other people are saying where's the account .7 so basically saying the account? so basically saying something after they've paid into the system all of their lives and they are entitled to the assistance . who side are you the assistance. who side are you on? i'm by the way. do you think the government is doing enough generally to help us all out get this climate crime on humanity? what am i talking about? well, i'm talking about green party's description of the new money that's been given the go ahead in cumbria. is this back in the dark ages or it all common sense . an dark ages or it all common sense. an rising in young adults here in britain faster than anywhere in the world. some people are saying the government should more to stop it. saying the government should more to stop it . really? is it more to stop it. really? is it the government's responsibility? rishi sunak's to stop you being unhealthy. give me a break. oh, am i missing something? and imprisonment for public ? imprisonment for public? basically that means a sentence with a minimum term, but not a

maximum. what? about 3000 people are locked up on that basis. many are saying it's time to show the message and them is it. you tell ? me, first of all, you tell? me, first of all, before i get that, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headlines headunes. headlines. hello there. welcome back. you have noticed i am not the glamorous newsreader. i know you're back with me, michelle dewberry. i'm you until 7:00 this evening. i'll bring you those headlines as soon as i can here alongside me in the studio is my wonderful panel. here alongside me in the studio is my wonderful panel . you're is my wonderful panel. you're just as glamorous as the news reader , gentlemen. don't worry reader, gentlemen. don't worry about that. kevin the ceo of palomar and the former adviser to , boris johnson, and now tory to, boris johnson, and now tory life peer in the house of lords. daniel moylan. and you know the drill, don't you, on dewbs& co. it's not about us here and our thoughts. oh, no, it's about you

at home. well you can get in touch with me. vaiews@gbnews.uk is the email or you can tweet me at gb news. i've mentioned the stories i'm going to be talking about, haven't i? coal mines in cumbria. good idea or not? pfison cumbria. good idea or not? prison is that been locked up? basically with no end dates. what your you that what your you to that those sentences now a thing sentences are now not a thing forward many people are forward but many people are languishing from past languishing them from the past or should they be released? should we show mercy on these people? some saying because people? some are saying because of space restrictions in prisons, what really that why you kind of release people because you show a room they to me and also diabetes type two who's responsibility is it if you have got back don't mean to be harsh but i think yours however many people are saying that the government needs to do more to help those really . i more to help those really. i mean, come on now, surely there are limits to what you expect. rishi sunak and crew to do in your life. are they or not? i don't get in. and by the don't know. get in. and by the way, you might have noticed a

hitch and i'm free zone. where more on panel . what more primark on this panel. what that i'm not to that means is i'm not going to be delve far into the hole be delve too far into the hole harry and meghan documents today honestly because i'm not that interested quite frankly. but if you are if , interested quite frankly. but if you are if, you're sitting at home going, what's she doing she's missed out. the most important topic of the day. harry and meghan's documentary. you tell me your thoughts you can tell me your thoughts about want. so as i've about it if you want. so as i've just been saying, view is just been saying, gp view is that gbnews.uk is the email or if twitter is your thing, get in touch at. gb news writes top story though this windsor, of course we've all been given a little bit of help, haven't we, when it comes to our bills, some pension house i'm fact i say all pensioner can get up to an extra £300 as a cost of living payment . this is not means tested i'm going to cut to the chase on this i'm going to start with you kevin , by the way. listen, kevin, by the way. listen, gentlemen , do not have the gentlemen, do not have the luxury of seeing this, but kevin craig is obviously a man that is

not called because, you know, even got socks on. i was in a rush. michelle and you forget to put your socks out. i but i didn't expect you to expose. all right. sorry about . right. i'm sorry. sorry about. i've talking about how right. i'm sorry. sorry about. i've it talking about how right. i'm sorry. sorry about. i've it is talking about how right. i'm sorry. sorry about. i've it is i've talking about how right. i'm sorry. sorry about. i've it is i've got

winter crisis upon us, if means testing , delay money getting to testing, delay money getting to those who need most. i can understand why we don't do it, but i think the states money should be spent carefully. i think that's something that labour people like me believe in very strongly. and i don't know why you'd give it to very, very, very well—off people, pensioners or those younger. so you it should be means tested then . the should be means tested then. the roundabout kind of way. yeah yeah i know moylan well , unlike yeah i know moylan well, unlike you and useful. kevin i have to declare that i am now. i've clicked over state pension age, so i find i've got an interest andifs so i find i've got an interest and it's hard to believe i know why i believe that. and but so i probably have an interest declare. but what i want to say that i think there's a question of fairness in this people pay a percentage of their income salary that wages into a state insurance system to get my pension at end of the time, unlike any other pension, what

you put in doesn't affect what you put in doesn't affect what you get out because we all the same state pension provides do the number of years you do the number of years you will get the state the same state pension and that's a deal you like. that's a deal if you like. that's the sort of social contract we've all signed up to. and i think therefore if you're going additional pension going to have additional pension of arise from of benefits that arise from being you should being a pension you should recognise that should get treated the same because that's the system that's , the system, the system that's, the system, the system that's, the system, the principle, the whole system is based on. so people put people contribute a lot more than others during their life. that's fine . they accept the that's fine. they accept the same pension . you then start same pension. you then start double tapping and taking the money away . when it's a pension money away. when it's a pension of benefit, then i think what you do is you're not confident in the system. you start to break that and people will say , break that and people will say, well, why should we? we should get rid of the national insurance people have insurance and people should have their like do in their own pensions like do in australia. might a australia. there might be a state pension they just have state pension and they just have to own provision. to make their own provision. we'll mandatory, we'll make it mandatory, make their provision their

their own provision during their lifetime get by on lifetime and they get by on their own think you're you're their own. i think you're you're playing dangerous game there playing a dangerous game there really with public confidence. of . easy to say it should of course. easy to say it should . go to the people who need it and not others. and i with you in principle. that's true most benefits. but i think when it comes to the national insurance system, there is a contract there. there is a understanding we all share . and you play about we all share. and you play about that at at risk. yeah, because in fairness i mean one of the things that i find interesting we say is that when you get to a certain earning level you lose out on all kinds of things, whether it's child benefit bonds, free childcare , whatever, bonds, free childcare, whatever, whatever. and the flip side that is, there is an argument which is, there is an argument which is hung on a second. i've paid my dues the same way that anyone else paid their dues, so why shouldn't i get access to let's call them these benefits, these perks. it's a system whether you want call it. and daniel's want to call it. and daniel's point is one that i agree with. you know, people potentially hopefully their lives

hopefully worked all their lives , contributed system. , contributed into the system. so they not receive help or so why they not receive help or because when you are so well—off right that you don't notice or need that 300 quid and i'm talking about the winter fuel payment, right. because daniel so broad in this out to pensions but when you're so well off you really shouldn't take state money if others more in need would benefit from it more and i when families and individuals above a certain level lost child benefit right and that was a good decision because yeah because loads of above income level were getting money they didn't now just because if you're lucky enough to go through life in this country and you go up the salary bands right over time , i don't think it over time, i don't think it destroys your faith in our nafion destroys your faith in our nation and our state. if you lose some of those benefits that are intended to help those at the lower level of the scale,

more of us are living longer, more of us are living longer, more of us are living longer, more of us are getting we have to, i think, constant me keep looking at how we spend the states money there's clear clear understanding isn't there in people's minds between benefits which should go to the people who need them and. an entitlement which arises an insurance scheme. you tell most people that who've a pension, that their pension is a benefit . say that's all benefit. i do. they say not to say i paid for that i earn. all right, that's all then here's a question. so when you start saying we're going to give this something extra to pensioners . it's not extra to pensioners. it's not benefit in the sense it's test andifs benefit in the sense it's test and it's something they're entitled to. all right but here's how they see it and quite rightly so the rich and i understand that but here's a question if an individual has built up over their life, say, a pension of half a million quid. right. should still be entitled to the same state pension if they done the right thing,

worked hard . made that provision worked hard. made that provision . why not? because that person , . why not? because that person, whoever this person is, started a pension or whatever. so this pensioner has worked his or her entire they've paid into this system. yeah. so then paid more into it than many others. or should you then be excluded from reaping rewards if you like the return. yeah on that i think i agree it's a it's a very good question to ask back, but my worry is that this country , many worry is that this country, many areas of the public realm, local authorities is falling apart. things are not as good as they used be. education, streets and pubuc used be. education, streets and public services . the salaries of public services. the salaries of pubuc public services. the salaries of public workers . and i'm just public workers. and i'm just keen that we debate where the money goes and it goes to the right people in the right things . but you but you didn't answer my question in terms of fairness if you pay into a system your whole life and you know you might be paying into multiple systems whatever if you pay into the basic system the national

insurance system don't you think it is great unfair that just of all the provisions you may or may not have you get zero return on that payment , which may not have you get zero return on that payment, which is what you're potentially suggesting it's a powerful argument, but i just think we it could be quite worrying if people of significant wealth and provision for example are getting a 300 quid when to pay that's what we started i get the state pension at all and why should they get even if they got the state pension why should they get the benefit of the uprating. but the triple you might say triple triple lock you might say triple lock, going to with lock, we're going to stick with the triple and we'll update the triple lock and we'll update the triple lock and we'll update the but not you're the pensions, but not if you're rich okay, we still do rich. okay, but can we still do that? mind you we started talking the cost of living and crisis. so this is a pension of benefit this is a benefit for pensioners . benefit this is a benefit for pensioners. this is not the benefits for people on credit. this is not the help that's been given to families generally . i given to families generally. i mean, you're right that there is, of course, administrative

problem, that if try to means test them , it'll be next spring test them, it'll be next spring before anybody got any money because they didn't have the right to be able to target it . right to be able to target it. so an issue, of course so that is an issue, of course and probably the main reason driving all but i do think it's defensible otherwise defensible because otherwise the next start is, well, next thing you start is, well, we have the uprating for we won't have the uprating for people above a certain income level won't the uprating and level won't get the uprating and let the pension wither on the vine and people are saying, well, paid this, paid well, i paid into this, i paid a lot this . and it wasn't lot into this. and it wasn't ever benefit. was always a ever a benefit. it was always a deal ever a benefit. it was always a deal. was always deal i pay deal. it was always a deal i pay in and i get a certain and it's just same with a private just the same with a private insurance company. imagine a private insurance company saying you've paid your pension in but you're earning we're giving you a much. going to take it a bit much. i'm going to take it away from that's cheap. away from you. so that's cheap. that's well, james, you that's fraud. well, james, you saw of my view as he sums it saw one of my view as he sums it up in a single sentence , michel, up in a single sentence, michel, this not the states . it's this is not the states. it's ours . they agree with it. ours. they agree with it. sensible chap. but james sounds well, it is ours. the states money is ours. but if we're

going to talk about what's don't we want money going where most needed? that's all i'm saying. i'm just that it's quite healthy debate these things when our pubuc debate these things when our public services are public realm and millions of people on lower incomes. my question is are we going to constantly make sure that the money's to those most in need? i do accept that strong bond and attachment that's why governments tread very carefully on the triple lock issue of pensions . but we did start off pensions. but we did start off and i'm not being shifty, michelle. i very clear that i'm concerned about the cost of living, payment going to people who are so well—off, who don't need it. someone else is saying , i must say you're all email again of you say you're pushing each other down. but i've just seen one pop up in inbox and seen one pop up in my inbox and so but michelle also pensioners for got any for example we never got any fowler or anything like the point is that i'm starting to have a bit less but furloughs

like this folks still their pensions throughout the crisis didn't they you did furlough was for those who were going to lose income salaries and didn't have the money to live on they didn't have the pension continued have the pension which continued unabated. your name unabated. i found your name nicola also nicola saying yeah and this whole thing about child benefit i mean i'm going massively off topic but you go off topic your own show, off topic on your own show, what can do. actually don't can you do. i actually don't think but when you think it's fair, but when you get a certain level that you get to a certain level that you don't things like child don't get things like child benefit, get things benefit, you don't get things like the free childcare. why not? but shouldn't business effects such as child benefit and income support and some of the things aimed at those most needif the things aimed at those most need if through your own hard from child, child benefit was aimed at children and people in need and it's worth can i can i haven't even answered have it for you too. i wanted to the phone.i for you too. i wanted to the phone. i want to dig a m. go on conversationally . i think that conversationally. i think that we need to about benefits and

our money when it's paid into state and comes back to us as citizens . surely we want it to citizens. surely we want it to go to those in need. and if graft like you, you get to a certain income level and you're not on the breadline , do you not on the breadline, do you need child benefit because your child will be so well looked already zero income the same as all the other children. children are equal if they have no earnings for themselves. that money was help them not be the parent anyway. i don't know. what was you saying? i say what was you saying? i just say you look at this. over you need to look at this. over the last 30 years, child benefit replace the credit that the child allowance that was went to mothers mothers could get when they had children and that was in an age when mothers often stayed at home early to look after their children . in the after their children. in the early years, gordon brown more or less decided that women, all women had to go to work. that's why you've now two family working, two parent working is absolutely the norm. and that's absolutely the norm. and that's a stretch what you just said. no, no. was the whole was set up

to try and force that to happen. and it has happened. so you've got this huge change. and with it, the child the child with the benefit was basically withdrawn and hedged and limited not just gordon brown government's successively done this as we've to a very new social model where mothers were expected to go out and have time jobs now most those are then heavily dependent on which is extremely expensive and the idea that and there aren't enough staff around to support childcare that's needed the idea that somehow that you just oh there are lots of married couples there on to two incomes and they don't need child these people are really struggled i think they do need child benefit and of course there might be a few millionaires there who don't actually need it, who are collecting. but you're talking about marginal most about a marginal i think most families young kids families with young kids probably need . i don't think probably do need. i don't think it's a benefit. i think it's something that always went to mothers and should still go to

mothers and should still go to mothers to help them through the early years of having children. and i tell you i've opened pandora's box now. so if i look at time, i've got to go to a break. i wish that i could have now this whole conversation about the cost of childcare, for example i've set myself off there that's a red to a there that's like a red to a ball for me that what i can tell ispent ball for me that what i can tell i spent a fortune on it. anyway, we're to a quick when we're going to take a quick when i back, i'll have some of i come back, i'll have some of your thoughts. the whole pension situation, too, susan howard says, would way says, michelle, it would way more push salaries more in paying push salaries means this then it means test any of this then it would give out you would just give it all out you make sensible point there how make a sensible point there how it's you do i'm going to take it's so you do i'm going to take a break. when i do come a quick break. when i do come back, i'll have some more of your thoughts. but also want your thoughts. but also i want to ask the coal mine in to ask you, the coal mine in cumbria that's just given cumbria that's just been given the ahead. it's been called the go ahead. it's been called a climate crime, crime humanity climate crime, crime on humanity . little bit extreme . is that a little bit extreme or is that absolutely right? what's give them to me and what's your give them to me and i'll see in a couple of minutes.

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hello there. welcome back to jason with me, michelle dewberry. lots of conversations into my inbox. i can you lots of feedback on that pensioner steve says i've got a £500,000 private pension and to get it. i sacrifice holidays cars and a social life . if someone social life. if someone squandered their earnings and now has no private pension , now has no private pension, basically, i think steve well who's got the most entitlement and then a state pension . oh and then a state pension. oh i don't know save controversial if you if you haven't got a half a million pounds private pension is it because you've squandered and your ending is always who's this lower you say michelle i haven't got any children so why i be expected to pay for those who have if you can't afford your kids don't have them says laura. oh out laura ultimately

laura, i hear you about not having kids, etc. but we need people to have that way in order for this country to prosper. you know, if you don't have children , people don't have children. and i think we've got a low birth rate actually compared to some other countries. then who moves society forward, who progresses action? so i progresses popular action? so i would say it's in everybody's interests. birth now, interests. birth rates. now, 1.63, which well below replacement. how do you know that off the top of your head i happen know that off the top i know and very much top of my head but we're well below replacement rate so the number of you know the population is falling needs when you've falling who needs when you've got daniel moylan your hand got daniel moylan to your hand side. what i say right side. that's what i say right let's talk i'm going to check that by the way and make sure. right. because i've got to remember the birth rate is i just know it's low. right. let's talk common, shall we a new walker has been approved by the governments. first one the governments. first one by the way, in about 30 years. should it have been , by the way? i did it have been, by the way? i did i introduce you guys. we came back.i i introduce you guys. we came back. i did introduce you . oh,

back. i did introduce you. oh, god . in your thermal underwear. god. in your thermal underwear. i i was wondering what you was going to say, that you even talk.i going to say, that you even talk. i was thinking. what if i just whispered you two in the just whispered to you two in the break about now you break that you're about now you announced air. actually announced it on air. actually right? yes, i did. yes, i do. i think it's interesting to talk about family also. it's one about family also. now, it's one of conversations, gets of those conversations, gets people doesn't people talking, doesn't it? anyway, i just saying, anyway, as i was just saying, the coal mine in 30 the first uk coal mine in 30 years has now been approved this is over in cumbria and what's the steel that it's going to basically mining for is all do with steel create like you say the steel that we're going to be mining for i meant the that we're going to be mining for will be used not for energy but more steel production obviously you won't be surprised to that. many people are furious about decision they're saying it's taken britain back to the dark ages. taken britain back to the dark ages . some of taken britain back to the dark ages. some of people are taken britain back to the dark ages . some of people are saying ages. some of people are saying perhaps why even up, daniel? because are imagining because people are imagining legal all cons , legal to it. and all cons, what's your position? i think it's fantastic news. i think that , first of all, this is, as

that, first of all, this is, as i understand, commercial, private venture, it's there for profit, which is good. it's not another government's second thing is it's going to bring jobs with. most importantly, if we're going to have a steel industry. and need steel. industry. and we do need steel. you've to have coke. steel industry. and we do need steel. you'invented have coke. steel industry. and we do need steel. you'invented inive coke. steel industry. and we do need steel. you'invented in the :oke. steel industry. and we do need steel. you'invented in the 18th steel industry. and we do need steel. you'invented in the 18th century was invented in the 18th century and people discovered what you could do when you mixed on and you get steel and you have to have coke. coke is basically coal and we need this we need it now are two ways we can get it. we can mine our own abundant, which is a very high quality , which is a very high quality, and we can use it to make steel or we can import it and we will be doing one or the other when we that is the steelmaking industry , britain, what's left industry, britain, what's left of it can be supported by coke from this mine. well, no, because of because at least two of the steel carriers here have said that they're not going to use this coking coal is a tough one from my accent. and actually it's estimated about 83% of this stuff will be exported today. well, that would be fantastic,

because that be a great deal better than what we do at the moment, which we import the moment, which is we import the coal and we need more energy resilience in this country. coal and we need more energy resilience in this country . and resilience in this country. and this is very, very good this is this is very, very good news. and as the planning inspector pointed out, great job creator as well. so i we should be entirely behind and ask for the people and i just make this comment before kevin comes on. kevin sensible kevin is, a moderate, sensible sounding , but behind it poisons sounding, but behind it poisons , socks, he doesn't get all like this tunnel. carry on he does to get him his socks on him. there are all these hysterical people crying about against humanity and, stuff like that, as if we're murdering on the, you know, on the beaches . it is know, on the beaches. it is neverit know, on the beaches. it is never it is not the intent of net zero that we should never create any carbon . we will be create any carbon. we will be using even beyond 2050, even if net zero is totally achieved, because the offset is net zero,

net zero will be offset through carbon capture and other means . carbon capture and other means. so the idea that will be completely free economy is never been built into this. there will always be some need . the carbon always be some need. the carbon based materials and this is one of them. well you simply make steel without and coke is form of coal. kevin well, i think it's the fellow of the house of lords, daniel, it's the fellow of the house of lords, daniel , formerly known as lords, daniel, formerly known as john gummer . right, full of john gummer. right, full of lefties. now look , look well. lefties. now look, look well. he's a conservative house of lords . conservative member of lords. conservative member of the house of lords. you're him a lefty. jim of the china climate change committee . he this tory change committee. he this tory called scheme absolutely indefensible alok sharma president cop26 said approval would damage britain's international reputation. now i get the need for jobs in a really economically deprived and i'm going tell you something really interesting that ed

miliband says, which you might think is a contradiction but it isn't right he talks if you're worried about the planet and end of the world, you also have be worried about the end of the month the standard of living month and the standard of living and soi month and the standard of living and so i totally and earning a wage. so i totally understand many folks cumbria understand many folks in cumbria are pleased about this, but i think this is a bad decision and i think we should be moving away from coal and i feel and steve, what . no, but from coal and i feel and steve, what. no, but it's from coal and i feel and steve, what . no, but it's not british what. no, but it's not british steel companies importing the right . well hang on politics we right. well hang on politics we i think is very trying i know think it's a really backward step for our country to be basically dirty technology right by understand the people who are excited the jobs clean high quality anthracite it's not going to emit loads of carbon lignite we've why why do we never as much as we need to this channel about the state of the planet and the quality of our

air and climate change. we talk about it and we discuss oh it's just to improve we want to improve the last hang on hang on. too often talked about as if it's whinge and little lefties making up the problem he now i agree the crimes against humanity is intemperate. i phrase it like that but our planet is really in danger right and we have to set an example a country and what we want to do . country and what we want to do. we should be creating thousands of thousands of green jobs. we should be creating thousands of thousands of green jobs . that of thousands of green jobs. that still said renewables , onshore still said renewables, onshore wind, lots of those green jobs such as green jobs after were all for onshore . and a couple of all for onshore. and a couple of people who occasionally climb up inside a turret to get to check the mickelson devilish characterise asian. no no but i really to know what these green job is are that renewable technologies doing so much more to harness wind . yeah well i was

to harness wind. yeah well i was sold for the jobs will come from us as a country scale and we did the jobs building the you have a tidal barrier the tidal barrier your mop you never that's one of the things in swansea you might as well mechanic pacific answer it so it's hard to tell you my lord the tidal one site you're being very naughty. yeah. pack it in. yes. sorry. so it's cost. and the government a massive chance to really innovative scheme in swansea in evolving new tidal technologies, creating energy didn't do it didn't do it. that's what i mean by green . they had done it and it was very , very expensive. but let's very, very expensive. but let's say they had done it does hs2 has fusion of businesses i'm not saying they or shouldn't have doneit saying they or shouldn't have done it maybe they should. it was very expensive , but let's was very expensive, but let's say had done how many say they had done it. how many jobs it was built, how many jobs once it was built, how many jobs once it was built, how many jobs would actually be involved in in that tidal in managed in that tidal barrier? well i'm not going to be quite fit. we have siemens, for example, hull . a couple for example, in hull. a couple of family worked there of my family worked there actually. kinds of actually. they do all kinds of different things around

manufacturing these blades, maintaining blades and the maintaining blades and all the rest it. but kevin, my rest of it. but kevin, my question you, guess, is why question to you, i guess, is why does have to be that? oh, does it have to be that? oh, well, it's just the either always that coal mining and these old and to use the substrate for lunch they're dirty technology is the emissions that they release go against all the commitments we've made on an international stage. yes see these contrasting because when i'm at the objection to this much of the objection to this much of the objection is coming from phrases like undermines the uk is authority is a leading climate kind of thing. authority is a leading climate kind of thing . it undermines our kind of thing. it undermines our reputation like how important is that kind reputation? why that? why does the uk have to be this leading force in climate? still well, i totally get your question right. but either we believe as a country that the planet is heating too fast, that theice planet is heating too fast, that the ice caps are melting danger ously quickly. the sea levels

are rising too fast. either we believe that we did and it was your mutual pal in fact or, you know, object of admiration boris johnson for you too. he was very vociferous about this sort of stuff, about climate and environmental leadership and this decision goes against that. michelle a point. thank you. nothing do in this country it nothing we do in this country is going to affect the global consequences of climate change because we are responsible 1% of the world's emissions anything we do in country has to be on the basis we are showing the world where to go. we've got a lead. so this is entirely about why we are we have got to lead, but we're not. it doesn't have come a point when you get down the road a bit and you're leading and, you look behind you and you see big boys like china aren't following doesn't there come a point where you sit when you start to think that maybe that strategy of leadership at

your own cost at the cost of importing this coal, which we need the actual route in cost is actually not really working well understand the need for jobs they go you can understand each other in the break john says this welcome has upset all the right but how long it will be before we see a u—turn on it. i think you got a good point there because this is not a done deal . yes, it's been given the go ahead, but there'll be a lot of people waiting in the wings, ready to mount legal challenges and everything. so will even get off i don't know. off the ground. i don't know. i'll it to to whether i'll leave it to you to whether or you think it should in or not you think it should in the place. the number of the first place. the number of jobs, by the way is estimated to be about 500. just to give you a little bit of context, the right going take a quick break. do going to take a quick break. do you have diabetes? you have type two diabetes? i ask the amount of young ask because the amount of young adults that does adults in this country that does that do have type two diabetes is increasing . in fact it's the is increasing. in fact it's the highest i think the rest of the world. why and who's to blame ? world. why and who's to blame? people are saying the government

should do more. but isn't it our responsibility to be healthy when a couple of minutes .

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pages arrive straight up . hello welcome back to dewbs & co hello welcome back to dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry you company right through until 7:00 this evening alongside me kevin who's the ceo of palomar and a former adviser to boris johnson and now tory life peer in house of lords daniel moylan. let's get into our next topic shall we. britain has got world's biggest increase of type two diabetes. a major study looked at 204 countries found that the uk was worst affected . the uk was worst affected. the obesity crisis, by the way, has led to nearly five fold increase in the number of under 40 living with the condition since 1990. i read these stories and i look at

the reactions response to them and i am astonished at how many people think that the government should do more . should they done should do more. should they done so well? i'm with you , michel. so well? i'm with you, michel. the fact is, government made itself , in my view, during the itself, in my view, during the pandemic , giving medical. i'm pandemic, giving medical. i'm always happy to get medical advice , but i'd like to get it advice, but i'd like to get it from a doctor. i wouldn't go to my local mp . i'm in the house of my local mp. i'm in the house of lords. i'm happy to. give you medical advice if you want my medical advice if you want my medical advice if you want my medical advice to kevin is don't go out in daylight. this go out in the daylight. this without yes be my that without socks. yes be my that you're but you're not going to. but frankly, if i were kevin, i wouldn't to medical wouldn't listen to my medical advice i've no advice because i've got no medical qualifications at all and sunak nor and nor rishi sunak and nor of any of the people in the commonwealth, maybe of the cabinet. can think i cabinet. i can think of. so i would say listen to your doctor and, to nurses and, and listen to the nurses but don't listen to what they mean they by this when mean what they mean by this when they the government they want the government do. more they're saying is more on what they're saying is still i don't know how a sugar tax says they will say stuff like buy one one free on like buy one get one free on unhealthy all the higher sugar taxes did was put prices up

without effect . went without having an effect. went to my local supermarket corner shop off the sugar came in shop just off the sugar came in because i drink a lot of diet diet coke which has no sugar written in big letters around it. and put the price up of the coke. he put price of the ordinary coke up 50 ppi and ordinary coke up by 50 ppi and it also put the price of my diet coke by 50 and i well, coke up by 50 ppi. and i well, you put it up by 50 b he said sugar tax. look, it says sugar tax. i said, look, it says no sugarjust shrugged his shoulders. well, i mean, just put prices up. there should put the prices up. there should have for to have been incentive for me to buy should get rewarded buy that. i should get rewarded for diet coke. no for buying the diet coke. no chance these. things don't work the people intend. you don't the way people intend. you don't know. any great know. they don't have any great effect. one that probably effect. the one that probably has worked bit heavy taxes has worked a bit is. heavy taxes on cigarettes that has on cigarettes that i think has contributed smoking contributed to people smoking less. but then i think the government's tax luxuries government's to tax luxuries they always have taxed for hundreds of years because and because people accept that with luxuries like perfume and scotch and things like that people should be paying that bit extra on it. and that's a fair tax.

but i think it starts coming to sort of, you know, ordinary food and trying to nudge people hither and yon with taxes is just preposterous, given well 11 loose taxes. i don't i well, i like what taxes to make this country a decent place to be proud of living . but your old proud of living. but your old boss and r us our prime minister michel, who i think on occasion you do admire and lament the passing of boris sometimes. yeah. you know he one of the things that i was impressed with that he did the few things he announced to crack down on the advertising of junk food. he announced a crack down on one bag of deals, buy one get one free of junk food. right because he understood that these things can have an impact on diabetes in our country and it's very again and a bit mischievous when daniel talks about oh don't take advice from people piers when the government takes on health

policy is politicians fronting it up with behind them an army of experts right now so i like the people who put us into lockdown please not today please please. right but so we should be really worried by the and growth of diabetes in our and the government not only should it go back to the things that bofis it go back to the things that boris did a u—turn on that i've just mentioned but also let's give free meals all the time . give free meals all the time. kids at the bottom of the socio economic spectrum because school can be nutritious and give them guarantees of nutrition and healthy diets when often they don't get it for other circumstances, governments can intervene in and public policy and so should be feeding feeding children is a great thing to do, but it is not part of health policy . if you want to say my policy. if you want to say my dinner is health policy, you

know, i'm out to dinner after this. that's part of health policy. no, it isn't. everyone has to know. but you all know you're not opposed to that, are you? that's what kevin's point is. if you've got some poor children whose families can't afford or choose not to spend their money on, as often is the case. health food for their children . then should the state children. then should the state step in and help ? i would step in and help? i would say actually, it should . but actually, yes, it should. but that's different , isn't actually, yes, it should. but that's different, isn't it, to adults making conscious choice to fill their faces repeatedly with too much unhealthy process , sugary bad food . yeah, right. , sugary bad food. yeah, right. but i think it's though isn't it. you can't see that that's different. well it is different absolutely. but i think it is good government to try and encourage and help people to make the right choices. like when we change the law and super know what you need rishi sunak to tell you not to eat junk food all day long. well i post really

don't need him to do that . but don't need him to do that. but don't need him to do that. but do i welcome when the government of the day encourages us as as much as it help to lead healthy lives and helps us to do that . lives and helps us to do that. yeah that's good government is. yeah that's good government is. yeah that's good government is. yeah that's personal responsibility all of the personal responsibility struggles now i don't struggle i'm just thinking of a struggle when our house makes a good point. i like to reflect and listen and not knee jerk reacts . so you personal and personal risks a personal responsibility is part of it where was personal responsibility to the power . responsibility to the power. well i think a big part but not all of it education. people need education caution all the time. the is you but we agree with people do need it proper information. no i'm educated to know that if you know what i meant was chris all day long. yeah that is true but nonetheless need information and i think doctors and nurses are an appropriate of that information that can trust on this topic. i'm the government

should broadly stay out of this they make themselves ridicule us.the they make themselves ridicule us. the second thing is i don't think these nudge taxes work . if think these nudge taxes work. if you if the government thinks particular type of food is dangerous to health, they should ban it because we do that with all sorts things, all sorts of foods that could be on our plate, could be in shops, but we ban them different ingredients because we think they're that's absolutely fine . but the idea absolutely fine. but the idea that you should be nudging people as to what they should do , i think very, very strange , i think is very, very strange indeed. and well like someone who is a simon you make a very good point. simon so you do not in relation diabetes, but in to the school dinners kevin brought up whether or not kids should be getting free school meals, etc. and what you say is it simon if i just give you the wrong name? i just give you the wrong name? i think it was simon. i'll check i'll double check your name because think a good because think it's a good suggestion point that suggestion a good point that raise i do want to credit you raise so i do want to credit you with it but what you're saying

is comes to whether or is when it comes to whether or not subsidise meals not we should subsidise meals for anyone be happy with for how can anyone be happy with subsidising canteens in places like the house of commons and then say you shouldn't be subsidising primary school kids meals ? i want to respond to meals? i want to respond to that. danielle well, i haven't found these subsidy luxury restaurants in the palace of what come off . you know, i don't what come off. you know, i don't know whether or not the restaurant i have i have in found them. there's one. well, i found them. there's one. well, i found amongst the restaurant, amongst the restaurants . the amongst the restaurants. the restaurant. well, tell me . restaurant. well, tell me. amongst the restaurants and at the house of lords. and there is something it looks like a canteen. you take your tray, you go alone, you food. go along alone, you get food. anyone there, including . anyone can go there, including. but the majority people going there are the attendants, the people are working the early shifts, the late shifts. the whole palace is the palace of westminster is full of people who are doing perfectly jobs. they're not grand lawns, not mps . but there's a thousand couple of of them and they need to have

their they need to have their dinner. they're working late. they're coming in early. and there's a canteen for them. well, what's problem well, what's the problem with the canteen. think the works canteen. i think simon's a very good point because what suspect point because what i suspect point you're simon, of you're making, simon, is some of those working those people working those environments are quite off, aren't they, terms of simon? aren't they, in terms of simon? and taxpayers are and if the taxpayers are comfortable subsidising those alcoholic drinks and food, then at the school dinners, it's not still going on about it. but i'm going to take a quick break. you should show me the subsidised alcohol standing room full of it in the break. i'm going to try and bring up one of these menus, six for an ordinary of red six quid for an ordinary of red wine, right . anyway, daniel, wine, right. anyway, daniel, i'll talk to you about these meals a minute because i want to go to a break because we've got an interesting conversation coming and want make coming up. and i want to make time it . coming up. and i want to make time it. there's coming up. and i want to make time it . there's these time for it. there's these sentences basically is a minimum term, but not a maximum term. so basically these people can be locked up ad infinitum. is that's the wrong thing or is it the right thing? some are calling now for these people ,

calling now for these people, about 3000 of them, to be shown mercy and to be should they be? you tell me. and i'll see you in a couple of minutes under these really gagging orders , i think. i mean, i feel orders, i think. i mean, i feel desperately sorry for i should feel sorry for everybody involved because i can't quite work out how we've got to where we've got with the relationship with the brothers and what really upsets me at the moment is really upsets me at the moment livelihoods of the british public. and that's why, mr. speaken public. and that's why, mr. speaker, since i became prime minister, i have been working for new tough laws to protect people from this disruption.

that's the legislation he's asking about. will he now confirm that he'll stand up for

hello there. welcome to dewbs& co with me, michelle dewberry right through till 7:00 tonight, alongside kevin craig, who's the ceo of plasma and the former adviser to boris johnson . now adviser to boris johnson. now tory life peer in the house of lords, daniel moylan . i didn't lords, daniel moylan. i didn't have time to find you menu that was showing subsidised things . i was showing subsidised things. i did find a value was showing subsidised things. i did find a valu e £17 million of did find a value £17 million of taxpayers money is what's being spent last three years. spent over the last three years. apparently subsidising restaurants bars in the restaurants and bars in the house of commons you said when i told you that you don't down that road fund so you wouldn't know you wouldn't know what goes on in the house. that's a little rough down. well, go rough stuff down. well, they go on penthouse at each other on the penthouse at each other all like the house all the time. not like the house load the pension. what i was

load on the pension. what i was asking at the start of the show, whether or not pensions, you know, pension the assistance know, the pension the assistance to be to pensioners should be means i ran a twitter on that, by ran a twitter poll on that, by the 56% of you say, no, the way, 56% of you say, no, they not. and of you they should not. and 44% of you say yes , it should means say yes, it should be means tested. so there you right . this tested. so there you right. this week, the house of lords has debated whether thousand are all there , thereabouts. offenders there, thereabouts. offenders should be released from prison. they have something which is commonly called an ipp , the type commonly called an ipp, the type of which was abolished back in 2012, but there's still many people languishing on them . ipp people languishing on them. ipp stands for imprisonment , public stands for imprisonment, public protection . essentially, it's protection. essentially, it's where you get a minimum tariff, but not a maximum one. daniel moylan some people are saying that it's time now for these people to receive mercy and to be released should be yeah on the whole i think should and the commons justice select committee has just produced a very hard report exposing this. what is a very serious historical injustice is these sentences were imposed between 2006 and

2012 when they were abolished because they contravened the human of the people they were given to and the different system was put in place, but nothing done retrospectively for the people who received the sentences. now when you get a sentence, you get what's called a tariff, which is a minimum term . we've got people in a tariff, which is a minimum term .we've got people in jail term. we've got people in jail who go to the tariff who are who have been in jail ever ten years beyond the tariff that they would have served with no end date in sight. it's a would have served with no end date in sight . it's a form of date in sight. it's a form of huge mental, i acknowledge that they that they committed violent offences to be in there and i acknowledge are probably some people amongst them are probably very dangerous and maybe special circumstance should be taken. but the vast of them have served way beyond what anybody else would serve and they're in a deep psychological and we need to find a way of getting them out. you say there are 3000

there actually about 6000 because about 6000 , 3000 in because about 6000, 3000 in jail. 6000 are out on licence because even if you are let out, you're let out on licence and then take off like a licence about ten years you have to serve a ten years on the licence, clean before you can even be considered for discharge in the sentence. that's almost impossible because people get hold back whole time, often hold back the whole time, often not for committing crimes. there was case only recently of a was a case only recently of a guy who was out on licence was accused a crime. he went to accused of a crime. he went to court, was acquitted, but his probation officer, because the nafion probation officer, because the nation service may nervous about this partly because of the sort of that goes is of publicity that goes on is probation said you've been probation said okay you've been acquitted of going to jail acquitted of going back to jail and going jail an and you're going to jail for an indefinite term , even though indefinite term, even though you've been of you've just been acquitted of a minor offence. what is the in all of this ? now you might say all of this? now you might say you don't let dangerous out on the street. oh that's if that's the street. oh that's if that's the case then you don't. the present criminal justice system because the system we have is get sent to jail for a period at the end, the period you're let

out whether dangerous or not, you don't like that. that's fine then have permanent detention for everybody until they're safe . but that means nobody will ever agree safe. nobody has an incentive to . do so least of all incentive to. do so least of all the politicians least of all the probation officers and you'll have people will never get out quite apart from the fact you need a whole load more prisons. there's no justice involved in that correct well, that at all. correct well, i think like me, most listeners and viewers would have been really staggered to learn about this whole area. and i know that daniel's one of those members of the house of lords has been very active on it. i go to a quote from ministry of justice that talks about these sentences originally handed down by judges who decided offenders posed a significant risk to the public. so it's that the parole board determines when they are safe to release . now, that's the release. now, that's the principle, right? because i think justice system too often doesn't work enough for victims

of crime and protecting the public. but some interesting detail behind this . david detail behind this. david blunkett, a labour member of the house of lords who i know and respect has said he got it wrong because this came in under his time . so i listened to that. time. so i listened to that. i note it and i also read if one guy who has been serving on and off ten years for originally nicking a mobile phone. right. but for me, my number one care is for victims of crime and protection for the public . but protection for the public. but prison where we might disagree, daniel, prisons should be about rehabilitation because that is a name. but from ministry of justice and the prison service and the tory government which i assume you still are broadly supporting in 2020, talked about 10,000 additional prison places . so i do let's look at the detail and of the stories of the individuals do worry. but number one, protection the public and of victims of crime and new

agreements . the first the first agreements. the first the first is the government is not being totally in saying the judge has made those because certainly in the first three years, the law was done so tightly that many judges forced to get these sentences and protested about it at the time even when they thought they were in. and please discuss with any judge who's had an experience of them. a lot of these people should never have had these sentences in the first place. and the people said that were the judges. the law was then relaxed to , give a bit more then relaxed to, give a bit more discretion judges later on. discretion to judges later on. it was all a tick box exercise originally rather than an exercise of justice, of judicial discretion . the second thing i'd discretion. the second thing i'd say is i know it's very easy to say is i know it's very easy to say the phrase the protection of the public is the number one objective of the criminal justice system. well, yeah, it should be no, i don't think it should be no, i don't think it should be no, i don't think it should be . no, i've never said should be. no, i've never said never taken that view. the

purpose of the criminal justice system, first and foremost has to be justice. ministry of justice is not the ministry for pubuc justice is not the ministry for public protection . one of the public protection. one of the things you aim for when you exercise criminal justice is to protect the public. another is to give due punishment . a third to give due punishment. a third accept the system fails completely. in the case of ipp prisoners, mike was intended to be rehabilitation, but that never actually happened. that collapse and david blunkett will be the first to complain about that. he point out that collapsed completely after it was introduced. it was meant to be a very number of prisoners. this meant to be a way of helping them. turned out to helping them. it turned out to be large number prisoners and be a large number prisoners and there's no way of helping them. and just say one other and i'll just say one other thing. the size of the thing. with the size of the prisons, pressure on the prisons, the pressure on the prisons, the pressure on the prisons, ministry justice prisons, the ministry of justice forecasting number of forecasting that the number of people serving in sentences is in jail is actually going go up by 2000 over the next four years because that's the number expecting to be recalled next.

they go this is this is 2000 just by not recall seeing and being more sensitive about ones who are already living in the community. well, you could actually save 2000 prison places. one of my view is gary, as said basically he thinks that all of this is to do with capacity in prisons. and that's why this is the agenda. that's why this is the agenda. that's why people are considering should capacity. i mean, if you've got capacity in prison, if you've reached capacity in prisons, then i would be saying we'll go build more prisons. then what i wouldn't be saying is, goodness gracious me, i've run out of space. let me release some prisoners, but the system has always done that well , i has always done that well, i just go back to that. the government is on it was june 2020. government 10,000 2020. this government 10,000 additional new prison places all about protecting the from those who represent high risk. it was stated as an objective in these new prison places and i think you know nobody wants miscarriages of justice. if

somebody is safe to come out or somebody doesn't deserve to go back in. i think we can all support that. well, let me know your thoughts on and i'll tell your thoughts on and i'll tell you one of the things that has got people talking was the conversation from earlier , the conversation from earlier, the show about the child's situation about many of about child benefit. so many of you are saying that you do not want pay for the children of want to pay for the children of others. you're not answering my question . do progress question. how do you progress society when we all grow up and die ? if people are not having die? if people are not having children , you want society to children, you want society to continue you do you? somebody very helpfully as well sent me a couple of meals , the parliament couple of meals, the parliament menu and i was just talking about opening subsidised press chicken caramelised onion chicken and caramelised onion with tarragon and chive jelly pickled vegetables and salad. how much do you reckon for delicious sounding meal ? this delicious sounding meal? this isn't one of the parliament restaurants don't look at the answer for that meal . oh, i'd answer for that meal. oh, i'd expect i'd be 27 quid for that. 27 quit. yeah. i'm talking about i'm talking about in parliament now in the dining room in the

commons, the house of commons. oh i wouldn't know. they probably do. then the carpet trust 12 quid. so trust the cosmetic 12 quid. so you say 12 quid. how much do you reckon caramelised onions. which are restaurant. oh i to pounds 80. and these are the people tell you ladies and again we will switch restaurants trying to right the lord the members dining room apparently . oh well dining room apparently. oh well i can't even get in there . yeah. i can't even get in there. yeah. the don't let the riffraff in right on that notice. that is all i've got time. daniel. kevin, thank you for time . kevin, thank you for your time. you. laurence is up next. you. laurence fox is up next. laurence good evening. what have you us this jeeves, we you got for us this jeeves, we have the moaning markle's trump's and the graceless song ever written the first weather . ever written the first weather. hello again i'm luke miall with your weather forecast as we head through thursday night. your weather forecast as we head through thursday night . a very through thursday night. a very cold one on the cards for many with a shot, we keep the risk of snow and ice. that's because our air is coming down from the very

cold air mass. you can see the blues flooding, the map there and that will give us the risk of some very nights, particularly as we go into the weekend as well, with the risk of freezing fog. but back to the here and through this evening, we've got risk of ice across we've got the risk of ice across parts of west wales, the south—west of england and east and of england. these and counties of england. these are areas seen showers are the areas we've seen showers through we've also through the day. we've also a snow ice warning place . snow and ice warning in place. scotland, subzero scotland, temperatures subzero under those clears , perhaps as under those clears, perhaps as low as minus eight, minus nine out in the countryside for many, though, there will be some sunshine as we start the day on friday a few mist and for patches around and a bit more cloud for london in the southeast of england but this will soon ease away and then will soon to ease away and then as i say for many plenty of sunshine but we do keep the showers for parts of showers for western parts of wales drifting through wales drifting in through the cheshire and showers cheshire gap as and snow showers continuing for scotland. that warning remains place temperatures struggling temperatures really struggling 2 to 5 celsius. the very max and as soon as that sun sets on friday night we'll see that frost developing quite widely

on.the frost developing quite widely on. the map as well with lighter winds and a bit more across england and wales , some dense england and wales, some dense freezing fog patches develop. this could cause some disruption if you're travelling later on friday and indeed early on saturday morning. once again though, temperatures falling well below , freezing i think well below, freezing i think across some of the snow covered fields in scotland, we could see lows of minus ten. so biting cold start to the saturday morning as we go through saturday. then we keep some snow showers feeding in across parts of wales, right near the coast, but snow inland as we come further elsewhere across the country, there will be still some plenty sunshine around, but some plenty sunshine around, but some freezing patches some of those freezing patches could through the could persist through the weekend and it stays cold throughout . but weekend and it stays cold throughout. but.

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confirm that he'll stand up for working people and that he and his party will back that legislation ? so while the legislation? so while the pressure is on for the tories to free person from the grip of the unions, it's labour who could bear the brunt of the public's anger and the pm's challenge to starmer there. according