear her properly? we just know. and i hate just don't know. and i just hate the that also that william the fact that also that william prince defended prince william has not defended her. we have no her. and he said, we have no place this gentleman. i've place for this gentleman. i've got johnny, i wanted got to finish. johnny, i wanted last to you, but we've run last word to you, but we've run out of time. you'll have to come back again soon, won't you? back again very soon, won't you? our result, you said our poll result, 91% of you said that was not an act of

that this was not an act of which have say, i think which i have to say, i think common got that right. common sense got that right. we've come to the end of the show. i'll be back on monday. coming is gb news day coming up next is gb news day with longhurst bass. with mark longhurst on bass. fattah al—sisi. hello i'm aidan mcgivern the met. foggy for mcgivern from the met. foggy for many of us morning and into the afternoon that folks sticking around places that feel cold around in places that feel cold weather happens but for the north england scotland and north of england scotland and northern ireland. we've seen cloudy overnight so that's cloudy skies overnight so that's kept away , the frost kept the fog away, the frost away has brought some away that has brought some outbreaks of rain weather moving through that continue to through and that continue to bnng through and that continue to bring damp weather to scotland to the north of england as well .dunng to the north of england as well . during the afternoon, most of the turned on and off, the rain line turned on and off, but it's fairly persistent for the isles, far the northern isles, the far north northeast of scotland north and northeast of scotland , something a little drier for the isles . well, as the western isles. well, as northern ireland by the afternoon the south of the afternoon for the south of the uk, of sunny spells, uk, a mixture of sunny spells, but some of that dense fog but also some of that dense fog sticking around where the fog sticks around, it's going to feel cold 5 celsius where feel cold 2 to 5 celsius where we get the sunshine 9 to 11 degrees. but in the south, once

again overnight, we're going to see reform and become see that fog reform and become extended . if across central and extended. if across central and southern parts of the uk. so east wales through to the midlands into southern counties of england, very poor visibility on the roads, first thing and it's going to feel cold temperatures hovering near scotland and northern ireland meanwhile, sees cloudier conditions and some of those outbreaks rain persisting across eastern and the far north england. the rain tends to peter out during friday and actually for many places it's drier, although showers continue to feed into the far southeast as well as parts of anglia by the end of the afternoon, a strengthening easterly breeze will lift the fog and so brighter skies are expected later friday, but that easterly is going to make it feel colder as . we head into the weekend . so as. we head into the weekend. so change on the way for the weekend and it looks like we'll see less fog by night but we'll also see this easterly wind bnng also see this easterly wind bring increased singly showery

weather from the north. those showers falling as rain at lower levels and snow of the hills and it'll feel cold in the wind .