hello there. it's 6:00 on michelle dewberry and this is dewbs & co show where we'll get dewbs& co show where we'll get into some of the things that have got you talking today. and i'll get this, tory donations of slogans 40% to be precise over last quarter. why what's going on. labour's meanwhile have risen and overtaken that of the tories for the first time in a little while . what do you reckon little while. what do you reckon is this the beginning of the end? is this the beginning of the end.7 we is this the beginning of the end? we always say, don't we follow the money or is it a bit of a storm, a teacup and all

will be back soon? i want will be back normal soon? i want your thoughts on that. and get this, a quarter of a million young people say have no intention of getting a job. why my intention of getting a job. why my first thought was what a load of bone idle scroungers, quite frankly . and i stopped and frankly. and i stopped and i started looking at some of the stats around this. just how young people are actually confident in things like even writing a cv in the first place. so who is to blame for this? is society letting kids down or is or is it the kids themselves ? or is it the kids themselves? and if you do refuse to work , and if you do refuse to work, you ever be able to get form of government support financially? yes unearth some real thoughts and foreign aid. apparently, according the development minister, every penny we spend isindeed minister, every penny we spend is indeed the national interest . i personally would query that. i can tell you he focuses in on as well on china and india. he says it's difficult. basically to justify why sending money to those countries . i would suggest

those countries. i would suggest that's probably because we shouldn't be. why are we sending money, for example, to the world's second biggest economy ? world's second biggest economy? i don't know. you give me your on that and albanian ambassador to the uk has been questioned by mp here about what's going on here when it comes to the number of young crossing the channel he blames things like social media for duping them into thinking that this is a land of milk and honey fault whose fault is it? i want your thoughts on of that tonight. but first, let's get ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headlines . tonight's latest headlines. thank you . this is the latest thank you. this is the latest from the gb news. three travellers are being to expect cancellations and delays around christmas strikes at a number of airports set to cause major disruption the public and commercial services union says around 2000 border force workers

will walk out over the festive the union announced as members working at gatwick heathrow manchester birmingham cardiff airports will strike for eight days from december the 23rd until new year's eve in a row over pay drops and conditions as pcc's general secretary remarks, the worker says, this is just the worker says, this is just the beginning. as i said at beginning, as i finish with, however action that we've called at the moment will be have severe effects on people using our roads , needing driving our roads, needing driving tests, accessing river payments, orindeed tests, accessing river payments, or indeed entering the country over christmas period. but this is the first round of action thatis is the first round of action that is designed be escalated . that is designed be escalated. the unite union criticised the prime minister. he promised new tough to limit the impact of strike action amid a wave of strikes across a number of pubuc strikes across a number of public sectors. rishi sunak's vow to take action to protect british public from being impacted. ambulance staff will

strike in a dispute over pay and conditions. nurses teachers and rail workers are also to take action in the coming weeks. speaking at prime minister's questions , the labour leader questions, the labour leader accused mr. sunak of not doing enough to resolve. the industrial action . this morning industrial action. this morning his transport secretary said his flagship legislation on strikes. this is what he said. this his transport secretary, michael to listen to this is clearly is clearly not going to help with the industrial action we're facing. he should stop grandstanding, stop sitting his hands, get round the table and resolve issues. the government has been reasonable? it's accepted the recommendations of an independent paper body giving pay an independent paper body giving pay rises in many cases higher than the private sector. but if the union leaders to continue to be unreasonable , then it is my be unreasonable, then it is my duty to take to protect the lives and livelihood of the british public . and that's why, british public. and that's why, mr. speaker, since became prime minister, i have been working

for new, tough laws to protect people from this disruption . people from this disruption. meanwhile a planned strike of over 2000 bus drivers in london has been called off. unite union say its members who were employed by metro line have accepted 11% pay rise offer. the union says it's a significant improvement . the 4% drivers were improvement. the 4% drivers were originally offered former health secretary matt hancock has announced he will not stand again at the next general election . in a letter to the election. in a letter to the prime minister, he said he was proud of his nine years in government, making reference to the uk having first covid vaccine in. the world. it's been a huge privilege to serve in parliament, serve people of west suffolk and i'm incredibly grateful to everybody who supported both in suffolk and in government since then. i've increasingly come to the view that it's so important to with people about politics, how our country is run not just through

parliament, but also through new and innovative . and i look and innovative. and i look forward to doing more that. the prime minister said he was shocked , read allegations that a shocked, read allegations that a conservative peer benefited from a paper contract during the covid pandemic. rishi sunak's it was absolutely right that baroness mone took a leave of absence from the house of lords after claims her and her family received more than after claims her and her family received more tha n £29 million received more than £29 million originating from the profits of the ppe firm. she's denied the reports and says she'll fight to clear her name . a man has been clear her name. a man has been arrested in plymouth on suspicion of using his own boat to smuggle at least ten migrants from normandy to a beach in devon. it follows an incident on june 15th after a speedboat seen dropping a group of suspected on a beach near dartmouth . the a beach near dartmouth. the suspect has been taken into custody for questioning by the national crime agency . a man national crime agency. a man been charged with a public order after an egg was allegedly

thrown in the direction of king charles in luton yesterday. bedfordshire police say the 28 year old man who they refused to name has been bailed to appear luton magistrates court on the night of january. it comes weeks after a 23 year old was arrested for throwing an egg at the king and queen consort in york york. and time magazine has named president volodymyr zelenskyy and the spirit of the ukrainian nafion and the spirit of the ukrainian nation person of the year. the news magazine says zelenskyy has inspired ukrainians and gained recognition for his resistance against russia's invasion . it against russia's invasion. it says the former comedian showed his courage when he to leave cave at outbreak of the war. tv onune cave at outbreak of the war. tv online and dab+ radio this gb news now it's back to dewbs& co . news now it's back to dewbs& co. co.

thanks for that. tatiana, while i'm with you right through to 7:00 this evening, keeping me company alongside me, we've got the author, james bloodworth and the author, james bloodworth and the deputy editor of conservativehome henry hill. good evening, conservativehome henry hill. good evening , both of you. good good evening, both of you. good evening. you know the drill on jacenko as well. it's not just about us three here. it's about you at home as well. i want your thoughts tonight. why do thoughts on the tonight. why do you think that donations to tory party are in decline ? and i said party are in decline? and i said that was smart because i suspect many of you will have very strong opinions on that is strong opinions on why that is labour by the way there donations are on the. i want talk about that also young people a quarter of a million of them say they've got no intention of working. why do you think that's oc, by the way? maybe if you just want to. i don't know. they to fund you why you'd to your lazy kid you'd want to fund your lazy kid is me but if they did is is beyond me but if they did is that all so don't know. you tell me. and who is to blame for all of crossing the channel of these crossing the channel the latest suggestion now that

social media companies , people social media companies, people making them believe that it's the land of , making them believe that it's the land of, milk and honey when they get here. what's your thoughts on that? reviews gbnews.uk. or you can tweet me at gb news news. but first up then let's get straight into tory one, shall we? rob says my partner and i cancelled our memberships, michelle, as soon as she was elected. in their minds, all democrats , they say minds, all democrats, they say the whole situation was a stitch up and they left. so they did . up and they left. so they did. what i tell you many perhaps have the same idea because the tory coffers slumped by percent. what they received between july and september one. but labour, on the other hand , increased on the other hand, increased what they received and tories in a bid to kind of get some cash coming . they've decided that coming. they've decided that they're going to increase membership fees by this a whopping 56. what do they think people have made of money? what do you make of all this? what do

you reckon is behind this loss of cash? so that will obviously several factors that are contributing to . it now looks contributing to. it now looks increasingly the conservatives are not going to form the next government. and there was always a donors that is a cadre of donors for that is the primary consideration and they're switching they're understandably switching to labour. the factor to labour. the other factor which i would be would be which i think would be would be interesting the next interesting to see the next quarter's figures, as the conservative party this is conservative party said, this is a anomalous quarter in a slightly anomalous quarter in that we had the leadership contest conservative contest and conservative donors have hundreds of have ploughed hundreds of thousands pounds into thousands of pounds into supporting candidates in that contest. is not all contest. and that is not all money that would previously have gone the party and probably gone to the party and probably not enough make up th e £i.7 not enough to make up the £1.7 million with million difference with labour. but that money but that's some of that money would into figures. so would have got into figures. so it interesting to see if it will be interesting to see if this a long term trend. but this is a long term trend. but ultimately donors many, donors, what want they to what they want is they want to donate to the party that's going to government. and to form the next government. and after last few after stumbles of the last few that increasingly looks like laboun that increasingly looks like labour, to labour, does that hurt you to say that? i mean , i suppose a say that? i mean, i suppose a little but mean it's not little bit, but i mean it's not the fact of that's it's the

the fact of it. that's it's the fact that all of the things have led it. you know, led up to it. you know, ultimately, i anyone wants ultimately, i think anyone wants an effective conservative government that actually delivers people. delivers for the british people. the have been the last few months have been fairly the fact that donors fairly and the fact that donors are abandoning party is not are abandoning the party is not the problem. it's a symptom of the problem. it's a symptom of the problem. it's a symptom of the problem. bad the problem. problem is bad government . mm. are you a tory government. mm. are you a tory member or where you. it's all remember. what do you think. what's going on. i mean i've just read your thing out there, rob, when you're saying that you left is that was always a lifelong tory essentially and you've removed your membership and how does that actually feel. i've got to confess . never in my i've got to confess. never in my life have i ever thought myself i know what i need to do .join i know what i need to do. join a political party. it's never been on my i can't imagine it ever being served but if are someone that you've been born and bred politics it's your thing yours your passion. you back party. i wonder how does feel, but do you agree with henry sentiment there that basically the right is

pretty much on the wall the tories it's going to be labour next time. yeah. i mean i echo some of those sentiments. think it's just donors leaving, it's not just donors leaving, the party, tends it's not just donors leaving, th

jeremy corbyn. i do find it all a bit because it's of i get a bit because it's kind of i get what you're saying is if you if you a donor you just you were a donor you just basically get yourself basically want to get yourself there in charge . there with whoever's in charge. but then do kind of think, but then i do kind of think, well, where's moral scruples ? well, where's moral scruples? because surely. well, actually was just about to say there's a huge difference between and tory, but i'll stop myself mid—sentence because many would argue actually there isn't. and thatis argue actually there isn't. and that is one of the problems at the moment that there's not this vast anymore between. vast difference anymore between. the two parties. do you the two leading parties. do you think there is. i mean, it's not it's narrower than it was. i think actually what the way i would say is, if you are a would say it is, if you are a committed donor, you know why, would you vote to donate to rishi government? because part of there's no of the problem is, there's no sort proactive , positive sort of proactive, positive vision conservatism . rishi vision for conservatism. rishi sunak's government at the moment is reactive. is is entirely reactive. it is being buffeted around by the strikes, by the public finances. there's excited there's nothing to get excited about. if you you about. you know, if you if you had leader a project and had a leader with a project and bofis had a leader with a project and boris johnson a project there, he carry through this. he didn't carry it through this. you why wouldn't

you know why you wouldn't do a project? you may. well, you know. was a levelling up, know. no, it was a levelling up, though. obviously the though. brexit was obviously the previous. johnson was previous. but boris johnson was elected 2019 a positive elected in 2019 with a positive and vision. what and proactive vision. what a conservative should conservative government should be doing. and if you were a donon be doing. and if you were a donor. that's something can donor. that's something you can get rishi sunak get behind. what's rishi sunak apart? and james apart? not labour. and as james says, not quite the says, labour is not quite the compelling it was. yeah, i compelling offer it was. yeah, i mean, sunak's is mean, rishi sunak's project is kind up the mess kind of cleaning up the mess left by truss. truss left behind by liz truss. truss this short lived administration. so there's a 30 billion so i mean there's a 30 billion black hole based her her time in office and sunak has got the unenviable of clearing that up and is it doesn't really make you that enthusiastic him as a candidate and i agree boris had a project that was the levelling up project. he steered the country through an incredibly difficult then of course difficult and then of course there brexit. i think a huge there was brexit. i think a huge difference between the candidates. see, this candidates. see, i found this that you because you said that when you because you said you had a project and i just immediately a issued , you were immediately a issued, you were referring to brexit. so when you say that that's the first one that leaps out you that was this project levelling i wonder if

you watching this listening to this you're the perhaps this you're the north perhaps and you voted for boris did you do so for levelling up reasons? because i suspect for lots of people it brexit and i find that quite intriguing that someone would look at say boris and say i'm going to vote for him in order to level up my town in my city because ultimate if you need levelling off , it's because need levelling off, it's because policy hasn't worked for you for quite big period of time. the tories have had power for years. so if the tories serious about levelling up then i would argue that i actually you wouldn't have needed to do what was levelling up now because it would have happened. so that was one of the most interesting things about boris johnson. the early stages of boris johnson after 2019 is he managed, despite tories have despite the fact the tories have been office for to been in office for 2010 to achieve remarkable. you achieve this remarkable. you know, he felt like a new government and he offer government and he did offer what looked shift in looked like a big gear shift in the of conservative that the sort of conservative that was being offered to the british people. undoubtedly, brexit people. now, undoubtedly, brexit

was driving force behind was the key driving force behind the the 2019 the conservatives in the 2019 election, was the fact election, but it was the fact that of who that for millions of voters who had conservative and in had voted conservative and in seats hadn't voted seats that hadn't voted conservative years, it conservative for 100 years, it was tory party more was a tory party was more comfortable with spending comfortable with public spending that interests that was taking their interests seriously work seriously and was going to work to some those to address some of those economic inequalities. he he economic inequalities. now he he didn't manage it. boris didn't manage to do it. boris johnson not good at following johnson is not good at following on things, that was still on things, but that was still something. if you were a conservative party donor, you can this can think, right? this has worked, delivered worked, it's delivered a historic majority. lay historic majority. it could lay the foundations a really the foundations for a really long conservative long period of conservative strength of strength in the north of england. me giving a england. that's me giving them a few hundred thousand pounds. now, there's case i can now, there's no case that i can see for giving money to rishi sunak , an ideological sunak, an ideological conservative stripe. yeah, conservative of stripe. yeah, because at the moment everyone's pointing outwards, he's firefighting, he's not able sit there and be strategic , there and be strategic, visionary and positive and set out new grounds for the going forward because he getting lured from every single corner as we've already pointed out the strikes you it he's just firefighting react to maybe i do

wonder a part of me just wonder do you reckon he might be able to turn it around because we've got not quite two years but not far off two years anything happen that's a long time in politics it is but i feel like it got to the point where it has got to the point where the tories got to you previously. black went and black wednesday was a only just wednesday was a i'm only just old remember that i. old enough. remember that i. think is tainted if think the brand is tainted if you labour labour got you like and labour labour got got to that point after the financial of 2008 it financial crisis of 2008 it feels like whatever they do is kind of tainted now it needs to kind of tainted now it needs to kind of tainted now it needs to kind of new generation or politicians who aren't tainted by last the last few years by the last the last few years to take tory party forward. i think i think having been a labour member the past when labour member the past when labour went through this, this crisis after tony blair left, it feels the tory party feels like it's very position. it's in a very position. position someone who it's in a very position. pos what someone who it's in a very position. pos what tony someone who it's in a very position. pos what tony blair;omeone who it's in a very position. pos what tony blair did,�*one who it's in a very position. pos what tony blair did, he; who did what tony blair did, he could voters who would could win over voters who would never normally vote tory and with him gone, is a very with him gone, it's is a very hard act to follow i don't. hard act to follow and i don't. the realised when they hard act to follow and i don't. the rid realised when they hard act to follow and i don't. the rid of realised when they hard act to follow and i don't. the rid of him .ised when they hard act to follow and i don't. the rid of him just when they hard act to follow and i don't. the rid of him just hown they hard act to follow and i don't. the rid of him just how hardy hard act to follow and i don't. the rid of him just how hard it got rid of him just how hard it would to follow. yeah think

would be to follow. yeah think you're right on that and it would remiss of me not to would be remiss of me not to touch hancock if. you're touch upon hancock if. you're down kids. got tick down with the kids. you got tick tock. might seen a tock. you might have seen it a little tick video explaining that he's basically not going to stand the election. is stand in the next election. is that right decision, do you that the right decision, do you think anyway? think it think anyway? i mean, i think it was right decision. the was the right decision. the various it's interesting that his his cost it is his he his letter cost it is entirely his own decision that emerged local emerged that his local constituency association had passed , no confidence in passed a vote, no confidence in him that to the chief him and send that to the chief whip. think of him whip. i think the odds of him contesting the next election as a conservative anyway were remote, think remote, slim, whatever you think of hancock's to go of matt hancock's decision to go on television, i don't on reality television, i don't think he doing the think that he was doing the reputation the conservative reputation of the conservative party the dignity of party or the dignity of parliament and parliament and he favours. and so, yes , he wants go and do so, yes, he wants to go and do that and make money crypto that and make money in crypto whatever it is he wants to do. that's fine. but he should not an mp. yeah, but then say an mp. yeah, but then you say this is the bit that don't get this is the bit that i don't get because a of people were because a lot of people were really the fact that he really about the fact that he was the jungle in his was going into the jungle in his bid to look was the moment irrelevant really? because don't but has get agreed

but that has to get agreed surely he goes that surely so before he goes that has against the group, the has to go against the group, the body board or whatever it body or the board or whatever it is. have is. somebody somewhere must have looked and gone, yes, looked at that and gone, yes, you can do it the board of the board of what? i don't. maybe i'm giving a bit much. i'm giving them a bit too much. leave this board of. look leave it. is this board of. look at i'm like imagining and at me. i'm like imagining and hoping that is like a hoping that there is like a board of sense of boldness that if i'm an mp decide that if i'm an mp and i decide that i want go to jetting off to an want to go to jetting off to an australian eat kangaroo australian and eat kangaroo bits. i just myself then surely i would imagine that i've got to sanity check that with someone who rubber and says yes who rubber stamps and says yes off go. crucial off you go. now the crucial about mps in our system is that are entirely independent you know parties and know they do join parties and everything else but actually an mp has extraordinary amount mp has an extraordinary amount of legally. they're of leeway legally. they're a small an individual small they're an individual small they're an individual small with regards small business with regards to their whip is a their staff. and the whip is a political arrangement rather than one. so, than a constitutional one. so, no, nothing to stop no, there is nothing to stop an mp basically whatever like mp basically doing whatever like because ultimately it's important that they're accountable voters accountable to us. the voters are not to a hate your hierarchy or some board of wise men but the is us the fact that

the sense is us the fact that he's felt compelled to leave parliament is i think the system working. tell me what you think at home is. a good thing that is going not very brief word to going on not very brief word to you hancock. i mean, you about hancock. yeah. i mean, i good thing he's i think it's a good thing he's going. i it's been an embarrassment, frankly, that he's celebrity he's gone on this celebrity program. the program. i disagree with the idea that's how you connect idea that that's how you connect with public the public with the public as if the public is bright enough to engage is only bright enough to engage watching eating watching a politician eating bugs jungle. i think bugs in in the jungle. i think you know people watch current affairs shows quite lot of people current affairs people watch current affairs shows enough to shows are intelligent enough to listen arguments listen to his arguments justifying he did during the pandemic. well the people are into politics and current watch current programs and you current affairs programs and you don't need to reach them more to reach i what reach them, i guess what he would if he was here, it might be watching shouting at the screen. indeed what he screen. if he is indeed what he would say you've those would say is you've got those people, they're already a captive he would want captive audience. he would want to people like me. i to reach the people like me. i didn't virtual. i was 30 today age interested age was not remotely interested in politics so part of me thinks i probably won't even vote again if there an election if there was an election tomorrow. he probably wants

tomorrow. so he probably wants tomorrow. so he probably wants to those people. i to reach those of people. i don't know . you tell me, what do don't know. you tell me, what do you to some of you think to some of that getting such views gbnews.uk getting such gp views gbnews.uk is email. i can tweet me at gp news. going to take a quick break. when come back some with your thoughts. and i want to talk about the fact that about a quarter of a million young people say that they have no intention of ever getting a why. and by the way, is that okay? you tell me me .

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me. michelle dewberry right through till 7:00 this evening alongside me, i have the author, james bloodworth and the deputy editor of conservativehome henry hale. welcome back, everybody . anthony welcome back, everybody. anthony says it's a recurring theme with mr. newbury that she only ever

talks about the novel when she is referenced , saying levelling is referenced, saying levelling up, got to be honest, you've got to kind of bat for my own team. however you quite rightly point out . what about places like east out. what about places like east anglia , the south—west? he says, anglia, the south—west? he says, we are struggling as well. they blame the londoners coming along , buying up lots of their property, making it unaffordable for everybody else. i mean, how is that you touch on an important point there, anthony? thatis important point there, anthony? that is the whole of the topic, isn't it? many people will be quite happy at the moment because lots of the house prices do seem to be coming down. all the plots are very unaffordable for aren't they? have for many, aren't they? and have lots of your thoughts, by the way, that whole tory thing in way, on that whole tory thing in just of minutes. but just a couple of minutes. but for now, get this. about a quarter of a million young people currently not working say that of that they have no intention of ever getting a job. i say ever getting a job. when i say young people, the way, i'm young people, by the way, i'm talking 18 to 24 year olds. i'll come to you on this. a first. james, what do you make to this?

do you think this is all right? is it just as it is or is it a problem? i mean, i wouldn't say sorry. it's not ideal. i say there are several factors probably behind i think probably behind this. i think the had an effect. so the pandemic had an effect. so i think if you look at rates of unemployment generally, the longer unemployed, unemployment generally, the longharder unemployed, unemployment generally, the longharder it unemployed, unemployment generally, the longharder it is unemployed, unemployment generally, the longharder it is getiemployed, unemployment generally, the longharder it is get backoyed, the harder it is to get back into work because you're spending lot of time in the spending a lot of time in the house. you're out of those kind of lose your of routines. you lose your confidence. pandemic confidence. i think the pandemic has that effect on lots has has had that effect on lots of people anyway. i think of people anyway. so i think you've people who've been in you've got people who've been in the house for a long an the house for a long being an excuse. blames excuse. everyone blames a coronavirus everything. coronavirus for everything. i mean, but it seems mean, i don't it but it seems i mean, i don't it but it seems i mean, i'm just talking in terms of explanations why that of explanations of why that might up. i think one might have gone up. i think one of the report said that some young people lost their young people have lost their realistic young people have lost their realisti(| think social media asians. i think social media plays a part in kind of fuelling that. the that be that. the idea that you'll be able kind of live a champagne able to kind of live a champagne lifestyle on. on a panda lifestyle on. i know on a panda p0p lifestyle on. i know on a panda pop wage or can pop you can pop wage or you can pop you can be this you can be this entrepreneur by you know, you won't have to. you have to kind of get down and do a regular job. i think i don't think

that's necessarily bad, though. i people say they in i mean, when people say they in this that they want this survey that they don't want to work , they they seem to imply to work, they they seem to imply they wouldn't want get a 9 to they wouldn't want to get a 9 to 5. they these people some 5. they maybe these people some of people would be of these people would like to be entrepreneurs. that's not necessarily a negative a negative . and mozambique's negative thing. and mozambique's imposed by the mum and dad rather than claiming benefits. so i mean, that's that's kind of a 50% of the private matter. i mean, i not encourage it, but i don't think it's the end of the world. and i do want to get too down on young people. i think there are lots of different forces at play in causing this. there a couple because when there was a couple because when i read the headline, i first read the headline, i must confess, was must confess, henry, i was a journalist on the bandwagon. i was oh, but i tell young was like, oh, but i tell young people, what's wrong with them. and started actually and then i started actually reading report. it was reading into the report. it was a gil's report, a city and gil's report, this was was called youth was it was called youth misspent. i started looking misspent. and i started looking into also like a census into this and also like a census that was carried. i'm sorry. no, committed was done young committed was done on young people a while ago as people a little while ago as well. found things well. and i found some things that me . more that really concerned me. more than a fifth of young people

apparently don't understand how to successfully apply for a job. less than half of young people aged 19 plus think that they even know how to write a cv and get this 51% of young people aged 19 four said that mental health challenges were the biggest barriers to accessing work now or in the future. what do you make of that? yeah, absolutely . i do you make of that? yeah, absolutely. i think idea absolutely. i think the idea there will some people who there will be some people who are just like, i don't want to get but it would be nice get a job, but it would be nice to on benefits. but i think to live on benefits. but i think there are real sort of there are there are real sort of cartoon and don't cartoon villains. and i don't actually there are that actually think there are that many people. it's really easy sometimes you've been work sometimes if you've been in work for time to dismiss the for a long time to dismiss the effect of long term unemployment, and especially if you're know, you you're very young, you know, you don't don't know, you don't don't you don't know, you don't necessarily have cv, you don't necessarily have a cv, you don't know applications process. know the applications process. you know you maybe don't know how to navigate are navigate an interview. jobs are often oversubscribed that often so oversubscribed that these days it's quite hard to get feedback. you get interview feedback. so you don't, to don't, you don't know how to improve. as for the lofty aspirations thing, i think another another this another another factor of this is you we're sending is that, you know, we're sending more people university

more young people to university than paying than ever and they're paying quite extraordinarily high fees. now, effects. now, that has two effects. i mean, they do get a job, mean, if they do get a job, they're actually paying a marginal on a lot of marginal tax rate on a lot of their income, higher their income, which is higher than older workers who are than many older workers who are on pays. but also on better pays. but it also means that think their sold an means that i think their sold an out of date expectation of what a actually means because out of date expectation of what a generationjally means because out of date expectation of what a generation ago means because out of date expectation of what a generation ago a1eans because out of date expectation of what a generation ago a degreeecause a generation ago a degree relatively got the relatively few people got the money. it a fairly reliable money. it was a fairly reliable pathway a certain of pathway to a certain sort of middle class lifestyle. now that middle class lifestyle. now that middle got middle class lifestyle has got more but there more expensive, but also there are graduates that are now so many graduates that many i think have paid many people i think have paid tens of thousands of pounds to go through three years higher go through three years of higher education. and they've now arrived british arrived at the modern british economy realising economy and they're realising that they win the that the reason they win the kind lifestyle that they were kind of lifestyle that they were led to expect their parents, kind of lifestyle that they were lectheirxpect their parents, kind of lifestyle that they were lectheir teachers, heir parents, kind of lifestyle that they were lectheir teachers, hei|society s, by their teachers, by society for that investment just isn't there. you know, you can there. and you know, you can understand they be why understand why they would be why would frustrated if would they be frustrated if they've university, they've gone to university, their of all debt and their act of all this debt and all of sudden they're getting all of a sudden they're getting the of entry level work the kind of entry level work which need a which frankly, you don't need a degree do. they could degree to do. and they could have been three years ago. degree to do. and they could have iand three years ago. degree to do. and they could have iand to three years ago. degree to do. and they could have iand to i three years ago. degree to do. and they could have iand to i blame; years ago. degree to do. and they could have iand to i blame alears ago. degree to do. and they could have iand to i blame a bit's ago. degree to do. and they could have iand to i blame a bit ofigo. yeah. and to i blame a bit of the employers out of well for

the employers out of as well for some of this because when you actually look people are saying that they're because that they're struggling because many asking for prior many people are asking for prior experience this and experience and all of this and that. of the things that that. and one of the things that this report is calling for, it's kind for employers to be more kind of for employers to be more broad in their selection process. than being process. so rather than being so narrow of got to narrow in terms of you've got to have this experience, that qualification, people have skills different, that qualification, people have skills necessarily ferent, that qualification, people have skills necessarily tick1t, that qualification, people have skills necessarily tick 1t,box,: don't necessarily tick a box, but 90 years old and not but to be 90 years old and not really know to how write a cv , really know to how write a cv, |, really know to how write a cv, i, i need to pick my words . i i, i need to pick my words. i don't want to be too insulting , don't want to be too insulting, but you can google how to write a cv. it's not rocket science. so then i think to myself, well , where is this falling down? do they mean that they don't know what to put on to receive? like, i don't know. i've just left school. i ain't done anything. what can i put a cv or what what can i put on a cv or what is that about? how can you not know how to write a cv? i suspect it's basic social skills are a big part of this and education around that. so i mean, how to mean, you can google how to write cv, but if you don't write a cv, but if you don't know an address to

know how to an address to address an email to somebody, if you don't to talk to you don't know how to talk to somebody interview. i mean, somebody in interview. i mean, l, l, somebody in interview. i mean, i, i, again, i don't want to sound insulting, sound so insulting, but i somehow speak to people, younger people. sometimes can people. and i sometimes can barely what they're barely understand what they're saying a saying because they don't have a correct english and an correct grasp of english and an employer's probably not going to look that. look too favourably upon that. and is when and i think in school is when i was in school, we didn't really didn't wasn't really instilled in us how to conduct ourselves in us how to conduct ourselves in job interview should in a job interview should be that careers advice was kind of treated as a bit of a joke cos i don't maybe it's improved nowadays, but but i feel like you kind of you're in this professionalised it's professionalised economy, it's assumed just get the assumed that you just get the qualification you're qualification and then you're out on own and things out there on your own and things will take care of themselves. but so much it is kind of but so much of it is kind of softer skills, softer social skills, of come skills, how to kind of come across. in an interview. across. well, in an interview. and those things kind of and those things are kind of i don't feel like we really teach those things to young people. i think cases there's think in some cases there's actually controversial think in some cases there's actually there controversial think in some cases there's actually there are ntroversial think in some cases there's actually there are elementsl because there are elements of the teaching, teaching academia in the teaching profession who the teaching, teaching academia in tidea aching profession who the teaching, teaching academia in tidea aciteachingession who the teaching, teaching academia in tidea aciteachingession wh(how the teaching, teaching academia

in speakaciteachingession wh(how the teaching, teaching academia in speak properly,1gession wh(how the teaching, teaching academia in speak properly, which n wh(how the teaching, teaching academia in speak properly, which is, /h(how to speak properly, which is, you know, what we would consider a baseline for getting an interview the real interview in the in the real economy. they consider to economy. they consider that to be an attack on somebody's identity, their elitist on identity, on their elitist on their own patterns speech. their own patterns of speech. and what you end up with the and so what you end up with the school which in some school system, which in some cases actually ideologically cases is actually ideologically opposed to doing the kind of bafic opposed to doing the kind of basic moulding that basic social moulding that equips someone to function once they leave that environment. and they leave that environment. and they compete they need to compete with jobs against often hundreds of other applicants, some of whom will will have those advantages . you will have those advantages. you know, there's currently a big debate schools. debate about private schools. now to private now you can point to private schools say, look, their schools and say, look, their grades actually all grades aren't actually often all that state that much better than state schools. private schools. but what private schools. but what private schools are still schools i think are still very good inculcating that good at is inculcating that social you that social skills, giving you that cultural capital. so if a cultural capital. so that if a private school pupil is going for a job at age 19 or at age 21, they do know how to handle that and that gives them that process and that gives them an i was an advantage. yeah if i was a headmaster and i had students that left my school age 18 or whatever age is now, i would think i'd failed, actually, if people in my school didn't

understand how to write a cv, how to do a job interview . understand how to write a cv, how to do a job interview. but i must say, when i left school at 16, go out with a i didn't have any real qualifications. and to your point, i have no idea at all how to behave in the world of work. i spent all my teenage years on an estate my boyfriend was in and out of prison. years on an estate my boyfriend was in and out of prison . i was was in and out of prison. i was in a professional individual , so in a professional individual, so i didn't know silly things like, you know, swearing in the workplace and stuff. i was so basic. the stuff that i didn't know and i ended up getting what we kind of call the whites , like we kind of call the whites, like home on apprenticeship, an apprenticeship scheme. and i always say i earn all of my career to that single thing because a guy that harry was called , actually, he took me called, actually, he took me under his wing and they taught me stuff. they taught me like bafic me stuff. they taught me like basic things . perhaps you could basic things. perhaps you could have learned elsewhere . but i have learned elsewhere. but i didn't. and they helped shape my attitude a little bit . but attitude a little bit. but you've got to have the right attitude, because i think your point that you raised as well is

an interesting one, james, about these influences. i think so many people all influenced many young people all influenced by daft people on social media presenting all of these, look at all my luxury goods that i own . all my luxury goods that i own. and then, by the way, they ask themselves burgled themselves why they get burgled because spend their time because they spend their time boasting their and boasting about their wealth and then boasting about the fact that they're holiday that they're on holiday and don't be able to put two don't seem to be able to put two and together. but you tell and two together. but you tell me, where you stand on all of me, where do you stand on all of this as also rightly this as james also rightly mentioned, half of these mentioned, about half of these young that we just young people that we just mentioned their mentioned be supported by their parents. why on earth would you, as a parent, if you've got a kid that says, i don't want to work at it when i get a job, why would you fund them? even if you've got entrepreneurial aspirations? go get a job and fund yourself . well, i've been fund yourself. well, i've been harsh or i just missing something. i don't know. you tell me. vaiews@gbnews.uk is the email and it's like a quick break. when i come back, i want to talk about foreign aid to talk to you about foreign aid . is every single penny that we spendin . is every single penny that we spend in the national interest.

you tell me .

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, michelle dewberry. i'm keeping you company right through until 7:00 this evening alongside me, the author, james bloodworth and the deputy editor of conservativehome henry hill. and those of you getting in touch about that last topic in terms of young people , flick says, of young people, flick says, michelle, i'm might seen and i've applied for many jobs, entry level jobs, and now asking for one year experience minimum. taco bell she's is wanted to hire is expiring minimum and so she says it goes on and you're saying are social skills are fine and social media isn't putting people off work it's that the jobs are hard to get right now i've got to say i do

kind of sympathise with you a little bit that because i do think a lot of employers i single one out there and i shouldn't have done i'm sure that there's lots of them that are similar, but a lot of employers , they do. they just employers, they do. they just put things without thinking it through. you through. so they'll put down you need have amount of need to have x amount of experience you'll need experience or you'll need a degree whatever. and i just degree in whatever. and i just think it's almost like a filtering method because so many people apply. they're just people will apply. they're just trying to them. and i trying to fill to them. and i think employers a role to think employers have a role to play think employers have a role to play bit more play here. just be a bit more open minded with what you're asking for . and you might find asking for. and you might find some interesting talent out there. you never know. anyway, a development andrew development minister, andrew mitchell virtually mitchell, says it's virtually impossible to defend spending taxpayers money in china and india . he's talking, of course, india. he's talking, of course, about things like foreign aid . about things like foreign aid. he reckons that every penny of britain's foreign aid budget is spent indeed in the national interest . first and foremost, interest. first and foremost, even question that final statement , i even question that final statement, i don't think every single penny that we spend is in the national interest. and i

certainly don't think we should be sending countries that have got their own space stations and this and that money . am this and that money. am i missing something, henry? so there's always a tension with there's always a tension with the international aid budget between it on between distributing it on purely humanitarian grounds and distributing it in a way that augns distributing it in a way that aligns with britain's broader foreign objectives. now, foreign policy objectives. now, if look at what the spending if you look at what the spending on is , it's not helping on china is, it's not helping you know, big wells or anything like that. it's things like funding smaller scholarships through to through the british council to allow come here and allow people to come here and study. there is argument study. and there is an argument to that that sort of to be made that that sort of engagement is very useful because it gives connections because it gives us connections to west, to chinese people to the west, to chinese people who to study in the who might want to study in the uk, should part of uk, whether it should be part of the i think is the aid budget. i think is another but another question. but the government, since merged government, ever since it merged dfid with the fcdo has never really the line is really officially. the line is of that the budget of course, that the aid budget is entirely spent purely in pursuit national interest pursuit of the national interest and with our broader and in line with our broader foreign objectives. but foreign policy objectives. but that sometimes mean that we that will sometimes mean that we end up making something which the probably the foreign office probably thinks good diplomatic thinks is a very good diplomatic decision, assessed decision, but which assessed from perspective

from a humanitarian perspective as aid is a bit of a head scratcher. why did you sit on this terms ? i mean, i think the this terms? i mean, i think the relationship with india is slightly more complex considering our joint history. and i think india is an important country, which we do want to see come remain in the kind of western democratic fold. we don't want it to because it's always india has always had a longstanding relationship with the soviet union and russia . i the soviet union and russia. i think we want india to move into the the west and the the kind of the west and the west and forward that west and forward in that respect. don't think in respect. i don't think money in western be to western money should be going to china, though. i think that's china, though. i think that's china is beyond the pale. i mean, country i read the mean, it's a country i read the other that is seeking other day that china is seeking to quadruple number of to quadruple the number of nuclear has in the nuclear weapons it has in the next ten years. it's got it's put up to half a million a week. is minorities in concentration camps. it's not a country . is minorities in concentration camps. it's not a country. i think a penny of british taxpayers money should be gone. so i appreciate this nuance of this. but i think we should be very careful because i think it discredits the entire aid

budget, because i think the aid budget, because i think the aid budget does perform some good in the world. i think when it the world. and i think when it goes these despotism, i think goes to these despotism, i think discredits enterprise discredits the whole enterprise . first and foremost, i think it's absolute lunacy that the foreign aid budget is a spend target enshrined in law and i say this frequently when we discuss this topic, because if you you enforce in law that you've got to spend this money and you've got to , then you're and you've got to, then you're just asking for trouble by way of wastage . just frittering your of wastage. just frittering your money away and not on effective product outcomes. services whatever it is that you're trying to achieve. you say that, yes, we can do good . you yes, we can do good. you mentioned india, by the way , and mentioned india, by the way, and i'm simplifying things, but india is almost a country of two halves. you have a very, very extreme amounts of wealth in india , and then you have india, and then you have incredible levels of poverty after a fair bit of work in india. and it is very distressing. you see children, you know, they'll come up to

your cars and they're living on the streets. it's appalling. why isn't the responsibility of their own government to help their own government to help their own government to help their own citizens more? i mean , their own citizens more? i mean i , their own citizens more? i mean , i think it is and i wouldn't say i agree with ring fencing certain departments or budgets, because i think it basically it basically depends on what's what the priorities are at the time. so, i mean, i think the priority at the moment would be british citizens living here in poverty, where this huge cost of where we have this huge cost of living crisis. and i think that should determine where some of the the moment the money goes at the moment rather fencing, rather than ring fencing, certain especially certain budgets, especially the aid do you aid budget. yeah. and do you think about this whole enshrinement in law, do you think should be a think that that should be a thing? i don't generally approve of that of policymaking in of that way of policymaking in general. understand general. i understand why they did because ultimately, did it because ultimately, especially did it because ultimately, especpressure on government huge pressure on government budgets, easy to budgets, it can be very easy to cut things. and they wanted cut some things. and they wanted to guarantee a minimum level of provision. but as say, provision. but as you say, i think it has better think it has got better recently, but few years ago it recently, but a few years ago it was absolutely scandalous because is because what would happen is they'd to the end they'd be coming up to the end

of fiscal year and they'd of the fiscal year and they'd have money left in the pot. and so they'd just be shovelling it out doon so they'd just be shovelling it out door. and that's you out the door. and that's how you got that rash of stories about them of them funding all kinds of inappropriate them funding all kinds of inappropthee them funding all kinds of inappropthe impact is often tracking the impact is often actually people sometimes don't realise aid. spent realise it's aid. money spent badly hugely disruptive. badly can be hugely disruptive. it fuel corruption, can it can fuel corruption, it can undermine economics. undermine local economics. so you be careful how you do need to be careful how you do need to be careful how you spend you know. so i you spend it now, you know. so i do. don't approve having do. i don't approve of having a fixed target. i do approve of the amount we spend. i the amount of money we spend. i think you can do it can do a lot. you can do a lot of good and if spent properly, it can try and solve problems before it reaches rid of 7.5. reaches it. did get rid of 7.5. do you agree that it should have been do. i do think been reduced? i do. i do think it should have been reduced. i think was huge pressure think there was huge pressure for especially when for that, especially when british people are facing enormous is enormous difficulty. but it is important at important to remember that at least a chunk of the aid budget, by solving at source by solving problems at source and to tackle problems and by trying to tackle problems in country, other countries, in country, in other countries, it prevent, example, or it can prevent, for example, or at like at least slow things like refugee in refugee flows, which end up in britain anyway, and we have to fight them at the channel. so do you 0.5 is the right

you things 0.5 is the right level, so it translates level, so i think it translates about 11.5, 10.6 billion or something that is something like that per room. is that why would i would have that why i would i would have had through the spend and had to go through the spend and see percentage it see what what percentage of it i thought being spent wisely. thought was being spent wisely. so i can't give you an informed judgement. i think. i think that reducing right thing reducing it was the right thing to in the circumstances. but to do in the circumstances. but i'm informed enough, i'm not well informed enough, i don't give exact don't think, to give an exact figure. do you, saying point five, is there or thereabouts the should have the right figure, should it have been think it's a been reduced? 1.7 i think it's a reasonable i reasonable figure. i mean, i think it depends on the situation. mean, if times of situation. i mean, if times of greater of abundance and greater kind of abundance and affluence, i think figure affluence, i think the figure should be should consider should be we should consider moving figure up at of moving the figure up at times of austerity, such now we should austerity, such as now we should consider think consider reducing. i think it depends. of the depends. this is one of the reasons to agree with ring reasons why to agree with ring fencing certain budgets, because, priorities because, i mean, the priorities change the change and depends what the priorities at the specific priorities are at the specific time. i personally think time. well, i personally think that priority always that the priority should always be know, be domestically, you know, whatever. i would agree. whatever. yeah, i would agree. your priority as a government is the citizens of your own country. but i think that i agree with the point that's just been made. i mean, i consider myself an internationalist, not

just kind of moral reasons, just for kind of moral reasons, but think there's a kind of a but i think there's a kind of a kind of a realistic case for that. if don't deal with some that. if we don't deal with some of problems overseas, they of these problems overseas, they impact ten harder on impact us ten times harder on our shores . is not just a our own shores. is not just a case of we can't just isolate ourselves from the world and democratic in democratic development in some of kind of of these and some kind of developing countries actually benefits us in the long term as well . yeah, and i think well. yeah, and i think i understand what you're saying in terms of, you know , i guess if terms of, you know, i guess if we fix it there, then we're helping ourselves here. but then you have the argument then you have the argument and then some be watching some people will be watching this well, do this thinking, well, where do you line with that? you draw the line with that? because obviously we see what's going in afghanistan now with going on in afghanistan now with the there the taliban promising that there were people were these reformed people actually to their actually going back to their previous what do do previous ways. what do you do then? the go back into then? do the uk go back into there and get involved again like a never like we said, it's a never ending isn't it? but ending cycle, isn't it? but but that's politics and that's simply being a government in a in a changing world, there's always going to be a debate about where you spend the money, how right money to how much is the right money to spend. change

spend. countries will change and it and you'll have to it will. and then you'll have to change decision. but change your decision. but i don't think can say don't think that you can say that because people can disagree about where that line is and they about they can disagree about individual spending decisions that we therefore shouldn't do anything have anything because you can have a similar much similar debate about pretty much any budget. know, any government budget. you know, there's debate about there's always a debate about how you spend on how much do you spend on defence, education, health care, how gets how do you spend it, who gets it, doesn't? we just did it, who doesn't? we just did a big debate about who should get welfare. know, on welfare. you know, debating on when avoidable. yeah but when you avoidable. yeah but when you avoidable. yeah but when your country's when you're when your country's economy is in the state that we're apparently pretty much we're in apparently pretty much destitute everyone having to tighten so whether tighten their belts. so whether it's tax, have it's paying more tax, i have this issue that actually this issue there'll issue ultimately there'll be a lot and i can see lot of my view is and i can see them writing it now as we're speaking there saying we speaking sitting there saying we shouldn't giving any foreign speaking sitting there saying we shouldrat giving any foreign speaking sitting there saying we shouldrat fright| any foreign speaking sitting there saying we shouldrat fright now foreign speaking sitting there saying we shouldrat fright now with gn budget at all right now with with taliban, as mentioned. with the taliban, as mentioned. i mean, if we don't want to have permanent troops in troops permanently afghanistan, permanent troops in troops permane have afghanistan, permanent troops in troops permane have afghwith, an, permanent troops in troops permane have afghwith, say, then we have to work with, say, for the pakistani for example, the pakistani government keep a lid on the government to keep a lid on the terrorist activities of militants and insurgents and the taliban government itself. and that costs money. that costs

money. and that cost that is what parts of aid budget what parts of the aid budget goes educating people so goes towards educating people so they don't fall in with these terrorists. if it is, said, michelle, the start of this, michelle, at the start of this, us are sending money to us, why are we sending money to china? answer is simple china? the answer is simple because the head. because we're soft in the head. they good they've they've hit the nail i think for many people might with that. i'm might agree with that. i'm going to quick break. when we to take a quick break. when we come want talk about come back, i want to talk about the on in the channel the the goings on in the channel the albanian ambassador to the uk is being questioned by mp today about who's responsibility is all of this, whose fault is that? everyone likes to blame. don't they? will you tell me the answer to that? i'll see you in answer to that? i'll see you in a couple of minutes .

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conservativehome henry hill , conservativehome henry hill, phil says it's all about the tories. michelle my wife and i have just rejoined the party purely to be able to vote. if and when. boris comes back. colour—blind me fail to reckon that's going to happen. i don't know dave. from where i'll say is i've voted tory for almost 40 years. the way that the tories are dealing with the migrant problem will prove to be the end of the party. well, you've just teed me up nicely there, dave, because the albanian ambassador has admitted that child migrants are pretending to be modern slavery victims. you say he's out of it as well, that he feels of just foreign nationals are being duped by social media adverts. advertisements promising them paradise . it promising them paradise. it baffles me, by the way , henry, baffles me, by the way, henry, why are all of these advertised these videos, etc. even allowed on social media sites? they should have an instant ban and they don't . i mean, haven't they don't. i mean, haven't anyone try and talk about

anything like the vaccine or anything like the vaccine or anything you'd have been chucked straight off. but you see me straight off. but you can see me now. is a some kind of now. this is a some kind of pseudo travel agent and get these people cross on social media watch. is going media watch. everything is going on. not being on. i suppose they're not being very policed . and very effectively policed. and maybe an online maybe albania needs an online safety but does. it safety bill, but it does. it does way, the does highlight the way, the sophisticated in many sophisticated way in which many of smuggling of these smuggling and trafficking of these smuggling and traffickin you know, they're not because, you know, they're not kidnapping off the kidnapping people off the streets. they put lot of streets. they put a lot of effort into mis selling people on of living on their prospects of living in the then, as you say, the uk and then, as you say, they people think, they encourage people to think, do dispose of their do things like dispose of their passports, misuse the modern slavery which is a very slavery act, which is a very important legislation important piece of legislation that to be that we shouldn't allow to be undermined way. so what undermined in this way. so what we do in the we really need to do in the crossing the responsibility crossing to the responsibility is it's the smuggling gangs. and i question all of our i think the question all of our efforts really should i want efforts really should be, i want to high profile trials. to see big, high profile trials. the smuggling the people who've been smuggling people, on leaky people, putting them on leaky boats and making a profit. what responsibility do you think that the on to those the person getting on to those boats, knowing full that boats, knowing full well that it's legal? about them? it's not legal? what about them? well, fine. can well, i mean, fine. we can debate moral them their debate moral call them their moral culpability. as moral culpability. but as a policy solution, i don't think

that's particularly useful. they are simply they're simply coming. obviously coming. it's obviously not great if come here if they're trying to come here illegally. and i that's illegally. and i think that's wrong. telling that wrong. but telling them that that's wrong isn't isn't going to do anything. think in to do anything. i think that in terms response, terms of an actual response, what need to be doing is not what we need to be doing is not just catching the boats, although that's important, it's smashing are smashing the networks that are inducing people to leave albania and other countries, smuggling them putting their them here and putting their lives risk the basis of lives at risk on the basis of lying. james i mean, part of the problem is there's a huge backlog of asylum claims. i think some of the 90% of claims from past two years from the from the past two years haven't been processed yet. and i government is i think the government is culpable that because it culpable for that because it thought on the thought it could do this on the cheap, i think you cheap, essentially. i think you do need to fund the home office probably to process these claims do need to fund the home office probthen to process these claims do need to fund the home office probthen sendycess these claims do need to fund the home office probthen send people ese claims do need to fund the home office probthen send people backlaims and then send people back because a strong because that sends a strong message albanian finance, message to albanian finance, thinking a thinking of coming across on a boat they claim is going to boat that they claim is going to be rejected. i think you have to send message here. yes, i send a message here. yes, i think social companies think the social media companies should this should crack down on this content. the british content. but the british government be pricing the government should be pricing the processing claims processing of these claims much more sending more quickly and sending the

people that will send people back. and that will send the message hopefully to just people thinking of the people thinking of making the journey not they're journey that they're not they're not here asylum not welcome here as asylum seekers. that that seekers. and i think that that bnngs seekers. and i think that that brings to the hosts. it brings credit to the hosts. it makes the whole system more credible those are credible for those who are actually genuine claiming asylum. if i had a bit asylum. but also, if i had a bit of a dual life wherever i lived and my mates was in a lovely victorian four star hotel and was ringing me video calling me, sharing these wonderful golf course grounds. i'd probably want to be there as well. so actually, but if it was being processed, if the claims are being processed much quicker, you wouldn't have lots and lots of people waiting around in hotels. of government in hotels. one of the government in a actually keep the a state to actually keep the number claimants house on number of claimants a house on the anderson, the the books, only anderson, the mp, way, i think we've mp, by the way, i think we've got of him. i think he's got a clip of him. i think he's been watching this programme because listen to what he was asking today because they don't have to apply have the possibility to apply for legal migration . that's the for legal migration. that's the problem and to apply for a visa because then they've come back

to why can't they just visit the country for 28 quid and then claim the claim asylum . why? claim the claim asylum. why? yeah, why can't they claim why can't they visit the country for £28. travel point £28 claim. i on a holiday and then claim asylum . why can't they do the asylum. why can't they do the i don't have this this information you live on this information like andrzej duda i've got a sad do i think lee was watching me because i asked that a few months ago i was pondering why go to all that hassle, all expense of getting on this. but when you could just get on a flight? i don't know the answer. i don't flight? i don't know the answer. idont do flight? i don't know the answer. i don't do you know the i don't know. do you know the answer says answer at home? emily says michelle, the trouble with some young people is want their young people is they want their perfect job or an easy life. this is about the, quote, 4 million young people that say they work. she they don't want to work. she says, i school, you says, when i left school, you had to the first job. you had to take the first job. you offered a lump. it's my folks won't allow me to sit around doing nothing. parents too doing nothing. parents are too soft blame me on the soft now. you'll blame me on the parents. anonymous mum. and

parents. an anonymous mum. and she didn't you a name? she didn't give you a name? she's 5:00 she's my son. it's very 5:00 first and it must do great university worth more university is barely worth more than an hour's a few hours a week since is made it clear he has intention of working full has no intention of working full time. fit well, and time. he's fit and well, and there's reason why he cannot there's no reason why he cannot work. tell you work. well, i could tell you a good job. i'm not his mother at a straight out. and a tough time. straight out. and i have making him i would have been making him work from a long time in work from a long time ago in a sort of a wedge with him. you do? roberta says young people don't have much going for them. they can't get a home, get low, pay, they can't get a home, get low, pay, till you're 80. pay, go to work till you're 80. why alison says why bother, alison says michelle, i want to ask you this. why would anyone with a brain want to get a job? i can see why they wouldn't. your see why they wouldn't. all your taxes , the amount the government taxes, the amount the government takes rising for the takes is rising for the employed. you're on benefits employed. if you're on benefits though, you get all of your protection against the cost of living protected, she says . living protected, she says. where's the incentives for people even to bother? jti says packitin people even to bother? jti says pack it in blaming the pandemic for everything. get out there and get a job right. that is all

i've got time for. and get a job right. that is all i've got time for . thank you i've got time for. thank you very much, james henry , for your very much, james henry, for your company. i'll be back tomorrow . company. i'll be back tomorrow. lord moylan, kevin craig keeping me company . lord moylan, kevin craig keeping me company. but next stop is laurence fox. good evening, lawrence. what have you for lawrence. what have you got for us james. tonight us? good evening, james. tonight we're talking about rishi sunak's relationship with the truth . why albanians are truth. why albanians are boycotting budget airlines and matt hancock's new career. thank god . good evening. i'm alex god. good evening. i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office. we have issued a few weather warnings over the next few days , mostly for ice, but few days, mostly for ice, but also across parts of northern scotland. some snow as well. low pressure up to the north—east. the winds coming down from the north, not particularly strong winds cold and brisk across northern scotland and along the east coast. but elsewhere, the winds are light. we've got clear skies for most, hence why it's turning to frosty. now there are some showers across parts of wales, south—west england and northern snow on the northern ireland. snow on the hills mixture rain and hills, a mixture of rain and sleet at low levels. same goes

for these showers across the east england. what we've got east of england. what we've got any showers, those temperatures tumbling could be icy , tumbling means it could be icy, minus five. even in minus four, minus five. even in towns cities lower than that towns and cities lower than that in spots . so frosty, in rural spots. so a frosty, potentially icy starts to thursday. more snow showers keep going through the night and tomorrow across northern scotland , a few more centimetres scotland, a few more centimetres likely , especially on hills, but likely, especially on hills, but even at lower levels, the showers, because while southwest england come and go and england will come and go and northern again, a bit of northern ireland again, a bit of snow likely the hills. for snow likely over the hills. for many, a sunny day, but it's many, it's a sunny day, but it's going to be a cold day tomorrow. two at best for the two or three at best for the majority .

good evening. tonight on average would make laurence fox as the days get colder , the tories get days get colder, the tories get weaker with u—turn after u—turn, this time with . prime minister this time with. prime minister rasheed snow as joe biden golfing says we can have onshore wind farms rolling it out in the summer . we'll have a debate on summer. we'll have a debate on that as the winter days get colder and colder and energy bills get higher and higher. we'll also talk about the latest on the albanians coming over illegally to the uk, you know, the ones suffering. so much in that lovely destination that lovely tourist destination , having to pay five , they're having to pay five grand to come over here by boat. and my talking pints guest is carpenter by day, tv star by night . but first, the news with night. but first, the news with tatiana sanchez . thank you, tatiana sanchez. thank you, lauren. this is the latest from the gb newsroom levelling up. secretary michael gove has planning permission for a new coal mine in