hello watching andrew pass here on gb news with you until 2 pm. talking about some of the big stories from the week. here's what's coming up. a new winter discontent approach is not just on the railways but in the nhs . on the railways but in the nhs. to zambians workers hospital, staff and nurses coordinate . staff and nurses coordinate. their walkouts. i'm going to be asking a union boss why he seems comfortable risking patients lives . and a fresh outbreak of lives. and a fresh outbreak of gypsy lives. and a fresh outbreak of gypsy in the ftx migrant processing centre i homeland security security editor mark white will be with me to discuss

his latest gp news exclusive and with a rally for royal racism diverting everyone's attention, meghan tries to bring the spotlight back to her as she releases that new trailer for her netflix documentary with harry. it seems to have wrecked . that was always the plan. the prince and princess of wales trip to the united states but have analysis from the pond digesting . all of this with me digesting. all of this with me for the next hour will be former government minister and royal author norman baker. i knew at home, of course you're such an important of this show. what are your opinions? what we're talking email me at gb talking about? email me at gb news at gb news uk or tweet me at gb news. i'll put your points of view to those i speak to and maybe even get to speak to you live on air. all that coming. but first, the latest news . but first, the latest news. hello there. good afternoon. it's 12:01. i'm bethany elsey . it's12:01. i'm bethany elsey. the gb newsroom sajid javid has

announced he will not stand again the next general election. the for bromsgrove was given the was the health secretary until july this year when he stood in the tory leadership campaign. he also held other cabinet positions, including chancellor and home secretary. in a letter to the prime minister, mr. javid said serving the government had been the privilege of his life and that he hoped his best was sufficient gb news understands health officials saw dealing with another outbreak of diphtheria at the ftx processing centre in kent . the new cases centre in kent. the new cases were discovered the more than 2000 channel migrants who've arrived on small boats in recent days. gb news has obtained exclusive still images from inside ftx , revealing some of inside ftx, revealing some of the conditions are living in. the images show dormitories with sleeping mats next to each other on the floor and you can hear the full details of this story with a home. and security editor mark. white in just a few

moments . mark. white in just a few moments. labour's mark. white in just a few moments . labour's deputy leader moments. labour's deputy leader says it's clear the people of chester , a labour government chester, a labour government after the party's candidate, won in a by—election samantha dixon has been duly elected as the member of for. parliament the city of chester . samantha city of chester. samantha increased the party's majority more than 4000 to almost 11,000. the contest , triggered by the the contest, triggered by the resignation of former labour mp christine , following complaints christine, following complaints serious sexual harassment . he serious sexual harassment. he denies the allegations . angela denies the allegations. angela rayner says it's the worst for the conservatives in the city since 1832. the angry with the conservatives who have crushed the economy that they've their sleep cars that's engulfed them, the constant bickering, the not being able to get britain moving again, everyone feels like it's again, everyone feels like it's a constant backlog and they're damaging our economy and that damaging our economy and that damaging people's prospects and the people of chester the city of chester have given a huge

message to the conservative voice that they want change and they want a labour government . they want a labour government. two teenage boys have been charged with the murders. 216 year olds, he was stabbed to death just a mile apart in south—east london. kearney caelan keith was found intends meat and charlie pitolo and ap wood. last month met police says the boys aged and 16 will appear at bromley magistrates later. an 18 year old man was also arrested this morning in connection with their deaths . connection with their deaths. rmt union boss is holding urgent talks with the government in a bid to halt planned over the christmas period . marc lynch met christmas period. marc lynch met with scotland's transport minister yesterday. the pair have westminster to intervene the network rail pay dispute. transport secretary mark harper said he wanted to work with rmt and employees in good to resolve issues. speaking on his way to meet rail minister merriman, the rmt general said the offer must be meaningful. we had a

structure in which we negotiate. they've never put an offer on the table, so hopefully even today or over the weekend, we'll today or over the weekend, we'll to do that. and then we'll have to do that. and then we'll have to take that back to the unions, see we'll see what they come up with. well they're definitely moving. it's definitely different what is over the different to what is over the last months. there's last six months. there's no doubt that. but we've got doubt about that. but we've got to find out whether it's meaningful, whether it's just, you dressing . royal you know, window dressing. royal mail been told it cannot mail has been told it cannot keep blaming the covid pandemic for late deliveries. after the firm had failed to meet of its annual delivery targets last yean annual delivery targets last year, regulator ofcom , just 82% year, regulator ofcom, just 82% of first class mail was delivered within one working day. that's below a target of 93. ofcom performance at royal mail also fell well short of where it be in the early part of this financial year. where it be in the early part of this financial year . and sir this financial year. and sir elton john has been announced as the first headline act of glastonbury festival year. organisers say it'll be the final uk show of elton's ever to

it, making it the mother of all send offs . the star said he send offs. the star said he couldn't be more excited and that there's no more fitting to say goodbye to british fans . the say goodbye to british fans. the music event will return to worthy farm in somerset in june . this is gb news. bring you more news as it happens. now let's get back to andrew . let's get back to andrew. so there seems to be strikes , so there seems to be strikes, more strikes and yet even more strikes these days with industrial unrest across , the industrial unrest across, the entire country. we've had royal mail workers, education staff on strike this week, rallying nurses strikes are scheduled for the run up to christmas and amazon's work as a member of the gmb unions also voted gmb and unite unions also voted to strike overpay . it's another to strike overpay. it's another winter of discontent and at this rate it's been said could be worse than the last one. back 1978. let's talk now to owner

kassab, who's the national officer at unite the union. good afternoon to you . the afternoon to you. the consequence, surely, of health workers going on strike, whether it's workers or , nurses. it's workers or, nurses. patients could die . good patients could die. good afternoon . the reality that afternoon. the reality that because of happening in the nhs at the moment a level of vacancies to record high levels now and patients are put at risk right now today. that's the reality and our members are taking action . yes. taking action. yes. fundamentally around pay but because we want to save the nhs because we want to save the nhs because we want to save the nhs because we need to recruit. and retain staff in. to make sure that there are safe staffing levels. and let me also be absolutely clear on this point . absolutely clear on this point. you're not the union will be ensuring that we discuss with the employers to ensure that there are measures put in place to make sure that emergencies are dealt with and that patients

are dealt with and that patients are for. no nhs strike takes place without that happening. first of all, sir will be in discussion with the to make sure measures in place to ensure that there is cover when our members are taking structured to deal with emergencies. but let me emphasise this is about saving the nhs at the moment. only 25% of ships have planned number of nurses on so lives have been put at risk now and that is why the trade unions are taking action to save the nhs. kassab if you say patients lives are at risk now, they're going to be even more risk if your members withdraw their labour. it's obvious now . the reality is that obvious now. the reality is that why got this short strike action will take over , will be taken will take over, will be taken over a short period of time. there is long term risk as far as safety is concerned , and as safety is concerned, and that's what we want to address. strike action would short and we

will make sure that our emergency cover measures put in place. but the problem is, the long term in the long term , long term in the long term, patient safety is put at risk. and that is why we are taking action to that. people are paid properly so they're not having to rely on soap banks so that they do remain working at the nhs and that we can get recruitment levels back up. we are now well over 133,000 vacancies in england alone. that's record high levels and there are patients being put at risk right now as we speak and it there is only the trade unions that are doing something about that by taking the action that we are taking . nhs staff that we are taking. nhs staff have been offered 1400 pounds extra for the lowest pay. that's 9.3% increase. that's a pretty big increase . i know the cost big increase. i know the cost inflation is 11, but we're in a cost of living crisis . money is cost of living crisis. money is short. mr. cassar, if you're

being unrealistic, aren't in seeking rises sometimes of 79 and a half, 19% the reality is the retail price index measure inflation, which we prefer, is 14.2. our members are being asked to take a pay cut. that is the reality . we are not being the reality. we are not being unrealistic and this is about choices . do we unrealistic and this is about choices. do we make a choice to pay choices. do we make a choice to pay nhs staff properly or do we make a choice to ? allow bankers make a choice to? allow bankers bonuses carry on rising? is a choice about where we the money to go? you're not research has shown that the leading companies in uk have been making huge profits bigger than what they were making even before the pandemic . so the reality is that pandemic. so the reality is that this is choices. there is money out there. in our view, it's just that the wrong people have got it and i've got too much of it. our view is that that money needs to be redistributed to workers , including those in the workers, including those in the

nhs . bankers bonuses aren't paid nhs. bankers bonuses aren't paid by the taxpayer, mr. caselli. they're paid by the banks. health workers are paid by the taxpayer. if you have a pay rise of 17 and a half percent, that's going to cost the country even more money. put the country into even more debt. it's public money. the people's money . money. it's the people's money. no, the inflation crisis taking place at the moment is due to profiteering. that's going on. i'm going to interrupt you. there's an inflation crisis across the . world what our across the. world what our research has shown is that within the uk , the inflation within the uk, the inflation crisis down to profiteering. we've been to just stress from request this research from we are more than happy to provide you with that our document we've press released at document. we've made it publicly available it's available and our website and is accepted that companies have been making huge profits much higher than they were

making before the pandemic. but look to come to your point. the point we're making is that this is about choices . there is money is about choices. there is money in. it's wrong to say that there isn't money. the issue is about where that. money goes when you have companies profiteering at such a high level. at the same time , we're not able to pay time, we're not able to pay nurses and other nhs workers the cost of living around . and i cost of living around. and i emphasise that point, cost of living around. and i emphasise that point , the cost emphasise that point, the cost of living , a rise that ensures of living, a rise that ensures that our to live without relying food banks. and the question is about what choices we're making . to nica can we just go back to where we started defining this? can you give a guarantee know people will die because of the industrial action taken by your members? can you give that guarantee we can give a guarantee we can give a guarantee that will work with the employers , with the trusts, the employers, with the trusts, to make sure there is emergency cover. to make sure there is emergency cover . i to make sure there is emergency cover. i made the point earlier on that people are being put at

risk already. now and that question should be asked to the government. why are people being put at risk now? a choosing not to address the situation. there are measures that can taken to address the situation and they include paying our members a decent wage, staying and this may come as a surprise to some of your viewers but actually engaging in negotiations there are no negotiations with . the are no negotiations with. the trade unions, we have a pay review that tells people what the what the percentage rise is going to be. it's about that was scrapped. and we actually in negotiations. all right . that's negotiations. all right. that's only because that piece nationally that unite the union. thanks for joining nationally that unite the union. thanks forjoining me. nationally that unite the union. thanks for joining me. well, joining me throughout the hour is former lib dem mp and is the former lib dem mp and government minister norman baken government minister norman baker. independent baker. norman, an independent review recommended hundred review body, recommended hundred pounds. that's what the government is saying. implement shouldn't that be enough? no. in an ideal world, they'd be paid more. but that's what the independent independent peer review body recommended. well,

it may well be not enough. i don't know, but the point is that when you move away from an independent review body, independent pay review body, then dangerous then you're in dangerous territory. happens territory. because what happens then very then is that? and i'm very surprised hear union surprised to hear the union leader suggest that there's too much because the reason much of that because the reason the body place for the pay body was in place for the pay body was in place for the public sector stop the public sector was to stop governments clamping unnecessarily to unnecessarily on public set to pay, unnecessarily on public set to pay, is what were pay, which is what they were doing beforehand. soldiers doing beforehand. these soldiers an to that an easy target to do that the pubuc an easy target to do that the public sector suffering the pay review bodies are to protect the pubuc review bodies are to protect the public sector workers, a matter of so, you know, that's of fact. so, you know, that's that's argument for them that's an old argument for them to look, mean, if you to put. but look, i mean, if you cut back your point, are people going , as a consequence of going to, as a consequence of this action, they may well do on fear. are to die fear. yeah. are they to die because the way the is, because of the way the nhs is, which is union leaders fear which is the union leaders fear they may well do. the they may well do. look, the country's going to pieces and you with queues you hospitals with queues outside ambulances full of outside of ambulances full of people sort the people but go sort of the opposite royal mail with opposite of the royal mail with parcels not going anywhere we've got trains are not running because i can the country's no mess train drivers who are being paid mess train drivers who are being pai postal workers paid £60,000 postal workers going all they're

going on strike all they're doing in the run up to christmas ensuring people stop ensuring that people stop sending cards sending christmas cards because start of year start busiest time of the year start busiest time of the year start sending christmas cards by email using alternative supplies . they are literally the postal workers turkeys voting for christmas. well mean, i'm not sure it's very sensible for them to strike at this to be on strike at this particular point these particular point to take these decisions. but it. no, decisions. but is it. no, i recommend obviously the recommend that obviously the trade in particular trade unions in that particular case and let's be clear on the rule book, let's be fair, a lot of the real workers who've been on strike, not the train drivers, they are they are people are much lower people who are much lower salaries, maintaining salaries, you know, maintaining the so they're the tracks and so on, so they're not all being hugely paid. but look, i mean, whatever you go strike, potentially damage strike, you potentially damage your and as your own industry. and as someone you i for the someone you know, i work for the better and better transport sometimes and we trains and get we will see on trains and get them on the train to the trains aren't running. all right. that's norman baker. he's going to stay with me. he was, of course, a government minister in the you miss being the coalition do you miss being in norman? enjoyed in government, norman? i enjoyed my . i think probably my time. i think probably wouldn't there now. wouldn't want to be there now. you, of course, were home office

minister when was transport for? three years. and then three and a half years. and then there office for over there was a home office for over a home office, very a year. home office, very important because health officials fresh officials dealing with a fresh outbreak gypsy the ftx outbreak of gypsy at the ftx migrant centre in migrant processing centre in kent. news has learned the kent. gb news has learned the new case was discovered week among than 2000 channel among more than 2000 channel migrants. you've arrived on small in recent days . small boats in recent days. homeland security editor matt white. he's with his latest exclusive great story. how serious is this. well, it's certainly concern . perhaps not certainly concern. perhaps not surprising given that we know that there are thousands, in fact. that there are thousands, in fact . our producer who was fact. our producer who was around the makeshift camps in dunkirk, said that he believed there was about 6000 there living in often squalid conditions. there are breaks of diseases regularly in these camps and. officials are clear that those across here are contracting diseases. armand stern but are bringing diseases that they've contracted within camps across with them . the camps across with them. the latest information we have is

that six people have been confirmed with diphtheria at ftx . they are now being isolated in the special area of camp, as is the special area of camp, as is the new protocol all the home office will not directly on this latest outbreak. they have issued statement, though, to say that they are providing vaccination for those arriving as the uk health security agency's latest advice to them . agency's latest advice to them. they're also providing antibiotics to those they suspect of diphtheria. there are isolation procedures now tried and tested. there should say as well, andrew , that we've been well, andrew, that we've been given some still images from inside the ftx camp taken by a source inside there which give an of the kind of conditions that you saw the mats on the floor . lots of people in these floor. lots of people in these makeshift dormitories, they're sleeping beside other. there are hundreds of these blue bags outside now. they contain food, clothing and other belongings from the migrants. and of the

squalid conditions they've been living in in these makeshift camps around dunkirk and calais. that's they are they are treated hazardous waste taken and disposed of. but think it's inevitable given the kind of conditions that people have been with sometimes for months over the other side of the channel that there are going to be health concerns with those coming across here. how serious can be for the person who's got it? well, it's a potentially deadly disease. 10% of those who contract diphtheria could go on to die in the outbreak. we had october 50 depth area cases were confirmed by health officials . confirmed by health officials. two of those were serious enough to require hospitals , ation and to require hospitals, ation and then a individual died and was tested and shown to . have had tested and shown to. have had diphtheria as well . the good diphtheria as well. the good news is that most britons will have been inoculated at birth or in childhood for this particular

disease . however, we know that disease. however, we know that in the last ten, 20 years there's been about six 7 million additional people that have come to uk, mainly through migration. many of those will come from countries where a dip syria inoculation is perhaps not a routine part of the process. so if they can it, then there are potential serious consequences for them. and serious consequences for the health service which is struggling at the moment just thinking about when the government and the home office finally to get to grips with this issue. the small boats are pouring across channel on a daily basis . are pouring across channel on a daily basis. i'm not sure are pouring across channel on a daily basis . i'm not sure what daily basis. i'm not sure what they do that is actually going make any material difference to what we're seeing this with the french, which gates we packaged every single year as this great new deal is not that at all. it's part a six year deal that gets renewed each year . they're gets renewed each year. they're given a bit more money , we're given a bit more money, we're told. there are a few. a few more in the way of security

services on the likes of the beach. before, of course, it was the small boats issue. it was the small boats issue. it was the lorries coming across the channel ports and we paid all of the extra money for new infrastructures , security infrastructures, security apparatus around the port and extra checks there . but it's extra checks there. but it's never gone away. it an issue and it's a very lucrative issue , a it's a very lucrative issue, a very lucrative business for the criminal gangs , because they're criminal gangs, because they're charging what , 3000 to £4000 charging what, 3000 to £4000 a head. you get 40 or 50 people on board aboard. you get multiple boats coming across every single day. it mounts up to many millions of pounds every single week that the criminal gangs are making. so going to continue doing that and they know that as soon as they get them over the channel the end to the asylum system or the modern slavery people trafficking system, depending on what they claim has happened them and they're often lost that system for not just

but years. so succeeded in the sense that they've got over and the vast majority will probably be allowed to stay at the end of the day. that's not why our home and security at its absolute inconvenient. if the government do not get a grip that these small boats issue is going to cost them the general election. i they will already look i mean they will already look like lose the like they're going to lose the general but this will general election. but this will be a huge issue for. time now for gb news people's poll . for the gb news people's poll. let's take a look at what people have been saying on rishi sunak, the prime minister for 83, holding unfavourable view of the prime minister having just heard that story about at ftx . no that story about at ftx. no surprise when asked who they'd vote for in the next general election. 46% of people in this poll say they'll vote labour. only 21% say they'll vote for the tories . that will be the tories. that will be a landslide. the cast on it and on immigration which we've just talking about. more than half of 54% say the figures are too

high. only 13% say it's about right . norman baker, former home right. norman baker, former home office minister, what do you think about immigration ? i think think about immigration? i think the government too high . i think the government too high. i think the government too high. i think the government too high. i think the government completely mishandled it from start to finish. and the reason the people are coming by boats is because you'll terms is it used to the past illegally to be used in the past illegally coming across in lorries and through so on, been through ports and so on, been shut effectively by by new shut down effectively by by new haven, by other ports along the coast therefore in boats is coast and therefore in boats is another challenge of methods coming to the country. but, you know, things. first know, a couple of things. first of situation at ftx is of all, the situation at ftx is disgraceful. done to mark disgraceful. well done to mark for start exclusive. for is a good start exclusive. but know, shouldn't but you know, we shouldn't be having those whatever having people in those whatever whatever the reason here. i mean hotels . no, we should put them hotels. no, we should put them somewhere. which is which is not with them lying the floor to with them lying on the floor to each but theory, each other. but in theory, that's what we should be doing. you know, army barracks, something you know, army barracks, son alternatives, which i you know, army barracks, sonalternatives, which i more are alternatives, which i more humane and more sensible we've got moment. but, you got at the moment. but, you know, reason bouncers would know, the reason bouncers would be not amongst be 24 hours not not amongst people . the when they people. the moment when they should be there, 24 hours is a

processing somewhere processing centre, not somewhere to the real problem to stay. but the real problem has been that the home office has been that the home office has many years, has failed over many years, including there, the including i was there, the immigration markopolos immigration minister, markopolos , actually the transport secretary, failed to get secretary, now failed to get a grip on the processing of people when they come in and they make a for asylum why can't a claim for asylum why can't they dealt quickly they be dealt with more quickly and they because they don't bnng and they because they don't bring check their papers. it bring any check their papers. it doesn't matter. if they come doesn't matter. i if they come from if they from a from us, if they come from a safe country which is safe country then which is france, yes , they france, which. well, yes, they can make it they can make a claim that they if you look who's successful in their appeals, that's good way. appeals, that's a good way. looking people from looking at these people from around are two around iraq, these are two countries, by and large still are appeals. they go back to are appeals. if they go back to those countries, be those countries, they will be mistreated, perhaps even murdered come from murdered. if they come from somewhere albania , they somewhere like albania, they won't the government won't be. and the government should be able to distinguish between countries between those countries which they by by by its own they can do by by by its own laws. if an albanian i'm in i mean, i'm an afghan, an or an iraqi. how does the iraqi. well how does the immigration officer lying? because you're not an iraqi . because you're not an iraqi. first of all, they're probably

be able to tell that from dna. but people from people , those but people from people, those countries, afghans , stan, iraq, countries, afghans, stan, iraq, iran, which destabilised and non—functioning regimes are far more likely to be telling the than those people come from albania , for example. and the albania, for example. and the government ought to able to return very quickly and process very quickly in return. very quickly. those come from countries albania. it fails countries such albania. it fails to do so . people are here for to do so. people are here for months and months, years before the decision is taken . and the decision is taken. and that's where the problem lies. if they weren't dealt more if they weren't dealt with more quickly, first all, it was quickly, first of all, it was clear the backlog. and secondly, it disincentive to it would be a disincentive to come the answer come across. that's the answer to . of course, they could to it. of course, they could stay in france is a safe country. they could stay in france. issue in france. and there's an issue in france. and there's an issue in france. issue as to france. there's an issue as to whether or not people should claim the first safe claim asylum in the first safe country they're clearly country they're in. and clearly not that. right. not doing that. all right. that's baker. he's the that's norman baker. he's the former minister. former home office minister. what your thoughts about what are your thoughts about this? here on tv news this? do stay us here on tv news with and reports coming up. with me and reports coming up. sir starmer is hailing sir keir starmer is hailing labour's victory in labour's byelection victory in chester, but is it the blow to

rishi that labour would rishi sunak that labour would have have the have believe? we'll have the latest reaction to this and more. please your views . more. please keep your views. the the week the big events of the week coming gbviews@gbnews.uk . coming into gbviews@gbnews.uk. before that, they're going to have a break .

well, sir keir starmer's entitled to have a big smile on his face today after his candidate, samantha dixon , won candidate, samantha dixon, won the by—election in chester last night. 11,000. majority the night. and 11,000. majority the tories with 61% vote share. it's labour's best ever result in the seat. labour's best ever result in the seat . keir starmer says the seat. keir starmer says the result shows public are fed up with the tory government . he's with the tory government. he's certainly right about that. meanwhile labour's deputy leader angela rayner says rishi sunak has failed his first electoral test. well how significant is . test. well how significant is. let's talk now to gb news political catherine foster who's in westminster. catherine of

course it's good news for laboun course it's good news for labour. they want a big, big majority to their the tory share of the vote, lowest i think in more than 100 years. but is it putting keir starmer's labour party on course for a landslide election victory? i'm not sure it is. yeah well it was swing of 13.76% wasn't it. they would need a swing nationally of . 12% need a swing nationally of. 12% to win a majority they need. i mean the polls are suggesting a percent swing so not landslide territory but certainly suggesting that labour are likely currently to win the election when it comes unless of is the first electoral test. prime minister rishi sunak. it's also the first time that voters have had their say on the conservative government since liz truss was prime minister and.the liz truss was prime minister and. the disastrous mini budget , all the economic turmoil that followed. so i think it's too

soon to take it as a verdict on rishi sunak himself. but it does show that the polls are broadly correct that this conservative government has an absolute mountain climb to have any hope of winning the next election. catherine. that man, matt hancock, is back in the house of commons today after. his sojourn in the in the jungle in australia and be a big debate as to whether he have the whip restored the tory party took that away from him if he doesn't get the whip restored he can't run as a tory mp in the next general election. what you general election. what do you hear? what's going to happen to him? well, still very him? yes well, still very unclear whether the whip might coming back to him , of course, coming back to him, of course, at the moment with the way are going, you'd think that conservative need all the conservative would need all the conservative would need all the conservative mp that got but certainly although i think the view was that it was the wrong thing for him to do that he

should waft off to australia and earn 400,000 while still sitting as an mp . he earn 400,000 while still sitting as an mp. he did earn 400,000 while still sitting as an mp . he did ultimately as an mp. he did ultimately acquit himself relatively well, didn't he? undertook all the challenges . didn't he? undertook all the challenges. he was very gung ho about. challenges. he was very gung ho about . it nothing fazed him and about. it nothing fazed him and i think he went up in many people's estimation . but sajid people's estimation. but sajid javid of course this morning has just announced that he is not going to be standing the next election. and i think that will be a big blow to rishi sunak aside from matt hancock and all the various annoyances around around him . sajid javid is the around him. sajid javid is the 13th conservative mp to announce that they won't be standing in the next election. now that you've set a deadline of the 5th of december for people to , it's of december for people to, it's important to say that 12 labour and parties have also said they won't be standing. but the interesting thing really is the

ages, because they are all 60 plus. whereas of the conservatives, we've had as young as dehenna davison , who's young as dehenna davison, who's only 29, came in in 2019. william wragg only 34. chloe smith only 40. and sajid javid really is a beast. he was, of course , rishi sunak's boss until course, rishi sunak's boss until he resigned as chancellor and which he soon not really indebted to him in many ways, not just he ultimately went on to be chancellor when sajid javid resigned , but also because javid resigned, but also because when sajid javid resigned up to protest against boris johnson in the summer . protest against boris johnson in the summer. that was shortly before rishi. did the same . and before rishi. did the same. and that ultimately brought down johnson. all right. that said gb news political reporter catherine . norman, just so we go catherine. norman, just so we go to headlines, the real significance of sajid javid standing down is he's not in the cabinet. he knows he's probably not going to get back in the cabinet. there's an election

years time. he's going to go with and go to the city, make lots well is but he's lots of money. well is but he's also saying that there will be a conservative government after the election be the next election for him to be in the cabinet at that point and what have people william what you have people at william black catherine's black 34 i think catherine's head grove who's actually black 34 i think catherine's head quite grove who's actually black 34 i think catherine's head quite effective 10's actually black 34 i think catherine's head quite effective ins actually black 34 i think catherine's head quite effective in the tually been quite effective in the commons saying he's down, he's saying career is going to be saying my career is going to be else that's leaving a else and that's leaving a sinking a phrase sinking ship is a phrase that comes mind. sure. comes to mind. yeah, sure. i mean, aren't they aren't to mean, they aren't they aren't to say about, though, say something about, though, i mean, that wasn't a brilliant result but confident result. result but a confident result. and them on target and puts them on target for a majority. but, you know, they're not well as they ought not doing as well as they ought to given complete to be doing given a complete shambles. partisan. to be doing given a complete sharifles. partisan. to be doing given a complete sharif you partisan. to be doing given a complete sharif you compare partisan. to be doing given a complete sharif you compare the artisan. to be doing given a complete sharif you compare the swings and if you compare the swings that tony experienced, he that tony blair experienced, he was the opposition. was leader of the opposition. they sometimes 30. they were sometimes five 30. this but blair was this was a 13. but blair was telling panic and he was spewing out the time. so this out policy all the time. so this is boring and doesn't tell us very much. starmer's deliberately boring. i think he's being lawyer. that's what he's being a lawyer. that's what he's being a lawyer. that's what he is. but he's also taking chances, saying nothing chances, so he's saying nothing he's relying on the tories to lose the election. well, they're doing pretty well on the job,

but that's dangerous strategy but that's a dangerous strategy because the tories are recovering . he's an empty recovering. he's got an empty cup tea, nothing in it. and cup of tea, nothing in it. and it's interesting as well to nofice it's interesting as well to notice by with lib dems notice the by with the lib dems because dem swings in because the lib dem swings in the like north shropshire the seats like north shropshire , which are taking place, have been far greater. swings been far greater. the swings gone labour block the old gone to labour block the old party. it's an it's a fact. andrew it's just a fact. it's an observational flat . you're observational flat. you're absolutely right. just finally matt hancock has proved some tories popular all, tories are popular after all, because third in the because he was third in the jungle. i was voting from every day those tests, hoping day to do those tests, hoping he'd kicked out first. well, he'd be kicked out first. well, he'd be kicked out first. well, he served in the way he won't be served in the way he's home we'll find he's going home as we'll find out indeed. you listen to me, andrew pierce on tv news. andrew pierce here on tv news. coming the royals been coming up, the royals have been hitting norman hitting the headlines. norman baker a very baker has written a very interesting book on the royals, but quite in the way hoped but not quite in the way hoped for. we'll you the for. but next, we'll you the latest headlines . thanks it's latest headlines. thanks it's 1233. i'm bethany elsey in the gb newsroom sajid javid has

announced he will not stand again the next general election . the mp for bromsgrove was the health until july this year when health until july this year when he stood in the tory leadership campaign . he's also held other campaign. he's also held other cabinet , campaign. he's also held other cabinet, including chancellor and home secretary. in a letter to the prime minister, mr. javid said serving government had been the privilege of his life and that he hoped his best was sufficient . gb news understands sufficient. gb news understands health officials are dealing with another outbreak of diphtheria at the ftx migrant processing centre in kent. the new cases were discovered among the more than 2000 channel migrants who've arrived on small in recent days. gb news has obtained exclusive still images from inside ftx revealing some of basic conditions. migrants are in including off dormitories with sleeping mats close on the floor . samantha kate dixon with sleeping mats close on the floor. samantha kate dixon has been duly elected as the member of parliament. the city of chester . labour's leader says chester. labour's leader says it's clear the people chester

want a labour government after. the party's candidate won in a by—election. samantha dixon increased the party's majority by more than 4000 to almost 11,000. the contest was triggered by the resignation of former labour mp christine matheson following complaints of serious sexual harassment . he serious sexual harassment. he denies the allegations . angela denies the allegations. angela rayner says it's the worst defeat for the conservatives in the city since 1832. they're angry with the conservatives who have crushed the economy that they've the sleaze that's them. the constant bickering and the not being able to get britain moving again and everyone feels like it's a constant backlog and they're damaging our economy that damaging people's prospects and the people of chester the city of chester have given a huge message to the conservatives . they want change conservatives. they want change and they want a labour government. europe today's on tv onune government. europe today's on tv online in derby radio. this is.

gb news. well, the labour leader, sir keir starmer has been speaking about the party's by—election victory in chester. let's have a listen to what he had to say. look be clear. this was a very, very good for the labour party because what was clear was there was a choice. the labour party has been putting forward a positive plan for the future. how we stabilise and grow our economy . so we were putting economy. so we were putting a positive choice to the electorate in chester . the electorate in chester. the government is worn out, tired, has crashed. the and the verdict was very, very clearly given and i think a clear message to . the i think a clear message to. the prime minister rishi sunak's people are fed up and want a change and there's this strong . change and there's this strong. now the government has run out of , road run now the government has run out of, road run out of ideas, hasn't a mandate and it's time for change. well that's keir starmer talking about that

by—election virtually. norman baker stay here with me former lib dem, minister in the lib dem, a minister in the coalition government, course, coalition government, of course, the the by—election the turnout in the by—election was by elections was 41% and these by elections not really terribly of what could happen at a general election. the direction of travel . but it's been a 41% travel. but it's been a 41% i think at the general election it was nearer 70% for the opposition about by—election, but it's certainly less than general and would would generate . i think what's interesting is looking at the run of elections because we've been running by elections actually quite a good to happening the to to what's happening to the to the keir starmer was the governing. keir starmer was right. to it was a good for right. to say it was a good for labour wasn't a brilliant result, it was result. result, it was a good result. he's wrong it was he's wrong to say it was a positive vote for that. it wasn't at all i mean their whole campaign and not just in chester but everywhere else is about saying dreadful saying how dreadful the tories are we've some basis to are is we've got some basis to it, not really approval it, but it's not really approval for labour. when is he going to start making positive start making the positive case for don't know. for labour? well, i don't know. i mean perhaps you'll do so with the manifesto out, but the manifesto comes out, but it's safety first and. and it's all safety first and. and you calculation is you know, the calculation is

that get in on the basis that he will get in on the basis of how the tories are of how dreadful the tories are without very that's without saying very well that's dangerous because if there a resurgence which is to take, you know high dry know labour's left high and dry and interesting baker and interesting norman baker he's me now. of he's staying with me now. of course, can't away from course, you can't get away from meghan at the prince meghan and harry at the prince and wales visit to and princess wales visit to boston earthshot boston for that earthshot environment been environment prize has been overshadowed by harry and meghan's release . their trailer meghan's release. their trailer for their docu series about their experiences stepping back as working royals . remember, as working royals. remember, they went to america to get some privacy while they've invaded their privacy . with netflix their privacy. with that netflix trailer, you i'll trailer, i can tell you i'll roll a reporter, cameron walker sent us this report from . boston sent us this report from. boston with the prince and princess of wales despite the royal race row and the sussex docu series on the horizon, the prince and princess of wales focussed on their passion as yesterday visiting local that supports their communities perhaps in engagements. this encompassed most will and kate's interests was broken , which has supported was broken, which has supported vulnerable young for almost 35 years. roque is founder explains

how will and kate's are helping to break stigmas. they both individually and collective have a real interest around a range mental health issues, early childhood addiction, youth homelessness and working with emergency response workers. they've really sort of leaned in on this. how do you destigmatize mental how do you help people get access to resources? i met with young men supported by roca 22 year old jonathan was jailed for an attempted robbery. but roqueis for an attempted robbery. but roque is supports has helped him turn his life around . they was turn his life around. they was definitely like on me, definitely like on me, definitely on me. it's a change challenge in my thinking . and challenge in my thinking. and even behind the walls i was going a lot of things i was thinking. so it was it was a challenge. i overcame matt's childhood was difficult since he was taken away from . his parents was taken away from. his parents by the authorities. roque has helped him cope with past trauma. from a year ago till now , a complete different person. i got my head straight, you know. i got the right goals i got. i got the right goals now. so i'm doing the right

thing. the opportunity thing. kate had the opportunity focus childhood focus on early childhood development with roque as young mothers program like the princess india ballet. he princess and india ballet. he runs. it believes the first five years of a child's life are crucial. i'm so thrilled that the is interested in this area because it is a really important time in a child's development and what we know about the families that we work with is that in to break that cycle in order make sure that children thrive , we really have to thrive, we really have to stabilise their mothers and help them. a quick dash breezy boston was willing kate's opportunity to see firsthand how the city's remaining optimistic climate change. the and gloom approach to climate climate change really really isn't very so we really want to think about the opportunities are and how we can all together to address this. boston's the city showing the world how to adapt to a changing climate and sea levels are rising. this living sea wall behind me is an example of just it not only protects the homes it, but also absorb the carbon

dioxide in the atmosphere . will dioxide in the atmosphere. will and kate have learned all about it today. hollywood a—listers joined the prince and princess on the recycled green carpets for earthshot prize. prince william uses his global platform to help others. others appear to use theirs to talk themselves. karen walker gb news boston . karen walker gb news boston. well, the great soap opera, the soap opera in town, harry and meghan takes a new twist with the release . the trailer for the release. the trailer for their netflix documentary it features never before seen private of the couple who remained and moved to the united states to protect their privacy. they time for people to they say it's time for people to hear their side of the story. but with harry's brother and his wife on a visit to us the timing has been criticised because of course it was intended to overshadow the world. this trip , no one sees what's happening behind doors . last year,

behind doors. last year, everything i could to protect my family . family. yuck. joining me now , a showbiz yuck. joining me now, a showbiz journalist, sam rubin norman baken journalist, sam rubin norman baker, stuart , sam, almost sick baker, stuart, sam, almost sick making that trailer. well, i tell you , your reaction, tell you, your reaction, i think, is echoed by many here in the united kingdom in a they don't have the degree of popularity that they seem to enjoy here or notoriety , i enjoy here or notoriety, i should say . but what was should say. but what was interesting, there's another part of, the trailer where where meghan says when the stakes are this high. and i thought the minute i saw that the stakes for home her. yeah so is she not as popular perhaps the united states she's an american actress as she would have expected to . i as she would have expected to. i think the you know, there's there is a level of notoriety, to be sure . i don't think she to be sure. i don't think she has been shunned to degree that

she's been shunned here in the united kingdom. but i don't think she's necessarily been as warmly embraced as she would like. i don't think been shunned in britain, to be honest, sam. but you, how will but me ask you, how will americans react to this this this documentary which is going to cause more trouble for royal family? that's the whole point about it coming so soon after the death of the queen. i think the death of the queen. i think the timing is definitely a question. i in an unusual way. there were many, many headlines when they signed this deal with netflix and here they are being paid upwards of $100 million. well they have to do something for the money. that's what this is. this essentially paying back what i would as the debt they have to netflix. and you know the trailer obviously very tabloidy. the fact that they've cooperated great cooperated to such a large degree is of interest i imagine it will portray them in the sort of a sympathetic light as victim to a degree with kind of heard this story before several times .

story before several times. yeah. and of course the image chosen to use of the princess of well she's looking stern . it's well she's looking stern. it's all deliberate, isn't it. and the timing to release this video trailer as the prince and princess of wales are in the united states to raise awareness really important project about the environment which those two apparently care about is cynical. well it's funny i don't know that somebody in some netflix office was sitting there with a calendar thinking, well, i think harriet mencken was sitting there with a calendar thinking, what can we do most to damage my brother and his wife? do you think it's genuinely sinister? i do. okay, i do. and it's guaranteed headlines on every i mean, the headline in the daily express today says , the daily express today says, harry, do you really hate your family that much? in my own papen family that much? in my own paper, the daily mail. allies of william it's william and kate say it's declaration of war. is declaration of war. this is overshadowing their trip to the united states, which is very important. trip to the important. well, the trip to the united obviously united states, obviously is important . i united states, obviously is important. i suppose so

certainly here it is getting far greater attention. the trailer then the visit of his brother , then the visit of his brother, then the visit of his brother, the united states. no question about that. let's bring norman baker in. norman, you wrote an excellent book the royal excellent book on the royal family about the funding of family all about the funding of the role family. harry and meghan went united states. meghan went to united states. they they've they want to be people they've invaded their privacy with invaded their own privacy with this extraordinary they've got make money. so as sam was saying yes they've got to deliver this is the first stage of the delivery. they have netflix will not want do to give something not want to do to give something time and you know uncontroversial they want to something which is going to sell the production and there's no coincidence i think that has been released as william and kate you agree with me kate are that you agree with me that deliberate. a that it's deliberate. it's a solid deliver harry and solid deliver from harry and meghan have have meghan or netflix have have wanted that and harry and wanted to do that and harry and meghan have acquiesced. one of those explanation that those two explanation for that either an attempt to either way it's an attempt to huack either way it's an attempt to hijack the visit is taking hijack the visit which is taking place from from william and kate. william and kate are seen as the royal family, a rocky time all of reasons. time for all sorts of reasons. and and kate are seen as

and william and kate are seen as the the future, as a safe , a the as the future, as a safe, a handsome sort of thing handsome future sort of thing with them is going to with damages to them is going to damage the royal family very you that difficult instance when they went the caribbean with they went to the caribbean with some terrible shots them some terrible shots of them standing the jeep kids standing up with the jeep kids behind and behind barbed wire and everything which didn't behind barbed wire and everythelg which didn't behind barbed wire and everythe royal which didn't behind barbed wire and everythe royal family:h didn't behind barbed wire and everythe royal family at didn't behind barbed wire and everythe royal family at all. 't help the royal family at all. we've had lady susan hussey making a of things in the palace . this is not a good time. and of course it's also worth noting, which i did, that there were some boos for william and kate they went to that was a baseball match. i think. so this is rough time for the royal is a rough time for the royal family. some i'm a huge fan of the royal family and i want the monarchy to continue and flourish and it's concerning to me that william and kate's trip is being overshadowed by meghan and harry. how much damage do think that they can do to ? the think that they can do to? the royals standing in the united states ? well, i think it'll be states? well, i think it'll be interesting to see the contents of the documents . often we've of the documents. often we've seen this with movies that the trailer is more fraught than is

actually contained in a series or film . i think people or film. i think people certainly listen to harry and meghan marry harry and meghan level charges or say , you know, level charges or say, you know, this happened or that happened or . i think this happened or that happened or. i think that potentially could be damaging . maybe there's could be damaging. maybe there's another side to maybe. maybe they're hoping for some of reconciliation. maybe they're hoping this war is set aside . i hoping this war is set aside. i don't know. i think in a way, we have to reserve judgement until actually see this documentary . actually see this documentary. the trailer is going to generate a lot of interest headlines obviously will generate more interest . we'll have see interest. we'll have to see what's actually contained. and of shouldn't forget of course, you shouldn't forget harry's coming out in harry's a book coming out in january, ye s £28 copy, january, too. yes £28 a copy, right ? that's a lot of money. i right? that's a lot of money. i tell you what, that title, though, is a fantastic. though, spare is a fantastic. fantastic title. yeah because he's to spare to the air and space to the air, whether it's princess margaret, often get into all sorts difficulty. into all sorts of difficulty. think andrew . he will think prince andrew. he will talk the past . he think prince andrew. he will talk the past. he has to talk about the past. he has to talk about the past. he has to talk about the past. he has to talk about the past. but because it's interesting to a particular point. the

point. so it's all about the past in past on the gruesome past in the past on the gruesome possible order sell what possible in order to sell what he wants. sell. you know, william and kate are talking about the that's about the future. that's different. absolutely that's norman with norman baker. he's staying with me. joining me. me. sam, thanks for joining me. now, the number in now, the number of people in england as england and wales describing as christian below half christian has fallen below half of the population for the first time the latest data from time ever. the latest data from the national the office for national statistics shows 46.2% identify as christian . when the census as christian. when the census was carried out last year , was carried out last year, compared to over 59% a decade ago . the number of people who ago. the number of people who say they have no religion has increased by 12 percentage points. why have we turn? are we turning our back on god at church? joining me now is gavin ashenden , who's a former ashenden, who's a former chaplain to queen elizabeth, the second. and also joining me, stephen evans , the chief stephen evans, who's the chief executive national executive of the national secular society . if i can talk secular society. if i can talk to you first, gavin ashenden , to you first, gavin ashenden, are you concerned by these figures ? yes and no. yes i'm figures? yes and no. yes i'm concerned because i'm a christian and i think is very good for people in society . i

good for people in society. i believe that it's undergirds free speech and, the dignity of every human being. so i would would be concerned. am i? no, because we've seen this this trajectory coming the whole of my lifetime . the impact , the my lifetime. the impact, the grasp of christianity on the imagination of our culture has been weakened by a number of things just quite complex. but it includes it includes the way in which education has has been been used and the way in which the media has produced some fairly resent, relentless assaults on on christianity faith. so it's not a surprise, but it's a disappointment . you but it's a disappointment. you wouldn't exactly describe the archbishop's canterbury justin welby as a charismatic, inspirational figure, would you ? well, i'm a fan of his. but i do think exercising other people in unnecessarily. but but i think the church of england . think the church of england. well, the church of england needs to do is to decide whether it wants to put bit of icing on the secular cake and be a sort

of token spiritual body or whether wants be truly to whether it wants to be truly to christianity like like mother teresa of calcutta is deeply attractive, very powerful, with the capacity to turn people's lives around . and you don't see lives around. and you don't see much of that in church of england, afraid not much england, and i'm afraid not much in. archbishop of in. and the archbishop of canterbury in canterbury. let's bring in stephen who is the stephen evans, who is the executive of the national secular society. stephen, the church forced square in church will be forced square in the coronation year king the coronation next year of king charles the third. the archbishop canterbury will be presiding . should be presiding over it. should he be and do now think the time has come where we should have serious this? serious debate about this? establish the church of establish in the church of england ? hi, good afternoon, england? hi, good afternoon, andrew . yes, i think so. i think andrew. yes, i think so. i think the number of people identified as falling below half as christian falling below half of population is really of the population is really a watershed moment . the fact that watershed moment. the fact that christianity is now a interest in the uk, i think really should prompt a real rethink of religion's public role. and by that i mean a transition from this christian state with an established church towards the morning through a safe and secular state. i think people

are already there. i think the institutions now just need to catch because . it's looking catch up because. it's looking increasingly that we increasingly absurd that we have, as you say, a christian coronation. we have a head of state that has this dual role of defender of the faith and supreme god of the church of england. we have 26 seats reserved as of right. england. we have 26 seats reserved as of right . the reserved as of right. the anglican bishops in the house of lords, both as you know, the commons and the lords, beginning with anglican prayers. a third of our schools, a faith schools, most of them christian . all most of them christian. all schools are required by law to hold a daily, active, broadly christian worship. so this is all increasingly absurd . and i all increasingly absurd. and i think going forward it's uncertain , attainable. so uncertain, attainable. so i think we really do need to have a proper serious conversation about, as i say, this transition towards a more inclusive, secular state where everyone's freedom of religion , belief is freedom of religion, belief is respected but an a privileged combination didn't stigmas got a point why are there six anglican bishops the house of lords but absolutely no roman catholic bishops? when roman catholic

faith and community to be stronger in this country than the anglican one? yes, i've been arguing with stephen, the national secular society for decades and i suddenly find myself agreeing with them completely, oh no, we don't want agreement. no, no, no. you've got to disagree . well, hang got to disagree. well, hang on. i only have only temporarily. i'll stephen something . i'll give stephen something. fight in a second. so fight back with in a second. so establishment make any sense at all? he's quite right about but there's a much bigger this is this an ancient this is an old agenda the agenda the moment agenda the agenda for the moment is and a genuine is about free and a genuine opportunity declare our views opportunity to declare our views in the christian space. stephen's right are three contenders for the hearts of our culture islam and christianity . culture islam and christianity. and what we have to do is get rid of the equalities act so we can have a genuine conversation without being accused of hate, because we have different ethical embedded each point of view. so establishment is a bit of a red herring. it should be got rid of. but what we really need to make sure is we have an

open, free, democratic where you can express the views of your conscience without of being conscience without fear of being banged . stephen think banged up. stephen i think you're agree with that, you're going to agree with that, aren't really sorry to aren't you? i'm really sorry to disappoint you, but i completely agree the is a agree that i mean, the is a secular as far as i'm concerned, it's secularists , liberal it's secularists, liberal principles and we're all about freedom of expression freedom of belief, freedom of conscience. and everyone should have the right of believe right to, of course, believe what they want and also to manifest their beliefs insofar as they're not encroaching on the rights , freedoms of others. the rights, freedoms of others. so i'm afraid we're not going to have a debate over freedom of expression, fully supported . can expression, fully supported. can i just ask you, stephen briefly, what do you think? what to you when you die ? well, i don't when you die? well, i don't know. i think all the evidence tells me that my i die, i die, my body dies . and that's the end my body dies. and that's the end of it for me . my body dies. and that's the end of it for me. but my body dies. and that's the end of it for me . but i my body dies. and that's the end of it for me. but i don't find that to frightening thought at all. but but that's that's my own personal view. but of course, secularism isn't the same as atheist. i mean, we have

lots religious believers. there are secularists . i think gavin are secularists. i think gavin may actually be a you know, who not only is on his to being a member of the national secular perhaps know i think we perhaps but you know i think we all have different beliefs and it's but, you know, if it's fine. but, you know, if people want to that comfort people want to have that comfort of a that's absolutely fine is not a battle against religion. it's a battle for equality and for and against religious. that's what we're concerned about. that's what we're concerned about . all right. that's gavin about. all right. that's gavin ashton, of course, a former chaplain to the queen. and stephen evans, chief executive of the national secular agreement, breaking out . let's agreement, breaking out. let's have disagreement have some disagreement here, norman the church england was norman the church of england was founded on a basis of a divorce , the divorce of henry the eighth and catherine of aragon, his wife. was, his catholic wife. so that was, what, 40 and something or other here. should king charles really be head of the church of england? no we should say disestablishment . be good disestablishment would. be good for royal family, good for for the royal family, good for the good for the the government and good for the church of fact. you church, as a matter of fact. you know, was at privy. i was know, i was at the privy. i was at the in session session council when charles took his

oath. and there this period in his office, which, as you couldn't have agreed with himself because he wants to be a defender of faith through what he to read out this stuff, he had to read out this stuff, which was it was blatantly anti—catholic dating from 1700. and you know, this i thought this is this is bonkers to be honest with you, that we're still having this. and why shouldn't remember shouldn't i remember who's someone catholic someone who's a roman catholic become this become become monarch in this country? yeah and why and why country? yeah and why is and why then roman catholic bishop? i then a roman catholic bishop? i mean, it's a sort of charity, and we all seem agreeing and we all seem to be agreeing that this establishment the that this establishment is the way that. know, way forward on that. you know, as regards the in number of people are christian, quite people who are christian, quite dramatic ten years dramatic drop in ten years actually before that actually. i think before that there people who were there were people who they were christian didn't really do anything . turn old anything apart. turn off the old council sense now and council sense every now and then. so they weren't really christian and you? yes, christian and not you? yes, probably a kind of probably. you go to a kind of a service which, course, service in which, of course, i like singing carols and i'll go to carol next week. as a to carol service next week. as a matter of interest and religious christmas cards. don't. christmas cards. no, i don't. i said christmas cards are said normal christmas cards are normal service cards are religious. no not to. well,

they're the kind of season and so all of a sudden, this christmas card is just. are you an atheist, agnostic no, i'm actually my views are quite complicated . i mean, if complicated. i mean, if anything, they're buddhist anything, they're more buddhist , christian . but , only are christian. but yesterday i was i was at an interesting talk by a tibetan lama as a matter of fact, but we've probably got time to go and we have them. but we're going to get them next time you on. i'm going get you talking about your buddhist leanings. that's former that's norman baker, the former government andrew. government minister. i'm andrew. stay plenty stay with us. there's plenty more to come in the next hour. don't forget to get in touch with your views. email me at gp views news dot before views at gb news dot uk. before that though, a short break .

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bnng on tv news with you until 2 pm. bring you the latest debates and analysis from the big stories of the week. here's what's coming up on my show. we're heading to boston speak with our royal boston to speak with our royal reporter, cameron walker, who's been william and kate been following william and kate throughout that. but that trip, of been overshadowed throughout that. but that trip, of two been overshadowed throughout that. but that trip, of two reasons. aen overshadowed throughout that. but that trip, of two reasons. the )vershadowed throughout that. but that trip, of two reasons. the royal|adowed throughout that. but that trip, of two reasons. the royal race ved for two reasons. the royal race now involving the queen's former lady in waiting and harry meghan's conveniently timed netflix documentary trailer being released. we're going to get all the latest on this. also coming up, we'll be discussing the migrant crisis with the ongoing migrant crisis with reports ministers are considering changing law to allow migrants to be allow channel migrants to be held at the ftx ftx process centre up to 96 hours. i'll be talking a human rights lawyer and a gb news here who's frustrated with the government response, who isn't frustrated with the government's response. we'll also be speaking to the open rights group about concern over government's online over the government's online safety which campaigners safety bill, which campaigners say an attack on freedom of say is an attack on freedom of speech. say is an attack on freedom of speech . digesting this with me speech. digesting this with me for the next will be the for the next hour will be the daily associate daily telegraph's associate edhon daily telegraph's associate editor. mate of mine as editor. good mate of mine as well and soon to be gb news

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bromsgrove was the health until july this year when he stood in the tory leadership campaign. he's also held other cabinet positions, including chancellor , home secretary. in a letter to the prime minister. mr. javid said serving the government had been the privilege of his life and that he hoped his best was sufficient . the labour leader sufficient. the labour leader says the party's by—election win in chester shows people a change of government . samantha tate of government. samantha tate thinks he has been duly elected as the member of parliament for the city of chester . samantha the city of chester. samantha dixon increased the party's majority by more 4000 to almost 11,000. the contest was triggered by the resignation of former labour mp christine matheson . complaints of serious matheson. complaints of serious sexual harassment. he the allegations. it's a starmer says vote is a fed up with financial chaos. vote is a fed up with financial chaos . the labour party has been chaos. the labour party has been putting forward a positive plan the future how we stabilise , the future how we stabilise, grow our economy. so we were

putting a positive choice to the electorate in chester. the government is worn out, tired it has crushed the economy and the verdict was very, very clearly given. and i think that's a clear message to the prime minister rishi sunak that people are fed , they want a change . two are fed, they want a change. two teenage boys have been charged with murders of 216 year olds who was stabbed to death just a mile apart in south—east london. ken solanki was in thames mead and charlie pitolo in abbey wood last month . the met police says last month. the met police says the boys aged 15 and 16 will appear at bromley magistrates court later. an 18 year old man was also arrested this morning in connection with their deaths . the rmt boss is holding urgent talks with the government in a bid to halt strikes over the christmas period . mr. lynch met christmas period. mr. lynch met with scotland's transport minister yesterday. the pair have urged westminster to intervene . the network rail pay intervene. the network rail pay dispute . transport secretary dispute. transport secretary mark harper said he wanted to

work with the rmt and employers in faith to resolve the issues . in faith to resolve the issues. speaking on his way to meet rail , hugh merriman the rmt secretary, said the offer must be meaningful . we haven't had be meaningful. we haven't had a structure in which we negotiate , never put an offer on the table . so hopefully even today table. so hopefully even today or over the weekend we'll start to do and then we'll have to take back to the unions who will see they come up with. well, it's definitely moving. it's definitely different to was over the last months. there's no the last six months. there's no doubt we've got to doubt that. but we've got to find out whether it's meaningful, whether it's just you know window dressing royal mail has been told it cannot keep blaming the covid pandemic for late deliveries. it's after the firm had failed to meet several of its annual delivery targets last year. regulator ofcom says just 82% of first class mail was delivered within one working day. that's below a target of 93, ofcom said . target of 93, ofcom said. performance at royal mail also

fell well short of where it should be in the early part of this financial year and elton john has been announced as the first headline act for glastonbury festival year. organisers say will be the final uk show for elton's last ever to making it the mother of all send offs. the star said he couldn't be more excited and that there's no more fitting way to say goodbye to british fans. the music event will return to worthy farm in somerset in june . this is gb news to bring you more news as it happens now let's get back to andrew . let's get back to andrew. well, it's not exactly gone to for william and kate on their visit to boston for the earthshot. it's been overshadowed by another royal race row. and harry and meghan's deliberately timed of their upcoming docu series, where

they're going to talk about their. stepping back as working royals. let's get the latest on this from gb news royal reporter cameron walker, who's in boston with the royal . couple yeah, with the royal. couple yeah, andrew, i think it's pretty clear it that this announcement of the trailer and the duchess of the trailer and the duchess of harry and meghan was deliberately timed to coincide with william kate's visit to boston, which is ironic because harry and meghan really to care about the environment clare, about the environment clare, about climate change and yet they've taken the focus off climate change , off the climate change, off the earthshot prize to , talk about earthshot prize to, talk about themselves. and now course another problem which has overshadowed william kate's talk at all is that of the ongoing forlani and her allegations , the forlani and her allegations, the queen's the late queen's former lady in waiting lady susan hussey. now, from my understanding, hussey. now, from my understanding , lady susan hussey understanding, lady susan hussey has actually reached out and offered to meet jose forlani in person to apologise in. so two

major things bubbling under the surface, which is all taking the spotlight off william kate's visit to the united states here. but speaking to those closest to the prince and princess, they're taking it in. that's right. they're very much remaining focussed on their work that ignonng focussed on their work that ignoring it and they're focusing the real reason. so today kate is focusing on early . she's off is focusing on early. she's off to harvard university to , meet to harvard university to, meet experts to see how the first five years of a child's life can dramatically and can dramatically and can dramatically , can dramatically dramatically, can dramatically help their life chances . the help their life chances. the future. and william's actually meeting the daughter of john f kennedy . john f kennedy launched kennedy. john f kennedy launched moonshot prize, claiming that the task to get a man on the moon is impossible which inspires prince william's actual prize solving climate change is impossible . that's the idea. and impossible. that's the idea. and then william and kate are actually going to be meeting we understand the president the understand the president of the united states, joe, little bit united states, joe, a little bit later on today before the star studded green carpet arrival of

, the prize here in boston, the second annual earthshot prize attended by a—list stars . billie attended by a—list stars. billie eilish is expected to be here as well as rami malek, as well as a of others. and the five winners of others. and the five winners of the arts prize will receive a £1 million grants to really accelerate their solution to repairing our planet. cameron they must be, even if they're not saying so, absolutely livid that they're being upstaged by harry and meghan with netflix trailer , which i gather is trailer, which i gather is pretty big on the american tv networks . yeah, i think pretty networks. yeah, i think pretty clear within royal circles that they are incredibly frustrated this has happened and. i think the fact that it's completely out will in kate's hands is just adding a bit of insult to injury. it's a very short tour here. boston, it's only three days and the first two of those days and the first two of those days have been overshadowed by two pretty major. so i think one, it's third time lucky

really here today and i think will and kate and those close to them are really hoping that earthshot is going to be the main but andrew he would main focus. but andrew he would have seen the front pages of, the papers this morning. it certainly that certainly doesn't look that way, does mean, there's does it? no. i mean, there's talk on the front page of my newspaper . it's a declaration of newspaper. it's a declaration of war because the timing so cynically timed . this, cynically timed. this, of course, a really important course, was a really important trip the united trip for. and kate, the united states important ally . states are very important ally. and, of course, we know all about the royals. it's about soft power and power is being a subdued by the ambition of . and subdued by the ambition of. and harry. yes it's william ends catherine's first visit to the united states since 2014. the first international tour with the new titles of prince and princess of wales. as i said , princess of wales. as i said, are meeting the president of the united states joe biden. and you mentioned soft power. soft power that andrew this has been dubbed as prince william's super bowl moments, as it were, his global leadership on the world stage influencing the repairing of our

planet, not threatening what they want to talk about. and i think it's pretty clear that they are incredibly frustrated. that's to other royals who live in the united states, have quite so clearly times this netflix documentary trail it's come out when they are here in united states trying to have brand wales on on the world stage . i wales on on the world stage. i think from speaking to americans here in the crowds you queued for hours to see william and catherine people have travelled as far as alaska. i was speaking to a few days ago just to catch a small glimpse of the couple. so i think the popularity of william catherine within the united states is very strong indeed. all right. that's gb newsroom, our reporter camera is with royal couple in boston with the royal couple in boston . delighted. stay with me in the studios. my of make committed tominey, and tominey, who's got a graph and takes on daily telegraph takes on the daily telegraph associate you've associate editor. you've been writing for a long writing about this for a long time. fact, broke the time. in fact, you broke the story harry was dating this story that harry was dating this woman, meghan markle this is a isn't it pr wise for the royals

for this to come so after the row about lady hussey , look, the row about lady hussey, look, the timing isn't pretty. and i think when lady hussey story broke, you had to feel for the prince and princess of wales , i mean, and princess of wales, i mean, how many times that they had a royal toil by something you might andrew, when might remember, andrew, was when they and on they were in pakistan. and on this charm offensive that was hugely important hugely diplomatically important that quivering . that gave her lip quivering. nobody's asked if i'm okay. interview to tom bradby that's right. so we now have the criticism behind the scenes for that because again, it overshadowed what william and kate were doing. i mean, the trailer and the timing of is planned. mean, this being a planned. i mean, this being a sister sort pr campaign sister and sort of pr campaign by making i think she gave by harry making i think she gave away for the smart away some handbags for the smart works charity then got some works charity then she got some kind women's award now kind of women's award and now the trailer and anyone watching the trailer and anyone watching the for the first time i sort of big gulps that i mean i know i was it's this this glossy sort of black and white imagery . of black and white imagery. vogue asked sort of depiction of a couple who are still banging on about somehow being wronged.

i mean how about they said everything that they need to say what more is left to say. well they've got a lot more to say because of course, netflix have paid them. how much is the advance? i mean, is it 20 million millions? i 100 million is talked obviously is being talked about obviously spare meant to spare autobiography is meant to come january made him 35 come out january made him 35 million because it's part of a three or four book deal. i mean, i wrote piece in the telegraph today that today saying the truth that harry and meghan never showed up to about this is all to talk about what this is all about and they need to get their side the story across. and side of the story across. and harry needs protect his family from what one ever know. i mean, it's hinted at in the trailer. is it the media? is it paparazzi? is it the duchess of cambridge? is she then was i mean, the trailer features this hugely picture of hugely unflattering picture of because, of course, kate's a great threat to everybody. yeah, but the point made in this piece was the but we never get to hear what this is really motivated by is, of course, money and revenge money revenge. exactly. and money and revenge. exactly. and of they went to the of course, they went to the united states because they wanted lead ordinary life

wanted to lead an ordinary life as individual so i made as private, individual so i made the this documentary the point, this documentary invades privacy . all invades their own privacy. all those photographs in those intimate photographs in their home, in the grounds windsor castle paid for by the taxpayer at the time. on my wedding photos, which we hadn't , we were scrambling to get hold of but we by 2018 and of that. but we by 2018 and people can have an argument about press intrusion. but i think on your own think when you are on your own privacy, you don't. privacy, then you don't. an argument privacy, really? argument about privacy, really? yeah it's the same as the beckhams, you they beckhams, you know, they couldn't complain about photography or photography of their children or their if they kept their children if they kept on taking red carpet taking them to red carpet events. argument we want events. i get argument we want to own i think to own our own and i think there's a line in there from meghan saying, know , surely meghan saying, you know, surely it makes sense for you to hear the story from us directly, but then that truth isn't everybody else's truth as the queen say so memorably recollects harry and there'll be a lot of people that look at the narrative that they've created of a couple wrong particularly behind palace walls and say, hang on a minute, we've over backwards to try we've been over backwards to try and life easier for

and think make life easier for you. to integrate you. we tried to integrate meghan particularly into the scene and actually they increasingly themselves and operated in a silo . and it's not operated in a silo. and it's not just assume no having covered the royals for a very long time andrew, there was always a sense of harry reaching against the machine, not liking fact that you had to play second fiddle to the as were at the cambridges as were known at the cambridges as were known at the idea that he kept the time. this idea that he kept on saying to the palace powers that be, you know, why can't i do? and you stopping me, do? and why are you stopping me, meghan gives rocket meghan in and gives it rocket fuel. because they have fuel. but just because they have their , it's very their narrative, it's very easy to go netflix , oprah or to go on netflix, oprah or anyone and just give your side of events knowing that there's no chance the king the queen consort, the prince and princess wales are ever going to go on a chat show give their side, chat show and give their side, i mean, they can't perform one thing, it's totally one way and then they criticise the mainstream media of unfair report well fair at least report. well to be fair at least the newspapers offer a right of reply yeah indeed the chances are that this will to a big debate as to whether and harry's children become and princess

which they're entitled to and under the rules because he is the harry is son of a monarch. yeah that's going to happen in my view. well, what is that? the 1917 letters patent suggests this the grandchildren of a monarch should the title prince or princess. however, when you consider that they're not allowed to use their style under the sandringham agreement and the sandringham agreement and the that really i mean it's weird because meghan presents herself meghan duchess of sussex, which is actually a way that you would refer to if you're divorced. yeah if a duchess had passed away. so that's why they that's odd. and also why they want their children to be a prince princess if they so the institution of monarchy , they institution of monarchy, they are constantly seeking to undermine it with these interviews that doesn't make sense. no. and just finally commit. i can to charles is king cootie royal away from harry and meghan could do. i mean would that be this spectacular own goal that the duke and duchess of sussex was given to the

couple on their wedding day by the late queen that might look like you'll then i mean i get that it looks like their instigating war, as you say. it's a declaration of war. according to the daily mail, but must be true then some. yeah, but sometimes i think the royal approach it needs to defend approach is it needs to defend itself. the more reasonable itself. but the more reasonable itself. but the more reasonable it behaves, the more unreason harry and meghan seem and that's actually quite a strong pr tactic from their perspective. they're not going to lower themselves. they're royals themselves. they're real royals , not reality tv ones, right ? , not reality tv ones, right? but that's how they handle this . you've met harry. what's like i mean, i've always been really fond of him doing with him back in the day i think the last tour we did with him was to the canbbean we did with him was to the caribbean and he was fun and kind of cool in the press over. but there are also other moments where was pretty hostile and sort of questioned why the hell we there promoting we were there promoting charitable endeavours was usually we didn't charitable endeavours was usuythat we didn't charitable endeavours was usuythat much we didn't charitable endeavours was usuythat much of we didn't charitable endeavours was usuythat much of him we didn't charitable endeavours was usuythat much of him .ve didn't charitable endeavours was usuythat much of him . hedidn't charitable endeavours was usuythat much of him . he married see that much of him. he married meghan. know, sometimes meghan. you know, i sometimes think of the problem think that part of the problem with media relationship with with the media relationship with this remember this couple is you'll remember that william and kate got

that when william and kate got engaged 2010, we hotfoot it to st james's palace and we met the couple. kate's there, her navy blue dress. we a cup of tea with her. i remember her turning to me and i saw the ring and i said, my goodness, look at that ring. said, my goodness, look at that fing.and said, my goodness, look at that ring. and she said, yes, it was william's mother's. so it's very special. very special. i think i wanted something like, wanted to say something like, no, sherlock, but i smiled no, sherlock, but i just smiled and never got an and took all in. we never got an opportunity a meet and greet opportunity for a meet and greet with that would have with meghan. no. that would have helped to have had some helped right. to have had some face time. ended having her face time. she ended having her favourite she favourite journalist and she some contact with them it some contact with them but it wasn't let's be honest necessarily members of the mainstream media that's camilla tominey she's going to stay with me here right up until 2:00. i'm also going be talking about also going to be talking about the online safety the government's online safety bill. touch . bill. please do get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.uk before that, though, let's take a look at the weather . hello, though, let's take a look at the weather. hello, i'm though, let's take a look at the weather . hello, i'm alex though, let's take a look at the weather. hello, i'm alex deakin and is your latest weather update from the met office. most of us having a dry friday, just one or two scattered showers across the east, quite misty and murky. still a few stubborn fog.

patches and we've got an easterly breeze . things chilly easterly breeze. things chilly and that easterly wind will last through the weekend well . it through the weekend as well. it is weather fronts is pushing the weather fronts away. so i said, most place away. so as i said, most place dry. but in this easterly breeze across parts of eastern england and eastern scotland, every now and eastern scotland, every now and then, just few showers drifting in west area, seeing the best of any sunny spells we do as, say, some stubborn do have as, say, some stubborn mist patches which may mist and fog patches which may not completely clear many places, staying rather places, just staying rather drab. and it is temperatures only in single figures for. drab. and it is temperatures only in single figures for . the only in single figures for. the vast majority . that breeze will vast majority. that breeze will continue to strengthen in the eastern areas as well, still bringing a few more showers across . parts of eastern england across. parts of eastern england this evening . then last this evening. then last overnight, it will be as foggy overnight. but we could see some of the fog patches in south wales and southwest england certainly this evening and through the first of the through the first half of the night, skies in southern night, clearer skies in southern scotland, parts of northern england going to allow a touch of in, the countryside. of frost in, the countryside. but most places the but most places start the weekend at about three or four

degrees above freezing. it's still going to feel pretty cold, though, through this weekend. that wind will to that easterly wind will start to strengthen quite showers strengthen quite a few showers suspect parts of suspect over eastern parts of england and scotland damp england and scotland and damp weather across the highlands to the best of any brightness. further west . but most places further west. but most places will keep a lot of clouds during saturday and that easterly breeze bringing a chilly feel. temperatures reading 67 degrees for most. and on that and it will feel colder than that and that easily wind continues bring some showers of rain into parts of the east as we go saturday evening and they'll linger into sunday. well, so again a few showers around on sunday, perhaps a few more northern england on sunday. again, a lot of clouds again . and of clouds again. and temperatures only six or seven degrees with a strengthening easterly wind. it is going to feel chilly. go back .

well, it's all been happening on that robe, hasn't it? we had that robe, hasn't it? we had that big royal race rally involving susan hussey, who was there over 60 years, lady waiting to the queen. let's talk now . anti—racism activist and now. anti—racism activist and organiser black lives matters protests. imam eaton, who joins me in the studio. nice to see you again. last week we disagreed because you agreed with obama in my view of with the obama in my view of westminster councils to say no longer bame community. westminster councils to say no longer bame community . we're longer bame community. we're having a global majority . what having a global majority. what do you make of lady susan hussey was the way she questioned the woman at buckingham palace. well she being a racist. yes she was indeed. she being a racist. yes she was indeed . so it's actually called indeed. so it's actually called covert racism , the form of a covert racism, the form of a microphone validation, which is why i talk about. so ultimately, when a person and say, when go up to a person and say, where are you from? know where you really from what you're inferring is that they possibly couldn't identify as british due to the colour their skin, to the colour of their skin, which that you're leading which means that you're leading with prejudice. with racial prejudice. if you lead of racial you lead of racial prejudice, you are racist. wasn't she just

are a racist. wasn't she just being like said, being curious? like i said, where from? is once you're where you from? is once you're given answer, is and it goes given an answer, is and it goes on goes rather and several of us have explained. but she'll give an answer. except the answer when try to pry and you when you try to pry and you refuse to accept an answer at that point, you are now on the border of being racially prejudiced because as far as you are concerned, answer that she has given is not from that black person you profess something not is prejudice . this woman is racial prejudice. this woman lady has been with the lady hussey has been with the was with the queen for 6162 years. herjob was was with the queen for 6162 years. her job was to was with the queen for 6162 years. herjob was to often get years. her job was to often get ahead of her in the crowd and find out about people she's a racist. why have we heard this before? we heard this. before? we have heard this. okay. let me be clear. i have okay. so let me be clear. i have to just throw this out there. so racism. yes. firmly interwoven into . the fabric of society and into. the fabric of society and thatis into. the fabric of society and that is due to the historical context. so that includes and we can safely say that includes the institution that lays at the very heart of it. so let me just break it down. when an institution or an individual fails to make conscious fails to make a conscious decision to be anti racists,

what they don't realise is that their racial prejudice will manifest automatically, manifest itself automatically, even they are. whether or whether they realise it or not. okay. and is typical what okay. and this is typical what we this is what many black we find. this is what many black people contend with on people have to contend with on a daily basis. this is also daily basis. and this is also what saw with lady hussey and what we saw with lady hussey and of with meghan markle. what we saw with lady hussey and of watchedith meghan markle. what we saw with lady hussey and of watched the iieghan markle. what we saw with lady hussey and of watched the entire] markle. what we saw with lady hussey and of watched the entire this rkle. what we saw with lady hussey and of watched the entire this the. we watched the entire this the most powerful institution in this country, gaslight that woman like there was no tomorrow , literally. and they did it with the hints of politeness. british how did you do? and that is what we will witness. and hold on a second. how did they get one second? so ultimately, when someone comes along and says that they they have says that they are they have experienced some of racism when another comes along, who isn't from that community , wasn't from from that community, wasn't from that category that cohort and category actually says, well, dictates that is not racism, that is that that is not racism, that is a form gaslighting , it's a form of gaslighting, it's a form a markle invalidation form of a markle invalidation are ultimately saying or ultimately what you're doing is ignonng ultimately what you're doing is ignoring negates and neglecting the feelings and the thoughts, feelings and experiences of that individual. let break down. you. let me just break it down. you. you from a marginalised

you come from a marginalised community, you you come community, as you said. you come from community. if i from the lgbt community. if i was say to all other let was to say to you all other let me put it way, if you said me put it this way, if you said to me, on. was the victim to me, i'm on. i was the victim of homophobic attack and you came and told me that and i tell you categorically dictate to you categorically as a heterosexual woman. no andrew. no, andrew. you also you would show a hate crime if . someone you also you would show a hate crime if. someone thinks you also you would show a hate crime if . someone thinks they're crime if. someone thinks they're a victim of a hate . it's crime if. someone thinks they're a victim of a hate. it's a crime if. someone thinks they're a victim of a hate . it's a hate a victim of a hate. it's a hate crime. that's it. it comes now. it comes down to it. can't people. well, let's let's just hear what queen said because queen camilla actually it queen camilla actually put it quite when about quite nicely when talking about domestic also the domestic violence is also the same racism a heinous crime. same as racism a heinous crime. what to do with what you're supposed to do with survivors is, listen survivors and victims is, listen and believe. so i would like to lead what call queen camilla said. i think what she said was awesome about awesome when talking about domestic a domestic violence, which is a heinous must listen to heinous crime, we must listen to survivors believe their survivors. we must believe their stories . racism is a heinous stories. racism is a heinous crime. so therefore we must listen to those survivors and believe their stories . it's as believe their stories. it's as simple as that. and anything other that. right. it's other that. that's right. it's microaggression and that. she

has been listened to . it's not has been listened to. it's not really a now all about really a debate now all about whether or not. it was racist. the palace. i agree. it was. yes. thank you. because the palace said it was deeply regrettable and proffered lady susan hussey apology for the comments . so after a very swift comments. so after a very swift to be fair to came out and released a pretty statement saying we don't this language this was wrong and she shouldn't have said it. right. we're now moving on to the next stages, which i think is the most important one, really, which is what do we now do it? and i suppose my concern with cases like this is , it doesn't help like this is, it doesn't help the debate if everyone points and goes, you're racist, your she's now to have a meeting with this lady . it's of course up to this lady. it's of course up to the lady whether she wants to go ahead with that. but would personally say as a sort of outside observer of surely in order to improve this situation, a meeting , the best way to go a meeting, the best way to go

forward. this lady can educate lady who may well be accused of being a woman of her generation. that's not a justification. thank you very much. so i don't interject. and this idea that ms. forlani doesn't i don't know how we take this whole situation forward. if we can't debate this topic further and this roundtable, i think sometimes fail in the space about discussing racism that they're so worried themselves about getting the terminology wrong or saying the wrong thing or having the wrong reaction . i don't the wrong reaction. i don't understand as well why. cancellation is the solution here. lady sarah hussey has made a mistake. we're now living in this society where people can't apologise and properly atone for that. their as if, god forbid, that. their as if, god forbid, that committed a much serious crime. i'm not saying racism isn't serious, but it's not murder . it's isn't serious, but it's not murder. it's not paedophilia. does deserve the cancellation . a does deserve the cancellation. a woman who's given 60 of her years to public. well, i think you're looking at the isolated you're looking at the isolated you're looking at the isolated you're looking at the incident, as i kind of as an isolated

incident. obviously, we have to put it into context, ultimately talking institution talking about an institution that stems or derives from racism. so let me just i have to throw this out here. the first thing the reason why everything becomes so contentious and people leave with counselling is because including because many people, including myself, the black community, what to do many what i have had to do many others had sit patiently others i've had to sit patiently and, i've had to watch white people to black people what racism is ? you cannot tell me as racism is? you cannot tell me as a black woman what racism is. you cannot me what racism is . i you cannot me what racism is. i am here to tell you, just like meghan with her documentary, she's had to sit and listen to everyone, tell her what's her reality is. so you know what? now it's time her to speak. and just like with black people, you cannot come along and me cannot come along and tell me what tell you what racism is. i'm to tell you the reason why. let me just make it clear for you. she who feels knows more african proverb . knows more african proverb. please remember do you see please remember that. do you see side? wouldn't for a minute. side? i wouldn't for a minute. dream as a white woman to tell her. most people don't think her. but most people don't think racism that you it.

racism is that you see it. i certainly didn't say in the certainly didn't say that in the conversation. i'm saying conversation. what i'm saying is as deeply regrettable to as as deeply regrettable to quote the palace as lady sarah's comments were . is it helpful to comments were. is it helpful to the debate to see her cancelled and vilified or would it not be better to see educated and rehabilitated ? actually, i could rehabilitated? actually, i could agree with you and i agree. thank you very much having two of the best. we need to stop the discussion shortly. camilla i would just make this final point, if you wouldn't mind, just on camilla. thank just to add on camilla. thank you adding that you very much for adding that point. very because i'm point. i am very because i'm a train, i'm an anti—racist and trained my first port of call trained on my first port of call is it's not to bring is to train it's not to bring contention and not to conflate situation. educate. and situation. it's to educate. and i much as black people. i think as much as black people. obviously duty to obviously it's not our duty to educate in way with someone obligated because there are many people that ignorant. so i don't believe cancel it's believe in cancel culture. it's not something i to personally and do that she should have and i do that she should have been like the been educated just like the institution terms of moving institution in terms of moving forward. the first thing we

should have done as an institution conscious institution is make a conscious decision anti—racist. so decision to be anti—racist. so as i said, an institution or an individual's racial will manifest whether whether manifest itself, whether whether they understanding or appreciates it or not. the second thing that we need to do is make that every individual adheres to the equalities laws and legislations which is something that previous something that the previous well, late did not do. well, sorry, late did not do. and lastly, they have to lead by example ultimately example which would ultimately help the war. so thank you help kill the war. so thank you very much . me just say in the very much. me just say in the last seconds, i think the last 30 seconds, i think the palace brutal lady hussey palace brutal to lady hussey because she worked for the queen for 62 years. they could put out the statement apologising. she could meet the woman she offended that she racially who said but then was very stupid because the irony is because of makes what happens. it's the palace turn around and said we need to be more diverse and more inviting and more people of colour yeah, that's not colour to. yeah, but that's not even rooted in white privilege. but better not but it's better than not inviting colour into inviting people of colour into the i agree with what the palace. i agree with what you said originally andrew terms of will say quite of i actually will say quite quite confidently as black

quite confidently as a black woman blm organiser, woman who's a blm organiser, that's harsh. she's been working as we know, she's an unpaid enrolled woman. she's working for the right and it's working for the right and it's working for the right and it's working for the queen for 60 days. and you fired because you all you get fired because you all perpetuate racism, perpetuate overt racism, which is very much prevalent within the institute that you work in. it's a scapegoat because i'm concerned. i actually feel sorry for. year old woman for. the 84 year old woman emanating . thank you joining emanating. thank you for joining us. always a lively us. it's been always a lively discussion and i suspect we're going to see you a lot more. this programme, tominey this programme, camilla tominey with to with me until 2:00. you're to me. watching me. andrew me. i'm watching me. andrew pierce. come the pierce. lots to come in the final half the program. final half hour of the program. we'll be hearing from surrey's police and crime following her comments officers comments that police officers should allowed to conduct should not be allowed to conduct female strip searches . how many female strip searches. how many transgender police officers are that? but first, it's your news . and that? but first, it's your news. and afternoon . it's 132. that? but first, it's your news. and afternoon . it's132. i'm bethany afternoon. it's132. i'm bethany elsey . your top stories from the elsey. your top stories from the gb newsroom gb news understands

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talking to you now about the online safety bill. it matters, doesn't it? because we're being split walking into censorship. the original bill was going to include the phrase the government could censor anything which was described as legal but harmful . that was supposed to be harmful. that was supposed to be kicked out . nadine dorries, the

kicked out. nadine dorries, the culture secretary, said even a jemmy carr joke could be excluded under that provision. it supposedly removed for it was supposedly removed for the of facebook, twitter , the likes of facebook, twitter, instagram, back for instagram, but now it's back for people under the age of 18. platform switch which failed to protect people in particular, children face fines of up to 10% of their revenues. but that legal but harmful continues to go on. jim killick is director of the open rights group. jim, we've before about this. how important was it that this expression legal but was removed which was what nadine dorries wanted to incorporate , but it wanted to incorporate, but it seemed to have been sneaked back in for people under the age of 18. but how does facebook know who's looking , who's under 18 or who's looking, who's under 18 or over 18? i don't know how that works. yeah, well, it know and that's the problem. so basically, if you're an adult and you haven't been proven to be an adult, then all this material that is deemed potentially harmful has to be

hidden from you. so at the moment. if you use google search, you don't include the kind of if you sort of say, i want adult content filtered out, then you kind of get broad results . if you take that results. if you take that filter, then all kinds of stuff disappears. then seen until you've been age verified . and you've been age verified. and google's kind of proven to itself that. you're an adult, you're going to have to have the child friendly version. google search. you know , not saying search. you know, not saying it's the same for reddit. it's the same for twitter all of which include some adult material and you can have a preview of your identity effectively or you're setting your age to all of these, which is pretty extreme because many of those sites will say, well, do we even want to this technology? and they could just switch themselves off for the uk . so i think this is a really dangerous approach idea that you're going to age verify everybody and the globe internet is going to do that just for the uk is a sort of nonsense. so

there's going to be lots of sites which basically just disappear from view one way or another. once these kind of measures are put in place, but something has to be done, doesn't it? because television station monitored by the station is monitored by the rules set by ofcom . newspapers rules set by ofcom. newspapers as publishers also have strict rules to follow. so facebook and instagram and the like also have to have there to be some way of monitoring what they're because they've they've got millions of followers . well, look, i mean followers. well, look, i mean i mean, you can't compare like with like in broadcast is a very very different to other industries it is not the newspapers are not regulated anywhere near the way that broadcasters are. there is no requirement for newspapers to be balance. they're just subject to things like libel law . yes, things like libel law. yes, there are voluntary regulators that deal with complaints, but that's a voluntary system. you know, the newspapers fought tooth and nail to keep all of that voluntary yet. but they're very happy for these kind of state regulations to be imposed

on on facebook . and i kind of on on facebook. and i kind of think well, you know, that's foolish because they'll be coming for you next. as for , you coming for you next. as for, you know, what this really is, you know, what this really is, you know, we're about individuals talking to other individuals and you are not told when you are in the pub in, the town square that you if you say something that is sort of not quite right. but somebody is going to come and kind of, you know, put a screen over you and stop you from printing talking. that isn't how these things work. the issue here, of course , is that these here, of course, is that these platforms are enormous and their moderation systems are dreadful. but way deal with that is but the way deal with that is exactly what seeing now with with twitter, where actually the users are saying enough is enough , many of us are now going enough, many of us are now going to leave . and as that platform to leave. and as that platform kind of has all of that happened and people do go away because they don't think the moderation in the rules sufficient, then, you know, the free market starts to answer that problem . and to answer that problem. and that's not to say we just leave

it to the market, but there is the really powerful thing is when people have power to , when people have power to, decide the kind of systems they want rather than government and corporations imposing it on. all right, jim, that's jim . he's right, jim, that's jim. he's executive director of the open rights group. now, breaking story officials are dealing with a fresh outbreak , diphtheria at a fresh outbreak, diphtheria at the ftx migrant centre in kent. it's a gb news exclusive. this comes after figures released this week showed almost 4000 migrants. shocking have crossed the channel to the uk so far this year and now reports to albanians who abused britain's anti—slavery laws to avoid deportation could be returned and have their claims heard in their home country. as part of a deal between , the two countries deal between, the two countries that speak to international human rights lawyer david hague. david hague. the system cannot carry on like there's 44,000 people crossing the channel already . they're just the ones already. they're just the ones we know about . and albanians we know about. and albanians increasingly . a large number of increasingly. a large number of that group and they are fleeing

a country where there is no warfare and no, as i'm aware of , proper repression of individual rights. good afternoon, andrea. i mean, i think that we're seeing every day there's a there's a new headune day there's a there's a new headline when it comes to immigration and the migration . immigration and the migration. and every day, yet another policy press release or statement . the home office of statement. the home office of have may or may not try and tackle that . in your view , tackle that. in your view, should the government be to simply say to albanians the moment they land in in dover, kent, we can put you straight on a plane back to . i think that a plane back to. i think that i mean, that's a it's a difficult question to answer. and the fact that the they can't do that without facing legal challenges . so if the question is, should they be able to. then the worry that i would have as a human rights lawyer is that you we need to protect the people that will be in the large numbers of people are coming across

people that are coming across wrongly illegally actually wrongly illegally that actually do there be do protection. there will be some asylum seekers in those numbers and it's those people that we need to protect. but at the time, with the present law, then that's not possible . so then that's not possible. so they have to change law. the exactly. so this is where the problem that you have with it, with the current office, which is effectively in and not fit for purpose for anyone, whether it's the british people in, the borders they're trying to protect or the genuine asylum seekers because we have a one policy after another that's announced, we saw another one a few days ago where 50 of the tory mp suggested another initiative which itself would be doomed to fail, because that can that would be a breach of existing laws. so they need to change the existing laws that will remove a lot of these legal challenges as is like your your guest earlier said they need to have a fast effect of an efficient and fair system in place for dealing with these asylum seekers when they come to

the uk. there's need for it to take six months to three years to process application. if that is done quicker then then it's a it's a domino effect that that remove all sorts of incentives . remove all sorts of incentives. i think the money we're giving france which seems to be money down the drain. david 70 million. 75 million. wouldn't that hiring that better spent hiring servants to process the applications, asylum applications, asylum applications on the spot in britain ? well, absolutely . the britain? well, absolutely. the thing is, when i'm calling from google now, you know, smuggling , whether it's people or otherwise, is not a new problem for us. we are an island. this is you know, these aren't things that suddenly appeared in the last year or two. these are that we've always had. don't see we've always had. so i don't see why current is completely in why the current is completely in of resolving the migrant crisis or that sir david hague he's an international rights lawyer. camilla i'm breaking a secret . camilla i'm breaking a secret. you've just come back from albania ? yes, i've just been albania? yes, i've just been there only briefly for your newspaper, the telegraph which

will come out next week. i'm what ? think the view is will what? think the view is will thing is first of all that the tories have 12 years to create this problem and it's only got worse. those numbers that refer to at the beginning, i mean, we had about hundred odd people coming 2009, 18 and now coming in by in 2009, 18 and now it's 44,000. so that doesn't to a home office that has a grip on the home office never has a grip . the home office is a basket case , certainly since labour in case, certainly since labour in power john reid famously said unfit for purpose, unfit for purpose, it's too big i mean there should just be a hived off to its own dealing with from to of its own dealing with from the public's of view. i don't necessarily they are actually anti immigrant what they are anti immigrant what they are anti uncontrolled immigration which then puts huge pressures on their local services . it's on their local services. it's not even really about xenophobia . about protectionism. right. oh, my god. i won't be able to get my child into a school. oh, my goodness. i can't imagine. doing a legitimate concern . it's doing a legitimate concern. it's safe and bigoted. i mean, it's

understandable . i think with understandable. and i think with regard to david hague, they're referring to the david davis suggestion. yeah. the david suggestion. yeah. the david suggestion seemed eminently to me and it was two fold, wasn't it. it was saying and it was making the comparison between the uk and other european countries which do not accept asylum claims from , because it's asylum claims from, because it's not including in war. okay to germany. so i think all a approval rate is about 54. and you down the table and other european nations 0.1 second vote. he made the argument out, i thought made quite a lot of sense. if you are a victim of human sex trafficking to a country where you're being exploited , surely the best place exploited, surely the best place for you to go is back to your home country when you looked after as part of investigations this week , there is an obvious this week, there is an obvious economic imperative for albanians to come to this country. the average wage there per is about ,300 with country. the average wage there per is abou t ,300 with the country. the average wage there per is about ,300 with the land of milk and honey. right? of course. and the people are desperately trying to rebuild an

economy that was absolutely soft enjoyed by 50 years of communist rule the still more over that the. but they're suffering from a dreadful brain drain because all the countries economically appear more attractive . so their appear more attractive. so their birth rate has completely plummeted. i think there was another table suggesting that 30% of all albanians do live in other countries not just the uk but around the world. do i believe in the demonisation individual albanians? not really. do i think that language about invasions is helpful? no. i mean, you'd want brought in to be concentrating a bit more on process applications the process applications than the rhetoric . the point said to rhetoric. the point i said to david hague, the money david hague, the extra money we're france is we're giving to france is million. about 76. million. it's now about 76. wouldn't it better spent wouldn't it be better spent processing applications on the spot in can and kicking them out. yes it's a bogus application but also i think some of the are in this country towards albania and just slightly misplaced you know the who are running these criminal gangs kind of international criminals gangs and criminals running huge gangs and syndicates . the thing is syndicates. the other thing is that obviously what happens is

because of schengen and the european approach approach, this is a leapfrogging where albanians have from their own country going far. all these others then ended up at the last port of call. so it's almost as if a logistical issue as well. you know, how physically stop these , which problem these boats, which is a problem that to completely defy that seems to completely defy any home secretary or minister. just finally this matter, i'm absolutely convinced tories are heading for a election defeat if they don't sort the boats out they don't sort the boats out the small boats, it could be a landslide. i think so. and it's not just because immigration is a massive issue to people. you can look at any of the ipsos mori polling and a key concern along nhs. it's the along with the nhs. it's the breaking promises. we've now breaking of promises. we've now got a party that is broken promises tax and promises on not rising tax and vat and i see contributions , vat and i see contributions, they said that bring immigration . they haven't. it's again . they haven't. so it's again not necessarily about migrants orindeed not necessarily about migrants or indeed asylum seekers per se when it comes to the electorate's response , it's electorate's response, it's about the tories basically not integrity and competence . integrity and competence. exactly. the tories basically

not worth the paper that they're voted on. that's to on many issues is an assistant editor of the express sorry, the daily telegraph . she was at the telegraph. she was at the expressway. she broke a rather good story about harry dating a woman called meghan markle. same job title you would you do, by the way. you do. and course commit is going to have a great show here on. tv news in the new year now. a and crime year now. a police and crime commission some criticism commission is some criticism after police after saying transgender police officers be allowed officers should not be allowed to female to conduct female strip searches. townsend is the searches. lisa townsend is the tory commissioner for tory police commissioner for surrey. says her critique of surrey. she says her critique of national policing guidelines is defence of women's rights . and defence of women's rights. and i'm delighted to say lisa joins me now. lisa, first, because i have to ask how transgender have to ask how many transgender police officers are there ? good police officers are there? good afternoon, andrew. i don't know is the honest answer. i know we have at least in surrey, but actually this isn't about transgender officers. my problem with transgender officers searching specifically issue searching specifically my issue is with self—identification and the idea that any officer can choose self i.d. the idea that any officer can choose self id. and that day be

allowed to intimately somebody of the opposite sex . they may be of the opposite sex. they may be of the opposite sex. they may be of the opposite sex. they may be of the same gender that the officer is identifying with, but they may be of opposite sex. so just to be absolutely clear. transgender officers are largely speaking the same . other speaking the same. other officers want to get on with their jobs wants to be excellent police are excellent. police but when we have examples , people when we have examples, people like wayne cousins, who we know abuse their position in order to be able to attack women. what is stopping somebody under these current guidelines and abusing the guidelines and their position in order to intimately search a woman somebody opposite sex for reasons that i think none of would be comfortable with, including genuine transgender officers . just transgender officers. just remind us, and lisa, what those guide those police guidelines currently say? yeah, that's right. so the current guidelines say that if somebody i identifies as a different gender from the sex that they were born into . so if you andrea were a

into. so if you andrea were a police officer and you decided to identify as a woman tomorrow morning and you a police officer and you said call me, andrea. then from that your colleagues and police should treat you as woman and therefore allow to intimately search a woman, a female who has been brought into custody, who, of course, hasn't tried or convicted of anything and may herself be vulnerable . and may herself be vulnerable. she may have experienced abuse , she may have experienced abuse, mental health issues and of that. and what concerns me about , it is we're putting the failings of potentially man this male against the rights of a woman , have another woman search woman, have another woman search . what's been the reaction , your . what's been the reaction, your own police force to your your your stance . well i think your stance. well i think i think surrey police are actually quite sensible on this. if i'm completely i think they will always look at who is in custody. there will be differing views, of course, as there are across this issue. what i'm more concerned about actually , i'm an

concerned about actually, i'm an elected and crime elected face and crime commissioner the residents commissioner by the residents of surrey the surrey to represent the residents surrey and they're residents of surrey and they're the people who i i hold the the people who i who i hold the police account on behalf of. police to account on behalf of. so job isn't to agree what so my job isn't to agree what the do or for them even the police do or for them even to with what i think it's to hold them to account to make sure they are delivering the absolute best services for residents and the residents of. surrey and the residents of. surrey and the residents largely by residents of surrey, largely by some modern told me, is that they are not with men in particular being able to sell feed into women's spaces . what feed into women's spaces. what about the issue of prisoners? this is an issue, isn't it? a male prisoner may identify as a woman and then expect to go to a women's only prison . yeah, and women's only prison. yeah, and you know , when comes a massive you know, when comes a massive surprise to you learn that that i and many others have an issue with that and i'm not necessarily suggesting there should be a blanket sort of policy on this i do think that it needs be looked at case it needs to be looked at case by case. but somebody, for case. but where somebody, for example committed example who has committed a sexual violent act against sexual or violent act against a woman and we know that the

biggest predictor whether biggest predictor of whether somebody will a somebody will will commit a sexual or violent act is your biology. it's straight whether you born male or female. you were born male or female. it's not how you identify what somebody has done that clearly a man and rape in this country you ought in order to reach the ought to in order to reach the legal definition of rape, it has to be penetration with a penis that you to be male with . that you have to be male with. that person then identifies into as a woman in order to get into as a woman in order to get into a woman's prison, i think we should all again have very, very serious issues that because serious issues with that because women themselves quite women in prison themselves quite uniquely whatever uniquely vulnerable, whatever reason they're there for whatever background in terms of trauma, we that as a female prison population they overwhelmingly have experienced trauma in their lives and often domestic abuse . those women are domestic abuse. those women are quite are a sort of captive group . and so you put somebody group. and so you put somebody in there with them, a male who has committed some of the most acts that one human can commit against another. just seems to me it goes against all common sense and everything that we know to be right. all right.

that's lisa townsend, the eminent centre, in my view, surrey police and crime commissioner told me we only got about minute left. i think about a minute left. i think she's. isn't she? of course she is. i mean, i think i ourselves in knots about this. and you made good point you asked made a good point when you asked the question, many the initial question, how many trans officers, they trans police officers, how they why kind of policy why is this kind of policy making that affects the being dictated by a tiny, tiny minority and that very vocal ? minority and that very vocal? yeah, it seems incongruous as that going to have to change the guidelines, aren't they. yeah i would imagine so. and i think that's legitimate problem with trans in female spaces only continues . but of course in the continues. but of course in the cancel culture that we in, we discussed earlier with lady susan, you know, you're not allowed to express a view on that without being labelled tough told you're tough, being told that you're a bigot in fact simply saying bigot when in fact simply saying that in order to protect one set of people's rights, it's probably a great idea to erode the of women or others. indeed

for a very small minority , for a very small minority, camilla tominey, she's going be here on gb news with our own sunday show. it's january the eighth. 30 till 11. it'll be required viewing. i'll be . and required viewing. i'll be. and you've been watching me. i'm andrew pierce here on gb news. the show will be back the same time next friday noon. don't go anywhere, because up next, it's the briefing with arlene foster. before get the before we're going to get the weather . hello before we're going to get the weather. hello again. i'm alex deakin . this is your latest deakin. this is your latest weather update from the office. it's turned colder and the chilly will last this chilly feel will last this weekend easterly being weekend by an easterly being generated by large area of high pressure . this area of high just pressure. this area of high just sitting away to the east. we do have a couple of areas of low pressure for the but the highest winning out and generating an easterly wind our air and all our weather in from the north sea. so it's these eastern areas most likely continue to see a few showers through the evening penod. few showers through the evening period . the west generally period. the west generally staying dry some mist and fog, cycling up across parts of wales and south—west england could be

quite dense for time. the sea evening where we see some clear skies go. south west scotland, northwest we are likely northwest england we are likely to see a touch of frost in the countryside, perhaps too. in the south—west. of us will south—west. but most of us will start at three or four start at about three or four degrees the weekend it, degrees into the weekend it, we'll a bright day, i we'll have a bright day, i think, across much of the country compared to today. there'll more in the there'll be a bit more in the way of sunshine, but we are going to continue these going to continue see these showers across parts showers drifting in across parts eastern england, maybe eastern scotland, and dank , scotland, too, and some dank, drizzly across the highlands and the and isles all set some the west and isles all set some sunny spells in south—west scotland, west wales , western scotland, west wales, western parts england , temperatures parts of england, temperatures only six or seven, maybe celsius at easterly breeze, it will at alma easterly breeze, it will feel pretty chilly and. it'll be fairly cold of heading out on saturday. still a few showers, all rain across the east, maybe a little bit of snow on the very tops of the pennines when these showers move in. but as i said, mostly rain at low levels. again it'll stay fairly cloudy as we head into sunday. shouldn't be as foggy as it has been over

recent mornings and generally dull but dry day in the south the odd shower here in that it's southern parts of northern ireland, southern northern england, most likely to see the showers on sunday. again, a bit snow as possible on the hills. again temperatures really struggling, single and all that wind . it'll feel even colder wind. it'll feel even colder colder .

get good afternoon and welcome to the your afternoon fix of all latest political news debate on analysis. i'm arlene foster and here's what's coming up over the next are. first of all has britain's competitive edge stalled conservative mp john penrose has written a report on how the needs to embrace and

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