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standing down. of course, standing down. plus, of course, we plenty of questions we have plenty of questions for my studio audience, my wonderful studio audience, but studio guest this but my studio guest this evening, my wonderful comedian panellists are kearse and panellists, are leo kearse and frances foster . how panellists, are leo kearse and frances foster. how are you there? yeah, i'm good , thanks. there? yeah, i'm good, thanks. haven't you just been gigging with frances at some point? yeah we're doing some gigs in leicester in stafford on the 20th and 21st of december, and i think there are still some tickets left. frances, there are a few plugs in right away. absolutely, yeah. see? come and see me and leo in leicester and stafford. yes so it's going to be very good. leo's headlining the first half, which he can't wait to do. he said only the first half. yeah so it does technically count as headlining frances a huge mistake frances has made a huge mistake of trying to follow me. yeah, that a stand comedy. of trying to follow me. yeah, that a stand comedy . yeah. that is a stand up comedy. yeah. so what's going to happen? this is only times we're is the only two times we're going do it, because by the going to do it, because by the end we're going to end of it, we're going to hate each other. so you need to come and watch it, never to go and check that show i haven't check out that show i haven't

seen. be terrible, but seen. it might be terrible, but you you should support. you know, you should support. anyway, want get some anyway, i want to get some questions audience. questions from the audience. i've question i've got a question now from jilly. is jilly? hi jilly. where is jilly? yes. hi jilly. where is jilly? yes. hi jilly. is it wrong to is it wrong to tell your children the police will take them away if they misbehave? of you they misbehave? so some of you will heard about will have heard about this story. week because story. this week because there was bournemouth was a place in bournemouth overheard parents were overheard some parents who were telling their misbehaving children, are going children, the police are going to come and take you away if you behave like that. and a behave like that. and then a police spokesperson put on social don't want social media. we don't want parents doing don't don't social media. we don't want parethe doing don't don't social media. we don't want parethe police don't don't social media. we don't want parethe police in don't don't social media. we don't want parethe police in this»n't don't use the police in this way. don't joke. we're going to take the away. is the children away. but this is this a joke. i mean, this is a typical joke. i mean, when i was a kid, it was going to be the bogeyman or satan or something it was something like that. it was going come get you. you going to come and get you. you had pretty hardcore police had a pretty hardcore police force. well, i still to force. well, i still seem to know what did. i'm coming. know what i did. i'm coming. i had a catholic and had a catholic family, and i went to a convent school to show pictures of children burning and flames say that will happen to you, right? was some you, right? right. it was some sort of ice's punishment. i mean, children that were mean, the children that were there mild comparison, there was mild in comparison, i think. and what you of think. and what do you make of this, do think? i mean, this

this, do you think? i mean, this is just joke, isn't it? oh, is just a joke, isn't it? oh, this i mean, this is police this is i mean, this is police being ridiculous. i mean, like, nobody's actually going to enforce the contract of the police taking year old police taking a six year old child it's just something child away. it's just something you a child. usually you tail a child. and usually the police, if they've got any gumption, going gumption, if they're going to sense fun and sense of sense of fun and a sense of sense of fun and a sense of, you know, breathing good and six good moral character. and a six year old, they'll go along with them, yeah, if them, be like, yeah, yeah. if you don't tidy you if you if you don't tidy your room, we are going to we are going to you away. but are going to take you away. but instead, everything's are going to take you away. but insteato everything's are going to take you away. but insteato be everything's are going to take you away. but insteato be nambyerything's are going to take you away. but insteato be namby pamby's going to be namby pamby and absolutely literal. and like, obviously, to obviously, they don't want to actually do any work there. the real proper paperwork to do real the proper paperwork to do from old to from tailing a six year old to tidy room. so don't tidy the room. so they don't want that. mean, is it want to do that. i mean, is it francis is it exploiting francis i mean, is it exploiting the misusing the police, you know, misusing their honest with their role? i'll be honest with you. i think it's something the police and giving children and i'm realistic expectation of what do. what the police actually do. yes. going to yes. because i know going to take the worse is take them away. the worse is going happen police going to happen is the police person is going to come around, give a reference give him a crime reference number. they're give him a crime reference numbito they're give him a crime reference numbito be they're give him a crime reference numbito be able they're give him a crime reference numbito be able to they're give him a crime reference numbito be able to report|ey're give him a crime reference numbito be able to report itr're going to be able to report it for insurance policies. exactly. that never be brought that child will never be brought to problem. that child will never be brought to trust problem. that child will never be brought to trust me, problem. that child will never be brought

to trust me, as problem. that child will never be brought to trust me, as former.em. and trust me, as a former teacher, were lot of teacher, there were a lot of children, andrew, that need to teacher, there were a lot of chi brought1drew, that need to teacher, there were a lot of chi brought to ew, that need to teacher, there were a lot of chi brought to justice. need to teacher, there were a lot of chi brought to justice. yeah, to be brought to justice. yeah, i totally agree. think locking totally agree. i think locking them the way them up is probably the way forward. we'll move on forward. anyway, we'll move on now to another question. this one barry one is from barry. was barry i barry? wondered if barry? yes, i just wondered if you were worried about the future comedy at all future of comedy on bbc at all at two comedy at the at the bbc two comedy at the moment okay. moment i didn't. well, okay. well, oh, i mean, give me well, i me. oh, i mean, give me a break. this ofcom have a break. so this is ofcom have now that the genre of now said that the genre of comedy at risk and comedy on the bbc is at risk and this is the fourth year that they've said that it is at risk. frances not frances is it at risk? it's not a risk because something can't be risk if it's dead. yeah be at risk if it's dead. yeah yeah. happened, though? yeah. what happened, though? because honest. because i mean, let's be honest. you was that you remember when that was that they all they were talking about all the comedy, comedies that comedy, the great comedies that the bbc have produced over the last and someone produced the bbc have produced over the lélist and someone produced the bbc have produced over the lélist online, d someone produced the bbc have produced over the lélist online, but»meone produced the bbc have produced over the lélist online, but they1e produced the bbc have produced over the lélist online, but they alliroduced a list online, but they all dated from the nineties the dated from the nineties or the 80. nothing really in 80. there was nothing really in this millennium we had the bbc that people really value. well, this problem. the problem this is the problem. the problem is the bbc is the so is within the bbc is the so terror side of having people complain of not being to be complain of not being seen to be progressive or whatever word you want to use that the problem is

that the majority of comedy there needs to be a bit of a joke is why the joke is called a punchline. you need to be punching at something, but if you're to make comedy you're trying to make comedy that kind that is perpetually kind and doesn't people, what are doesn't offend people, what are you create? it's you going to create? it's something completely toothless, anodyne blunt. mean, anodyne and blunt. i mean, we say we know who say this. we all know people who do bbc comedy shows, do appear on bbc comedy shows, and them. we and we do hate them. yes, we only them. it sounds only hate them. it sounds resentful, doesn't it? yeah. doesn't it's not really doesn't mean it's not really what this is about. we're just jealous. jealous . what this is about. we're just jealous. jealous. i'd jealous. yeah, i'm jealous. i'd love live with it. paula love to do live with it. paula i'll. i'll never get on it because. because one. because. because just one. i mean, the thing bbc comedy mean, the thing about bbc comedy is people to fit is they pick people to fit certain demographics because they want to show diversity, but they want to show diversity, but they don't diversity they don't show diversity opinion. they're opinion. and because they're just picking people based on demographics, they're not picking funniest people. picking the funniest people. there's, insanely there's, you know, the insanely funny don't get funny people who don't get picked though would picked, even though they would fit demographic also, they fit that demographic. also, they are insanely biased and unrepresentative conservative. they've got a state mandate to be representative of the population . and 98% they did a population. and 98% they did a study of a bbc comedians who have a political bias.

study of a bbc comedians who have a political bias . 98% of have a political bias. 98% of them were left wing and 2% of them were left wing and 2% of them were. jeff northcott so yeah, this is ridiculous . and yeah, this is ridiculous. and also they openly propagate re ideology, which is just insane to me. i was watching my wife was watching this, this dumb show for women called a love life . and the two black life. and the two black characters texting each other saying like, oh, do you ever just google ugly white babies ? just google ugly white babies? and they're sharing pictures of white babies saying, oh , that white babies saying, oh, that baby so ugly, it's going to vote for trump. and can you imagine that was reversed and it was me in france is tweeting. tweeting about blind babies. we'd be in jails . be about blind babies. we'd be in jails. be fair. about blind babies. we'd be in jails . be fair. what you just jails. be fair. what you just said sounds quite funny to me, but maybe it's just the way you do it. but, leo, you know that there's because, there's a problem here because, like, we both like, for instance, what we both know, both part of know, we were both part of a pilot for a radio four comedy show. yeah. and they show. yeah. and when they announced involved announced that we were involved , lots went online, said , lots of we went online, said they to up they were going to turn up protest our horns to make protest with our horns to make sure that no. and they would block book tickets and then not turn so that it didn't work. turn up so that it didn't work. i the end they got

i think in the end they got rid of and i think 45 of 800 tickets and i think 45 people showed up. yeah. people showed up. so yeah. so why people angry about why are people so angry about comedy don't like? and comedy that they don't like? and the worst thing is for bbc shows, you can't for the shows, you can't charge for the tickets . i wouldn't mind shows, you can't charge for the tickets. i wouldn't mind . shows, you can't charge for the tickets . i wouldn't mind . 800 tickets. so i wouldn't mind. 800 people tickets if people like booking tickets if they all paid a tenner. yeah yeah, be great. but. but yeah, that'd be great. but. but yeah, that'd be great. but. but yeah, they weren't and they were, angry about were, they were angry about something that didn't even exist. i mean, created. exist. yeah i mean, created. yeah. so how can the, how can they judge it, how can they prejudge it? prejudging sounds a bit like prejudice to me. does rather. thank you there for that lesson. move on lesson. we're going to move on now question. this now to another question. this one do we have one from keith. do we have a keith? me. hi keith. keith? that's me. hi keith. hello. question. i can't believe i'm going to ask this question that such a thing that is a really such a thing about small man syndrome. oh yeah. well, you know what? we've all i have to be honest, some of the most angry people i've ever worked with been worked with have been very short. right. started to short. right. and i started to think, might be think, well, there might be some sort correlation now. sort a correlation here and now. scientists study and scientists have done a study and they've interviewed adults they've interviewed 367 adults in america , and they've realised in america, and they've realised that real thing. so the that it is a real thing. so the study says that smaller people

can quote can compensate with, quote antagonistic behaviour . now can compensate with, quote antagonistic behaviour. now this shouldn't surprise anyone, shouldn't surprise anyone, should it? no no, absolutely not. all dealt with short not. we've all dealt with short men. they're all highly unpleasant and think they know. no, i saw you in my sweeping generalisations, but let's be fair. no one cares about short men , so i'm going to be fine. men, so i'm going to be fine. and most importantly, untrue. they're when cornered . they're vicious when cornered. yes. are . why? you've yes. yes, they are. why? you've been fighting sean hannity. well, you know, because you can win those. exactly. because i'm a coward , like most people a coward, like most people wouldn't understand. but i mean , i you know, if you're , i get it. you know, if you're if shorter and, you if you're a shorter man and, you know , other boys up quicker know, other boys grow up quicker than you feel left than you and you feel left behind, feel like out behind, you feel like a run out that you feel like you've got to compensate for the of compensate for the lack of height that nobody height and the fact that nobody will to with will ever want to sleep with you by, know, aggressive by, you know, being aggressive and angry. i feel like a short man trapped in a tall man's man trapped in a very tall man's body. be honest. so do body. yeah, to be honest. so do you problem? you have the opposite problem? you're about your you're too placid about your issues. yeah, that's my problem . we are going to move on. if we've got another question. do

we've got another question. do we have another question? i think we do. this one's from, uh, final question from sil, the niece. that mean? niece. what does that mean? sylvia and sylvia and someone wrote sylvia niece on the altar . i mean, that's so offensive to you. i apologise on behalf of the humble liveable anyway. yes, my question is , do you think my question is, do you think we're about to find out the truth about the jfk assassination ? you know, i'm assassination? you know, i'm very excited about this because now for years and years , all of now for years and years, all of those files, you know, the secret fbi files or cia, one of the one of the other has been locked away in there in terms of the assassination of president john kennedy, of course, john f kennedy, which of course, is remember when is 1963. and you remember when you saw oliver stone film you saw the oliver stone film jfk, which is a brilliant film, although it's one of my favourites. garrison, favourites. and when garrison, played costner at the played by kevin costner at the end of that film, he he's end of that film, he says he's got he's going to make got a son. he's going to make sure his son healthy and sure his son is healthy and strong lives a long life so strong and lives a long life so that he will be alive when they release the final documents to either his either prove or disprove his theory meant theory and they were meant to release a while ago

release them quite a while ago and didn't. and that and they just didn't. and that made everyone a little bit suspicious. think then suspicious. i think by then released like a few. yeah. which makes everyone think, well, what's now what's going on here? but now they're going to release tens of thousands files. well, thousands of secret files. well, are i'm excited are you excited? oh, i'm excited because i went into the pandemic believing every conspiracy theory and every conspiracy theories was a crackpot. right. ihave theories was a crackpot. right. i have come out of it believing every conspiracy theory, believing that they're lying to us perpetually in every single one. yes. so i'm looking forward to finding out why the martians did it. well, this is it, though. i mean, obviously, there's all the theories in the oliver stone film about cuba and about the mafia and about collusion with the fbi in africa and the idea that, you know, lee harvey oswald wasn't working alone because he couldn't possibly shot him in possibly have shot him in the way he shot. do you buy way that he shot. and do you buy any i what are any of that? i mean, what are you yeah, mean, it you thinking? yeah, i mean, it conflicts because conflicts for me because apparently so far away, the curvature the earth would curvature of the earth would have bullet. and of have taken the bullet. and of course so i say that course there flat. so i say that wouldn't happen but yeah i mean the thing is this is like

the thing is this is people like francis's starting to francis's people are starting to re—examine conspiracy re—examine some conspiracy theories they thought were were theories they thought were were the arctic in the past. they've taken so to long release the files and apparently is going to reveal collusion between lee harvey cia . harvey oswald and the cia. that's that's that's been a leak to something that's going to be in documents. who in these documents. so yeah, who knows? you know, do we knows? and then, you know, do we find epstein? we find out about epstein? do we find out about epstein? do we find out about the people linked to the clintons who died? do we find bitcoin find all these bitcoin billionaires dying ? i billionaires who are dying? i mean, and mean, it's fascinating. and it could something could be something really, really be really shocking. could be something anticipate, something we didn't anticipate, could or could be bette midler or something like that. i don't know. it could be anyone. well, i the thing is that i think the thing is, is that more and leo was more and more, like leo was saying, have lost trust in saying, we have lost trust in our elites. have trust our elites. we have lost trust in our governments. and i think what i it's what we need and i think it's actually quite a good move by american government actually american government is actually to and to show greater transparency and 90, to show greater transparency and go, the truth. i go, look, this is the truth. i mean, going believe mean, no one's going to believe them. the other them. well, that's the other thing. fbi collusion, thing. if it was fbi collusion, would have just destroyed would they have just destroyed them by when those them by now? well, when those documents gone, i mean, documents be long gone, i mean, that's do. we play, but that's what i do. we play, but everyone's dead. who was involved so why?

involved in it? yeah. so why? why not release it now why not? why not release it now 7 why not? why not release it now ? stuff. ? well, brilliant stuff. i really . and then we can get really. and then we can get a sequel. jfk and oliver stone can make another brilliant film. anyway, here go. another anyway, here we go. another question one is from question now. this one is from ad. right, hello. ad. is that right, eddie? hello. i that correctly . i pronounce that correctly. that's okay what's that's wonderful. okay what's the arts council boss? right to criticise his own staff. okay so this is an interesting story. so the head of the council, the head of the arts council, who's henley , spoke to who's darren henley, spoke to his staff because apparently staff of the arts council had said that lgb alliance, they described them as being anti trans, which is a very common smear against lgb alliance, no actual evidence for that. it's just one of those smears that people are too lazy look into people are too lazy to look into it go along with it and just go along with the heard repeat again and again and again. and this the lgb again. so and this the lgb alliance had been given a particular grant and then this was withdrawn from them because arts council england had been thrown these smears around. i think used the phrase think they used the phrase cultural glorified cultural parasites and glorified hate , which is really hate group, which is really bizarre. i mean, i've interviewed two heads lgb interviewed the two heads of lgb alliance, and it's alliance, kate and bev. it's really nice activists who've done a for gay rights over

done a lot for gay rights over the and it's so weird the years, and it's so weird when narrative takes hold that when a narrative takes hold that is palpably false and it's just repeated all sorts of people repeated by all sorts of people in even in the mainstream media, even the so should they the arts council. so should they be they ? arts be reprimanded? will they? arts council should have been council staff should have been reprimanded it's ridiculous reprimanded. it's ridiculous that alliance are that the lgb alliance are bringing the focus back onto lesbian and bisexual lesbian and gay and bisexual people. who's whose rights are threatened by. i mean, at the moment, you know, in schools, kids told if they kids are being told if they display displays display any of a boy, displays any femininity , it's oh, any femininity, it's like, oh, you trans and then, you you must be trans and then, you know, on this conveyor belt know, put on this conveyor belt to you could to transitioning when you could be a child instead of instead of trans. so there's obvious issues. there's an obvious reason. valid reason for the lgb alliance to exist to represent those communities that have been marginalised. let's not forget for, for a long time and yet for, for a long time and yet for, for a long time and yet for, for the artist. and he's laughingly asked this all should just be scrap the whole existence of arts council existence of the arts council means the artists aren't free if you're dependent on on handouts from a state, a state governing body, it means you've got to

provide a message that the state approves of. yes. and certainly the arts council shouldn't be politicised in this way. i mean, that's obviously a political statement always that's obviously a political statento it always that's obviously a political statento be always that's obviously a political statento be politicised. always that's obviously a political statento be politicised. it's/ays going to be politicised. it's like like the bbc, you're like it's like the bbc, you're never going to have some, you know, wall that know, chinese wall that separates them from the government, should government, but they should at least they, to least strive, should they, to be impartial, they should at least show impartial. but the show up to be impartial. but the problem that when problem is, is that when you have a of people who are have a group of people who are so of morality so convinced of the morality thinking do thinking that what they do is the correct then of the correct thing, then of course they're going to they're going this fashion, going to behave in this fashion, particularly when things become so they at so politicised as they have at the which also the moment, which we've also seen from the twitter files which released this which are being released this winter, talking winter, which i'll be talking about but anyway, winter, which i'll be talking aboutthe but anyway, winter, which i'll be talking aboutthe break but anyway, winter, which i'll be talking aboutthe break ont anyway, winter, which i'll be talking aboutthe break ont anyspeech after the break on free speech nation, author williams nation, the author and williams will to tell us about will be here to tell us about the extraordinary the the extraordinary extent of the surveillance apparatus used by the state in china. so in a minute .

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle , nation with me, andrew doyle, former channel 4 foreign correspondent ian williams rotates sunday times article last week in which he laid out the shocking extent of the surveillance state that underpins president xi jinping's regime. according to an analysis by a security firm. china has 540 million security cameras, which is more than any other country in the world and more than one for every three people. perhaps even more , the cameras perhaps even more, the cameras are becoming more smart and people can be recognised via facial recognition and software. and even by the way, they walk . and even by the way, they walk. so in williams joins me now thanks for joining me so in williams joins me now thanks forjoining me and so i want to start because i read your article in the sunday times. i thought it was fascinating and very, very frightening. and you actually draw lot of parallels between draw a lot of parallels between what's happening china and what's happening in china and orwell's novel 1994. and although that is a common trope , it really is. you have sound

grounds for doing so. don't you? well, you look at 1984 and big brother and, the sort of thing that we're seeing in china orwell could only have dreamed about big brother. the telly screen , which figures quite screen, which figures quite prominently in that book, is a two way system. so you can be watched. but one of the remarks thatis watched. but one of the remarks that is made by the protagonist in this, in that book is, well, at least they don't know what we're thinking. but increasingly in china, they do . and you've in china, they do. and you've got this system of multiple aspects, whether it's the cameras , the tracking through cameras, the tracking through your device is eavesdropping on your device is eavesdropping on your social media. they know there's very few places to hide these days in china . it's quite these days in china. it's quite chilling. and this is what underpins xi jinping's rule. and of course, when it came to the stasi in east germany, in east berlin, it was very different, wasn't it? because you had, as you say in your article, an army of i think it was of informants. i think it was only 2% male only like 2% of the male population, 16 and 60, something like they did fall

like that. but they did fall apart have the apart. they didn't have the digital technology that have digital technology that we have now. is a digital now. so this is really a digital war being fought, isn't war that's being fought, isn't it? is. and it's remarkable it? it is. and it's remarkable because the was as because the was regarded as state of the art at the time. and if you go now to, say, the stasi museum in berlin and you see cameras hidden in see the cameras hidden in watering cans. yes or in lapel badges, primitive , right. it's badges, primitive, right. it's incredible. but that was regarded as state of the art. but you're right, this is a digital totalitarian and state. this depends on the collection of vast amounts of data looking for patterns in that data. and of course, this has been perfected during the covid pandemic , because this has given pandemic, because this has given the state licence to we allowed numerous of these technologies . numerous of these technologies. previously, we saw them mainly in xinjiang, in the province in the far west of china, where there's this horrific crackdown . the native weavers, which has been likened to genocide. yes, but under the guise of a health emergency . they have intensified emergency. they have intensified it and wheeled out these these

systems right across china. so what is your view that the chinese government has actually exploited the pandemic in order to its goal , a exploited the pandemic in order to its goal, a kind of to reach its goal, a kind of totalitarian dystopia ? i think totalitarian dystopia? i think they have and it's been very easy for them to sell it as such, because, of course, when you've got a crisis, i mean, we saw it here to extent. yes. saw it here to some extent. yes. people accept things when you've got a health crisis which normally you might question. and of course, crucial to the way they're policing the covid cnses they're policing the covid crises been these apps which everybody has to carry on their phones. it's called the traffic light app. it crunches enormous amounts of data about your health, your movements , your health, your movements, your interactions, and it gives you a light , whether it's red, yellow light, whether it's red, yellow or green . and if of course, if or green. and if of course, if it's red, that squadron and if it's red, that squadron and if it's green, you're allowed to move around. and these are everywhere in taxis, in restaurants , entrances. and restaurants, entrances. and people don't know too much about this for a variety of reasons, one of which, of course, is that china so guarded how

china is so guarded about how much world gets to much the outside world gets to know about it. you've written a book, though. book you book, though. so the book you wrote was named after wrote about this was named after police that's police song, i believe. that's right. you take was right. every breath you take was inspired by sting. yes. and in fact, it's an interesting song because every breath you take, every move you make. yes. and i thought it was the best possible way of describing what was being built in china and of course, sting himself . shortly after the sting himself. shortly after the song came out gave an interview in which he said , it's a nasty in which he said, it's a nasty little song. it's about surveil andifs little song. it's about surveil and it's about control. i think it's about a car or something. well, that was one of the people speculated about whether it was a stalker or whether it was anything do with his marriage anything to do with his marriage . yes. think he was . yes. but i think he was worried because this song suddenly became a hit at weddings , you know, and which is weddings, you know, and which is when you think about it now, it's creepy. yeah. so one of the things that you mentioned is aboutin things that you mentioned is about in your article is about that china has developed emotion recognition software , so they're recognition software, so they're able to hone in with their

digital technology and surveillance cameras and kind of detect what people are feeling. is that right? because that's that's really wearing into the realms of thought crime. is and in fact, it's , you know, think in fact, it's, you know, think minority report from cruise and trying to anticipate crime or anticipate dissent by by the way people look . yes. it was rolled people look. yes. it was rolled out in some schools in china where kids monitored for different express asians. yes, that's very scary that that could easily be exploited , of could easily be exploited, of course. but the very fact that it exists suggests that that, you know, there's the possibility of criminalising someone they someone for something that they perceive have. yes. perceive that they have. yes. and the one of the companies that was developing this software was boasting that it detect about 50 different expressions . yes. even before expressions. yes. even before the brain really , that it was the brain really, that it was making the majority . it's really making the majority. it's really quite, quite scary. and the company which was developing this was using a scene out of mission impossible rogue nation. yes. when benji , simon pegg was yes. when benji, simon pegg was trying to get into a power

station, you may recall it and he was being warned that all the systems can recognise the way you walk, the way you look . yes. you walk, the way you look. yes. your emotions and you never get in. yeah. and this chinese company , i'm sure they asked company, i'm sure they asked permission where we're using this extract from the movie in order to try and promote their software. so to what extent is this social credit system that we hear about in china? a really t it's becoming a reality . there t it's becoming a reality. there were several or numerous pilot schemes across china which effectively looked at everything you did online and in your and social media and then gave you a rating based upon that. now they likened it to a credit score, but it's a loyalty score. loyalty to the regime effective? it is because this is the way the regime sees it. and they want to they want to turn this into a national system. yes. well, you can be berated by your loyalty to the party, by your loyalty to the party, by your loyalty to the country, and then , of course, you can have things

withdrawn , your travel rights , withdrawn, your travel rights, your ability to meet meet people, your ability to get loans. so people understand at home, just to be clear, when you have this social credit system, it means you will affect how much you're able to spend, what you're able to where you're you're able to buy, where you're able and of that is able to go. and all of that is dependent ideological dependent on your ideological fealty that's fealty to the regime. that's right. multiple right. so there are multiple ways you ways of punishing you or constraining behaviour in constraining your behaviour in order to try and persuade you to conform and not to not to deviate and the regime clearly sees this as something that it can integrate . don't forget, can integrate. don't forget, with all this other data we're seeing collected from the cameras . yes. tracking devices , cameras. yes. tracking devices, they're investing a lot of money in artificial intelligence as a way of crunching this data and bringing it all together. you also mentioned that they have an awful lot of people who are dedicated monitoring dedicated to monitoring internet, deleting websites and forums, even entering chat rooms to try and steer conversations in certain ways. how many was it you said? 2 million. 2 million.

and it's one estimate. agents of the state. yet number of people who dubbed as internet who are dubbed as internet police very you know, the police is a very you know, the algorithms are there , but it's algorithms are there, but it's also quite labour intensive. and also quite labour intensive. and a lot of these people work for the companies and job the internet companies and job is not only to censor by looking for blocking sites , blocking for blocking sites, blocking keywords , and the keyword index keywords, and the keyword index will change according to what's going on it at any one time. but they will also join conversations . it's become more conversations. it's become more subtle, more clever , if you subtle, more clever, if you like. and they join conversations in order to steer those conversations away from contentious areas. that's incredible . and to what extent incredible. and to what extent have they had , you know, have they had, you know, companies such as apple , western companies such as apple, western companies such as apple, western companies supporting regime in this? i think that's one of the most scandalous things in this, is that western company is, in my opinion, have been complicit in the development of the surveillance state. i've been particularly critical of apple because apple tends to say here

we are, we believe in privacy . we are, we believe in privacy. privacy is a human right. but that sentiment tends to stop at the chinese border . yes. and the chinese border. yes. and they've been criticised of colluding with the communist party by removing apps from the local app store by storing data locally. but of course they would say they have to abide by the law. yeah, that is always the law. yeah, that is always the way that they retort, but they have to abide by the law in any country in which they're operating in. yes. and of course, recently they've been that the new china update of the iowa system for iphone , there's iowa system for iphone, there's limited airdrop. yes an airdrop is a device for its near range communication and protesters have been using this to exchange information and files because it's safer , because you keep off it's safer, because you keep off the cell cell network and the wi—fi network and apple has argued, well, this is going to be rolled out universally because we think there's just too many files being exchanged. but they face a lot of criticism for this. but yes, apple would

retort but retort and has replied, but we're only conforming to the laws of the countries we operate in. well, and williams, i could talk you about this all talk to you about this all night. fascinating talk to you about this all night. i fascinating talk to you about this all night.i should fascinating talk to you about this all night.i should point cinating talk to you about this all night.i should point outting talk to you about this all night.i should point out that topic. i should point out that your new book is called fire your new book is called the fire of dragon. this is out right now. yes. and this is a you touch issues in this as touch on these issues in this as well. that builds well. yes. yeah and that builds upon and it upon the first book and it really poses a question. do really poses a question. how do you describe the relationship with china? see government with china? you see government at the moment tying itself in knots about how to do that . knots about how to do that. systemic systemic systemic rivalry, systemic competition. what does that mean? mean , i think it is by mean? i mean, i think it is by all intents and purposes, already a cold war. and certainly that's the way china looks williams, looks at it. and williams, thanks very for joining me thanks very much for joining me today. thanks very much for joining me today . and after the break, i'm today. and after the break, i'm free speech nation. does the uk need a written constitution ? need a written constitution? barista austin morgan thinks we do and he'll be here to tell us why .

and . welcome back to free speech and. welcome back to free speech nation. so later in the show , as nation. so later in the show, as usual, i'm going to be turning. agony. uncle with the help of my wonderful panel. leo kearse and frances foster. going to frances foster. we're going to help you to deal with your unfiltered dilemmas. but of course, depends you course, it all depends on you sending problems. so why course, it all depends on you senjust problems. so why course, it all depends on you senjust email problems. so why course, it all depends on you senjust email usiroblems. so why course, it all depends on you senjust email us at)lems. so why not just email us at gbviews@gbnews.uk and we will gbviews@gbnews.uk and we will try gbviews@gbnews.uk and we will try to answer your problems . try to answer your problems. unlike the united states and most other countries, we in britain have an unqualified constitution , which means many constitution, which means many fundamental rules are often customs precedents and a variety of other legal instruments . in of other legal instruments. in other words, it is unwritten . other words, it is unwritten. nothing is concrete. and critics say it can. sometimes it seems barrister austin morgan has a book coming out called pretence , where he argues we need a written constitution. and austin joins me now. welcome to the show , austin . i want to start by show, austin. i want to start by talking a little bit about

brexit, because i think during the whole brexit affair , when the whole brexit affair, when you had john bercow in the house of commons and people were suggesting that what we had was an activist speaker who was interpreting the constitution in the wanted it be, the way that he wanted it to be, rather it was. people rather than how it was. people have to realise that have started to realise that there flaws in not having there are flaws in not having there are flaws in not having the thing written to down what extent was that case ? well, extent was that the case? well, it that led me to it was brexit that led me to think about the problem and to write the book, which i did dunng write the book, which i did during the lockdown. but i was not an advocate of a written constitution before 2016. since then, it's theresa may and boris johnson, who've been blamed for not calling a second referendum that, say, predominance of the other view. my view is parliament got some things badly wrong . it never unseated the wrong. it never unseated the government even though it lost confidence . and i am ashamed to confidence. and i am ashamed to say the judges got something wrong . the second millar case on wrong. the second millar case on the prorogation of parliament. so this is a problem, isn't it?

because the judge, because the judges have to interpret this, this sort of nebulous constitution that's the air constitution that's in the air based on precedents going back many, many years. it's bound to be different be open to different interpretations right ? look, interpretations right? look, there are people usually in universities who talk about the old constitution . yes. you asked old constitution. yes. you asked them, what does it say? they say it's got the answers to every problem. and we are the ones who are going to give you the answers. yes. to so play devil's advocate, what are the advantages of having an unwritten constitution ? well, unwritten constitution? well, you be able to get some you might be able to get some legitimacy. the unwritten constitution. well, the advantages are this state is nearly a thousand years old. it's never been invaded successfully. yes it lost a bit of our land a hundred years ago. but england and later, the united kingdom has had secure borders for almost a millennium . they say to me, look, we got on very well for a thousand years without a constant human. i say it's looking pretty ragged

and brexit rather put the constitution under challenge. now people before have attempted to draft versions of a constitution. could you talk to us a little bit about that? there are three 1991, the institute for public policy research, a leftist centre think tank, actually said, we're not going to talk about it. we're going to talk about it. we're going to talk about it. we're going to draft excellent document. secondly, vernon bogdanor and he is the lead historian arguing for a written constitution. his students at oxford drafted the actual constitu tution. as we are . and constitu tution. as we are. and that's when you see what a weird system of governance we do have. and then finally , under david and then finally, under david cameron and nick clegg , there cameron and nick clegg, there was a committee in the commons which again was very inspired by david cameron and the anniversary of magna carta. and they got some academic lawyers in and they drafted the constitution. so there are three existing texts and standing one

on the other. there's quite a lot of work that's already been done and i'm simply arguing that an official body, a commission , an official body, a commission, should advise a government, any government on the basis of that work . so we could use that work, work. so we could use that work, in other words, to develop our constitution from an and we could have all those debates and discussions. what kind of i mean, i'm particular interested, as know, probably in free as you know, probably in free speech, know, in america, speech, you know, in america, the speech is at the reason why free speech is at the reason why free speech is at the in a better condition the moment in a better condition is because have a written is because they have a written constitution includes the constitution which includes the first although first amendment. and although some get some activists are trying to get the amended that it the amendment amended so that it doesn't certain forms doesn't apply to certain forms of on whole, it's of speech, on the whole, it's pretty robust. don't have pretty robust. we don't have that. why ended that. and that's why we've ended up with hate speech. well, i'm with on free speech because with you on free speech because without can't do without free speech, i can't do my of helping my clients. my job of helping my clients. i'm a supporter of a uk bill of rights as a stage to human rights reform. i think everybody should be given a set of rights pretty much like the bill of rights in the uk constitution. thatis

rights in the uk constitution. that is not what we have at the moment and the strasbourg system from the council of europe suffers from great deformations, basically we have 46 academic, active judges in strasbourg who do not know our justice system . do not know our justice system. erm the british judges have already told strasbourg to back off on a number of occasions . it off on a number of occasions. it is an unhappy situation . but is an unhappy situation. but what is wrong with our democracy? why can't we give ourselves a set of rights and then maybe more people would respect human rights? and of course , many people would say course, many people would say that, well, brexit is a perfect opportunity. the perfect moment actually , draw a written actually, to draw up a written constitution so that we can draw. i mean, i know the court in strasbourg predates eu, in strasbourg predates the eu, but away from these but to draw away from these institutions europe is a very institutions in europe is a very good point. european law was our fundamental law for 50 years. european law has now been withdrawn. why can't we put in uk fundamental law ? the supreme uk fundamental law? the supreme court would interpret it, but

the constitution would limit what the supreme court does as well as give it powers . ditto well as give it powers. ditto with the executive branch and government. ditto with parliament. it sounds quite radical when you talk about a written constitution, but it's not really because it's been mooted in one way or another in the last government in the current government. the last manifesto, it manifesto, wasn't it. well, it was tories 2019 was in the tories 2019 manifesto. so they were going to have commission right. manifesto. so they were going to have commission right . yes. have a commission on right. yes. and the constitution . they and the constitution. they didn't do anything but they weren't committing to a written constitution. but there wasn't any they weren't committing to it, were committing to it, but they were committing to a commission least a commission which at least would have the work. yes. would have begun the work. yes. they go there. there they didn't even go there. there was i'm afraid , political was i'm afraid, political skulduggery . well, there was a skulduggery. well, there was a pandemic as well, which probably derailed them. there was a pandemic which didn't look to the johnson government considerably. the considerably. yes, but the skulduggery had actually taken place before coronavirus came over from china. so you think even though it have become in the it was in the manifesto, there were some people who were

opposed to this commission. yes and were pretty powerful. and they were pretty powerful. and they were pretty powerful. and whole concern it, and their whole concern of it, of sight. why why are these of sight. but why why are these conservatives so ? well, i did go conservatives so? well, i did go back to my point that there are some people who think they know what the constitution is. all the answers are clear . and the answers are very clear. and if ask them, you'll get if you just ask them, you'll get the clearly, the the answer. but clearly, the service , and they're service disagree, and they're protecting secret , right? protecting a secret, right? i say, but but we've seen for ourselves people are ourselves how people are interpreting constitution interpreting the constitution in different that's different ways. so that's clearly not the case. and this would just be a way to, well, the people who mainly in the constitution cabinet constitution as the cabinet secretary, at time secretary, usually at the time of elections. if we of general elections. yes. if we go 2010, gordon brown go back to 2010, gordon brown lost the election, but he tried to do a coalition agreement with the dems . david cameron was the lib dems. david cameron was doing the same thing . the doing the same thing. the cabinet decided he was going for one coalition and not the other . so we wrote a bit of the constitution and handed it up to gordon brown and said i now have a role to play . the key thing a role to play. the key thing about our constitution is it's made up of two key people. the

head of state and the prime minister. but the third side is to triangle is the cabinet secretary. yes. and that crucial moments like a change of government, the cabinet secretary steps in, takes over and imposes a solution. but it would be quite radical, too, to draw up a constitution because it would mean, for instance, the withdrawal of the church of england from the house. well my favourite subject is the head of state . charles wants to be state. charles wants to be defender of face. all he has to do is ask parliament for that title. they'll take that off the existing title. they'll enact a statute and he will be defender of face. but how can he be head of face. but how can he be head of the church of england? how can the church of england be the official church in england when charles goes north to scotland, not to kill furry little animals , he changes his religion from one bit of protestant taoism to another bit of protestant ism. now we know religion is a

serious matter and you don't change your religion when you go on holiday. but that's what's been happening for time memorial. well, austin, we don't how much time effort? i want to ask just quickly about your book.so ask just quickly about your book. so the book is called pretence. why? what's the full title? so pretence? the title? so pretence? why the united kingdom needs a written constitution . yes, it has a constitution. yes, it has a beautiful portrait of charles, the first on the front. i chose that long before the death of the late queen. but it was in mind that we might have a successor in charles the third. they, of course , are different they, of course, are different dynasties. charles, the first was the steward. charles the third is a german who's been anglicised as a windsor. yes. so how confident are you that this book will start this sort of movement that you want to see? well, i'm not a political activist and i'm certainly not a politician , and i'm only a legal politician, and i'm only a legal adviser . but politician, and i'm only a legal adviser. but i do know politician, and i'm only a legal adviser . but i do know the politician, and i'm only a legal adviser. but i do know the legal advisers who have trawled this past before. but with government patronage from whichever party

forms the next government, then we might be on a road again. well, the very least we could have a conversation about it. couldn't be. that would be a start. well, as long as we've got freedom of speech . yes, we got freedom of speech. yes, we can. exactly. thank so can. exactly. i'll thank you so much for joining tonight. much for joining me tonight. political talk . and after the political talk. and after the break, matt hancock. this week it became the latest tory mp to announce that he is standing down, bury north mp james daley is not standing down, though, and he will be here to tell us why. don't go away . on mark why. don't go away. on mark dolan tonight in my big opinion, harry and meghan take a sideswipe at the commonwealth. far from being a source of shame , it's our proudest achievement . it might take it ten. the england players were heroes, but next time leave the politics in the dressing room. and you might do even better. my guest is the former leader of the liberal democrats tim farron. could his party be kingmakers at the next election class? my all star

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at nine. welcome back to free speech nation. after a wave of conserved mps have said they will not be standing at the next general election, matt hancock jumped on board and said he's not going to be standing either. former chancellor sajid javid also that he's going to be also said that he's going to be standing and so will rising standing down and so will rising star dehenna davison, who was only in 2019. one man only elected in 2019. one man who is not standing down is the bury north mp james daley, and he's here to tell us what's going on. thanks forjoining us, james. i want to start by asking you, i saw the article about the number of candidates who are about peace, who are standing down. but this is quite far in advance . why are they all advance. why are they all deciding now that they're not going to run in? well, it'll be

2025. won't well, first of 2025. won't it? well, first of all, can i just christ apologise if it looks like i'm in the dark at the moment. i've going round five rooms so far in this house to try to get the lie to write with guys. so if it is dark, with you guys. so if it is dark, forgive me. you don't worry about it in a great note. the thing two things about thing that the two things about about any profession isn't that that always people you that there are always people you kill yourself all time that kill yourself all the time that you know, you're the only one who can the job. you're the who can do the job. you're the only one been able to only one who's been able to represent constituents represent the constituents correctly. one correctly. you're the only one who's intellectual who's got the intellectual vim and rest of and vigour and all the rest of it to do the job of member of parliament. i mean member of parliament. i mean member of parliament. just like any other job waiting in the job people are waiting in the wings. good, talented wings. really good, talented people bring a fresh people going to bring a fresh perspective to, you know, to being mp and certainly be being an mp and certainly to be the because they've the candidate because they've probably i'm probably got constant trait. i'm getting varied , great getting more varied, but great people got very backgrounds and more people standing down. from my perspective, if the best chance was to get new types of people into politics, people have together. they've have got a lot together. they've got lot give. come on got a lot to give. who come on board the conservative

board with the conservative party 2019. so in all party since 2019. so in all honesty, whether matt hancock stands not, great man stands or not, the great man that matters , not one jot, that is matters, not one jot, you know, conservative party is fine and we will continue going forward with candidates . i forward with new candidates. i can you a list of 50 can give you a list of 50 candidates who i know personally who could come into parliament. i've background, the i've got the background, the humanity be humanity and the skills to be great. mp so is a conveyor andrew doyle dumbing down forum for altruistic reasons? are they? you know, they're not doing it to pave the way for other possible candidates, so there some why so there must be some reason why so many seems to this many there seems to be this exodus. i mean, is it just is the job just a lot harder than people anticipated? it's not it's the best we could have it's the best job we could have have. there's nothing hard about it. i suppose anything it. i mean, i suppose anything i would that hard for would say that is hard for somebody like i'm saving a somebody like me, i'm saving a house now. my two children upstairs. next door. upstairs. my wife is next door. i don't see them four days a week. my wife works i don't see them four days a wee looks my wife works i don't see them four days a wee looks after my wife works i don't see them four days a wee looks after they wife works i don't see them four days a wee looks after the kids.�* works i don't see them four days a wee looks after the kids. well:s and looks after the kids. well i'm down in london doing what i do and the that i put do and the pressure that i put on family by doing the job is on my family by doing the job is something you something that, you know, i think for families, then it

think for many families, then it is challenge. but in terms of is a challenge. but in terms of being an mp, you might get a better job getting you better job getting out, you know, there and know, getting out there and doing you committed to doing things you committed to doing things you committed to doing to people's doing things to improve people's lives. complains lives. anybody who complains about being job, that about it being this job, that job job that they're job or that job that they're well, they shouldn't be in first place. i you know, i think place. so i you know, i think these are the things where you're trying to get andrew without actually asking me is all standing down all these people standing down because think because they think the conservatives to lose conservatives are going to lose the you and the next election, you know, and if are, good luck to him. if they are, good luck to him. you don't want to be in, you know, whichever battle go know, whichever battle you go into. know, you want to be into. you know, you want to be there the with there in the trenches with people fight with you people going to fight with you and believe what you're and to believe in what you're going in. just going to believe in. just standing down for that reason, because they think they're going to shouldn't to lose. they shouldn't be standing that's standing anyway. that's fair enough. i wasn't actually thinking i'm thinking of that question. i'm glad it, because it is glad you asked it, because it is a good question. but how do you make of some some critics who say know, one of the say that, you know, one of the problems parliament the problems with parliament at the moment is although moment is that although obviously should obviously becoming an mp should be, describe, vocation be, as you describe, a vocation or that can't be or thing. i mean, that can't be much. that's more rewarding than

helping people in way. but helping people in that way. but actually become quite actually it's become quite careerist to careerist and people tend to follow path, know, follow a certain path, you know, at then they go into the at oxford. then they go into the house you don't have house of commons. you don't have the of, say, working the numbers of, say, working class used be in class people who used to be in the parliament. you know, back in the day the labour party had so who had down the so many mp who had been down the pits kind of thing, but pits and that kind of thing, but that seem to be the that just doesn't seem to be the case. you've got a very different culture now. what do you of that? completely you make of that? i completely agree think it's agree with you. i think it's across both parties. i think both especially the both parties, especially the labour are full, of, labour party, are full, full of, well, of pseudo well, of course pseudo intellectuals who to think intellectuals who like to think about sort get about politics and sort of get their, know, moral their, you know, their moral boost by themselves boost by calling themselves a socialist looking in socialist and looking in the mirror. know, it's not mirror. you know, it's not politics real life politics based on real life experience working experience of ordinary working people with great people as all those with great labour mp over last 200 labour and mp over the last 200 years because they came labour and mp over the last 200 yearsthe because they came labour and mp over the last 200 yearsthe villages, they came labour and mp over the last 200 yearsthe villages, the y came labour and mp over the last 200 yearsthe villages, the place,3 from the villages, the place, the areas they were from. and we need more working class to go far too people who come far too many people who come straight of being special straight out of being a special adviser and straight into mp for they that. they sovereignty for that. the whole being an mp whole thing about being an mp well tell you from 2019 is well i can tell you from 2019 is you've to be in reality

you've got to be in the reality based universe, which is statements obvious and statements of the obvious and the universe is the reality based universe is not that you learn not something that you learn from learn from a from a book, you learn from a life, learn from life, you learn from experiences, you learn from deaung experiences, you learn from dealing with people. you learn from pay your from struggling to pay your bills. learn from know, bills. you learn from you know, you everything with you know everything to do with your younger kids, your kids, with younger kids, whatever the people whatever it is, the people you interact life mean, interact with in your life mean, you they prepare you to be you know, they prepare you to be an and if you don't have an mp. and if you don't have that and look at it as that and you just look at it as some, you know, some sort of career progression or you view politics life through the politics and life through the prism text. like prism of the academic text. like some parliament some colleagues in parliament appear going be appear to you not going to be very good. mp in my view. what do you think about a lot of people who have basically written the conservatives written off the conservatives for election? mean, for the next election? i mean, it in terms of the it does look in terms of the polling don't really polling that they don't really have at this at this have a hope at this at this juncture. what's thing juncture. what's the best thing that conservative party can that the conservative party can do that around? well, do to turn that around? well, i don't a word of the don't believe a word of the polling. know, they open all polling. you know, they open all polls, every poll. the matter is polling. you know, they open all prpoll,3very poll. the matter is polling. you know, they open all prpoll, the/ poll. the matter is polling. you know, they open all prpoll, the generalhe matter is polling. you know, they open all p

is the conservative is enough time the conservative party to turn those you know, its around, but it's its fortunes around, but it's got be conservative politics. got to be conservative politics. it's stand on that it's got to now stand on that platform the platform and scream from the rooftops platform that rooftops about the platform that was 2019. take a very was elected in 2019. take a very strong measures in respect to the boats crisis. you the small boats crisis. you know, not prioritise sort of know, not prioritise the sort of net what, in my view , is net zero, what, in my view, is nonsense. know, i may not nonsense. you know, i may not tax people a level that we're tax people to a level that we're doing. back what people doing. get back to what people want a conservative party. want from a conservative party. people don't want labels , you people don't want labels, you know. i think that one of know. and i think that one of the one of the great myths of modern politics is that this idea that, you know, i know i need to criticise my colleagues at all, but this idea that some of our former former prime ministers are sort of more conservative in the present, one is absolutely nonsense. and if you look from 2019, for somebody like onwards, you know that like me onwards, you know that they preoccupation with net zero. you know, the fact that priti patel wasn't back to put homes home secretary from homes as home secretary from number really number ten. these are really significant issues that contributed are now contributed to where we are now . i that this prime . so i think that this prime minister and the team around him

are the best team that we've had, but they've got to be able to articulate the good things they're doing and it and be they're doing and do it and be delighted and so much for joining tonight. really joining me tonight. really appreciate . thank you. and appreciate it. thank you. and join us after the break. so in a moment

r ,we , we welcome back to free speech nation. we're going to be cracking on in just one moment. but first, it's time for the news bulletin that we have tatiana sanchez . andrew thank tatiana sanchez. andrew thank you. this is the latest from the gb news room. a number of people are believed to be in a critical condition after being pulled from a lake in solihull . west from a lake in solihull. west midlands police describe the incident as serious, saying emergency services are at baps

mill park in king's hurst. the fire service says reports from the scene and videos from social media indicate people had been playing on the ice and had fallen through a search and rescue operation is underway . rescue operation is underway. police in jersey say five people are now confirmed to have died in yesterday's explosion in st heuen in yesterday's explosion in st helier. a blast ripped through a three story block of flats in the capital in the early hours of the morning . around four of the morning. around four people are still thought to be missing. the chief of jersey police, robin smith, says, sadly , more fatalities are expected . , more fatalities are expected. we are not going to be here for days. we are likely to be here for weeks. and it's important that i make that clear. for weeks. and it's important that i make that clear . this that i make that clear. this morning i spoke to the family liaison coordinator who described to me the feelings of those families and i am really, really keen to ensure that everybody properly understands the emotions that they are currently going through, going through . so this is not going to

through. so this is not going to happen quickly. it's going to happen quickly. it's going to happen carefully and it's going to happen sensitively . the man to happen sensitively. the man accused of making the bomb that caused the lockerbie disaster is now in us custody . 270 people now in us custody. 270 people were killed when a device was detonate it on the pan am flight 103 in december 1988. the justice department says libyan abu aguila masood, who is believed to be the third conspiracy of the terrorist attack, will make an initial appearance in a federal court in washington . the cold snap that's washington. the cold snap that's been causing travel disruption is expected to continue throughout the week . snow and throughout the week. snow and ice has hit large parts of the uk and the met office says overnight. frost is expected until next friday. a yellow alert for snow and ice is still in place for scotland as well as southwestern england. and an ice and fog warning has now come into effect in northern ireland . nasa's first artemus moon

mission has been completed with the orion capsule splashing down in the pacific ocean. the capsule landed off the coast of mexico's baja, california peninsula following its 25 day voyage. the uncrewed vessel travelled more than 1.4 million miles, paving the way for the next generation of manned lunar missions from 20 tv, online and dab+ radio. this is. gb news. on last week's show , i outlined on last week's show, i outlined some of the revelations from the twitter files that have been released by elon musk. these showed how politicians on both sides of the aisle routinely requested that tweets were deleted if they were potentially harmful to their campaign . and harmful to their campaign. and much of this took place in the run up to the last election. screenshots of internal conversations among twitter

executives also proved that such collusion had the most impact on right leaning twitter accounts because, as we've all known for years, twitter's staff have always been overwhelmingly supportive of the democrats. this, of course , is all in line this, of course, is all in line with all of the silicon valley tech giants. and, of course , tech giants. and, of course, this shouldn't really be a matter of political tribalism anyway. whether one votes left or right or neither. american citizens just defiantly citizens are just defiantly concerned when politicians and big tech are working together to limit what information they are allowed to see in the digital pubuc allowed to see in the digital public square, particularly when there's an election coming up. one of the biggest revelations of the initial tranche of released documents was that twitter executives were aware that the banning of president donald trump from the platform could not be justified by the existing twitter rules. now, i'm no fan of donald trump, but what he had to say on twitter was clearly in the public interest because he was, well, you know, the president and is really surprised me how so many people who opposed trump politically

were content to see his account suspended. some were really delighted about it. but in a democracy , we meant to persuade democracy, we meant to persuade people of the soundness of our views, not prevent them from heanng views, not prevent them from hearing alternate lives. and most importantly , we should be most importantly, we should be listening to what our detractors have to say and be open to changing our minds. anything else is to abandon critical thinking altogether, which is a kind of intellectual death. and this week , more of the twitter this week, more of the twitter files have been released. and yet again, many outlets in the mainstream media just ignore the contents. this isn't news, apparently, except that it is. it's just the kind of news that media outlets who prioritise activism over journalism media outlets who prioritise activism overjournalism don't really want you to hear. those who have reported on it have tended to dismiss it as what they call a nothing burger , or they call a nothing burger, or have spent most of their time attempting to downplay the significance of the hunter biden laptop story . but of course, laptop story. but of course, this is to miss the point. very few people care about naked pictures of hunter biden. they

care about politician and big tech working in tandem to censor and national newspaper. it's about the principle of the thing, not the substance of the story. it doesn't matter if this story. it doesn't matter if this story had been potentially damaging to biden's campaign or trump's campaign. in either case, people should oppose this kind of censorship because when moneyed elites are deciding what you're allowed to read and say and think , that's called and think, that's called authoritarianism . so i would authoritarianism. so i would urge you all to read the various threads which detail the censorship policies of twitter before elon musk took charge of the company . you won't see on the company. you won't see on the company. you won't see on the media, but you can go to twitter directly and have a look there available on the twitter accounts of the independent journalists. matt taibbi , barry journalists. matt taibbi, barry weiss and michael shellenberger and i want to draw your attention specifically to one key revelation this week, which was outlined by a thread written by in this thread . by barry weiss. in this thread. there was conclusive proof that twitter had been engaging in what is known as shadow banning.

now, this is when twitter decides to limit the reach of certain accounts. it means that you will be tweeting as normal. but followers just won't be but your followers just won't be seeing your tweets in their feed. you're basically tweeting into a vacuum. but the company hasn't told you that you're being limited in this way. and here's what vijay gadi, who twitter's former head of legal policy and trust and safety , policy and trust and safety, said banning . back said about shadow banning. back in 2018, she said, we do not shadow ban . you are always able shadow ban. you are always able to see the tweets from accounts you follow . and we although you you follow. and we although you may have to do more work to find them, like going directly to their profile. and we certainly don't shadow ban based on political viewpoints or ideology . but that wasn't true . twitter . but that wasn't true. twitter was, of course, able to deny that it was shadow banning because they didn't call it shadow banning. they called it visibility filtering . so that's visibility filtering. so that's all right then , isn't it? this all right then, isn't it? this is like when the cia . cia were is like when the cia. cia were engagedin is like when the cia. cia were

engaged in enhanced interrogation. you remember that one? no one was being tortured, you understand? they were just being interrogated in an enhanced manner. now, this manipulation of language in order to deny correct behaviour is a feature of all authority movements. and just think about what this means. the handful of executives in silicon valley who run the global defacto public square were deciding whether your voice could be heard on the bafis your voice could be heard on the basis of whether your opinions augned basis of whether your opinions aligned with their own . what are aligned with their own. what are they so afraid of? why is discussion and debate so terrifying for these people? do they have that little confidence in the strength of their own arguments and? this shadow banning or whatever twitter wants to call it, wasn't the end of it . twitter put some users on of it. twitter put some users on a search blacklist . so one a search blacklist. so one example was the conservative chat show host dan bongino . and chat show host dan bongino. and because he was on this search blacklist, it meant that if you searched for him, he wouldn't show up. why? because this stuff at twitter didn't agree with his politics. conservative

commentator charlie kirk was flagged with the label . do not flagged with the label. do not amplify. that was an internal label set by twitter executives. now he didn't know this. it was all done in secret. and again, this was just a twitter. members of staff with a particular worldview the reach of worldview limiting the reach of their political opponents. they even put certain accounts onto what call trends blacklist , what call a trends blacklist, which meant that popular tweets wouldn't end up trending. one such person put on this trend is blacklist was j. butter blacklist was dr. j. butter chara, who was a professor of medicine at stanford university and co—author of the great barrington declaration , which barrington declaration, which challenged wisdom of challenged the wisdom of lockdown during the pandemic and instead that high risk instead advised that high risk people ought be shielded, but people ought to be shielded, but that the virus should be allowed to spread through risk to spread through low risk groups to develop herd groups in order to develop herd immunity. was immunity. now, this document was written by experts in their fields who nonetheless fields who were nonetheless challenging received challenging the received narrative . and so twitter didn't narrative. and so twitter didn't want dr. better charas ideas to spread. i didn't know that twitter executives were experts in epidemiology , but apparently in epidemiology, but apparently so . and of course, this is all

so. and of course, this is all very reminiscent, isn't it, of when accounts were banned and taken down from youtube, because some people were speculating that the virus just might have originated in a lab in wuhan. and now, of course , that and now, of course, that hypothesis seems likely. it's something that has even been conceded by joe biden's administration. all of which shows us the dangers of big tech censorship censors. you see, are not infallible . and if the not infallible. and if the censors can get it wrong, then they'll end up censoring the wrong things. so what's the solution ? don't have censorship solution? don't have censorship in the first place . so after the in the first place. so after the break on free speech nation , break on free speech nation, they've kindly brave the cold to make it down here. so we better get some more questions for my lovely audience. but before we go to our break, i just want to quickly ask my panel about the twitter because twitter files, because it's weird. are these things weird. they are these things have been, you know, released over week, a little bit over the last week, a little bit more than now. yeah. and

more than a week now. yeah. and honest god, i've honest to god, i mean, i've looked on the various websites of bbc, etc. like it of msnbc, bbc, etc. it's like it never happened. i mean, never happened. yeah. i mean, the the media is just the bias in the media is just astounding. mean, elon musk astounding. i mean, elon musk and for elon and thank god for elon musk buying twitter turning buying twitter and turning around this around and releasing this information and making a transparent company and making it profitable . i wish he could it profitable. i wish he could buy the united kingdom . but he's buy the united kingdom. but he's he's he's purchased a thing that the tory party have shown. it pretty much is for sale. but he's he's purchased, as he says, not a company but a crime scene . and this is this is stuff the at the time these these censors may have thought were they were doing because doing the right thing, because they're mean, the they're obviously i mean, the donations the donations list donations got the donations list from twitter employees to political a 90% of them political parties. a 90% of them went to went to the democrats are will never quite believe that there's an overwhelming bias . but that there's an overwhelming bias. but even if that there's an overwhelming bias . but even if they had that bias. but even if they had that bias. but even if they had that bias mean would you bias i mean why would you exercise along those exercise censorship along those lines? i know lines? i don't. but i know i know answer that. but know the answer to that. but that's i wouldn't do that's just i wouldn't do it. i would i think it would be just morally repugnant. and this is you imagine democrat party you imagine the democrat party going a newsstand or

going down to a newsstand or going down to a newsstand or going to smiths and like going down to smiths and like ripping newspapers off the off the shelves stamping them ripping newspapers off the off the �*the ves stamping them ripping newspapers off the off the �*the floor stamping them ripping newspapers off the off the �*the floor and:amping them ripping newspapers off the off the �*the floor and setting them into the floor and setting them on fire. i can imagine that. yeah that's what they'd like to do, this is the do, right? this is this is the digital that the digital version of that is the fact that all done with fact that it's all done with with on screen and with numbers on a screen and algorithms instead of actual, you know, burning books or whatever, it's just whatever, you know, it's just the that so this media the fact that so this media works. other thing, frances, works. the other thing, frances, which absolutely which i found absolutely fascinating, people which i found absolutely fastheating, people which i found absolutely fasthe media people which i found absolutely fasthe media trying people which i found absolutely fasthe media trying sayeople which i found absolutely fasthe media trying say thise in the media trying to say this is this is not is nothing, this is not newsworthy. call it newsworthy. they call it a nothing burger. you've even nothing burger. and you've even had claiming it's had people claiming that it's disinformation been disinformation proof has been released , leaked you released, leaked documents. you had elton john storming off twitter. the other day saying now it's become a realm disinformation. no, it was . and disinformation. no, it was. and now we're learning that it was and things are getting better. so now is not the time to storm off elton. that is very that is very this shows is very true. what this shows is how these big tech how dangerous these big tech companies it's a small companies are. it's a very small cabal who are in cabal of people who are in charge of disseminating information to the public. and the reality is, is that most of us now get news from social

media. it doesn't matter if it's twitter, if it's facebook or one of the other platforms. and people are always going to it. twitter, only 12% of the population on there. the reality is that are the 12% of the is that they are the 12% of the people who are the most important, know, the important, you know, the journalists, politicians. important, you know, the jour|soists, politicians. important, you know, the jour| so on , politicians. important, you know, the jour|so on and politicians. important, you know, the jour|so on and so>liticians. important, you know, the jour|so on and so forth. ns. important, you know, the jour|so on and so forth. so if and so on and so forth. so if doing their , doing censorship around their, the rest of us aren't going to be able to it. well, this be able to hear it. well, this is the problem. always apathy with the banning donald with the banning of donald trump. was clearly no trump. there was clearly no grounds came grounds whatsoever. they came up with flimsy thing about with some flimsy thing about incitement it incitement to violence, but it by did his tweets meet by no means did his tweets meet the incitement to the threshold of incitement to violence. know, no violence. so, you know, no lawyer would have said that they did. i think a few rogue ones did, but no one seriously made that facebook, did, but no one seriously made tha of facebook, did, but no one seriously made tha of those facebook, did, but no one seriously made tha of those attacks facebook, did, but no one seriously made tha of those attacks were ook, lot of those attacks were coordinated on facebook. yeah, i mean, that's scary, isn't it? if they they can the they if they can find the sitting president. worse sitting president. but worse than now know. all than that, we now know. so all these people trying these arguments, people trying to banning to defend twitter for banning president those don't president trump, those don't stand now we stand anymore because now we have documents that have the leaked documents that prove twitter prove that the twitter executives themselves acknowledged we can't really do this. really have this. we don't really have a right to do this, but we're

going to do it anyway now. so that does kind of scupper those arguments been arguments which have been appued arguments which have been applied yeah, applied retrospect to be, yeah, there's which there's a paper trail which i can't they didn't delete can't believe they didn't delete all emails they must all these emails and they must have to the fact that have been blind to the fact that i mean, this looks i mean, some of this looks criminal. it genuinely looks like people are going to go to jail because jail for this because politicians are emailing them, saying, these saying, you deal with these tweets, tweets, and tweets, delete these tweets, and they're it. i that's they're doing it. i mean, that's that's insane level of that's just an insane level of influence collusion. that's, influence and collusion. that's, you know, fascism is the co—option and media co—option of business and media into into into an autocratic state, into an government. and an autocratic government. and that's got. that's exactly what we've got. these that they're these people think that they're anti—fascist. these people are rigid enforcing we should rigid, enforcing fine. we should say. the trump campaign were also twitter and also emailing twitter and saying, can you delete? laughter but they generally weren't getting them actually deleted. and because of the and that's because of the political bias that didn't match. however i think i match. however i think what i would say that if it were the would say is that if it were the case that stuff had been case that twitter stuff had been supportive of the republicans, if time they'd still if the time they'd still wouldn't make this right, i wouldn't make this right, i would still criticising with would still be criticising with the of vehemence. the same level of vehemence. i would that's the would not be. well, that's the difference you and me difference between you and me there. i don't fit into a tribe.

but do you think this is right? yeah. it is one of the most fascinating aspects of this particular was particular case is there was a lot of times that janet warsi, who was the chief who was the ceo of twitter, didn't actually know on. that's know what was going on. that's that's it? that's incredible, isn't it? yeah. were making yeah. so people were making decisions, decisions decisions, high level decisions about . let's just call about censoring. let's just call it what it is. yeah. and the ceo of twitter had idea was going of twitter had no idea was going on. it's maddening to me that so many people who claim to be on the left, are democrats the left, who are democrats supporters cheering supporters are cheering this on, saying, nothing saying, oh, they did nothing wrong because it our wrong because it was our political opponents that got censored. so myopic. and censored. that is so myopic. and sure. mean, on. this sure. i mean, come on. this could this kind could affect anyone. this kind of could affect of censorship could affect anyone point. so the only anyone at any point. so the only sort of default to do is sort of default thing to do is be consistent and say we don't support censorship for anyone, including our political opponents. this is what opponents. well this is what people never understood . if you people never understood. if you advocate tools and when advocate certain tools and when it comes to silencing your opponent or de—platforming smears , etc, then you've got to smears, etc, then you've got to expect at some point those weapons to be used against you. yes. but they're so convinced that going to happen.

that it's never going to happen. well we'll to social well we'll go on to social entropy . oh, indeed. but i well we'll go on to social entropy. oh, indeed. but i may not be, to be honest, but i do want to learn a new thing. but anyway, after the break, we are going to get some more questions from our fantastic audience. so we seeing in just a we will be seeing you in just a couple minutes. well.

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. and i do want to thank our lovely audience for coming along tonight and we do have some more questions from the audience. where is peter? hello hi, andrew. are you shocked to learn that one in kids have that almost one in ten kids have no intention of ever getting a job? yes. so this i'm not that shocked, but this is a survey that was reported on this week and it was 9% of respondents between the ages of 18 and 24 are planning not to start working right now. leo is this

something you can just choose not to do? because, i mean, if i just decided when i was that age, i'm not going to start working, i would have starved to death. well, that's death. yeah, well, that's the thing age, i think thing is that, that age, i think you can decide never you can decide you're never going to work if you're 18 years old. yeah. when you get a bit older, realise, oh, i've got older, you realise, oh, i've got to working. mean, to start working. i mean, whatever. was 18 was whatever. when i was 18 i was like, i'm getting a job. i like, i'm never getting a job. i have to keep going have managed to keep that going . like a good scotsman until now. but and yeah, i think it will. it's funny because we're, we're actually facing a massive shortage of workers in the economy. there's too many roles. i think there's 1.7 job vacancies for every person, every person that's working that we've got. yeah. so and people are saying, well these people coming across digging in the coming across the digging in the channelin coming across the digging in the channel in dinghies can fill those and i said, well, those roles. and i said, well, why people to why don't we get people to migrate mums bedroom? migrate from their mums bedroom? and the workforce. this and then the workforce. is this because because of because it's, it's because of the pandemic and young people just used being given just got used to being given money i think part money for nothing. i think part of the problem is, is number one, 18 year olds, as leo

one, it's 18 year olds, as leo said, who are lazy. yeah, yeah. they're lazy, feckless and they should should just rid should we should just get rid them one. but them number one. yeah. but number two think if you look number two i think if you look at the, the they've at like the, the wages they've been stagnated for the last ten years, it's pretty much impossible on the housing impossible to get on the housing ladder. impossible to get on the housing ladder . inflation is at impossible to get on the housing ladder. inflation is at 9. yeah i imagine a lot of people are going, why? yeah, but do you think they know about that ? i think they know about that? i don't think they know about the housing market or the economy. and i think they don't know about the housing market and is here because that's in here because that's been in crisis what, for forever, crisis since, what, for forever, many odd years or many years, 20 odd years or whatever video whatever that joy playing video that affect 18 year that doesn't just affect 18 year olds. not like, oh, no, 18 olds. it's not like, oh, no, 18 year olds can get in the housing market like i'm and i can't market like i'm 46 and i can't get on the ladder. get on the housing ladder. i think this those those huge think this is those those huge job. well, if i had a proper job job. well, if i had a properjob and i quit to become a comedian because i thought, well, i can't buy a house, what's what's the point? so it totally worked out for me. so yeah, quit your for me. so yeah, like, quit your job if you go one. but, but yeah, i think the, the other problem is kids are entitled now

and they're to and they think they're going to be tick superstars or be a tick tock superstars or whatever want to do. whatever they don't want to do. they want put any hard they don't want to put any hard graft and sort of their way graft and sort of work their way up the ladder in a, in up the up the ladder in a, in a proper career. yeah. so maybe it's x factor quality. you it's the x factor quality. you just think they're going to be picked and become superstars. picked up and become superstars. yeah. tock is as yeah. and then tick tock is as a tool of the chinese government that's designed sow that's designed to sow degeneracy in the degeneracy and discord in the west. but that's a whole west. okay. but that's a whole other have not got other right that we have not got time cover. let's move on time to cover. but let's move on to catherine. where is catherine? hi, catherine. yeah just family need just the royal family need lessons cultural competency. lessons in cultural competency. a cultural competency? okay, so you will be. i have been following this story about the domestic violence campaigner ngozi fulani . and of course, she ngozi fulani. and of course, she was the woman who went to buckingham palace. and lady buckingham palace. and the lady hussy her, where are hussy kept asking her, where are you where really from, you from, where you really from, etc, etc. and this became a big thing . but now has been thing. but now she has been called upon to go into buckingham palace and to give them a course in culture competency, to go in and teach them . do you think she's them. do you think she's qualified to do ? oh i don't

qualified to do? oh i don't understand why this is such a big story . and we've all the big story. and we've all the things that are going on in the world and this is the thing that we choose to focus on as a nation, if you will, going to go in to the buckingham palace and talk to anyone , talk to andrew. talk to anyone, talk to andrew. you know , i mean, there's a lot you know, i mean, there's a lot to talk to him about. you know i find it i find it very odd that someone would go the you know, i would expect if i was going to visit buckingham palace and i was speaking to an 83 year old aide. yeah. i would assume they might have old fashioned values or be when told me or not. be when you told me she's because the you she's done because the way you achieve progress dragging achieve progress is you dragging the old through the mud the 83 year old through the mud publicly i she didn't even publicly. i see. she didn't even she even say anything, she didn't even say anything, but she was quite but just she was quite persistently where was from, persistently where she was from, which a bit rude and which would be a bit rude and ignorant wearing, you ignorant if she was wearing, you know, she wasn't trying to know, if she wasn't trying to dress a carry dress like somebody from a carry on set in africa, in on film set in africa, meet in the 1950s, was wearing like the 1950s, she was wearing like a leopard skin with tiger tooth necklace . and she actually she

necklace. and she actually she she rode a hippopotamus up to the palace. she killed a butler with a blue dart. she was, of course , going to where course, going to ask where you're from. i mean, she was, in truth, wearing a traditional african costume to identify as very much with her african, except somebody her except when somebody asked her about the other thing about it. and the other thing i didn't realise because is that when she was asked, where are you from? it actually that you from? it was actually that woman's it was lady hussey woman's job. it was lady hussey job out information. so job to find out information. so that be passed the that could be passed on to the royals. i didn't realise that that's of job. that's actually part of the job. yeah, i mean this is yeah, right. so i mean this is a very with this has too far hasn't it. france gone too far. it's a scandal. and prince william just buckled and immediately apologised immediately just apologised forever thing because. yeah well that's good sign, it? that's not a good sign, is it? no, no sign number no, it's no good sign number one. number two, one. and number two, it's because meghan exposed the because meghan exposed how the royal family were institutionally racist . they institutionally racist. they were wondering what colour her baby was going to be because that's in the kkk . that's what happens in the kkk. right. | that's what happens in the kkk. right. i should say that francis is not being serious , but this is not being serious, but this is not being serious, but this is an important point. you think

a lot of this is actually just about the fact that happened with meghan. you think that with meghan. do you think that this being this is people being hypersensitive past hypersensitive because of past mistakes? because mistakes? oh, of course. because when about white when you talk about white privilege, they are the privilege, i mean, they are the most white, most privileged people this country. you people in this country. you would say so obviously going to be hypersensitive. they're not going to appear racist. going to want to appear racist. yes happens and yes and then this happens and they just batten down the hatches they throw the 83 hatches and they throw the 83 year old asking asking year old again asking asking what know, the what colour, you know, the child. harry and meghan's child is going to be. that's that's not racism. but she's wondering, like, my wife, like, you know, me and my wife, we're wondering, to we're wondering, is it going to be is going to be is it be is going to be ginger? is it going freckles, all that sort going to freckles, all that sort of stuff? it doesn't mean we're racist against each other. is it going be really told? well, going to be really told? well, this just questions this is this is just questions that a family about a baby. that a family asks about a baby. you i'm from a mixed race you know, i'm from a mixed race family. know, those family. and, you know, those questions and questions were asked and my family it family as well. it wasn't a saying, you know, oh, yeah, let's say let's ask what colour the baby's to be and then the baby's going to be and then go you know, join the bnp go and, you know, join the bnp or whenever. it's just, it's just questions ask. just questions that people ask. you've watching harry you've been watching the harry

and i've and meghan documentary. i've watched it, but it was watched a bit of it, but it was so boring. just looks really so boring. it just looks really boring. so so boring. yeah. so it was so excruciating. boring and also, you the bits like she you know, the bits like she mocks she's she mocks curtsy louis. she's she she only marries in the royal family is like hoover all these protocols it's protocols had to follow it's like yeah don't go wikipedia like yeah you don't go wikipedia as family is the as a royal family this is the price pay for being price you pay for being a literal princess. you're entitled say the word. entitled little say the word. let's move on to another question. this is coming from our email account. this is from anna. and has said, why do anna. and anna has said, why do you think people would vandalise nativity scenes? okay, now there's the scene there on the screen. at all saints screen. this was at all saints church in ipswich and this nativity scene was completely destroyed, smashed up that joseph was beheaded . it's very joseph was beheaded. it's very extreme . now, look, francis, a extreme. now, look, francis, a lot of people said, but this is an attack on christianity, which which not many people are going to care about because it's you know, it's the dominant religion or whatever. but it could just be drunks smashing something up. we don't really know , do we? we don't really know, do we? what know? what happened here know? have you been ipswich. i used

you ever been to ipswich. i used to in ipswich. well this is to live in ipswich. well this is a of thing that happens and a kind of thing that happens and it this is what i was it is. i know this is what i was going say. i mean, i remember going to say. i mean, i remember being ipswich on a saturday being in ipswich on a saturday night. i thought was night. yeah, i thought it was like a computer game. you had to dodge people fighting. and dodge people fighting. yeah. and people there people throwing up and there was a coming way a project cars coming this way and it was like a platform and that it was like a platform game and scary as well. completely scary. no one could survive at least of survive at least least of all, joe. and would say, you know, joe. and i would say, you know, putting in putting ornaments out in that apocalyptic yeah apocalyptic environment. yeah they're trashed. they're going to get trashed. yeah, putting yeah, absolutely. putting them in orphanage. i mean, in the orphanage. i mean, i think this this probably wasn't a motivated hate a religiously motivated hate crime. this is this was drunk, lads between ages of 18 to lads between the ages of 18 to 24 who do want to get a job. yeah that's what's happened there. but it's also interesting to see, you know, everybody talks christianity being to see, you know, everybody talkdominantiristianity being to see, you know, everybody talkdominant religion,' being the dominant religion, especially people especially a minority of people in christians in the country are christians now . by the current now. and by 2050, the current trends , islam is going to be the trends, islam is going to be the biggest religion, the uk. and you imagine if this had you can't imagine if this had beenif you can't imagine if this had been if this had been a i don't know if they have a nativity scene and islam probably not. but the muhammad or whatever

they think they do. they do, i don't think they do. but can if the but you can imagine if the equivalent was vandalised that would oh, god. would do is islamic. oh, my god. this be wouldn't be this would be this wouldn't be off front pages of the off the front pages of the guardian month. people guardian for a month. people would be screaming this is evidence britain is a cruel evidence that britain is a cruel barbaric, country. barbaric, racist country. and again, have just been again, it would have just been teenagers up there teenagers getting up there anyway. who knows what happened? they going move on they were going to move on there. a final question from there. to a final question from another one from twitter. this is coming paula. paula has is coming from paula. paula has asked, the band slaves asked, were the band slaves right to change their names? this a british duo this is a british punk duo called and they've changed their name to soft play . it's not like name to soft play. it's not like a riff on coldplay. i don't know what they've done there. anyway, i'm not a fan of punk, but what do you think of it? i mean, i presume they thought that this was a kind of racist. well, there were racial connotations to slaves. what's to calling them slaves. what's that ? oh, i have no idea. that about? oh, i have no idea. i do know that is great pr for them i've actually heard them because i've actually heard of no of any of this band before. no of any good.i of this band before. no of any good. i don't know. so this sounds like something you do in

your forties when you can no longer performers. the it doesn't know but way the image in my head is what do you make of this. yeah i mean obviously the punk rock thing to do is to analyse current trends and go along with them . so no, i mean, along with them. so no, i mean, i think, you know , fair enough. i think, you know, fair enough. if they think the name is offending people, they originally to apply to originally meant it to apply to being a wage slave and being, you know, just the grind the everyday of work. that's why if you're a prince, when you get that contract issue with sony, the slave on his face and the word slave on his face and he was making the point that's a, you know, similar kind of point, but yeah. yeah. because he was very much oppressed wasn't bones. he wasn't it? yeah, bones. but he he wasn't so that makes a he wasn't white. so that makes a difference . i think does make difference. i think it does make a think, you know, a difference. i think, you know, if in your if you've got that in your history, you can you can history, then you can you can comment on frances has made a good point here is actually we are talking them. none of are talking about them. none of us heard of this yeah us have heard of this band. yeah i to go and check out i am going to go and check out that music. i'm going to instantly about them. instantly forget about them. well, difference.

well, that's the difference. anyway, take anyway, look, we've got to take a but the break, a break. but after the break, i'm free speech nation i'm going to be joined by lord farmer and lois mcclatchey. to lois mcclatchey. we're going to be court be discussing the supreme court ruling zones at ruling regarding buffer zones at abortion you a abortion clinics. see you in a couple of minutes

welcome to free speech nation . welcome to free speech nation. this week, the supreme court , this week, the supreme court, the united kingdom has ruled that buffer zones around abortion clinics can be set up to protect women who are trying to protect women who are trying to access their legal right to abortion from protesters. now, clearly, no should be clearly, no one should be harassed when to access harassed when trying to access health the legislation health care, but the legislation that place to that has been put in place to allow buffer zones could allow these buffer zones could have far reaching and unforeseen consequences on our right to protest. discuss this, protest. now, to discuss this, we have with us lord farmer, a member of the house of lords who has legislation which has challenged legislation which would install buffer zones in england good evening, england and wales. good evening, lord evening. lord farmer. nice evening. thank you joining me today. this you for joining me today. this does raise all sorts of questions the limitations

does raise all sorts of quprotest the limitations does raise all sorts of quprotest and the limitations does raise all sorts of quprotest and seen limitations does raise all sorts of quprotest and seen all1itations does raise all sorts of quprotest and seen all sorts ns does raise all sorts of quprotest and seen all sorts of of protest and seen all sorts of instances with just op oil and people like this. so what is the background to this? well, it's interesting. is this clause nine has been brought on to this bill by the labour party in the commons . it's by the labour party in the commons. it's a by the labour party in the commons . it's a public order commons. it's a public order bill. it was the government's pubuc bill. it was the government's public order bill to deal with motorway disruptions, to deal with the difficult is that we're having with the protests today and actually, i mean, just to give you a bit of background, you know, there's a quite a bit of chaos during the liz truss days and yesterday and actually still increasing on the labour benches decided to attach this clause nine about a buffer zones around abortion clinics to the pubuc around abortion clinics to the public order bill. well, normally it would have been whipped against by the government. it's not part of this bill, but actually with an hour to go before the voting, yes, it was deemed a conscience

vote. and so everybody was to free fruit, free to voters as they wanted. and, of course , the they wanted. and, of course, the bafic they wanted. and, of course, the basic arguments put forward was, well, of course you shouldn't harass women going to have an abortion. of course, you you you shouldn't be nasty towards them. and so there was an overwhelming sort of vote in favour of the buffer zones , but with very buffer zones, but with very little debate. now we could have a debate about the role of house of lords, but the role of the house of lords is to scrutinise, revise and amend the bills coming up. and a lot of bills coming up. and a lot of bills coming up. and a lot of bills coming up from the commons are pretty badly drafted. so your view is that the lords have a responsibility to identify when you have kind of you have these kind of opportunistic potentially strategies the look strategies with the look something on to inflation at the last minute to prevent the opportunity debate. yeah. opportunity for debate. yeah. well i should say in well i mean, i should say in 2018, the home office , a review 2018, the home office, a review in england , wales on buffer

in england, wales on buffer zones around abortion clinics and they decided that a buffer zone was despite portion it. there just wasn't the level of harassment that was being maintained . and all of being maintained. and all of being argued for yes and so it was drops that and now we're getting the buffer zones brought in but there hasn't been any research or sort of data that's coming in to say harassment is better apart from anecdotal. well, i heard somebody shouting this or people showing foetal photographs, etc. but that doesn't seem to be the justified location for it. so we need to review . so that's a key point. review. so that's a key point. and i'd like to bring in lois mcclatchey, who is the communications officer at edf international. lois, thank you for joining us tonight. international. lois, thank you for joining us tonight . do we for joining us tonight. do we have lois there ? so just to too

have lois there? so just to too on just relating to what lord farmer was just saying there is do we really know the extent of harassment around abortion clinics and whether the buffer zones would be a legitimate way to deal with that problem ? this to deal with that problem? this is the key question at the heart of this debate is what is going on outside abortion clinics and is it necessary to bring in legislation that would censor all activity around these zones? so the government, as far as adequately pointed out, have been looking into this issue for some time. and in their review in 2018, they found the instance of harassment which are illegal . and as someone who's pro—life, i would absolutely recall the police myself if i saw a pro—lifer harassing and beating a woman over the head with it, with something to tell her, not to have an abortion. that's absolutely not right. nobody absolutely not right. and nobody thinks right. thinks that's right. and harassment illegal. harassment is already illegal. to clear, that's not to be very clear, that's not what about here, but what talking about here, but what talking about here, but what government that what the government find that most frequent activity of pro—life individuals were either

quiet or silent prayer , or quiet or silent prayer, or handing out leaflets about charities, charitable support available to women if they would like to consider other options than abortion. and of course, that's a perfectly legal thing to do to have an exchange of information in the street, to be handing out a leaflet about a charitable service on offer to help. those are great and good activities that helpful for activities that are helpful for women for society. women and helpful for society. but so far but buffer zones go so far banning harassment, which is the bad activity that they inculcate they capture. also the good activity, which is the prayer and the help available . lord and the help available. lord farmer, can i ask you about that? so is the problem then that? so is the problem then that people have shared definitions of what constitute harassment ? no, definitions of what constitute harassment? no, i definitions of what constitute harassment ? no, i wouldn't say harassment? no, i wouldn't say that. harassment? no, i wouldn't say that . i think harassment? no, i wouldn't say that. i think we could harassment? no, i wouldn't say that . i think we could generally that. i think we could generally agree what harassment is. i think personally there's been a sort of culture all authoritarianism brought in here and political opportunism . just

and political opportunism. just in, as lewis has said it, around abortion clinics, you will find abortion clinics, you will find a lot of for instance, elderly ladies . and what they are doing ladies. and what they are doing is praying , well, this clause is praying, well, this clause bans that there have been already. there's a priest being warned by a policeman. he was telling you that with his eyes closed , you've got to stop doing closed, you've got to stop doing this. and if you don't, you'll be arrested. that was silent prayer , you know. so, so . okay. prayer, you know. so, so. okay. so would you agree , though, lord so would you agree, though, lord farmer, that everyone is accepting this idea, as lois has pointed out, that harassment, as we understand it, should not be tolerated at all? absolutely. yeah absolutely right. but what you must understand also there has been harassment the other way and you don't really hear much about that when a woman is going to have an abortion , who going to have an abortion, who who has coerced her into doing it, has the man said, go and get rid of it or has has the mother

said , look, you'll bring shame said, look, you'll bring shame on the family. said, look, you'll bring shame on the family . there is no on the family. there is no opportunity right at the last minute to talk to somebody who can quietly give advice, maybe say, look, actually you might have financial difficulties if you have the that that's that's why you have me here. that's some help. this is what can do. there's good advice and it's bad. all right. but there's also bad. all right. but there's also bad coercion. the other side as well. lois, can i ask you about this? do you accept that some people might say, well, if you are going through an abortion, through that procedure , that through that procedure, that that it can be quite a traumatic event. that it can be quite a traumatic event . and actually, the last event. and actually, the last thing you want is people hanging around the clinic effectively conveying to you the message that what you are doing is morally wrong . well, thankfully, morally wrong. well, thankfully, we've had people who speak out on this who have actually positively received offers of help outside the facility. so we know that it's actually impacted many women's lives positively.

they've spoken out and a campaign group called be here for me that having received that offer of help, whether that's financial support, housing, practical measures like baby supplies, they able to make the empowered choice that they wanted to actually avoid wanted to make to actually avoid abortion a mother on abortion and become a mother on own with their own terms . i own with their own terms. i think it's patronising, honestly, to the government to say to women, you are not allowed to receive this information and make your own mind up about the information that you're allowed to hear on the street. we're going to tell you what you're to listen you what you're able to listen to to and take to or not listen to and take those choices away from you. and that's not right to we know that's not right to all we know from polling that one from bbc polling that one in five who have abortions do five women who have abortions do so against their will. they don't want to. so all these pro—life are doing pro—life organisations are doing are providing alternative offers of help for women who might want them and isn't, but who's to take that away? and the so called pro—choice society. laura palmer can i ask you more broadly about protest? why is there this need for extra legislation when it comes to

this kind of example, but also the environmental activists as well, as you've noted, well, because as you've noted, harassment is already illegal. blocking a is already illegal. why do we need things such as the police crime sentencing the police crime and sentencing bill, which the onus on bill, which puts the onus on police to decide whether a protest should go ahead on how noisy is. do we need noisy it is. why do we need this? know, probably not this? you know, probably not asking the right person, i'm not i don't think we do particularly need it. in fact, as a conservative, i think when we came into power, we said we'd be cutting down on legislation and red tape and, you know, it does seem to me and this a bit controversial, but i think politicians when they get into power that there's a justified buying your existence . so i'm buying your existence. so i'm frankly as in this case the law is there you don't need the buffers the laws that already people are arrested for are harassing women. but as you've said, what will happen is people praying. so that they are protesting side effects. this is

the greatest incursion into civil liberties . we've lowered civil liberties. we've lowered the barrier to the lowest ever. now on this clause, this will be precedent in future in areas of having these powers. and so it's extremely important, actually, that we put a halt to this. that's a very interesting point, lois. and just we do have to wrap up, but i just want to put that to you. you surely it's possible that this kind of legislation, although it currently to women protesting outside clinics that outside abortion clinics that could elsewhere in could be applied elsewhere in future ways that we not future in ways that we may not anticipate it's going through parliament now bonds even expression of opinion outside an abortion , the lowest ever abortion, the lowest ever threshold for speech. let's put that into context. if that was appued that into context. if that was applied to gender thoughts, for example, for gender critical feminists sharing their views on another part of the public street, if they were suddenly that because the government disagreed their they disagreed with their that they had censored that would be had to be censored that would be outrageous. this outrageous. and this is outrageous. and this is outrageous for all. even if outrageous for all. so even if you pro—life , everyone you are pro—life, everyone should be offended by this

incursion on exchange of conversation and thoughts and ideas on the public square. well lewis mcclatchy and obama, thank you both for joining lewis mcclatchy and obama, thank you both forjoining me today. you both for joining me today. really appreciate it it . so really appreciate it it. so after the break, i'm free speech nation. we're going we're going to be answering your unfiltered dilemmas as best we can. i'm going to be looking at what social media has been up to this week. back just in week. so we're back just in a couple of minutes on mark dolan tonight . in couple of minutes on mark dolan tonight. in my big opinion, harry and meghan take a sideswipe at commonwealth. far from being a source shame, it's our proudest achievement in my take it ten, the england players were heroes, but time leave the politics in the dressing room and you might do even better. my guest the former leader of the liberal democrats tim farron. could his party be kingmakers at the next election class? my all star panel and papers. see you .

at nine and welcome to free speech nation. now time for social sensations. this the part of the show that we devote to the world of social media. first up this video went viral. this is moroccan footballer boo file this has gone viral after he was seen dancing with his mother on the field after win against portugal . on that's quite sweet, isn't it? it was was that after the game? that was before, mate. that was before the game. it's just like

just a thing. nothing they do. yeah, it's tradition. yes, they the mums on the field and then they baby dance and then they have a baby dance and then once done the mum dance once they've done the mum dance they in the then they get some in the mood. then go they ready to go out and they ready to conquer. when you that it makes me want to football now it me want to watch football now it sounds great. yeah but mean sounds great. yeah but i mean that's isn't it. it's a lot that's nice isn't it. it's a lot more fun like taking the more fun than like taking the knee like, do mother knee and, like, do a mother dance. yeah. everybody's dance. yeah, yeah. everybody's got to bring that up. but i mean, you don't have a mum, i mean, if you don't have a mum, i guess would be actually guess that would be actually quite not quite tragic. yeah you're not a football are you? yeah. football fan, are you? yeah. did you watch match? no, you watch that match? no, i didn't. i didn't. do you have you watched any of them? no well, is the perfect panel. well, this is the perfect panel. this presumably this for this video. presumably you watch. yes, i did. and you did watch. yes, i did. and this was a good match. morocco deserved to win. oh, morocco did deserved to win. oh, morocco did deserve win. yeah. they deserve to win. yeah. yeah, they did. show because did. it was big show because portugal one of the portugal were one of the favourites had one of the favourites they had one of the icons of world cup, icons of the world cup, cristiano ronaldo, who was pretty the end of his pretty much at the end of his career won one career now and won one particular went viral. particular image went viral. we're the sobbing as we're now the sobbing as portugal lost and him being led away inconsolable tears, which as we all know, is hilarious ,

as we all know, is hilarious, well, i'm sure he could be consoled by his massive fortune . yeah, he's quite rich. isn't that what many? hugely rich. but one of the. one of the main or one of the. one of the main or one of the biggest accolade he can win is the world cup. for many players, it's one chance at immortality yes. and he never got to win . they actually to got to win. they actually get to live forever . they win. yeah, live forever. they win. yeah, that's incredible. great. it's a great sadness, isn't yeah great sadness, isn't it? yeah good how about, you good for them. how about, you know apparently is the know, apparently morocco is the first african nation to reach the . i wonder what the semi—final. i wonder what you from an audience. you go down from an audience. i have be honest . an audience have to be honest. an audience member me that , we went on, member told me that, we went on, but i wanted to say if he was lying by the. because it be not true. yeah it is true. oh it is. i just wanted sound i just wanted to sound knowledgeable . i know knowledgeable about. i know everything about that. yeah all right. up, we've got right. next up, we've got winner. this matt hancock. winner. this is matt hancock. he's been the spotlight so he's been in the spotlight so much and now of course, much lately and now of course, now going to be running now he's not going to be running for parliament is turning his hand to tock. oh, my god. hand to tick tock. oh, my god. i can't believe it's two years ago today we did the first today that we did the first vaccine world in

vaccine in the world in coventry. and then i cried on tv. so embarrassing . so he's tv. so embarrassing. so he's kind of it's going to tick tock now i mean this is going to be his career now, isn't it? basically, yeah, i think so. i think you didn't earn quite a lot from the jungle like it. oh yeah.i lot from the jungle like it. oh yeah. i thought you going to see from london most of the most from london and most of the most of the tory to me of the tory seem to me like millions the lockdowns like millions from the lockdowns like and some, some lords and peers and some, some lords and peers and but, but he and stuff. but, but yeah, he made grand from made 400 grand from from celebrity jungle thing. yes. and he's also going to he's going to do dancing on ice and all the other nonsense. and the beatles are both on what else they've got he's doing. he's releasing an album. i think. no, no, i just made that up. i want him to release an album. phil, david, brent yeah, i think he should do that. what do make of his that. what do you make of his tik channel? have you tik tok channel? have you checked it out? no, i can't say that i have. i, i really despise matt hancock. he was the minister health during the minister of health during the pandemic now turned pandemic and he's now turned himself this kind of quasi celebrity joke figure and. it's

all really ironic, i thought. you can see kwarteng . well, it's you can see kwarteng. well, it's but i find it just really distasteful, fun being on a stage by you turning into a celebrity, maybe to do with that £400,000 you mentioned. yeah yeah. he's decided he wants money , people not hating him . money, people not hating him. whereas if you're an mp you get not that much money relative to, you know, elite classes and everybody hates you . well, i everybody hates you. well, i don't hate him. i don't know him. i you know. i just give people the benefit of the doubt and then maybe he's a nice guy now you going to set up a tick tock channel and i'm not going near tick tock. no have you got a tick tock account? no, no i'm too i'm too old. exactly but at the yeah there is that. the core. oh yeah there is that. it's for teenagers. it's mostly for teenagers. yeah. finally one. this is finally we got this one. this is a dog that's viral on twitter. let's look .

let's have a look. so this is what it looks like when you haven't seen snow before. and that's the dog. they're very excited. i've just heard that. it is now snowing outside as well. breaking news there. so there'll be lots people. they're going to be excited. isn't excited. this is sweet, isn't it? lovely. and it's it? nice it's lovely. and it's one my favourite dogs. it's a one of my favourite dogs. it's a shiba oh, i've never heard shiba inu. oh, i've never heard of those. yeah, this is japanese shiba inu. oh, i've never heard of it'sse. yeah, this is japanese shiba inu. oh, i've never heard of it's a. yeah, this is japanese shiba inu. oh, i've never heard of it's a nice h, this is japanese shiba inu. oh, i've never heard of it's a nice dog. s is japanese shiba inu. oh, i've never heard of it's a nice dog. yeahapanese shiba inu. oh, i've never heard of it's a nice dog. yeah itanese shiba inu. oh, i've never heard of it's a nice dog. yeah it isese of it's a nice dog. yeah it is a decent dog. we a hot take decent dog. we have a hot take on that dog with you. yeah, it might look cute, but that's actually the sort of the, the in—built punch in—built behaviour to punch through to get devolves through the snow to get devolves in small creatures underneath. so it's actually by so it's actually driven by bloodlust. just ruined bloodlust. okay this just ruined that very video us . that very sweet video for us. now we do have just think we've just got time to talk through some of unfiltered dilemmas . some of unfiltered dilemmas. we've got this one in from dick via email, and dick says, my wife of many years has joined the ladies walking group. i and supported this for exercise. why the social contact etc. i like that you give people reasons for offering support, but it's clear that as a result she's neglecting her wifely duties . i

neglecting her wifely duties. i fear that as a result she may be heanng fear that as a result she may be hearing the views of ladies with more radical views claire. clearly, i should have anticipated and planned for this unintended consequence . did not. unintended consequence. did not. so worried your wife so you're worried that your wife might be being radicalised by a ladies group ? a ladies walking group? a legitimate concern? well, i'm too. shamima begum yes, i'm just a similar slippery slope. yeah and she started as a rambler. and she started as a rambler. and look at the. yeah, i mean, everybody wants their wife to exercise obviously, but yeah, like you when, when women meet in groups the they can and that should minimised if possible. okay oh you know laws from our i blame this gentleman because if you refer to sex as wifely due taste then i thought he meant something different . no. okay, something different. no. okay, fine. but that's me . am i naive fine. but that's me. am i naive then ? my wife. anyway, thank you then? my wife. anyway, thank you for joining for free speech nation. this was the week, of course. short man syndrome was proved to be real. so that's a big breaking news this week. thank you so to my panel, thank you so much to my panel, leo kearse and frances foster ,

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of freezing fog that may cause some travel disruption in tomorrow morning. a mostly dry start tomorrow for northern england , though, with some england, though, with some patches of freezing fog as well as icy stretches on, roads and pavements across wales. tomorrow morning it will be cold, an icy with patches of mist and freezing fog. it will also be mostly dry, though there may be the shower for northern the odd shower for northern coasts , a mostly dry start coasts, a mostly dry start across the midlands . there may across the midlands. there may be the odd wintry shower the far east. patches of , freezing fog east. patches of, freezing fog and icy stretches also make for difficult travelling . there may difficult travelling. there may be some isolated wintry across east anglia tomorrow . morning east anglia tomorrow. morning will also be a cold start with icy stretches on roads potentially causing travel disruption during the rush hour overnight. wintry showers still unger overnight. wintry showers still linger in the far south—east of england tomorrow morning. there may be some lying snow in places thaticy may be some lying snow in places that icy stretches may lead to travel delays cold with any freezing fog , patches lingering freezing fog, patches lingering for much of the morning . wintry

for much of the morning. wintry showers will continue for some coastal regions and that is how the weather is shaping up during morning .

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