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hello it's me again, laurence fox stepping in for nigel for one week. only well, until the next time on me. anyway, tonight i've got view of free speech, debate. my absolute favourite, the royal race row rumbles on an england football legend on the back of a fantastic win in the world cup and on talking points. commissioner has dedicated his life to right the wrongs of this world. but first, the news would touch on centrist . laurens. touch on centrist. laurens. thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the rmt has announced an extra strike on network rail from christmas eve until 6 am. on the 27th of
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december next week, the strikes will also go ahead as planned . will also go ahead as planned. the union says its members will vote on the latest offer from network rail with a recommendation to reject it. number ten says the current offer of an 8% pay rise over two years, as well as a guarantee of no compulsory, redundant since before april 20, 24, is fair. the union rejected that deal, saying it won't protect its members and will lead to unsafe practises . gb news understands practises. gb news understands an eighth child has died after contracting strep a. it follows a 12 year old child being the first secondary school student to have died after contracting the invasive infection . the uk the invasive infection. the uk health security agency confirmed a single case was identified. a school in south london. downing street is urging parents to be on the lookout for symptoms and says there are no shortages of antibiotics . more than 850 cases antibiotics. more than 850 cases were reported in the week
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starting the 14th of november, compared to over 180 for the same period last year. labour says it will look at abolishing the house of lords if it wins the house of lords if it wins the next general election. sir keir starmer set out his blueprint for a new britain dunng blueprint for a new britain during a speech in leeds, promising the biggest ever transfer of power from westminster to nations and regions. if his party comes into power. launching a report which was led by former prime minister gordon brown, he vowed to overhaul the way the country is governed . downing street says governed. downing street says it's confident the uk has sufficient energy supplies ahead of temperatures severe is set to drop this week. a cold weather alert has been issued for england with severe conditions forecast from 6 pm. wednesday to next monday . a yellow warning to next monday. a yellow warning for snow has also been issued for snow has also been issued for northern scotland with temperatures expected to fall to as low as minus ten overnight. healthcare services are urging people to protect the vulnerable and high risk groups.
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people to protect the vulnerable and high risk groups . police say and high risk groups. police say watches and jewellery was stolen dunng watches and jewellery was stolen during a burglar at raheem sterling's home. the england forward's family came home to find a number of items were missing. but surrey police say it's not clear when they were taken . manager gareth southgate taken. manager gareth southgate hasn't been able to confirm whether the football will return to qatar to play in the world cup quarter final this weekend. meanwhile england is now preparing to take on reigning champions france on saturday. bukayo saka scored against senegal last night in the three nil victory. he says england have nothing to fear in their upcoming clash . there's no upcoming clash. there's no doubt, you know, the quality we have in our team, you know, we're blessed to have an amazing front line with so much quality attacking players. and when you get selected in that in that line up , it shows how much line up, it shows how much confidence and trust the coach puts in you. so it gives you that sort of confidence to go out and shine. and last out there and shine. and last night you were able to do the tv
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onune night you were able to do the tv online and dab+ radio . this is online and dab+ radio. this is gb news. now it's back to faraj, but laurence . but laurence. good evening . if you've only good evening. if you've only just been paying attention to the bbc or any of the other corrupt mainstream media organisations recently , you may organisations recently, you may well have missed the biggest story on earth this past week. other than the english kneeling society putting on yet another sterling show for a rather bemused looking senegal national team. the story in question is that the outcome of the 2020 us presidential election may not be all it seems. i'm not talking about ballot harvesting, early voting , changes to voter about ballot harvesting, early voting, changes to voter id about ballot harvesting, early voting , changes to voter id laws voting, changes to voter id laws or glitches voting machines. although all of these are contrary tied to a fundamental shift in the way that every american election from this day
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forward will be run. i'm talking about collusion , not between about collusion, not between donald trump and the russians, but between big tech and the soon to be anointed joe biden administration . it all started administration. it all started with a tweet the babylon bee , an with a tweet the babylon bee, an onune with a tweet the babylon bee, an online satirical magazine named a rather attractive chap called admiral rachel levine , assistant admiral rachel levine, assistant secretary for health in the usa man of the year and the nonbinary a stars. it was it wasn't mental and decided that this statement of biological fact shattered that community guidelines and henceforth locked the b out of their account unless they deleted the hate tweet. anyway long story short, seth dylan babylon ceo had no intention of removing said tweet and this prompted elon musk to enter the fray and possibly immortal words. i may need to buy twitter , which he did after buy twitter, which he did after some wrangling, and in doing so , he may just have done the single greatest service to freedom of speech in the
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internet era. musk is a brave man and a genius. he's made the most valuable automotive brand worldwide from scratch. he builds rockets and sends them into space all whilst having enough time to smoke the devil's lettuce and shoot the breeze with joe rogan. he's an iconoclast , an eccentric, and iconoclast, an eccentric, and most importantly, he's a true liberal in the classical sense, rather than in the modern insane child mutilations supporting doomsday cult . child mutilations supporting doomsday cult. his compelled speech fanatic cancel culture isn't so . having nip to the isn't so. having nip to the cashpoint for $44 billion required the keys to twitter hq were handed over and once inside he started rummaging around in the cupboards to see what he could find. he then announced he was going to release his findings. the twitter files , as findings. the twitter files, as he them, not to a he calls them, not to a mainstream media outlet, but to an independent journalist. matt taibbi . what has come out in taibbi. what has come out in this first tranche? the second is due imminently. it's quite simply shocking. well not to us.
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conspiracy, factual , because we conspiracy, factual, because we already knew on account of us not much enjoying the taste of the beast which comes from our own regime as propaganda from the bbc or their american alternatives . cnn and msnbc , the alternatives. cnn and msnbc, the new york post revealed prior to the presidential election that they had seen the contents of hunter biden's laptop, which you not bothered to pick up from a repair shop owing to the mind boggung repair shop owing to the mind boggling amounts of chemicals you'd consume that day. the contents of this laptop revealed in between some fairly spicy pictures of hunter's sex life. actual collusion between the bidens and an entire host of foreign companies and countries from ukraine to beijing . huge from ukraine to beijing. huge sums changed hands between these entities and hunter biden. and that was always a clause stipulating . 10% for the big guy stipulating. 10% for the big guy who could tap be on mondays . who could tap be on mondays. twitter at the time decided to
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stop this story being shared even as a direct message. sanction usually reserved for the most appalling content. the sharing of child, for example . sharing of child, for example. they did this despite there being no reason to believe the story was false in any way to this collusion in this matter was long suspected, but only this week confirmed. thanks to elon musk and his quest for the truth . since this egregious truth. since this egregious piece of censorship took place, several surveys and polls have revealed that had democratic voters known of this laptop from hell as miranda devine called her fantastic book on the subject, it would have affected the way that some democrats would have voted. so there you go . there was collusion in the go. there was collusion in the 2020 presidential race, just not the collusion . the democrats in the collusion. the democrats in the collusion. the democrats in the media wanted you to believe that was colluding with that trump was colluding with the russians. instead and the pesky russians. instead and it was the bidens who are colluding with big tech ukraine and china. now i make this point
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because the democrats sister party in the uk labour have said that they will reinstate the legal but harmful clause to the onune legal but harmful clause to the online safety bill, which will give the state the right to remove pretty much anything onune remove pretty much anything online which they deem harmful, convenient . that isn't it. convenient. that isn't it. seeing as we are staring down the barrel of a labour government currently in the next couple of years, that should give us all pause. as here in england, we may not have such a generous billionaire to make sure the public know the truth, the whole truth , and nothing but the whole truth, and nothing but the whole truth, and nothing but the truth . so i'm asking you, the truth. so i'm asking you, does this government care about free speech? email me faraj gb news uk or use the hashtag barrage on . gb news. well, like barrage on. gb news. well, like i mentioned , the online safety i mentioned, the online safety bill returned to parliament today after a five month delay. the controversial law originally contained a lawful but harmful
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clause that would see certain social media companies remove post related controversial topics, such as surviving suicide, domestic violence, abuse and self—harm. this has since been removed. the proposed law would change would also see that social media companies would have to hand over data to the breed families in the event of users taking their own lives. it is being supported by several high profile child protection charities. and i'm joined now by founder president of the founder and president of the free speech toby young. free speech union, toby young. as well as sharon gallagher, who appeared island and is appeared on love island and is a campaigner for the online safety bill. okay . so for us at home, bill. okay. so for us at home, we don't really know what's going on. what is the online safety bill? so the online safety bill? so the online safety bill? so the online safety bill was unveiled in 2018 by sacha javid. then the home secretary, and he said it was intending a piece of legislation that would make britain the safest place in the world to go . and this was in response to understandable concern about the harm that some unfiltered content was doing to children
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onune. content was doing to children online . but in the course of the online. but in the course of the last four years, when we've had not one but three new prime ministers since 2018, it's sort of mushroomed into something much bigger and it's no longer designed simply to protect children. it's also so a new clause has crept in, which is designed to protect adults from content that is supposedly legal, but harmful to them and obviously of some concern to free speech concern us, not least because one of the founding principles of english common law is that if something isn't explicitly prohibited , isn't explicitly prohibited, then it's permitted. that's the foundation of english liberty, quite different to the continent where where unless something is explicitly permitted, then it's prohibited . but this creates prohibited. but this creates a grey area which departs from that principle. this concept of something which is legal, but harmful. and under the previous version of the bill, big provider is like facebook, twitter , youtube. we're going to twitter, youtube. we're going to be encouraged to remove this legal but harmful content which
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the government was going to designate in a separate statutory instrument, which could easily be updated by future labour digital secretaries in the way described. now the new version of the bill, which was unveiled by michelle donelan in parliament today, she's the new digital secretary, is bit better. so the leak of a clause has gone . big providers are has gone. big providers are still going to be able to say how they're going to give users tools to protect themselves from that content. if they don't want to see it. so something like a safe browsing mode for those social media platforms, but they're not going to encourage they're not going to encourage the platforms to panic altogether. it still has altogether. so it still has problems from a free speech point view all the point of view because all the default are going to default settings are going to be the safety settings which you the safety settings in which you won't be able to get, for instance, news unless instance, gb news content unless you them back to unsafe you dial them back to unsafe settings because gb news content may designated unsafe by by may be designated unsafe by by facebook . but if we can address facebook. but if we can address thatissue facebook. but if we can address that issue , i think we're on our that issue, i think we're on our way a more liberal bill in way to a more liberal bill in which everyone is their own content. moderator we're not relying you . no legislation,
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relying on you. no legislation, legislation to protect them from harmful content, which is perfectly sharon , i perfectly legal. and sharon, i look through my twitter feed is legal but harmful, some of it illegal. but harmful. and why use such fun? why am i such a fan of the online safety bill mainly because while the justice department have recently added to the new the new bill that to the new to the new bill that was released today, deepfake was released today, but deepfake will illegal at the will be made illegal at the current it's not sending current moment. it's not sending unsolicited photos is not illegal. it will be illegal as part of the bill and actually, you know, i don't think it's about moderating content. when you when you look at things such as suicide, for example, we've seen cases such molly raso , seen cases such as molly raso, it's recover, how to it's not how to recover, how to like, ways to find out . it like, ways to find out. it teaches you how to do things that are harmful to yourself. and that's we're seeing such and that's why we're seeing such a of young people, a big increase of young people, especially women , especially young women, suffering at the hands of social media giant tech companies, twitter , regardless of where we twitter, regardless of where we all disagree whether , well, all disagree on whether, well, i know three, how very know us three, how very
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different opinions on the law must take recently must take over. but recently i've increase of i've seen a massive increase of right tweets coming off my right wing tweets coming off my twitter don't follow twitter feed. i don't follow these accounts . i've got loads these accounts. i've got loads of wing tweets coming up of left wing tweets coming up going, die tomorrow. going, i hope you die tomorrow. it's i mean, i'm not it's amazing. i mean, i'm not saying that i hate your kids are dead or do you ever get to see your kids and you're the worst, most evil person in the world? and i just call it this sticks and may break my bones, and stones may break my bones, but do. that's but words will never do. that's all and good. like, i'm all well and good. like, i'm sorry that receiving sorry that you're receiving those tweets, and i don't think anything. don't want them anything. i don't want them banned, people banned, though. i think people should harm me like should be able to harm me like that. that's beside the that. right. that's beside the point. out of point. you all want out of however many. i personally don't want receiving end want to be on the receiving end of kinds of messages of those kinds of messages and i am on a daily basis another yeah, but i don't want to see that. what do you want to see that. what do you want to see that are so different than that are not so different than you one very few people you are one of very few people that okay with seeing. that is okay with seeing. you can would be happy with can ask would you be happy with the empowerment model which the user empowerment model which is version of bill, is in the new version of bill, in if you want to see in which if you want to see content that's legal, but you regard offensive regard as offensive and upsetting, can adjust your
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upsetting, you can adjust your own safety settings prevent own safety settings to prevent you seeing that. but you're you from seeing that. but you're not social media not requiring the social media companies to ban it for everyone. is that going to be a setting for or is setting set for adults or is that going to be setting the set for children? i don't for children? because i don't necessarily think for adults, the age of 18 are to put the age of 18 are going to put those settings in place, because i certain i know that there are certain things out that are already in place media platforms place on social media platforms to i'd go to protect myself. well, i'd go to, example, the young to, for example, the young children don't use those, but set phone up. and he set my son's phone up. and he asked to would you asked me, said to me, would you like to 10, 13, 10 to 11? like 9 to 10, 13, 10 to 11? there's some quite strong online protection already. and i said, my son's little bit my son's actually a little bit higher. went, he can go 12, higher. i went, he can go 12, 13, because you know, he's got some spicy flavours in some pretty spicy flavours in youtube. we probably youtube. but i think we probably all agree that should all agree that it should be possible parents be able possible for parents to be able to their children's social to set their children's social media they media settings to safe so they don't they don't see any don't see, they don't see any material going trigger material that's going to trigger them, but there them, upset them, etc. but there is there is a problem with age verification. and came up verification. and it came up recently. conservative recently. so the conservative woman, a of centre woman, a right of centre conservative online magazine, contacted the free speech union to say we've been blocked by
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three. mobile service phone three. the mobile service phone provider . three. the mobile service phone provider. and three. the mobile service phone provider . and the three. the mobile service phone provider. and the reason we've been blocked is because they outsourced content moderation to the british board of film classification . they said classification. they said classify or give them classify websites or give them a pg 15 or 18 rating and if they rated 18 will ban them on our default settings in case children can access. many said they decided they decided it's all very well to say let's protect children from content only suitable for adults. but in that case, what happened was it meant three banning the conservative woman on the grounds that it was only suitable for adults and therefore just children, but therefore not just children, but anyone couldn't adjust the anyone who couldn't adjust the default phone, couldn't default on their phone, couldn't access the conservative woman. so be careful that. so we need to be careful that. self—censorship creep in self—censorship doesn't creep in the of protecting children the guise of protecting children that way. but for example , that way. but for example, twitter, a previous elon musk takeover , had banned specific takeover, had banned specific people i say his name? and people dare i say his name? and you in one of them and you type in one of them and actually, i see a massive increase misogyny online and actually, i see a massive in
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meeting with my local mp on friday talking about harassment of young women with a 16 year old constituent. and i was told by a group of 14 year olds they'd love to see me going round. violent, round. oh, quite violent, explicit things which have explicit things which they have learnt online . one minute, no learnt online. no one minute, no one is denying that 14 year old boys say the most ridiculous, horrible do i should be to walk home. but you should or shouldn't be terrified to walk home. the world is an imperfect place. and what one can't do is turn around to an adult and go for the sake of a bunch of 14 year old boys being horrible . year old boys being horrible. you and so sorry that you and i'm so sorry that happened that content has be happened that content has to be moderated into oblivion. i just that it into oblivion if you can if you can sell to me i think all the all points you raised being really good about suicide about self—harm, about this stuff. no. amongst that . but as stuff. no. amongst that. but as you an adult, you've got you become an adult, you've got to develop a sense of your own backbone , which is i'm going to backbone, which is i'm going to get abuse. your public figure, you were on love island, for
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goodness sake, right? you are. i don't see much love island , but don't see much love island, but i think there's a lot of bikinis as long as the last time i started online at the age of 14, regardless of love island and actually i think it gets worse more i talk about issues impacting young women because men on the internet are trying to censor me. i destroyed a century on your own , as in no, century on your own, as in no, i'm on tv. it's quite moment in time. but men on the internet. we are on a tv show have tried to sentence me for stopping talking about issues i find very important to talk about by sending hateful messages. sending me hateful messages. because like the because i feel like with the timing. no. you said timing. no, no, no. you said misogyny exist. it is. misogyny does exist. yes, it is. i didn't i mean, i think chunks . yes, it stands. yes, sure. so it's out there. yeah. and i think all of us want to reduce violence , even hate full speech violence, even hate full speech towards women and girls . but the towards women and girls. but the problem is, i think you're assuming that if you suppress this kind of content, if you ban andrew tate from twitter, that's going to reduce violence towards
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women and girls . whereas women and girls. whereas actually the evidence suggests that in more authoritarian, more censorious societies like iran and saudi arabia , there is much and saudi arabia, there is much more violence towards women and girls that in more liberal, less censorious society, is like scandinavian countries, for instance . and i think the instance. and i think the problem with saying you must ban perfectly lawful but hateful speech is who gets to decide whether it's hateful. a lot of gender critical voices were banned by twitter under the previous regime if you said, previous regime. if you said, i don't think a woman can have a penis i don't think penis or i don't think transwomen are women or trans women to access women should be able to access women's you were women's refuges. you were banned. considered hate banned. that was considered hate speech under the previous regime. difficulty is if regime. so the difficulty is if you allow hate speech to be banned and you appoint, you know , these moderators at twitter to decide us what we can decide for all of us what we can and can't see. you're then into censorship . it doesn't censorship. it doesn't necessarily help people want necessarily help people you want to of his how to protect how much of his how much of mr. tate's content have you ever witnessed yourself? well, know, what spooky well, you know, what is spooky is that i the only time i tried to put in these kerbs on age was
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the fact that i found both my children i'd never mentioned the word undertake to them at both of them watching andrew tate and i had to go right. this has got to stop. yeah but this is happening . toby's right. if you happening. toby's right. if you ban it, it just go somewhere else. you know, i think all the points she made a really good and i think it is it is important that we pay more attention to the vile abuse women particularly receive onune women particularly receive online and we all receive online . but we also don't make a distinction that it's online, you know, and but it's not it's transparent to real life based on the example i just gave you, that kind of language is definitely, i believe learnt from online platforms like characters like andrew tate. unfortunately when we see people that commit very serious crimes from a of behaviour that from a pattern of behaviour that stems when they were very stems from when they were very young and is learnt, tell the story. that's arguable story. that's not to arguable and contentious, can , you and contentious, but we can, you know, fact. but we know, that's not fact. but we can agree that that's been interesting discussion thank interesting discussion and thank you forjoining me on.
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you both forjoining me on. okeydokey right when right how i can never work with anything. okay right . otherwise go up for okay right. otherwise go up for it. sorry to stop me when i need to. really. i got this shame on. all right. runs the royal race round out cut me out of the royal lifestyle. it doesn't seem to be going away like my ability to be going away like my ability to operate auto cue machine .
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by well come back tonight i'm asking you does this government care about free speech not says our government look on at the chinese with envy. i think want to remove free speech it i've got to agree with you it does
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make life easier for governments, doesn't it? if they can shut up the plebs. michael says. our government only believes in free speech if it benefits their cause. i couldn't agree more, diane says. i'm afraid this government does not believe in free speech. they have ruined our country. oh, i with i love this . with everyone. i love this. richard says. the government or the opposition, for that matter, would the of free would not the right of free speech if it conflicts with their agenda . that's exactly their agenda. that's exactly right. that's why we want to right. and that's why we want to remove free speech, because free speech is the weapon in the engine of people that don't engine room of people that don't have loads of money. have power and loads of money. and and private and lamborghinis and private jets around the world jets who walk around the world lecturing about the climate . lecturing us about the climate. anyway, no . our anyway, ken says no. our government and all of westminster do not support free speech nor the freedom of the individual. we've known that for the last years as they tried the last two years as they tried to us to get, you know, to force us to get, you know, what as always , get in touch, what it as always, get in touch, email. pharrell at gb news uk or . use the hashtag farage on gb news. it's time for what the fox
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moment and it is that we're actually quite good at football . 56 years of hurt is too much for any man or woman to take. so excuse me if i may be jumping the gun, but i'm suggesting that maybe, just maybe , football maybe, just maybe, football might be coming home. yesterday it goes from henderson cane and soccer. according to my son , saw soccer. according to my son, saw us confirm spot in the quarter finals of the world cup against the current holders france . it the current holders france. it might not be an easy one, but history tells we do love a battle with the french. joining me now is india's most capped pair, peter shilton. good evening, peter. how are you doing? lawrence i'm very well and enjoying the world cup. it's been a world cup of surprises , been a world cup of surprises, but obviously now we're getting down to the nitty gritty, where it really matters how we got enough to stop the old franchise . i'm hoping so. i think if we
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do, if we do, stop the french, as you put it, then i think we can start dreaming about actually winning the world cup . actually winning the world cup. up actually winning the world cup. up to now. i think we've done well, you know, we've we've beaten what i call moderate opposition, but we've done it well . but the opposition, but we've done it well. but the big test is obviously against france. obviously world cup winners . do obviously world cup winners. do you have. sorry because i've got to take you back to my major bugbear in life about the kneeling . do you. was there kneeling. do you. was there politics in the game when you were playing ? no, i can't really were playing? no, i can't really remember anything , any politics. remember anything, any politics. and i suppose that's why, you know, i'm against politics in football when it when it goes on to the football pitch or in the stadium. you know , i think stadium. you know, i think politics outside . yeah, we you politics outside. yeah, we you know, we've got kick out races to me in football there's a lot of very good things being done but you know i personally you know, wouldn't wouldn't want to
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take the name but been a team player i would basically you know go with the majority. i mean if the majority of the team to take it i wouldn't you know, just pick the one out sort of thing or i would definitely go along with the team, but generally i wouldn't i wouldn't feel i feel it is something that's there's lost its impact a little bit now was it i mean it struck me as strange that the england football team were kneeling and the senegalese football team just looked confused to them. i do. i don't think there should be politics in football. so and we've had the 1996 song there, football's home. and is it going to come home, do you think? we've got a real chance here ? yeah i mean, real chance here? yeah i mean, at the moment, you know, we've got a lot of splendour, youth and experience and an experience now . you know, we've got to the now. you know, we've got to the world cup semi—final last time it was played and we got to euros final. so you know, we
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have we have been doing quite well in the tournament. and, you know, this is a big test. i think we're as good as we have beenin think we're as good as we have been in those tournament . so been in those tournament. so i think we're the strongest. we have been and yeah, it's all to play have been and yeah, it's all to play for. it's going to be tough against the french, but who's to say we can't do ? and being the say we can't do? and being the same is and then i think we've got a great chance as a set of actually win it but we've got to overcome the french first with some great players and mbappe and players like that . they're and players like that. they're world class players and he's been your player of english of the tournament from on the engush the tournament from on the english team so far. i think bellingham you know he's is come in is a young lad not a lot of experience for england you know he's come very light but he is looked so mature and he looks so strong and he's he scored a very good goal you know in in the first match. the first goal
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which got us on our way. i think he's a revelation, really. but you know, i think generally , you you know, i think generally, you know, the team the team has played well, you know , harry played well, you know, harry kane's been a little bit of form in terms of goals. but the other night he got his first goal. and, you know, that could the floodgates. no. and harry kane because he is a natural goalscorer and just what is the pressure like when you walk out , you know, to play for your country to stand in front ? i country to stand in front? i have this memory. please me if i'm wrong of you having this horrible, dodgy deflection of a free kick that skied right over your head when you were playing, the germans would did that happen? or am i imagining it? no lawn shooter . i got a good lawn shooter. i got a good memory. it was in the italian nine two world cup semi—final and it was an end to end game and it was an end to end game and they got a free kick and. it was it was . you cover the free was it was. you cover the free kick, you get to one side of the goal and then it's not square
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for a direction. so you kind of got to change your position and you get square on and all of a sudden the balls took a wicked deflection and is going in the one place sit down. and i just didn't get a chance just to get my body side on, which is what you do as a goalkeeper to go backwards. and so i had to sort of trying my best and it wasn't in one place i didn't want in the one place i didn't want it and was a fluke it to. and it was a fluke completely . but we got an completely. but we got an equaliser and thankfully . and equaliser and thankfully. and then we went in and lost the penalty shootout. well, you also made your cell mate. my father , made your cell mate. my father, your career . made your cell mate. my father, your career. i think you will say a tear to my father's eye. that free kick . anyway, thank that free kick. anyway, thank you, peter shilton . england you, peter shilton. england legend forever . right up next, legend forever. right up next, the royal race row rumbles on back through. now .
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hello right. some more of your reactions. i asked you earlier , reactions. i asked you earlier, does this government care about free speech? one viewer says, of course they care , but something course they care, but something must be done to stop the hate. okay, this is confusing. who decides what the hate is? i mean, go through my twitter profile. i mean, i foolishly don't get it on the street. i only get it online because cowards accounts. but who gets to decide what hate is? and also hate is a natural human emotion like love . we shouldn't have to like love. we shouldn't have to stop it . anyway, james says, stop it. anyway, james says, they do . but the vile tweets and they do. but the vile tweets and graphic content need to stop. it is awful . the problem with the is awful. the problem with the internet , it's a lawless land internet, it's a lawless land and probably should remain so . and probably should remain so. they want to control everything we do . another viewer says, we do. another viewer says, david says , we need something to david says, we need something to change . but i do fear that the
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change. but i do fear that the government may be going too far . may i say one tea, charlotte ? . may i say one tea, charlotte? or another viewer says the online safety bill is an attack on all freedoms. you know what? it is usually government legislation that says something like the equality act doesn't create equality online safety bill is definitely not going to be create more online safety. it's just going to squeeze our right to speak and express ourselves more honestly. so because i had to put up with horrible comments online a while. why is it such a bad thing to stop this? because it's called free speech. and if people can't say horrible things to each other, they can't say nice things to each other ehhen nice things to each other either. then again, we're back to argument of who what is to the argument of who what is nice, horrible, what is nice, what is horrible, what is harmful. you're better off allowing this horror little minority people say that minority of people to say that vile things on twitter and no one right more one cares. right more importantly. well, not more importantly, nothing's more importantly, nothing's more important than free speech. but anyway, the gb news tavern is and it is time for talking pints
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. tonight i am very privileged and honoured to joined by and honoured to be joined by alan activist, alan miller, activist, co—founder of london's old treatment brewery and the night time industries association and the together declaration . alan the together declaration. alan online bill like first. online safety bill like first. cheers, brother. cheers mate. good to see you too , online good to see you too, online safety bill. what do you reckon ? i think the online safety bill are very problematic , i should are very problematic, i should say. first of all, well done to everyone that has campaigns to challenge the egregious elements in it, which some of which have gone through the lawful but harmful element has gone. that's good, but we've got a big problem, which is that the government is now seeking to have big tech , silicon valley, have big tech, silicon valley, the mores of those companies decides through their terms and conditions what we kind of cannot say. so in a sovereign nafion cannot say. so in a sovereign nation where we've had generations and centuries of people who've put their lives on the line, who fought and died to enshrine and protect all rights
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to free speech, will now be decided in silicon valley. and we've seen what that looked like in the past. and we've seen with the twitter files and other things what that's looked like in the last few days. so i'm very concerned that the government thinks that it always wants to keep us safe . and some wants to keep us safe. and some of the comments, this idea that they keep us safe. but actually it's very dangerous, we should say because say it's very dangerous because if we're not allowed to air out onune if we're not allowed to air out online , bill, if we're not online, bill, if we're not allowed to discuss ideas, we should remind ourselves that some of the most infamous ideas that were the most offensive were like universal were things like universal suffrage . the idea women suffrage. the idea that women should have the vote yes revolving sun . revolving around the sun. copernicus, galileo , the copernicus, galileo, the scientists that were , you know, scientists that were, you know, tortured . martin luther here tortured. martin luther here i stand. i can do no other. right? which led to the reformation and the ability for us all to have conscious thoughts and to speak powerfully . cheering and so you powerfully. cheering and so you know, people always saying, oh, truth to power, but like to challenge those in power and to
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be a heretic . you know, now the be a heretic. you know, now the new heresy is to say that your free speech absolutism, i think, is important to say that that, you know, there some terrible, horrible things . and i really horrible things. and i really don't enjoy seeing. and i hate the flipside of free speech is tolerance and tolerance doesn't mean you go along with everything you say, hey, that's all. tolerance means that you tolerate it, but you robustly criticise it and you can say, i think it's ridiculous . i think think it's ridiculous. i think it's unplaced i think you're wrong, but i want to convince someone else who i don't agree with the merit and the virtue of my argument and i believe in the ability of humans to work things out to shine the light of reason as an antiseptic on bad ideas . as an antiseptic on bad ideas. the problem with the government and the online safety bill is that you know, the last few decades we've had all these technocrats that i city have now become petrified of . ask the become petrified of. ask the public. they think that they need to keep us safe because they we're all about they think we're all about to turn these they think we
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turn into these or they think we are already mad, bad and dangerous. they think that they need decide or big tech needs need to decide or big tech needs decide great and the good. decide the great and the good. how unwashed sees how the great unwashed sees things, how we exercise judgement never judgement because you never guess so what's guess what? lawrence so what's going happen is people are going to happen is people are suddenly going to terrible suddenly going to do terrible things hear see things though hear and see things though hear and see things want the thing things and they want the thing that's preposterous. that's silly. i agree with that bit silly. oh, i agree with that bit and not that bad. they'll just suddenly start doing terrible things. and think the big things. and i think the big concern is that we've what concern now is that we've what has on the us campuses has happened on the us campuses with free speech now come into the workplace everywhere. what can be said and even to the palace riot. so we've now got a situation where everywhere we dominated by speech this dominated by speech codes. this idea that you know if you give offences a problem and young people are being put up without actually the arguments made so robustly , then they don't have robustly, then they don't have emotional and mental robustness because they're not taught it. they taught that kids are told that offence is more important than anything. that's and this is my problem is you've got to
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have you've got to drag the hay out into light, which is what you're saying. and i agree with you're saying. and i agree with you , it is hateful and horrible. you, it is hateful and horrible. and we and all think it's hateful in the hall. we just drag out, as i said, what's anyone else thing? and they'll generally point it and go scummy, but to scummy, we don't like it, but to sacrifice the entire thing, if someone's a feeling of whether they're being a bit hearty for they're being a bit hearty for the nature of the sentence is something we're going to say something we're going to say some horrible things alone. i think is an egregious attack on on our personal liberty. and you know what? we had two years of having one debate, of which there was only one side. exactly. and now we lost our ninth child today to a strep infection. exactly. you know what i mean? there was no other side that debate and people dying as a result of this stuff . so you who have always been very good at this and you know , very good at this and you know, make some bunkers, will always campaign for this for this right for us to express ourselves . it
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for us to express ourselves. it gives the working person, i hate to stand because it sounds patronising and classes but it gives the person with nothing. power is . the only thing that we power is. the only thing that we have guarantees is the ability to live freely . without that, we to live freely. without that, we don't have it. it's really interesting that michelle donovan, secretary of state dc to has gone along with this idea that they're actually going to give it to big tech to decide them. and lucy powell says well we don't want to substitute free speech for the terrible impacts and harms that can happen. and i think the also people mistake what is said by what is done. think the also people mistake what is said by what is done . we what is said by what is done. we have a whole lot of rules that are done. there and i really think that rather than the idea that people are keeping us safe , we champion the idea that we should remind ourselves, because in the last week or two, we've had some very horrible things said about britain that this is a remarkable country, a very welcoming, integrated. welcoming, very integrated. yes, it's welcoming, very integrated. yes, ifs and welcoming, very integrated. yes, it's and there are it's got problems and there are issues. those issues don't issues. but those issues don't get either. if can't get resolved either. if we can't convince and people over
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convince and win people over with ideas . i don't with our ideas. and i don't agree with many people. most people. right but the only way that you can really those things resolved actually you you resolved and actually you you can win someone over. this is the problem. a lot people in the problem. a lot of people in politics given up the old politics have given up the old left, the old right. they've given idea that people given up on the idea that people make and then you need to win them to ideas and you need to be held accountable. so instead they just want to not in they just want to do not in front of the children. now, there are issues really, really concerning ones about some terrible on terrible things that go on online. we're to come to online. we're going to come to that. going to come that. they're going to come down. we're going to be back after the sorry, after the break. sorry, i someone me in my ear, we someone tells me in my ear, we got to see you in a minute.
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welcome back . it's talking pints welcome back. it's talking pints with alan miller, activist and co—founder of london's old treatment brewery and the time
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industries association and the together declaration , i thought together declaration, i thought was a really rather good idea. anyway, look, i kemi is against this stuff. she's voiced her concern. yeah. sirjohn hayes , concern. yeah. sirjohn hayes, always a smart dude . do you always a smart dude. do you think there's a there's enough wannabe in the government to mess with this before they get chucked out by labour in two years? well david david has also been an amendment to say that there should we should not end encryption , because one of the encryption, because one of the other things that is snoop is charter. in the sense of charter that they want to get rid of encryption which is on signal on whatsapp other areas and whatsapp and other areas and scan every conversation and discussion, not they may discussion, they're not they may all they well people bit all they well some people a bit like there's been like saying there's always been some there have been some people and there have been spies i've looked at email and things like that but you have rules regulations rules and regulations and not everyone point prior everyone so to your point prior to break , if you think about to the break, if you think about all scientists, the all the scientists, the journalists and activists journalists and the activists and are saying all and many people are saying all sorts that like sorts of things that look like they're case. but some they're the case. but some people things as
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people said wacky things as well, all of them have well, right? all of them have gone and there are significant issues real safety well issues about real safety as well for encryption and if you are in a dangerous situation domestically , if you are domestically, if you are politically a whistleblower, but actually attacks state transactions and we see this around digital id discussion as well and increasingly becoming the potential of it becoming a social credit system, the ability to be able to communicate without being surveyed , having privacy and surveyed, having privacy and i think that as technology develops, is exciting and it's convenience and it's really good and we should have that. but we've got to be able to insist on defending those rights already . the minute this stupid already. the minute this stupid thing was invented, it's gone digital. i d all of it's gone well, when is the royal mint and now they're printing the prince charles £50 note. yeah, well, so we have an event on wednesday for anyone who wants to come actually on this very issue, digital day. yes, central bank, digital currencies. what, no cash. digital currencies. what, no cash . atm machines. cash one
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cash. atm machines. cash one question is older people already have problems in how this is all playing out . but the idea, for playing out. but the idea, for instance, oxford city council is on the news because . it wants to on the news because. it wants to have a locked down climate stop, people going out so the areas they would but you see that what's happening is if you look at things like making sure you get your rubbish recycled the right way all your carbon has thrown all of your plastic in the rubbish and they start finding you right. and if you look at things that we've seen like with the truckers and trudeau a accounts and we trudeau a bank accounts and we look at people like you know all sorts paypal and that sorts paypal and others that have things because of what have done things because of what you said. you start realising the the technocrats the concerns of the technocrats in attempts to these in me attempts to use these things like id they in things like digital id they in that restrictive imposition way is a problem. however nothing is a fait accompli , right? we the a fait accompli, right? we the people , ordinary people as have people, ordinary people as have made history. right. if you think about what we managed to do and you know, i've got to say, lawrence, as well, you very
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importantly outspoken and being brave. and the vaccine mandates the passports , which the vaccine passports, which is a to digital day a precursor to digital july day . putting us out . and actually putting us out there where of people in there where a lot of people in there where a lot of people in the industry, i should say i'm never going to get it now anyway. in your industry, web, you father there. i you go to my father there. i think you've got the wig, johnny. don't problem exactly. yeah but you know, that's the thing . courage speaking out when thing. courage speaking out when . you know the consequences to yourself a bit like martin luther here i stand i can do no other but those things are really important. and we all stopped together. and you were involved in that and many others . the vaccine mandates. right. and we like nhs 100 . the vaccine mandates. right. and we like nhs100 k many others and we put a limit on vaccine, passports and we and a lot of people around the world looked at britain and what was happening and. the fact is that we've also stopped universities insisting on a mandate way after the mandate there we've had some impact the online safety bill and actually think we can cure the world. right. it's up to us
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and i think we have a responsibility to put pressure on our elected representatives, councillors and mps and government and say this is what we think about things and put pressure on them because we found that when we do calls to action and we do that with them they have to respond and we put pressure they know where pressure and they know where they're also they're and that's why i also together the together association you association we have tell you back one of our back democracy as one of our things what we mean by that things and what we mean by that is saying that the public needs to of things much more to be at the of things much more is over the democracy is came over on the democracy front. mean people think front. i mean people think that we live democracy we still live in democracy i think absolutely bonkers that they think all of our mates who used to vote conservative i'm just going to vote labour because it's the only alternative. so you've got things together, you got things like together, you got things like together, you got things reform , my stuff, things like reform, my stuff, reclaim got million little policies. you gotta be cutting . policies. you gotta be cutting. you got you got all these and none of these that long trip. there's not a single one. well i mean, you and i have a beer once in a while, but we don't get together and go. look, here's your problem . we will around
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your problem. we will around a certain set of core principles belong to the british people, one of them being freedom of speech. the one being bodily autonomy . that would do me as a autonomy. that would do me as a manifesto. yeah julie. as i'd be done. you could have me there. and why you , guys? why is there and why you, guys? why is there no react should go? let's get. let's get let's get a panel on of all the people standing that might want to be in opposition. but what we together are saying is this are actually going to is this we are actually going to we are launching a shadow cabinet that going have cabinet that going to have a number of different people. do you maybe did for you my audience, maybe i did for esp got in everything but esp i've got in everything but basically where we have a number of different people. speaking of different our core is different but our core point is the to be at the the public has to be at the heart of things in the shadow cabinet. absolute only if you want to be major. you know, i'm a slightly , but my point being a slightly, but my point being that just because things are at a low point and denigrated right. we should remember a few
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years ago the democratic impulse where people said this is what we're going to do, they were called stupid, ignorant, bit like had lockdowns. everyone like we had lockdowns. everyone was come sit in the was going to come and sit in the corner, you're told, you corner, do as you're told, you back. have a really strong back. if we have a really strong public, if we engage and we have people out locally and nationally campaigning around the mandate, she's now got that going on with the care workers so many to be compensated and reinstated and we've got people around shamefully around the country shamefully shamefully treated but this is the point about the public. the more people we also have to flex your used to the idea your and get used to the idea that it's up to us that we pay them well, but it's up to us to make that the democracy make sure that the democracy that we want is there, that we are engaged citizens are active, engaged citizens that pressure on them and that we put pressure on them and then if that is not good enough, then if that is not good enough, then that out the big question. yo, yo, yo. nice you're undecided . when i saw the tories undecided. when i saw the tories tweet today going, we're giving you days of your electricity bill and we're giving 15 billion extra this and that. and i just went now know we're giving you it you anyway out the wall
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it and you anyway out the wall right , alan, you're it and you anyway out the wall right, alan, you're going to stay . me right. because i'm stay. me right. because i'm going . going. for it's going. for wsfime going. for it's time for fox and fox . the it's time for fox and fox. the part of the show when you can grill me from home. ooh, that sounds painful . if you were sounds painful. if you were prime minister , what would be prime minister, what would be first on your to do list? i think your first amendment possibly , worryingly followed by possibly, worryingly followed by a second amendment. anyway, i write . coming up next is the write. coming up next is the wonderful patrick christie through stepping into mark steyn patrick doyle . yes well coming patrick doyle. yes well coming up on that is hard to believe isn't it, laurence, that i'm here. but yes, indeed i am. i am coming for the wonderful mark steyn and i am sick and tired of
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the british public being okay. we are living in the truman show and going to pick that apart and i'm going to pick that apart frame by frame at the top of my show being us. i believe show we're being us. i believe that single coming that every single person coming across some kind across the channel is some kind of or a child or a woman of orphan or a child or a woman fleeing war zone. when we just fleeing a war zone. when we just know true, we're told know that isn't true, we're told that skins. and yet at end that we're skins. and yet at end of the day as well, we also are being that we've got the being told that we've got the money this stuff. we money to pay for this stuff. we were asked believe the were asked to believe that the coronavirus of course, just came from kind infused from some kind of infused wet market. but in reality there was a massive centre for virology just to just next, we're asked to believe people cover believe that people didn't cover that us to believe the that up. for us to believe the kids are basically little kids are basically thick little idiots, they can actually idiots, but they can actually decide they to decide what gender they want to be of four. and be from the age of four. and that's absolutely that. male rape being women's rape is being in a women's prison is as well. i'm prison is okay as well. i'm going to picture you all of the noise. i'm sick and tired of it. oh i'm teeing off on oh and also i'm teeing off on the that british the fact that our british institutions, one by one, having every and every single eroded and including latest one that including the latest one that harry and meghan are trying to do, which knock down do, which is knock down buckingham, hello. buckingham, the prince. hello. i'm the met
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i'm aidan mcgivern, the met office. easterly winds made it feel during last few feel cold during the last few days. the next 24 hours, days. in the next 24 hours, northerly winds arrive, which will even colder , will turn things even colder, along some significant in along with some significant in the north of scotland, something we keep the easterly, at least for next 12 hours in places. those easterly continuing to bnng those easterly continuing to bring some showers, rain showers thatis bring some showers, rain showers that is into eastern parts of england. the showers in the midlands tending to fade away and the showers just along the south coast there. so for kind for parts of cornwall also tending to fade through the tending to fade away through the night showers do continue night. but showers do continue for northern scots winds. rain and snow here and clear and hill snow here and clear spells breaking out elsewhere will bring in places at such a frost, especially for northern ireland, into northern the northern england north wales, east anglia . but a bright start east anglia. but a bright start where we get a frost away from the frost areas, still some cloud for southern parts of the uk and more especially the east and the far north here, looking to be showers, but this time the showers brought by an increasing northerly wind. as a result it's
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going to feel cold on tuesday afternoon. temperatures on the thermometer, seven or eight in thermometer, seven or eight in the south, four or five in the north. but off a few degrees for it. feel like in the wind, more the low to mid single figures and it turns even colder on tuesday nights. by midnight, the showers increasingly falling as snow is all levels for northern scotland . the snow really scotland. the snow really building up here on night and into wednesday . those will be into wednesday. those will be showers into the east of england, parts of northern ireland where we see those showers coming and going, perhaps as we start of perhaps some icy as we start of wednesday. certainly a widespread across western widespread frost across western england, england, england, northern england, southern wales, southern scotland and wales, minus minus four celsius minus three, minus four celsius in places. but a bright start in these locations, plenty of sunshine the day on sunshine through the day on wednesday and wednesday. areas of cloud and showers affecting north sea coasts. sea coast , coasts. irish sea coast, northern ireland. these will consist rain and hills. now the snow across. northern scotland really building up 2 to 5 centimetres lower levels , 5 centimetres at lower levels, 5 to 10 centimetres over the hills .
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