on mark dolan tonight. in my big opinion, harry and meghan wrong. we should not be ashamed of the commonwealth. it is britain's proudest achievement . my mark proudest achievement. my mark means guest is the widely liked and highly respected former leader of the liberal democrats , farron. in the big question is rishi sunak doing good job as prime minister? we'll hear from both sides on that one. and in the news agenda with my panel. should keir starmer be tougher on unions strike action? and if people have covid but feel okay . is it time for them to go to

work? let me know your thoughts. mark@gbnews.uk a very busy 2 hours plus my big opinion monologue is on its way. it's about the commonwealth, it's about the commonwealth, it's about meghan and it's about harry. and not literally, not pulling my punches. first stop, the headlines with tatiana sanchez. the headlines with tatiana sanchez . mark, thank you very sanchez. mark, thank you very much . this is the latest from much. this is the latest from the gb newsroom west midlands ambulance says four children who were pulled from a lake in solihull are all on life support. it says the children in cardiac arrest when they came of the water at babbs mill park in king's house this afternoon. the fire service says reports from the scene and videos on social media indicate the children had been playing on the ice and fell a search and rescue operation still under way to confirm whether were any more people in the water police in jersey say five people are now confirmed

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should they still go to work? plus, more thoughts . should they still go to work? plus, more thoughts. i'd like your opinions. mark at gb news dot uk. in my take at ten. the england did well, but next time please leave the politics in the dressing . reacting to those dressing. reacting to those stories and many more are my brilliant panel tonight of fashion and beauty journalist lizzie zita . the leader of ukip, lizzie zita. the leader of ukip, neil hamilton and political social commentator lin mei i do want to hear from you throughout the show at gb news uk. this show has a golden rule we don't do boring. not on my watch. i just won't have it. and let me tell you, it is monkeys out there. it's freezing. in fact, i want to congratulate a member of the team, safia who's been out making snowballs . so this the team, safia who's been out making snowballs. so this is the official gb news snowball , official gb news snowball, right? crafted in paddington in central london. so it's sofia, the snowball . yeah glad it the snowball. yeah glad it didn't hit the camera because we

got lots of work to do. merry christmas, everyone. snows outside. get the kettle on, and let's have 2 hours of debate. a penny and some fun along the way. me family . they. in the past, family. they. in the past, prince harry has poured scorn on king charles's skills or thereof as a father . and in this latest as a father. and in this latest series, he's made a sly dig at his brother, william by implying that his wife fits some kind mould that she takes or something. god knows what he was actually saying , but he may have actually saying, but he may have actually saying, but he may have a point . if kate is in a mould. a point. if kate is in a mould. she's in the mould . of a nice she's in the mould. of a nice wife who gets on with her husband's family. is that too much ask? we've all got to make it work with the in—laws, don't we? and not always easy. it's my

view that kate is the mould of a dignified woman who is humbly her role as wife, mother and of wales represent her family and serving nation. harry seems to go for partners who indeed do not fit the mould . don't get me not fit the mould. don't get me wrong, making is a stunningly intelligence and charismatic woman who many thought and hoped was the next diana . but what has was the next diana. but what has emerged is a self—absorbed narcissist living in a parallel universe with her own version of the truth . like the fiction of the truth. like the fiction of the truth. like the fiction of the date of their wedding to give. but example . harry and give. but example. harry and meghan don't family when it comes to her side either with couple famously dumping poor thomas markle not, even visiting him when he had heart attack. and of course , him from their and of course, him from their own wedding. samantha thomas

markle junior. own wedding. samantha thomas markle junior . they've all been markle junior. they've all been cancelled by this pair. you'd think, wouldn't you, that harry's protective instincts was his family would at least face in relation to our great queen elizabeth the second. he may have resentment towards his brother or . have resentment towards his brother or. his have resentment towards his brother or . his father. fair brother or. his father. fair enough. family are complicated , enough. family are complicated, but as the queen battled ill health in what turned out to be the final months of her life . the final months of her life. and as she grieved her beloved philip harry was quite happy do podcasts slagging off his family and the monarchy itself and announcing a tell all biography which doubtless caused the sleepless nights . america's top sleepless nights. america's top psychiatrist, dr. carol lieberman , wasn't pulling her lieberman, wasn't pulling her punches on my show on friday when she said this. i think that she and harry are responsible to some degree for the death of

prince philip and the queen because prince philip died. yes, he was of a certain age . and in he was of a certain age. and in getting in frail health. but he died a month after the oprah interview and then the queen died in anticipation of this netflix documentary and harry's book. and think that the stress she broke their hearts and that stress, i think little it literally led to or at least contributed to their death . now, contributed to their death. now, i'm a big fan of dr. carol lieberman, but i don't agree with her. however, i would say the mental anguish can't have been great for our late in her final days . you could say that final days. you could say that all that is in the past, but the documentary that landed on thursday, a documentary every of which has been signed off by this image conscious couple, featured a horrific scene in which meghan mocked the fact that she bowed and curtsied to the queen. take a look. i mean ,

the queen. take a look. i mean, americans will understand this. we have many evil times, dinner and tournament. it was like that. like, i can't see it as though i was like . pleasure to though i was like. pleasure to meet you, your majesty . the look meet you, your majesty. the look of shame is palpable. sorry folks. but that's the moment when . harry steps in and says, when. harry steps in and says, hey , that's my grandma. you're hey, that's my grandma. you're talking about. and one of the old time greatest britons. instead he smirked, looking like wanted that ten grand sofa to swallow him up. fact that he would allow that dreadful moment go into the film and air in front of the world, tells you everything you need to know about harry's family values. throw charles a bit of shade . no throw charles a bit of shade. no problem. but i'm sorry is my personal view. but you not dare

adulterate the memory of queen elizabeth the second. and there's another family that this couple seem to struggle with . couple seem to struggle with. the community of nations known the commonwealth, which as a result of their one sided history. lesson to which we were subjected in this documentary is characterised as a sort of empire 2.0. even though the opposite is the case, the commonwealth as a symbol of the end of empire , in which end of empire, in which countries that we once began a new relationship of solidarity diplomacy and friendship. the commonwealth is a wonderful charitable endeavour. it provides nation us around the world with fantastic economic opportunities, a global sporting eventin opportunities, a global sporting event in the form of the commonwealth games and untold cultural and. huntsman's it encourages mutual understanding , bonding between our different nafions

, bonding between our different nations reflecting on our shared history . the good. the bad. and history. the good. the bad. and yes the ugly. and more important . it's about our shared . . it's about our shared. notwithstanding the many shocking and appalling crimes of empire. the commonwealth represents the end of horrors like slavery and colonial rule . like slavery and colonial rule. and that's why it's our proudest achievements. how many other ? achievements. how many other? because of course, we weren't the only one. boast enduring friendships and collaboration in the form of a voluntary now made up of 54 nations. as robert hardman points out in the daily mail this week delegates from all over the world have been at mansion house in the city of london for the commonwealth enterprise and investment council's latest trade summit on sustainable energy, food and resilience . empire 2.0 a hardman resilience. empire 2.0 a hardman on to point out that the commonwealth has acquired a new

member on a nation that was not even part of britain's colonial footprint at all its history. do they think the commonwealth is empire 2.0? it's also pretty patronising to paint a picture of these great global nations as pathetic, tragic victims of a western superpower . pathetic, tragic victims of a western superpower. i doubt they would share that view otherwise. they would have long ago rescinded their membership . i rescinded their membership. i believe that the commonwealth is the envy of the world and we shouldn't apologise for it. we shouldn't apologise for it. we should be growing, investing in it and it. we should be shouting from the rooftop . it's far from from the rooftop. it's far from being something to feel bad about. the commonwealth is an uncommon success . and it's my uncommon success. and it's my view that the commonwealth is not empire 2.0. but what's your view? not empire 2.0. but what's your view? mark@gbnews.uk not empire 2.0. but what's your view? mark@gbnews.uk reacting to my big opinion monologue and all

of the big stories of the day, we have fashion and beauty journalist lizzie zita, the leader of ukip, neil hamilton and political and social commentator lynne may. lynne, let me start with you. what's your view about the commonwealth in 2022? i would like to echo you with regards to, you know, a level being patronising gabon. the spokesman for gabon was absolutely appalled at the suggestion that they have no idea as to why they want to join. they were happy to join. and just like rwanda , happy to and just like rwanda, happy to join. and i think that the commonwealth, they do hold countries to account . that's why countries to account. that's why pakistan suspended on two pakistan was suspended on two occasions because of their lack democracy in elections. so here we have the commonwealth where people voluntarily can either leave or join and to compare it leave orjoin and to compare it to the empire of old makes absolutely no sense. and it actually makes meghan and look really ignorant . indeed, i think really ignorant. indeed, i think it's patronising . neil hamilton it's patronising. neil hamilton i think it could even be

considered mildly xenophobe because even racist. well, i'm not really patronise to patronise those 54 nations who voluntarily part of a special post empire club. yeah and there's nothing to be ashamed of in saying that the commonwealth is part of britain's legacy, because there are a lot of good things about the british empire and the thing that unites the commonwealth even though there are new members were not are now new members who were not part british empire, is part of the british empire, is british that's british connection. and that's not is the not to say that this is the empire reborn . but the ties were empire reborn. but the ties were forged through decades , and in forged through decades, and in some cases, centuries of attachment. now are recreated in the modern world as a collection of nations that are equal to one another. and, you know, we've got not just gabon, which was a french colony, but , you know, french colony, but, you know, angola, which was a portuguese colony. cameroon, which was a german colony before the first world war, and then mandated to france after 1919, as well as

all the countries which have become independent from british rule in the last half century or more. and it's a massive force for good the world. and we hope that as a result of brexit, we'll able to rebuild our connection of an economic and trading kind with these countries so that we can make the commonwealth a much more unique side collection of independent nations, but with common ideals , common goals. common ideals, common goals. lizzie zita there is a flip side this, which is the existence of the commonwealth is a reminder of britain's crimes of the past. loo as my research tells me. 36 of these countries are in fact republics . so the queen is head republics. so the queen is head of only 15 of those countries and five have their own monarchs . so i just think that, you know , things have changed an awful

lot. and i think that we needed that in the doc you entry that harry and meghan put out was extremely misleading and i agree with the other panellists that in ways it was almost racist . i in ways it was almost racist. i don't know if i would say it's racist and i can understand when people do , say, parts of the people do, say, parts of the commonwealth historically being, obviously britain specifically had a level of control and implementation of the rule of law . though the rule of law is law. though the rule of law is good, i think some countries felt that they couldn't their own in the world. however in own way in the world. however in today's society , things up to today's society, things up to now . if a country can prove now. if a country can prove itself economically, it can be an equal partner like canada, like new zealand. so i think we need to stop concentrating . need to stop concentrating. remember the past, but stop concentrating on the past because it's not same as the present . okay, well, look, a present. okay, well, look, a great debate. what's view? marc gb news uk. let's lots to get

through in the next two hour and 40 minutes in the news agenda with my panel. should keir starmer be tougher on unions taking strike action? we'll speak to a top labour mp about that as well. also, i'll face tattoos a step too far and. have christmas markets had their some people think they're a complete rip off. what's your view. mark gb news uk. lots to get through but next in the big question we'll be asking and widdecombe is rishi sunak a good prime minister see you .

in two. are meghan and harry right to imply that the commonwealth is effectively the empire? 2.0 the british empire a manifestation of british colonial rule . john of british colonial rule. john says mark south africa was sanctioned by the commonwealth

due to apartheid. it was really admitted into the commonwealth when anc government took . hardly when anc government took. hardly racist it. and heather says mark. meghan has met her nemesis with her curtsy. she insulted not just britain but the world. lots more to get through. my mock meets guest is the lib dem ex—leader tim farron live on the show after a really interesting guy, a respected and liked will get his story in the next hour. also all face tattoos a step too far and have christmas markets had their day. do you go to christmas markets? they're very expensive, aren't they? although they do that lovely mulled wine could do with a drop of that. right now, let's be honest, i'll be i've got a nugget coming on. so forgive me, if i'm a little bit wheezy. it's time now for . bit wheezy. it's time now for. this don't it's not the dreaded

covid. it's time now for the big question, in which we tackle a major news story of the day. tonight, we're putting the pm on the spot asking, does rishi sunak for a good prime minister? he has outlived liz truss, of course, and he's got lots of challenges ahead, including the northern ireland protocol , a northern ireland protocol, a cost of living crisis , a cost of living crisis, a potential winter of discontent . potential winter of discontent. but is he the man to tackle job and what is his report card so far? good to have. find the guest details here . and let's guest details here. and let's have a look. we have ann widdecombe, former government minister , conservative mp for minister, conservative mp for brentwood and ongar and parliamentary to , secretary the parliamentary to, secretary the cabinet office, alex burghart. alex, welcome to the show. let me start with you. is rishi sunak a good prime minister absolutely. and i think he i think he has the potential to be a really very prime minister indeed.i a really very prime minister indeed. i mean , you've got to indeed. i mean, you've got to remember that , there hasn't been remember that, there hasn't been a leader in modern times who has come to power with such a range

of challenges before them. this is this is a tough hand to be dealt. we've got inflation small , you know, problems with the health service and public services generally . but this man services generally. but this man is a problem solver. we absolutely saw that the height of the pandemic , the way that he of the pandemic, the way that he and his team put furlough together in in the midst of that that terrible problem. and i know that he's going to bring that energy and an attitude used to bear on on the whole of the whole of the country. and i think we're going to in the year to come, we're really going to reap the rewards of having him in charge. we saw he very quickly brought the autumn out with jeremy hunt , the very clear with jeremy hunt, the very clear purpose for tackling inflation. now this is extreme important and any anyone who he had the

good fortune to read the piece written by lawson nigel lawson in the summer , i would have been in the summer, i would have been reminded that in 1981, when margaret thatcher and geoffrey howe was staring down the barrel of a serious inflation, they had a very tough budget. they had a tough budget which they put up taxes. they were by a lot of people of stifling growth. but the consequence was that they managed to bring inflation, and it meant that its subsequent budgets , nigel lawson was able budgets, nigel lawson was able to cut taxes and drive growth really drive that whole period of growth that we saw right up till up till 2008. now i rishi sunak when he was chancellor a picture of nigel lawson in his office. he's absolutely aware of the precedents from that period . and he knows that if we to have good public services, we want to a strong defence policy. we have to have a strong economy. you can't do that when

you have runaway inflation. you just can't do it. so the first thing you have to do is you have to slay that beast and then you can reap the rewards of it. so he's he's coming to grips with that. he's he's coming to grips with that . he's he's he's coming to grips with that. he's also he's he's coming to grips with that . he's also we've also seen that. he's also we've also seen him on small boats come to a fresh agreement with with france in double quick time . we've got in double quick time. we've got additional patrols from french already . we've also we've seen already. we've also we've seen put 40% more officers technology and they've allowed the first time uk enforcement officers to sit as part of their operations . and i know that he wants suella braverman are going to bust every got to get on top of this problem. and i think that when does that when he does as as prime minister he will he will win the confidence of a lot of people who awaiting to see whether he can deliver . and i whether he can deliver. and i think that the strong line he's

taking on through this winter are industrial action is also extreme necessary . he's been extreme necessary. he's been both reasonable and fun because, again , you can't allow again, you can't allow industrial action to lead to much higher inflation. if you do that , you much higher inflation. if you do that, you will hold much higher inflation. if you do that , you will hold the economy. that, you will hold the economy. you will prevent us getting to the point where we can have tax reductions and. so i think the key is focusing on the countries . i think he has really good ideas and energy. and i think he's going to prove himself to the public in the year ahead . the public in the year ahead. there you go. a glowing report from alex burghart. what's your view on where to come? you've served several conservative ministers. has this guy got the chops to do a good job? i believe that the jury is very, very out. now i expect conservative mp to be loyal. that's not always happen. of

course , but i expect them to be course, but i expect them to be loyal. what wasn't expecting from somebody who's been to give a rational analysis is an absolute hedging graphic of a prime minister who is supposed to be a conservative prime minister. he's raised tax to record levels. he is spending and did so at the at record levels. and instead of focusing on growth is focusing . on tax on growth is focusing. on tax spend and borrowing and that is all that he is doing now. i want to see vision and one way talk when we're told about small boats. i mean i must say i was laughing . when we get told that, laughing. when we get told that, well, you know, he's got a new agreement with macron. how many have we had with ? macron, mark, have we had with? macron, mark, and how many of them have actually produced anything? the very definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again, while expecting a

different result. so you know, i ask for tough , tough with the ask for tough, tough with the unions . where's the sign of that unions. where's the sign of that 7 unions. where's the sign of that ? where is the sign of that? now the reason i say the jury is out is i'll give anybody a chance. i'll give any body a chance. but you know, so far this man has shown no imagination , no vision shown no imagination, no vision , no real grip with problems that are facing us . and yes, that are facing us. and yes, it's quite true that inflation is the major economic problem facing us at the moment as it is facing us at the moment as it is facing rest of the world. you know, we're not alone in this. this isn't a british creation. this isn't a british creation. this isn't a british creation. this is a country which ukraine creation that is important and the most important you can do to combat in—flow . russian is not combat in—flow. russian is not raise taxes . it's actually to raise taxes. it's actually to keep below the level of inflation so that you don't enter into a wage price spiral

like we did in the 1970s, not frankly, there's no sign yet that got the unions under control . a fascinating control. a fascinating conversation . my thanks to ann conversation. my thanks to ann widdecombe, former government and the conservative mp , and the conservative mp, brentwood and ongar. alex burghart. thank you both for your time . what's your reaction? your time. what's your reaction? what is your on the premiership of ? rishi what is your on the premiership of? rishi sunak is he visible enough? do you feel like he's your prime minister or you have the impression he's at number ten and he's hard at work? fix britain's problems, of course he's got two years to prove himself. but what's your verdict at this stage? mark at gb news aduu at this stage? mark at gb news adult uk laws to get through my mark means guest is the former leader of the lib dems tim farron. he's life on the show. we'll find out what he thinks of a new coal mine in cumbria have the lib dems moved on from brexit? plus we'll talk about his faith as well and how that's shaped his political outlook. we've got the papers at 1030 with full panel reaction . but

with full panel reaction. but next up, we'll be asking , should next up, we'll be asking, should keir starmer talk tougher with the trade unions, particularly given the fact that so many bankrolled his party. we'll be joined by khalid mahmood labour party mp for birmingham perry barr see you shortly .

welcome back to mark dolan tonight . big reaction to my big tonight. big reaction to my big opinion monologue. let's have a look at what you've all said this is the intimation from the harry and meghan documentary on netflix that somehow the commonwealth oath is a manifestation of empire, that it's empire 2.0. well, how about this from peter? mark making would be correct if she described the eu as an empire. and of course , peter, that is an and of course, peter, that is an empire that we have escaped. carla says, mark, i was privileged to volunteer at the

birmingham. birmingham commonwealth games in the summer . what an honour it was. jane and whinge needs to go away. carla that with strong views on rishi rishi sunak karen says mark rishi sunak is not my prime minister. he never even had one vote. democracy is dead. susan says. rishi will be the prime minister. that never was. no one voted him in. no one wanted him, not even the conservator. they chose liz . and last but not chose liz. and last but not least, sunak doesn't appear to be standing up for the nation, says marion. he squandered billions of taxpayers money with his 80% furlough, and that's why we're in a mess right now. he cannot control our borders whilst continue to squander taxpayers money giving millions once again to the french. he's hopeless and hasn't got a clue how to run this country. marion thank you for that. keep those emails coming. mark@gbnews.uk well, what kind of a job would labour do with so much

industrial action taking place industrial action taking place in the country right now? should keir starmer and the labour party be tougher on the unions? keir starmer faces a difficult choice. does he keep pocketing the money from the union barons and face the ire of the electorate's? or could he be tougher but risk being seen as no longer fighting for the working man or woman? it begs the question should keir starmer be tougher on the unions going forward? let's speak to the labour mp for birmingham, perry, paul khalid mahmood. good evening, mr. mahmood . briefly evening, mr. mahmood. briefly great to have you on the program . but keir starmer is a bit compromise disney because he needs to talk tough with the unions, but he needs that money as well. no, absolutely no compromise at all. what we need to have is this government to be fair and the government hasn't there. you've seen 12 year but conservative government coming in with austerity , making in with austerity, making government small and bold. they've done is they shrunk the government so much the services

, the national health service, the fire service, the police service and the people who i'm in service , all those people are in service, all those people are part of the state and they won't pay- part of the state and they won't pay. they've suffered for 12 years and now under fault of the trust government. you're asking them to tighten their belts. i think what there needs to be a reality of changes to that. give me billions of pounds away on schemes that didn't work on fake sort of protection equipment that was bought . and the fact that was bought. and the fact that was bought. and the fact that there was huge fraud going on within that furlough was a good thing. and i would accept that. but there was no money wasted. also, nightingale hospitals . okay but you hospitals as well. okay but you say that they've made the government small. it doesn't feel very small from where i'm standing . first of all, taxes standing. first of all, taxes are at the highest level they've been since the late 1940s, and the government have just been two and a half years paying everyone a percentage of their salary to stay at home. that's not exactly small government, is

it ? well, it has been overall. it? well, it has been overall. it has been, yes. what they did do the furlough . i would be the do the furlough. i would be the first to stand up when it is first one to stand up when it is thought those people were they were not able to go to work to continue live. but the continue to live. but the additional stuff the money was wasted was the ppe wasted on, which was the ppe equipment bill, the boat, a drop in the ocean, probably have a tory peer who's just stopped coming in to the house to come and ask the lords for the enquires that are being beyond the issues around the nightingale hospitals where a huge amount of money was wasted, a the ocean . yes, you a drop in the ocean. yes, you did one thing right. but everything else was wrong. and there needs to be accountable for liz truss came in and for that. liz truss came in and wasted almost for that. liz truss came in and wasted almost £50 billion of the economy. now that can't be put at the feet of the workers. they've carried on suffering and using foodbanks while they've been working. you can't say that, liz truss is mini budget cost that, liz truss is mini budget cos t £50 billion. the pound is cost £50 billion. the pound is now stronger . the when it was now stronger. the when it was long before that budget actually

happened. yes it was poorly received by the international bond markets, but the cost of government borrowing has since shrunk . so that's a mythical 50 shrunk. so that's a mythical 50 billion that you've got there. here's the question how much would labour pay the rmt? because they've been offered 8. well, it's something that they'd pay well, it's something that they'd pay the rmt . what you would do pay the rmt. what you would do is negotiate properly, which is what mclynn . she's asking for what mclynn. she's asking for the government to sit down and look at not just the pay but the conditions as well . this is what conditions as well. this is what this is about. not just the pay. it's about the conditions that the rail workers want for all of their people that work for them. you can't do that by having trains with one person operating a huge train on the road. either driver only because you have to look at the safety facts in relation to that. and those people that work there have a consideration. well the safety people that work there have a co the eration. well the safety people that work there have a co the passengersl the safety people that work there have a co the passengers as1e safety people that work there have a co the passengers as wellfety people that work there have a co the passengers as well as! of the passengers as well as themselves, of course, but those conditions come at a cost. but would pay more than the would labour pay more than the 8% that's been offered to the

rmt the labour government would look at what the companies have been doing. well, the amount of money that'll be playing things to the shareholders and why. and then i'll be fair in terms of issuing those moneys to the workers that need it. what this needs to happen is speaking those companies, but the government needs to come in and say to looked into the companies, you have to be fair in terms of terms and conditions as well as pay. you can't just pay as well as pay. you can't just pay some money and then say to take away all your conditions . take away all your conditions. thatis take away all your conditions. that is not what's what what's working. i'm khalid mahmood. how much would a labour government give to the nurses by way of a pay give to the nurses by way of a pay rise? they're looking for 19. would they get that under prime minister? starmer . prime minister? keir starmer. and if how would that be and if so, how would that be paid well, first to one of paid for? well, first to one of the things that keir starmer's government would do and rachel louise is actually have louise would do is actually have a proper, fairer tax for the energy companies who make a huge amount of money off in the nation, get some money from that

small change to take back, what, £45 million is not. it's money down the back of the sofa . £2 down the back of the sofa. £2 billion is not small change . and billion is not small change. and that would go a long way to easing some of those. what people want at the moment and is not just the pay deals. they they're looking at the conditions they have to work. they're looking the hours they're looking at the hours these have to work these people have to work at heswall all boils to heswall it all boils down to money, money, money, money, girls . just bear with me one girls. just bear with me one second, please. the what the labour due to also is look at labour due to also do is look at the stuff which is coming the energy stuff which is coming in, costing more than in, which is costing more than twice. those that are twice. of those workers that are working industry, the working within the industry, the national health service. so you need look providing proper need to look at providing proper staffing, would actually staffing, which would actually bnng staffing, which would actually bring costs down and deal bring the costs down and deal with government with that. this government hasn't that . okay. now, hasn't done that. okay. now, carly mahmood, i will agree with you that the government have made a horlicks of of their made a horlicks of many of their policies late. i'm certainly policies of late. i'm certainly not here to defend them , but not here to defend them, but it's to be hard for keir it's going to be hard for keir starmer be tough with these starmer to be tough with these unions they unions given the fact that they pay unions given the fact that they pay your wages within the labour party , that they that they

party, that they that they actually bankroll the labour party so a labour party itself. so a labour government couldn't be tough with the unions. keir starmer would not be able to have his thatcher moment if was thatcher moment if there was industry strife because he's in the pockets of the unions. i absolutely not. what we've done is continue to be fair with the trade unions and that's what the labour party's therefore to be fair with the unions, but also look at the employers and as a government playing a role to be fair across the piece. the unions, i mean, saying yes next to the famine , giving in. does to the famine, giving in. does being fair mean giving in to the unions ? because if the public unions? because if the public sector get these pay rises, that will be inflationary. and where does the money come from? is it more borrowing ? we are projected more borrowing? we are projected to pay something like £80 billion next year in debt interest payments alone. i'm assuming that under a labour government that figure would swell . well, it wouldn't. but swell. well, it wouldn't. but you've got to look at how you deal with the people, i'm saying. not everything's based

on pay a lot it's based on. on pay a lot of it's based on. well, that's what they're looking for conditions. those people have to people work late. so you have to take into account. i think take that into account. i think also you've got 40 , £45 billion also you've got 40, £45 billion of done by liz just i know you say the pound has gone back up again, but the damage has been done. the tax from done. but secondly, the tax from these huge oil companies and gas company energy companies which have made an absolute fortune if you tax them properly, we'll end up with another you tax them properly, we'll end up with anothe r £40 billion. but up with another £40 billion. but this is about running a positive government. but governments can deal with this workforce and work also with the trade unions to work together to achieve a benefit for all of us that work in and use those industries as well. and of course, you tax those energy companies. they won't invest in renewables . upon won't invest in renewables. upon which labour is so keen. khalid mahmood up let's talk about inflation. what would labour do to tackle inflation ? because it to tackle inflation? because it seems that if you are to be generous with public sector workers, inflation is going to go up, not down. oh, no, it's

not been generous. it's been the price that's needed to pay for this. what do you have to do in terms of inflation? this is looking at it from the economy quicker and that's what the labour party will do, is make investments and with the labour party bodies to invest. investments and with the labour party bodies to invest . that's party bodies to invest. that's what he said before and he really to invest, not really borrowed to invest, not to give money away. will to give money away. that will allow the economy to grow faster, to bring inflation down. and what we should and that's what we should be looking that's one of looking at. what that's one of the of governments is not the sort of governments is not the sort of governments is not the had a huge announcements of levelling up but nothing is labour other the labour look other than the directing put directing the tory party put forward . what a delight to have forward. what a delight to have you the program. first you on the program. your first time. of many, i hope, time. the first of many, i hope, collide. it's been a brilliant debate and it's important that we debates because it we have these debates because it could just be that the next government is a labour one. and when you're the chancellor i hope join us on the show hope you'll join us on the show . that's right, john. thank you. khalid mahmood is the labour mp for birmingham. perry barr. fascinating conversation. your reaction ? look, keir starmer's

reaction? look, keir starmer's doing his best to talk tough with the unions. iraq is going to be tough with them, but can he see it through given the fact that bankroll labour that they bankroll the labour party itself? let me know your views. mark gbnews.uk. lots more to get through . my guest is tim to get through. my guest is tim farron , the former leader of the farron, the former leader of the lib dems . looking forward to lib dems. looking forward to that conversation . but next up, that conversation. but next up, we'll be asking should you go to work with covid if you feel all right. see you shortly .

welcome back to mark dolan tonight. our helping me react to the big stories of the day is my all star panel of journalists. lizzie zita , the leader of ukip lizzie zita, the leader of ukip , neil hamilton and political and social commentator lin mei a new report from the institute for public policy research has found that more people are off

sick from work in the uk than at any time since records began in the 1990s. and any time since records began in the 19905. and covid any time since records began in the 1990s. and covid is one of the 1990s. and covid is one of the reasons why. but with covid cases hitting a million in the uk in early december, that's right. a million people in the country, all with covid at the same time. if people have the virus but feel okay , should they virus but feel okay, should they still go to work? because we do that with colds that way. let's get the views of my panel. let me ask you, it's easy to. what do you got the covid. do you think? you got the covid. you go to work. well because we're so afraid of the covid now, all is mythical. now, all we have is mythical. it's not that. look, if was it's not that. look, if i was that, what? i would be worried it's not that. look, if i was that, \passing vould be worried it's not that. look, if i was that, \passing ituld be worried it's not that. look, if i was that, \passing it toi be worried it's not that. look, if i was that, \passing it to someone ad it's not that. look, if i was that, \passing it to someone who about passing it to someone who was die from it or who was going to die from it or who was going to die from it or who was to get rid of it. was going to get rid of it. we've been there, done that to just. but on the other hand , just. but on the other hand, doesn't the vaccine work? i know all the people that have gone to work because they freelance. oh, yes . when had covid. yes. when they've had covid. because have to. because they have to. and i think that you know, i wouldn't condemn anybody who was going to work. and knowing me that they had covid. yeah i mean, it

wouldn't for example , be wouldn't for example, be a sackable offence. you think if a colleague had covid and quietly went to work? well, it depends on how bad they they had it. but if they felt okay , then i think if they felt okay, then i think go to work. well, yeah, because that's the question ultimately, isn't it neil. at what point do we treat covid like a bad cold or flu? well the covid pandemic is massively overhyped and there's no danger virtually from anybody of working age, from contracting covid. we know that from . and there never was. and from. and there never was. and there never was. you know, the average age of which people have died from conditions related to covid was 83, which is higher than the average age of life expectancy at birth. today and when you think of the costs which have been imposed upon the country, indeed the entire world by the governments response to covid, then that has done far more harm than the actual disease itself . so keep calm and

disease itself. so keep calm and carry on would be my way of advising people . well, that's advising people. well, that's right, because if people get a positive covid test and stay home, if they do that in their thousands or even millions, i mean, early december , a million mean, early december, a million people had it. if everyone stayed home with covid, we'd have even deeper financial problems. nobody understand. problems. but nobody understand. now, is the swedish now, who is the swedish government's chief adviser on covid said right at the very start of this covid saga that we were all going to get it eventually anyway, if we were going to get it. you don't stop transmission by imprisoning yourself at home because the disease is out there in the air and so on. so although you might affect the speed of transmission, you don't actually affect the ultimate results in the end. i was pooh poohed that i voted against all these regulations when for five years i was a member of the welsh parliament. so i'll have a role in legislating for wales and on

that basis i voted against everything that we would do more harm than good by trying to stop the tide coming in. new king canute knew better than all this of courtiers who said that he had the power to control the waves. but our modern government don't seem to have learned that thousand year old lesson. so yes, we should keep calm and carry on. and for those who are vulnerable, obviously they need to shelter them. of course, one thing help llyn may thing that would help llyn may would be if we stopped testing ourselves. yeah, i just think if you're of a healthy age , then you're of a healthy age, then i think it's actually quite important that you do catch it because we need to build up resilin based towards it. but i think we need to apply the dreaded herd herd immunity, right. yeah. no, i think. well that goes for most you that goes for most things, you know, small children , it's know, even small children, it's important them important to encourage them to be able to build up resistance to things like cold, the common cold, flip side, why cold, but on the flip side, why can we not just apply some logic if, you know, you work with the

elderly? common would say elderly? common sense would say you come in you work you don't come in if you work with fairly a team of healthy individuals and have depending on bad is . so like a on how bad it is. so like a cold, we need treat it cold, we need to treat it exactly a cold. and if exactly like a cold. and if you're, know, awfully ill , you're, you know, awfully ill, you're, you know, awfully ill, you're not going to come out of your house if you have a tiny sniffle, as only you let people know by way, why got bit know by the way, why got a bit of covid? need to just get of covid? we need to just get back to normal in its entirety, i think. so what's happened is, is people are not is that people who are not really nervous , grant covid to really nervous, grant covid to make them even more paranoid and nervous . i've noticed that with nervous. i've noticed that with certain friends , not a criticism certain friends, not a criticism , but they've become so afraid . , but they've become so afraid. so afraid they wouldn't even meet people outside. they wouldn't go for a walk. walks and they've kind of interpreted things according to their sense of stress, really . it became of stress, really. it became almost like obsessive love. that's one point i'd like. and they're not in a vulnerable group. no, no, i could understand if they. these were relatively young . not in

relatively young. not in a vulnerable group. look, lots of people died. we have to remember that. also government's that. and also the government's in fairness , they didn't know in fairness, they didn't know what were dealing with. if, what they were dealing with. if, for they'd said, okay, for example, they'd said, okay, let's not lockdown. and the opposite happened . loads more opposite happened. loads more people died. they would have been really severely criticised if it wasn't absolutely it is. but they had to. they had to . but they had to. they had to. they took a certain position . it they took a certain position. it went wrong. i don't think we should have been in lockdown for that length of time when it was not. there was never any logic to lockdown because we know i knew then that there was no way in which transmission of this disease could be prevented by the measures which were being put in place . and this hysteria put in place. and this hysteria over covid just joins a whole utany over covid just joins a whole litany of hysteria, just like on global warming, all those idiot middle class kids climbing up down trees on the m25, an undulating by the end of the world, you know, because we've got nothing else to worry about

today, because compared with the previous generations , we live previous generations, we live far longer and we live much more prosperous lives. we have to invent these causes and global warming is not invented. it's not patent them. it's not we can't argue that now. but the global warming is not last minute. global warming is occurring, but not because of human activity . no, the vast human activity. no, the vast majority of scientists would challenge that. but then again , challenge that. but then again, the scientists back lockdowns. and i think. yeah, exactly . of and i think. yeah, exactly. of i mean, and who funds them to protect us from so—called to say things as well neil but god protect us from so—called experts who actually are just groping in the dark and like everybody else and all we're talking about here. but to global warming, same as with covid, modelling professor covid, was modelling professor neil ferguson remember head 800,000 people in britain were going to die from covid before lockdown locked and locked. i think people are using as an excuse as well. like when i speak to a lot, he's like, we've got covm. speak to a lot, he's like, we've got covid. can, you know, take

got covid. i can, you know, take a cheeky everyone take a cheeky excuse. everyone take off flights to see what's seriously. if i'd say i've got a couple i'll get him, he would couple of i'll get him, he would get him. yeah. get you a box on him. yeah. yeah. briefly do you yeah. very briefly then. do you think a nation of think we've become a nation of hypochondriacs? yeah, for hypochondriacs? yes. yeah, for sure. hardly resilient sure. we hardly resilient anything. and that goes for opinion politics, health . we opinion, politics, health. we need to get back to a place of where we're speaking up on our. what happened, lizzie , to you're what happened, lizzie, to you're not feeling that great and you drank yourself into it. there you go. oh, well, listen, if the whole world was freelance, i'm drug that's all i was half drug man. that's all i was half dead because , you know, you have dead because, you know, you have to do the doctor said to me, oh, i know you're freelance because we never see you. yeah, yeah , we never see you. yeah, yeah, yeah. i'd say, well, look, i think you would agree with travelling business class with my i mean, i've my panel tonight. i mean, i've got lucky first class and got the lucky first class and i'm coughing of my germs i'm coughing all of my germs onto it's not covid for onto them. it's not covid for what it's worth, but even it will if it was, maybe we just get let me know your get on with it. let me know your thoughts. mark@gbnews.uk next thoughts. mark@gb news.uk next up, thoughts. mark@gbnews.uk next up, my meets is the up, my malt meets guest is the widely liked and respected former of the lib dems,

former leader of the lib dems, tim farron will talk about his career and what he thinks the lib dems can do at the next general election . but next up, general election. but next up, it's my take at ten and we've got a very spicy topic for you. it's about england , who i think it's about england, who i think did a brilliant job at the world cup. they please. cup. yes, they did. please. please please. time, leave please please. next time, leave your politics in the dressing room. that's my take it ten. and it's next. shortly .

it's 10:00. and it's10:00. and this is mark it's 10:00. and this is mark dolan's tonight's my mark meets guest is the popular and respected former lib dem leader tim farron . he tells his story tim farron. he tells his story shortly in the news agenda with my panel . all face tattoos my panel. all face tattoos a step too far and a half. christmas markets had their day. do you go to them ? are they do you go to them? are they worth the money? plus more

papers at exactly 1030. and after this, in my take it ten, the england team did well. but next time, please leave the politics in the dressing room . politics in the dressing room. lots more shortly. but first, the headlines with tatiana sanchez. the headlines with tatiana sanchez . mark, thank you very sanchez. mark, thank you very much. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. west midlands ambulance service says four children who were pulled from a lake in sully hull are all on life support. it says the children were in cardiac arrest when they came out of the water at babbs mill park in king's house this afternoon . the fire house this afternoon. the fire service says reports from the scene and videos on social media indicate the children had been playing on the ice and fell through. a search and rescue operation still underway to confirm whether there were any more people in the water . police more people in the water. police in jersey say five people are now confirmed to have died in yesterday's explosion in st heuen yesterday's explosion in st helier. a blast ripped through a

three storey block of flats in the capital in the early hours of the morning. around four people are still thought to be missing . the chief of jersey missing. the chief of jersey police, robyn smith, says sadly, more fatalities are expected . we more fatalities are expected. we are not going to be here for days. we are likely to be here for weeks and it's important that i make that clear. for weeks and it's important that i make that clear . this that i make that clear. this morning i spoke to the family liaison coordinator who described to me the feelings of those families. and i am really, really keen to ensure that everybody properly understands the emotions that they are currently going, going through . currently going, going through. so this is not going to happen quickly . it's so this is not going to happen quickly. it's going to happen carefully and it's going to happen sensitively . the man happen sensitively. the man accused of making the bomb that caused the lockerbie disaster is now in the us custody. 270 people were killed when a device was detonate it on the pan am

flight 103 in 1988. the justice department says libya and abu akila masood, who is believed to be the third conspirator of the terrorist attack, will make an initial appearance in a federal court in washington . icy weather court in washington. icy weather conditions have been affecting flights with stansted airport forced to close the runway while it clears the snow. gatwick airport closed runway for 2 hours today with several flights cancelled or delayed as a result of freezing temperatures . travel of freezing temperatures. travel disruptions expected during rush hourin disruptions expected during rush hour in the morning as yellow warnings of ice of fog and snow were in place for much of the uk. the met office says overnight frost is expected until next friday. nasa's first artemus moon mission has been completed with the orion capsule splashing down in the pacific ocean . the capsule landed off ocean. the capsule landed off the coast of mexico's baja, california peninsula following its 25 day trip. the uncrewed vessel travelled more than 1.4 million miles, paving the way

for the next generation of manned lunar missions from tv, onune manned lunar missions from tv, online and dab+ radio. this is gb news. now it's back to mark dolan tonight. thanks tatiana. we'll see you in an hour's time. thanks tatiana. we'll see you in an hour's time . welcome to mark an hour's time. welcome to mark dolan tonight big stories, big guests and always big opinions in the news agenda with my panel . all face tattoos, a step to fall and have christmas markets have their day. do you go to them? are they worth the money? all of a fun plus tomorrow's papers at exactly 1030 sharp with full panel reaction on my mark meets guest is the former leader of the lib dems tim farron . lots to get through. but farron. lots to get through. but first my take it . ten let's

first my take it. ten let's start with the positives. i'm very proud of the england football team. another strong tournament , this time a whisker tournament, this time a whisker away from the semi—finals . the away from the semi—finals. the 11 outclassed by france and a referee who should have gone to specsavers and begrudge harry kane his penalty. miss. how many crucial penalties has he scored over the years to get us so far? a timely reminder that this extraordinary athlete is only human . he'll be back. and it was human. he'll be back. and it was a great team effort across the board with a manager who's taken it further than previous incumbents and engendered a great team spirits in our wonderfully talented and diverse squad. wonderfully talented and diverse squad . but. but but. too much squad. but. but but. too much time was spent debating whether players would wear rainbow armbands and said, i'm going debates over taking the knee . debates over taking the knee. now, this is a message which i and most of us fully support the

unopposed , a genetic rejection unopposed, a genetic rejection of prejudice and racism. absolutely but these moments, the badges face the knee, the flags have become a sideshow and a soap opera and arguably performative theatre. in the absence of real change. that's the view of football legend john barnes, who told me on my old radio show that if he were playing now, he would not take the knee . it was particularly the knee. it was particularly odd when england took part in a game against america from where? taking the knee originates and which was brought back after the appalling murder of george floyd. except that the american players did not take the knee. so england took the knee and america didn't. so what was the point in all of that. does anyone think that the american team are hellish bigots? no. perhaps they are seeking a more proactive and less virtue signalling way of making the world a better place . we saw it

world a better place. we saw it with the germans , didn't we? with the germans, didn't we? covering their mouths in protest and not being able to wear a rainbow badge . again, i support rainbow badge. again, i support the gesture , but is it much more the gesture, but is it much more than that? and of course, they promptly lost the game to japan , who focussed on their game plan, not game play like the germans . could these footballers germans. could these footballers have forgotten what their actual day job is? is to play football ? racism, transphobia . ? racism, transphobia. inequality. homophobia. sexism child poverty. all of these things are an absolute nightmare and a shame on humanity and on modern society . politicians and modern society. politicians and all communities must tackle all of these issues head on. but is it really the job of footballers to make the world a better place? don't we watch football for escape to watch 22 men, all women, kick a pig's bladder around for 90 minutes. why has harry kane now got to double up

as the archbishop of canterbury or the chief rabbi as a spiritual leader of this country? they've got their job and he's got his. country? they've got their job and he's got his . and i think and he's got his. and i think football is the worst industry to participate in. virtue signalling paid hundreds of thousands of pounds a week , thousands of pounds a week, representing the eye—watering inequality about which they are apparently so concerned . as they apparently so concerned. as they cruise around in baby bentleys, dripping in rolex watches as they fly first class to a deeply homophobic and sexist regime in qatar to play football games against countries like iran who are arresting and even killing women for standing up for female rights . these games, of course, rights. these games, of course, played in the stifling desert in air conditioned stadia with a carbon footprint the size of texas stadia still smeared with the blood of dead slaves. upwards of 6000 low paid migrant workers falling to their death so that we can cheer on the team

. and i won't take any moral lectures from footballers. some them are brilliant lads like cain and marcus rashford. he does a huge amount for his local community . does a huge amount for his local community. he's a does a huge amount for his local community . he's a very, very community. he's a very, very special young man . but there are special young man. but there are as many football who just pretend to care about the state of the world before heading to a three star holiday in for a spit roast with some starstruck slapper. normally whilst the wife and kids are at home, how charming footballers are about as bad as it gets if you're looking for a moral guardian . looking for a moral guardian. and where are all of the gay footballers in the premier league ? get your own house in league? get your own house in order before whacking your finger at others. i along with most decent people passionately believe in equal rights for anyone of any background , any anyone of any background, any genden anyone of any background, any gender, any sexual orientation, religion or race. we must pursue those causes aggressively and unrelentingly. but wouldn't it

be nice if footballers once again just played football and left the politics in the dressing room . well, i'm giving dressing room. well, i'm giving british footballers the hairdryer treatment for virtue signalling for performative theatre. but what's your view? market gb news not uk. let's get the views of my panel. journalist lizzie zita. leader of ukip. neil hamilton political and social commentator. lynn mae, let me start with you, lizzie zita. what you think about all of the gestures we've seen during the world cup next competition , do you think they competition, do you think they should leave that to one side? yes, i they take up all the air in the room. the best thing that could have done is not gone. you know, if they were so against gay rights , the rights of women gay rights, the rights of women , which are just appalling in that country , they have no that country, they have no rights. there is an app that i think there's been 1 million

downloads whereby the men control the women . what they do, control the women. what they do, if they can get a driving licence, if they can get an education. it's endless . why go education. it's endless. why go to a country? the whole decision in the first place was off. it was wrong. it wasn't moral. and you know, they do all this sickness signalling. it's after the horse has bolted . i agree. the horse has bolted. i agree. leave it in the changing room and do loads of charity work at home. yes i mean, i think i'd be tempted to say lin mei that i would just abandon any politics, any gestures in football , any gestures in football, because i think professional sport is an escape from all of that. sport is an escape from all of that . no, sport is an escape from all of that. no, i wouldn't sport is an escape from all of that . no, i wouldn't agree with that. no, i wouldn't agree with that. no, i wouldn't agree with that. for the simple fact that we always say, and i know i've heard you say before, it's all about freedom of expression and freedom of speech . and i think freedom of speech. and i think if they feel impassioned to take a stand, whether it's genuine or not, most of the time i don't think it is. but who am i to think it is. but who am ito judge then? we support that. so if they want to do that, fair

enough. and i actually used to say, you know, why did you go? you shouldn't have to you shouldn't have gone to qatar. then the end of qatar. but then at the end of the i also the the day, i also take the approach when came to women's approach when it came to women's rights women in the rights or women in the workplace, or if we all had that attitude, yes, they afford attitude, yes, they can afford it. but say, for example, it. but let's say, for example, when couldn't even as when we couldn't even vote as women, have said women, should we then have said with same argument, let's with the same argument, let's not try and participate, not even try and participate, let's because let's not go to work, because it's misogynistic. have let's not go to work, because it':go isogynistic. have let's not go to work, because it':go because ic. have let's not go to work, because it':go because that's have let's not go to work, because it':go because that's their have to go because that's their career . so a to go because that's their career. so a bit torn to go because that's their career . so a bit torn with career. so i'm a bit torn with this whole you know, they shouldn't have gone. i see where people are coming from. it does look hypocritical. i'm look hypocritical. however i'm a huge advocate for freedom of expression and speech , and if expression and speech, and if they want to do that, then i don't why someone watching don't see why someone watching the game, why so the game, why are you so bothered if they want to take the i don't with the knee? i don't agree with taking the. if they want to taking the. but if they want to do it, why we upset? well, do it, why are we upset? well, yes, because it's no them. as yes, because it's no on them. as in the visuals. i think if they did it as individuals, more power to them. that is because it's come from a directive from above and that is just so it's

no how have you received it? have you have you actually spoken to any of the footballers to say, do you feel forced or did it come from above or do you actually want to do it? i think you'd be surprised how good good luck. good luck. the one luck. good luck. being the one player that doesn't take the knee. and that's that's knee. exactly. and that's that's the objection here, isn't it. well, what individuals do well, what these individuals do in their private lives entirely a matter for them, of course, they have and should have complete freedom expression, complete freedom of expression, but mix it up but they shouldn't mix it up with stage job, especially with the stage job, especially as tremendous moral as this tremendous moral pressure upon them in this situation to conform them. and as we know, fifa is massively hypocritical and for reasons that we've heard, footballers it does this but but we don't employ these people to talk balls we employ them to kick balls. and that's what they should remember. so are you saying the athletes should be mute? they have no right to express they when they're in public. think i think a public. i think i think it's a different matter. i would suggest, to interrupt

suggest, too. sorry to interrupt you, let come in. you, neil. i'll let you come in. but i that privately, as but i think that privately, as individuals, they do say individuals, they can do and say whatever they like. but if they represent their or if they represent their club or if they represent their club or if they represent their club or if they represent their country, i think we just don't have any emblems or any campaigns. i think they just play football. if i watch a football match, i go there to watch football. i don't go there to watch people who are playing apart. you know, we were talking about performance theatre earlier with meghan markle and prince harry. this is another form of that . they don't talk of form of that. they don't talk of their political opinions if they've got any actually , i they've got any actually, i don't suppose that we would get very far if we suddenly started cross questioning legree about their political views . we all their political views. we all know where their brains are usually is not on the top of their heads. but so. so i don't think this is any more than what you said , mark. this is just you said, mark. this is just pointless . but you see this this pointless. but you see this this is the fans don't like it. i'm sorry. this is sadly, i agree. this is a not all sadly, but this is a reflection of our

country. we can see that there's a huge tone of what what is considered to be woke agenda. so what do you expect when you say they're there to represent the club? i think the club has, like you said, probably applied pressure for them to do these things. but i would say to footballers, why can't they be more forceful confident , say, more forceful or confident, say, well, i don't want to take well, if i don't want to take the i won't take the knee. the knee, i won't take the knee. because they're is my because what they're more is my step. they're very young. and because they an awful lot because they feel an awful lot of get torn to pieces and of people get torn to pieces and they're having the wrong view, i guess we spoken to them, though. there's assumptions there's all these assumptions that, really that, oh, they didn't really want the knee. maybe want to take the knee. maybe they . well, they're they did. well, they're much more interested the more interested in taking the money, than taking off. money, i think, than taking off. but i don't not know. that's okay. it's time for the bike shop. got very good . i've got okay. it's time for the bike sho case got very good . i've got okay. it's time for the bike sho case on»t very good . i've got okay. it's time for the bike sho case on myery good . i've got okay. it's time for the bike sho case on my phone,i . i've got okay. it's time for the bike sho case on my phone, soi've got okay. it's time for the bike sho case on my phone, so ire got okay. it's time for the bike sho case on my phone, so i can't the case on my phone, so i can't let it actually fall. we do need. we need it at some point. we need to bring a microphone. it you go. that do it there you go. that will do it. folks, we do have lots it. look, folks, we do have lots more to get through in the program. i'm looking forward to my tim farron

my conversation with tim farron next. leader of next. he's the former leader of the dems. he'll talk about the lib dems. he'll talk about his the his political journey, what the lib do at the next lib dems could do at the next election and what they need to do to get your vote. plus the papers at exactly 1030 sharp. don't anywhere .

i'll get to your emails shortly . but it's time now for mark mates . yes, indeed. it's time mates. yes, indeed. it's time for mark mates in which i speak to the biggest names in the world of politics, sport and beyond. tonight i'm delighted to welcome a highly respected and popular mp and the who was the leader of the liberal democrats from 2015 to 2017. tim farron currently serves as the lib dem spokesman for housing , spokesman for housing, communities and local government

and food and rural affairs. and he is the member of parliament for westmorland and lonsdale. tim, welcome to the show. mark you're right, the biggest names, thanks having me. absolutely. listen former leader of the party and that must have been a wonderful high point in your career, a great privilege. a great privilege. i mean, i honestly, i'm not sure it would be the high point. and in one sense, i guess if you join the party at 16 to go on and lead eight is you can have all two my ambition and i even as a very enthusiastic 16 year old i knew i wasn't making a an enormously you know powerful career move to join the liberals. so i don't suppose i ever expected i'd be a minister or prime minister or anything like that. honestly, the thing i love doing most is being a constituency mp and it's why i think a lot of people who've been leaders or ministers or what have you, and they look pretty crestfallen and like everything is all of it second best for them after they've had to give up the top job, so to

speak. i don't feel like that at all. i think serving people, representing place representing a beautiful place such i'm currently such as the one i'm currently speaking is speaking to, you from and is a great privilege. and i think there's something quite wonderful being and not wonderful about being and not post. we're quite post ambitious . so i can i can say what i think. yes, you can. you're definitely off message now. i think you did a really good job as leader of the lib dems. i thought you were very visible and i thought you brought great profile to the party. and i know that there are there are you know, there's a mood of optimism within the party about the next election will come that. but let's talk your story. let's talk about your story. first why did you enter first of all, why did you enter politics not labour? or politics and why not labour? or the conservatives ? well, first the conservatives? well, first of all, i think you should be slightly suspicious of any politician who's got to need to story. and you know, somehow whilst we sat down, i had a great epiphany or what have you. i think the bottom line was i grew in the eighties in grew up in the eighties in lancashire. without realising lancashire. i without realising that it was poverty, saw quite a lot of it around me . the penny

lot of it around me. the penny dropped and probably around about 14, 15 that many of the policies which i kind of have some respect for what she achieved but many of the policies that mrs. thatcher basically made and half the kids , half my mates at school, i have parents who are unemployed and caused great devastation to our communities. but i always felt like i was an awkward kid and the labour party was if the tory was a nationalist tory party was a nationalist establishment, labour with the local establishment and so liberals with the people i meet were a bit awkward. who thought you should be allowed to think for ? i believe i for yourself? i believe also, i think liberals have think that the liberals have what i call a pragmatic principle but pragmatic approach , the economy, not trying to follow one dogma or another , you follow one dogma or another, you know, free marketeer and economics versus socialist economics versus socialist economics , you sometimes got to economics, you sometimes got to do what works to make sure the economy works for the people, because that's what really matters . so yeah, broadly matters. so yeah, broadly speaking, those things sort of led me to conclude that i was a liberal and i, you know, i like

the cuts of the jib of people like shirley williams and david steele. i thought they were steele. and i thought they were that them that an authenticity about them and that david steele and something that david steele said tipped it said i think really tipped it for me was he said any liberal he doesn't disagree with at least of policies least 10% of liberal policies isn't really a liberal. i thought , isn't really a liberal. i thought, yeah, i want to join a party where to think of party where i don't to think of myself. well i think always myself. well i think it's always been offer to the been a strong offer to the electorate. this idea of electorate. it's this idea of progress , distribution of progress, distribution of wealth, pro welfare state, but business friendly, which i guess is the sweet spot . however, is the sweet spot. however, these days i do wonder whether these days i do wonder whether the lib dems have shifted a little to the left. what the difference now between labour and the lib dems ? well, a lot of and the lib dems? well, a lot of things. one of which you just put your finger on. i don't think the labour party really get business when it talks about business. it feels like he's got to qualify it and talk about good capitalism and what have you. course were against you. and of course were against people behaved the people who behaved badly in the marketplace people who abuse marketplace and people who abuse that that's why that power. and that's why a genuinely market has to genuinely free market has to have referee. that's the have a referee. that's the role of state make sure there

of the state to make sure there is fairness and people don't abuse they've abuse the position they've they've what led to they've got. that's what led to they've got. that's what led to the in 2000, two thousand the crash in 2000, two thousand and seven, 2008, which i think we're still suffering the consequences of. but liberals believe that free market is a good thing, that business is a good thing, that business is a good thing, that often every entrepreneurial spirit, if i can say, is a is actually part of the liberal spirit, is to want to be creative is to want to make your own way in the world, to show initiative and to create opportunities for others. and whilst in whilst i also believe in a strong state to make that strong state to make sure that decent services decent public services and fairness you have that if fairness, you can't have that if you got a thriving you haven't got a thriving economy with strong businesses. i that's exactly right. i think that's exactly right. now credit where it's due. the lib—dems spoke up against vaccine mandate aids for which i salute however what about those lockdown , tim? surely the lockdown, tim? surely the liberal approach would have been the policies we saw in sweden . the policies we saw in sweden. so what is your thoughts on that? i wonder whether it's a blot on the copybook, the liberal democrats didn't stand

with the likes of steve baker and mark harper in being at least sceptical about the idea of shutting people down in their homes on and off for two and a half years . i mean, sceptical is half years. i mean, sceptical is the right thing, but i think you've also to look at the balance of evidence in front of you. and i think looking back to it was absolutely the right thing to take those kind of measures. my worry is one of the reasons why liberal democrats voted against the voted against often the continuation of those covid laws is because my worry is that something necessary. and i actually think on balance it was necessary at the early part of the of the pandemic. nevertheless, you can then create be honest politicians if you're not careful , if they're you're not careful, if they're not careful, if we're not careful , you get a little bit careful, you get a little bit too comfortable having draconian powers for example, we had id cards during the war. i kind of just about accept there was a need for them. the fact we still had them well into the 1950s is a reminder that politicians don't like letting go of the controls they've got and a good

liberal should be sceptical . all liberal should be sceptical. all people who want to hold power and hold power, including and do hold power, including ourselves and the clocks against us. but i would love to ask you, tim, how has your faith shaped your politics and your life and what i miss the most important decision i've made . and one was decision i've made. and one was we can get into the deep theology of whether it is my decision or whether the faith itself is a grace from god. but i think to understand that that, you know , i am not my own and you know, i am not my own and i owe an account to an almighty creator that's very, very counter counter—cultural and i think also that i believe that all human beings are forgivable and is also deeply counter cultural. and i think in this very angry society that we live in today, where there appears to be no room for forgiveness for anybody, for anything. and so i think that obviously affects how i look at my politics. but it also means i believe every single human made in the image of god as ultimate dignity. you

know, the most awesome thing you see through the james webb telescope is awesome all telescope and it is awesome all the in the universe not the stuff in the universe not not one of those things you see out there. it is awesome . and as out there. it is awesome. and as important as mark and made in the image, therefore you hold huge every single huge dignity and every single person does, whether like person does, whether we like them and hopefully means them or not. and hopefully means that will understand that you will understand that you've them fairly you've got to treat them fairly and for them irrespective and care for them irrespective of their opinions. that's a wonderful sentiment and i echo it wholehearted . lee we'll have it wholehearted. lee we'll have to go. rapid fire or i'll get in huge trouble with christina. producer who let me tell you, is quite a liberal she wants to be. so can we power through a couple of issues? first of all, i the lib dems want to introduce legal regulated market for cannabis. do you agree with this? yeah do broadly. i'm not i'm not a libertarian when it comes to drugs. i do think that all liberals should be concerned about anything that robs you of your liberty an addiction, robs civil liberties . so i'm not civil liberties. so i'm not a libertarian. i don't think drugs are do no harm . i think are fine and do no harm. i think they do enormous harm. but i

also think the current laws are massively productive massively counter productive because about brexit? because they. what about brexit? is now ? isn't time for is time now? isn't it time for the dems to move on from the lib dems to move on from brexit to accept the result and to make a success of it? i think we're the last people talking about i the conservative about it. i see the conservative party constantly banging on about brexit we're about brexit benefits. we're just trying to concentrate how you the country you might run the country better. is what the better. my worry is what the government to do. talk government wants to do. talk about brexit because that's last year's yesterday's war, year's war or yesterday's war, because can't win the because they can't win the current can't win the current one, they can't win the battle hearts and minds battle with the hearts and minds over how can run over whether and how you can run the tim, you're a man the economy. tim, you're a man of honour. amount of your of honour. your amount of your word, there's word, if there's another coalition of course coalition government, of course it has happened in 2010. can you promise that a lib dem coalition would not reverse brexit ? i very would not reverse brexit? i very much doubt that will happen in in the near future . my in the near future. my prediction is that within the next 20 years the uk will probably be back in the european union unless the eu has changed so dramatically that the uk , so dramatically that the uk, even people like me, would

choose not to join it. so we'll wait and see. but i'm fairly confident that the economic realities of damage we've realities of the damage we've done ourselves means will done to ourselves means we will edge closer to europe edge closer and closer to europe . rejoined the eu . bokassa has rejoined the eu for at least ten years, probably more . tim, lovely meet you more. tim, lovely to meet you for the first time to join us again in the near future. former lib dem leader and now a proud constituency mp tim farron. thanks tim. next up, it's the papers . don't go anywhere .

welcome back to mark dolan tonight . it's time now for the tonight. it's time now for the papers and they are hot off the press. let us start with the financial times. let's have a little sting, though. come . on little sting, though. come. on you got those nice production elements. you may as well use them. thank you. to the brilliant diego familia who is

the genius behind all of the visuals here at gb news. talented guy. let's have a look at the financial times and here's what they lead with . two here's what they lead with. two meps held as qatari corruption scandal shakes europe in parliaments. that's a developing story which we will watch closely at the metro next. it's coming home, three lions, heroes back in england. they are the subject of my take you ten if you missed it you can find it on twitter at gb news. nine, nine, nine. to save ice lake horror victims after six children plunged into a freezing lake after ice they were playing on gave way . four were pulled out gave way. four were pulled out and given cpr , all by fire and given cpr, all by fire rescue. a officials then rushed to hospital in critical condition , but a search using condition, but a search using boats , a helicopter and drones boats, a helicopter and drones was still going on last night for two others feared dead in solihull in the west midlands, a tragic and devastating story. the independent next minister has refused plea from nurses for

pay has refused plea from nurses for pay talks . government accused of pay talks. government accused of dangerous attitude as walkouts loom also meet ukraine's secret weapon behind enemy lines. ordinary citizens are risking their lives to help fight back against russia . the guardian against russia. the guardian tories under fire over plans for military act as strikebreakers plans of military staff to cover for striking workers are to be discussed at a cabinet office cobra meeting amid warnings that overstretched troops are being used. repeat tadley to bail out ministers unable to solve disputes also fall into icy lake leaves four children critical. a story i've just mentioned there and painful exit for england message to fans stick with us. yeah, well, we've been doing that. we always do enough already with the stick. i want to get unstuck. the daily mirror. now proud of you, england. home after world cup exit and. big freeze nightmare. children in ice lake terror. same story in the express lake horror for children critical after falling into freezing

water whilst playing on ice . the water whilst playing on ice. the daily telegraph children in frozen lake plunge. rail strikes will force families to hold a virtual christmas. not again . virtual christmas. not again. enough already with those zoom dnnks enough already with those zoom drinks parties. we had two and a half years of that. also, electricity prices soar as temperatures fall . the daily temperatures fall. the daily mail now horror. temperatures fall. the daily mail now horror . the frozen lake mail now horror. the frozen lake for children fight for life after ice plunge . fears two more after ice plunge. fears two more are missing . and last but not are missing. and last but not least, the daily star three lions mascot winds . kids coming lions mascot winds. kids coming home gutted england players won't be coming home empty handed after all. manchester city stars , stones and kyle city stars, stones and kyle walker have adopted a stray cat called dave. they go. finally, we've got a winner in the world cup and those are your front pages. let's get reaction now from my lovely. we have lizzie, zita, neil hamilton and lin mei and let's have a look , shall we,

and let's have a look, shall we, at to this really, really tragic story. and this is for children rescued from a frozen lake but in critical condition. lynne may to others feared dead. absolutely tragic. yeah it's so sad. i was just discussing with the others that we don't often have weather that we're seeing now. the snow. i mean, it's beautiful but i think i don't want to criticise parents however it's so important that you remind your children and stay away from no matter how thick it looks, how icy, how inviting . often times it's inviting. often times it's a very thin layer, which is easy to crack through the i remember this also happened to a park near me some years ago i can almost now i've got a daughter. i can hardly even read this story. it'sjust i can hardly even read this story. it's just absolute , story. it's just absolute, really horrific. but yes , you're really horrific. but yes, you're absolutely right. you have to stay away from them. then you have to keep. may you neil if you had any any mishaps in the cold weather as a child. no, but i did fall into a river once, so

that wasn't frozen. and i suppose i could have drowned . suppose i could have drowned. yeah, i did manage to send you swim. let well, i couldn't then that i swim. let well, i couldn't then thati can swim. let well, i couldn't then that i can not. but i'm afraid these things do happen. they're very tragic when they do . and very tragic when they do. and particularly this time of year just for christmas. obviously that makes it much more poignant when you imagine so. and it's a horrific . well, neil, a reminder horrific. well, neil, a reminder of the power and the peril of nature. right, exactly . we're nature. right, exactly. we're surrounded by it all the time, but we've become insulated against it because in the modern world, there are lots of kids who don't really get grips with nature at all. when i was a kid and we climb trees, we went wandering around . nobody ever wandering around. nobody ever thought of the danger years which are attendant today upon children being allowed to roam free. it was a much simpler more innocent world in many, many ways . yeah, it was. but the main ways. yeah, it was. but the main reason for that is the amount of cars and off pavements. yeah

become roads as well with like parking across driveways, people parking across driveways, people parking not to mention e—scooters. it's a yeah absolutely. that, that is the biggest part of that's why i used to plant on the streets all the time. yeah. nice to come home when it was dog but i wouldn't dream of allowing the kids to do that now . you know, kids to do that now. you know, the culture has changed. definitely. we're in a risk averse culture. i certainly when my kids were small, i took them to school in the car, whereas i got the bus when i was a kid or walked my mum walked seven miles each way. she grew up in ireland now. but it's not though because children are going to have communication i see communication issues. i see now so children just glued so many children are just glued to yeah, it's like you to an ipad. yeah, it's like you try and speak to them you try and speak to them or you know, and rough and know, go out and rough and tumble mud on you. it's tumble get of mud on you. it's like, just the number of like, no, just the number of times you into people in times you bump into people in the they're the street because they're looking mobile phones looking at their mobile phones rather they're going. rather than where they're going. i've been guilty, definitely. by the the conditions there the way, the conditions there are front page are pretty brutal front page of the times storm chaser

are pretty brutal front page of tithey've times storm chaser are pretty brutal front page of tithey've just times storm chaser are pretty brutal front page of tithey've just gotzs storm chaser are pretty brutal front page of tithey've just got a storm chaser are pretty brutal front page of tithey've just got a picture :haser . they've just got a picture there beautiful stag in a there of a beautiful stag in a kind of snowy scene in a forest . and we all now in the grip of a cold snap and this is bad news for people and their energy bills. yeah, it's the coldest time of the year and the most expensive busy. and there's no wind there's no wind. what wind and there's no wind. what ever to renewable ever happened to those renewable 7 ever happened to those renewable ? generating of our ? we were generating 2% of our electricity this electricity by wind. this morning. neil morning. electricity prices neil hamilton saw as temperatures fall and a self—inflicted crisis arguably. absolutely, completely self—inflicted, become an overwhelming way dependent upon sources of energy that we don't control. yeah absolutely. half of our electricity generation comes from gas. we we've allowed our gas fields in the north sea to with an almost a point of extinction and our brilliant chancellor of the exchequer has now increased the tax on oil and gas extraction in the north sea to 65. so is any wonder that oil and gas companies are looking elsewhere to invest in the future? but he's more so than

that. we have this problem in the seventies. i'm sorry we did not sort it out. then we should have been looking at renewables , the seventies and nuclear and renewables would be no use to us this week. yeah, he would. percent of our electricity by wind that we've got brilliant technology in this country is underinvested in there are all the solutions there and we could have been looking at it from the surface if you've been drunk we would have been drinking the zero kool—aid because germany spent the last time investing . spent the last time investing. we spoke about this. we tend to go march and look at them now poundsis go march and look at them now pounds is to no t £10.10 years pounds is to not £10.10 years isn't enough time. if we had doneit isn't enough time. if we had done it from the seventies and if we had enough money pumped into it, i think it might, but we're not used to. we would be. hang on a second. i'm finished that we would not be in the position that we're in because i mean, look at germany. germany is practically in bed with in terms of you know, meghan is

mark coal and you know it's not right. well germany close down. you mean angela merkel the way i do mean welcome . all and i don't do mean welcome. all and i don't mean going you don't but they marco is a busy lady but i don't think don't i don't answer that i don't think prince harry would have been interested in marrying angela merkel . she's a woman of angela merkel. she's a woman of substance , as i say. so where do substance, as i say. so where do we go from here? mean there's the problem now is this ship can't be turned around quickly. we've in cumbria. we've got one mine in cumbria. i guess that's a the right guess that's a step in the right direction your of view, direction from your of view, neil. i don't coal neil. well, i don't think coal is going be the answer to is going to be the answer to electricity because . electricity generation because. certainly british deep mines concerned the cost of extraction is very high. relative speaking , we are overwhelmingly dependent upon gas for electricity generation . what we electricity generation. what we need to do is have a programme for rebuilding our nuclear fleet because 20% of our electricity

was generated from the uk, not down to 15 and that will shrink the years go on stations , are the years go on stations, are decommissioned and we need to ramp up production of oil and gas in the north sea. ramp up production of oil and gas in the north sea . renewables gas in the north sea. renewables are complete nonsense that we wouldn't have any windmills if weren't enforced. taxpayer subsidies to firms to build them and anyway will they need to be replaced after 25 years because they did over time and not carbon free in their construction for the huge blocks concrete in order to hang on second and also they don't work when the wind doesn't blow and when the wind doesn't blow and when the wind is strong . okay. when the wind is strong. okay. i'd like to respond to that because . gas and oil . there they because. gas and oil. there they are . we need to find another way are. we need to find another way forward because it's just not going to be there in years to come. but it's coming and we're not going to be around 300 years time. yeah, but we have to think about future generations. you don't have any children? i do. so have think about these so we have to think about these

things. lynn, you are the future. i think the youngest member panel. how dare member of the panel. how dare you ? think accidentally you? i think i accidentally called you a student earlier . called you a student earlier. you can be a student at any age. yeah, you are your vet. your very ever used for you are young so. so what do you want to see in terms of energy policy in the future that works best for you know, i do. i do agree with nuclear is not really working especially i work in housing especially as i work in housing as a localised as well and from a localised level , especially if we look at level, especially if we look at solar panels, it's to its use . solar panels, it's to its use. so you mean renewables are not working, not grid sorry, renewables. renewables we're all doing it. it's but yeah, i just don't think that that feasible to be honest with you. like to be honest with you. and like you what did we have 2% you said what did we have 2% this week because the wind is so dependent on that and yeah i don't think that works. so you have to you have to have a new technology. we should have been invested many ago, but you invested many years ago, but you said we technologically said that we technologically forward. haven't come forward. why haven't we come further why the further in ten years. why the investment? because the vast amount of investment that is needed.so amount of investment that is needed. so what are these and

incredible technical wind isn't a new technology but but but you know the key point is you have to have backup power stations for when the wind doesn't was too strong so your capital investment is double what it needs to be. it's massive waste of resources and it can only be sustained by an forced taxes, which put into the pockets of multi—millionaire developers of wind farms, most of whom are foreign anyway, although to back . to foreign anyway, although to back. to degree are going to have to find alternative to fossil fuel . but alternative to fossil fuel. but i guess the issue is when not if look, i'll get to your thoughts shortly. market gb news dot uk on email . we've got more from on email. we've got more from the papers and in the news agenda with my panel. all tattoos a step too far and have christmas markets have their day to you shortly .

money well, the highlight of the show is always emails market gb news scott uk. this from john who says hi mark. it's a fab snowy evening, but this crisis did me . do you throw your shoes did me. do you throw your shoes away ? you've got another pair to away? you've got another pair to replace them. not unless you're daft . but that's the way these daft. but that's the way these energy zealots have done it. nutters says jonny. thank you . nutters says jonny. thank you. that more from the papers. lots of big, juicy stories to get through . and how about this one? through. and how about this one? which i've got to say my eye and it's a young model who had a few dnnks. it's a young model who had a few drinks . she got a bit drunk and drinks. she got a bit drunk and she woke up with a face tattoo. let me tell you that she's called lottie moss and she's kate moss's little sister. i think we've got a photograph of this young woman. and that's the face tattoo . it happened after face tattoo. it happened after a wild night of drinking. the only

fans told her instagram followers she would learn to love the new feature her face, but warned don't drink alcohol, kids she may learn to love her new ink , but she going to new ink, but she going to regrets it . but what do you regrets it. but what do you think about face tattoos? mark@gbnews.uk lin mei i just think it's a bit of a non—story, to be honest. there's so many laser treatments you can get that can be gone in a week. really? yeah i've got a lot really? yeah like i've got a lot of tattoos myself, but like of tattoos myself, but i like the flexibility of no where the quality . i the flexibility of no where the quality. i like the flexibility of no where the quality . i like the flexibility quality. i like the flexibility of you know, whipping them out . of you know, whipping them out. that's my tattoos. that is all covering them up and being professional because i'm always in court. so i think the face is a bit too much. yeah, i see. so you they'd be, i guess in part through your arm pretty really brilliant and not saying to you you control it you can. yes, yes, yes, yes, yes and i mean we associate don't we, lynn? facial

tattoos, perhaps people that go to prison and things like that and terrifying gangsters, you know, those that have the teardrop under the eye. yeah, but they're those people. i think we've progressed a bit in terms of i know some people to be, you know, old school and that's absolutely fine. but i think some people are expressive and see it as on their body and i think there's nothing wrong with that as yeah, but on with that as well. yeah, but on face i mean lizzie lo tattoos i absolutely loathe them and i have begged and begged daughter not to get one. i'm sure that day will come . hopefully it day will come. hopefully it won't be on her face, but i just think that, you know, i worked in the fashion industry for many years . now in the fashion industry for many years. now you in the fashion industry for many years . now you get these things years. now you get these things done when you're 20 or 25 or even 30. but many is down the road . what she has on her face road. what she has on her face is going to be dropped down. it's going to look awful i'm not so sure if you can get really good. you know, i think you know what? i think you'll views on thatis what? i think you'll views on that is a bit archaic because my mum is in her sixties and for

the first time she's just got a huge sleeve and a whole back on and it looks amazing. then my mum is in really good shape. i think it's actually a motivator . i'll just say i think it's a good way to be willing to show her tattoos to neil hamilton . her tattoos to neil hamilton. maybe he possibly because neil's very curious person , oh, this is very curious person, oh, this is not really my is he is christine inked at. no no no not i've seen recently unless she had something done on the way back from the studio that's all but i mean , i remember there was an mean, i remember there was an admiral who had a hunt in full crier done. is that right. his bottom . he had that done when bottom. he had that done when was young and innocent . i don't was young and innocent. i don't know whether you have a regret. i mean, do you think it should be a condition of employment that you don't have a facial tattoo because? neil hamilton if you're in a front facing a pubuc you're in a front facing a public facing business, perhaps employers a employers wouldn't want with a face wouldn't . i face tattoo. i wouldn't. i certainly that that is certainly think that that is true in many, many cases because

i support that. yeah, because i a business is image is often very vital to its commercial success and so if somebody wants to work for that business they've got to conform to yeah i always say they have the freedom to go and get a facial tattoo but then don't be upset if a company says they don't want you working for them it's. give it's give and take. yes and of course we go back to lynn mae's golden rule is that we live in a free world. it's freedom of expression. want to paint expression. if you want to paint your face. good luck with that. go it. but don't come crying go for it. but don't come crying to us when you face consequences before for it. so one before you go for it. so one thing is that you had to be very radical. have a tattoo. yeah it was very. yes. and really radical. quite brave. quite brave. every got to ten if you're not inked, you're unusual. so it's like the minority. you don't have one. do you have a tattoo? i don't think so, no. everybody otherwise wouldn't be the minority. when i go on holiday. and i look at people, i think that one's going

to start on you later. disgusted because of fat, flabby male flesh covered with income and what could be more? well, no, i love them. a fabulous bodies. let's not be twisted that being bitten twist has got me where i am today. you right? a quick word on christmas markets . we word on christmas markets. we discussed it with the team at their popping up around the country. i think a bit of a german idea, isn't it, divina markets. oh, that's fabulous. well, what do we think about these christmas? because there's concern how they are and concern about how they are and also how shoddy a lot of the produces . do you go to christmas produces. do you go to christmas markets? yes but i've been to salzburg. afraid i'm if that salzburg. i'm afraid i'm if that makes me sound. had the makes me sound. you've had the deal real news for beautiful christmas markets. fantastic yeah, really magical. christmas markets. fantastic yeah, really magical . are they yeah, really magical. are they really british? these christmas markets, it feels a little bit of continental creation . we of continental creation. we don't have them in malmesbury , don't have them in malmesbury, although they are priced though. but i don't mind that because you've got to take into account how much trade do these small

sort of companies get ? you know, sort of companies get? you know, traders get if they want to work up the price and taurus or whoever to. i paid up the price and taurus or whoever to. i pai d £6.50 for whoever to. i paid £6.50 for a tiny bit of mulled wine but if you if you don't want to pay that then just don't go why complain about it ? do you go to complain about it? do you go to them? do you go the christmas market? yeah, i went to one in kings cross. it was tiny the mulled wine was i had like about three gulps and it gone three gulps and it was gone £6.50. you know, that's expensive well it sounds it listen , i'm very excited because listen, i'm very excited because i'm . i'm looking after mark i'm back. i'm looking after mark steyn show on wednesday and thursday. so i'll be on air from eight on wednesday and thursday . but headliners is next and leo cos he's in the hot seat. hey leo, what's happening. oh man. we've a great show tonight we've got a great show tonight on headliners 11 pm. i'm going to be with comedians marks to be with comedians kerry marks and paul cox. we'll be going through tomorrow's top stories and, some stupid stories as well. we've got the albanian protesters who i don't know if you remember that they complained stereotyped as complained being stereotyped as criminals. it turns

criminals. well it turns out they were criminals . those are they were criminals. those are they were criminals. those are the who drink the flag. the guys who drink the flag. over over. winston churchill's statue . there are people statue. there are people smugglers , new zealand and the smugglers, new zealand and the other side of . the globe has other side of. the globe has rejected a refugee for being too fat , even though she's been fat, even though she's been vaccinated and labour are trying to roll brexit. if they get into power . so yeah stick around to roll brexit. if they get into power. so yeah stick around and watch it you might as well because you're not going to go to work tomorrow because of this new cannot wait for this show the brilliant leo kearse is next. i'm on wednesday at next. i'm back on wednesday at and of course back next weekend as thanks the team, to as well thanks to the team, to my brilliant panel and most importantly, you at home. take care and warm . looking care and stay warm. looking ahead weather and ahead to tomorrow's weather and the uk is looking very cold with a severe frost freezing fog in places and some wintry showers. let's take look at the details across scotland . wintry showers across scotland. wintry showers will continue through tomorrow morning. most frequent around the coasts further inland, it will be a bitterly cold and icy start with a widespread frost , a start with a widespread frost, a very cold and widely frosty

morning for northern ireland with patches of freezing fog that may cause some travel disruption tomorrow morning, a mostly dry start for northern england, though, with patches of freezing fog as well as icy stretches on roads and pavements across wales . tomorrow morning across wales. tomorrow morning it will be cold and icy with patches of mist and freezing fog . it will also be mostly dry though there may be the odd shower for northern coasts , shower for northern coasts, mostly dry start across the midlands , though there may be midlands, though there may be the odd wintry in the far east. patches of freezing fog and icy stretches will also make for difficult travelling conditions . there may be some isolated wintry showers across east anglia tomorrow morning will also be a cold start with icy stretches on roads potentially causing travel disruption during the rush hour overnight. wintry showers may still linger in the far south of england tomorrow morning . there may be some lying morning. there may be some lying snow in places that alongside icy stretches may lead travel delays remaining cold with any freezing fog patches lingering

for much of the morning wintry showers will continue . some showers will continue. some coastal regions and that is how the weather is shaping up during tomorrow morning .

good evening. i'm tatiana sanchezin good evening. i'm tatiana sanchez in the gb newsroom west midlands ambulance service , four midlands ambulance service, four children who were pulled from a lake in sully hall are all on life support. it says the children were in cardiac arrest when they came out of the water at baps mill park in kings herts this afternoon . emergency this afternoon. emergency services say from the scene indicate the children had been playing on the ice and fell through. west midlands service says they were told up to six people had gone into the water. specialist medical advice that we've been given on scene is that given the temperature of the water , given the age of