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also a consultant editor at the daily mail, andrew pearce . daily mail, andrew pearce. before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . good your latest news headlines. good afternoon, it's 4:00. i'm radisson , the gb newsroom radisson, the gb newsroom parents are being urged to look out for of strep a after six children under the age of ten died from the infection symptoms are usually mild but the uk health security agency is now investigating rise in severe cases. investigating rise in severe cases . experts say a lack of cases. experts say a lack of mixing during the covid 19 pandemic could be behind drop in immunity due pending term. a bacteriologist at the university , aberdeen says, spotting it early key because the disease is this severe manifestation disease is so relatively many doctor's words have seen the case and they may have that high index of suspicion. the good news is that treatment is

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barrel on friday. russian crude oil was trading at around $67 a barrel. however, a senior aide to ukraine's president says the price should be capped lower at around $30 to hit russia's economy harder . the immigration economy harder. the immigration minister defended the government's of migrants crossing the english after more than 44,000 reached british shores. this year. speaking to gb news, jenrick said that stopping crossings is a priority . he also admitted it could cost conservatives at the next election if numbers aren't reduced . mr. jenrick said uk and reduced. mr. jenrick said uk and authorities need to work together. the home secretary signed a deal just a few weeks ago which . is an improvement on ago which. is an improvement on the situation but it isn't the answer. it's certainly not a silver bullet. it mean that there will be more french officers . the beaches officers. the beaches intercepting , boats, but arrests intercepting, boats, but arrests are low and it doesn't seem to

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is today that's for sure. you're watching gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now, let's get back to nina . let's get back to nina. good afternoon . it is just gone good afternoon. it is just gone 6 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news tv online and on digital radio on nana akua . go where we radio on nana akua. go where we start. this woman ngozi fulani, which is her real name, by the way, is actually marlene headley. went to the police event, dressed like this. now, forget . where do you come from.7 forget. where do you come from.7 in africa . more like what planet in africa. more like what planet 7 in africa. more like what planet ? what in africa. more like what planet .7 what is going with her hair? oh, ? what is going with her hair? oh, it's . i've got some bad oh, it's. i've got some bad i wear on purpose, by the way, to get reaction. it's another level, apparently lady hussey are deleted of queensland lady in waiting for some 60 years

moved goes is hair out the way for a move so she could see a name badge which is clearly not a traditional british name which is what i suspect alongside the outfit sparked intrigue and this totally unverified exchange we don't even know whether it's true but let's go with it lady lady the lady said where are you from ? ms. fulani says, sister. from? ms. fulani says, sister. so where do come from? ms. fulani says were based in hackney. fulani says were based in hackney . no, no. what part ? hackney. no, no. what part? africa. do you come ? okay, so africa. do you come? okay, so there's a clue here because ms. fulani says, i don't know , they fulani says, i don't know, they didn't leave any records so that that's rude, right. that that is already rude . well, this lady already rude. well, this lady says, well, you must know where you're from . i spent time in you're from. i spent time in france . where are you from? not france. where are you from? not any houses , obviously. try and any houses, obviously. try and help her out. ms. fulani says uk no , but what nationality are you no, but what nationality are you so at this point? we haven't actually said she is british or not. just such as here in the

uk. it could mean she is uk. it could mean that she is hackney. this is ridic hackney. i mean this is ridic callous and somehow , somehow callous and somehow, somehow marlene, sorry . also has this marlene, sorry. also has this transcript of the conversation. did you record it now she's everywhere claiming racism . she everywhere claiming racism. she said the exchange left her feeling what she was a domestic abuse. feeling what she was a domestic abuse . come on. what i find more abuse. come on. what i find more traumatising is the way she made a meal out of answering a pretty question posed by 83 year old woman about her heritage , asking woman about her heritage, asking someone where they're from is possibly, possibly the most global ice breaker question even global ice breaker question ever. and nkosi told gb news this what sealed it for me is when she said, oh, i can see i'm going to have a challenge with you so that already shows me you're trying to get somewhere. and after me explaining for and then after me explaining for i know how many times, lady , i'm i know how many times, lady, i'm born here , i'm british, right born here, i'm british, right yeah, but where are your people from? my people. so don't forget the context domestic abuse. i'm

ianed the context domestic abuse. i'm invited here to talk about that this has gone on for five or 6 minutes to learn . and then she minutes to learn. and then she finishes when she's learned that my parents came here in the fifties as part of the windrush . she then said , aha, i knew . she then said, aha, i knew we'd get there in the end. so it was something she was that it's not acceptable . well yes she was not acceptable. well yes she was driving, she started at the beginning with where you're from and you just evaded it ages. it went for on 5 minutes. well that's what you're saying look, this is the same woman who accused camilla and charles of domestic violence meghan domestic violence, meghan in a tweet, which is a shocking, unproven claim, bit like claim unproven claim, a bit like claim about racism towards russian born child. in march 2021 and goes he sent this tweet our charity supports black women of violence survivors that stevie i can't stay silent about this i admire meghan for speaking out according to the claire it seems that meghan is a survivor of domestic violence from her

in—laws. pearce on that hypocrite pearce left . so this hypocrite pearce left. so this is someone who already has an agenda which is somehow ignored. listen to them on the establishment idea. i mean, i'd be asking who invited you? how did you memorise a conversation. what about the tweet and what about your association to black lives matter? it was like oprah all over again. so prince of wales, prince william made a statement saying he's inviting you to the palace, discuss all elements of your experience. will you take that invitation and go herself? described it as violation, didn't she? that left her feeling stone. so how did it leave you feeling listening to it ? yeah. where is your due it? yeah. where is your due diligence on this woman? for goodness sake, are you blinded the race card? you can't even ask questions. like for just asking her about her own backstory. look i'll go see if you're going go out like that. dressed in traditional attire and can't answer a simple questions like where are you from? and choose to go around

the houses then don't be surprised if the conversation just also the flaming question. a question that she's clearly comfortable answering because on a biog she gives the game away in the first few lines and she's more than happy to ask it to those come to her charity because have to be of african or heritage before she'll help you now in telegraph it was reported it says that if she said if invite people to an event against domestic abuse and there are people from different demographics i don't see the relevance of whether i'm british or not british. well that is actually a good nkosi. why should it matter? but your charity seems to think it does. it will help african and canbbean. it will help african and caribbean . that to me in itself caribbean. that to me in itself is slightly racist. that is what it says. this is what it says on the charity's facebook page , the charity's facebook page, this space is a safe venue dedicated to african and canbbean dedicated to african and caribbean victims stroke

survivors of domestic and sexual abuse and is staffed and managed by volunteers . can you abuse and is staffed and managed by volunteers. can you imagine if ? the charity said only white if? the charity said only white people ? i bet she'd be the first people? i bet she'd be the first to complain. let me say i go to the charity her charity. they ask me i'm from i say newcastle they ask me again i say from gb news then they ask me no what part of africa i they didn't keep a record . i'm guessing at keep a record. i'm guessing at point she'll tell me to clear off. i wonder how many traumatised women she's turned away. you don't meet her criteria, frankly , i'm criteria, frankly, i'm embarrassed about this woman . embarrassed about this woman. she's affiliated with the black lives matter . a she's affiliated with the black lives matter. a bunch of fraudsters who played on white guilt to , extort money from the guilt to, extort money from the generous, trusting nature of most people. the majority whom are not racist and my view manipulating a conversation to suit their own ends at the expense of an older woman ngozi

fulani is complete and utter hypocrite . so we get stuck into hypocrite. so we get stuck into the debate. here's what else is coming up today in the great british debate this i'm asking is it ethical for charity to discriminate against race in the wake of the race riots that erupted at buckingham between the the charity sister the ceo of the charity sister space ngozi fulani and the queen's lady in waiting suzanne hussey , questions have arisen hussey, questions have arisen whether fulanis charity is discriminatory as it specifically focuses on helping female african and caribbean victims of domestic violence. so is this fair . 454 around that is this fair. 454 around that time i'll be joined by royal biographer angela levin and, body language expert cassius and roxas to give us the latest the duke , duchess and sussex have duke, duchess and sussex have released trailer of their up and coming netflix , which is called coming netflix, which is called quite the stir behind palace walls. this all comes as prince william and kate have travelled to the states for a number of

official engagements , then official engagements, then a 5:00 stay with the is difficult conversation is according to new figures published the warwick business school instances of domestic abuse increased by 47% when england win world cup games. so i'll be joined by model and television personality daniel lloyd, who suffered at the hands of an abuser. so we're talking about her own experience and she overcame the trauma and how she overcame the trauma to women in same to now inspire women in the same situation . with me, that's all situation. with me, that's all in the in the next hour. as in the way in the next hour. as even in the way in the next hour. as ever, tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. you can email me to gbviews@gbnews.uk tweet at gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news news . gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news news. so gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news news . so let's get gb news news. so let's get started, guys. welcome again to my panel. broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also consultant editor at the daily mail, andrew pesce. right well welcome both. nice to see . nice welcome both. nice to see. nice to see you. we may get chance to see this fabulous piece that you're me but you're wearing me to half but we've got to start late show them later . oh we've got to start late show them later. oh fab. no andrew ,

them later. oh fab. no andrew, honest, start with you because you you spoke to emotion . i did you you spoke to emotion. i did with regard to this on gb news she's a race activist and she said if the if the woman lady hussey was speaking to be what she said it's racist and it's racist that's her take so it's the same thing i said it i could say as a gay man if somebody called me a puff. say as a gay man if somebody called me a puff . that's say as a gay man if somebody called me a puff. that's a hate crime. it's not a hate crime for someone good enough. but if i said it was , it has to. she's said it was, it has to. she's using the same criteria and she thinks susan hussey was racist . thinks susan hussey was racist. susan hussey we now know in some of the papers state is hard of heanng of the papers state is hard of hearing she's three right that this woman dressed in a as you pointed out and that very powerful really powerful at the beginning she was in traditional costume so she wants to know where these traditional costume comes from does it come from the canbbean comes from does it come from the caribbean ? does it come from caribbean? does it come from africa? if, say, what part of

africa. and this and i think the whole has a whiff of a up you know and now you point out that she's hard of hearing. yeah you would oldest would think the oldest journalists went out there questioning and went over to go and found out how she feels about all of this, how you feel happened. think the happened. i think even the witnesses, feel, having witnesses, how you feel, having observed you observed what happened, you think have think that they would have perhaps a little bit perhaps found out a little bit more i'll say one other thing more. i'll say one other thing about lady hussey. she a about lady hussey. she was a lady. job was in waiting, lady. her job was in waiting, which she for 60 years which she did for 60 years without behind the scenes, without pay behind the scenes, she walk she would she would walk she would accompany the queen. and if there was a crowd, she would mingle and mingle with the crowd and find people talk to people for the queen to talk to find little bit about find out a little bit about them, was good them, because she was very good with people. so if she was a racist, wouldn't that have come out? at once before out? well, at least once before the 62 years she was by her majesty. exactly and for for majesty. exactly and for me, for lady hussey think the palace, the throne room to bus , 2 the throne room to the bus, 2 hours they saw onto the bus. and i think it's knee jerk from i think it's a knee jerk from these are racist claims from meghan , to be honest. and meghan markle, to be honest. and they panicked and it was a knee jerk reaction it was wrong

jerk reaction and it was wrong thing to do. after dec of loyalty our late and the loyalty to our late and the country. don't forget william and kate were in the united states. they knew that that meghan and her people would on anything to attack the royal family . of course, they then family. of course, they then launched exactly . all designed launched exactly. all designed to overshadow and as queen nana said in your wonderful monologue , very strong about her previous tweets i mean, they disgusting the royal family she's an anti royal is she is subject sick. meghan said to me i just tell you something, i am actually a victim of domestic violence . so victim of domestic violence. so if i went to her charity sister space, she would have turned me away because i am white. only will help you if . you're african will help you if. you're african and caribbean descent, so is that right? isn't that in itself? no, it takes him back to many years ago. i lived in the east end and there was a pakistani family just a few doors along and the husband regularly beat the wife . i saw regularly beat the wife. i saw

it. i broke it up. sometimes in the street. i said, go to the at the street. i said, go to the at the end of the street said, i've been there, but i'm pakistani they won't help me. you have to be standards ordinary be african standards to ordinary . well, listen, we did a protest ngozi fulani for comments and she didn't get back to us, but she has said this. she didn't get back to us, but she has said this . i told her she has said this. i told her i was born here , told her i was was born here, told her i was british. i wasn't. it just british. iwasn't. it just wasn't enough . how many times wasn't enough. how many times can i answer the about being british? she was relentless. people don't understand it because weren't there. but i thought if you're going to ask me a question asked me a question domestic abuse and the question domestic abuse and the question my organisation the question my organisation the question about my charity but your charity would ask that very question know with me i'm not on gb news my life on tv, online and on radio. after the break , and on radio. after the break, it's and on radio. after the break, wsfime and on radio. after the break, it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is it ethical for charity to discriminate against race? and that's following a rape trial that erupted in buckingham of buckingham between the ceo of charity sisters face ngozi fulani and the queen's lady in

waiting, suzanne hussey. questions arisen over questions have arisen over whether her charity's discriminatory specifically focuses on helping female of african and caribbean descent. so is this fair some of your thoughts emailed gbviews@gbnews.uk tell as ever what you think you can tweet and there is a poll up right now asking is it ethical for charities to discriminate against race ? cast your vote against race? cast your vote now. i'll back in.

in good afternoon. if you just tuned in, when have you paid, you've missed my monologue. but it online for you to it will be online for you to have look it you can have a look at it and you can tell me what you think. i'm not quite is a gb news. we are the people's channel. live people's channel. we are live now. the i was now. before the break i was discussing let's see discussing race row. let's see what been saying. this what you've been saying. this as well none this so—called well said none of this so—called racism . ian says the

racism nonsense. ian says the whole royal racism has the stench of a set up to me. isabel says your monologue was spot on you breath of fresh to air you are a breath of fresh to air rambo brilliant monologue let's just hope she was watching. i think she was. and they'll be others who totally disagree with me. we also hear your me. we also want to hear your thoughts, too, but it's now time for the great british debate i'm asking, ethical for asking, is it ethical for charities discriminate using race in light of the old ngozi fulani any saga where the race row erupted at buckingham palace resulting in the queen's lady in waiting, suzanne sitting, forced to remark , to quit over her remark, questions are now being asked about whether fulanis charity sisters on the grounds of sisters faces on the grounds of race . this comes as the charity race. this comes as the charity aims to support black and african caribbean women who suffer with form from forms of domestic violence through the apparent removal of cultural barriers and passes. ensure the victims are given equal support . now this has prompted questions as to whether this is discriminatory as it excludes other groups such as white, asian and mixed race victims . so asian and mixed race victims. so for the great british debate

this i am asking is it ethical for charities to discriminate in this manner? me now , this manner? joining me now, political commentators, matthew strachan got also strachan and i've got also susanna evans, former brexit mep and belinda de lucy as a and reality star and doubt . right reality star and doubt. right i'm going to start with you matthew. okay matt. so what is your view on this? this thing? is it discrimination? should charities allowed to do this? well, firstly, i think nkosi fulani puts it much better than i could. she's the person who's experienced this and. i feel very sorry for her having gone through that. do i feel sorry for someone who put her through that because she's an 83 year old? no you've been around old? no if you've been around for 83 or 83 years and if you've been at the heart of the royal household for 62 years, then you should as far household for 62 years, then you sh

come from certain backgrounds, you might be less likely to go and get the support you need . and get the support you need. that's okay. we're talking about people the victims, people who've been the victims, women of women who've been the victims of violence been of violence have been victims of sexual violence . if you come sexual violence. if you come from certain background, from a certain background, you may be less likely go and get may be less likely to go and get the support you need unless special sensitivities the support you need unless spe catered sensitivities the support you need unless spe catered for. sensitivities the support you need unless spe catered for. and;itivities the support you need unless spe catered for. and aivities the support you need unless spe catered for. and a second. are catered for. and a second. and a second. and point. this is important because some black and people , african or caribbean people, african or caribbean heritage , may be more reluctant heritage, may be more reluctant to forward to the authorities to the police because of in relationships historically and contemporarily that we know of between the police and those communities . so what she seems communities. so what she seems to be doing the fulani is helping vulnerable women who otherwise might not get the help need. so i think she's got a lot of good in the world. let's go to belinda. belinda, plenty. lucy, do you think ? i would lucy, what do you think? i would say territory to say it's dangerous territory to reject women from domestic violence based on how much melatonin they have in their skin because . of course, you can

skin because. of course, you can be white and born in parts of africa and brought up the culture. you can be white and born in the caribbean and have heritage , you know, related to heritage, you know, related to the caribbean still be white or mixed race of a excluded or include that. i think when you're talking about colour of skin, it's very divisive . and skin, it's very divisive. and also you have to look at it another way. if i was to set up another way. if i was to set up a charity in for white or women from english heritage, whatever that means these and it exclu any black women who believe they were just as english as i was just based on the fact that know they didn't share the same heritage over hundreds of years . it's not right. we can't go on the basis colour. i understand cultural reasons. there are great charities out there like halo which focus on women who suffer from forced marriages and from honorary crimes. this is a cultural thing and by that very definition , you know, people definition, you know, people like me would be excluded , can like me would be excluded, can understand it for cultural, but but not necessarily on on how

dark or light your your skin colour is during . you shaking colour is during. you shaking your head? yes sorry. and i think it's very way of deflecting from what actually goes he went through. so now you're trying flip it on its head and say, well, her charity is racist , it's not racist. head and say, well, her charity is racist, it's not racist. i'm indian narrow about several indian narrow about several indian domestic violence charities and they're focussed on just indian women. i've been involved in them because we have cultural differences. belinda it's got nothing to do with colour skin you've made about code of skin. it's about your, it's religion , it's it's about your religion, it's about culture. if i went to about your culture. if i went to about your culture. if i went to a white charity for domestic funds, i'm sure they'd help us. |, funds, i'm sure they'd help us. i, of i, i'm told the saheli groups of the indian domestic violence groups a woman who groups would help a woman who was white well. they would was white as well. they would divest right place. divest them in the right place. but for me as an indian but as for me as an indian woman, i would need and it's vital i only went to an vital that i only went to an indian taj group because . they indian taj group because. they understand clout. they understand my clout. they understand my clout. they understand they understand my religion. they understand my religion. they understand all the other complicated things that come from so it's not racist or from that. so it's not racist or nothing to do with skin colour.

beunda nothing to do with skin colour. belinda okay, you've made it about well, let you about that. well, i'll let you respond that direct culture respond to that direct culture so , okay, let's get to suzanne. so, okay, let's get to suzanne. suzanne evans hello . yes, sir. i suzanne evans hello. yes, sir. i think that we've got two issues here, haven't we? we've got what happened with regards to lady hussey, which i think was absolutely dreadful. there's no way , woman, given the way that, woman, given the service that she's to this country, should have been drummed she was. i drummed in the way she was. i think a of somebody think this a case of somebody taking offence far too quickly when no offence was taken and unfortunately that's unfortunately i think that's something we're seeing smartly, frequently but in frequently in society. but in terms whether should direct terms of whether should direct themselves towards a particular group of people, i have absolutely issue with that whatsoever. i find as a charity myself, it's called libertine uk. it's a patient health charity to do the condition of lipoedema, which almost exclusively affects women . so exclusively affects women. so are we supposed to direct our efforts towards men as well that would be really quite difficult. now difference is, of course, is that if a man come to us and

they're all very extreme minority cases where a man can have this condition , then of have this condition, then of course, we would point him the right direction and help him . right direction and help him. but i the point is your but i think the point is your charitable objectives. you have to certain charitable to have certain charitable objectives that have be objectives that have to be accept by the charity commission and sister's face have gone through all those checks and balances enable to do to enable them to what they do and you them to do what they do and you know it's very difficult to have a charity that is so broad that you encapsulate everybody and everything and certainly accept what some of your other commentators have already said about need for cultural awareness some i remember awareness in some i remember years ago coming across the work of, for instance , nice all black of, for instance, nice all black sisters who did a huge amount in this area for black and ethnic women in terms domestic violence and you know , they do a great and you know, they do a great job. can i just get you to say something? why have people come to you in sympathy for something and say, well , okay, well, come and say, well, okay, well, come to me at and i'll come to to me at first and i'll come to you. you were shaking you. but matt, you were shaking your suzanne talked your head when suzanne talked about to lady

about what happened to lady hussey saying she said it was terrible . are shaking terrible. why are you shaking your yeah, had your head? yeah, i've had i mean, i agree with quite a bit of what's been said by some of the but we've heard the contribute but we've heard it in space of 5 minutes it in the space of 5 minutes someone whoa , setting up someone saying, whoa, setting up a charity for , black people or a charity for, black people or people from , african heritage people from, african heritage backgrounds is somehow equivalent to setting up a charity exclusive white people in a white majority . well, in a white majority. well, whenever we live , a white whenever we live, a white majority, caucasian race, race, you know, it's not a relevant racism . it is targeted and it's racism. it is targeted and it's around asian people, not against white 99. i'm going to have to say that's the truth. i'm going to have to say now i actually think that in this instance, in particular violence is particular domestic violence is something crosses barriers something that crosses barriers anyway doesn't matter anyway. it doesn't matter whether white, green, whether you're white, green, pink, play sports. pink, purple. we play sports. it's irrelevant actually it's irrelevant and i actually think when start moving think that when you start moving away this so only black away from all this so only black people i have say people because i have to say that it just white that if it said just white people that wouldn't be relevant that quickly and then to belinda , i don't know why you think

this is. they're not saying just black people. that they black people. i'm sure that they are the same thing. and if it's just people , if you know just white people, if you know you're a majority , doesn't you're a majority, doesn't matter now. it does exclude charities of vital people in that. belinda come in on the day because it doesn't have i live i live next to lady hussey for three years we were very close neighbours . three years we were very close neighbours. i got to three years we were very close neighbours . i got to know her neighbours. i got to know her and she's not racist . well, no and she's not racist. well, no way . it's really important. we way. it's really important. we don't know humanise and make monsters out of. are you making them he. no, she's not to speak it doesn't what i'm saying is i recognise an incredible mild mannered very, very humble woman that only wants to do good, she was one of the kind to speak all i've ever met and to suddenly demonise her as some kind of monster because she got something slightly wrong. there are double. she got pulled out, but she full finally. but she was full time finally. well didn't get pulled out. that's not fair. and you make myths. did get you out. she myths. she did get you out. she became best known. you are where you are, where she's slightly hard of hearing. i mean, that's

that's out. are of that that's come out. you are of that just doesn't excuses she was raised there's no excuse i want to come back in on and also what she's done said because because you've just asked me to do that not a hang on a second. i'm not so many turns people into monsters. right we've all made mistakes of different have different in our i've made different in our lives i've made mistakes as maybe everyone mistakes as maybe say everyone on panel has made mistakes. on the panel has made mistakes. right. don't believe in witch right. i don't believe in witch hunts. believe people hunts. i don't believe people should put in a should be should be put in a position where no one can forgive them. absolutely not. what about is what we're talking about here is who she's got all who has i'm sure she's got all sorts of good about of this person. the of the person. but at the heart of the royal household the royal household is there to serve the royal royal families royal family, the royal families that go to the that serve us. if you go to the royal household , you do royal household, you do not expect be questions as expect to be asked questions as where your people come from ? where do your people come from? when in britain ? when you were born in britain? well, it depends the brush. well, it depends on the brush. that's the coffin say we that's the coffin to say we should we take offence to is to me that's just me it depends me that's just to me it depends if go to the dress as if you go to the dress as something another picture something from another picture will fashion police not

will you. the fashion police not know you're not allowed to dress, like man, dress, are you? like any man, i'm talking you will. i'm not talking about you will. you sorry, let me you will in five. sorry, let me finish . you'll invite questions finish. you'll invite questions that nature. if you that are of that nature. if you go in trouble, get go dressed in trouble, get belinda. shouldn't that. belinda. you shouldn't do that. why because allowed why not? because you are allowed to dress like. even to dress what you like. even with if i am, i'll with that. belinda if i am, i'll beunda with that. belinda if i am, i'll belinda and then i'll take lavender . my belinda and then i'll take lavender. my family being born and brought up in china. they only walk, dress. they didn't take the chinese dress. where did chinese be racist? but asking where? my grandmother. great etc. were originally ? of great etc. were originally? of course they wouldn't because we are white. there's this standards where we're all suddenly monsters when we make mistakes. but other people are. well, maybe you told me on that front, i want to get the last. this is answers and you've got about 20 seconds. you can wrap this i'm i'm this for. well, i'm just i'm just just appalled actually at the judgement being shown the judgement that's being shown here. said. we all here. as matthew said. we all makes of us makes mistakes, none of us assail, and i think at the assail, save. and i think at the end the day here we've got a end of the day here we've got a woman humiliated by all woman has been humiliated by all accounts now is feeling desperately despair and unhappy

because made a mistake and because she made a mistake and we another woman, i'm afraid who do i think is, as you said, not was dressed up in a way so as to invite comment and is now trying to make something of it. well got great pr for her charity so well done her i think she could be more humble about be little bit more humble about it okay. listen, thank it. okay. well, listen, thank you to , all of you. you so much to, all of you. matthew, startling, really good you so much to, all of you. mtyouw, startling, really good you so much to, all of you. mtyou. suzanneig, really good you so much to, all of you. mtyou. suzanne evanslly good you so much to, all of you. mtyou. suzanne evans ,y good you so much to, all of you. mtyou. suzanne evans , but od you so much to, all of you. mtyou. suzanne evans , but linda to you. suzanne evans, but linda to you. suzanne evans, but linda to lisa and also really good to talk to you. thank you very much. we thought, well, this is gb news on what life on tv and on digital radio. it's fast approaching . 34 minutes after approaching. 34 minutes after 4:00. with great 4:00. we'll continue with great debate. is the debate. i'm asking, is the ethical for charity to discriminate against race didn't answer but you can also answer that. but you can also you'll the of my panel you'll hear the of my panel broadcaster columnist lizzie cundy consultant at the cundy also a consultant at the daily mail, andrew pearce . then daily mail, andrew pearce. then stay me. it's difficult stay with me. it's difficult conversation. according to figures by business figures published by business school instances of domestic abuse increased by 47% when england win world cup games. i'll be joined model and television personality lloyd, who suffered at the hands of

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welcome back this tv news on tv onune welcome back this tv news on tv online , on digital radio, don't online, on digital radio, don't forget as well , you can download forget as well, you can download the gb news app. i'm not a nana akua and it's time for our great british debate this hour. i'm asking, is it ethical for charities to discriminate against race now in light of the goes the fulani saga, where vows erupted at buckingham palace that resulted in the queen's lady in waiting, susan hussey being forced to quit over her questions now being as to questions are now being as to whether fulani charity sisters base is discriminatory the grounds of race. now this comes as the charity aims to support black, african and caribbean women , who suffer from forms of women, who suffer from forms of domestic violence. so for the great british debate this i'm asking is it ethical for charities discriminate in this way? let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined broadcaster columnist lizzie broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also consultant editor at , andrew pierce. at the daily, andrew pierce. lizzy, i'll start with you. what's your on this? you know,

it's just a space specifically said african—caribbean . i happen said african—caribbean. i happen to be in touch with . people who to be in touch with. people who have is not very have and this is not very confirmed but there are confirmed it. but there are reports out there that she she's telling people away who aren't who don't meet that but that it's there. don't it's just out there. i don't know it's true. i know whether it's true. well, i would them, as i just would be one of them, as i just as long white and i'm as long as i'm white and i'm from caribbean and african. from the caribbean and african. but i think i don't think any charity selective or charity should be selective or exclusive a racist exclusive and frankly, a racist . you know, i really don't. it should be all lives matter. i don't think you should just look after minority and after one ethnic minority and not others. what about also what about argument that people put forward? it's got a cultural identity and things like that that actually certain people from certain cultures or races won't come to you because of their beliefs? well, possibly lesser charities focus on particular aspect of ethnic origin, such as some cell, you know, where, you know, charity is supposed to be helping everyone . and i have everyone. and i have a responsibility to give and to help and to care . and i think it

help and to care. and i think it is for everyone. and that's why it be. and i think you touched on it in your excellent diatribe at the beginning monologue when you said, imagine if it was a charity who said only white of domestic abuse can come here . it domestic abuse can come here. it would be closed down within 24 hours. they would be called racist fascists . so why is it racist fascists. so why is it different if you're african—caribbean , a charity to african—caribbean, a charity to help any victim of domestic violence? should they should open door to any woman who's a victim of . domestic. you know victim of. domestic. you know about domestic. i do, certainly i do. about domestic. i do, certainly ido.and about domestic. i do, certainly i do. and it would be awful if i'd gone to her. she would have said, turn me away just said, now turn me away just because white matter because because i'm white matter because you're white. so that make that, you're white. so that make that, you know, is she racist ? you know, is she racist? ashamed. ask question ashamed. she ask the question where you from? when people go to her charity, what we've already pointed out that people have might afraid whatever have might be afraid or whatever go to certain people with regard to they're not them to because they're not like them a but what about the a way. but but what about the argument that because i hear that they said it was you can't see the prisons this is one of

the i'm on i think it's the things i'm on i think it's in cases website with regard to african people. she african caribbean people. she says that 86% african and or says that 86% of african and or canbbean says that 86% of african and or caribbean heritage women in the uk either directly been a uk have either directly been a victim of domestic or victim of domestic violence or abuse family member. and abuse or in a family member. and one reasons why it's that one of the reasons why it's that way well, way is because says, well, i can't way is because says, well, i cant any way is because says, well, i can't any on it. that's can't see any on it. that's something that a police officer said to so that's why if said to them. so that's why if it's on black people, it's focussed on black people, then i mean, i'm not buying into that, figure well, that, that figure is, well, at least african or least 80% of african and or canbbean least 80% of african and or caribbean heritage women in the uk have had either directly been a victim domestic violence, a victim of domestic violence, sexual or known them from sexual abuse or known them from family . so yeah, this is on the family. so yeah, this is on the it is on systems a on the website she queries in this charity i'm afraid to say and friend of mine has done some investigations into this charity and. not all as it appears you know is written there is quite right and what i mean obviously then to answer them them this is on their website i do not i don't know much about life but i'd be stuck it if that's

correct. well, it says here that 57% would report an offence . 57% would report an offence. police, despite the lack of support it's clear the victims are reaching out for help. so people are asking help anyway. and then she says in 1, equal care . so the current system care. so the current system supports black women fine as it is, whereas the other 99. it's time we safeguarded black women equally unfairly . so this was equally unfairly. so this was she said we're not white women, but not all. not white victims. and i think the most important thing with charities is , you thing with charities is, you know, they may be with the commission of charities, but are they run properly ? are they run they run properly? are they run properly ? those that are running properly? those that are running the charities benefit themselves. that's what needs to be looked into. she's going to be looked into. she's going to be asking the same question. susan hussey asked her back in paris. where you from ? if she's paris. where you from? if she's only going to help people have kind that's then that got kind of that's it then that got to that. same question. to ask that. well same question. well that's well was the well that's well that was the whole to the thing you're whole point to the thing you're if going so if you're going to be so offended, people where offended, people asking where you're and it's of you're from and also and it's of heritage. so somebody who's white, if they went there and,

said am i live it should said that i am i live it should i mean, i think she was very evasive made it difficult for lady any lady hussey to get any information of her. but if information out of her. but if eventually get the eventually you get down to the line, the person doesn't look like african , then you're going, like african, then you're going, she's going to have to ask, well, your heritage and that person then to to person then going to have to say, well, i'm i heritage is from zimbabwe from wherever i zimbabwe whatever but i'm white so just think very disingenuous to think it's very disingenuous to feel victim of the abuse. it shouldn't matter where you're from. it matter what colour your skin is. it matter your disability you're a victim of domestic abuse . that's what domestic abuse. that's what matters. and you get the right having gap though she's bridging a gap to black women who are afraid to go to white people for help . i don't know . the more you help. i don't know. the more you hear this charity, let me you so concerning i swallow that and i really with this and i'm sorry and for this lady to go this charity y adult for apparently

and to be on every chat show is incredible someone that likes the limelight a little bit too much there's something more going on here. well, i can just you very pretty that the charity figures were from a poll of 300 african caribbean so i don't really know that's representative and hardly really you need about 2000 you need it more than that. i mean i'm but so many of you very rooted and you think it's right for charities able to charities that they be able to discriminate regard discriminate with regard to. you know think charity know and i think the charity commission should make a clear statement exactly statement about this exactly 100. well what are your 100. no way. well what are your thoughts? this thoughts? let's see. this says nothing . you your nothing. you and your fees. let's welcome a great british voice. your opportunity be voice. is your opportunity to be able you think able to say tell us. you think about topics discussing. able to say tell us. you think awant topics discussing. able to say tell us. you think awant to topics discussing. able to say tell us. you think awant to head:s discussing. able to say tell us. you think awant to head to discussing. able to say tell us. you think awant to head to bristol|ssing. able to say tell us. you think awant to head to bristol to ng. i want to head to bristol to have with our regular gb have a chat with our regular gb news leigh harris leigh, news voice. leigh harris leigh, very good to talk to you. right. so first of all, in answer to the actual question with regard to charities do you think they should be allowed to discriminate manner ? no, i discriminate this manner? no, i mean, to talk about the why mean, just to talk about the why we're talking about this topic, your monologue was absolutely me

and it was i'll be looking forward to reading that when it comes out is spot on i with every single word of that firstly i do think this stinks of an obvious set up you know i obviously don't know her and i could be wrong but based on her tweets i've read she she comes across as an anti royalist blm activist and a marxist who probably was looking for an opportunity for not antagonistic exchange . well, i don't know exchange. well, i don't know that for sure . i mean, as you that for sure. i mean, as you said it's what you just said . said it's what you just said. it's just a personal view. but you know, to answer your question directly , in my view, question directly, in my view, it's not ethical to discriminate against race, especially for this particular type of charity. i agree with what a lot of lyndall to lucy was saying , and lyndall to lucy was saying, and i can understand that it's necessary to have a cultural awareness discrimination in some cases , but fundamentally cases, but fundamentally dividing people by the colour of their skin, it's just acceptable. in my book, i agree with you, it's racist , racist with you, it's racist, racist and divisive . but going to the i

and divisive. but going to the i know this point has already been made. it's always worth reading. you know imagine if it was the other way round, you know, would it be acceptable for a domestic abuse to accept white abuse charity to accept white people? of course . and that people? of course. and that would be equally unacceptable. you playing devil's advocate here , there are obviously here, there are obviously specific circles instances when a charity can ethically discriminate . so, for example, discriminate. so, for example, we've already spoken about women's refuge charities . yeah, women's refuge charities. yeah, they probably help women and thatis they probably help women and that is perfectly acceptable and you know i used work in recruitment many, many years and we had women refuge on our books. and i wasn't to call them because i was a man and so in your view that that part is acceptable but actually discrimination based on my life , you said, you know, why would why would domestic abuse have anything do with with race exactly, you know , it's exactly, you know, it's completely different scenario of the biggest charities. for example , one of the biggest

example, one of the biggest women's charities is refuge said, listen, we're running out of time. and i like, yeah, that's enough. i'm sorry. women but there's also a section for men . right. so they do actually men. right. so they do actually help men too. so they don't just women. they will. i don't have as many resources available for men, but they do help you . men, but they do help you. there's a phone number that you can call. it's so they're not discriminating exclusively. they've got to go. and then also possibly women. but it's possibly helping women. but it's silly, you very much. it's silly, thank you very much. it's always could listen always very good. could listen to good. leigh, to fred. it's very good. leigh, thank much. that lee thank you so much. that is lee harris. great british harris. he's a great british voice well, this is stay with us. we've still got lights the way. this is these were way. this is tv. these were live on and on digital radio. on online and on digital radio. after the break, it's time for the round i'm joined the royal round up. i'm joined by angela levin by royal biographer angela levin and cedric and body language expert cedric erasmus. he's the body language guy to give us all the latest on and meghan's netflix documentary netflix yes in full and the wales is tough across atlantic as well that's all after this stay with me .

welcome on board if you just join me thank you for your company i'm nana akua this is gb news now there's always something going on in the royal household and this week no different than other harry and meghan's netflix is being released next and that is amidst the current royal race row that's engulfed the palace. so saturday as we have our royal run down and firstly let's bring in angela levin . she's a royal in angela levin. she's a royal biographer to discuss what's going on. so, first of all, to give you the latest on harry and meghan's documentary. well they have done given us all a whole range of oh . yeah. photographs range of oh. yeah. photographs to see , some of which turn your to see, some of which turn your stomach. i don't to go into their private life and see how they and all that but one they kiss and all that but one of which really caught my is them walking of buckingham

palace holding hands so this was obviously done you know 2020, 20 and they smoke in a photographer and they smoke in a photographer and without asking the queen's permission and all those pictures taken, you can't do that well. so we did we know they didn't get a call. they definitely get permission. how do you know that? well, it's in the telegraph and it's been confirmed in the papers . confirmed in the papers. confirmed that that's actually true. and the queen was absolutely furious because she's got her private area very close to that and you can't just have somebody wandering in and i think that shows you what the is that it's all me me me they don't care the queen and they don't care the queen and they don't care the queen and they don't care sticking to the simplest rules for the safety of everybody. well, we know they don't stick to the rules. let's bnng don't stick to the rules. let's bring on the body language expert. yes and cross us body quy- expert. yes and cross us body guy.body expert. yes and cross us body guy. body language. what is .

guy. body language. what is. hello. yes, thank you so much for joining us. hey so hello, forjoining us. hey so hello, nana. hi this is andrew. 11 is boiling . so hello. how are you boiling. so hello. how are you doing? hi. by invitation . nice doing? hi. by invitation. nice to be here. talking about well, all that is happening this week. we that the harry and released this on purpose do like flash aware that william and catherine and the surprise that is no that is no so you know that of the message that they are trying to convey with this. well we've got some pictures has this that you're going to give us some ideas body language because ideas the body language because it all these it released all these photographs so start with the photographs so we start with the first let's take a look first picture let's take a look at this picture. all right. so talk to me then about . the body talk to me then about. the body language as these two are coming down the stairs. is down the stairs. this is catherine william yeah, that catherine and william yeah, that the picture shows you this this synchronisation , it's between synchronisation, it's between them. something that you have to look for in a couple way. they're a body language each other. and they even have time.

the challenge with going down the stairs to share a smile with each other and. both smiles are genuine are the same in set intensity and it's so, so nice . intensity and it's so, so nice. see that you look at them in this picture and you see you feel nice, but you don't quite know what it is. but it's not this sink between the bodies, the posture the attitude and that can even share that smile between them . see, now that's between them. see, now that's lovely. so there they are . so lovely. so there they are. so william and kate, let's take a look. they are lovely, aren't they? william kate, they're they? william and kate, they're quite actually quite lovely. they are actually was it really interesting is was. it really interesting is that move the same way they that they move the same way they their hands are held in the same which . they'd be a bit more which. they'd be a bit more affectionate. i'd like to see honest have look at them honest have another look at them because another picture honest have another look at them betwell. another picture honest have another look at them betwell. this another picture honest have another look at them betwell. this now 10ther picture honest have another look at them betwell. this now 10ther jthemz as well. this now this is them now a bit more functional, now being a bit more functional, quite that. us. what, quite like that. us. what, what's this telling us. yeah. that's , that's when they that's why, that's when they were these celtics game were watching these celtics game , they were going close to each other and that's something that you to spot when a couple this

case they're going to well they were going to close too so william could hear what catherine was saying but you have to look at the body and the way they interact , how relaxed way they interact, how relaxed they are when they get close, when they are when a couple get close together because sometimes you see a couple dad, one of them gets a bit uneasy or tense when they when the other closer. but in this case , you see that but in this case, you see that william is quite relaxed you can see that william was well his neck. he was afraid that that very sensitive area of our body, thatis very sensitive area of our body, that is the neck. it was really comfortable with catherine , comfortable with catherine, really close to him. and catherine even had this to pubuc catherine even had this to public display of affection. i know. i don't know if you can see it here. she had her hand on his his leg . it was a display of his his leg. it was a display of being really close together. and they are comfortable with that

closeness that that is the kind of signals that you have to look for in a couple when you see that they they they get together well they do look like this because we have a look at the dastardly harry and meghan let's p0p dastardly harry and meghan let's pop them in. so this one, harry and meghan i notice on some of your language expert things your body language expert things the wait. will the claw. i can't wait. we will talk but here's talk about that. but here's a picture harry and meghan. picture of harry and meghan. it's a black and white talk. talk me about what? see on talk to me about what? see on this? first thing that this? yeah. the first thing that i and have to make this i tell and i have to make this ask this question is who took the ? they wanted make the picture? they wanted to make it that was a very it seem that was a very spontaneous , very naive take on spontaneous, very naive take on the intimate part i think it was the intimate part i think it was the kitchen they were talking. oh was totally spontaneous. but there must have been either a taking the picture with them. so it was not intimate at all or they set up a tripod , a camera they set up a tripod, a camera and a timer or something or oh, we're going to be here. and so smiling and such and such with a

camera filming ourselves that thatis camera filming ourselves that that is both options are creepy . so that instantly you, you might seem that, oh, they look so relaxed and honest . oh gone so relaxed and honest. oh gone we've lost this this is of course is he's back he's back you back. well oh you're back yes. yes as you vanish for a moment, there you are frozen in picture. there so this is two say there's another one knows this one more another one of harry and meghan as well. so this one, so that same location is done. they're kissing, but the still there. i the camera is still there. i mean, was going on? yeah, mean, what was going on? yeah, i think they wanted to convey this. i don't know if they wanted to , like, create wanted to, like, create a catalogue of pictures so they could use them later. we it's well defeats the purpose of being private or having a private life or trying to enjoy each other's company if they are no different than a tiktok or

instagram influencer, we which are documenting every single part of their lives just to share it with the world so it is a bit like like the fits , the a bit like like the fits, the purpose of having a lovely body language or , spontaneous body language or, spontaneous body language or, spontaneous body language if you are just thinking of, well let's, let's see how we can share this with the world. so that is like it like the matter message of this pictures and the final picture we've got is this one now this she doesn't look happy. meghan doesn't look happy . yeah that doesn't look happy. yeah that thatis doesn't look happy. yeah that that is the i think we had i had a live with my body language body and we were we have this theory that those picture those black and white pictures is harry has this military uniform was this night i guess it was march 7th 2020 it was one of their latest engagements as i seen as working royals and.

well, this was like the real , well, this was like the real, real deal in terms of body language. this was very, very talk about the expressions of that moment . talk about the expressions of that moment. i understand talk about the expressions of that moment . i understand that talk about the expressions of that moment. i understand that . that moment. i understand that. well, you can be a bit of stress or you can be tired at some . and or you can be tired at some. and from this engagements. but you know that cameras are . i do. and know that cameras are. i do. and i think meghan either , meghan i think meghan either, meghan and harry were not dry at all at this point . yeah, that's very this point. yeah, that's very harrowing. that's a very meghan looks really annoyed then . she looks really annoyed then. she also said he looks upset he yeah the that that picture conveys it's such a pleasure talking you is the body language people want . find out more about your stuff they can catch wear what do they need to look for. yeah now they can just look for me on your two. our twitter asked the body language guy that says thank you much and says this and he goes, thank so much for the body thank so much for he's the body language guy. one of the other pictures with her sort of

sitting on a bed holding her headin sitting on a bed holding her head in the hands. now, if she was crying, would you really get someone in to take a picture. we didn't know she's crying that she's covering your hand. the implication in it is crying. why you want to do that? i mean, this so million victim. i just isn't it it's and there's somebody taking the picture as well that's the things that somebody they're taking the picture do you go that one and i mean you know i when i was younger it was phoney wasn't it . the whole thing was phoney . younger it was phoney wasn't it . the whole thing was phoney. i think you'd never do the thing when you cry in the mirror just to see what your face looks like. i never do that. i know that don't but the that i don't anymore. but the other thing that's very interesting you interesting is she said, you know, the stakes so high know, the stakes are so high that much better that that isn't it much better that we tell our own story ? well, we tell our own story? well, what stakes ? what's her? she what stakes? what's her? she would be nothing unless she had been part of the royal family listed married harry there's she

had no particular for acting she wasn't good. no but i mean you know what is it? why are they so obsessed? it's really . and why obsessed? it's really. and why do they want to bring down catherine and william and the monarchy with it i mean it's just frightening in their arrogance and their nasty frankly. well it does that that seems to be their objective and. why would you go out and talk to all this stuff and make up all this stuff? i mean, 17 clear inconsistencies in oprah interview. it'sjust inconsistencies in oprah interview. it's just at least staggering. yeah, staggering. but be who look but there'll be those who look on say, look, she's on this and say, look, she's a victim of racism. oh, but i mean, why does she go away and live quietly as the queen said, you know, please do that, you know, your life . they know, make your own life. they can't got to hang on the can't they've got to hang on the hanging titles, the hanging on to the titles, the hanging on to the titles, the hanging on to being as unpleasant as possible about the royal family it's something very wrong there . well it's an 11 wrong there. well it's an 11 it's always a pleasure to talk to you. thank you so much. royal biographer angela levin . well, biographer angela levin. well, what your thoughts? keep

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announced that he won't be standing in the next general election. that is alongside at least ten others. and this comes as rishi sunak's government took another hit after losing the by—election in chester to the labour party , threw the tories labour party, threw the tories down to chance in 2024. as ever , me gbviews@gbnews.uk tweet me at . gb news. , me gbviews@gbnews.uk tweet me at. gb news. right. so it is now time for this week's difficult conversation . and according to conversation. and according to new figures published by the workforce school instances of domestic abuse increase heavily when england win world cup games from 2020 10 to 20 2019, they went up by 47. and that is as data . the nspcc states that data. the nspcc states that dunng data. the nspcc states that during the previous cup domestic abuse jumped a third and that 33% compared to the monthly average . experts have said that average. experts have said that alcohol and can worsen existing patterns of behaviour. so today i would like to be joined by danielle lloyd now she's a

former british she rose to fame in 2004 with her appearance on miss england and has been in the pubuc miss england and has been in the public eye ever since. and when she was a teen, danielle was in an abusive relationship with her partner , was beaten and partner, she was beaten and belittled every possible belittled at every possible opportunity. situation dire. opportunity. her situation dire. thankfully she's able to break out of that abusive relationship and has turned a life around, help others who find themselves in a similar situation. so joining me to talk about and spread awareness abuse spread awareness domestic abuse is and television is model and television personality danielle lloyd . personality danielle lloyd. danielle, thank you so much for joining me. it's really good to meet you. so what ? he wants to meet you. so what? he wants to talk to you about, you expect parents and how it's kind of shaped you now . and obviously shaped you now. and obviously it's shape men like mark will hold life massively and it's made me the person who i am today and i went through hell and back as a teenager and i was smashed over the head with chess

and my of plates at me. i was spat at on a daily basis and but self esteem not just the physical abuse which scarred me. it was mental abuse as well . and it was mental abuse as well. and it was mental abuse as well. and i think that more so obviously as the abuser, they like, they can make you so dependent on them that you lose all your . and them that you lose all your. and you feel like you're nothing basically. and all you can do is depend on them . now, a lot of depend on them. now, a lot of people when they hear women talking about stories of domestic violence because usually is mostly women, but not to say it doesn't happen to men that i've seen people often say, and i don't know whether you've had people say this to you as well, why didn't you just leave? so why you think, well, so why didn't you think, well, look , i've got awesome. look, i've got awesome. i stockpile of this they being in that controlling relationship one i had no friends because they were taken away me because

i wasn't allowed to see anybody . i was separated from . my . i was separated from. my family and i believe that that person loved me that much and i love them and i depended on them and it was just horrendous it wasn't it wasn't so to leave. eventually i had have come with just to get a little bit of strength to, say no. and eventually when i did say no, enough not have leave and i got punched as , you can see in the punched as, you can see in the picture i got punched badly in the face. i was knocked , i the face. i was knocked, i fractured my eye socket . the fractured my eye socket. the other i mean, this is awful and i'm so glad you got out of that, because a lot of women don't ever get out of that situation . ever get out of that situation. you know, there are a lot of women are killed by their abusen women are killed by their abuser, but moving on to other relationships. did you find that you were drawn to people who had

a similar sort personality and was similar to what you been through in a sense? or did you that you kind of went to the extreme . yeah. joanna well, i extreme. yeah. joanna well, i feel like i've gone one sort of bad relationship to another and i was somebody who was so fragile , made bad choices . and fragile, made bad choices. and it wasn't until of now that feel so much more stronger. and it's taught me a lot of time to heal up to learn self—love actually myself enough to realise that i am my own person now i've found somebody that i can trust . then somebody that i can trust. then we have a normal relationship because i actually know what thatis because i actually know what that is . and that is key, isn't that is. and that is key, isn't it, that i think that people are drawn to something that comes to them with, but it might not actually be something that's good for because that's good for them because that's what you keep

what they know. and you keep repeating same thing . and repeating the same thing. and eventually when you sort of mature your mind, to mature in your mind, you get to a where you are now that a stage where you are now that you start make the right you can start to make the right choices. how did you if choices. but how did you know if you're advice else? how you're giving advice else? how did recover from did they recover from a traumatic experience and try and learn to make the correct choices? what was that choices? what was it that changed where you changed you that where you started to actually make the correct decisions? yeah, i think for me , just talking about it for me, just talking about it and of the staff board sign watching and try to barrier as far as possible down and it was just making more and more ill. it was making me anxious and i was scared of people . i could was scared of people. i could literally jump at anything . so literally jump at anything. so that whole kind about it being able to talk about what happened to is helped me massively and it's helped so many other people . well. you have messages off women of men who have read my story or see my story and know they've said you so much for

speaking out . actually, it's speaking out. actually, it's helped me get out of my abusive relationship without seeing somebody about it. i wouldn't have know even that i was in an abusive relationship because . abusive relationship because. sometimes it's not just, you know, being here. it's the control of behaviour as well that a lot of people don't understand , that that's not understand, that that's not normal . and especially if normal. and especially if there's someone like you, it was this must have been one of your first relations tips you may not have had much experience of what a good relationship is, and you can potentially take that with you something you might you as something you might emulate, even though you don't really mean to so that you know cannot alongside you now cannot come alongside you now that we're are you now in that so now we're are you now in your life. you said you've met somebody you're in a good relationship. what what relationship. what you what are you studying? are you currently studying? what are your projects and honestly just right now i'm just being a mum to five kids which has been really obviously time consuming just as a little daughter. she's one year old now . and i'm i

one year old now. and i'm i think for me , most important think for me, most important thing in life just to lend them especially especially four older boys, how to trace woman and that's the main thing. boys, how to trace woman and that's the main thing . and being that's the main thing. and being honest and open with them and bnng honest and open with them and bring them the price . how did bring them the price. how did you cope, though? because you've got kids. so presumably those children were with you through some of that abuse . how did you some of that abuse. how did you deal with that ? and they are deal with that? and they are stay of just give me strength to carry on on a daily basis. stay of just give me strength to carry on on a daily basis . so carry on on a daily basis. so i've had highs and i've lows and now it's not for them to say that long cry and so for now they give me the strength to carry on each day and i feel every time what happens in your life makes , you a stronger life makes, you a stronger person and so strong and i can get through anything and i think my kids see that may as a strong independent woman which i think is so important. independent woman which i think is so important . yeah, i here

is so important. yeah, i here with danielle. danielle, thank you so much forjoining me. it's really good to talk to and so glad that you're fighting through that and, you know, doing well for yourself. that's lloyd. model lloyd. she's a model and television lovely lloyd. she's a model and te|talk on lovely lloyd. she's a model and te|talk on you. lovely lloyd. she's a model and te|talk on you. thank lovely lloyd. she's a model and te|talk on you. thank you 'ely lloyd. she's a model and te|talk on you. thank you so to talk to you. thank you so much joining of much forjoining me. that, of course, is difficult conversations are speaking to danielle. coming up, it's the great british debate hour. great british debate this hour. i'm tory party i'm asking, does the tory party have winning the have any hope of winning the next ? former health next election? former health secretary has announced secretary sajid has announced that won't be standing in the that he won't be standing in the next general election. that's alongside tory mp . i mean, alongside other tory mp. i mean, they're falling like a deck of cards . this comes after the cards. this comes after the labour party claimed victory in the by—election and this the chester by—election and this is throwing another is really throwing another spanner into the works for prime minister rishi and that's pretty low polling at the moment. so do tory stand a chance in 2024? we'll discuss that after the break .

good afternoon. it's just coming up to 19 minutes after 5:00. this is a gb news live on tv onune this is a gb news live on tv online on digital radio. i'm nana akua . and it's time for our nana akua. and it's time for our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, does the tory have any hope of the next election? this comes as the conservative party were hit with a double whammy yesterday. the test by—election labour candidates . test by—election labour candidates. dixon won six thomas but increased their majority to nearly 11,000. i think that was up from 6000 with 61% share of the vote, starmer declared . this the vote, starmer declared. this was evidence that people were fed and want a change in leadership . the labour party has leadership. the labour party has been putting forward a positive plan for the future. how we stable and grow our economy so we putting a positive choice to the electorate. in chester, the is worn out hired has crushed the economy and the verdict was very very given and i think that's a clear message to the

prime minister , rishi sunak's, prime minister, rishi sunak's, that people are fed up, they want a change right. so following this former chancellor javid, who held a number of prominent roles in government, announced that he was stepping down at the next javid joined growing list of tory mp stephen announced that they're standing down as the daily mail reports. the veterans of the party are saying tories face ten years in opposition if they keep going on the way they are . so in the wake the way they are. so in the wake of this debate this hour, i'm asking does the tory party have any of winning the next any hope of winning the next election? well, i'm joined now by mp stephen by former labour mp stephen pound. so pound. stephen, thank you so much joining right. what much forjoining me. right. what do do you think do you think? do you think labour a to win the labour have a hope to win the next election they got it in next election if they got it in the absolutely the bag? no, absolutely not. that's bizarre to us. i mean, you know, look, the tories could win the next election , a two win the next election, a two horse race and know we're two years away from it. but the i think the key thing is, as you know, andrew will probably confirm one of the awful confirm this. one of the awful rules politics nobody rules british politics is nobody

wins election the other party wins an election the other party loses it . and at the moment the loses it. and at the moment the tories are coming like like a flatpack wardrobe there's no question that. but you question about that. but you know, we've been here know, we've been we've been here before there's before. i think there's something the air. and i something in the air. and i think in 79 i remember we had no chance. we knew the tories would come 2008 to 2010. we just sat around waiting the etonians because knew that be because we knew that they'd be coming over hill tory coming over hill 97, the tory party was mired in swaying some of the lows. actually, the british scandals. you could never sit down and imagine that being played out in front of our eyes and it wasn't what labour was going to say it was going to do our policy as was just do wasn't our policy as was just the that different the fact that we were different we you know, were we were new, you know, we were hard think being sort hard to think of ever being sort of brighton, you know, of fresh brighton, you know, like you know like a spring lamb but you know labour with new in 97. i think what's happening is what's happening this time is a keir starmer realise isn't keir starmer realise it isn't good we're not good to simply say we're not tories, which is why we're going to a whole raft of policy to get a whole raft of policy announcements. this week. but interestingly you forget interestingly you never forget the tories got the fact that the tories got a majority in the high seventies. they haven't got the 80 majority

anymore. hell of a anymore. it's a hell of a mountain to climb. so you also simple question the tories simple question can the tories win next? i yes, of win the next? i say yes, of course they can. for the sake of the country i certainly hope they don't . what they if they they don't. what if they if they fix economy there this could fix the economy there this could be know as you said next be you know and as you said next week party come week the labour party will come out of their out some policies. one of their policies private policies was about private schools and removing the charitable status, which i do think pulls that well for most people. i mean , what do you make people. i mean, what do you make of what you make of those sort of what you make of those sort of policies? do you think that that's their way for what they should be going? i these interesting policy week do interesting policy this week do you remember mansion tax? the idea that, you know, you idea was that, you know, if you if house go few if you had a house go a few years remember knocking years i don't remember knocking on my old patch on doors all over my old patch saying support can saying don't support us, we can have the mansion as it will. no, that might hurt me say, that might hurt me and say, well, second, your well, hang on a second, your house but, know. well, hang on a second, your housi but, know. well, hang on a second, your housi said, but, know. well, hang on a second, your housi said, yes but, know. well, hang on a second, your housi said, yes one , know. well, hang on a second, your housi said, yes one day know. well, hang on a second, your housi said, yes one day iknow. well, hang on a second, your housi said, yes one day i hope and i said, yes one day i hope will have a house that's worth a million. so when you say about pubuc million. so when you say about public people public schools, people are saying right that saying it isn't right that they get exemption. charity get vat exemption. this charity , they obviously demonstrably

not . public schools not charities. public schools are business like hearted, are a business like hearted, cold headed business. however, the people who pay the fees for their children to go to public school really tax. so school really paid tax. so wouldn't it be more sense . so wouldn't it be more sense. so they're paying tax twice . so they're paying tax twice. so i think probably be more sensible to go other way around and say, look, send kids to look, if you send your kids to private then maybe you private school, then maybe you should exemption for should get a tax exemption for that. of public that. i'm no fan of public schools. an odd factor in schools. it's an odd factor in my by revealing 2 to 3 mp is a privately educated so you know the labour party has got an awful of at the public awful lot of who at the public school not what school you think not think what they'd would be they'd do though would be that they'd do though would be that they try fix the they would try and fix the education system of the state sector so don't need to sector so they don't need to sort of down which is what sort of level down which is what they doing. i they sound like doing. okay. i think growing list think there's a growing list what but what do you what i said. but what do you make of the growing list of senior mp to leave in the senior tory mp to leave in the party? down party? they're standing for down next so i i've not next election. so i i've not mentioned ships or mentioned sinking ships or rodents because , but it's rodents because, but it's interesting. so it's a lot of labour mp standing too . down but labour mp standing too. down but the difference is that most of the difference is that most of the labour is a standing down to

people and people like harriet harman and barry are not in barry sheerman who are not in the flush of youth. what's the first flush of youth. what's interesting like william interesting, people like william bragg davidson and bragg and diana davidson and people the young people like that, the young tories are just looking say, tories are just looking to say, i really really don't fancy ten years in opposition and that's going to be, i think one of the markers. it's about the mood people don't drooled down into sort of section 644. every manifesto . it's the mood and the manifesto. it's the mood and the mood at the moment is the tories are lost . they completely are lost. they completely crushed the economy , the rats crushed the economy, the rats are leaving the ship and. that's the mood. it's up to labour to prove that we're actually worthy and alternative not and we have an alternative not necessarily shaking with necessarily shaking hands with so the stuff so ramaphosa with all the stuff coming out about him this week and as well we will let you say what's a sinking ship it does look a little bit unfair. can i take that back? i didn't i didn't actually mean to say. right. mean, sajid right. i mean, i like sajid javid he's decent bloke, so javid he's a decent bloke, so he's all stay there . he's all then stay right there. former tory mp and whittaker and thank you so much for joining former tory mp and whittaker and thank you so much forjoining me . so what do you think the

tories need a week lost and she's played all that time now she's played all that time now she's gonna try and get it back but , you know, just wondering but, you know, just wondering what the tories need to do in order to pull back in the polls. i as go back stephen i might as well go back stephen then he gets a bit more then to see he gets a bit more time. hands back, arms back , time. hands back, arms back, back. back and to great back. she's back and to great have you company. so what do you think then. what need to pull back in the polls which you think will. think the economy will. what what think ? well, first what do you think? well, first of wouldn't place too of all, i wouldn't place too much emphasis the number much emphasis on the number tories who are leaving. i mean quite stupidly what party has doneis quite stupidly what party has done is to say that they have to declare whether they're going to stand or gain again or not by monday . now that simply means monday. now that simply means that everybody who was thinking about it might have gone one way or the other is suddenly forced to take a decision on. it's a bit like, you know, as a covid regulation when they decided to have curfew everybody have a curfew and, everybody was out same time. and out all at the same time. and that's what they've done. now they they've imposed they say they've imposed a deadune they say they've imposed a deadline that's embarrassed themselves. anyway not

themselves. it it anyway not that it's the last thing . that it's the last thing. secondly you know it's always disappointing . people decide to disappointing. people decide to stand down. but labour suspending done. why would you perfectly normal in this period before an election but what have we got and think this is significant we have people crossing the floor now before 79 you had people like reg prentis coming towards that the seventies coming up to seven you had a bit of farnham you had clinton davis, you had a number, you had alan was a whip, you had a number of tories moving on to the side of the house. you haven't got that momentum. that means people aren't actually giving up. so answer your central , which is what do they central, which is what do they have to do ? they have to act have to do? they have to act like tories and the public has not done well and it hasn't done the rishi any good. it hasn't improved his standing in the country. if anything, it's gone. the way and what people wanted

was to moment but administered rather more sensibly and, rather more carefully , and rather more carefully, and rather a more carefully, and rather a more gradually. but they won't vision of a low tax competitive economy. they don't want to feel this misery. it's just going to go and on and on. that's what this issue is offering them. the lisbon doesn't seem to be any end in sight for. lisbon doesn't seem to be any end in sight for . the misery. end in sight for. the misery. it's like he just wants us to pay it's like he just wants us to pay off the debt. i mean, let's just what is sort held it back and treated it like a war debt which i think is a much more realistic proposition. do you think going think there's a way going because to be because they do seem to be heading left. she's in the heading the left. she's in the way leaving the room for a new centre to . party take centre right to. party take charge. that charge. do you think that they could find themselves could actually find themselves in third place? i don't think so we've been through this . i know we've been through this. i know it's a long time ago , but it's it's a long time ago, but it's within the living memory of families like me. in the 1980s, very senior labour members, very senior foreign secretary for chancellor of the exchequer

formed a new party bar called the social democratic party. the sdp they allied had an electoral with the liberal and the idea was that this was going to be a completely new sea change in british and you were going to have the centre coming through. well the centre won by elections you to one local elections come the general election centre disappeared because people are asking themselves in a general election one big question. they're not saying who do i want? they are saying , who do want? they are saying, who do i not? and that why in 92, when we all assumed i assume we'd lost the election 92 i gave my civil a farewell drink. i took all my plants from the office . i plants from the office. i assumed we'd lost. plants from the office. i assumed we'd lost . we won and assumed we'd lost. we won and won because the electorate were far more scared of kinnock and the labour party manifesto than they were of the conservatives

who were divided by the most votes and beset by sleaze . votes and beset by sleaze. everything else that was a better when the was tony blair of people were not afraid then they could take the so i come a general election people won't bother with third parties that we are asking themselves whom do i feel so. so with that in mind do you think that sir keir starmer has what it takes to actually lead because honestly those jeremy corbyn and people literally ran away from the labour party on the strength of him . do you think that now keir him. do you think that now keir has comfortably convinced people that they can put their faith him ? no, keir starmer is not him? no, keir starmer is not tony blair. i think he might be able to convince people for a short while , you know, that he short while, you know, that he is not a dangerous man and therefore you he's a fairly

comfortable alternative. if don't really want these stories for a longer. but there are two years to go on in two years and many , many a slip can be made. many, many a slip can be made. and i've seen nothing about keir starmer that tells me that this is an inspirational leader he relies entirely on not being the other party on being somebody who doesn't worry people, someone who doesn't make them afraid . but that's very afraid. but that's very different from and this two years for that to go wrong there is now let's bring stephen power back in there to see where he is stephen, there's two years for it to go wrong. do see keir starmer as, the person who could potentially take this away. do you really do you think people actually have put their faith in if . well, if it had just allowed if. well, if it had just allowed me to say that i'm 20 years younger since she left parliament. so i hope that i don't think that actually appues don't think that actually applies to me. but i think you have to look . there has been at have to look. there has been at least one tories cross focussed focus to wait for. the very north is now a labour candidate

in election, just under in the next election, just under 100 councillors actually 100 councillors have actually gone tory labour. but gone from tory to labour. but i think the thing keir starmer is absolutely he's not absolutely right. he's not turning but he's more a turning back, but he's more of a climate figure, a climate active figure, a managerial figure , you know, managerial figure, you know, he's going standing on he's not going to be standing on the leading everybody the barricade leading everybody to he's going to the revolution. he's going to be efficient, calm , sober, be an efficient, calm, sober, honest, trustworthy decent politician. and i honestly think that's pretty much what we wanted present time. do you think? do you think that's what we want now? i it's last we want now? i it's the last thing we need . and i think the thing we need. and i think the other that's think the other thing that's think the service when they got rid of bofis service when they got rid of boris because boris was an inspiration he was charismatic , inspiration he was charismatic, he had huge personality and he did inspire people now keir does now admittedly does rishi particularly. so you've got rather down managers facing each other across the house, but in two years an awful lot can happen. and the crucial thing now and i would say this is for conservative party not to panic and not to think it's all over

and not to think it's all over and remember 1992 when everybody thought it was labour and it's 3:00 in the morning, the bbc still saying that the conservatives at last was already by then, that we'd want they wish to talk to you . right, they wish to talk to you. right, steve, not to pick up . up, so steve, not to pick up. up, so just pick up on quick on the point that i was making about third parties, i think two of the most popular politicians got in the country at the present time whether like or not, time, whether i like it or not, are farage and richard are nigel farage and richard tice i think you've got big, tice and i think you've got big, big personalities there and i think is a possibility . but think that is a possibility. but the what's different the reason what's different about a different from the about now a different from the sdp alliance , all that sdp liberal alliance, all that stuff that we're now in the stuff is that we're now in the world politics. it's world of retail politics. it's pick mix when pick and mix i mean when i started off in politics you were red were blue and a red or you were blue and a little bit smudge of in little bit smudge of yellow in the middle. but, you know, you voted way your parents voted voted the way your parents voted in your in many cases. who your grandparents voted for. nowadays, i meet people voted for different at for different parties at different elections time. i think a possibility . and think there's a possibility. and i think we actually have i think if we actually have a mean farage i got i don't know

how he does it but he does have the ability actually stir the people he's one of the people up and he's one of the most influential politicians of the years. don't with the last 20 years. i don't with him a single point except him on a single point except proportional representation and abolition of the house of lords. be fair to but be fair play to that. but i think sorry , i mean turned it think sorry, i mean turned it down many times that she's got some skin in the game. but look it's all to play for in two years time. if anybody says that it's nailed on for labour they're delusional . mm. well they're delusional. mm. well listen stephen brown, thank very much former mp and we're much former labour mp and we're waiting with the council on whittington . so whitaker whittington. so whitaker whitaker he'll get it ready. she looks at whitaker former conservative cabinet minister . conservative cabinet minister. thank you so much for joining me. well, let's a quick look at what you've been saying, michael says not a chance. i would think what you've been saying, michael says iconservative i would think what you've been saying, michael says iconservative votersld think what you've been saying, michael says iconservative voters won'tik most conservative voters won't be for them. it's be voting for them. again, it's time for change. need stop time for change. we need to stop voting same two parties. voting for the same two parties. they always let us down and we need a political party to need a new political party to run things. you have the people's best interests at heart, says . does it even

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putting the next election now in the chester by—election labour candidate samantha dixon won as the party increased their majority to nearly 11,000. and that's following this . that's following this. chancellor sajid javid well, a number of prominent roles government announced that he stepping down at the next election. javid joins the growing list of tory mp who have announced that their standing down as . as the daily mail down as. as the daily mail reports, the veterans, the party are saying the tories face ten years in opposition if they keep going the way they do . so what going the way they do. so what do you think in the great british debate this i'm asking, does have any does the tory party have any hope of winning the next election? let's see what my panel i'm joined panel make of that. i'm joined by pearce and i'm going by andrew pearce and i'm going to start with you . what do you to start with you. what do you think? do they any hope? think? do they have any hope? well, widdecombe, ever, well, ann widdecombe, as ever, got it. if they got to the nub of it. if they start to governance tories, as opposed woke centre , they've got opposed woke centre, they've got a chance and the reason got a chance is because keir starmer is useless. he's boring . he's

is useless. he's boring. he's got no charisma . there's no star got no charisma. there's no star quality. the only reason the tories are 25 points behind is because they've made so many monumental errors. it's. it's not a positive vote for starmer and that's just a by—election people are writing the tories off because it and that was a terrible result for them. but the swing to labour was only 13. they needed 12% swing to win the election. blair was swings of 25% during byelections when he was leader of the opposition. so there is all to play for. but they've to govern as tories have got to stop putting their taxes up and they've got sort out up and they've got to sort out those channel migrants and quick and they don't sort either of and if they don't sort either of those and they those out, they'll lose and they deserve keir deserve to. well, you of keir starmer could been that of rishi sunak. starmer could been that of rishi sunak . well yeah. similar or sunak. well yeah. similar or sadly underestimates the. it's no longer the conservative party . it's the liberal party . and . it's the liberal party. and for me, frankly , there's no for me, frankly, there's no chance for the tories . you've chance for the tories. you've got no hope. bob hope . and got no hope. bob hope. and sadly, pops left the building . sadly, pops left the building. honestly, there really isn't .

honestly, there really isn't. and it is 12 years of talk, waffle and spin and no action. and you just our borders. they've botched our borders 42 illegal immigrants. they've botched our borders 42 illegal immigrants . what are illegal immigrants. what are they doing? not enough . and with they doing? not enough. and with they doing? not enough. and with they have to get rid of the, you know, the european judges are dictating to us. right. well, because without it, they can't do policy . look, priti patel do policy. look, priti patel never stood a chance . get rwanda never stood a chance. get rwanda off the ground because the european judges were going to stop do stop it. we have to do something. we do declare a national security . and, you know national security. and, you know , i really do feel for my friends that lives in kent because it is a situation and the have done nothing on borders approach. and i agree with stephen i don't agree with stephen i don't agree with stephen on many things. but what he said about nigel farage i do agree and i hope nigel comes back because i think he's our only kind . boris is hanging only kind. boris is hanging around . he's, he's got god knows around. he's, he's got god knows what he's going to write. he's going on in the next going to fight on in the next general election. but of course, he's get through this he's got to get through this wretched committee

investigation, could investigation, which could effectively have him from the commons. and there could be a by—election that by—election and that is a vindictive . what more does the vindictive. what more does the practise of boris have to do? he's lost job as prime minister, sacked by his own party. even though he's the most successful vote winner for the tories since mrs. thatcher. i mean, they just make error . mrs. thatcher. i mean, they just make error. but look at rishi. we wish would have got it. i mean he got 80 parachuted his way and didn't eat number ten but back backstabbing you know we even lost to the letters and he became chancellor don't forget , jeffords stood down as forget, jeffords stood down as chancellor, and that's how she got in. and i blame a lot of the economic disaster in this lockdown on rishi with his furlough , giving willy nilly to furlough, giving willy nilly to anyone beckham's company, he's lot to answer for. and this is turning the conservative party into the labour party. there's a paper thin cigarette between rishi keir starmer. i can't stop my sighs. no charisma . he's no my sighs. no charisma. he's no tony blair. he's not got the

personality. sits on the fence anymore. he gets splinters, he doesn't even know what a woman is. yeah, of true. and he's relying the old dictum that oppositions win elections, governments lose them . and this governments lose them. and this governments lose them. and this government is doing very well screwing things up. but but if they get their act together , if they get their act together, if they get their act together, if they get their act together, if they get their act together, then could be in trouble because he's got no alternative. and what's answer to the migrant what's his answer to the migrant crisis ? well, exactly. it will crisis? well, exactly. it will be open all hours 24 seven. they'll be pouring in. and that is going to be the vote winner. honestly, immigration and i think we've got to see that policy. private schools. i don't know why they thought that would be a good idea to kick in the aspirations. that awful. why aspirations. that is awful. why would that? i went would you do that? i know i went to school and parents. to private school and parents. luckily will to luckily they will move to america then my dad's america and then my dad's company paid me go. me company paid me to go. let me move this country. my move back to this country. my dad pay for. he scrimped dad had to pay for. he scrimped and scraped to make sure i could finish we not finish my education. we were not rich any standard at all. rich by any any standard at all. they decided to forego they just decided to forego other things. i could do that

other things. so i could do that . and that is if that's . and i think that is if that's the sort of mentality of the labour party in london. i wouldn't and let's not forget about keir starmer personally. he went reigate he went to reigate grammar school. two school. he'd been there two years school , went years at the school, went private, he was there in a private, so he was there in a private, so he was there in a private school years private school for five years now. pay his fees. now. he didn't pay his fees. he had benefit private had the benefit of a private education, took him to oxford and director public and director of public prosecutions. you of prosecutions. what do you any of that? kicked of the that? if he'd been kicked of the private and he was also for bolkestein all. and bolkestein no not at all. and don't he's don't forget he's a multimillionaire. he has a lot of money. so know everyone of money. so i know everyone goes about rishi also. so goes on about rishi also. so he's standard he's very double standard hypocritical man. of course, hypocritical man. and of course, he say he's he likes to say he's very working class. was a working class. his dad was a toolmaker. dad owned the toolmaker. his dad owned the factory that made that all a big difference. and sadly , very in difference. and sadly, very in with the places like on don't don't forget also c'est armour campaigned ceaselessly jeremy corbyn to be prime in the 2017 election between 19 election and he was the architect . the second he was the architect. the second referendum on brexit. you want me to trust him on what would you stand with the strikes? so we've got all these strikes coming. he won't be on the

picket what does he picket lines, but what does he think? condemn think? but he won't condemn unions the unions because they bankroll the labour exactly. but labour party. exactly. true. but then caught between rock then we are caught between rock and place. because if and a hard place. because if that's opposition that's what got as an opposition and we've got the tory parties who are haemorrhaging on their own help own without any help from anybody where go . so is anybody, where do we go. so is there room for third party politics? i said i want there to be because do believe the reform party could be ? great. but they party could be? great. but they have gone up to sink 9. i think they need someone like nigel farage. they do. well we farage. they really do. well we might persuade him . stephen, i'm might persuade him. stephen, i'm not stephen. can it? stephen pound was right. he is one of the most influential politics of the most influential politics of the last 20 years because happened because of him . but happened because of him. but what did point out was proportional representation which is it was not really attractive for any of the fringe parties to get involved, which is why this tea party system continues to exist . worry is continues to exist. worry is that starmer wins in hung parliament and then brings in proportional. tories will never be power ever again. what be in power ever again. what rishi with in power sadly, which

said from the start, i mean the reason why sort of believed in liz was her grotesque ethics and she just did it all wrong in the wrong way. but she as i said the liberal party , what's the liberal party, what's the difference between him and labour practises or . all the labour practises or. all the issues in tight suits they got them though they pitched like well at least rishi she was a top. how can i say also keir starmer wear a tie. look the part and you know, be a bit smart place door i think it will them out. well listen this says nothing union fees that's welcome. a great british voice on their opportunity to tell us what they think about this they discussed right today joined discussed right today i'm joined by four of our great british voices start with olivia parry in surrey olivia what do you think then we've to parties think then we've got to parties pretty you think that pretty much. do you think that now tories have any hope now the tories have any hope after way they're behaving ? after the way they're behaving? yes, think it's always yes, i do think it's always available and i agree with many . the other panellists who set this , keir starmer is really this, keir starmer is really born in uninspiring. uninspiring

style. he wants to take away the aspect and he wants to, you know, send their children to independent school if they can afford sets up a business. and rishi is actually growing in confidence. i mean, it's easy your panel to bash him , but your panel to bash him, but actually he's a proven business person. he has taking her boss over the pandemic. person. he has taking her boss over the pandemic . you know, he over the pandemic. you know, he gave a lot of people furlough who would otherwise have to be on benefit . he supports . and on benefit. he supports. and yes, i mean, i think they need to really focus on on the positives . i mean, it was great. positives. i mean, it was great. listen you very much, olivia. let's go to julia . julie shaw. let's go to julia. julie shaw. she's there in bridlington. julie, what do you think i am? well, history suggests a government presided over such a fiscal crisis . well, hang on. fiscal crisis. well, hang on. i win another election. but i think the predictions are more complex that i think rishi

sooner has kept some the labour lead and i think the reason for thatis lead and i think the reason for that is what sa alternative the man the personality of the cabbage he didn't couldn't without an argument name only knows that do to criticise is a tory in a red and then we've got saying that rishi sorry is a labour leader in a blue tie and then we've got rishi a tory in a red tag . i mean now just for us red tag. i mean now just for us really stand up and she always has because we need . a can the has because we need. a can the tories win the next election strange things have happened . strange things have happened. thank you for that. let's go to david boehme. he's there . david boehme. he's there. watford. david, what do you think ? and another i agree with think? and another i agree with lenny cundy that they need to say about immigration, but the one thing the government has to is stop treating this, which is as idiots , not morons. we can

as idiots, not morons. we can actually that's the proper argument about what needs be done, because keir starmer is bonng done, because keir starmer is boring as paper. but he could end up as the prime minister and thatis end up as the prime minister and that is that would be disaster. oh yeah. must be so dumb . oh yeah. must be so dumb. lastly, let's go to jonathan jones. lastly, let's go to jonathan jones . he's there in cornwall. jones. he's there in cornwall. jonathan yeah, i think it's too early to write anyone off . no, early to write anyone off. no, no, i mean , i did a bbc tea no, i mean, i did a bbc tea tasting other day. i thought the world's last year, you guys. but you've been around . well, you you've been around. well, you know, and a lot of the people that will be voting for the tories if they in again will be listening watching you guys and the will change. media's changed everything's changed and i think the sort of horror that they'll be thinking oh my word nigel farage she's going to put together the report but he might actually wake them up and they'll start thinking, you can't taxes to death and it's not our cup of they'll get kicked out but like . boris

kicked out but like. boris johnson always good to see you. thanks for the tea . well this is thanks for the tea. well this is what great british voice. olivia sorry. duty in britain to david in watford and jonathan in cornwall. you so much guys really good to hear your right right. so at home, it's time for you to join me now for our quick fire quiz. and this is the part of the show test my panel on of the show our test my panel on some other stories that some of the other stories that are hitting the headlines right now. by broadcast and now. i'm joined by broadcast and columnist lizzie cundy lesley, who and also consultant who plays and also consultant editor at daily mail. andrew editor at the daily mail. andrew pierce. buzzer, please . pierce. your buzzer, please. right now, remember, don't set pulses before i finish the question. otherwise, you be eliminated, ejected from your seat. let's please play along at home. here's a question . number home. here's a question. number one, harry potter . author home. here's a question. number one, harry potter. author j.k. rowling sent a specific guest to it to a feminist protester who heckled nicholas sturgeon an event. but what that present was it a harry potter series? b, a crate of champagne . c tickets to crate of champagne. c tickets to swan lake at the royal opera house.

swan lake at the royal opera house . lizzie can i see a bit of house. lizzie can i see a bit of a plug ? wilson bit of, yes , yes, a plug? wilson bit of, yes, yes, i think no . oh no, no, sorry. i think no. oh no, no, sorry. kite of champagne. yeah, i'd rather i had the sense of what were you ? i just thought it was were you? i just thought it was be something different. sentencing is. are you theatrical? totally wrong . theatrical? totally wrong. there's a bit of champagne. the heckler shouted. shame on you dunng heckler shouted. shame on you during the speech about tackling violence. that's a nicholas sturgeon speech . she accused sturgeon speech. she accused scotland's first minister of being a fascist over her controversial gender law bill. so, panel, what do you think? do you think that was a great heckle and was just rooted to the spot and had nothing to say because the way she's embraced the trans agenda in scotland is pretty is horrified she's had residents from her frontbench overit. residents from her frontbench over it . she's splitting her own over it. she's splitting her own party. yeah she's facing scotland. well, she's just majority b was going agree majority b was going to agree with weight they with the weight of it. they don't know in don't i don't know anyone in scotland actually likes to be cranky. that this cranky. do you think that this potentially the first nail in that that's she's been there too she's out of touch her ships

sinking ship is sinking right question to naci has invested large sum of money to help develop the landing pads habitats , roads on the moon . but habitats, roads on the moon. but how much have they spent in crisis after wins? firstly she was the first of us to live . was the first of us to live. yes, andrew . £1 billion. yes, andrew. £1 billion. 1 billion receive a half . half billion receive a half. half a billion. 500 million. so i don't know what the answer is . for know what the answer is. for they're terrorists. maybe they're a mile miles anyway, they. enough said newton is neededin they. enough said newton is needed in order to explore the challenges of living on another world. the international space agency has said that they want to build a base on the moon by 2040. would you go and live ? i'd 2040. would you go and live? i'd love to go to the moon. i'll definitely want to live there. i can think of few people i would love. yes, i know you would like to send to the be there though. i don't like flying. i don't like i don't want to go to the moon happy. well there's no

atmosphere i very could choose waiting to do that. well the timing was so awful that on right question from a team of experts i said that the french baguette will get unesco's recognition true or false . yes recognition true or false. yes that was true and those is something that struck gold . so something that struck gold. so let's say you could visit unesco's doing that. why all them doing some waste of time just because the body is famous being a staple of french cuisine is, of course, starting to set a special day to celebrate , move, special day to celebrate, move, calling it open, bake day. do you like baguettes ? no, don't do you like baguettes? no, don't do carbs, darling . not really, no , carbs, darling. not really, no, no.keep carbs, darling. not really, no, no. keep the body like this doing carbs. you still have machinery sighs. oh, can i give you a look, though? is that that if it's the price , the books. if it's the price, the books. oh, they . say how much they oh, they. say how much they could actually question for famous star dua lipa became a

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surprisingly knocked down during the group stages this week was it a holland, b b, c fast finish , c no t i was it a holland, b b, c fast finish ,cnothasyou it a holland, b b, c fast finish , c no t i was you did germany. germany it is germany. you should have been silly. see i because i cheered when i heard it. yes, yes, i what you said earlier but i know enough know that germany got to and i did. i did well i know i shouldn't really let you have that because passed and this sorry passed before and this sorry it's well done. well it's one. oh well done. well done. it's one. oh well done. well done . well everybody yes done. well everybody loses. yes germany failed to qualify for the stage. go to the world the group stage. go to the world cup. this was in part to the shocking against it shocking goods against japan. it this be this tournament could be anyone's to see. think anyone's to go see. i think england could win it. i mean, of all places, qatar , they're all places, qatar, they're playing senegal. i still think i've got a feeling they're going to it. i know to win it. well, i don't know who's going but i want who's going to, but i want england it. well, i'd england to win it. well, i'd like why not? like to see them win. why not? what it on today's show we've what is it on today's show we've been asking, is it ethical for charities discriminate race. charities to discriminate race. according poll, according to our twitter poll, 86% say it is. are 86% of you say yes, it is. are you going say no, yeah, it

you going to say no, yeah, it really 40% say no . and in more really 40% say no. and in more uplifting news , peter kay was uplifting news, peter kay was brought to tears last night, uplifting news, peter kay was brought to tears last night , the brought to tears last night, the opening night, its first live comedy title in 12 years. the comedian was performing at the manchester , kicking off manchester arena, kicking off his tour, the set to go until august next year. i reminder as to there's nothing wrong with . a to there's nothing wrong with. a little bit of fun and laughter. here's my audition for strictly come . i'm . come dancing. i'm. i'm happy bang, bang . thank you so much. bang, bang. thank you so much. my panel was just outside some place after some pulled out of the case. it was off that ghastly england performance against america. but i think alcohol had been consumed . a alcohol had been consumed. a thank you, honey. well, thank you so much for putting this lizzie cundy and also the tale about andrew pierce. thank you so to you, andrew as well . so much to you, andrew as well. and thank you to you at home for your as see you tomorrow

your as ever. i see you tomorrow at discuss the latest at all to discuss the latest stories fraud conference and stories of fraud conference and a a former editor a study. kelly a former editor of label, is peter edwards, of the label, is peter edwards, will joined by award will also be joined by award winning author adele parks. you won't to it, but now i'll won't to miss it, but now i'll leave you with the weather. take care. looking ahead to this evening's weather and the uk is looking cold but cloudy for most with showers affecting eastern . with showers affecting eastern. let's take a look at the. it will be mostly across southwestern england . a mix of southwestern england. a mix of clear spells and scattered showers, chiefly across devon and cornwall . and a keen wind and cornwall. and a keen wind will make it feel rather cold. a northeast breeze across the southeast will make feel cold with coasts being exposed. it will remain rather cloudy but dry and a bit cloudy. will remain rather cloudy but dry and a bit cloudy . wales but dry and a bit cloudy. wales but a few outbreaks are possible, particularly in the west. and there is an outside of an isolated shower rotate, but it will be mostly dry across the midlands on saturday. it will be dry, rather cloudy , but with dry, rather cloudy, but with clear spells, especially the west. there is a chance of a few

showers, mainly in the east and it will feel cold everywhere . an it will feel cold everywhere. an easterly wind will feed showers westwards across north—east and some of these will be heavy and turn wintry in the highest later. rain and drizzle will slowly clear west across north—west scotland throughout the evening . elsewhere, it's the evening. elsewhere, it's generally cloudy with some clear spells and isolated affecting the far east coast . a few the far east coast. a few showers will continue to affect eastern coasts of northern ireland. most places, though , ireland. most places, though, remain dry, with clear spells developing and feeling chilly overnight with lows of four degrees celsius . overnight, degrees celsius. overnight, we'll see further showers , we'll see further showers, mainly in the east, but drier further . and mainly in the east, but drier further. and that's mainly in the east, but drier further . and that's how the further. and that's how the weather is shaping up overnight into morning .