richard tice. let me stand real richard tice. let me stand against keir starmer and i will beat him hands down. but it's life beat him hands down. but it's life and times . ken clarke yeah life and times. ken clarke yeah . truss you say that a prime minister in these two years, did you feel four for liz truss .7 i you feel four for liz truss? i feel personally sorry for andrew fallen out with us. she's i was amazed. absolutely i was quite surprised. she got to the cabinet, utterly amazed that she came. prime minister plus the real me with the mp for redditch, rachel mclean i honestly did she went greenham common i burned my bra and i on the marches but it's your news . the marches but it's your news. good evening. i'm tatiana sanchez in the gb newsroom a number of people are believed to be in a critical condition after being pulled from a lake in solihull , west midlands police solihull, west midlands police describe the incident to serious

, saying emergency services at baps mill park in king's hurst the fire service says reports the scene and videos on media indicate . people have been indicate. people have been playing on the ice and had fallen through. we'll have more on this story as we get it. police in jersey say people are now confirmed to , have died in now confirmed to, have died in yesterday's explosion . st yesterday's explosion. st heuen yesterday's explosion. st helier. a blast ripped through a three storey block of flats in the capital in the early hours of the morning. around ten residents are still thought to be missing jersey. authorities have said the recovery operation will take not days. the chief of jersey police robin smith says sadly more fatalities are expected . we are not going to be expected. we are not going to be here for days. we are to be here for weeks . and it it's important for weeks. and it it's important that i make that clear. for weeks. and it it's important that i make that clear . this that i make that clear. this morning i spoke to the family liaison coordinator who described me the feelings of

those families . and i am really, those families. and i am really, really keen to ensure that everybody understands the emotions that they currently going going through . so this is going going through. so this is not going to happen quickly. it's to happen carefully and. it's to happen carefully and. it's going to happen sensitively . the man accused making the bomb that caused the lockerbie disaster is now in us custody . disaster is now in us custody. 270 people were killed when a device detonated on a pan am flight 103 in december 1988. the justice department says libyan abu masood, who is believed to be third conspirator of the terrorist attack, will make an initial appearance in a federal court in washington . the nurses court in washington. the nurses union offered to press pause on strike action if the government agrees, hold talks on pay . the agrees, hold talks on pay. the royal college of nursing has accused the health secretary of failing to negotiate properly , failing to negotiate properly, and thousands of members are now

planning to walk out on the 15th and 20th of december. but writing in the sun, steve barclay warned the action will cause significant risk to patients and added the door remains open for further. patients and added the door remains open for further . but he remains open for further. but he didn't say whether would be part of that discussion . meanwhile, of that discussion. meanwhile, postal workers are staging fresh strikes today. the communication union says the action could risk a christmas meltdown . more a christmas meltdown. more strikes are planned over the next couple of weeks, which the unions warned will create a huge backlog of post. royal mail says money allocated to the pay deal could be eaten away by the costs . a further action . the cold . a further action. the cold snap which has been causing travel disruption is expected to continue throughout the week . continue throughout the week. snow and ice has hit large of the uk and the met office says overnight frost is until at least next. a yellow alert for andiceis

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next hour hour . and looking next hour hour. and looking ahead to this evening's weather uk is looking cold with freezing and a risk of wintry showers in places. let's take a look at details. wintry continuing a northern coast this evening some possible snow showers over high , clear skies further west but patchy, freezing fog in the east and a widespread frost a band of wintry showers in the southeast bringing some snow inland later. elsewhere, a widespread frost and patchy freezing once again dry with mostly clear skies this evening in south wales, a few wintry possible at western coast , light winds and a widespread frost expected there to staying mostly dry across the midlands later. although a few wintry showers are possible in the south. there are skies north. the widespread frost again , the widespread frost again, patchy mist and freezing fog in the remaining across much of

northern england . although a few northern england. although a few isolated wintry showers are possible at times . below. possible at times. below. freezing. patchy. moscow freezing. patchy. moscow freezing fog once again at a cold evening in scotland . the cold evening in scotland. the continued risk of sleet and snow . clear skies further southward spread, frost, temperatures dropping tonight and, staying dry for much of northern ireland . evening wintry showers continuing to affect northern and eastern coasts . clearer and eastern coasts. clearer skies further west and a mostly dry night for the entire uk. wintry showers confined to the coasts. widespread frost freezing fog. by monday morning and that's how today's cold weather is shaping up for you today. weather is shaping up for you today . richard tice today. richard tice leader of the reform party can a bit of politics, a bit of personal in this interview. thank you for joining . thank you for having joining. thank you for having me. so i've been doing lots of cuttings, searches and reading various articles .

cuttings, searches and reading various articles. i'm not really caught me off guard. this morning. did you ever share a flat with kate moss? there was all sorts of rumours . the answer all sorts of rumours. the answer is no. oh happened to clarify. how did you know kate moss ? how did you know kate moss? apparently entered your stories a long time ago. oh you're going to be keeping cagey . well oh, to be keeping cagey. well oh, come on. i've got scale. you can you can still . as a rumour. it you can still. as a rumour. it was a rumour viciously by all sorts of people having fun. but you have met her? i have met her. more than once. but i didn't share a flat with her. okay. the intrigue continues . okay. the intrigue continues. right. okay. so let's get on to politics. you were a longstanding member of the conservative party. i was . you conservative party. i was. you left in 2012? yes and then rejoined and then left again. i did you say you left in 2012? under david cameron? yes. i said i would rejoin. he left. he

left. it was in 16. and so i rejoined . and then i left again rejoined. and then i left again in 19. and he went to join the brexit party as it launched. yes. so that was obviously a moment. and now you at the you were leader of reform party . is were leader of reform party. is it fair to say your party is on the right of politics, but you are on right? yes it is. but some of our policies are what i would call common sense policies in a sense , they span the in a sense, they span the divide. i think politics is shifting anyway. and the old sort of left and right people actually just want good common policies that work . so, for policies that work. so, for example , we've got a massive example, we've got a massive energy crisis . some of our energy crisis. some of our energy crisis. some of our energy and utility policies . energy and utility policies. even keir starmer doesn't agree with it. i think for example, we should have public ownership of 50% of some of our monopoly companies, 50% owned by british pension funds . starmer doesn't

pension funds. starmer doesn't agree with that. so i'd lapse to the left of him . so it's a range the left of him. so it's a range . our policies are what i think works the country forget ideology . it's what's right for ideology. it's what's right for the british people , ordinary the british people, ordinary families up and down the country . but if we just take your history and we accept that it has always been on the right, the difficulty that you as a party face is that you've said you're going to stand at the next election . everyone, next election. everyone, everywhere you the danger, at least, is that you will make the election of a labour government on the left more likely? no there's a couple of things here, which is that firstly, vote for what you believe in, not what you're afraid of . secondly, and you're afraid of. secondly, and i knew the first person i've said to , this but the simple said to, this but the simple fact is in 2019 we stood down, we allowed the conservative party to get a thumping majority in order to, run the country properly to get done, to do it

properly to get done, to do it properly and more of it done . properly and more of it done. they've ruined the economy. they haven't done brexit properly. our public services, our state, frankly . they've had their frankly. they've had their chance. frankly. they've had their chance . they've blown it. chance. they've blown it. they've missed . they've made they've missed. they've made lives worse . we stood down them. lives worse. we stood down them. now the right thing. now for the country. not them as a party. the right thing for a country is for them to stand . stand aside. for them to stand. stand aside. let stand against keir starmer and will beat him hands down. they've the chance they blown it . they've had 12 years and the country's in the worst ever. someone told me yesterday it's worse than in the late seventies . so the old thing of if you if you stand against them, you'll split the vote, you'll let labour in, and that'll be worse. nothing be worse than what this conservative party has done to our country in recent . so our country in recent. so they've blown it . they should they've blown it. they should stand aside. let me on keir

starmer and i want two hands down. with the benefit of hindsight , then standing, hindsight, then standing, standing as you did in 2019, in 317 seats, you did the same in the batley and spen election. you did that promote the conservatives to consumption a helping hand . was that mistake helping hand. was that mistake in 90? look the alternative was jeremy corbyn, which was a show and through gritted teeth we had to sure that brexit was done. yeah we've done it really badly , portrayed it, but the reason for batley and spen was actually knew that by—election would be a horror show. it was. we wanted nothing to do with it. it wasn't to help with conservatives. i just knew it would be an absolute horror. and i was right . have you said where you're going be standing when i'm going to be standing when i'm standing in hartlepool, we started canvassing , standing in hartlepool, we started canvassing, campaigning there. just delivered our there. we just delivered our first everywhere. but first leaflet everywhere. but hartlepool is going to be a two horse race between . the labour horse race between. the labour party and myself . we're going

party and myself. we're going for it hard and i'm very confident that i can . and that's confident that i can. and that's taking a labour. so you still in the market for in fact it's a conservative. it is because for one it back in may 21, it's one of those red wall policies that would need to because that really was as heartland as it gets the labour party. yeah. so you're standing in hartlepool . i you're standing in hartlepool. i saw a list of some of the seats that you standing in. it's all your priority is not something . your priority is not something. is that right ? i think like is that right? i think like molly east was the same thing. mansfield was in the i think from memory bolsover was you. yeah, that's right. sort of laboun yeah, that's right. sort of labour. industrial heartland towns, right. strong brexit , towns, right. strong brexit, great parts . this country having great parts. this country having been let down by both main parties . you know labour let parties. you know labour let down those constituencies for decades. down those constituencies for decades . right. and down those constituencies for decades. right. and and the tories came in and they promised

a level up and they done nothing. absolutely nothing. these are, these are constituencies that actually benefit from the energy that we have under our feet. the coal the gas, the oil . they the gas, the oil. they understand what makes britain tick and makes britain competitive, the manufacturing industry. they've all been let down. how many general candidates have been selected ? candidates have been selected? roughly? i don't expect you to. so as we speak, i've got about 600 of which we've allocated , 600 of which we've allocated, give or take, just under half. so we're well on the way now with two years ahead. and obviously for personal reasons some people come and go, but we're well on the way. we're being inundate it is with applicants to be candidates obviously have to through the obviously have to go through the vetting the good stuff . vetting process the good stuff. yeah and then we've had an absolute surge of members join us in recent weeks we've had over seven and a half thousand literally since liz truss left office . when you think about the office. when you think about the candidates , you going to stand? candidates, you going to stand? do you care a consideration the

gender the ethnicity, any of those consideration that actually you know a sort of mainstream politics and parliament think is a should be a consideration for up until you know one's you. but the reality is the most important thing is that a candidate's got a connection with the constituency with a boomer they live there their work , whatever those are their work, whatever those are their work, whatever those are the really key things. so that they understand the constituency andifs they understand the constituency and it's a bit of a juggling act, obviously, but we're working very hard on and by doing it early , we're well on doing it early, we're well on the case and hopefully the jigsaw will sort of work out . jigsaw will sort of work out. you know, there's always a few last minute bits, the jigsaw, what you're trying to fit in, but that's how it works. the but that's how it works. and the vetting process so that to look out for things like you've just got to do the stuff and every party you always end up with one or two horror shows. it just happens. yeah, but we're doing the we can , you know, it's the best we can, you know, it's social media, it's they've written, you know, they've said stuff, horrific written stuff, stuff horrific written bad stuff. and you have to look

back a long way. okay, so that's just in this up, there's a cost , a process to it, but it's important to do so. you you most of your life life business you're now in frontline politics. you are the leader of , a political party standing seats and starting candidates every seat at the next election. what level of abuse. have you had since becoming a frontline politician. that's a really good question. know in the in the european elections was extraordinary. we were holding rallies in the were placards racists. i thought wow so i'm pretty grim actually and but you just you've been a politician you understand it you just develop a certain sort of cleverness to the skin and let it bounce off try not to look at social. also i can do with the worst but really for the

children and the extended family who may be fortunate or less fortunate to share the things name and then they sort of join the dots. and how old are your kids? my kids. they're all now in the early give or take the almost all of the payroll and but they're doing great. yeah you just have your mum and dad not. no both passed away in recent years. mom passed away actually in middle of the european election campaign in 19 which as you can imagine, i mean, that campaign was was insane. mean, that campaign was was insane . we were everywhere. and insane. we were everywhere. and it was a really difficult time because mom passed away and then we had the funeral during the middle, the campaign. and it was a it was a moment really. i couldn't, i couldn't stop. and so my brother and sister did a brilliant job dealing with everything that had to be dealt with. but for me, it was a it was full ahead. so it was was full steam ahead. so it was a difficult time. you went to your mum's funeral? yes, i did.

yes it was sort of . so it's yes it was sort of. so it's always a horror , absolute always a horror, absolute horrendous time and doing that , horrendous time and doing that, the middle of a full blown campaign that was the only jail took off in campaign. and i can see. and i don't want to make you upset, but i can that it's yeah it was a it was a tough get tough have you graves you still angry feel it's a really good question and each i would say is the answer each it comes and it goes yeah yeah . oh thank you. goes yeah yeah. oh thank you. thank you. it's not easy. i lost my dad in the summer. it's not easy to go through these things . let's end on something lighter than that. we've had quite a few prime ministers you've got to have a drink, boris johnson, liz truss or sunak who are you going to you can invite to your party. it's the party. great question actually actually it's a really good catch. his whole answer the answers probably aren't invited

. all three, but i'm not sure any of them would come. be honest, little can be a little bit with me. probably i'm not on top of the christmas card list. it's just this really labour mp that eating round excellent. labour mp is like your good self. no, actually i there are some there's some really well—meaning people from all the parties actually think most people go into politics wanting to try and do some good and we disagree on policies. to try and do some good and we disagree on policies . the to try and do some good and we disagree on policies. the most important thing is that we be agreeable about how we disagree. and i think the sadness is in too many now that actually isn't the case. and you know, when i do and stuff i do talk show it's a it's family hard now to get employees from other parties to even come on the show and talk and i think that's a shame. have you ever been scared by the way

we talked about abuse and sort of in your role in politics? oh, not like watching a horror movie . you talked about the abuse, talked about placards that you saw. have you ever felt in intimidators? yeah, it's a good question. not yet , right? question. not yet, right? mercifully, let us hope. never happens. there was the slightly case of a cyclist who came cycling past me as a walking down the streets couple of years ago in london. i was talking to ago in london. i was talking to a homeless chap and the cyclist shouted , stab him, stab him, shouted, stab him, stab him, stab , saying the homeless stab, saying the homeless gentleman should stab me. i was , what's the point of all this? i mean, know, we've just got a view and it's politics. we're all trying to say, well we think the country should be run better this or that way. i guess he this way or that way. i guess he didn't agree with brexit and finally, finally . so how well do finally, finally. so how well do you know kate moss . i do. okay you know kate moss. i do. okay it's nice . i really enjoyed the

it's nice. i really enjoyed the it's nice. i really enjoyed the i really enjoyed the chat. thank you and you know, good luck with with moving on from life to losing your mum. it's something that happens to a lot of people it shows that we're human beings and we all go through this whatever politics or opposition that. whatever politics or opposition that . thank whatever politics or opposition that. thank you very much. it's been to be thank been great to be with. thank you. up, it's life and you. coming up, it's life and times ken clarke . so the times with ken clarke. so the idea of . the house of lords and idea of. the house of lords and replacing it with an elected institute and with proper parliament mandatory powers, not a weak i'm in favour of that have been throughout my entire political career quite a few things after. coming up, rachel mclean . the prevalence of . so mclean. the prevalence of. so i think that's a brilliant first step because i do that young men now and young women and girls and children are growing up and seeing this stuff and they're thinking it's normal .

and ken clarke, a pleasure to be in your home. thank you for having us. you held some big offices of state chancellor of the exchequer , secretary, health the exchequer, secretary, health secretary. you had big jobs . but secretary. you had big jobs. but i think you got relatively good press for a senior politician. i mean, no one really gets a good press as a as major politician. but you people were kinder to you and liked you more than most. how did you do it? well, i can't speak about any personal popularity. i have at times. i was hugely unpopular. politics is a terribly rollercoaster thing, and you have to take tough, difficult decisions . and tough, difficult decisions. and the public are against changing anything for or against ministers upsetting . so i wound. ministers upsetting. so i wound. i was lucky . usually it ministers upsetting. so i wound. i was lucky. usually it ends in

tears but i actually had a very successful last big job. it wasn't my last job in government i was in the cameron clegg coalition government and in that cabinet . but the coalition government and in that cabinet. but the major government was in tatters , had government was in tatters, had been torn apart by europeans and ridiculous civil warfare . but ridiculous civil warfare. but but but the economy . i got it but but the economy. i got it out of the end of a recession . out of the end of a recession. the 1990s recession on to the start of the bit a little bit but it was still we've still in a bad way when i took over and i got i got growth low inflation the economy was doing well blair and gordon brown had to fight the election saying they weren't going to change economic policy made a slogan that they would stick with my figures on tax and spending and i therefore came out of being chancellor very popular. now you go back to when i was at the health department.

there were times i was deep unpopular . there were times i was deep unpopular. the there were times i was deep unpopular . the battle with the unpopular. the battle with the bma with them launching all kinds attacks on my reforms . kinds attacks on my reforms. they tried to resist very personalised attacks and bma was quite nastiest and least really nasty union. many i had fights better at worst time when i had a seven month ambulance strike and we gave the country a much better ambulance service with . a better ambulance service with. a strike was effective by bringing in the army, but that was huge , in the army, but that was huge, unpopular with the public and i, i really was deep deeply unpopular then. so it was a bit of luck that i on a particularly high note, i mean with hindsight , no one ever made the slightest attempt to reverse my health reforms and the government which was really was a conservative government , tony, was a great government, tony, was a great admirer of thatcher. thatcher government actually . they just government actually. they just carried on my health and that as

we went over by then . but yeah, we went over by then. but yeah, i did manage to finish on a high note when i was chancellor. we, we got used to about 3% growth and 2% inflation in living standards continued to rise into the 2000. this was long as they stuck my policies. you stood to be conservative leader three times. that's a record it always saves the only bad habits i've ever given the family of the conservative. how much did it hurt not being conservative? it didn't hurt. funnily enough . i didn't hurt. funnily enough. i didn't hurt. funnily enough. i didn't know wasn't in that regard . i just it just happened regard. i just it just happened . i you know, i look at looking back , i didn't i very much back, i didn't i very much wanted . to be leader and to wanted. to be leader and to really have the chance of being prime minister and i think i was expected to believe there is some stage surprise that i win,

particularly when we made this change , gave the paid up change, gave the paid up members, the say. and i'd with the members of parliament. but they voted for a chap called in duncan smith because they thought i was too pro—europe in and that was that was that was a bit of a blow but no was not personally hurt by it i just tookitin personally hurt by it i just took it in my stride i've been in politics long enough then to realise that you know the events do actually constantly take you by surprise . and i probably by surprise. and i probably thought might have another go sometime by my last go, you know it was after that. well i bit i knew by then it was a bit an adventure but i stood against cameron. yeah but that was the one i where i did least. well came in. i think that. yeah yeah we've had a lot of conservative prime ministers in the last few

months we used not used you to change quite so frequently and. that's a habit maybe they should give up. it's a very very bad habit. you, you can't anything in any political office do have at least about two years in it. if you if you do have an agenda of your own and you want to change for what you think is a better the circus of politics the last six years is farcical and a little low. the depths of us have been reached . in the us have been reached. in the last six months until rishi took oven last six months until rishi took over. yeah liz truss, you say that a prime minister needs two years. did you feel personally a four for liz truss ? i feel four for liz truss? i feel personally sorry for andrew fallen out with us . i was fallen out with us. i was amazed. absolutely amazed. i was quite surprised. she got to the cabinet utterly amazed that she prime minister but then i have neven prime minister but then i have never, ever voted for the person who won the leadership mean

either in the labour party at any time in my life until the last one i did support rishi. right, okay. coming more from him after the break. it was like even into my eighties. now i my lifestyle is . but he didn't lifestyle is. but he didn't glutes certainly a good stiff whisky or a good stiff brandy as a nightcap .

then of course, boris johnson , then of course, boris johnson, he suspended the whip, the conservative whip from you a number of slightly by accident. he he was wanted to purge the party of the younger people who to have voted with me. he broke lots of three line whips on european other direction . and european other direction. and the 21 accord were voted on. but it was the brexit in that dreadful brexit crisis which was very bad for the country.

dreadful brexit crisis which was very bad for the country . and he very bad for the country. and he of all people suddenly decided . of all people suddenly decided. and one of the three long waves to take the whip away everybody his targets amber rudd and david lidington . then the people who lidington. then the people who were going to be the future leadership of the party. his so he got me slightly by accident because neither i was voted with whatever it was but nobody bothered chief whip then and now the then it's still a friend of i didn't very well he told me he was taking the whip away . no one was taking the whip away. no one ever wrote to me. i read in the newspapers. i'd lost the whip carried on as before he offered me a peerage . i was retiring me a peerage. i was retiring already , so it didn't make any already, so it didn't make any difference to me. i announced my retirement the next election i stood down. it was the peerage and everybody assumed i'd take the conservative whip in, the house of lords, which i do now. i'm a lifelong mainstream tory, was just a minor incident to my

political career. yes. and as you say you're in the lords now this week, keir starmer has said if he wins , the lords will go. if he wins, the lords will go. would you vote to abolish . oh would you vote to abolish. oh yes, i've always i've always saluted that decision. typically given politics has now become populist , polarised western populist, polarised western democracies do even seriously . democracies do even seriously. it's not working properly . it's not working properly. neither is most of the western democracy in the present. angry mood of protest and populism swept america's worst . and we swept america's worst. and we are and you need a strong elected upper the senate . i elected upper the senate. i quite like your out around the house of lords but it was a bizarre in i my friends find it difficult to get me persuaded to take it very seriously . and take it very seriously. and certainly if you prime ministers like boris johnson you know the slightest edges it much like the

commons and we do need stronger parliamentary institutions so . parliamentary institutions so. theidea parliamentary institutions so. the idea of abolishing the house of lords and replace it with an elective institution. we've proper parliamentary powers and not a weak one. i i'm entirely in favour of that have been throughout my entire political career quite a few conservatives. so now our your your your memoir, your autobiography , a kind of, kind autobiography, a kind of, kind of bloke and there's lots of interesting political stuff but there was there was a personal anecdote about well i'll read out in your memoir you wrote i've been drinking ever since i was at school and i've not had a day without drink since is that still the case? oops probably true. yes i probably drink less now than i used to drink less

than i did when i was a teenager . uh, but i'm leaving that aside, and i didn't drink more than the normal. i've never had a drink problem. no no. but you like a drink. but the whip's office that i was in was just my first government job. it was pretty hard drinking the parliament. parliament? 50 years ago. it was a more hard drinking institution that is now . so institution that is now. so i but i socially a drink . now as i but i socially a drink. now as i get older less far less beer than i used to. but i'm afraid i still before going to bed at night and i now go to bed very late at night and just in my old age it's a late night whisky or late night brandy with a havana cigar. before i finally go to bed , i try to make the time. bed, i try to make the time. i go bed and my hours of living in tune with the rest of the human race. but i find i get to make nature and up later as i even getting into by eighties now i'm

my lifestyle is changing but includes certainly a good stiff whisky or a good stiff as a nightcap a red wine. when i'm eating . but i only have one meal eating. but i only have one meal a day. oh and a couple glasses of wine. a good meal . a day. oh and a couple glasses of wine. a good meal. i a day. oh and a couple glasses of wine. a good meal . i have one of wine. a good meal. i have one good meal and then i fruit or something for the rest of the day. but by, i mean you know i was a butterball when i was chelsea, this chef everybody was in those days. nigel lawson and norman lamont got as fat as i did when i them . and if did when i followed them. and if i was shadow of the man i was and just really what moves the appetisers get older and i want good meal a day and it really is i find i feel hungry i love you lose your wife of 51 years jillian . in 2015 seven years yes jillian. in 2015 seven years yes i just want continue to go a long a grieving process. well no

i don't i don't i don't claim that i because i to be reminded of which i of course remind myself i'm forgotten. it or anything like that i thought would be extraordinary. no, it was was a terrible blow. never crossed mind that . i would crossed mind that. i would outlive her. i assumed she'd outlive her. i assumed she'd outlive me. she her life was less bad. the mind . although she less bad. the mind. although she was a huge, huge importance to my way of life and gave me a real family life and. kept me, kept me sane in a normal in the middle of all the extraordinary we were in the middle of because of my job and she handled it well. pauline problem of being politician's wife . uh just. she politician's wife. uh just. she just did it did did she? got it. i stopped making jokes about her

being a one parent family , being a one parent family, bringing up my children because she was. they saw me weekend when they were lucky at the height of my career and i used to insist on taking the whole of august trying to vanish somewhere in europe to actually spend the month living with my family and just being a photographer really meant i always got called in crises. but anyway won't go on about it. but you know she she she she she kept me a human being . she gave kept me a human being. she gave me normality in life and she terribly terrible misfortune that she was unlucky to have an illness. and then she died. what wouldn't be when we were children. but but nowadays today in your is unlucky certainly particularly for a woman and here we are seven years later i

remember gratitude as well as above all with great affection we made our golden wedding got 50 years and it's a lovely note to end on ken clock thank you for . reflecting on a massive for. reflecting on a massive political career, it's pleasure to be in the company of such a giant of politics. thank you. we been very political . coming up, been very political. coming up, is the redditch mp and vice chair of the conservative party, rachel mclean. is when i came into , i thought i wanted to into, i thought i wanted to dress like an mp. now which is a bit of a. and then i sort of realised oh i don't need to do that. realised oh i don't need to do that . and looking ahead this that. and looking ahead this evening's weather the uk coking with freezing fog and risk of wintry showers in places . let's wintry showers in places. let's take a look at the details . take a look at the details. wintry showers continuing northern coast this evening. some possible snow showers over high ground clearance skies further west, but patchy fog in

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dry night for the entire uk. wintry showers confined to the coasts , widespread frost and coasts, widespread frost and freezing fog by monday morning. and that's how today's very cold weather shaping up for you today

rachel mclean, you're now vice chair of the conservative party. when did you realise you were a conservative? have you always voted for the conservative party? well, certainly the truth and this is actually not a secret, my colleagues do know this. no in my younger days, i was very briefly a member of the socialist workers party . really? socialist workers party. really? yes. yes. when i was a student . yes. yes. when i was a student. i became a conservative when i started my own business. and i realised that how do we actually generate all the money and the resource investment that we need to pay for everything that comes from businesses, people starting businesses and paying wages so

that their employees can pay tax. and it was that and it wasn't until my early thirties i actually became a conservative. wow i want to know more about rachel as a member of the socialist workers party. so you at university? yes. did you sell at university? yes. did you sell a paper? no, but i went to marches . i honestly did. she marches. i honestly did. she went to greenham common. i burned my bra and i went on the marches . yeah, i did all of that marches. yeah, i did all of that a lot, actually. also went on because i was a psychology student and in those days they actually they were just phasing out some of the animal experiments. but i did go on like demos to stop them experiments on animals when i was a student at uni. so, yes, i've had a very chequered past. you know, when they ask your selection to fight, do you want to be? have you got anything? yes, but you always say that. well, i said no and i've got loads and i've told them. you told this is full disclosure. i have told my colleagues in the tea room they thought that was

quite hilarious. did you ever. lots of marches. did you ever take more direct action ? i think take more direct action? i think we did try to actually go and liberate the monkeys , me and my liberate the monkeys, me and my friend liz. and we went round the back of the psychology building and we couldn't find them. they were all locked up so that about the of it. that was about the size of it. yeah but no . other than that. yeah but no. other than that. no, just. just marching and protest sort thing . protest and that sort of thing. gosh, that is the most dangerous thing i've ever had. burning your bra just. i've got to ask. so that was a symbol of what it was. feminism, one of women's. yeah, it was the common. you remember the great common protest. and in those days, it was literally women only. you could not. so there were lots of women there were friendlies. again liz, if you're listening. that she was like, let's go to great in common. there was a few of us when we went on the bus all the way from uni and they were there all in the camp site with the little benders and everything. it was like big everything. it was like a big thing at time. i mean, thing at the time. i mean, it must been or something

must have been 18 or something and was just women there and it was just women there camping, cooking, and a lot of them, i remember them saying, well, i've got a little boy, but i couldn't him, you know, i couldn't bring him, you know, they mums but they couldn't they were mums but they couldn't bnng they were mums but they couldn't bring was bring so it was, it was literally think was like literally i think it was like a two year old and someone said you to, know, send you you need to, you know, send you away it's women because it away now it's women because it was women only it was a women only space. and did literally only space. and we did literally the i don't think the work. i don't think i actually bra at the actually burned my bra at the time it would have been time because it would have been a uncomfortable go round. a bit uncomfortable to go round. but i remember camping that i remember helping cook. remember like helping to cook. we a big kind of we did have a big kind of meeting . we sort of we got meeting. we all sort of we got in a circle and there was singing. it was actually a lovely experience. so it was a long time ago , but it made a big long time ago, but it made a big impression on me. that's really fascinating . thank you. how fascinating. thank you. how interesting . i'm sticking with interesting. i'm sticking with with women actually were you have a foreign minister to very recently for victims and safeguards . yeah. violence safeguards. yeah. violence against women girls was in your

brief . what did you learn about brief. what did you learn about the danger? i guess to women and girls. what what would you recognise as the biggest danger that women and girls face? so i think all of us women doesn't matter how old you are or what walk of life you're in, that's just part of your daily experience . it's and you kind of experience. it's and you kind of take it for granted almost that you have to do certain things, behave in a certain way to look after yourself . and i suppose in after yourself. and i suppose in after yourself. and i suppose in a sense , i've raised my daughter a sense, i've raised my daughter to be a very strong woman, but there's still that additional fear over where is she and who she with and how is she going to get home? more so than the boys . but what i learned when i became actually a minister responsible for it was that, first of all, it's every woman will feel that doesn't really matter how old they are or or where they live . i mean, a lot where they live. i mean, a lot of men and boys fairly as well as let's be clear. but they also

impacts on some groups in society more than others, of course. i mean, if you're someone that can't afford a car, you know, do have to go you know, if you do have to go on public transport, if you are working you know, you working shifts, you know, if you are caring for people, then of course is going to impact course it is going to impact more you. that was what more on you. so that was what really came me. that's really came over me. and that's where i it was obviously where i felt it was obviously our responsibility as a government to make sure that everybody matter who everybody doesn't matter who they safe . and that they are, feel safe. and that for , and it's not just about for me, and it's not just about all the important things, it is about work. and of course , in about work. and of course, in studying , it's about studying and college, it's about that. and of course, the online space. but me, it's also space. but for me, it's also about all those normal things like actually just going out of a night and going out to a club or a disco. i mean, when i was youngen or a disco. i mean, when i was younger, well, did you used to go a right? let my hair go out a lot, right? let my hair down. let's get drunk and do all those things. it's what we do . those things. it's what we do. nighty night. oh, you go to a party. you know, you. you don't think about it, you come out. it's a in middle of it's three a in the middle of birmingham. i going to birmingham. am i going to get home? four women home? and that for four women now is just a worry because

there's so many more risks in that environment. i think that environment. i just think it's because think it's wrong because i think that's of passage that's a natural rite of passage growing up it's those growing up. it's doing those things. it's having fun with your friends and having like a normal going normal life, going to a festival, do that festival, being able to do that without attacked. what do without being attacked. what do we about it? some people say we do about it? some people say that there's a spectrum there. it starts with catcalling , wolf it starts with catcalling, wolf whistling, and it can escalate something along the way. you might stop flashing and then it gets something much more dangerous , that there is a dangerous, that there is a continuum. there and that one thing to do is to have misogyny as a hate crime. oh, but that might not be your solution. is there something that you do think is a is a solution? yeah. i mean, i think there's a lot of debate in this space. and i think the online space i just referred prevalence of . referred to, the prevalence of. i mean, we're discussing this yesterday in the online safety bill. think that's a bill. so i think that's a brilliant first step because i do know that young men now and young women and girls and children and children are growing up and seeing this stuff and they're

thinking it's normal. it's a very small steps to go from very few small steps to go from , you know, stuff that you think everyone's looking at. it's all right. normal of right. it's a normal part of teenage experimentation and to quite extreme and violent and abusive things. so we do need to sort that out. but your wider question about what do we do on the streets? i think the government actually is doing a lot of very good. thank you. and i've spoken these in the i've spoken about these in the past. you've you've kindly past. and you've you've kindly have show. we've done have me on your show. we've done a huge amount of work in the violence women girls violence against women and girls space prime space and successive prime ministers home secretaries ministers and home secretaries pushed . there's a lot of work pushed it. there's a lot of work we do. you know, it we need to do. you know, it starts with education. it starts with of stuff with the sort of stuff you're seeing now on the tube. have you seen campaign posters? seen enough campaign posters? they're actually brilliant because don't because it's saying, we don't accept normal to accept this. it's not normal to behave on the street. behave like this on the street. it's like pressing against it's about like pressing against like woman. some men like against a woman. some men use of very tight space of an underground carriage to press up against. yeah, yeah. and also the kind of domestic abuse, the dynamic have got dynamic that if you have got a friend or a partner and you see this kind of behaviour, this

dynamic of coercive control, that kind of behaviour that isn't a normal relationship , isn't a normal relationship, that's not a sign that, oh, we just love you, you know, this is wrong and you can actually call it out you can get help for it out and you can get help for that person. it's about that person. so it's about raising across the raising awareness across the whole of society. so i don't think it should left to women think it should be left to women to it. it be society to fix it. it should be society as whole that fixes have as a whole that fixes it. have you been in a relationship you ever been in a relationship which think unhealthy? which you think was unhealthy? looking i mean, probably looking back, i mean, probably to be honest, when i was a teenager, i mean, like, i suppose, yeah, i think most of us probably would have done it because, you know, you hate all of you so much. that's why i don't want you to do abc. yeah, yeah, yeah. i went out with some wrong ends, let's face it. and when i was younger, i and my husband. now i'm very lucky. he's wonderful man he he's a wonderful man and he treats very and i'm very treats me very well and i'm very fortunate have that. it's fortunate to have that. but it's so easy see how young people, so easy to see how young people, particularly prevalence particularly with the prevalence of online and of what's happening online and with and sometimes with sort with and sometimes with the sort of stuff that they're getting from, just from from, you know, even just from popular sometimes and, popular culture, sometimes and, you know, the role models that

they have good, are they have not always good, are they? with former they? and just with former victims minister hat on just to look at parliament this some people who are being some mps you know not a huge amount but they're very serious crimes the accusations are made of them. of course , one mp has been course, one mp has been convicted . do we do enough in convicted. do we do enough in parliament, for example , should parliament, for example, should if you have been accused of a very serious sexual assault, for example, should you be able to come into parliament while the investigation takes place? i think is a really is a live issue as you know, we've just had a by—election in chester. obviously, we had someone that had to stand down. so this happens across parliament. and i think that since i've been an mp , there's been a lot done. so we have made a lot of progress and it's been some brilliant work done by andrea leadsom and various speakers to up various speakers to set up better complaints procedures because it's, you know, because i think it's, you know, it's not been a good place to

work. we always have to have a process. if someone's accused there to a process. but there has to be a process. but what i would expect is the various party political organisations and the parliamentary authorities to think about the safeguarding in that situation . and it is that situation. and it is difficult because we saw someone recently accused who now it turns out there was there was no case to answer. so you've always got to get that balance right. there has to be due process and justice in this situation . so as justice in this situation. so as you're saying, you're a vice chair of the conservative party and why do you think so many of your colleagues are standing down? i don't think so many of them. i think it's a normal part of the cycle. you're always going to see people. i think we probably have the same probably have got about the same number in the last run number as we did in the last run up last election, because up to the last election, because obviously people there's obviously people that there's some who to some people who just want to move other things and some move on to other things and some people are reaching the end of their so you know, what their career. so you know, what i is i think it's quite i do know is i think it's quite healthy you that

healthy that you get that turnover. you need diversity, you new blood you need sort of new blood coming and, know, there coming in. and, you know, there are people also who perhaps think, well, you know, i've given my shot. i've given it my best shot. i've actually lot of time of actually spent a lot of time of my adult life this place, and my adult life in this place, and now i want to do something else in of the leadership in one of the many leadership contests late , i think it was contests late, i think it was after boris johnson's . yes. that after boris johnson's. yes. that she sajid javid . she she backed sajid javid. she didn't get onto the ballot papen didn't get onto the ballot paper. an early paper. but you were an early backer of his useful strategies. so yeah, yeah. i mean, he's obviously my constituency neighbour and he's been someone so loyal to coutts for a lot for me. so when i actually started my political journey in 2013, when i for a seat in birmingham, i birmingham north i thought birmingham north failed, was a labour seat. failed, which was a labour seat. i didn't it, but one of the i didn't win it, but one of the first people actually ever first people to actually ever come help me such, come out and help me with such, and out back in 2013, and he came out back in 2013, he'd bring his team. he can walk the streets with me. so he's backed me that time. so backed me all that time. so yeah, course miss him. yeah, of course i'll miss him. but he will. i'm sure but you know, he will. i'm sure he'll on do other things. he'll go on to do other things. he's a very talented person. a lot of mps, it's very easy for

men, actually. they just pass out day and they come out on every day and they come to and all look the to work and they all look the same. and so someone says, same. and so when someone says, oh, so and so, and oh, you know, so and so, and they go, does they look they go, what does they look like? and you go, you know, middle aged where say brown middle aged where they say brown hair but for women , hair or balding. but for women, i some of some i suppose i suppose some of some i suppose the uniform for women, perhaps is quite conservative with a small say , don't let your small say, don't let your clothes attract the attention . clothes attract the attention. you don't do that. you always embrace colour. you have you're very stylish and you have your own unique fashion sense. why is it important to you to use your your clothes and your fashion to stand out amongst them and gosh , you know, it's something i didn't really do it deliberately . it sort of evolved. i'm always like, cut. i've always worn colour. and i suppose when i came into parliament i thought i wanted to dress like an mp now, which is a bit of a and then i

sort of realised, oh i don't need to do that and i suppose a little bit of freedom that comes with getting a bit older and being a bit more confident in your and realising that your own skin and realising that your own skin and realising that you don't actually just have to wear suit. i mean, wear a blue suit. i mean, lots of wear bracelets, that's of people wear bracelets, that's fine. so but i kind of like colour. also i really colour. i also like i really break clothing. so break second—hand clothing. so i try and buy this is from ebay almost things away now from ebay. and buy second—hand ebay. i try and buy second—hand and there's some it's and i think there's some it's fun to do that . and actually fun to do that. and actually there's another kind of serious point in that my constituents can always see me in the chamber , so they do like it because when i'm sitting in pmqs they can spot me and they know that i'm in and asking i'm in there and asking questions redditch. so questions about redditch. so there's a kind political there's also a kind of political strategy as well . strategy behind it as well. rachel the reason we do interviews and find out things that we didn't know about politicians and i've really felt that we've done that today. rachel mcclean the teenage trotskyists know quite . thank trotskyists know quite. thank you so much. pleasure. thank you for having me on. thank you.

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