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the stages are out the way and if it can happen. senegal have got a great team . and it's going got a great team. and it's going to one. prediction to be a tough one. prediction three one england is way too . three one england is way too. what to me.7 so i'm going to go to one, maybe all for extra time, i'll in so time, then i'll be in tears. so let's talk. yeah, but hopefully no penalties preparations no penalties and preparations are well underway for king charles's coronation, which takes in just 150 days. the st edward's crown has now been removed from the tower of london to be resized. it's was kept secret . it was safely delivered secret. it was safely delivered . the ceremony on may the sixth is expected to be much smaller than the queen's coronation. around 2000 guests are expected instead of 8000. commentator michael cole told us the crown was warned by king charles. the second. now crown is quite interesting. it's used only once interesting. it's used only once in every reign. it weighs pounds and. before her coronation .

and. before her coronation. dufing and. before her coronation. during the second 19th 53. and i do remember it. the queen walked around the palace and obviously our day clothes getting used to it because it is quite a technique keep it steady straight. this is gb news the people's channel. we'll bring you more as it happens. let's get straight back to nina . get straight back to nina. hello good afternoon. it is fast approaching 6 minutes after 4:00. you're with me . i'm aware 4:00. you're with me. i'm aware this is a gb news on tv online and on digital radio now. no sooner has one narcissistic adventure finished . another adventure finished. another chapter begins. adventure finished. another chapter begins . we've got our chapter begins. we've got our wives. meghan telling us how amazing she is. and we've got harry's whinge fest in january . harry's whinge fest in january. the cards. but next week this is coming our way.

the cards. but next week this is coming our way . why did you want coming our way. why did you want to make this documentary .7 well, to make this documentary? well, for money , of course, that's why for money, of course, that's why they do everything . we'll be they do everything. we'll be treated to the first in a series, a fly on the wall type, heavily edited, best bits in the life of the markle's . let's be life of the markle's. let's be honest. meghan's not going to let anything go out that doesn't portray them all as victims . portray them all as victims. it's apparently not even filmed in their home. the reason why their director quit is hardly . their director quit is hardly. and if it's anything like the housewives podcast, it may crash and burn . no one sees what's and burn. no one sees what's happening behind doors . well, happening behind doors. well, that's pretty obvious . no one that's pretty obvious. no one sees behind what's closed doors . i mean, let's be honest . and . i mean, let's be honest. and of course, they released the trailer in the same week that william and catherine touring

the us. nice my favourite part of the trailer, which unfortunately already been played well. the best is the bit where well you got looking well, not a best in westminster abbey doing a commonwealth service. look at meghan belinda. apparently it was taken after a disagreement over seating plan. yes, meghan is at the back again. but listen to the sound effect of the knives as to everything i could to protect my family . when the stakes family. when the stakes. we'll try again . knives. we'll come try again. knives. we'll come back to that . i want to see. back to that. i want to see. these two will stop at nothing. it's relentless . in the sun. it it's relentless. in the sun. it was reported that the palace said it was very, very . said that it was very, very. you're not wrong. i mean. the comments came as the duke and duchess were yesterday accused of breaching protocol taking duchess were yesterday accused ofprivate ing protocol taking duchess were yesterday accused ofprivate photographer taking duchess were yesterday accused ofprivate photographer into ling a private photographer into buckingham palace to take a picture that actually

picture that is actually included netflix . the included in the netflix. the goal envious path. i'll goal of this envious path. i'll suggest king charles strips them of their titles as in my view, these two with them meticulously plan strategy a playing on the weaknesses love that the rest of the family towards them and the guilt that charles feels the loss their mother, diana. i'm loss of their mother, diana. i'm afraid if harry and meghan are prepared a prepared to release a pre—recorded interview whilst prince ill and dying, prince philip is ill and dying, and they're prepared to see they're not prepared see the they're not prepared to see the queen. clearly ill. queen. it was clearly very ill. and sadly , they will stop at and sadly, they will stop at nothing . they talk about the nothing. they talk about the high stakes. what stakes ? high stakes. what stakes? they've got nothing left to lose. dignity out with the oprah winfrey interview. oh, i get it. the stakes. they're driving through the heart of the monarchy in the hope destroying the institution. only thing is their very commercial existence on it. to succeed . so before we on it. to succeed. so before we get stuck into debate here's what else is coming up today for

the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, should dominic be to veto parole for be allowed to veto parole for serious according serious? according to the statistics , justice secretary statistics, justice secretary dominic raab has prevented dozens of criminals deemed to be serious from moving to open prison. now, this comes as the proposed new law could give him the power to veto the parole of around about 100 of the most dangerous . is around about 100 of the most dangerous. is this dangerous. but is this right? then 458 worldview view i'll be heading across the atlantic to go to the latest on prince william and kate's visit stateside, where they met u.s. stateside, where they met us. president joe biden. i'll also be getting the lowdown on on today how the world match between england and senegal may pan out. and the five, it's time for outside the dow. you've got to guess. it's a renowned author now. she has published 22 bestselling novels the last 22 years, and she's sold over 4 million copies of her books in the u.k. her novels focus on issues of love and fidelity. anyone guess who this might be ? anyone guess who this might be? we'll reveal that later on. that's on the way in the next houn that's on the way in the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing

email gbnews.uk email abuse at gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. right. tweet me at. gb news. right. let's welcome again my fabulous panel let's welcome again my fabulous panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly , also journalist danny kelly, also former editor of the label is pizza edwards. well, welcome . pizza edwards. well, welcome. patty's to my regular thing . you patty's to my regular thing. you were on last night like the thing is unforgivable but we find that it started to have you back.i find that it started to have you back. i want to start with my friend danny the. and then we'll make somebody the oscar wilde. is that what the podcast spotlights? that's oh, i see. you've put a spin on. you know, i think i. i'm one of the few people on gb news who doesn't have a pathological hatred for this. hold on a sec. let me . no, this. hold on a sec. let me. no, no, i didn't say you . i got you. no, i didn't say you. i got you. well, yes, i think pathological hatred is too weak . a word hatred is too weak. a word nofice hatred is too weak. a word notice not about that you notice from not about that you can't say that about people who aren't. it's a no no. but it seems to come out of shop. a lot of hatred is, by of hatred. well, hatred is, by its nature. think its very nature. i don't think you can. i don't think. over the

course a definition. used it course of a definition. used it . and i'm saying no one has a right. well, we've gone down a cul de sac that we've to the semantic cul de sac. i'm going to reserve judgement. i really am. and if there's a story that evolves . prince harry bearing am. and if there's a story that evolves. prince harry bearing in mind i'm royalist i travel down on the train for the midlands to spend 8 hours queuing to see the queen lying in state. i'm a royalist . i love the royal royalist. i love the royal family, but also i'm a journalist. and if there is a story that needs be exposed, then should be . now, then i think it should be. now, in the inference in your monologue the inference was that it could be the end of the royal family the the royal family or the institution. was a institution. well, there was a reference that so. so if they reference to that so. so if they carry on that. well carry on like that. well you could your monologue, you could so in your monologue, you know, end of know, the extra is the end of this institution . and i hope this institution. and i hope that we don't see that. if that we don't see that. but if there is story that needs to there is a story that needs to be then eric dirty laundry be told. then eric dirty laundry in and i think it should in public and i think it should be told. do you think the ongoing drip, drip, drip, though , obviously are , because obviously they are family they are people. they're not people that know not just people that know anything. are actually anything. they are actually people who. they are people. so

do think that the constant, do you think that the constant, you about you know, telling stories about the and, constant the family and, constant complaining, are they making money i mean, money of that complaint? i mean, surely any you that upon surely any you that comes upon you think , stop, what you you think, stop, what are you doing family ? don't doing to your family? i don't know . full context of why he's know. full context of why he's doing it. he's an intelligent man i think since piers man now. i think since piers morgan gave that appraisal of the oprah winfrey interview, i think the whole country i think the polarised the country i think it reinforced negative for people of other dislike to harry and meghan and it made it more toxic. i'd like to see the balance and really forward to it. the drip drip drip feed us as you explain that monetise the story now and so netflix have deliberately they've orchestrated a perfect calendar of when to release things so you have as you said you have this shot kate scowling but was it westminster abbey? well, that's they were supposed to because i don't think somebody wasn't happy with the seating arrangements and it was making bowls at the back. when i first saw my jaw dropped, i saw that, my jaw dropped, i

thought, they've really got it in. i'm not just kate, kate and william. sorry, catherine i think we would like to. catherine, forgive. yes. what do you think, peter? i what you're going say? you can ask going to say? well, you can ask question. okay. i'll question. no, no. okay. i'll give i'll give you my site give you. i'll give you my site and i think made some bad and i think you've made some bad decisions. your decisions. i thought of your intro unkind . the intro were a bit unkind. the also joke that they've made some poor decisions . the one hand poor decisions. the one hand william harry lost their mother at a very young age in dreadful . must an impact on . that must have an impact on your forever. and well, i'm not a person of colour. i don't doubt for a moment meghan has suffered racism various times throughout she throughout her life, and she really think , really distressing. i think, where they've been poorly. and harry course , hero harry of course, a war hero where been poorly where they've been poorly advised is to is where you ended up which is giving a running commentary on things you don't like. well prince philip was in his last years . and, you know, his last years. and, you know, the queen's was a shock in a sense . but she is obviously sense. but she is obviously extremely old. and the running commentary and a drip, drip of negative news stories continued. i think it would have been nice

to give both the queen the duke of edinburgh a bit of quiet in their final years. the other worry what diana alluded to, that having moved to canada , that having moved to canada, america to and in need of a greater private life , they're greater private life, they're now monetising that private in the media and it's not just, you know, i don't think we're paying for any more, as far as i can tell. they're free to make their own choices , but i think it's own choices, but i think it's actually bad for them and i think seem quite yet think they seem quite happy. yet the decisions making don't to be making them any happier and. i certainly think the documentary is not going to be good for anyone. no i think that actually that's very succinctly and very i very diplomatically. but actually i think that's what a lot of people are saying. it's not that they don't like meghan and harry, it's just that . why and harry, it's just that. why would you do that ? your family would you do that? your family and also meghan's family herself, she really have any contact with her own father who had a stroke. she's by accounts so far, we haven't heard she's even contacted him. i mean , i

even contacted him. i mean, i just think hang on a minute. that that's you. that's your father . there difficult father. there are difficult relations families, aren't there? of course, you some people go to their dying day the death, but without reconciling . death, but without reconciling. and so we mustn't underestimate. well, i don't think we can look at through prism of selves at it through a prism of selves sitting here talking about. so there's obviously something that's happened fairly cataclysmic . she's just a nasty cataclysmic. she's just a nasty of work. who is it? was we don't know. we don't. i'm who was just chasing money and fame . yeah. chasing money and fame. yeah. now i've i've heard fabulous interviews on this radio station with her half sister who suggests that's possibly more possibly more correct. something a nasty piece of work. so she's chastened. she's the hollywood actress. she's chasing prince harry. i doubt all of our stories. i remember she said that she never even heard of prince harry until she met him. forgive me. come on. come on. the most famous family in the world that prince harry you world and that prince harry you alluded to, i wouldn't say was a hero the way, anyone who hero by the way, anyone who serves think heroes people

serves think heroes of people who the front line and have who go the front line and have bullets , bullets. and i have bullets, bullets. and i have well, i don't think he has because his his his you know, how many bullets that peter's faced . oh, yeah. he should be faced. oh, yeah. he should be slaughtered, though though . slaughtered, though though. that's his job in the military was heavily managed he wasn't put in many dangerous and in facti put in many dangerous and in fact i think the people around him were in more danger because he was a target, because he was a bullet mark in the end he shouldn't. that shouldn't. my view is that actually better that actually it would be better that he because it he didn't do that because it puts the others in more danger and there's more. i'd rather and there's more. so i'd rather you and you hadn't done that. and i don't him as a because don't see him as a hero because i think had other people i think he had other people protecting him while they're to do i think he'd do theirjobs. i think he'd probably something at probably be a bit something at this way i saw this this in the way i saw this behaviour. think behaviour. i know i don't think it's can see, i it's acceptable. i can see, i can see very clearly that. first of thing on oprah was of all, the thing on oprah was awful would you that? awful why would you do that? especially is especially if prince philip is dying. did say that they dying. they did say that they liked philip. so that liked prince philip. so that doesn't right, especially doesn't feel right, especially and like the queen. so knowing prince philip her partner, prince philip is her partner, why do know, why would you do you know, there's too many things that

where have in where they have behaved in a manner suggests they manner that suggests that they are vengeance. and there are out for vengeance. and there are out for vengeance. and there are many books there with events and explanations of their behaviour that seem to suggest that they aren't very nice. why do they want revenge ? that's do they want revenge? that's going to come out in the netflix series. well, if you series. if you see well, if you see title , harry's book, see the title, harry's book, spare obviously not very spare is obviously not very happy about the second in line. and it's a difficult role to play and it's a difficult role to play you've got to try play because you've got to try not to jealous you not to be jealous because you wouldn't be you're not wouldn't be because you're not the going to the the one who's going to be the king vengeance. king i wouldn't say vengeance. i think unhappy. they're frustrated. they're airing that all in public. but, you know what? as danny , every family is what? as danny, every family is different. and can't know what's going on behind the scenes . going on behind the scenes. generally, talking about intimate or family issues publicly and then making a move about movie, about it doesn't really help anyone . and i'm really help anyone. and i'm mystified. i wouldn't condemn them, but i'm mystified why they do it and why they carry on doing it. it's sort of like jerry springer. so a jeremy kyle

types, we're to find out. you don't need to be doing that. they don't need to be doing that sort thing. but know sort of thing. but don't know until side of the until you hear their side of the story heard so many sides story we've heard so many sides and half don't seem to and half of them don't seem to be as meghan at be very true. as meghan says at the end, wouldn't you want the end, why wouldn't you want to truth from those to hear the truth from those involved? those involved involved? because those involved keep making stuff up, frankly, there's inconsistencies keep making stuff up, frankly, th

she's black , so she's both. she's also black, so she's both. so i suppose you can choose if you want. i think it's you want. i don't think it's about she's you know she all about she's you know she i'm all i'm things in her cv she did say she was apparently what she was apparently this is what we she put in we hear that she put in caucasian. don't but caucasian. well don't know but well they said mean well that's what they said mean i don't know i've no idea but me while think lot of their while i think a lot of their decisions recent years being quite unreasonable, decisions recent years being quite that unreasonable, decisions recent years being quite that meghan�*asonable, decisions recent years being quite that meghan has1able, decisions recent years being quite that meghan has faced suggest that meghan has faced prejudice . oh no, i don't think prejudice. oh no, i don't think that's a reasonable at all. fair enough. fair enough . i mean, enough. fair enough. i mean, that's that's pretty obvious. most colour will most people colour will have faced prejudice. in faced some sort of prejudice. in fact will face some fact most people will face some level of prejudice at some point. well if just i point. right. well if just i mean welcome on board i'm nana akua this news on tv online akua this a gb news on tv online and on digital radio. after the break, time great break, it is time the great british this hour. british debate this hour. and i'm asking, should dominic raab be parole for be allowed to veto parole for serious criminals? now, according statistics , according to the statistics, justice secretary dominic raab stopped criminals deemed to be from moving to open prisons. now this comes as the new law could give him the power to veto the parole of around 100 of the most

dangerous inmates. parole of around 100 of the most dangerous inmates . but is this dangerous inmates. but is this right? joining some of your thoughts, you know, tv views that gbnews.uk 0h thoughts, you know, tv views that gbnews.uk oh tweet me at gb news. i've got a pull up right. asking that very question. should raab be allowed to veto for serious criminals ? cast your for serious criminals? cast your vote. we're back after this .

good afternoon. is this fast approaching 23 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are live on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua based here for our great british debate this hour. i'm asking should dominic raab be allowed to veto parole for serious ? now this all parole for serious? now this all comes as the telegraph have revealed that statistics show that the justice secretary has taken a tough approach to parole by blocking large numbers of criminals and serious leaving

secured jails to open prisons . secured jails to open prisons. now new legislation is set to allow dominic raab to have the power to override to 100 of the most dangerous criminals the criminals at the parole board . criminals at the parole board. now, this includes murderers , now, this includes murderers, rapists and child killers . and rapists and child killers. and last summer, nine in ten parole board recommendations to transfer prisoners from secure to open prisoners were accepted . so the majority happened . . so the majority happened. however, data showed that the ministry of justice rejected nine in ten recommend sessions by the board representing the near complete from 90% of the recommendations approved previously . so that doesn't make previously. so that doesn't make much sense to me . i previously. so that doesn't make much sense to me. i think basically a lot of people were rejected when it came to having their parole accepted. so on the most serious offenders, including those life life sentences, who considered for moves to prisons , this has been moves to prisons, this has been slashed by 80% following a tightening the rules and this a

major attempt by the government ensure greater public safety following numerous escapes by criminals in prisons, as well as major parole board scandals such as allowing the release of infamous child killer colin pitchfork . so what do you think pitchfork. so what do you think of the weapons debate this hour? i'm asking dominic raab be allowed to veto parole , serious allowed to veto parole, serious criminals. i'm joined now by former convict and current business and entrepreneur winston davies. winston, thank you very much for joining me. you very much forjoining me. i hate in an era yeah. so what do you think dominic raab justice secretary he's going have the power now because you saw it with that awful situation where in my view there's no way he should even be given parole. yeah. and what you think about that. yeah, was, know, that. yeah, but was, you know, unfortunately they unfortunately you know they should overrule should be able to overrule actually if actually ourselves that if somebody has killed children , somebody has killed children, committed rape, things like that , i think far away. the key and that's it. him, however , are that's it. him, however, are execution . i don't know about execution. i don't know about how far you go from execution. that's another conversation but

certainly not finished well out of prison full stop. that's if you've done that. there's no going back for me. however, if in this we are going to in this country we are going to let people out of prison and are going to say that they can rehabilitate and they can come out of especially these out of especially at these longer serious criminals here . longer serious criminals here. it should be down to the prison service, the parole board who work with them on a day to day basis. know these prisoners. you understand and they've got training, experience, education than a government board or panel or raab being able to say that they should veto it . they don't they should veto it. they don't have any experience in education, but sometimes these parole seem to make ridiculous decisions . and even anyone with decisions. and even anyone with a half common sense can see that thatis a half common sense can see that that is the wrong decision. so should not be an ability for somebody above oversee the whole thing and, actually make a decision that could be a in the public's interest because that's what it feels like but should be

somebody who's got the experience within prison service, who deals with offenders , who understands offenders, who understands reoffending and rehabilitation , reoffending and rehabilitation, not an who doesn't have experience just because public opinion and got pressure for the pubuc opinion and got pressure for the public to say stop it. i mean looks i'm quite happily stop all of them but if you are going to let them out, then it shouldn't be down to a, you know, an mp to be down to a, you know, an mp to be able make decision. be able to make that decision. but they but we've already got we've already got that the parole board are that they are the who are overseeing. the people who are overseeing. and to me and these are it feels to me like making some like they are making some obvious, errors. there obvious, simple errors. there are many errors in. the prison system, the prison service, full stop. they are in a whole scale change need to be made. the parole board and the prison service. you know, i think a bigger have at moment bigger issue to have at moment is they've got people sitting on extended deterrents sentences where they have to do to further sentence . then have see sentence. then they have to see a board, see not, a parole board, see or not, they're to to they're allowed to go to open conditions rehabilitate they're allowed to go to open conditofis rehabilitate they're allowed to go to open conditof those rehabilitate they're allowed to go to open conditof those offenders ate they're allowed to go to open conditof those offenders who are some of those offenders who are deemed too dangerous to go to

open conditions at the end of that last sentence, they allowed the crazy , the prison gate. that is crazy, really. his attention be on actually focusing what happens to people when they're he should be looking at what happens to people who serve their entire sentence . just say this person sentence. just say this person is awful . they serve their is awful. they serve their entire sentence . so there's no entire sentence. so there's no way you can still keep them in. then they go out and they haven't proper haven't had any proper rehabilitation. that's that's that the that's the that that's the that's the problem only problem because actually only one in 200 offenders that get released from a parole decision re—offend . okay. we'll say re—offend. okay. we'll say thing, because i'm going to have a chat now with former party mep ben habib . ben, thank you so ben habib. ben, thank you so much for joining ben habib. ben, thank you so much forjoining me. now up at labour's shadow justice secretary reed said the secretary steve reed said the pubuc secretary steve reed said the public will rightly be worried about the lack detail about about the lack of detail about these reforms and delays these reforms and the delays involved the for them and involved in the for them and victims of failed by the government for the last 12 years. i mean a lot of people saying that and longer than that actually voices actually to have their voices heard this heard so what you make of this suggests that dominic raab or somebody like say a justice

secretary would potentially be able to veto a decision by parole board . well, the first parole board. well, the first thing to say is he would be exercising a veto. he hasn't a part to actually make the decision release, which is a positive decision you like. he's got a negative control . what the got a negative control. what the parole board does and that's not unusual for secretaries of state. you have that in lots of different sectors where the secretary of state has the power to actually intercede and prevent from happening when a lower body has adjudication and or decided in favour of it. lower body has adjudication and or decided in favour of it . and or decided in favour of it. and i'm actually delighted . see what i'm actually delighted. see what dominic raab is doing because what we what been lacking terribly in criminal justice system is a sense that the criminal justice system is working, that serious criminals brought to justice. i'm going to come back that in a second and that once they've been brought to justice, they get an appropriate sentence and they serve their sentences . but just serve their sentences. but just before i go onto criminal justice system, more broadly,

you know, the point here , he is you know, the point here, he is merely vetoing recommends and he is not positively releasing dangerous criminals prison and it's good to see the government taking this because at the end the day in order to make the criminal justice system work, people to believe the law public have to believe that they be caught and they will be punished if they break the law . and it's if they break the law. and it's high time that we got that message back in the public's circulation and, you know, the best way to do it is we can it by the severity of punishment, but the best way to ensure crime drops is people know that if they commit crimes, they will face justice and the moment that's where we really fail as a country, i'm slightly digressing . it's hugely important . you . it's hugely important. you know, serious crimes at least 7% result in an arrest and only half i think less than half of thatis half i think less than half of that is result in charges brought. and then about percent

of the remainder get so about 2 to 3% at most of serious crimes ever result in a conviction and that has changed . we're that has changed. we're beginning to see great. then would you say that to winston suggestion that somebody like dominic raab in a position like that as an shouldn't be really the one making these decisions . the one making these decisions. got to bring winston in as well, but he's not making a decision. he's not making a decision to release. a decision release. he's making a decision to veto. yeah. and that's very different. and i think it's you're right that secretary of state that. right. okay well, bnng state that. right. okay well, bring winston in because you know, because winston , you were know, because winston, you were saying i mean, just just, you know, just reiterate it to ben for me if you. yeah. i mean , the for me if you. yeah. i mean, the issue is, is that dominic raab not have the qualifications , the not have the qualifications, the education or the experience to be able to make the decision or have an opinion on whether or not someone should be released from prison. that should be left

to professionals who deal to the professionals who deal with but with these offenders. but he's not that decision . not making that decision. winston got a right, winston he only got a right, veto it and use the secretary of state advises . yeah, but what state advises. yeah, but what qualifies ben to be able to do that? this is my. it's a veto. it's a veto. it's as if he's interfering in the criminal justice and extending sentences, unilateral to people from . we unilateral to people from. we know it's a veto, but we're saying is winston is saying is he's not actually physically involved in the rehabilitation or even any of the care of this prisoner. so whether he's stopping or getting involved , stopping or getting involved, whatever, whether he's vetoing . whatever, whether he's vetoing. why should he be the one that should be doing that is what it's but it's absolutely right. he's final brake. has he's the final brake. he has advisors. notion that he's advisors. the notion that he's an uneducated backbencher mp making decisions of a significant nature in the lives of these prisoners who would otherwise be in open prisons or east is not right this is a man who set a new state for justice

has he's surrounded by advisers and they are scrutinising the recommendations made by the parole board. and there's a much bigger issue here. we've got instil confidence back in the criminal justice system. we're seeing a breakdown it across the united kingdom at the moment. i don't think necessarily that is where that where can make a really significant difference to the confidence in our system i think that has to be done at the policing end of it which is a sadly failing in my view, at moment. but this is this in my view, is a step in the right. witness yeah. sorry, sorry ben. i mean, you talk about you , i mean, you talk about you, know, inspiring confidence in british public . dominic raab british public. dominic raab with the man that was overseeing or his advisors or team, whoever it was, oversee being the wife of a us diplomat who killed a teenagerin of a us diplomat who killed a teenager in 2019 coming out of a us intelligence base in northamptonshire and allowed them to use that diplomatic immunity to leave the country . immunity to leave the country. that doesn't instil confidence

in the british public . well, i in the british public. well, i mean, that's a very specific case where diplomatic immunity was invoked . and, you know, was invoked. and, you know, i don't think that's symptomatic of the breakdown that we see for with the albanian celebration of independence in parliament square the other day, bringing the whole area to a close and the whole area to a close and the police not doing about it, just stop oil vandalising paintings, buildings bringing traffic to a halt, getting away with it, sticking themselves to the think in the long term we need not. i think. what i'm saying, ben, is that actually the dominic raab does not have the dominic raab does not have the hands on experience to be able to be vetoing . and as with able to be vetoing. and as with the case of this this young boy who was killed again when it was down to the just accept as justice secretary, nothing was done.i justice secretary, nothing was done. i mean , somebody was done. i mean, somebody was allowed to evade justice is what he's saying. that's the point or that was diplomatic. i'm not

familiar enough with the detail on the north surrounding that could be able to an opinion but i see nothing wrong with the secretary of state whatever that discipline is i think a right of veto you have it across not two different departments in planning for example it's all in the planning decision and. we're running out of time, but we've got go to the knees. thank you so thank you so much for so much thank you so much for your that's ben habib your thoughts. that's ben habib . much, ben. he's . thank you very much, ben. he's the mep and the former brexit party mep and also a business owner and entrepreneur, winston , thank you entrepreneur, winston, thank you so much. thank you. thank you. right. you're with me on another record. this is a gb news on onune record. this is a gb news on online and on digital radio . online and on digital radio. still to come, the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, should dominic raab be allowed to veto it for all to see his criminals? you'll hear the thoughts broadcaster thoughts. my panel, broadcaster and john kelly. i'll former editor of the label is edwards. then at 5:00 in this week's outside , you do not want to miss outside, you do not want to miss today's guest a world renowned author now she's published 22 novels and sold over 4 million

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includes murderers, rapists and child killer . potentially he child killer. potentially he could say no , they're not coming could say no, they're not coming out now . summer nine in ten out now. summer nine in ten parole board recommendations to transfer prisoners from secure to open prisons were accepted, so the majority were accepted when it came to being removed from a secure prison to somewhere that's open . however, somewhere that's open. however, data said that the ministry of justice rejected nearly nine in ten recommendations by parole boards, representing a near complete reversal . the 90% complete reversal. the 90% recommendations approved previously by my panel look confused will be revealed . now confused will be revealed. now the most serious offenders, including with life sentences, who considered for moves to open prison . there is have been prison. there is have been slashed by 80% following a tightening of the rules. so for the great british debate. so i'm asking should dominic raab actually have the power to be able to veto parole for serious criminal ? able to veto parole for serious criminal? what do you think? let's what my panel make of that

i'm joined now by broadcast journalist danny kelly , former journalist danny kelly, former editor of labour analyst editor of the labour analyst edwards. i'm going to start with you, peter. what do you think ? you, peter. what do you think? so there's quite a few different cases emerged, what's your cases emerged, but what's your view overall the situation ? view overall on the situation? need public confidence in the criminal justice system? as i understand it, there is a right for justice secretary for the justice secretary to call already. and as call some cases already. and as your contributor said, that opens up departments as well, like in communities where they can a planning can look at a planning application around housing. but this looking at this is an expansion looking at more , having a second more cases, having a second opinion versus a parole board . i opinion versus a parole board. i don't think the government have fully made the case for it and i know with the background, but you've got legislation to create the parole board , they'll have the parole board, they'll have terms reference and then your terms of reference and then your point. skilled individuals to that so something there is going wrong and there's a worry and i don't want to make partisan because there is your kind of interest show this is an issue about public safety and competence in the system rather than about individuals. but

there can always be a bit of a worry that an elected politician making this type of decision can be swayed by public opinion or what they read in the newspapers or the newspapers. they're close to . for example, and i've to. for example, and i've watched you and i, boris government did the law in government did break the law in other areas in recent like breaking a parliament. so what i'd say is well they've all done i'd say is well they've all done i mean tony blair's parliament lots of done it. tony blair didn't prorogue parliament. it's still managers now. yeah. so let's go down that route. let's not go down that route. but you said but what i say. well you said you it. i don't go down you started it. i don't go down that route. you start what you would want to look. think the would want to look. i think the government hasn't made a case for it. clearly, stuff does go wrong occasionally. parole board . and there's big pushback from parts of the print media especially. i think we need especially. but i think we need to understand the reasons why. because more because if you put more discretionary power in the hands of politicians , that's only of politicians, that's only because you don't trust because you don't have trust in the system. so why do we trust them at all. it's stunning. what is. in, is. i'm a massive believer in, rehabilitation. and i understand

that the prison system can work . prison isn't a cushy no matter how many videos you may on youtube of prisoners with smuggled in mobile phones, smoking hash and everything, the gritty reality is to be locked behind the door for 23 hours a day, as they call it . that's not day, as they call it. that's not a good experience. so whoever killed you that they have a playstation, they have a telly , playstation, they have a telly, believe me, they would much rather have the liberty sentencing wise with . dominic sentencing wise with. dominic raabi sentencing wise with. dominic raab i believe that you're right to some extent. peter my view, there's a bit of red meat being to right wing papers , lock them to right wing papers, lock them up for life coloured pitchfork . up for life coloured pitchfork. how does he have a cushy ride in a cut sea prison which is a cushy ride compared to qatar. he's if . the offence is he's uncut bs if. the offence is so agreed chris and unforgivable . this will be i guess going back history and going through these cases then think so long as dominic raab is advised correctly. i have no sympathy for jackasses like colin

pitchfork he can rot away for what i think was a child killer . that right? yes. i have no sympathy for i don't i feel uncomfortable if dominic raab starts to get involved with i'm not minimising using this as a crime but it's like bank robbers who who've spent 15 years behind bars. now bank i think there's a fresh and blue water , whatever fresh and blue water, whatever that expression is, between paedophilia and certain other crimes. so i would feel and comfort with dominic raab all of a sudden saying, oh, on, no a sudden saying, oh, hang on, no natwest 85, i want another ten years on that. but there are some crimes. well it's more it's , more a veto. so if they're , more of a veto. so if they're going to be released, he can say no, i you've got wrong and no, i think you've got wrong and you can this another ten you can put it this another ten years years. of years or ten years. well, of course . well, what danny course. well, i think what danny not perhaps really not saying is perhaps not really miles apart when there's issues , pubuc , public safety, public confidence , complexity, and in confidence, complexity, and in many , the failings of many cases, the failings of bereaved families as well, putting all that in the hands of a politician who's 100 other things to deal with every week

will they really have the time and the resources to devote to that or is at they'll be that or is at risk they'll be swayed public opinion when swayed by public opinion when one great virtues of the one of the great virtues of the british justice system is it is generally is in is not swayed by what goes on in westminster. yeah.i what goes on in westminster. yeah. i mean the other worry is obviously with the changing the guard all the time, the different politicians coming in and out, i mean the tories at many different secretaries. many different home secretaries. how what justice how many what justice secretaries and so on and so forth a short space of forth. such a short space of time there'll no consistency time there'll be no consistency as well. so there that well. as well. so there that as well. i agree that well on i actually agree that well on handi i actually agree that well on hand i actually think that i quite the fact that somebody else could oversee the parole board and make a decision outside the decision that they've made because i think they've made because i think they've made because i think they've made so many errors and so misjudgements that seem so many misjudgements that seem clear to us as the general pubuc clear to us as the general public looking at it, that i actually on this occasion think there should be someone like dominic kind of outside of dominic raab kind of outside of it making a decision. but there is some , understand for is some, as i understand it, for that already . we're talking that already. we're talking about expansion. yeah and

about an expansion. yeah and i and i, i think it's a good idea. you mentioned that your panel looked a little bit confused. nine out of ten parole interviews are granted , yet the interviews are granted, yet the ministry of justice pushed on 90% of those one. so. so one of them isn't fit for purpose. which one is which one is right? and one is wrong? well, that's that's question, isn't it. which one is why. because peter alluded the that a parole alluded the fact that a parole board highly trained who board are highly trained who will fed over the years will be drip fed over the years to behaviour and the, if you like, the mental state of the convict coming up for parole and you would think that they were in a better place to. decide whether someone deserves to go to down a akatsi prison or an open. forgive me, i mentioned cuts open prison. if cuts early. an open prison. if like the most liberal of all the prisons , i think you can even prisons, i think you can even like of you don't even like sort of you don't even need to your prison at to lock your your prison at night. cell door you go for night. the cell door you go for wander town and wander around town and everything. feel very everything. i'd feel very uncomfortable, to. uncomfortable, comparable to. well, most of us would feel uncomfortable. well, listen, this without you in this is nothing without you in your let's our

your views. let's welcome our great voice on your great british voice on your opportunity show opportunity to be on the show and what really and tell us what you really think about the topics we're discussing, what wish we had to go to northwest he's go to both northwest yeah. he's got to manchester the got a boat to manchester the voice . jess gill. jess good to voice. jess gill. jess good to talk to you. thank you so much for joining us. so what do you forjoining us. so what do you think, dominic raab, should he have sort power, it have that sort of power, it should extended so that he should be extended so that he can more. those decisions should be extended so that he can by more. those decisions should be extended so that he can by parolethose decisions should be extended so that he can by parole boards ecisions should be extended so that he can by parole boards .cisions should be extended so that he can by parole boards . you ns should be extended so that he can by parole boards . you know, made by parole boards. you know, i say this nowadays, but for i actually agree with the tories. i think the conservative needs to turn to policy of law and order and. i think this is a way so criminals get justice that victims of their crimes get and the checks and balances within the checks and balances within the system, i think more checks balances can only be a good thing and i think whether that's dominic raab a say over that, i think that's a good thing because i don't want the public feeling unsafe and i think to the public's confidence isn't there we've with crime at the moment . no i there we've with crime at the moment. no i think

there we've with crime at the moment . no i think you're moment. no i think you're absolutely spot on with that just you very much for joining me. that's just guilty you say both. she's a great british voice what you've been voice let's see what you've been saying the phrase says, saying then. the phrase says, yes, we have really bad justice systems it is systems in this country. it is it is the punishment it as it is the punishment usually never fits. the crime is it? why do they get to do what two of the sentence or two thirds of the sentence or something. yeah that's thematically sort of that, that's like, oh, let's just put the dipstick there, you know, the dipstick in there, you know, but my why but if behave my boss, why what's the point of saying, look, you've got 50 years, then say, you know what, not really, you're be in you're only going to be in dangen you're only going to be in danger. should be if danger. statement should be if you dont you behave, you don't any longer. years that should longer. the 15 years that should be inducement but be the inducement for. but then you to up the prison. you going to clog up the prison. well, then you need more prisons as or execution rid of as it or execution to get rid of some them. well you in i some of them. well you in i don't that i do exec . i don't believe that i do exec. i do. i do. i believe the death penalty. yes i do. cos otherwise what's wrong with that? because we're , it's not our role we're not god, it's not our role to do well that's not their role to do well that's not their role to else either. to kill somebody else either. it's way it goes. it's it's not the way it goes. it's just that if it were in the animal kingdom and they'd killed in that the animals would

probably in my probably kill that. so in my view, somebody like an view, somebody behaves like an animal then and then they've gone level of gone beyond any level of rehabilitation. then i'm not i'd want pay them. i don't want to pay for them. i don't think courts role is to behave as an animal. well, it's not about it's punishment, about what if it's punishment, it's punish people about what if it's punishment, it's crimes punish people about what if it's punishment, it's crimes that punish people about what if it's punishment, it's crimes that they nish people about what if it's punishment, it's crimes that they committed . for crimes that they committed. and are beyond and if they are beyond rehabilitation, what the rehabilitation, what is the point. if kill you point. but if you kill him, you not going allow not going to allow rehabilitation. well, if failed. so beyond so they are beyond rehabilitation, which is what i've said. yeah how you i've just said. yeah how do you know beyond know that? beyond rehabilitation. unless they rehabilitate, rehabilitate and they view i'll take a they and in my view i'll take a judgement and i have on judgement and i have people on a jury judgement and i have people on a jury making a decision on that like other . but the like any other. but the rehabilitation got nothing to do with the con of with position. what's the con of what is rehabilitation takes what it is rehabilitation takes in prison. you're saying is in prison. what you're saying is that going stop them before that going to stop them before they to prison. are they get to prison. if they are deemed by it's just that they are beyond rehabilitate then yes. thati are beyond rehabilitate then yes. that i would have yes. i think that i would have absolutely lots of absolutely agree that lots of countries do it and i don't think anything with think anything wrong with it, well, judicial system . see well, the judicial system. see what says. ben says the what ben says. ben says the system be strong enough system should be strong enough to not need the interference of

politicians who only have their own political case in mind with every decision they make. and janet secretary janet says the secretary of state do that then what's state can't do that then what's the point of having them a cabinet needs that cabinet minister needs that power overrule servants? power overrule civil servants? i'm on that absolutely that i'm with on that absolutely that he's just doing me i'm done okay this is tv news where live on tv online. on digital. right. still come after the break world i'm going across the pond to all the latest on prince william and catherine's visit stateside where they met the us president, joe biden. all of that is on the way off to this .

afternoon. i'm nana akua this is if is were live now it is time for world view that of course you can download the gb news app . you can catch up with everything that have on the channel. now the world cup is

well underway. england will face senegal evening in the last senegal this evening in the last 16 up today is england's 16 coming up today is england's game we've got political correspond danny armstrong is joining me now danny so england game are you looking forward to it ? of course i am. game are you looking forward to it? of course i am. i game are you looking forward to it ? of course i am. i mean, it? of course i am. i mean, forget your armbands that we were talking about just before the tournament this you can throw them away this sink or swim time. this is the last 16 of the cup. i'm of the world cup. i'm particularly looking to particularly looking forward to this . as last game this game. as in the last game against to scored in that against wales to scored in that three nil win over wales of course marcus rashford and phil foden marcus rashford won't start we've had in this match against senegal which is the first international match between sides between these those two sides in place of him will be because you soccer soccer of course along with rashford missed one of those penalties in the final of the euro 2020 last summer. but we don't care about that this is a new slate . i've turned over a new slate. i've turned over a new leaf and this is a big, big opportunity sucker to make his

mark in this game. and also also an england side . know what, an england side. know what, danny, if some teams are doing really well, like teams like japan, we weren't expecting that. why we in south korea they out now south in or out there are some teams that have done really well and, some really good ones that have gone well. we expecting to do that. we weren't expecting to do that. do you think that will be victorious because they're playing so well ? well that's the playing so well? well that's the thing about tournament football. it can throw up all sorts of surprises. japan, south have done really, really well. senegal would be dark horses , senegal would be dark horses, some people, saudi, omani of course their star player is isn't going to play in this game. but their manager ali you see say we'll know all about football he spent four years of his career for his career playing for birmingham and a now we don't know what's going to be we always think those two magic words coming home it's always one before the tournament is even starting . but we really even starting. but we really kind underestimate it. kind of underestimate it. senegal. senegal, of course,

along teams like japan and south korea, they always throw up surprises. so you're in the surprises. so if you're in the pubs and in the clubs watching this you think is this game and you think is actually , you've got actually going, you've got to know thinking because it's know the thinking because it's going to be a really, really hard game for england, i think. i think senegal good. i think senegal are very good. i'm are one to i'm thinking they are one to worry i don't why worry about. i don't know why everyone seems to be calm about it, yeah, that's seventh it, but yeah, that's on seventh thoughts definitely thoughts and i will definitely be on senegal be watching one eye on senegal and england, one on gb news. thank you very much. that our thank you very much. that is our political correspondent out there house watching the there in his house watching the football to try to get even. now let's get to the states and let's get to the states and let's speak to the host of the politics people podcast paul that the rich paul, what is the latest i haven't heard much about what's doing . about trump what's he doing. well apart from being totally vindicated on the hunter biden laptop being by twitter, i mean that's not being given anywhere near the coverage it deserves . near the coverage it deserves. has now lost his battle keep his tax returns private and secret

from the house of representatives ways and means committee. so he lost that battle this week and. now the house representatives committee has been given access to his tax returns. his federal tax returns from 2015 to 2020. but to be honest, it's there's going to be a republican house from january . there's not a lot of damage that they can even do to him. and there's not a lot there's actually a division in the in the damage amongst the democrats . because when you pull this kind on a former kind of tactic on a former president, can on you because president, it can on you because there's nothing stopping the republican majority from january doing exactly the same to the bidens for instance. so there isn't much of an appetite to use these tax returns in a very damaging towards trump. so, you know, it's a 5050 week for him. he lost the battle, but he's winning the war now for the hunter laptop. some people won't know what you're talking about. can just fill on what can you just fill us in on what happened twitter and hunter can you just fill us in on what happe laptop? twitter and hunter can you just fill us in on what happe laptop? yeahter and hunter can you just fill us in on what happe laptop? yeah so and hunter can you just fill us in on what happe laptop? yeah so ind hunter can you just fill us in on what happe laptop? yeah so in 2020ter biden laptop? yeah so in 2020 hunter biden's laptop was found

to be filled with incriminating evidence, perhaps pointing to corruption. certainly some iffy personal behaviour . corruption. certainly some iffy personal behaviour. but hunter biden wasn't running for. but there certainly was a lot of content that suggested that there was some deals between jed , the former vice president, joe biden and hunter biden and that hunter biden was basically acting as a front man while dealer and there were some nefarious deals, shall we say this . the new nefarious deals, shall we say this. the new york times ran with the story saying that there was content content on this laptop . and every news laptop. and every news organisation basically suppressed it. and twitter especially now there's because elon musk has taken over , he has elon musk has taken over, he has released all the internal emails showing that there was there was collusion between the biden camp and twitter itself to this information and, even suppressing the new times's

twitter account that it was just doing its journalistic duty, reporting on the content of this laptop. it's very, very explosive story . only the press explosive story. only the press would act in an evenhanded manner . would act in an evenhanded manner. report this because it is it's exactly what trump was saying was happening. and he was and shouted down totally was paranoid and deranged and that he was indeed corrupt. turns out once again, donald trump was 100% right now. what's on with kate and william ? oh, people kate and william? oh, people looking at this because we've got this. i don't know whether you've of a ngozi fulani . you you've of a ngozi fulani. you heard of a have they had a vote? america i wonder how that even goes. if fulani in america i know her by former name. she's my label a real dislike melania i'm not exactly or something my it's not that they talking about it's not that they talking about it there because obviously there's this whole race row in this country is blown out of proportion in my view ridiculous because she's just wouldn't answer a simple question about where she from which is one

where she was from which is one of the basic questions of the most basic questions anyone ever ask to show anyone could ever ask to show interest in. you but in this country, family is a overshadowing. kate williams and you know, meghan markle , harry you know, meghan markle, harry are at the forefront. what, what, what is view that on that particular story it's never really going to sink in with americans because all americans talk about is where they're from they're all born in america but they're all born in america but they're irish apparently or they're all irish apparently or they're all irish apparently or they're everybody the they're all i mean everybody the african american. so the idea that sensitivity about being asked where you're from it's like people actually wear that with i don't think with pride and so i don't think that really landing it's that that's really landing it's interesting women the interesting that the women the view have really turned against meghan and harry or henry as i to call them but katherine and william their trip to the us was been a bit of a damp squib. the crowds were enthusiastic when they did their walkabout and they did their walkabout and they attended a basketball game with boston celtics and with the boston celtics and there booing and know there was some booing and know shouts usa and william met shouts of usa and william met with vice president joe

with former vice president joe for 30 minutes. there's no word as to who biden thought he was meeting, so it'll be a nice surprise when he finds out . but surprise when he finds out. but the thing is the thing is the word from , the sussexes camp, word from, the sussexes camp, it's like, you know, they've dropped netflix trailer for the six part series and the word from the sussexes camp today assures us that the timing of the release of the trailer for their show it was entirely coincidental wasn't released. it was it was a decision made entirely by netflix executives. so i think that means we're pretty much that's confirmation that it was planned by the sussexes so they yes anyway . sussexes so they yes anyway. well it's important it's really good to talk to you. thank you so much that has pulled up to the people podcast the 2000 politics people podcast he's they're in the states he's they're out in the states this is bbc b gb news if it is more to come in the next hour.

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weighs it's only once in every reign it weigh s £5 and before coronation weighs £5 and before coronation dunng weighs £5 and before coronation during the second 1953 and i do remember it the queen walked around palace and obviously in her day clothes getting used to it because it is quite a technique to keep that steady and straight . you're watching gb and straight. you're watching gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now let's get back . happens. now let's get back. nana. good afternoon . it is 6 minutes good afternoon. it is 6 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's on a quest for the next hour, me and my panel will taking on some of the big topics, hitting the headlines right this show is all right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs. and of course it's yours . we'll debating discussing .we'll be debating discussing it we will disagree, it at times we will disagree, but no will be cancelled . so

but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and journalist danny kelly also , former editor at the left is peter edwards . still to come, peter edwards. still to come, each sunday at five, i'm joined by celebrity, former or by a celebrity, a former or someone extremely someone who's have extremely interesting career. take a look at life after the trough. we talk lows learned and talk highs, lows learned and what comes next on the outside today ? well, my guest is world today? well, my guest is world famous. she's an author. she's published 22 novels and sold over 4 million copies of her books in the uk. her over 4 million copies of her books in the uk . her novels books in the uk. her novels focus on the issues of love, parenting and fidelity . and one parenting and fidelity. and one of the books is entitled just my luck. of the books is entitled just my luck . i'll be generous. of the books is entitled just my luck. i'll be generous. i'll give you one final clue. she was awarded mba for her services to literature and she'll be live in the studio in a moment's time. who is she? do you think so? the message of the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, is it time to stop penalising aspiration education the aspiration education that the government have announced it has no plans to open a new grammar school despite a large of school despite a large number of backbench mp who have that

backbench mp who have said that they want to overturn the ban on them and put them back in place . that is labour leader, sir . that is the labour leader, sir starmer proposed to places vat on tuition fees , with critics on tuition fees, with critics claiming the super rich would have access to private schools. so is it time to stop aspiration in education some of your thoughts, email me. tv views gbnews.uk or tweet me at . thoughts, email me. tv views gbnews.uk or tweet me at. gb news. that's now it's time for this week's out sunlight. now, today, my special guest is an award winning who is a no no ? award winning who is a no no? adele fox that most notably she wrote books entitled the books entitled lies lies . and both of entitled lies lies. and both of you, adele parks, has an impressive collection of 22 published novels with a total of 4 million uk copies being sold from our humble beginnings in teesside to living in botswana, adele's has led her to many

adventures , even earning her an adventures, even earning her an mba from the late queen, adele is also the ambassador for numerous charities that promote literature in the uk her latest book one last secret was released earlier this year receiving . glowing reviews adele receiving. glowing reviews adele has released 22 books in 22 years and she sang showing no of slowing down. i'm pleased to say . adele parks joins me live in studio. adele hello. that was quite the intro well, it was i said adele and you said hello like the others felt very good . like the others felt very good. that's all i can do. i can't sing a lot i love to read . so sing a lot i love to read. so adele, talk to me about what it was that inspired you to start books. what you just well , you books. what you just well, you always go to english. you are natural writer. i'm a librarian actually suggested it to me . i actually suggested it to me. i loved going to the library . actually suggested it to me. i loved going to the library. i'm the younger two sisters. so, you know , the lot of a younger child know, the lot of a younger child is waiting around for the old one. so my used said wait in the library and read lots of books in the library. and one day said

to me, do you? you might become an author and, wouldn't you know? we're from teesside. we didn't anyone who's publisher, i always say first author i ever met was myself. and that's absolutely true . in those days absolutely true. in those days there wasn't sort of, you know onune there wasn't sort of, you know online interaction with authors. there wasn't events in the same . so it seemed quite but to my parents credit, nobody said that's ridiculous they all sort of said, oh, that's lovely . of said, oh, that's lovely. don't think they really thought it would happen , but i don't it would happen, but i don't think they thought it was impossible english impossible. i loved english i read lots of books . i went to a read lots of books. i went to a local local state school, a local local state school, a local comp , brilliant, brilliant local comp, brilliant, brilliant state. and i was encouraged, went to english university and eventually into the ten years after that became a writer. wow. so you're your first book, then you became a writer. did you just become a writer and start writing books or did you do you write in newspapers ? no, more or write in newspapers? no, more or less. i mean, i the first thing i wrote was my novel that got

published. so which book was that your first playing way? and i always get the ten word pitch. it's anna karenina meets bridget jones, but gets to live, which is spoiler. if you haven't read that, you've run into ruined it and. but the idea was i wasn't saying i tolstoy obviously but bridget jones was massive at the time , very much about sort of time, very much about sort of a single waiting for mr. right. i wanted to talk about. okay not being a single woman, being a relationship and all the trickiness can come with that. so i this novel, i'm some research pitched it to an agent that i'd never met but i had had read about and it got accepted. wow accepted by actually your first first novel, first pitch. and it got accepted by six publishing houses. wow so you really lucky . right. could it be really lucky. right. could it be lucky? i i, it was fun and it was , know, it was a bit escapism was, know, it was a bit escapism , really sexy. so think yes. i

hadnt , really sexy. so think yes. i hadn't read that yet. very, very sorry . yeah, i'm less free now. sorry. yeah, i'm less free now. i think that said one secret. the last one is about a sex worker . so maybe the last one is about a sex worker. so maybe i'm more rude or don't know . worker. so maybe i'm more rude or don't know. but worker. so maybe i'm more rude or don't know . but anyway. yes or don't know. but anyway. yes definitely a theme word to this very thing . writing a book like very thing. writing a book like that that must be quite well. is it difficult to write ? well, one it difficult to write? well, one last secret i honest. so that's a that's a psychological thriller and 22 books and 22 years. the biggest thrill for me when i'm writing is learning about something new. so researching, you know a profession and it might be police or it could be a an illness or something but you research something new and this i wanted the book to be narrated by a sex worker and all my friends were laughing and oh, you know, you always shadow the jobs you are going to write but you try doing this job well, you know, something to do . no, i

know, something to do. no, i didn't say that. i i went and interviewed sex workers because, you know, was it's job. it's a job like any otherjob except it job like any other job except it isn't like any other job job like any other job except it isn't like any otherjob because you're constantly under threat. you're constantly dealing with horrific prejudice . and i and horrific prejudice. and i and it's not going anywhere. and one gives any empathy or support. so it's kind of silenced. and i just thought was something to be said . when i met, i met three said. when i met, i met three women to discuss the plots, and i wanted to talk to about how they stay safe, how they stay sane. what's the process so that the book could be realistic , the book could be realistic, even though obviously it's a thriller and it's twists and turns that, you know, these haven't encountered. but i them fascinating very in trusting. so the book is more focussed on the sort of psychological development. the women than actually what goes on in the bedroom. in fact, i kind of didn't write about that much because kind of everyone knows what goes on in bedroom nobody knows what goes in people's heads more

heads and that's more interesting not to it was interesting not to say. it was a fabulous book i i'm going to have a chat about all your books if you could. when i was young, i to love sidney sheldon. i used to love sidney sheldon. yes, and is favourite yes, and love is my favourite master game. that's a master of the game. that's a fabulous . when you were fabulous book. when you were young, what were your young, what what were your favourite who all are favourite books? who all are your authors and if your favourite authors and if your favourite authors and if you could liken your style to also, there one that you also, is there one that you would say were like ? so would say you were like? so because now write psychological thrillers, i sort of would . so thrillers, i sort of would. so i've of genres , done i've done lots of genres, done historical family dramas, all of things. so my style definitely changed changes, although i think sort of the honesty of the characters doesn't so plots , characters doesn't so plots, genre does, but of me is always i'm in the books and my style always in the books. so it's very difficult to say, oh, i'm not, you're not you . yeah, i not, you're not you. yeah, i might use . but there are might use. but there are definitely authors i admire. i lucy foley's work , lisa jules lucy foley's work, lisa jules work, sally hepworth as work and they're all other psychological

thriller or thriller writer in the past , thriller or thriller writer in the past, when i was a young girl, i remember reading things like julie cooper, i loved tilly because she cooper, she was so entertaining . good. so much fun, entertaining. good. so much fun, so good and i have had the great j'oy so good and i have had the great joy of her several times . so joy of her several times. so i for entertainment and i write to entertain . you mentioned all the entertain. you mentioned all the charities work with writing is , charities work with writing is, you know, obviously it's educational, but also increases our empathy and it us understanding of the world and so you know entertainment empathy education's got it all going on. you've got all these like in easy words. do you you've been doing this so you've got one book every year so far. has that been your aim? was that the plan or was it just come out that way? it just comes out that way. very early on, my of my way. very early on, my one of my first said to me, oh, first editors said to me, oh, you to become person. you need to become that person. people on their summer people look for on their summer holidays. take people look for on their summer holidaand take people look for on their summer holidaand i take people look for on their summer holidaand i thought, take people look for on their summer holidaand i thought, oh, take people look for on their summer holidaand i thought, oh, okay,

away. and i thought, oh, okay, because i mentioned i didn't even have a clue. so even that tiny just took tiny bit of advice i just took and run with it. my son's 22 as well. i've had like book. well. so i've had like one book. yeah sometimes how yeah so i sometimes think how many how old is many have i written? how old is my that's how my kid? and then that's how i worked out. but all of them , i worked out. but all of them, i mean, i've been really lucky. they've all been top ten bestsellers and because of that, there's, no reason be there's, there's no reason be put off. there's what i keep going, i love it. i enjoy it what else would i do? i wouldn't get up. like that's get up. i like busy. that's great. and obviously very great. and you're obviously very good because you've good at it because you've got an mba that's the mba. yes. that's why the services to, literature the services to, literature and the new year list 2022. new year honours list 2022. yeah. when do you get that? yeah. so when do you get that? what happens when did you, you didn't meet the queen no. know very but very happily i very sadly but very happily i did . king charles, the third. did. king charles, the third. and it was in his very first investiture, which was to just weeks ago. but i was in queen's new year's honours list. i nearly missed because they sent an email which can i say, you expect like really smart letter with a seal or perhaps a carrier pigeon, something note? no, they sent me an email and i honestly

thought it was spam because i thought it was spam because i thought who would be nominating for an mba? no. so i deleted twice and then eventually my agent rang and said you've got to respond one way or the other, even you don't taking it. and they oh, i'll take you they say, oh, i'll take you walk. and then he said, the mba. i i'll have that thank you i think i'll have that thank you very much . so a real delight very much. so a real delight really . i mean, a colossal really. i mean, a colossal honour , totally unexpected . and honour, totally unexpected. and yes, i was at windsor palace just weeks ago and it was wow. king charles. he seemed lovely . king charles. he seemed lovely. he is lovely. he's really nice , he is lovely. he's really nice, really nice. very, very interested , sort of slightly interested, sort of slightly overrun because he gave everybody the attention and kindness conversation , laughed a kindness conversation, laughed a lot, very also incredibly interested. he he, you know , he interested. he he, you know, he interviewed me, asked about he asked about i get my ideas from he asked the things that people want to know from authors. i didn't feel rushed felt he wanted me there it great when did they give you lunch what do

they do they don't give you the hang about for a bit you chat and then you through the palace through very building rooms , through very building rooms, much to my amazement is my mom and my dad and my son is three tickets allowed my bless his heart said you can't between your parents you have to take them both and my son was desperate to go so it was the three of them and i was sort making jokes and saying, oh look that picture got that on a jigsaw. i've got that in a tea towel. but i mean, the art. amazing. so whilst you're waiting , it's very interesting waiting, it's very interesting and you're waiting with other people who've got me, all of whom are fascinating . so there's whom are fascinating. so there's a lot of people to chat to. then you have the ceremony, which is sort of individual family watches quite close. was watched from close on and then you go off and have your photo and. then we went as a family for lunch. that's not with my husband we invited him to that but was just as well. congratulations thank you and well—deserved with all the books . you're so your latest book then it's out now already it's

out now. it's hardback but on it comes out as paperback just in time for christmas. nice little stocking . our office and so stocking. our office and so that's one of the most wonderful what was really good to talk to you and you touched on some some charity work that you do tell us briefly about national literacy . sorry, national literacy trust and the reading agencies are the two ambassadors, all and both of them work mostly in the uk . to them work mostly in the uk. to encourage reading and the joy of across all age groups . both of across all age groups. both of them have got websites worth out because they each have schemes to. so here's some examples to look . i'm to. so here's some examples to look. i'm getting homeless people to be reading to get mums with newborn babies that are in incubator to read to their babies . so incubator to read to their babies. so from one extreme to the other , there are different the other, there are different schemes to encourage reading depending on your mindset, your age your social background , and

age your social background, and they're just very accessible , they're just very accessible, very interesting. so yeah , go very interesting. so yeah, go look at both of the websites. there's much to say about both of them. i don't know where to start. okay, great. i could come back and talk to you about half an and just those an hour and just on those websites, the people websites, i what are the people doing? the national doing? yes. the national literacy the reading literacy trust and the reading agency and literacy trust and the reading agerit's and literacy trust and the reading agerit's so and literacy trust and the reading agerit's so good and literacy trust and the reading agerit's so good to and literacy trust and the reading agerit's so good to to and that it's so good to talk to you.so that it's so good to talk to you. so good. it's such a pleasure to meet you. thank you so thank very so much for. thank you very much. the fabulous much. that is the fabulous author, parks, award author, adele parks, award winning author parks winning author adele parks and the e! i might add. thank you . the e! i might add. thank you. this is gb news coming up. it is a great british debate this i'm asking, is it time stop penalising aspiration in education. now the government announced that it has no plans to open new grammar schools despite a large number of backbench tory mp . does he want backbench tory mp. does he want to lift the ban them in many of the moves properly benefit from them and that is just labour leader sir keir starmer opposed to of that on tuition fees to place of that on tuition fees , which critics are claiming will affect only the super rich who will still have access to

private . but is that actually private. but is that actually fair seeing as many of those who wish to do also had the benefit of schools that is will come out of schools that is will come out of .

this is diabetes is 22 minutes after 5:00 if you just told me welcome on board we are the people's channel. i'm not a square and. it is time for our great british debate this hour i'm asking, is it time to stop penalising aspiration in education now the labour party has been accused causing a class war after it revealed that it scrapped tax breaks for private schools. if government that are why they want do that, it seems ridiculous. the mail reported that labour's plan to charge that labour's plan to charge that all school fees mean that it forces closures of around about 200 schools despite party

saying the policy would raise more than £1 billion which would be used to support the state sector . but it be used to support the state sector. but it is be used to support the state sector . but it is that it's be used to support the state sector. but it is that it's one rule for socialists and one rule for everyone else . best buddies, for everyone else. best buddies, not keir starmer and jeremy corbyn went to private schools . corbyn went to private schools. tony blair, another former labour leader, also attended private school and diana , who's private school and diana, who's preached about abolishing private schools, sent her own son to one. there's nothing like being a hypocrite, is there ? on being a hypocrite, is there? on the other hand, the tory backbenchers are trying to pressurise the frontbench into reversing the ban on grammar schools. mp jonathan nicholas asked to educate the department what assessment and be made of the potential merits of removing legislative restrictions on the establishment of new grammar. the schools minister, nick gibbs says as many children as possible should have access to outstanding education, which some see ex—ministers did

because , according to the sutton because, according to the sutton trust , 65% of his cabinet went trust, 65% of his cabinet went to independent fee paying schools and only 23% went to compare. hence it's so for the british debate this i'm asking it time to stop penalising in education i'm joined now by education i'm joined now by education commentator editor in chief of the good schools guide lord ralph lucas . thank you so lord ralph lucas. thank you so much persuading the duke now if we look at this whole idea, do you really believe that up to 200 schools were closed as a result of the 20% of that rate being placed on schools. on schools , if labour in power. no, schools, if labour in power. no, i don't personally . the i don't personally. the independent sector is very those are huge based property assets . are huge based property assets. one school closures the money that supported it goes to whichever school to build it and the parent who can continue paying the parent who can continue paying the fees of whom that will be money will will join

other schools and make them stronger . so no, i don't think stronger. so no, i don't think it will be too obvious who, but there will be an enormous reorganisation of independent education. a lot coming together to efficiencies. there's a lot of taking advantage of technologies that teach better , technologies that teach better, cheapen technologies that teach better, cheaper, a lot of innovation it's high time we have some innovation in education just don't think they'll just put the fees up to too much. so add the vat to the fees so that the parents have to pay for anyway. but i think if they just did that, there would be a lot of closure. but i don't think will i think they will cut control. well that might mean that they have redundancies or fewer teachers might not be my teachers that might not be my view is in your view, do you think that that is wise move to add onto the fees of add that onto the fees of private . no i don't private schools. no i don't think it helps anybody i think it will not raise a great deal of money for the country it will disturb lot of a lot of good schools . i disturb lot of a lot of good schools. i don't disturb lot of a lot of good schools . i don't think it's schools. i don't think it's constructive ways to deal with

education. education is a good aspiration something to encourage everyone not just an end to public school. encourage everyone not just an end to public school . what about end to public school. what about the tory party , though? because the tory party, though? because they are they are wanting to. well, not all of them, but they are planning to stop more grammar schools. do you think thatis grammar schools. do you think that is a good plan ? i think that is a good plan? i think there's no space, no . between there's no space, no. between now and the election to get new grammar school started. it's an old argument. the grammar schools we got a lot of very good school whether that the right way to go that would a local decision it ought to be a local decision it ought to be a local to say we want to have some grammar schools no labour party allow that i hope the next conservative government will. but that needs to be in the manifesto . we can't do it before manifesto. we can't do it before them . do you do you think them. do you do you think they're just tinkering and actually they should be focusing actually they should be focusing actually bringing up state schools to a standard rather than of robbing peter to pay

paul? it doesn't make sense to me . i think that has to be the me. i think that has to be the focus of 700,000 odd kids in schools, which are ofsted grade four or have been stuck in grade three for ages. that's where emphasis ought to be on really making life better for those children, getting good discipline , good teachers and discipline, good teachers and bringing those children in the way the princes catherine but will thing in the case of yeah well all right look lucas, stay right there. it's going to have a chat with the chairman for the campaign for real education , campaign for real education, chris mcgovern. chris thank you very much for joining chris mcgovern. chris thank you very much forjoining me. chris mcgovern. chris thank you very much forjoining me . chris, very much forjoining me. chris, a whole ask you then. so in your view, do you think that getting rid of grammar or not having any more grammar schools also putting that on fee paying schools is actually the right move ? it's very much wrong move. move? it's very much wrong move. it sends entirely the wrong signal as far as independent schools go. in my view, some close because of the vat on fees and you know, they're going to

become more elitist because only parents who can afford the extra money will be able to afford the higher fees. we've got to remember that aspiration in education died a long time ago. i think probably when the grammar schools phased out back in the seventies you know, these days we have a comprehensive school system which fails more or less. everybody david cameron told party conference a few years that we have got the worst rate of social mobility in the developed . the whole point of developed. the whole point of a comprehensive was to remove social immobility to make things more mobile . so we've got the more mobile. so we've got the worst rate of social mobility . worst rate of social mobility. the developed world in the 1960s and fifties when there were grammar . two and fifties when there were grammar. two thirds of the children at grammar schools were the sons and daughters of manual workers , and there was much more workers, and there was much more social mobility now. i'm someone who actually took the 11 plus and failed it. so i'm on the scrap heap. if you that i went to grammar school later when i

was 13. what i would like to see in the future is for grammar schools to restored in their schools to be restored in their hundreds academic children, hundreds for academic children, also alongside , the grammar also alongside, the grammar schools, what we need are good technical vocational schools . so technical vocational schools. so probably by the age of about 13 or 14, we should do most of the rest of the world does and recognise that children are different. sheep , different. we don't want sheep, goats, horses for goats, we want horses for courses . and as for those courses. and as for those private schools , we should take private schools, we should take pride in the private schools, we should conserve the private schools we should renovate schools and we should renovate the and failing schools, the poor and failing schools, which afraid is a of which i'm afraid is a lot of schools . well, i suppose in schools. well, i suppose in their view, what they're saying is if they stop or got people spend money in these private schools , can then take the money schools, can then take the money and help to fund state education. i sort of think that's a of cheek really saying as the people going to these fee paying as the people going to these fee paying schools are already paying paying schools are already paying other people to paying tax for other people to state schools and also paying for their own child to go to the school as well . is there any school as well. is there any

it's not the parents who send child to private school offer, scrimp and save . they're paying scrimp and save. they're paying twice. they pay in taxes . they twice. they pay in taxes. they pay twice. they pay in taxes. they pay for their state schools . and pay for their state schools. and actually, what will happen, of course , is that you're going to course, is that you're going to find transfer of children from find a transfer of children from private schools , state schools. private schools, state schools. so costs in the state so the costs in the state schools are going to increase . schools are going to increase. we're playing political and a sort of a vengeance against sort of the so—called wealthier people. the problem is that you know today, if you live in a poorer country, you're 27 times more likely to go to a failing school. we have selection and selection by wealth in the states . better if you live in a states. better if you live in a posh area and you can buy a house, you get to a good. in today's papers we have keir starmer. he sends his own children in. come i was a headteacher. there his own children to a school which is incredibly selective it's catchment area is about the size of abramovich's yacht and so it's incredibly so it's okay for him to send kids to those schools. tony blair, he had private tutors coming in from westminster school. did he

papakura say behind this is breathtaking and the is the total is equally breathtaking. the need to get a grip because this is a crisis and the way i must say this the oecd the international number crunchers said very clearly if you want to see your economy in 20 years time, look at your system today , a mess. and we're going to be all in a great mess unless we do something about it. we're already in a great mess. let's our lord, ralph lucas, back in on because , ralph, do you agree on because, ralph, do you agree with chris? because chris is kind of saying that we are in pretty much a bit of a mess and something needs to be done about it it . what's wrong ? as ralph it it. what's wrong? as ralph gone that always coming. where's ralph we still got you, chris? oh, i think we've lost ralph . so oh, i think we've lost ralph. so we will find out what the other is. but they will. yes. what do you think ? so what do you think you think? so what do you think the answer is to this then? because from what i can see, it seems like they're penalising

aspiration in education. and i feel the thinking is going in the wrong direction. but what would you say as a final. i picking up on what chris said. yes we'll grammar school but very much alongside a real quality education book. what kind of like have tried to do with universal university technical colleges but didn't make it but that was a good idea. we need to do it better so that everybody has a good school of them . well, listen thank you of them. well, listen thank you both. lord ralph lucas and also chris mcgovern . really good to chris mcgovern. really good to talk to you both. well nana akua, this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital already. we'll continue with the great debate this hour. i'm asking your thoughts on whether you think we are in an aspiration, whether the government, to penalise education, killing the thoughts . my panel, broadcaster, journalist tony kelly , also journalist tony kelly, also former editor of the label is to edwards. first, though, let's get your news headlines . thanks

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good afternoon. this is good, but on tv, online and digital radio, i'm nana akua . for the radio, i'm nana akua. for the next few hours, me and my panel be taking on some of those big topics. hitting the headlines right . so we return to our great right. so we return to our great british debate this hour. and asking, is it time to stop penalising aspiration in education. the labour party have been accused of causing a class warfare. it revealed that it

scrapped tax but tax breaks for private schools. if the government would they were in government. the daily mail that labour's plan was to charge vat on school fees, which could mean it would force closures of potentially 200 schools. now this despite party saying the policy would raise more this despite party saying the policy would raise mor e £1 policy would raise more £1 billion, which would be used to support the state. but it appears that one rule for the socialists and one rule for everybody else . best buddies, everybody else. best buddies, not keir starmer and jeremy corbyn went to private schools . corbyn went to private schools. tony blair, another former labour leader, also attended private school and. diane abbott was about abolishing private schools . her own son to one. schools. her own son to one. it's nothing like being a hypocrite. is that . on the other hypocrite. is that. on the other hand, the tory backbenchers are trying to pressurise the frontbench into reversing the ban on grammar schools. mp jonathan nicholas asked the education department what assessment has been made of the potential merits of removing

legislative restrictions on the establishment of new grammar schools and the school minister, nick gibbs, says that he . as nick gibbs, says that he. as many children as possible should have access to outstanding education, which some of sunak ministers also had . so according ministers also had. so according to the sutton trust , 65% of his to the sutton trust, 65% of his cabinet that sunak cabinet went to independent fees, paying schools . only 23% went to schools. only 23% went to comprehensive says. so is it time then for them to perhaps stop doing this in? our education and focus on generalising a good standard for all? so in the great british debate this hour, i'm asking is it time to stop penalise aspiration in education. let's see what my panel make of that . see what my panel make of that. joined by peter edwards and danny kelly. so going to start with you, danny. yes. you're a learned, learned man. yes, ma'am. well educated . well, ma'am. well educated. well, actually, no, i, i, i sent to an independent school, but it's with some shame and, humiliation. some 30 years

later, i need to remind you that i left school with one o—level, and i just tossed around, and and ijust tossed around, and i was the archetypal scallywag. probably in years . probably. you probably in years. probably. you wouldn't believe , would you? wouldn't believe, would you? probably a factored other kids education in at st mary's college in crosby where peter's mum is from . is that what you mum is from. is that what you did? you were the one that made. i was the joke. all the kids, their education is suffered as i'm sure. i'm sure it would do. the reason that's pertinent is that my mum dad could afford to send an independent send me to an independent school. wouldn't have the 11 school. i wouldn't have the 11 plus i have gone to the plus so i would have gone to the local and the that it's local comp. and the that it's relevance is that there would be people grammar people like me in grammar schools so the people like me wouldn't be in grammar. and you can, can focus the mind on can, you can focus the mind on academe here. and i'm a big fan of grammar schools and you know why labour is so good. let me get straight to go. do you go to grammar school? would grammar school? how much would it? that is it? depends. i even. and that is what at fee paying as a fee what is at fee paying as a fee paying what is at fee paying as a fee paying school fee. paying school? don't

school? yeah. and i don't why this politicised so because this is politicised so because i think a golden for kids think it's a golden for kids from families are not wealthy. i'm not saying impoverished but are not wealthy to win golden ticket. it's like willy golden ticket. it's like willy golden ticket at the foot and i don't i don't know why labour opposed to it i don't know what what what pizza so does not know. i disagree. first of all, i don't think it's class warfare. what i'd also say is i think it's maybe unfair to blame people for they go to school if blame even appropriate because it's different where you choose your kids but you know keir starmer and jeremy corbyn were presumably ten. wait a secondary schools is hindsight. imagine that that that parents chose that they didn't choice . also, i didn't make that choice. also, i looked the keir starmer looked into the keir starmer case vote in case when he did vote in secondary school. it was actually a state school. it later the later converted to the independent sector. so i don't think stands well. i do think that stands out well. i do think. i think it does stand up because it was later to independent still got independent sector he still got the an independent the benefit of an independent school going on the benefit of an independent scilabour going on the benefit of an independent scilabour policy going on the benefit of an independent scilabour policy 1.7 going on the benefit of an independent scilabour policy 1.7 billion] on to labour policy 1.7 billion saving be put out if the vat tax break is abolished. to me that's

a meaningful sum of money when britain is quite short of money. and michael, just me, michael gove , a long term tory cabinet gove, a long term tory cabinet minister , has described that tax minister, has described that tax break as egregious , so michael break as egregious, so michael gove supports it and the public support is as well. 65% approval rating. well, you may say , and rating. well, you may say, and if so, if michael gove supports that must all do it. look, i think my view is this that 1.6 billion or whatever they think they're going to get stuck with they're going to get stuck with the work out like that because lot of those kids whose parents aren't that wealthy, are aren't that wealthy, who are just to and get just working hard to try and get these these schools, these kids, these schools, because sector is bad, because the state sector is bad, which actually believe that's which i actually believe that's where focus should be. they will take them out of those schools. right. so that 1.6 billion starters filter away . and it's starters filter away. and it's a small minority of because i went to a public school and whilst the majority the majority of people were more like parents who worked really really hard, obviously everyone's past work really hard. but the difference was my parents weren't initially naturally that well—off. they

just to their money into just decided to their money into sending me to a really good school. and that's what most of the kids was at my school the kids when i was at my school were like . so i'm saying that were like. so i'm saying that 1.6 billion is a fallacy because they're looking at it through they're looking at it through the tinted spectacles of imagining the number imagining that the same number of children be going of children will be going to these schools. these private schools. and it's not out that way not going to work out that way those going to go to those kids are going to go to the state schools a very bad because they not putting because they are not putting enough system. enough money in that system. well, believe that. well, i don't believe that. and that's. no. telling that's. oh, no, no. i'm telling you i could you from own situation, i could see that went on to the see if that went on to the school fees, my parents would not have been able me. well that, that claim certain that, that claim to a certain extent has debunked and. extent has been debunked and. i'm the daily mirror has i'm also the daily mirror has taken me mirror. what they say is i let me give you a statement. and so i think they published a research public school phase. i paid for sector fees, went up by around 25. and the number of children , public the number of children, public school stayed the same . so it's school stayed the same. so it's what economist refers to perhaps something inelastic. the price up and there wasn't this great withdrawal of children entry into the state sector .

withdrawal of children entry into the state sector. i withdrawal of children entry into the state sector . i think into the state sector. i think it's very unfair to it's very, very unfair to the parents of these poor these these schools. i think it's really may we back these schools. i think it's realpoliticisationy we back these schools. i think it's realpoliticisation of e back these schools. i think it's realpoliticisation of grammar the politicisation of grammar schools because in 1998 tony blair said no more grammar schools and the northern irish devolution also happened in 1998 with good friday. the belfast agreements know in agreements did you know in northern ireland, 45% of all secondary schools are grammar schools. now this over the law is different there i believe on location. my point is, peter , is location. my point is, peter, is that 45% of the schools are grammar . that 45% of the schools are grammar. now, can you give me an example of more of a working class collection of towns , the class collection of towns, the northern ireland. see, this is what i don't get with the labour party. why would they want to deny someone this willy wonka golden ticket? because kids from impoverished backgrounds are highly intelligent, impoverished backgrounds are highly intelligent , they just highly intelligent, they just need this bringing in them opportunity. i don't get it really. don't and social mobility as well. surely what so in your view then do you actually think it's a good idea to not have it in your grammar schools and also to have the 20%

that so i think the vat policy is a good one in terms the is a good one in terms of the actual the number of actual expansion, the number of grammar various grammar schools which various ministers, and ministers, you know, left and libertarian have left as it is for 20 years. think for around 20 years. i think it's 164 at the for around 20 years. i think it's164 at the moment in. england i'm actually a bit torn that because i failed 11 plus i went to a comprehensive that i changed at 16 to a grammar school. so it's all in a state sector but. the criticism from the left has been grammar school was that they if you like draw in best and then what these in the best and then what these days might be called levelling up the aspiration element was not there because certainly i went to a better school at 16. it made me work harder, much faster being around cleverer kids, whereas if all those kids were shared across a comprehensive system. the suggestion it might help suggestion is it might help standards across the board. well, it'll standards well, it'll bring standards down to are . well, excuse to those who are. well, excuse me , who are very high standards. me, who are very high standards. that's not fair i think a that's not fair i think it's a levelling down. and think they levelling down. and i think they need to start focusing on actually improving state system so situation doesn't so that that situation doesn't exist. propose that

exist. so i want to propose that again, all three words i say, if we all agree that, then i we all agree with that, then i don't it should be the don't think it should be the expense the kids who expense of the other kids who could parents who can could be and parents who can afford children afford to send children elsewhere. nothing elsewhere. but this is nothing without and your views. without you and your views. let's great british let's welcome our great british voices on their opportunity to tell about the tell what they think about the topics i've got four topics discussing. i've got four of all right, go to of them. all right, let's go to mcneilly. in grimsby mcneilly. he's there in grimsby . alan mcneely, do you think this is a live look down? do you think they are penalising aspiration , education? yes, i do aspiration, education? yes, i do not like often into until i would totally disagree with everything that peter says . the everything that peter says. the idea that they're going to make a lot of money out of this is a nonsense a lot of the money they can embark on via the loss of pupils that would then disappear into the state sector , cost us into the state sector, cost us all more , but they won't do all more, but they won't do anybody any good . why is anybody any good. why is everyone grammar schools? i everyone so grammar schools? i have no idea . everyone so grammar schools? i have no idea. i think everyone so grammar schools? i have no idea . i think the best have no idea. i think the best for people to just step up from all walks of life. yeah i agree with you . i agree with you. and with you. i agree with you. and i also think that the system

that peter quoted mean that's over one year. but as a parent, you have to keep paying. that's a domino effect. i don't think people will be able to afford. but let's get the party going. he's there. solihull, brian, what is it hanan ? what do you think? is it hanan? is it case creation ? yeah, i is it case creation? yeah, i mean, i don't think there's any an easy answer. it all, it's becoming very politicised in terms of this. it's absolutely fundamental. i believe that every child should have the best possible education available to them . know how you deliver that them. know how you deliver that that's obviously they're the to debate over and everything but i agree i think grammar schools are wonderful and that one of the best ways in which we can provide that kind of level for everyone to make to the level of levelling done. i think that's a difficult to make in terms of all of it makes no , that's okay.

all of it makes no, that's okay. certainly we're going to certainly say in milton keynes for about 30 seconds, leslie , for about 30 seconds, leslie, good evening . then i thank you good evening. then i thank you for having me. yes, i as nelson mandela said , education is the mandela said, education is the most powerful weapon . i do most powerful weapon. i do believe that we are penalising education as , oration and education as, oration and grammar , an important part of grammar, an important part of education as as state education and. it should be, as you said, nana should be every child i do believe has a right to the education. and yes , do think education. and yes, do think it's being picked up penalising aspiration education. thank you. thank right it's good to see you hannam tuesday in so you've got about 30 seconds as well thank you man. i'd just like to speak from the perspective of somebody who is ahead . a very small who is ahead. a very small independent school, i'd say that it's all well and good to say that numbers of parents may stay in, but actually huge numbers of children the sector are children in the sector are supported bursariesthere's supported by bursaries there's also an amount of good work done

in state and independent school partnerships. and i think that this argument has become incredibly binary and is losing sight of some really critical detail. i mean , i'm very glad detail. i mean, i'm very glad you said that. so i'm with you on that. that's hannam. she's also she's the professional as well. she's intellectual. she's one of my great british voices that was an inclusive session in keynes broad in solihull in litchfield. thank you so much . litchfield. thank you so much. right now, let's turn our attention to the world cup. i need a flagging learned england. yeah they're playing senegal. i think some people are thinking. it's going to be an easy match. no isn't senegal a very good fans up down the country are fans up and down the country are geanng fans up and down the country are gearing the three gearing up to support the three lions last 16 of lions in the last 16 of the tournament . let's head over to tournament. let's head over to cornwall and nottingham where two great gb news two of our great gb news reporters are speaking to the pubuc reporters are speaking to the public ahead match right public ahead of the match right . let's go to jeff moody . he's . let's go to jeff moody. he's our west country . jeff talk to our west country. jeff talk to me. what's going on there? we've got hollister. oh, well yes. go

for jeff . i'm here at the got hollister. oh, well yes. go for jeff. i'm here at the old forjeff. i'm here at the old custom house, which is in padstow . now. custom house, which is in padstow. now. i'm going to have to fess up about when we arrived here a little while ago, this bar was packed it was heaving with people the beers were flowing. there was a great everybody watching the football and getting ready for it. everybody watching the football and getting ready for it . but and getting ready for it. but now, suddenly now we've come to us a lot of people seem to have gone.i us a lot of people seem to have gone. i think they might have gone. i think they might have gone outside for a quick cigarette we shouldn't do cigarette not we shouldn't do that i'm going that these days. but i'm going to they to grab some people they probably don't it yet. but i'm going out going to grab them and find out how getting what how they're getting and what they think of the football. let's it. hello sir, i let's try it. hello sir, can i ask you quick question ? yes, ask you a quick question? yes, of tell us about of course. so tell us about the book. what looking book. what are you looking forward forward forward to tonight? i'm forward to tonight. i'm to the football tonight. i'm surprised over in surprised that starting over in russia. , i'm looking russia. so, yeah, i'm looking forward it away. well, forward to it away. well, you think three, three, think it's three, three, one that that's specific. that specific that's specific. but i've been hearing senegal has a very , very good, very has a very, very good, very strong, very powerful goalkeeper , chelsea. boy, that is true. but i don't write myself, to be honest. i'm not i'm not a big

fan. okay. i'll think of it. we are quite comfortable tonight to be fans. how think we've be fans. how do you think we've done this ? yeah, i hope you done this? yeah, i hope you don't change that to we done don't change that to how we done so do you think? well, so far. do you think? well, considering doing the best in the groups . i'm really happy. the groups. i'm really happy. i'm. well, i'm really up in the by the fight having the most goal difference and going through most points we through the most points we should be really should we should be really happy so really by britain i so i can't really by britain i picture around got to picture around and i've got to do football do something about football thank let's thank you very much. let's see we ask somebody we can quickly ask somebody else. guy else. let's some here's a guy over let's hello. i'm over here. let's hello. i'm right. are you looking forward to the game tonight? i'm very much looking forward to the game. nights could be class. i know to was really know it's going to was a really good in earlier good atmosphere in here earlier , wasn't has gone for a , wasn't it? that has gone for a little food. to go. little bit of food. ready to go. got it. yeah. so got in it. yeah. yeah. so you think it'll back here a bit think it'll be back here a bit later on? any idea of the score tonight? three, one, three. well, that's exactly what the game. that's not to be a3131. yes that three one is going hit first. no i don't think it's

going to be three one. good. we wish. thank very much. let's go now to thank you very much, jeff. i have a chat with will hollis is the eastenders reporter. what's going on there . good evening . i reporter. what's going on there . good evening. i imagine reporter. what's going on there . good evening . i imagine jeff . good evening. i imagine jeff is a little bit warmer inside of that pub. we're in a fan zone, about 400 people or so, some of people that taken that time people that have taken that time to graciously us, to graciously talk to us, though, course, we've got though, is of course, we've got vernon here and. we've got phil as well. vernon, you're bracing the because you don't the weather because you don't mind having your england shirt on display. how feeling at on display. how you feeling at this fund? they always , always this fund? they always, always pride of england . listen does it pride of england. listen does it matter whether we win, lose or draw ? we're here tonight to draw? we're here tonight to celebrate and team that are a decent senegal or , a decent side decent senegal or, a decent side as well . do you think we're as well. do you think we're going to go up against this team that are right now the african champions. i'd like to think we can beat these two nil tonight maybe maybe one nil will do me lesser to qualify as great against france. that's right . against france. that's right. that would not be good. that's

certainly going to be a tough one. you've got your mate here, phil. where is, notts phil. well, where it is, notts county, you the weather county, you feel the weather a little more. how you feeling little more. how are you feeling going into this game? good going into this game? like good , really good. it ain't north country top of the league. yesterday england to nil win tonight i you were telling me it's your birthday today actually what was the ideal present for you today the first part was not consider to be of the league yesterday england to get through today that middle score promoting training well it is quite chilly here i'm obviously people are going to have a little drink. they're going to warm and then when the game starts, it's going to be quite something. none of that. thank there's thank you very much. there's a report to the will hollis and also moody there the match also moody out there the match is coming up i'm sure you're all going to be watching it. course you are. obviously one on gb news, right, it's time now news, but. right, it's time now for me for supplement sunday where me and stories that and panel discuss stories that caught let's caught our eye. danny, let's start supplement start with your supplement what's it all about tesco play

security cheese security tags on their cheese it's about it's really as a it's all about it's really as a side of the times tesco forced to put its security on its cheese fears cost of living cheese amid fears cost of living crisis customers could try and steal the cheese of . you ever steal the cheese of. you ever beenin steal the cheese of. you ever been in the boozer? normally in the town where the rough part of town where someone comes a of someone comes in with a load of stolen goods . the supermarkets. stolen goods. the supermarkets. the happened came the other week it happened came in eight legs of venison , £100. in eight legs of venison, £100. you think that's to date ? i get you think that's to date? i get identity, so i take the stolen cheese sauce. you know, there's need to explain it. he's a vegetarian . didn't get it. vegetarian. didn't get it. didn't get it. so right. peter, your supplement, which is about female football pundits. so yeah, i like the story in the sunday times and it's a piece by any aluko, a former england footballer just any aluko, a former england footballerjust highlighting any aluko, a former england footballer just highlighting the profile and the high quality output . female football pundits output. female football pundits and i think that's great. there are some very good male football punstin are some very good male football pundits in my life. people pundits in my life. some people like brooking hansen more like trevor brooking hansen more recently, keane, gary recently, roy keane, gary neville. but there's also of staleness among some of the pundits. so i think a broader

range of voices is really good. and of course some have played at the level a female. yes, at the level in a female. yes, but incomparable to highest but incomparable to the highest of the men's game . it's true. of the men's game. it's true. i draw the lessons to didier drogba, jamie vardy frank lampard rather than seem jazz. well, karen carney and nicola aluko because of experience . so aluko because of experience. so have you ever experienced one of them ever? yeah okay. well okay, you'll have to forgive me. but when they a goal, it goes very high pitched shrill. it's a difficult. i have been doing that as well. no, you don't shrill when they get excited you roll . right. and finally myself roll. right. and finally myself , which is all about the bbc i know diane is going to like that. the chairman admitting the company's liberal bias. also their problem, black asian britons have been warned that the bbc local radio cuts could result in the loss of airtime shows aimed at beam bailey. i hate that phrase, by the way. i'm doing it for quickness audiences . i'm doing it for quickness audiences. david i'm doing it for quickness audiences . david hollywood agent audiences. david hollywood agent lester, don abbott and toby lawrence are all among those who

signed the openly letter in the voice. they said that the bbc's to axe weekend an evening on engush to axe weekend an evening on english local radio was disproportionate and would disproportionately impact black media and journalists across the uk. however, bbc bosses denied the claim in the voice that plan was to replace all the shows with a single podcast on bbc . with a single podcast on bbc. what do you think, danielle they're going to get rid of by the sounds. it they're going to get rid of all the black ethnic minority programmes. well i don't know about that, but need to understand how unpopular radio has become. my local radio in coventry recently posted . in coventry recently posted. 6100.7 share. what that means is only one in 130 people who listen to the radio in coventry listen to the radio in coventry listen to the radio in coventry listen to bbc coventry local radio style . what is very very radio style. what is very very especially in the regional media iused especially in the regional media i used to work in a print there's a is trusted to a much greater extent by radio and newspaper sales have declined that's sad a high that's really sad there's a high level trust trust and level of trust trust and remember liz truss they gave her

a very tough time. remember liz truss they gave her a very tough time . all those a very tough time. all those regional journalists didn't they do? i don't know what to do? well i don't know what to say about that . i don't know. i say about that. i don't know. i think the bbc is maybe it should be local stop, but it's not profitable. and that's why we pay profitable. and that's why we pay money taxes were forced pay money into taxes were forced to what on to pay for it. what is on today's show we've been asking should allowed should dominic rob be allowed to be for serious be to parole for serious criminals? according to the poll, of you say yes. poll, 71% of you say yes. i agree with you. 29% of you say no.thank agree with you. 29% of you say no. thank my panel of no. thank you. so my panel of world and journalists danny world cup and journalists danny carey former at the carey and former editor at the peter reporting today as peter edwards reporting today as a huge thank you at home for your company. don't forget to us out live youtube have look at out live on youtube have look at the look don't forget the one about girls in alani i'll leave you with the weather. see you with the weather. i'll see you with the weather. i'll see you week . looking ahead to, you next week. looking ahead to, this evening's weather and the uk is looking cold and cloudy for many showers feeding in from the east . let's take a look at the east. let's take a look at the east. let's take a look at the details in the southwest be mostly drive, but it could be few showers. i should also a few breaks in the cloud in the

south—east, it'll be largely cloudy. the cloud will stop temperatures from dropping to low, but it will be cold. some rain. tim much. low, but it will be cold. some rain. tim much . wales will have rain. tim much. wales will have a dry evening . the best chance a dry evening. the best chance of any clear skies in the southwest with showers the northeast . it'll be cloudy end northeast. it'll be cloudy end to the day across the midlands as some showers are likely they will be intermittent and mostly . it'll be a different story in the northeast . the showers will the northeast. the showers will be frequent and heavy times. the showers could fall as sleet or snow over higher ground . western snow over higher ground. western parts of scotland will stay mostly dry with clear skies meaning. it will be cold, said the east. we can expect more cloud and wintry showers this evening and overnight. meanwhile northern ireland, we can expect some showers mainly towards northern western parts with some clear spells in between, but perhaps not as chilly as last night . showers will continue to

night. showers will continue to feed in from the northeast overnight with chillier clearer weather in the west . and that's weather in the west. and that's how the weather shaping up overnight into tomorrow morning .