channel well, hello there. it's 6:00 on michelle dewberry and this dewbs & co the show where we'll get into the things that have got you talking today . and now of you talking today. and now of course we've had a by—election, haven't chester, the haven't we, in chester, the first of rishi sunak's first one of rishi sunak's premiership. to say the premiership. i've got to say the tories up a little league tories got up a little league parties . is tories got up a little league parties. is they the tories got up a little league parties . is they the star of tories got up a little league parties. is they the star of end of the tory party what do you think of that. yes. on now strikes they're going everywhere now. they pretty much every sector, everything seems to be going on strike. we talk it often it does feel now though that there is an element of counter nation to some of this now it's the health service or whether it's the rail and the roads. we found out coordinating their efforts. it's got to the point for me personally i feel

this is almost now the unions attempting to hold the country hostage . am i wrong or is this hostage. am i wrong or is this indeed the next step that the unions be taking in order to get the part that they that they deserve .7 and over in the us , deserve? and over in the us, biden is saying that he would meet putin to talk peace in ukraine. but i want to second. sure if this happened months and, months and months ago , why and, months and months ago, why have so many countries been so to try and bring a end to the conflict in ukraine? and what should the uk role be in all of this? and matt hancock, his final back in parliament. what you reckon the future holds for him though? do you even think he should be there as some people are he's got no business are saying, he's got no business being parlour housing. you being in parlour housing. you tell me. well, i've all of that to come. but first, let's get ourselves up to with tonight's latest headlines . good evening.

latest headlines. good evening. i'm alex porter in the gb newsroom the uk health security agency has six young children have now died from a strep a infection . deaths include infection. deaths include children from ealing surrey and cardiff. health say they've seen a slight rise in cases of strep a which can cause scarlet fever , deaths and serious complications from the infection. a rare gb news understands health officials are deaung understands health officials are dealing with new cases of diphtheria at the ftx migrant processing centre in kent. the cases were discovered among the more than 2000 channel migrants who've arrived on small boats in recent days . gb news has recent days. gb news has obtained exclusive live images from inside ftx , revealing some from inside ftx, revealing some of the poor conditions are living in. official have told us they believe those testing positive for diphtheria contracted it while living in a rough in france . sajid javid has rough in france. sajid javid has announced he will not stand again at the next general

election. the mp for bromsgrove was the health secretary, until july this year when he stood in the tory leadership campaign. he's one of the most prominent conservative mp to announce that to step down. he also held other cabinet positions , including cabinet positions, including chancellor and home secretary . chancellor and home secretary. in a letter to the chairman , the in a letter to the chairman, the bromsgrove conservative association , mr. javid said association, mr. javid said serving the government had been the privilege of his life and that he hoped his best was sufficient . the labour leader sufficient. the labour leader says the party's by—election win in chester shows people want a change of government . samantha change of government. samantha dickson increased the party's majority by more than 4000 to almost 11,000. the contest was triggered by the resignation of former labour mp christian matheson following complaints of serious sexual harassment. he denies allegations. sir keir starmer says voters are fed up with chaos. the labour party has been putting forward a positive plan for the future . how we plan for the future. how we stabilise and grow our economy. so we were putting a positive

choice to the electorate in chester . the government is worn chester. the government is worn out, tired, has crushed economy and the verdict was very, very clearly given and i think that's a clear message to prime minister rishi sunak's that are fed up. they a change another arrest has been made in the investigation into the murders of 216 year olds who was stabbed to death just a mile apart in south—east london. an 18 year old man is now custody and two other teenage boys have been charged. the victims have been named as colne selenski, who was found in thames mead and charlie bartolo , who was found in abbey bartolo, who was found in abbey wood last month. the met police say the suspect aged 15 and 16 had been remanded in to appear at the old bailey on tuesday . at the old bailey on tuesday. chemotherapy and are among a list of services that will be protected from strikes in the build up to christmas. the royal college nursing has also announced that critical units neonatal paediatric intensive

care will not be impacted. other services will be severely reduced . members of the rcn in reduced. members of the rcn in england and northern ireland are set . take industrial action on set. take industrial action on december 15th and 20th. since the rmt union boss has held talks with the government in a bid halt. strikes planned over the christmas . mick lynch , the christmas. mick lynch, scotland's transport minister, yesterday . the pair have urged yesterday. the pair have urged westminster intervene in the network rail pay dispute. transport secretary mark harper said he wanted to work with i.r.a. and the employers in good to resolve issues. lynch said talks will continue the weekend royal mail has been told it cannot keep blaming the covid pandemic for late deliveries. it's after the firm had failed to meet several of its annual delivery targets . year. delivery targets. year. regulator ofcom say just 82% of first class mail was delivered within one working day. that's below a target of 93. ofcom performance at royal mail also fell well short of where it

should be. in the early parts of this financial year conspiracy theorist alex jones has filed for bankruptcy. it comes less two months after a jury ordered him to pay more than £800 million for spreading lies about the 2012 sandy hook mass shooting . chapter 11 paperwork. shooting. chapter 11 paperwork. samir steered to the us bankruptcy court claims. james has between bankruptcy court claims. james has betwee n £800,000 an d £8 has between £800,000 and £8 million in assets. tv, online and dab radio. this is gb news now. it's back to dewbs& co . now. it's back to dewbs& co. thanks that. while i'm with you right till 7:00 this evening and alongside me , me company. right alongside me, me company. right through to bitter end is my panel of . political consultant panel of. political consultant alex dean and the proud trade i was going to say just trade unionist . was going to say just trade unionist. but was going to say just trade unionist . but you told me you

unionist. but you told me you were very proud. so i thought, get in there, unionist and proud. come on. yeah, well, i've got a few to to you, young got a few to say to you, young man, anywhere. also man, anywhere. he's also the author on firemen. very brave, i have to say, paul embery. and you know , drill, don't you? it's you know, drill, don't you? it's not just about ulster on the show tonight. it's about you at home as well. i want all your thoughts tonight. what is on your mind? you can get in touch with me on email. jb at gbnews.uk as usual, or you can tweet me at gb news. don't forget to post strikes. i want to talk politics. i want to talk peace in russia. are we ever going to get that in ukraine? sorry we ever going to get sorry are we ever going to get there. hancock is back there. and matt hancock is back in. do you care? did he win you over when he was the jungle or do you think he to be out on? your thoughts on all of that but first let's get straight into shall we labour's lead i mean you know well i'm just going to go straight to the chase. ultimately this was indeed first byelection since rishi took his premiership up and i have to say

they got the tories got an absolute and it doesn't really feel like that is going anywhere that we've run a people's poll here at gb news that found that labour are sitting on 46% of the vote. this was how they would vote. this was how they would vote if there was a general election tomorrow. of course the tories languishing at just 21. the lib dems even further behind at 7. goodness may. well, let's speak to conservative mp greg smith live now. good evening greg just be mentioning there the chester by—election let's just get straight to the chase you guys got an absolute kicking out the tories basically a busted flush now by elections are things that the sitting governments rarely win . in fact governments rarely win. in fact the abnormal of by elections was actually when boris johnson was prime minister and were winning places like hartlepool whilst in government that historically hasn't normally and by elections

are a way the public gives the government a bit of a kicking. i'm not pretending that the result was in any way good. it was deeply to see it this morning, but it's i don't think it's something that we should take out of the ordinary or something like the is showing a particular direction of travel for the next general election. yeah behind in the polls we've got a lot work to do to really trust to show the conservatives still the party that are placed to run the country and the economy but if you look back to the 1990s, tony blair was getting much bigger swings. the labour party ahead of the 97 general election in 92 to actually don't really care about the nineties to be honest you know you're saying of course you're telling me what you should be telling me that you are strong, you are fit to govern and you are the party of the people i mean, but come on, even today such javid he said

he's not even going to run again at the next election many of your team are saying exactly the same because they know you must know that you're not really going to win the next general election, are you . well, the election, are you. well, the next election is two years away . lot can change in politics in a week , let alone two years. a week, let alone two years. i fully acknowledge our place in the polls right now is good. we've got a lot of work to do to really trust to show that we do have a strong credible plan for the country the economy. but just it does take on this point about colleagues saying . they're about colleagues saying. they're stepping down at the moment. it's your attention and wider media attention at the moment lots of colleagues saying that standing down and the reason for thatis standing down and the reason for that is the it's happening abnormally early not because people are randomly choosing to stand but because of the massive boundary changes that are happening across the whole country to equalise the number of electors in each constituency. certainly my party is asking all of us if we want

to stand again , which seats we to stand again, which seats we want to stand in far earlier than in the normal electoral cycle . so before every general cycle. so before every general election , you know, ten, 20, 30, election, you know, ten, 20, 30, 40 mp5 election, you know, ten, 20, 30, 40 mps from any particular party will retire or decide they want to do something else or go back to do something else or go back to their old career or whatever might be the difference this time round is people are having to say what they're going to do , probably a year and a half than they ordinarily would because of the boundary. yeah the boundary changes sound like a convenient excuse to me, but let's move on, shall we? let's talk strikes . i was announcing talk strikes. i was announcing coordination on our way across unions, across different sectors. so now we're going to have it's been confirmed today coordinated strikes in your area rail road let's. coordinated strikes in your area rail road let's . just be honest rail road let's. just be honest do you think the government lost control of the situation now or the current government the transport ministers hugh today and mark harper as the secretary

of state for transport have been trying to actually in where the government shouldn't be stepping in to try and resolve particularly the rail dispute . particularly the rail dispute. let's not forget the negotiations on pay and conditions and working practises are between the unions and the train operating companies with network rail in the mix as well the government is not a player in those negotiations why you have got talking to the unions then what to your point because things have got so bad because there seems to be a total impulse because no deal can be either you can look at from both sides either because the demands the unions are frankly on reasonably high or because the train operating companies are just not budging. one inch. there is blame on both of the fence here the government has had to take view that they needed to get both parties round the table to try and hammer something out. i know how that went today . marc lynch as , he

went today. marc lynch as, he came out of the human meeting. seems to have indicated the talks are ongoing and they'll be back around those tables . but back around those tables. but fundamentally, these are going to hammer the british economy again at a time when traders and the hospitality industry desperately need the income still struggling, post—pandemic they're still struggling to that. their books are healthy and balanced. and december is a months when they are reliant on that trade and if i can just put a gentle to the unions for listeners of your show , this is listeners of your show, this is not the time to be trying endear yourself to the british public by shutting down their ability to go to a christmas parties to do their christmas shopping, to get to work to get to medical appointments , and for children appointments, and for children to be getting to school. lots of kids use the railways to get to school in my patch . they do school in my patch. they do indeed. and i think what happened was, look, have i i've got a proud trade unionist that right beside me. so a bit later

on in my programme put on in my programme shall put that point to him. but for that exact point to him. but for now conservative greg smith, now conservative mp greg smith, thank time, alex thank you for your time, alex steyn, pick up with steyn, i'm going to pick up with you the political side of you on the political side of things. touch strikes things. we'll touch on strikes in minutes, but for now, in a few minutes, but for now, politics. reckon the tory politics. do you reckon the tory is? don't know. i i like greg is? i don't know. i i like greg smith very much pains me to disagree with them bit. think disagree with them a bit. think he's right about the points about choosing to stand about people choosing to stand again the tory formally asked all mpps to decide by the fifth if they're going to stand because of the of the boundary changes and that's forced people's minds in a way that it wouldn't have done otherwise. that also of that deadline is also right of course governments lose course, governments usually lose by elections , and what it's by elections, and for what it's worth to state the obvious that keir starmer isn't tony blair and therefore you can, the tory party, comfort itself saying that he won't win as big as blair. where we part ways blair. but where we part ways a bit, i'm afraid, is on the lessons to learn from the test election. and the reason whilst the by elections can often be a time to kick the government the reason i think it's worth

looking at is that if you think about the recent by elections we've had so neil parish sex scandal khan sex scandal disregard to the sad by elections caused by the death of jack dromey and the murder of david amess and go back to the last one caused by an mp having to go out in partisan scandal the tories in those whether safe or marginal took a kicking in all three but comforted ourselves saying it's because ourselves by saying it's because of what happened with the incumbent incumbents were the names were stained they dragged down the ticket that the problem and it was lib this and this time it was lib this time the labour incumbent had his name stained by in the words of the investigators, a serious sexual scandal and it seemed to hurt labour not one bit. the conservative party was punished at the polls in chester . so it at the polls in chester. so it does rather suggests to me the conservative party is in some trouble, not done, but in some trouble, not done, but in some trouble . yeah. and i always find trouble. yeah. and i always find it fascinating the turnout these by because almost 60% by elections because almost 60% of people by the way didn't even

bother to go out and if i was an mp having a good look in the mirror, i'm going to work with myself asking myself, why do so few people even care? that's what want myself anyway what i want to ask myself anyway . stand on it, . where do you stand on it, paul? well i just think one of the talking points of politics at moment, the that the at the moment, the way that the tories squashed that tories have squashed that significant realignment that took place in our country, the 2019 election, when they romped to victory, 80 seats or whatever it was made significant inroads , red wall, territory where previously they didn't up many seats at all and they did it frankly on the promise. first of all, with getting brexit done, they a lot of working class voters on promise but also i think they got the messaging right around some the stuff about levelling up you know we're not going to be a government like previous tory governments rolling back the frontiers of and frontiers of the state and getting the market every man getting to the market every man for himself kind of thing. it was more of a kind of was very much more of a kind of intervene, honest approach. we will community, we will level your community, we

will level your community, we will , industry and will bring jobs, industry and regeneration community regeneration to your community and people quite like and people actually quite like that. and people actually quite like that . to see them now just that. and to see them now just two or three years, whatever it is, down the line, scraping along bottom of the opinion polls , i mean, something is polls, i mean, something is going very, very wrong for the tories. i kind of liken it to a lottery winner wins millions and then just away and he's now bankrupt and that's almost what they've done with that political now that doesn't that people have suddenly fallen in love labouri have suddenly fallen in love labour i don't think labour particularly inspiring people at the moment i think what people are doing is thinking that probably the best of a bad bunch almost similar to the situation had in australia recently with the general election where the labour party won but not labour party won it, but not particularly because they inspired people. but they thought they were least thought they were the least worst option. well i mean you just still two years to go. the mp was right. it's still two years and it's far as far years to go and it's far as far from over to that point. it's something i found interesting is i can see it in my inbox already

people are saying they won't vote the next one. they vote tory at the next one. they vote tory at the next one. they vote next one. vote labour at the next one. they the reform so they want the reform party. so that's i've got in my that's what i've got in my inbox already. have of these already. you have all of these different polls that come out saying the reform party is making polls, making these strides. the polls, whatever pie actually whatever reform pie actually run in they've got in the by—election. they've got 773 votes. what do you think to that with due respect to your audience , i love this channel. audience, i love this channel. it's a reflection of the people who choose to watch tv news . who choose to watch tv news. reform is significantly higher in the inbox that you get in messages that you get than it is in votes. it's a particular perspective on politics today and a rejection of the mainstream indeed rejection of the mainstream is part of why this came into existence so there is there is that but i think too that people say i'm not to vote x, y or z and then do people lie to pollsters all the time? and one of the reasons i that's one of the reasons i disregard opinion and take actual elections seriously. that's why focus on the result that's why i focus on the result of the by even a by—election i take as a much more serious barometer. with 60% of barometer. even with 60% of voters turning out , i take

voters not turning out, i take it, a more barometer it, as a more serious barometer than opinion. but your numbers were, based on the prospect of there a general election tomorrow and, it is no state secret to say there ain't to be a general election tomorrow because. be very bad because. it would be very bad for conservative party. for the conservative party. i think and recipe the reason think and the recipe the reason i you a question how i asked you a question about how is tory party doing and the is the tory party doing and the reason i have hope for my reason that i have hope for my party is get the economy back on track the plain agenda of track is the plain agenda of sunak government know if you sunak government and know if you look at pound is you look at look at the pound is you look at where are, where gilts are, where employment of the employment is, some of the fundamentals not actually fundamentals are not actually bad and inflation we set bad in this and inflation we set middle mid—pack in europe it's not like everything is terrible . get the economy back on track , deliver some tax cuts which has to be at the heart of a conservative and then for the best with the electorate. i mean i after all i understand the need now being spent all that we spent during covid the higher government spending . but there's government spending. but there's no you can't go the no you can't go to the electorate that basis. you electorate that place basis. you can't the electorate a can't go to the electorate on a center—left level states as a center—left level of states as a

tory it doesn't work. neil tory party it doesn't work. neil kinnock always said the general elections a one in years. they're not one in weeks and months and that if i had a direct of keir starmer that's exactly the advice i would be given. look yes the were in a really bad place at the moment but hey it's still two years to a general election and he's from clear to my mind that in two years time we're going to be exactly the place. i mean, let's not forget that foot, not forget that michael foot, who's now as one the most who's now as one of the most unpopular labour leaders of all time, was miles in front. margaret thatcher in the opinion polls something then polls in something 1992 and then got the following year got smashed the following year so know polls matter but so you know polls matter but they're not the be all and end all we shouldn't get too carried away well i go are you away them. well i go are you someone that carried away someone that gets carried away someone that you carried away someone that gets carried away someone that you pinch d away someone that gets carried away someone that you pinch of|way someone that gets carried away someone that you pinch of salt with polls are you pinch of salt kind of person like what we've got the way got here. and by the way i always obsess about polls. have you ever been polled your life honestly, never been honestly, genuinely? never been polled neither polled for anything? neither have i always have. have ever. and i always have. you know, i can't . i have you know, i can't. i have actually. i've never been poll like for anything i want i'll

just say anything since . i don't just say anything since. i don't think i've been polled for anything. that's not sensible ehhen anything. that's not sensible either. quite it's all a big ruse. you think these don't really exist? i don't think so , really exist? i don't think so, no, because i mean, we've just done our own people's, haven't we? that's when i was. that's the one i was reflecting there. but i just i have a being polled getting touch to tell me if you have intrigued also are you have i'm intrigued also are you in the way and are in chester by the way and are you someone that vote if you someone that didn't vote if you someone that didn't vote if you tell me why also you are tell me why i'm also intrigued by going to take a quick break. when we come back, lots you in my inbox already lots of you in my inbox already about one what am i talking about one what am i talking about coordinated strikes. goodness gracious me. oh where do you stand on this? we're seeing coordination in the health service now. we're seeing coordination in the transport service . is this all going service. is this all going a little too far or is this the unions just doing exact what they supposed to do, which is get the best deal for the members? tell me, do you support this not i'll see you in a

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hello there . welcome back to hello there. welcome back to dewbs & co. with me, michelle dewbs& co. with me, michelle dewberry keeping you company right through 7:00 tonight. and alongside me, i've got the political alex dean and the trade unionist and fireman embery. good evening, gents you guys have been getting in touch. ihave guys have been getting in touch. i have to say, most . you saying i have to say, most. you saying that you do think will be the end of tories at the next election . but as we've all just election. but as we've all just been saying , things changed. been saying, things changed. they got the best part of two years there or thereabouts and we've got one. so let's see we 90, we've got one. so let's see we go, shall we? mark, you've just said starmer's labour party could be the only option on my ballot and i still wouldn't vote them. why? what have they done turned you off that much? what

would you rather have? they're nothing over the labour party . nothing over the labour party. me? your thoughts on that? let's straight, shall we? we know what's going on by now. we pretty much everyone everywhere seems to be going on strike. we've discussed it often. let's not let's not go back round houses. what to be happening now? there is an element coordination that wasn't yet there before you've got it in there before you've got it in the health service for example , the health service for example, on the 20th of december. now planned perhaps that you've got your your ambulance staff, your nurses etc. coming together . nurses etc. coming together. road workers and rail workers , road workers and rail workers, they going to coordinate their their strikes to. i'm going to start with you, paul , on their strikes to. i'm going to start with you, paul, on this and i'm going lay my cards on the table . i think it's a the table. i think it's a disgrace . i think that unions disgrace. i think that unions almost as a manipulative i think that they are trying to hold your average joe to ransom. you're trying to hold the

hostage and think it's inappropriate. i worry that people's lives are going be impacted. their health certainly lifestyles will be impacted, but people's health. what do you say to that ? well, i can see you're to that? well, i can see you're in two minds on this one, michelle. definitely. no, i could i could go on a bit hard about work because i like well, i would say, look, these things don't come out of a clear blue sky today. it that sky today. why is it that millions of workers across the country have suddenly stood up and actually, on is and said, actually, what's on is not we're going to not acceptable, we're going to back against because back against it because they know not no, it's know they can. it's not no, it's not simplistic. with all not that simplistic. with all due respect. it's because we're a living crisis and a cost of living crisis and people are struggling to make ends are being ends meet and. people are being told again have pay told once again that have to pay the an economic crisis the price for an economic crisis they not create . they told they did not create. they told they did not create. they told the same thing in 2008, by the way, with the global financial crisis, had pay the crisis, they had to pay the price that through austerity price of that through austerity . now being as . they're now being told as a result cost of living result of the cost of living crisis, they've pay the crisis, they've got to pay the price that. they're being price of that. they're being sold. to real terms sold. they have to real terms pay sold. they have to real terms pay after, years of pay cuts after, 14 years of appalling increases , you appalling pay increases, you know, paltry pay increases.

know, very paltry pay increases. and the idea that workers have suddenly woken up one morning and said, actually, we're just going trouble today. going to create trouble today. that's how works. you that's not how it works. you know, are struggling to know, people are struggling to pay know, people are struggling to pay are pay mortgages. people are worried heating their worried about heating their homes. people are worried about christmas their christmas presents for their children after you know children and when after you know that the last 14 years of the previous economic crisis approached again by their employers and by the government itself, then actually got to tighten your belts, even further. at some point, people , further. at some point, people, enoughis further. at some point, people, enough is enough. but some people say at some point people say, i'm not prepared, say, look, i'm not prepared, accept this anymore. you're coming must coming to me again saying i must accept real terms pay. why accept a real terms pay. why should it? and at the should i accept it? and at the same michel, i would also same time, michel, i would also point they see the point out that they see the bonuses are increasing quite handsomely executive pay is going quite handsomely. some of our big corporations are with the fish because of a private banker will say, you got to go to the hall because it goes to the heart. an economy that is fundamentally unfair when executive pay is going up quite

handsomely , city bonuses are handsomely, city bonuses are going up quite well. tax payers don't pay. taxpayers don't . your don't pay. taxpayers don't. your private sector's ceos? i don't think i don't think can say well, because taxpayers pay the wages of public sector workers they should have kind of less of a right strike or they're somehow made more what they're doing more morally unacceptable any than any private sector worker. we've got some of our corporations which have record in record profits at the moment. we've got a government that thinks it's appropriate to lift the cap on bankers bonuses. it is an economy that's unfair and people it and they feel it and thatis people it and they feel it and that is they've decided to say at long last, this not acceptable. we're going to fight back. we think you can do it. you suggested michelle's question , is simplistic question was, it is simplistic to just say the economy is unfair because somebody gets x and i want or i don't get enough of the people in the private sector . you're criticising for sector. you're criticising for receiving high are not only not the nhs which would be the right

comparison if point most nhs senior executive are getting massive bonuses and frontline staff aren't there . i would staff aren't there. i would really think you had a strong point, but that wasn't your argument. your was that bankers are getting paid more. that was one example thing about the people. private people. let's take the private sector se. it's people in sector per se. it's people in the private sector who pay taxes that to pay for those that then go to on pay for those bonuses as r&d tax. those people receiving more money, i mean, as far as yeah. and we also attract people here innovate people who here and innovate here by lifting the bankers bonus cap . and as rightly bonus cap. and as rightly pointed out by michel, the bankers bonuses are taxed to a very high level, much more than you will keep that we're talking about point about. so i don't really and shouldn't alex be a race bottom it shouldn't race to the bottom it shouldn't be counts opposing what people in the public sector and are in the public sector get and are also with the people you took office you just you you took us. no, i'm saying there are some people at the top of society who are doing very handsomely. there were people did very were some people who did very nicely out of pandemic. and nicely out of the pandemic. and the people name those people to the people name those people to the end of the scale, see

the other end of the scale, see that and they think, hold on a second, this is not and second, this is not fair. and why is this you know, is why is it this you know, this is a question like answered. a question i'd like answered. why that when to why is it that when comes to ordinary workers on ordinary workers going on strike, unions going on strike, trade unions going on strike, trade unions going on strike, people are quick enough to holding to say you're holding the country i'm country to ransom. no i'm talking about the coordination of these that's not so. of these strikes. that's not so. why that? when multinational why that? when a multinational company or some chief executive of some big puts pressure on governments and says, look, unless you give us a low tax regime, a low regulation regime, as lots of multinational companies do nowadays, we can run up sticks and move our operations abroad and governments give way to them the whole because they don't whole time because they don't want capital the want to see capital lose the investment. why that not investment. why is that not holding country to what we holding the country to what we told british you have told you, the british you have you twice we don't indulge you have twice we don't indulge people on the other of the scale because to a go at because you want to have a go at wealthy people . twice ducked wealthy people. twice ducked the point making which is that point i was making which is that people in the banking example that you chose others when that you chose and others when they it means a level of they do well it means a level of income for the state and in the

end your politics of envy you encourage is very reductive . and encourage is very reductive. and why you say, well, why do people think different, why can't think it's different, why can't we position on we take a different position on workers forth? but is workers and so forth? but is most this country , nhs most people in this country, nhs workers included, see workers and others included, see 7 workers and others included, see ? you what, paul? you ? and you know what, paul? you see to and you wilfully avoid see it to and you wilfully avoid that also because you don't know. don't have an know. i think you don't have an answer or it's easy to have a go at people. it's not the at wealthy people. it's not the case. it's a what about your politics of envy when you at trade are taking trade unionists who are taking strike who had to strike action, who have had to bear the of economic bear the brunt of economic crisis over the last 14 years, whose wages have whose whose wages have fallen, whose living have crashed, living standards have crashed, whose going up, whose mortgages are going up, are make ends meet are struggling to make ends meet and. actually, you're and. you say, actually, you're not that we're going not worth that we're not going to guys. it's not a form to pay you guys. it's not a form like politics of envy because you cleaners and you think that cleaners and brown and firefighters brown workers and firefighters doctors perhaps don't doctors and nurses perhaps don't deserve point pull deserve that sort of point pull you i think quite clearly what your back you simply put words in my mouth didn't get chance in my mouth didn't get a chance to about this strike yet. to speak about this strike yet. you just had a chat with michelle. i'm drawing attention to pressed on on this

to the same pressed on on this topic. that they topic. let them go that they should negotiating. topic. let them go that they should a negotiating. topic. let them go that they should apatientzgotiating. topic. let them go that they should a patient outcomes after all a patient outcomes will be significantly affected by a strike of this scale on this coordinated level after if there was no effects on patients you'd wonder why people employed in these jobs were doing them . in these jobs were doing them. and they must inevitably , and they must inevitably, unnecessarily be a significant and detrimental effect to patients and seems to me the right thing to do is to carry on negotiating. after all, there was an on the table. it may not have exactly what people have been exactly what people wanted, the right thing to wanted, but the right thing to do is carry negotiating rather than walking in. reality than walking in. the reality is, alex one way alex and you know, the one way of exerting pressure an of exerting pressure on an employer on government to employer or on a government to increase an offer is to say, look with that about it, look with that angry about it, we're going to ballot for we're going to run a ballot for industrial action and would take industrial action and would take industrial if get a yes industrial action if get a yes vote, as many have now. vote, as many unions have now. and that's allowed times i they shouldn't. right. that shouldn't. right. but that sometimes often force sometimes quite often will force the employer or the government to come back the table and to come back to the table and say we want avert say of we want to avert a strike. therefore we're going to increase the money the table. increase the money on the table. i mean, considering we've seen

in of economy over the in terms of the economy over the last 14 years and austerity , last 14 years and austerity, sluggish growth and the impact on people's disposable income and livingston and stuff is quite remarkable. we had more strikes before. now it's remarkable that we've had to wait this before. actually something's to break out. your arguments about right to strike are, of course, correct. people entitled withdraw their entitled to withdraw their laboun entitled to withdraw their labour. should be labour. nobody should be compelled by the states or others to work. but there are of course, consequent potentially to withdrawing your labour. and certainly there are consequences to withdrawing your labour outside regulated strike, outside of regulated strike, which not what we're talking which is not what we're talking about not arguing about here. but i'm not arguing people be able strike or even people be able to strike or even coordinate a strike with i find it unattractive when they do this christmas, try this thing over christmas, try and as hard as i don't and make it as hard as i don't think is unattractive. i think it's appalling and shameful. all right. well, you right. well, would you all choose my yeah, i'd do choose my words? yeah, i'd do it, not that they it, but i'm not that they shouldn't i'm shouldn't be allowed to. i'm arguing that shouldn't . and arguing that they shouldn't. and you will realise, think quite quickly sympathy can quickly that public sympathy can go of two directions. you go one of two directions. you are assuming public

are assuming that the public will universally, because the respect we hold doing these work, kinds jobs and will work, these kinds jobs and will be on their side and broadly speaking right now it probably is actually my if take is actually to my mind if take your labour out hospitals for this length of time over christmas, see how opinions . christmas, see how opinions. alex let me let me tell you i'm a i've been a firefighter for 25 years. i've been on strike before, stood on picket lines of withdrawn my life is an agonising always agonising decision people always wrestle conscience is wrestle with their conscience is i all of my colleagues did i did all of my colleagues did i've that nurses will i've no doubt that nurses will be the moment other public be doing the moment other public sector workers be doing at the moment. comes point moment. but there comes point where you have to accept people have valid case. and if have got a valid case. and if you okay we that you say okay we accept that you've valid. but you know you've got a valid. but you know what, going to you what, we're not going to you that of strike action that weapon of strike action because we think it's morally wrong and effectively you're saying what's saying to people just what's wrong boys girls wrong with you? boys and girls take you it take thrown at you because it would wrong to fight back and would be wrong to fight back and take industrial . would be wrong to fight back and take industrial. but take any sort of industrial. but that's logic what you're that's the logic of what you're saying. do you saying. do you know, do you recognise i because i have to go to break. so this is very

question i've got. do you recognise there were a lot of packs, the packs, for example, being in the pubuc packs, for example, being in the public so keep public sector? so you keep referencing the comparison between and between the private sector and the sector. if i just the public sector. if i just think example about think for example just about your employer contributions towards pensions for example, you're upwards of 20, you're talking upwards of 20, often in the public sector in the private sector, i can quote you a number of businesses where your employer is a 3. and i think they look. i mean, i certainly don't want to focus just on the public sector mean there have been some strikes in there have been some strikes in the private sector recently and i there will be more i think some of the pay and conditions in the private sector are appalling but i go back to the point i made to alex michaud. it shouldn't be race to the shouldn't be a race to the bottom. be about saying, bottom. it be about saying, actually, pay and actually, we want decent pay and conditions everybody. conditions for everybody. if means elements means levelling up elements of the sector to the public the private sector to the public sector, then so be you. go everyone home. you've everyone at home. you've a mixture of views. what's yours? why stand on it all? get why do you stand on it all? get in was talking about is in touch. i was talking about is there still of public? there still a level of public? certainly there has been. it certainly there has been. is it still particularly in the

still there particularly in the face of this coordination ? what face of this coordination? what i'm asking and pondering tonight's getting such views that gb news dot uk is my email address going to take a very quick break. when i come back is it finally time for peace with russia. i would say , yes and it russia. i would say, yes and it has been around for a long time . am i wrong? where do you stand on it all? i'll see you in a couple of minutes .

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, keeping me company so seven. tonight's my panel the consultant alex steyn and trade unionist and fireman paul embery. you guys have been getting in touch. one question that seems to be coming a lot is what is the statement? i guess many people are saying that they feel that this all political of this striking is it paul ? no. i

this striking is it paul? no. i mean, i think that it's clearly complete rubbish . the idea that complete rubbish. the idea that these of workers who are to take industrial action are doing so because know they're driven by politics or want to bring the conservative government down. i mean, it's just nonsense . it mean, it's just nonsense. it doesn't bear any scrutiny. the reason that people are taking strike action , the level that strike action, the level that they are at the moment is simply because of the state the because of the state of the economy cost of crisis economy and the cost of crisis and the that they're being and the fact that they're being asked for that economic asked to pay for that economic crisis seems to me to be self—evident. i half agree. i don't this is like coal don't think this is like coal miners who obviously trying miners who are obviously trying to down heat then is to bring down heat and then is not at that level . and it's not not at that level. and it's not clear how long the thatcher destroyed the industry. alex thatcher. thatcher threw thousands of men on. do you your children to be down a coal mine on scrap heap? what would on the scrap heap? what would you people be working you like people to be working in? coal well, i would in? coal mine? well, i would rather a job in a mine rather they have a job in a mine than unemployed, many of than be unemployed, as many of work the social work with all of the social problems came about as problems that came about as a commonwealth. then given the labour closed pits labour party closed more pits in

the future, i'm not the conservative future, i'm not going to absolve. any case, going to absolve. in any case, the i was making was the point i was making there was clearly really united attempts in dislodge in the past to and dislodge a conservative government. and i'm agreeing but i think agreeing with paul, but i think that's mass attitude amongst that's the mass attitude amongst workers that are talking about striking. that striking. instead, i think that those seeking to strike are being poorly by union leaders who yes, i do think are coordinating in a way deliberately hostile to the government and the acid test for me. in your view view is do you think they should be paid the same if keir starmer was in number ten and broadly speaking don't him easier, don't like him much easier, right? were a cleaner right? if you were a cleaner working the railways just working on the railways just above wage and were above minimum wage and were struggling to make ends meet, struggling to make ends meet, struggling to make ends meet, struggling to feed your kids, struggling to feed your kids, struggling pay the mortgage struggling to pay the mortgage and was saying, and the government was saying, actually, you actually, we've got another, you know, five years of austerity or whatever it is telling whatever it is you're telling me, accept that and say me, you just accept that and say okay that's what the government is would that my is what i would hope that my union negotiate for union would would negotiate for me better than they me and rather better than they have. there comes point have. but there comes a point all end these are all in the end these are individual right the union decision you strike individually you recognise i've

you must recognise alex and i've been senior official in my been a senior official in my time. must recognise there time. you must recognise there comes point where there's comes a point where there's impasse and there's an impasse because employer is not prepared to meet the demand or , at least to meet the demand or, at least negotiate around that demand . negotiate around that demand. now at that point you have choice, don't you either say, okay, going go back work okay, i'm going go back to work and going to take everything and i'm going to take everything they i'm going they throw at me and i'm going to suffer of the dire economic consequences, what's going at consequences, what's going on at the or i'm going to stand the moment or i'm going to stand up i'm going to fight up and say i'm going to fight that. there circumstances that. are there no circumstances in say, you know in which would say, you know what, a point and what, they've got a point and i'm them? i conceded in the very beginning of this that one beginning of this that no one has to compel you to has a right to compel you to work and people have work and that people have a right strike. so you you're right to strike. so you you're setting up a man and then setting up a straw man and then vigorously it down. vigorously fighting it down. well, support right well, i know you support right to saying do you to strike. i'm saying do you support some of strikes support some of the strikes happening if happening in principle and if any you support at any the strikers you support at the moment of all the strikes that are raging, all that any of them support? no not them that you support? no not not because in the not least not because in the example that are discussing, example that we are discussing, whether in public whether it be in the public sector or the offers are sector or the private offers are on the and because of the union

action that seem to paper action that you seem to paper oven action that you seem to paper over, if not ignore , is being over, if not ignore, is being done deliberately . well, i have done deliberately. well, i have to say there is a mixed opinion in on my inbox on this, but i think that the balance this is not a scientific poll. i grant myself that, but i was actually the balance is with you. i would say that the majority is on your side . our viewers and listeners side. our viewers and listeners have always been very and discerning. well, yeah, what can say i think. yeah i do give a little bit of a that it's not a scientific poll but i say that lots of you getting in about that. but on the majority, i think it is on the side of paul and the unions keep your thoughts coming in. i do switch i want to switch my attention briefly, though . the situation briefly, though. the situation in ukraine. i'm asking this is it now to move forward with peace talks, negotiations russia says it's open to dialogue . says it's open to dialogue. biden as indicated that he might be open . that, too, of course, be open. that, too, of course, that russia put some demands in

place that not even happen. but anyway . alex yeah, russia . anyway. alex yeah, russia. they're willing to talk as long as we recognise that possession the territories in ukraine, they have stolen, annexed and then conducted sham polls . now we conducted sham polls. now we shouldn't be entertaining notion of negotiating with russia whilst it remains illegal possession of another sovereign countries territory. and i think that the temptation of course, is to weaken our stance as time goes by. is it the willingness to stand up to something has attrition comes to bear on willingness and then you get tired of it or you get frustrated by it. you just want things to be back to normal or you want you want to be able to trade with russia, say, but actually, no, we shouldn't and i really lament president biden's. i mean , he's done so well on i mean, he's done so well on this. whatever else thinks this. whatever else one thinks of have my in these i of him. and i have my in these i think the american on this has been tremendous to but the pernicious influence pernicious french influence of the state obviously come the state visits obviously come to i think it's very very

to bear. i think it's very very much americans much shame to see the americans talking negotiating with talking about negotiating with russia plainly the russians russia when plainly the russians only to so on a premise only want to do so on a premise none of us should accept. and the germans already talking about to get back, back about trying to get back, back to normal. real shame and to normal. it's a real shame and it's things in which it's one of the things in which we british people be we as british people could be very say, we've done very proud and say, we've done and labour party stood and the labour party stood foursquare to say our foursquare on this to say our parliament has us well and parliament has led us well and we supported in the we have supported in just the right way. no, we should not negotiating with russia. paul, i'm on i'm very i disagree on on biden's intervention in terms of alex's position. i mean, i disagree. i think it's overdue proposal , if disagree. i think it's overdue proposal, if anything. and i've been disappointed actually that considering the war has been raging now since nobody in any kind of senior position has the nettle and said, look, at some point we're going to try to have to bargain peace. and now if, as it turns out , the demand from it turns out, the demand from putin, unless you recognise the annexations, we're not going to talk if that is a showstopper , talk if that is a showstopper, of course all bets are off again and back to war, but it looks

like that is one way. and if i mean but let's not forget people are often quite bellicose going into talks , then when the talks into talks, then when the talks begin they can their positions somewhat . but it seems to begin they can their positions somewhat. but it seems to me that somebody at some point has got say , we've talk got to say, we've got to talk about this we've got try to about this and we've got try to reach a settlement that's not in any way to support what putin has mean, the invasion has done. i mean, the invasion was horrendous. no one would suggest. but it does mean that in many other conflicts internationally , we are internationally, we are asymmetric are fairly quick to ceasefires, quite in many cases to demand ceasefires to seek to see, for peace, to tell the two parties to stop each other, to get round the table. you look, you know, israel—palestine, we've done that quite often, but when it to this war, it's almost if that's something that we're not prepared to do. paul no no one would suggest you as supporting the russian position that very clear but that was that was very clear but underestimating vladimir putin's bellicosity is part of what's got into this problem passing got us into this problem passing words and saying, well, what he

really soviet really means when the soviet union's was greatest union's collapse was greatest tragedy of the century is tragedy of the 20th century is what really means when he what he really means when he says these this is part of greater russia is no, really greater russia is no, he really means and if you means what he says and if you say oh, well the bellicosity on saying these these territories are sovereign and russia now comes and told no i think we should stay with ukraine and get out of the last ditch or should i turn the around. how much of ukraine are you willing give ukraine are you willing to give up? i don't think i don't up? no, i don't think i don't think any of should be giving up money. point is , if there money. but my point is, if there is a window of opportunity for the two sides come together the two sides to come together and to try to negotiate a settlement based settlement which might be based on like the minsk on something like the minsk accords, which accords, for example, which on the one recognises the the one hand recognises the territory sovereignty of territory of sovereignty of ukraine, understands enough ukraine, but understands enough that of that some degree of self—determination for the ethnic in the east, ethnic russians in the east, then that's a goer, then then if that's a goer, then let's go for it. because the other the other alex, other the other problem, alex, we in this position two we could be in this position two or three years down the line and it becomes war of attrition and tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands more

people their lives. people have lost their lives. and there's going and it look like there's going to winner. are that to be a winner. are saying that even those circumstances we even in those circumstances we shouldn't bring about shouldn't seek to bring about a peaceful settlement if there is potentially an opportunity to . potentially an opportunity to. so russia is making nothing the kind of progress militarily that they plainly expected to make . they plainly expected to make. they invaded ukraine. yes in part with significant support from the west, which must, in my view, carry on. but ukraine itself has done a remarkable job of defending itself against this completely unacceptable war of aggression by and actually, if anything. paul it doesn't look like in the way that you are suggesting ukraine right now could win this conflict and we should do all we can to help them win it on the battlefield. well, i mean, that's so i think it is a war of attrition. i think know considering it began in february it doesn't look like any side is about well knockout blow it you say it began in february many people be february many people will be shown actually all shown the screens actually all of going on way before of this was going on way before february. i agree february was i agree escalation an abhorrent

escalation, of course. this escalation, of course. but this is on for many, is all been going on for many, many just to ask many years. i just want to ask you this on the strike thing. many people are asking me to ask you i'll shall do so back you this. i'll shall do so back to the strikes what do you think is an acceptable to receive as a pay is an acceptable to receive as a pay rise ? what just give me pay rise? what just give me a figure that you think i think you can give an overall figure for single sector and for every single sector and every union you never win every single union you never win this one. five firemen go on this one. and five firemen go on fire well so fire fire brigade. well okay so fire fighters example have been fighters for example have been offered 5. that comes nowhere near addressing cost of near to addressing the cost of living crisis . the current rate? living crisis. the current rate? yeah. me yeah. so what? give me a percent. i can't speak for every single firefighter. it's up to every city. must an opinion. every city. you must an opinion. ihave every city. you must an opinion. i have an opinion as a firefighter your opinion and well not going to pluck a well i'm not going to pluck a figure of the air but if the figure out of the air but if the employers the fire service employers the fire service employers put an offer the employers put an offer on the table. and i thought actually the circumstances that's reasonable. i would i'm reasonable. i would accept. i'm not get on the get put not going to get on the get put on the of a particular on the hook of a particular figure the moment. well, so figure at the moment. well, so these the these days i haven't seen the fire. didn't get an answer to fire. i didn't get an answer to that. just so, you know, the

average private sector pay rise has about and a bit has been about six and a bit percent. paul says 5% not percent. paul says 5% is not acceptable. of these, of acceptable. many of these, of course, for course, are asking for above inflation pay rises. they go let me know your thoughts on some of that. let's bring it back, though, shall we, to the uk again. matt hancock, he is back from is back in parliament for the first time since i'm a celeb . should he be. that's what i'm asking you tell me and i'll see in a couple of minutes.

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry. i'm keeping company right through till 7:00 tonight alongside the political console and alex dean and the trade unionists and fireman paul ember . some of your comments coming up in a minute, gary. . some of your comments coming up in a minute, gary . michelle, up in a minute, gary. michelle, every day i write emails to you and every day i'm ignored why?

oh, gary, it's not intentional, my friend. i get so many emails as i'm live on air so i have to try and listen and talk and think and read and talk at the same time the emails. so if i do miss you out, it's not intentional i can promise that. matt he back in matt hancock, he back in parliament after he's been doing all kinds of things. the australian jungle all kinds of things. the australianjungle course all kinds of things. the australian jungle course i'm australian jungle of course i'm referring to i'm a celebrity get me out of here is of course lost whip is should he be an mp still deani whip is should he be an mp still dean i in the end up to his constituents . i have an constituents. i have an unfashionable view from not living in his constituency. i have a perspective and my answer is yes. i think that he has been a mp for a long time. i thought he was going off. i should be. but unfortunately, perhaps he was minister. he didn't was a good minister. he didn't lose for performance lose role for performance related issues for other reasons and i did think when he went to do this tv that it was a really cunous do this tv that it was a really curious decision. but you know what? public opinion suggests i was wrong. he he's won people

around and so if i take all of those things together, as long as he gets the tory whip back the suite, i think he he's got a future in parliament and think he's got something to give as well. i was a good minister. i think that whilst he's been mocked for its association with this program, i think his position stuff dyslexia position on stuff like dyslexia is interesting . yes, is useful and interesting. yes, i he's got a political i think he's got a political future . well, i'm very future. well, i'm very i profoundly disagree. think it should seen as a huge honour should be seen as a huge honour to be sent to parliament to represent thousands people in represent thousands of people in a particular constituency . it a particular constituency. it should be a job that you take seriously it should be a job that you would never dream of thinking swan off for thinking can just swan off for several to the other side several weeks to the other side of and take part in of the world and take part in a reality tv show. and if you do, do and that suggests to me do that, and that suggests to me you're not taking the job of an mp as seriously as you ought to be. your leave. well be. and your annual leave. well i there's an argument to i mean, there's an argument to say it in your say if you're doing it in your own private time, then it's a bit. but obviously that doesn't apply bit. but obviously that doesn't apply and for i think apply here. and for me, i think he put his desire for public he is put his desire for public to see his desire for money over

the constituents. think the of his constituents. i think should the decent should have done the decent thing stood i think thing and stood down and i think there should a by—election there should be a by—election but clearly he's not going to do that because doesn't enough that because he doesn't enough about step about his constituents to step away. watch on the away. did you watch him on the show? i didn't watch a show? no, i didn't watch a minute of had no intention minute of it. i had no intention of watching the fact of watching it. the very fact that he was in there to begin turned me off of it. i was in camp, i have to say, and i decided to watch. i don't really watch of shows. not watch those kind of shows. not really kind of thing, but really my kind of thing, but i watched it obviously because the job do now. and was really job do now. and i was really surprised because i actually view when it went thought view when it went in, i thought it disgraceful that it was absolute disgraceful that it was absolute disgraceful that it the place. it was there in the first place. very insulting. the people very insulting. all the people that from covid and in that died from covid and in affected saw what was affected and then i saw what was many people would probably like. there stuff there was bullying and stuff towards then there towards them. so then there a little of won't say little part of me i won't say i felt for him, but the guys got grit. yeah and he was i don't want say let's put it this way if any of us through what's the go i he's excuse for go to i mean he's excuse for going there was you expect to going in there was you expect to see i think he decided that see and i think he decided that the economy was now stable. well that a joke wasn't and

that was a joke wasn't and things had stabilised the things had stabilised inside the country tory civil war country in the tory civil war was therefore with was over and therefore with things was right things being stable it was right to to would any of us to swan off to would any of us be able to go see our employer and you know, things are stable . you don't mind if i take . okay, you don't mind if i take six leave because i've got six weeks leave because i've got a zealand something? a new zealand or something? i mean, would the response, mean, what would the response, especially if you were representing people especially if you were repre expected people especially if you were repreexpected you people especially if you were repreexpected you to people especially if you were repreexpected you to be people especially if you were repreexpected you to be going ole who expected you to be going your workplace doing a job your workplace and doing a job for so do have that for them. so do you have that view second or it view about second jobs or is it just this kind of quote? i think i mean, i certainly don't think employees should be doing should be holding be should be holding directorships and like directorships and stuff like that, some jobs possibly as that, but some jobs possibly as long doesn't long as it doesn't impact on their but this did theirjob as an mp. but this did and while they go, let me know your thoughts. think matt hancock should be in parliament or not? do you even care about him anymore or his life. don't you tell me, simon says the man is an oxygen faith . i don't know is an oxygen faith. i don't know any other employer that allow you to be in your and doing this tracy said leave him alone. yes he should be allowed to go back

to his job. use it for the rest. everyone has. ian says no one no mp should be allowed to go on houday mp should be allowed to go on holiday when parliament is sitting. and you certainly be get paid when you're not working. there you go. look at the time. that is all i've got time for tonight. you very much for company. lots of love for your company. lots of love for your company. lots of love for enjoying for you, too. enjoying the debate many at debate tonight. many people at home been. thank you, paul. home have been. thank you, paul. alex, for company alex, thank you for your company for engaged comment. sorry for your engaged comment. sorry if i didn't get chance to read if i didn't get a chance to read out your email. have a wonderful weekend. but do not go anywhere out your email. have a wonderful we

areas be most likely to see showers. a few of them continuing through evening elsewhere. many places will be dry. quite a lot of cloud some mist and fog that's been thickening again across parts of wales and south england during the evening where we keep the clearer skies, saw some pockets frost possible, particularly northwest and southern northwest england and southern scotland. most of us will scotland. but most of us will start the weekend about three or four degrees should be a brighter day tomorrow compared to today , there'll still be a to today, there'll still be a lot of cloud in the east and we'll still have some of these showers coming in from the north a more in way of cloud, a bit more in the way of cloud, drizzly rain over the highlands and the western isles, mostly cloudy parts of northern cloudy across parts of northern ireland, sunny for ireland, some sunny for south—west wales south—west scotland's west wales temperatures seven, maybe temperatures six, seven, maybe eight celsius. but with that breeze going to feel colder than that and it's going to get colder as we head into sunday again, not to it's frost overnight , though, because overnight, though, because there'll be a lot of cloud around. will we keep some clear skies, temperatures dip down to freezing, but say generally

we'll temperatures freezing we'll keep temperatures freezing because there will be a of because there will be a lot of cloud into but there cloud into sunday. but there will also a of showers on will also be a lot of showers on sunday, particularly over northern england. southern scotland parts of scotland and southern parts of northern ireland. a few showers likely in the south, but places here just dry but fairly drab that easter the wind will probably be straight coming through the weekend. so that's going to make it feel particularly cold. sunday, temperatures five, six, seven degrees at best. feeling, though , a lot colder with that wind may get colder still next week week .

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