being being the commonwealth being being empire to . but these things, you empire to. but these things, you know, do do seep into people's consciousness. and i think there is a real danger that people begin to believe some a lot of this story before, you know with the numerous glossy , know with the numerous glossy, uncritical interviews that they've done so lot of it was

unsurprising, but it was nice to see them finally, you know , see them finally, you know, smiling and laughing because most of the time. we have to listen to them complaining. but for me, the most shocking moment where i channel hello there at 6:00 on michelle dewberry and this is troops the show. we'll get into the things have got you talking and i'll tell you i'm very happy. yes why.7 well, tell you i'm very happy. yes why? well, because i'm happy to declare it's a hit show and i'm freezing. no, harry. no, meghan. i asked of you guys on twitter today how are you in this whole netflix thing? i pondered you want me to get into that on the

show tonight? not i'm happy to report 80% of you said you're not interested at i predict a massive sigh of and instead decided to focus on the following topics for tonight's strikes. how could i not? so i'm joined again by trade unionist this evening i want to get into why we now because last week all of you guys pretty much were on side of the strikers . are you side of the strikers. are you still a week on want your thoughts on that and who should cover by the way, for some of these people? should it be the army or not and the place ? where army or not and the place? where do you stand on this get this, a police force of tweeted out now to ask parents to stop telling children if you're not a the police will come get you. apparently that's not the reputation that the police want to have they want to be more one of those more accessible more approachable . is that why approachable. is that why they're going wrong? should fear they're going wrong? should fear the place or is that an old fashioned view ? and i don't know fashioned view? and i don't know about you, but i can't help but nofice about you, but i can't help but notice now that i since we going

west spies whatever i more and more of those signs popping up cash free zone no cash card only and we all seem to have just kind of shocked and gone okay no problem a should we've done is it okay actually the people can say no to receiving money it's to do so or should be on your thoughts and all of that but first let's bring us up to speed with tonight's latest headlines . tha with tonight's latest headlines. tha tatiana sanchez in the gb newsroom a child with a suspected of strep a has died in sussex, bringing the total of deaths in the uk during recent outbreak to 16. the uk health security agency confirmed , the security agency confirmed, the child was a student at hove school. it says its working with brighton and hove city as well as the school , raise awareness as the school, raise awareness of the signs and. thousands of

royal mail staff have walked off the job in a new wave of strikes. more than 115,000 workers rallied outside parliament demanding better pay and conditions. members of the communication union will strike again on sunday with further action planned the month including christmas . the prime including christmas. the prime minister says government is looking at tough new to help minimise disruption. looking at tough new to help minimise disruption . the minimise disruption. the government is always going to try and act fairly and reasonably and that's why we accepted in full the recommendations the independent bodies that advise the government on the appropriate levels of pay in the public. but what i'm not going to do is ask ordinary families up down the country to pay an extra thousand pounds a year to , meet the pounds a year to, meet the demands of the union bosses wouldn't be right and it wouldn't be right and it wouldn't be right and it wouldn't be fair. but what i am going to do is ensure that i minimise the disruption to people's . royal mail people's lives. royal mail workers . the rally explained why workers. the rally explained why they taking a stand . we do our

they taking a stand. we do our bit and we that that's what we do. we are royal mail so we're here to protect our jobs. if we don't stand and fight the destruction of royal mail not only will we not have a job. but the public won't have a service. it's a question of side. are you on? are you the unions side? are on? are you the unions side? are on the disgusting tory side . on the disgusting tory side. there's no middle way today. on the disgusting tory side. there's no middle way today . and there's no middle way today. and this crowd is telling us that . this crowd is telling us that. meanwhile thousands of soldiers are preparing to for other pubuc are preparing to for other public sector striking this christmas . troops are already christmas. troops are already training at some british ports and airports. border staff at gatwick, heathrow and among others are due to strike for eight days from december the 23rd through to new year's eve. the chancellor has announced plans to overhaul the financial sector to review and replace hundreds of pages of eu regulations. dubbed the reforms,

jeremy hunt says has provided a golden opportunity to reshape rules. more than 30 regulatory changes have been unveiled, including reversing some measures introduced following 2008. financial crash. banks become much healthier financial . sin become much healthier financial. sin process so that financial issues can resolved, which we didn't have before . but on that basis have before. but on that basis we also want to make sure that they can compete with other financial whether it's the united states , asia and scotland united states, asia and scotland is in a fantastic place to do that. and that's why reforms will make a big difference. a police officer has appeared court charged with raping two women, 11 days apart. pc edwards is accused of committing the crimes while off duty in south london and epsom in surrey. he was arrested in september and

subsequently suspended. he's due to reappear in court next month . a fuel poverty charity is warning rising cost of living and cold weather will leave millions struggling winter. national energy says people are facing a choice either living in unheated homes or racking up debt. it comes as the uk health security has issued a cold weather for england with temperatures to drop to as low as minus ten. the met office is warning up to four. inches of snow could fall london and the south—east this weekend . the south—east this weekend. the prime minister has been at the launch a new generation fighter jet in lincolnshire. britain will work with italy and japan to develop tempest designed to replace the typhoon and expected to take to the skies . 2035. to take to the skies. 2035. rishi says the joint venture aims to create thousands of uk jobs and strengthen security ties . king jobs and strengthen security ties. king and jobs and strengthen security ties . king and queen consort ties. king and queen consort have visited rex and afc the

royal couple there to meet hollywood stars co—owners ryan reynolds and rob mcelhenney. they also spoke to players and other of staff during a tour of the stadium . tv online and dab+ the stadium. tv online and dab+ radio . this is gb news. now it's radio. this is gb news. now it's back to . back to. thanks for that, tatiana. i'm with you right through till 7:00 this evening and says thank goodness michelle yeoh programme is in action. i'm free zone. she says thank you capital letters fed up with the whole debacle says i've got to say i kind of agree with you chris you take step further you're saying thank god are not talking about ebola i'll just cancel my netflix because of it all really extreme what are you going to watch your documentaries on. i don't like mass murderers or whatever is

without netflix anyway , that's without netflix anyway, that's enough for them. so be discussing it any more. except though. there's a fly in the ointment because say i'm not discussing it, but look who was alongside me. none other than prince harry himself . the prince harry himself. the firefighter and trade unionist paul embery is quite well done that having you tonight . i've that having you tonight. i've been teaching my wife to a very deep curtsy all day long and she hasn't quite got it. yeah. do you ever make from prince harry? look gigs? well, i thought i might , but look gigs? well, i thought i might, but then when he went off to , i thought that was the end to, i thought that was the end of any doppelganger career . and of any doppelganger career. and now i'm starting love your show. it's available. it's there for all good gigs. what is a wedding? is anything, quite frankly at all of our marriage? it is with those alongside him got the former leader of ukip henry and you know the drill good evening good evening good health roy. i think we've got things to talk about. yeah, so i've done my show with malcolm. thank you . you guys know the

thank you. you guys know the drill. so it was not just about us three here. it's about you at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? i want to talk to you about striking. where do you stand on it? if you're twitter? i've twitter poll running i've got a twitter poll running by where i'm asking you, by the way where i'm asking you, do the strike. as i do still back the strike. as i know last, when we had this topic conversation, topic of conversation, did are you in that position you still in that same position 7 you still in that same position ? in that poll ? get in touch. that poll running for about another an hour or so. you can also tweet me well on gp news at gb me as well on gp news at gb news. i give you that email address, gp views at gb news. you catch the strikes, want to talk to you about consciousness as? well, are you cool with the fact that actually so many places now have fun and the places now just have fun and the windows saying no ? i think it's windows saying no? i think it's very i don't tend to use cash, but that's the point many people do where do you stand on it? and the place do you think they should one of or should should be one of us or should they a bit of separation? they be a bit of separation? should be perhaps should they even be perhaps a level of fear? what do you think of place? you see someone of place? if you see someone come the corner should you come round the corner should you go behave myself as go and best behave myself as a policeman or that just kind

policeman or is that just kind of yesterday's give me your of yesterday's give me all your thoughts again gb news the email says michelle you look like the statue of liberty . michael says, statue of liberty. michael says, are you heading off to the panther afterwards? are you performing ? i think you're performing? i think you're referring to my wonderful you guys need to move the fashions. it's the height of it's a pow headband and i don't mind time. michelle. yes, i was just one of the organisers i don't really think i'm complimenting myself there, but no, i'm not in a panther. i'm just the fashion icon. what i say, right, it's top story strikers, then over 100,000 postal workers have been on strike here in london. this is the first of many days action, by the way, between now. and in the run up to christmas it's not just post is by the way pretty much every industry now is everything border force ambulance train is nurses you name it i'm it's probably easy to list the people that are not

striking then to list all of the ones that are i'm very blessed to have trade unionist, proud trade unionist next to me. but before i come to you, paul, let's start with you. hey are you on of the strikers you on the side of the strikers where? are you on, alex? well, i'm give you i'm going to give you a complicated answer . you know, complicated answer. you know, i thought for a very long time that some of the public workers and i'm including police , i'm and i'm including police, i'm talking fire service, i'm talking fire service, i'm talking ambulance crews. and so are distinctly and i felt the government, successive governments , in fact, over many governments, in fact, over many decades have rather taken advantage of the ethos of serving the public to not keep wages down, but expend more that they need to on paying such people. and i think that's wrong , however, at the moment got a problem with the with inflation . it's causing everybody's cost living to go up whilst salaries remain the same. now historically, in the main inflation goes up when those

people have got excess money in their pockets and spending it. and so retailers charge more driving inflation . and so one of driving inflation. and so one of the ways that traditionally you can you can control that by keeping wages down, taxing people more . now, it doesn't people more. now, it doesn't work in these circumstances because it's not pounds in the pocket of driven inflation. it's external pressures. that's why inflation in 14 eu member states is actually higher than. it is in the uk. it's not just about eu, uk policy or brexit or anything like that . are global anything like that. are global trends and europe in sort of regional trends as the ukraine war. and so if we actually start paying war. and so if we actually start paying people as are asking for, i don't think your union is but 70% and higher in the higher indeed then we are going to drive inflation higher but so it's a sort of nuanced approach i've got not sitting on the fence on this i think it is wrong that the government does

not pay and we've come to on the military in a minute and i've got something to say about that but does not pay public sector staff enough and haven't for a long but i think also long time but i think we've also got be reasonable got to be reasonable expectations. other thing expectations. the other thing i'd is this all over i'd say is this is all over christmas . i'd say is this is all over christmas. i had plans for christmas. i had plans for christmas which are now wrecked to see family that i haven't seen for years. they wrecked well because they're in europe okay and i i'm not going to be able to see them as planned. and we're trying to figure out what to do now . the thing is that the to do now. the thing is that the i can see why they've done it. they think that they're going to apply pressure on the public. the public are going to demand the government moves on this, the public are going to demand the actually ent moves on this, the public are going to demand the actually think oves on this, the public are going to demand the actually think the; on this, the public are going to demand the actually think the unions s, but actually think the unions are losing by by are losing sympathy by by striking this time . it's striking at this time. it's people are already suffering people who are already suffering , who suffering, who are , who are suffering, who are going suffer strikes. going to suffer of rail strikes. i lost a contract the other day because couldn't get a train because couldn't get a train because were striking. so are numerous people who having problems as a result of strikes 7 problems as a result of strikes ? and i think it's unfair , it's

? and i think it's unfair, it's selfish and i do believe that. some unions are driven by pulling as well as , being a pulling as well as, being a voice for their members . so and voice for their members. so and i think that's wrong. i think it's wrong anyway , but i think it's wrong anyway, but i think it's wrong anyway, but i think it's wrong anyway, but i think it's wrong at this time. time of year particularly. well, i'm sorry , but you just have to look sorry, but you just have to look at the economic circumstance that we're in. these disputes have out of a clear have not come out of a clear blue sky. and i disagree that this is being driven politics. it's being driven and precisely by the economic situation and the fact that many people are being told once again that they have to accept real terms, pay cut, the pressure that that's going to put on their many people reaching point, not being able to afford mortgages, not being able to pay energy bills, worrying whether or not they can buy their kids christmas presents. so you know, i think the idea that people have just all millions of workers who are taking strike action have just decided because they don't like

bitter is that they're going to do something about it, they're going attack tories , going to attack the tories, going to attack the tories, going and bring down the going to try and bring down the tory. not a realistic tory. it's just not a realistic assessment of the situation . i assessment of the situation. i think the problem of what henry says is, look we're about to enter a long, deep recession. now in terms of waging crises, potentially driving inflation . potentially driving inflation. if that is true, the danger of not paying people, the danger of not paying people, the danger of not putting a decent amount of money in people's pockets is that you're going to that recession even longer and even deepen recession even longer and even deeper. but why don't we make our demands reasonable? rather 17 plus percent? well, i all unions and we have a bargaining position all unions and but it's difficult you're a railway train driver and people see that you're earning driver and people see that you're earnin g £59,000 on you're earning £59,000 on average, which is about the european average as well if you look at german and french and spanish. on drivers trying to spanish. so on drivers trying to it's a very small number, it's a very, very small number, the people involved, but it's highly in terms of the rmt the

union that represents majority of train drivers or aslef , the of train drivers or aslef, the rmt represents other workers people working on the track, for example, people working the stations, cleaners and so on and so . and some of these people are so. and some of these people are not paying particularly well. but going to point, but going back to the point, i would you know, would that, you know, a temporary increase in inflation, even if that were to occur as a result of giving people decent wage increases , would be much wage increases, would be much the lesser of the two evils compared to a longer and deeper recession, which is what could happenif recession, which is what could happen if we don't keep up, if we don't keep investment, if we don't give people decent pay increases. and then when we enter the downward spiral, we then get into with layoffs and factories and businesses closing unemployment benefits up into , unemployment benefits up into, having to go up, and unemployment queues getting longer, that becomes much more deeply embedded . i agree with deeply embedded. i agree with paul deeply embedded. i agree with paul. i'm saying we don't i'm not saying shouldn't be a pay increase . what i'm saying is increase. what i'm saying is that people to have their lives disrupted over christmas for pay

increases that are or even if they're negotiating positions that are high when some of the people asking for increases are already earning close to £60,000 already earning close to £60,000 a year is difficult for the pubuc a year is difficult for the public to swallow because a lot of people are not part of unions. a lot of people are earning a great deal less and are struggling a great deal more. some of the people in the unions that are striking so it's just presents very badly those are exceptions i think i mean certainly some unions have tabled inflation high , but as tabled inflation high, but as i said, a was a long time union negotiator . of course, you go in negotiator. of course, you go in with a particular demand knowing full well there's every chance you're going to be negotiated down that just as an employer with opposite, go in with the opposite, would go in with the opposite, would go in with lowest handed offer, with the lowest handed offer, negotiate does things. negotiate it does the things. and star and of course, your star position is not necessarily your own but you're going own position, but you're going to that to be subject to inputs that offer. know, i'm pretty offer. and, you know, i'm pretty sure unions at the moment sure that unions at the moment are inside, negotiations are

prepared to be flexible, are prepared to be flexible, are prepared compromise . and prepared to compromise. and in fact, suspect some unions fact, i suspect some unions would actually settle for a lower than inflation pay increase they could get increase if they could get something better than the 4% to 5. i mean, a serious question is, is the negotiating i understand both sides of this , understand both sides of this, but is the negotiating mechanism flawed , is it broken because you flawed, is it broken because you know you get some of the rail unions, mick lynch, for example, saying the government should get involved and the government saying, well, hang on, it's the train operator's responsibility . and, you it's kind of no . and, you know, it's kind of no nobody's taking responsibility for . and that's one for this. and that's one particular union is , the particular union is, the mechanism for negotiating things flawed. is it broken well, is it fit for purpose ? no, i don't fit for purpose? no, i don't think the mechanism itself necessarily broken. i it's got the capacity to be able to deliver deliver decent pay increases. but do think there's an argument to say that if you to a point where there's an between unions and employer is

within a particular industry thatis within a particular industry that is so critical the functioning of the country . then functioning of the country. then there's an argument to say that there's an argument to say that the government at some has to step in. now, i don't think the government should step in on the bafis government should step in on the basis of we're going to outlaw these strikes, going to these strikes, we're going to crush kind of crush unions, that kind of thing. think government thing. i think the government should the basis of should step in on the basis of okay we need to assess the situation some of you know situation as some of you know some demands reasonable some of these demands reasonable do sure people do we need to make sure people get decent increase in get a decent pay increase in this if we do believe this industry if we do believe that, then we've got try to that, then we've got to try to facilitate. think there's facilitate. now, i think there's probably been a shift actually in government's stance the in government's stance with the rail last few rail industry over the last few weeks. i they a very weeks. i think they took a very , very obstructive approach and i think they've softened with realisation that the answer you're not going , they are into you're not going, they are into a solid and strikes will. but the other thing mean i would say to if you if, if to the unions if you if, if intentions are and only to support the welfare of your staff fair enough but if you have the slightest bit of what you're doing motivated by

politics and i do personally believe that some of the unions are motivated of union leaders. a motivated partly by politics. i think mick lynch is one then i think they need to stop because they're not doing themselves the country or anybody any good if they want to fight, become a politician, not union leader. do you think some of it's motivated politics? well, union leaders are course, are by definition, of course, they are. i was a senior union official. i'm political by by definition. but we need to remember, how do we get to a point thousands of workers point where thousands of workers in particular industry members in a particular industry members of particular take of a particular union take strike action don't do it because a union might have done it the seventies, a it in the seventies, because a union leader collectively lingers and said, right, everybody what everybody out. that's not what happens now there happens now. now there are a number of hoops that a union would have to jump through . i would have to jump through. i mean, some of the most mean, we have some of the most restrictive and union restrictive and union restrictive trade union laws in western europe, the way. and western europe, by the way. and union just order union leaders don't just order people have the ballot people out, they have the ballot then. so the people who are taking this action are not the union the members

union leaders. it's the members of we shouldn't forget of voted it. we shouldn't forget that. think what that. yeah. i think what i always fascinating and everyone denies unions denies just how political unions are course lest we forget are but of course lest we forget that many of the unions fund or make large and donations to the opposition which i always find quite interesting if you then want to sit down and say you're not political anyway, i want to take a quick break. my inbox is literally on fire with you guys referencing of the stuff that's been and your thoughts. been going on and your thoughts. so what i'm going do is take so what i'm going to do is take a quick break now and. i'm going to to this there's to return to this topic. there's a lot to get into. i want a lot for me to get into. i want to ask about whether or you to ask about whether or not you think laws around think that the laws around should be tougher. i want to ask about military do you about the military as do you reckon should be reckon the military should be expected. step up into some of these areas, especially these void areas, especially over what you think over christmas. what you think about views about that getting such gp views gbnews.uk i could gbnews.uk is the email i could tweet me at gb news. i'll see you in a couple of minutes.

where i was just aghast was they used brexit to scuttle some really cheap, far left political point using numerous you know, obviously left wing god like contextualising the time using the bbc as sort of contextualising the time using samantha, we had tom bower on earlier , who is obviously

earlier, who is obviously researched both sides of the story. and he's with you . he story. and he's with you. he thinks meghan is telling porky pies . but let's respond to what pies. but let's respond to what she said . step by step, sam. so she said. step by step, sam. so she's trying to make she said. step by step, sam. so begin to believe some of this stuff. why was he wrong to characterise the commonwealth as empire too? well, because i think many members , the think many members, the commonwealth are very supportive , you know, very grateful to in some ways being part of the empire and the links and the role families work

hello there. welcome back to with me. michelle dewberry writes is 7:00 this evening alongside with the firefighter and trade unionist, paul embery and trade unionist, paul embery and the former leader , ukip and the former leader, ukip henry bolton. now just before the break we were talking about the break we were talking about the two gents either side of me with, some strong opinions there and of you guys getting involved in the conversation at home. lauren says , michel, everybody lauren says, michel, everybody seems to so concerned about the people striking in their wages. but about all of the people affected by their action. he references businesses such as restaurants bars, etc. that have been absolutely during the covid ridiculous days. been absolutely during the covid ridiculous days . now, when ridiculous days. now, when you've got a situation where your customers cannot get to and from , what about those people? from, what about those people? what about their livelihoods? he asks. and i think is a very good question. i'm asking whether or not you are kind of still backing strikers. we discussed this last week . paul was here as

this last week. paul was here as well, actually , i've called to well, actually, i've called to say a van and says what i disagree with. michel what feels, in your words, you're like the country people are holding the country to ransom . holding the country to ransom. and i've got to say, this was the point i made last week, and i still feel week for me. i share the concerns, frustrations of people in low wages. i have all the sympathy and i found what's going on in incredibly sad but there is an edge to this now the cold asia and the coordinated nature determined, if you will, to and bring lots of society to a halt is something about that that makes very uncomfortable as a business woman. i understand i understand why they're picking the christmas period maximum impact . i get but i don't like . i get it. but i don't like stuart says no i do not support rail or post office strikers who has worked in the public sector will know that their salaries , will know that their salaries, enhanced by excellent terms and conditions , including things conditions, including things like pension is way above those . the private sector will to

says you should cycle the strikers and make them reapply for their jobs. it might make for theirjobs. it might make them think twice before steve saying that you do feel like this is a politically motivated situation and john you're a bit harsh say all public service workers should be banned from striking as a condition of employment . someone else is employment. someone else is saying . what about the army? why saying. what about the army? why are they always brought in? which leads me nicely to the two next questions i want to put to my briefly. i'm going to start the why should they be the army. why should they be expected ? step then expected? step up and then i want to move into why should it be people to strike be harder for people to strike so start with you, henry. you see border force now about six months been drafted months and look been drafted october gatwick october heathrow and gatwick etc. go on strike etc. border force go on strike should be? well two things should there be? well two things very briefly on border force , very briefly on border force, what people watching won't what most people watching won't know that border force are know is that border force are actually civil servants. they think probably as sort think of them probably as sort a form police officer on the form of police officer on the borders. they're not they civil servants. they part of the civil service structure. at

service pay structure. and at various within the civil various ranks within the civil within force, civil , within border force, civil, who've never done a border force job posted in and job before, are posted in and out, back into the sort of what would consider them sort of mainstream service posts again. so that's one thing to consider and think border force itself and i think border force itself needs serious reform in that respect because also has an operational impact . that aside, operational impact. that aside, yes, as you correctly said , your yes, as you correctly said, your introduction to the programme, the army busy training at the moment has been for a few weeks now to step in at certain border posts, including it's great that we can rely on our armed forces, but a private soldier in the army is earning about but a private soldier in the army is earning about £2,000 and is sometimes to work seven days a week over weekends, night and day , and can have anything day, and can have anything thrown at them. yes, they have a good life. they many things, but what we've got is we've young men and women who are paid very often a lot less than the staff. they're being thrown the front

line in situation that they will step up to the plate. i have no doubt i've commanded troops and i'm a soldier myself. at one point and i you know, i have tremendous respect them. and i believe the nation will always able to rely on them to keep the services going. but we shouldn't know. i mean, it's it should be in extremis. but what i see now is a government almost taking the position it doesn't matter too much what elsewhere, because we can always back on the armed forces . it feels that way to me forces. it feels that way to me i think it's wrong we've got the armed forces the army's being cut you know they are they're not living in good conditions at all you know, and their life prospects i mean, we've got the assault coming. no, soldiers can't strike. they're not they don't have a union. i they would i think they would want to be part of a union. no, i thought you said ranting about 20 to guarantee if could strike. i know that they cos playing devil's advocate if they could

do you think that they would this very hypothetical argument . some might some might and i suspect that's the same with rail workers or firefighters as some will go on strike because they're along with it some believe passionately in it and some are opposed to it. i'm sure it's it'll be the same with any workforce. i'm sure it would be the same in the armed forces. but if you put it to a vote in the armed forces. i am confident that they would not want to be part of a union and i don't think they and don't think they should be. and don't think they should be. and don't think police should be part think the police should be part of the union and because it can you imagine a situation where you imagine a situation where you mobilise to defend, you need to mobilise to defend, defend the says defend country and the army says no, doing that. no, sorry, we're not doing that. i no, sorry, we're not doing that. l , no, sorry, we're not doing that. i , that's that's where you i mean, that's that's where you start. you say, well, we want more we want more more money, we want more overtime. sorry, but that's not when military confronts when the military confronts hindrance rather than a help. no, no , no, no. the in armed no, no, no, no. the in armed forces with the role that the armed forces have and i also believe i was former police officer as well. i that the

police should the police federation which represents interests of the police but i that they these to and i'm sorry, paul, but i think it's the same with fire and rescue and i think it's same with the ambulance staff but they should not be to strike. however if the contract between the and those organisations those public services breaks down because , services breaks down because, the government is not providing support them in an appropriate way . then i think, you know , way. then i think, you know, contract is broken and you end up with the discussion we're having now. all i've got to say, i don't think firefighters should be able to strike. i think it's a public safety issue and. i do believe that there is and. i do believe that there is an industry's and all the rest of it sectors where it's just too dangerous . am i wrong? i too dangerous. am i wrong? i think you are because. then the question where, do you draw question is where, do you draw the line? because you could an argument to say that every pubuc argument to say that every public service is to a greater or lesser extent , essential. or lesser extent, essential. they're all essential services. i mean, some are classes

emergency services, but all services , whether it's the services, whether it's the health service, whether it's pubuc health service, whether it's public transport system , they're public transport system, they're all essential. they. so if you take the argument for can you say now, will you just do it for ? you know, say firefighters and police officers and the army , police officers and the army, then i think you then get into very slippery slope where essentially then you just encompass all public sector workers in that particular category. and you know, we probably know of some of the regime as in the past that banned strikes the public sector. there's certainly that mussolini did in italy in the north. but you've been on strike as a firefighter. so just as a firefighter. you so just help understand because help me understand because i look that and think it's so look at that and i think it's so help understand that and. so help me understand that and. so when decide to go on strike, when you decide to go on strike, how cover is there in your how much cover is there in your absence? make that if there absence? make sure that if there is a someone doesn't die. is a fire, someone doesn't die. well, fire and authority well, every fire and authority and there's around 50 in the uk, give take a, few is required give or take a, few is required by law to have a basic contingency service in place in the event that main service can't function. whether it's

through strike action, a pandemic or something like that. so in most and years ago it used to be the green goddess from the army that that would come in. now it's often private companies or they'll a few senior or they'll rely on a few senior officers to walk across picket lines a basic level lines so there is a basic level of service there. you know, of service there. but, you know, no pretending that no one's pretending that that level service anything level of service is anything like the service that's normally provided. but i would say, provided. but what i would say, michelle, underestimate michelle, is never underestimate estimate that the anguish that firefighters and other emergency workers who feel they have take this action, go through before they vote it. but then i see people on picket line never do it. like then i see people on picket lines, which i know it's not an major service. there was a it was the royal mail a second ago. they haven't looked like that. a time. they've got that. i'm of a time. they've got the they've their the drums they've got their instruments. don't sit instruments. they don't sit around, don't look anguished to me. that post workers, by me. i know that post workers, by the i a picket the way, but when i a picket work brother was there work and my brother was there today parliament square today in parliament square there's national there's a big national rally he's a postal worker, a member of the cw. and obviously that's not emergency not an emergency service,

although plainly although it is plainly an essential but don't essential service. but i don't blame for trying to make blame unions for trying to make it a big rally it having a big national rally and you're to galvanise and you're trying to galvanise solidarity and strength solidarity see and strength of feeling. don't you feeling. i don't think you should trying should blame unions for trying to it up in colour you to give it up in colour and you know think that's a good kind know i think that's a good kind atmosphere fair atmosphere i think that's fair enough that's a normal part of campaigning. i think that's. fair you fair enough. paul and i, you know, i do get i mean, again, presentation it be a bit presentation, it might be a bit difficult people whose difficult for people whose lives have to have been disrupted to see people the yeah, it people on the side. yeah, it does look a bit odd, but you know essentially what you know is difference. there is is a difference. there is something different that something quite different that people's stake people's lives can be at stake if railway isn't working if the railway isn't working somebody's to somebody's life unlikely to be put fisk somebody's life unlikely to be put risk the fire isn't put at risk if the fire isn't working, the ambulance service isn't , police aren't isn't working, police aren't working forces working or the armed forces aren't then think, aren't working. then i think, you we're talking a degree you know, we're talking a degree of there to the nation and of risk. there to the nation and to individuals that i think is unacceptable . does need looking unacceptable. does need looking at. but i do think that those people need proper robust representation . i've always said representation. i've always said that and i will stand the final words. paul that's the key. that's the key point, though,

isn't it? you agree, henry, and i accept that you believe that they do deserve proper and conditions, but the employer and the government isn't given it to them, what other option do they have through the union? taking action to fight it? that's the key point, isn't it? well, i shall leave you to ponder that key out paul lund's in key points out of paul lund's in the actually, i do need the break. actually, i do need to head to a break. i should have got 2 minutes. gosh, if i was that, i apologise was enjoying that, i apologise for you think for that. what do you think about whole army that about the whole army thing that henry touching on? do henry was just touching on? do you think it's right that the soldiers do drafted in? soldiers do get drafted in? quite it feels like to quite frankly, it feels like to any society's got the army any that society's got the army seems to be there it's to fix it. is that right there? when i come back from my break to ask you about cash , do you carry you about cash, do you carry money with you? what to rob you? i'm just intrigued because many places now a cash free everywhere restaurants, holiday parks, this is a lot like i claim credit . that picture that claim credit. that picture that itook claim credit. that picture that i took in a shopping centre other day we are cashless proudly say hang on minute that's legal tender in this

country you be able to refuse to take.i country you be able to refuse to take. i don't think so, do you? i'll say i? 2 minutes.

the bbc as sort of stereotype of all brexit voters being you know, bigoted and racist and xenophobic. and i think when 52% of us. exactly 70 and actually

it's a lot more than 52% of people that are worried about illegal immigration and. right, exactly. and especially for hello there. welcome back to with me michelle dewberry. right until 7:00 this evening. lots of you getting in contact about that striking situation. maggie michelle if the poorest on benefits in our society have to make do with a 10.1% rise, how could anyone , even with a could anyone, even with a straight face, think that it's more acceptable for them to demand more if they are not in that situation, especially considering terms and conditions like pensions i have to say on the flip side of this, so there are a lot of you that are still absolutely backing the strike because am running a twitter because i am running a twitter poll at gb news. give me your thoughts alongside paul thoughts that alongside paul embery and henry , keep me

embery and henry, keep me company to the end of show. right. let's talk cash we are you somebody that does still carry cash ? if so, have you carry cash? if so, have you noficed carry cash? if so, have you noticed that you're finding it harder and harder to spend these days ? i'll pick up with you days? i'll pick up with you first on this poll. what do you make of the fact that so many organisations seem to be proudly declaring after that picture earlier that they are cashless, they are cash free. i think it's worrying, actually. i there are still quite a few people in our society who do regularly use cash. you are probably not comfortable about carrying out every transaction digitally . i every transaction digitally. i think for example of elderly people, but i think you also to think of people such as people abusive or coercive relationships where they don't necessarily have access to the bank card and only are able to spend cash because they managed to get a few pounds week of the abusive partner , whatever. and abusive partner, whatever. and if those people can't spend it and don't have access to a bank

card, then obviously it's going to them in a very big way. i think there are other implications. think there are other implications . well, i mean, implications. well, i mean, there was a story recently about free speech union, which had its accounts down by paypal for no other reason . free speech union other reason. free speech union argued things and defended things that evidently people in the upper echelons of paypal like. so that was an ideological example of a financial company essentially making it impossible , a legitimate organisation function because it disagreed with its view on stuff. now eventually as we know that was that was overturned quite rightly because the free speech union fought back against it. but i do think that has serious implications that if we are entirely rely on digital and onune entirely rely on digital and online banking bank cards and whatever, then that potentially makes us much more of a conformist society . i think the conformist society. i think the other questions such as digital , for example, i think it opens the way for much more digital fraud in society . so i don't

fraud in society. so i don't like it. i think frankly the government should legislate to say becoming a cashless say that becoming a cashless business, whatever shouldn't be admitted. i completely agree. i think it should be refuse think it should be to refuse cash in this country. henry, where do you stand on that? you know, you're not going to get much an here, i'm afraid, much of an here, i'm afraid, because much agree with because i very much agree with what paul's just said. there are people in this society who are absolutely rely on cash. now, i think, you know, the way the world is such that we are in an evolution the way events should be some years now probably sadly cash will will will disappear but that's the future. and if the right safeguard is put in place, i think it's highly risky to go down that route. and what we've what i think we see from the photographs that you posted earlier and little ago, i was earlier and a little ago, i was in in london visiting some people about the ukraine war. but i was looking to take people a coffee. there was not one cafe down this street of about a cafes that was taking cash. i

was furious. so one less. that's it. i'm not buying coffee from you . and i think we've got to you. and i think we've got to stand up to because they trying to force the issue by saying we're not taking . i think that we're not taking. i think that thatis we're not taking. i think that that is unlawful for already. i'm not a lawyer but i think if it is legal what i have in my pocket in my wallet i've got a £10 you'll be able to legally not to accept cash kind of bar restaurant place a few months ago with with a friend and went to pay bill at the end with cash 100 quid he went spiked with cash. 100 quid he went spiked with cash . i didn't for some reason i cash. i didn't for some reason i didn't happen to have my bank card on me and this was after eating the meal and they said, oh, we don't take cash. there was nothing. so did you do? well, my friend was well, fortunately, my friend was my actually, was my cousin actually, who i was with had own bank and said, with had his own bank and said, look, you know, i'll and i gave him the money but in that situation, i think it's appalling and i want to just that if i was in that situation yeahi that if i was in that situation yeah i want to just said really

sorry i can't pay for my option. a lot of people that you a lot of people think that you know i keep getting accused know and i keep getting accused of privileged wealthy of being privileged and wealthy on so on far from on twitter and so on far from it. when i lost to just to run for the ukip leadership, i had to give up my job working for foreign office and they would not re—employ me. and i think there around that, there are issues around that, but that's a different conversation. but as a result when the leadership, when i lost the ukip leadership, i income, none. and my i had no income, none. and my life a whole left in life was in a whole left in a very difficult situation , a very difficult situation, a result i had for a couple of result all i had for a couple of months was some cash. that was it had nothing in the bank. i had cash and i couldn't spend it in many places and are lots of people out there who are in a similar situation well they don't have that access to bank accounts and they don't have the access to digital banking systems. michel really hope you read this. our iron several buyers and we take cash as a last resort. the problem is not the retailers, it's the banks that steve says they're charging rules for putting cash in the bank and. it takes time, etc.

the debit card rates are much better than the charge itself. that's the reason . but then, that's the reason. but then, steve, what i would say a counter that i get that it's counter to that i get that it's cheaper more convenient to you as retailer surely as a retailer, but surely you must think that you are potentially alienating a set of your consumers don't know. maybe it's the elderly or whatever age should he not be dealing with? should that back to should isn't that going back to paups should isn't that going back to paul's point the government paul's point, the government stepping in here and you stepping in here and saying you will cash it is another point as well, which i think we need to up on. there was a story in i think was yesterday a quarter of cash tills atm have closed in the last four years been taken out of operation and that will have a serious you use cash as well. yeah a few of you were saying actually if you access if you go somewhere and it says cash cash less you will cash sorry cash less you will take your business elsewhere where phil says michel, you should come to the isle of wight. he says shops there are saying cash. blimey, let's in the 1950s on the isle of wight. oh i think i'm amazing. look

what i'm saying. you i won't stand for that internet . i think stand for that internet. i think it's not a bad thing, right? well there you go. i'm going to a quick break. when i come back , want to know if someone has to come out and said, what i want to know is if you have dinner. and then they say the dogs cash and got your card on, and you've not got your card on, what what paul's what do you do? what paul's answer that he would get his mates the bill. mates to pay the bill. i wouldn't them after that time about the back washing dishes so i was right. i'm going to take a quick break when i come back i want to talk to you about the what should our relationship with them one of respect. so should they pay a little entrance fear? should my fear them even a little bit? i'll tell i'm asking it in tell you why i'm asking it in a couple of minutes . upon us, so that if somebody did speak to us , that we would have speak to us, that we would have no credibility . so it was an no credibility. so it was an interesting phenomenon and this vicious cycle of wanting to set

the record straight , wondering the record straight, wondering what was going on with her, wanting to give her the benefit of the doubt, and still, all the while feeling like we of the doubt, and still, all the role families work in the commonwealth. i i thought it was a very nasty dig at the queen. you know, they, they made various comments and then cut to pictures of her. you know, they, they just seem to have no sense. she could well have been alive when this programme came out. there seems

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry right through until

7:00 tonight. a few of you saying, michelle, you're wrong cash is legal tender and businesses cannot refuse legal tender ? i thought that too. but tender? i thought that too. but not the case. you can legally refuse to accept as long as you give people another mechanism , give people another mechanism, i.e. digital or debit cards or whatever, to be able to pay . so whatever, to be able to pay. so thatis whatever, to be able to pay. so that is the case actually that people can legally do this. my argument is you shouldn't be able to whether you need to change the laws to achieve, i don't know, but i think it's fundamentally wrong that if got cold hard cash in your pocket the place is well i would quite proudly these days refuse accept it anywhere alongside me until 7:00 tonight i've got the firefights and trade unionist paul embery , the former leader paul embery, the former leader of ukip bolton and also just been sad. i mean, you're a former police officer as well know this is interesting me because a story caught my eye ladies and gentlemen so it did this was in dorset, a ladies and gentlemen so it did this was in dorset , a dorset this was in dorset, a dorset place. i don't know if you've kids mine's a little bit too young for this, when it gets

young for this, but when it gets a little bit older, i'll definitely using line of definitely be using this line of warning that if he messes warning him that if he messes around you, moj, better around you, moj, you better watch yourself because policeman that you away. that might take you away. i think it's a wonderful i'll definitely be waiting it out but . dorset police had a mum . dorset police who had a mum say this to their child will not have to talk social media to ask to stop telling young kids the police can take them away . i police can take them away. i personally think it's quite ludicrous because there's an element of i mean, i know it's not politically correct, henry, but there's an of me that i do think actually. you should have a bit fear when you a little bit of fear when you see the police know i'm up see the police know i've i'm up to good perhaps a walks to no good perhaps and a walks around there is around the corner there is a part me that should think oh part of me that should think oh my i better behave, my god i better behave, i shouldn't be sitting there thinking . look them. look thinking. oh, look at them. look at going do and at what they're going to do and carry on. oh, god bless, my roll. oh, no, i agree entirely. i you know, i don't want i mean, you know, i don't want people fear police people to fear the police unless. i mean, the police service, ireland one service, northern ireland at one point me shirt on it point gave me a polo shirt on it said feared only by the guilty.

and i think that's if you're guilty of a crime fear, the police and if the police aren't create that atmosphere that environment, then they are failing . i think you should fear failing. i think you should fear police if you are guilty of a crime . you think people want to crime. you think people want to know? i don't think do. and i think there's a great deal to unpack. i mean, it's probably the whole programme about the break up of police and the respect for it. i mean in the break we were just talking how the police training have been disbanded by the conservative government and only did they get rid of 20,000 police officers which they recruiting now, but they also closed 600 police stations. they close close custody suites. you know, police are working from home and training on online, online training on online, online training modules. the whole thing is falling apart is no respect. now you know, when it comes to parents saying, look, if you're going to misbehave, if you're going to start kicking people's property or kicking that car , you know, as you walk

that car, you know, as you walk past it and a police officer sees going to take you sees you, he's going to take you away. think there's away. i don't think there's anything but anything wrong with that. but i think if you're listen, if think maybe if you're listen, if you don't go to sleep, i'm going to call the police. the police are going come and you in are going to come and put you in charge. think that's i charge. i think that's a lot? i think really character and as think really of character and as a police officer i'd be slightly irritate if got a call, irritate it if i got a call, somebody saying child somebody else saying my child won't will you take won't go to sleep. will you take him jail all the time. him to jail all the time. really, really be an idle threat? well, my kid wouldn't do stuff, so i'm going vehemently disagree with you, michel . let disagree with you, michel. let me say, by the way, let me preface my disagreement with you by saying that i completely accept and i've written how the police have adopted woke agenda over recent years to much of the woke dancing on pride parades and all of that kind of stuff. and i've been very critical of them for that sort of thing. but actually i do have sympathy with dorset this. i think dorset police on this. i think we should be saying kids just we should be saying to kids just because of course if they're breaking the then kids breaking the law then kids shouldn't. if parents are shouldn't. but if parents are saying to their kids, look,

you're do this , you're naughty, if you do this, then are going to then the police are going to take think take you away, then i think actually we're sowing the of the fundamental misunderstanding children's what children's minds about what police are actually for. and given that most kids may one day have to call on the police if they're in an emergency situation, if they've been taught believe the police are taught to believe the police are baddies, going baddies, they're going to take you then they you away. all right then they may reluctant to approach you away. all right then they may you're jctant to approach you away. all right then they may you're right. to approach you away. all right then they may you're right. you're roach you away. all right then they may you're right. you're yeah, you. you're right. you're yeah, i think i think you're right. no, i think you're right, paul, because what the police job is not to actually arrest people and charge them and put them forward for . prosecution, the forward for. prosecution, the police job is to preserve life property and that first and foremost . and that is why they foremost. and that is why they have that is why there are laws to give them powers to respond situations and sometimes because there are people in society who are hell bent on doing harm to life and property that they have powers of and detention. so but i do i do think that there is

another side to this which putting forward and the police need to reinforce this that they are capable of helping people of preserving life and property. they are there as protectors but they have powers to act. if you cross the line , strength is cross the line, strength is still in place. i mean, it's so the i probably wouldn't the service i probably wouldn't turn you think, turn up anyway. you would think, well, to with that i am well, i've got to with that i am monumentally outvoted. so i am everyone pretty much with me. fred says. when i was cop, fraser hates it. if i had kids scared of us, it's the last thing we want. louis i've got an 18 month old daughter and i would never be telling her if she's naughty the police will get don't want to be get her. i don't want to be afraid them. want go to afraid of them. i want to go to them. she's ever lost or help them. if she's ever lost or help , maggie says , michelle, what , maggie says, michelle, what you should be saying is if you i'll say the police are going to come and make you dance the macarena. i like that. i hear what you're saying there. but anyway. yeah, okay. on things, i'm got say that is one of i'm got to say that is one of them. next laurence fox

them. up next is laurence fox lawrence good evening . would you lawrence good evening. would you ever say that to your kids ? oh, ever say that to your kids? oh, good. you're in the common count with me, then. always oh, by the way, i saw right . i was way, i saw right. i was excitedly. i'm so my topic and i want desperately find someone agrees with me. i forgot to tell you i had a twitter poll running . i was asking you whether or not you support the strikers. get this more than three quarters of you say that you don't support them. henry and paul don't support them. henry and paul, that's all i've got time for. thank you very much, lawrence fox. sorry i got so excited. i prematurely went over to you . welcome back again. what to you. welcome back again. what have you got on your show tonight? thank you . don't tonight? thank you. don't apologise tonight . got the apologise tonight. got the latest twitter dump data dump , latest twitter dump data dump, too. we've got chris whitty wanting to stick his nose into a wood burner and the state democracy with ever floods brook i got it right now i'm very confused. what's my what can i go do with chris whitty the. final thing they find out they

want to this is why ladies and gentlemen, you literally cannot go anywhere. is 7:00 is friday nights . fox go anywhere. is 7:00 is friday nights. fox is up next. many people are right again the police situation about how you definitely laurence agrees with me so i'll take that but pretty much everyone out there all of the viewing public thing i've lost my marbles. i think when it comes to that one. got to be honest. many of you as well on the cash for that thing you're not about the cashless not happy about the cashless situation mentioned earlier on situation i mentioned earlier on you said you will definitely take your business elsewhere. i found liz my view at liz she says i totally with you tonight michelle the parents are right to get their kids respect the place. many kids do not respect the place . in fact, even their the place. in fact, even their elders . i the place. in fact, even their elders. i think you're right, liz, although i've got to say i've got to say these two chaps have made me ponder a little bit because. if you fear the place and you're a and something and you're a kid and something does go wrong when you want,

tend to the place. if i put the fear goodness i born to fear of goodness i was born to you you see the place you you and you see the place you going the opposite way going to run the opposite way you.so going to run the opposite way you. so maybe it might backfire after spend a weekend after all i spend a weekend thinking it, now thinking about it, but now that's got time for. i that's all i've got time for. i have a fantastic one. don't go anywhere, next and anywhere, lawrence. up next and i'll on monday. hello, i'll see you on monday. hello, it's mcgivern here from it's aidan mcgivern here from the office. stays cold into the met office. stays cold into the met office. stays cold into the weekend . ice, snow and fog the weekend. ice, snow and fog for some, but for many others , for some, but for many others, clear skies by night and crisp winter, sunshine by day . we've winter, sunshine by day. we've still got cold air in place across the uk and we still low pressure in the north sea helping to maintain some showers . but it's mainly windward coast where see those showers? so that means that for night it's northern scotland in spots. northern ireland, western and wales the showers coastal level will be spray and sleet, perhaps some hail. but and with any elevation falling snow covering for snow day only if for example for snow day only if for example for high parts of cumbria and certainly a lot of snow building up for northern now parts of the

northern where we see some clear spells overnight could dip to as low as minus ten or lower and for much of the uk so widespread frost and some freezing fog patches to wake up to as well. that fog will be slow to clear poor visibility and, 1 to 2 spots continuing into the afternoon. also there's icy to watch out for early saturday in the west and the north. a cold day to come for all of us 1 to 3 celsius typically and below freezing where we've got the fog persisting and where we've got any higher parts now into saturday nights the fog and the frost will widely and so another very cold night there'll be increased risk of some showers feeding into southeast scotland parts of covering inland here some significa snow over the hills and certainly in the north and the west that continues be that risk of icy patches as we of sunday it's dense freezing fog patches especially for southern and central parts of uk. most of these will disperse

by the afternoon, but some will continue and then a signal for some more signify snow perhaps to affect southeast england. some uncertainty about that of the forecast. but it comes off of course, it could bring some significant disruption disruption . significant disruption exactly. and especially for me, i also come from a mixed background. meghan and i supported brexit and actually do believe in controlling our borders. it's all sort of an excuse that seeks to absolve meghan and harry from any sort of responsibility. and like you said, i think of responsibility. and like you while feeling like we were defending ourselves against things that weren't real in the

media and always out there. so it's not like we were out by nine to yeah, it was very what so horrible about what she's donein so horrible about what she's done in this tv show there seems to be no sense of any decorum at all about the way they behaved and you were an

esteemed historian and royal biographer. and i just wonder whether this couple in a cheap us documentary are trying to rewrite british history . this rewrite british history. this isn't in a very partisan way. we know that but although it's friday, rejoice . i know i am coming up rejoice. i know i am coming up on tonight's show. rejoice. i know i am coming up on tonight's show . despite the on tonight's show. despite the cost of heating your home, despite chris whitty telling you , put in your old love badness and invest in you, what will he be paying them? yes, the nation's health is of course important, but should we have a choice in how we eat our homes. surely whitty then , we