women gay rights, the rights of women , which are just appalling in that country , they have no that country, they have no rights. there is an app that i think there's been i million downloads whereby the men control the women . what they do, control the women. what they do, if they can get a driving licence, if they can get an education. it's endless . why go education. it's endless. why go to a country? the whole decision in the first place was off. it was wrong. it wasn't moral. and you know, they do all this sickness signalling. it's after the horse sickness signalling. it's after louis through. paul yes, if not.

michael portillo . matt hancock michael portillo. matt hancock plans documentary series on assisted dying and dyslexia year after he steps down as mp . now after he steps down as mp. now some would say that matt hancock has a lot of experience in assist in dying, but i do think hello there. welcome to dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry the show where we get into some of the things that have got you today but not harry and meghan, not harry and that's not for me. i'm trying . and you managed i'm trying. and you managed about one and a bit episodes. that's all great for the team, but that's all i could best if. you want h&m. this is not the

show if you want to get show you but if you want to get into call the more into i would call the more important things on in important things going on in this then this is the this country then this is the show for you strikes the health secretary currently meeting secretary is currently meeting nursing speak nursing unions as we speak assuming that they're going to plan with timings. how plan with that timings. how involved think government involved do you think government should be when it comes to all of these kind of union negotiations ? more hands oh, negotiations? more hands on? oh, not. and with that, we now find out that we record high waiting lists the nhs record high , a&e lists the nhs record high, a&e waiting lists and all the rest of i'm asking you, what do you the answer is i, i think i've come up with something if steve butler is watching he can have my suggestion for free i'll tell you what it is. you can judge whether not you think it's a good one and post brexit britain who do you think we should do trade deals with ? james cleverly trade deals with? james cleverly he's speaking saying that he's been speaking saying that going some middle going to focus on some middle level countries, people are level countries, some people are saying basically that means it's a race to and we couldn't a race to bottom and we couldn't care less. the rights care less. the human rights records of countries. is that true or is it just common sense

to trade everybody and christmas party when is a christmas party not all christmas party, should i say? well apparently someone is offended by the concept of christmas. some civil servants have been told to collect christmas festivities , avoid christmas festivities, avoid drinking alcohol. if this people are at a server, come off it. so if you're offended by don't go to a christmas party. i'm wrong. you tell me . and of all of that you tell me. and of all of that to come. but first, let's bring us up to speed with tonight's latest headlines headlines . latest headlines headlines. michel, thank you. and we begin bulletin with some breaking news just coming to us within the last 15 minutes or so. police have named seven people believed to have been killed following an explosion at a block of flats , explosion at a block of flats, jersey, over the weekend . they jersey, over the weekend. they are peter bowler , raymond brown, are peter bowler, raymond brown, roman luis de almeida. derek and sylvia ellis. and marston. five people are known to have died

following the blast in st helier detail on that as it reaches us . well, another news today rail strikes will continue into the christmas period . members of the christmas period. members of the rmt union rejected the latest pay rmt union rejected the latest pay offer on the table. 63% of the union's members turned down deal offer by network rail of a 5% pay rise this year and then a 4% pay rise in 2023. now 248 hour strikes will go ahead and passengers are being warned to expect and cancellations tomorrow and wednesday as well as on friday and saturday, government ministers have been holding an emergency meeting in, a bid to minimise disruption. the chancellor of the duchy of lancaster oliver dowden says all strikes be called off. the single best thing that could be done to minimise those risks , done to minimise those risks, can't eliminate them altogether is for the strikes to be called off and for those unions to once

again engage with the employer. because i think it's only fair and reasonable that at a time when people are struggling both with the consequence of the situation in russia ukraine, we emerge from covid and indeed this winter. i don't think most people think it's fair reasonable to undertake these . reasonable to undertake these. so my message to them would be even please call them off . even please call them off. meanwhile, ambulance and a number of nhs workers in scotland have called off strike action following a pay deal with the scottish government. two unions unite and unison say an average of 62% of their members backed the pay offer on the table for the lowest paid. it would mean an point 3% pay rise, with an average rise of seven and a half percent for all. well, the other main story on gb news three young boys have , news three young boys have, after falling through an icy in solihull yesterday . police say solihull yesterday. police say the children aged between eight and 11 were in cardiac arrest

when they were pulled from the icy water in kings hurst. a fourth boy, aged six, remains a critical condition in hospital . critical condition in hospital. one police officer was released from hospital following treatment for hypothermia after he tried to punch through the ice to reach the. chief superintendent richard harris says a search of the lake has continued to establish if anyone fell into the water . we have to fell into the water. we have to be 100% certain and the no. one else possibly in water at this time . well, it's important to time. well, it's important to stress, though, that had no contact from anybody suggesting that there's anybody else missing. but until we're 100% certain, we will be carried on searches throughout the course today. searches throughout the course today . a lab technician has been today. a lab technician has been found guilty of murdering his work colleague at his parents in leicestershire last . ross leicestershire last. ross mccullum pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of 23 year old meghan newborough but claimed he couldn't be guilty of murder

because he acted after loss of control triggered by his victim. he said went into a blind rage set by undiagnosed ptsd caused by unreported sexual abuse. the court heard how he tried to cover up her murder by hiding her clothes in bins and professing his love for her in a voicemail . 3 hours after he'd voicemail. 3 hours after he'd killed her. now, the chancellor, jeremy hunt, has warned a tough road ahead , despite the fact road ahead, despite the fact that britain's economy grew between september and october . between september and october. figures from the office for. national statistics show a 5.3. 5% increase in gdp during october. however the economy has shrunk overall, looking at the last three months. the shadow chancellor, rachel reeves, says numbers underline the government's failure grow the economy. jeremy hunt says the government does have workable plan. these figures confirm that this is very challenging economic situation here and

across the world and it will get worse before it gets better . but worse before it gets better. but we have a plan that will more than half inflation over the year and if we stay the course we can get back to the strong economic growth that we need and detainment. news and a second trailer of the duke and duchess sussex's netflix docu series has been released with prince harry. some of lying to protect his brother. it's clear who he's referring to. he was also seen musing what might have happened if he hadn't left the royal family the trailer for the latest three episode loads, which will be released thursday, has been unveiled after. the first set was released last week . i wasn't thrown to the . i wasn't being thrown to the wolves. i was being fed to the wolves. i was being fed to the wolves. they were actively recruiting people to disseminate disinformation , and they're disinformation, and they're happy to. lie to protect my brother . they were never willing brother. they were never willing to tell the truth to protect us . you are up to date tv online and dab+ radio with gb news. now

more for michelle and dewbs& co . more for michelle and dewbs& co. tha our full news, isn't it about those little boys on the lake? i'm praying so i am that that little six year old as well manages to pull. can you imagine what those families must be going as awful as that. i'm with you right through until 7:00 this alongside my i've this evening alongside my i've got henry hill at the deputy editor of conservative home, peter edwards, the former editor of levelised. good evening , of levelised. good evening, gentlemen. nicholas is saying, michelle, your brightening lives today with your dress bright . michelle, your brightening lives today with your dress bright. in case you are listening, today with your dress bright. in case you are listening , watching case you are listening, watching you to. on the other hand, you didn't get the bright memo, did you? monochrome yeah. it's christmas, everybody be about brightness. so i'll have a word them in the break. well, actually, now in the break, we're going to get change in the

break. it is what it is as someone else has said, michelle, your christmas tree your hideous christmas tree trending i don't trending online. i don't know what you suspect. you've what you may not suspect. you've not seen mine. if you mean the studio one, you're completely. it's nice . it's wonderful. it's nice. christmas in the studio. christmas day in the studio. i love. not go right? love. it's not long go right? you the drill you want you know the drill you want dewbs& co. it's not just about us three in the studio tonight. it's about you at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can in touch with me. all can get in touch with me. all those will covering those stories will be covering tonight. to talk about those stories will be covering toninhs to talk about those stories will be covering toninhs also to talk about those stories will be covering toninhs also trade alk about those stories will be covering toninhs also trade dealsout those stories will be covering toninhs also trade deals and the nhs also trade deals and christmas. you offend by the nofion christmas. you offend by the notion of a christmas party, if you are quite frankly, i say don't go. but some civil servants been briefing to change the name of said festivities and to do things like not drink alcohol just in case there might be someone there that doesn't . be someone there that doesn't. no chance. that's what i say and not my party anyway. right. get touch gbviews@gbnews.uk the email address or you can tweet at gb news. now one of the themes of coming weeks , themes of coming weeks, hopefully not months, will be,

of course the strikes rmt union has today rejected another pay offer . so those strikes will be offer. so those strikes will be going ahead . and as we speak of going ahead. and as we speak of it's going according to the timings, our health secretary will be meeting with the nurses union all the goings on union all about the goings on there. but apparently he doesn't want to into the pay want to get into the pay conversation . so i'm pondering conversation. so i'm pondering tonight . peter, conversation. so i'm pondering tonight. peter, i'll conversation. so i'm pondering tonight . peter, i'll start with tonight. peter, i'll start with you there's been a lot of criticism at this government saying that they are not involved enough with the unions involved enough with the unions in terms of these negotiation . in terms of these negotiation. and do you think they should be more involved? oh, no. yes, i they should be, because it's essentially reached a crisis point and, you know, if steve barclay, the health secretary, is in negotiations tonight, then why is he left to the last minute ? and if, as your intro minute? and if, as your intro said, he's refusing to talk about then why is he about pay, then why is he ducking? one of the core issues? and that i don't want to make anything part politics boring and that i don't want to make any'theg part politics boring and that i don't want to make any'the perception>litics boring and that i don't want to make any'the perception might)oring and that i don't want to make any'the perception might be ng and that i don't want to make any'the perception might be he but the perception might be he knows something must be done so turning up at talks at 11th hour gives the impression of without necessarily engaging on

substance . yeah but it substance. yeah but when it comes to negotiations though most things do happen at most of the things do happen at the 11th hour that is literally when a lot of deals are done and not done weeks months in not done weeks and months in advance right up until the advance it's right up until the bonein advance it's right up until the bone in some cases, isn't it? it's certainly right up to the bone. and think that's bone. and i think that's reflects both really as reflects both sides really as well this kind relatively well as this kind of relatively slow mandated law , slow wheels mandated by law, trade, and so on. trade, union balance and so on. but there's reason why. steve but there's no reason why. steve barclay have got involved in negotiations before . do you negotiations before. do you think should done that think he should have done that right. government right. well, the government has actually involved right. well, the government has ac' some involved right. well, the government has ac' some of involved right. well, the government has ac' some of the involved right. well, the government has ac' some of the negotiations. 3d right. well, the government has ac' some of the negotiations. for in some of the negotiations. for example railway strike. example with the railway strike. it's very complicated it's actually a very complicated situation the unions situation because the unions negotiate with the tracks, the train companies, then the train companies, but then the government intervening , government is intervening, setting conditions. but ultimately, the government ultimately, yes the government as the ultimate employer of pubuc as the ultimate employer of public servants and as the person as the institution , person as the institution, distributes taxpayers money, which is what pays them, the government have final say government does have final say over of these decisions and over all of these decisions and ultimately the government will have to be involved. so it's a bit surprising that they've been sort behind the sum of the

sort of behind the sum of the sort of behind the sum of the sort of behind the sum of the sort of intermediate employers for long, given that are for so long, given that they are the who ultimately have the ones who ultimately have to make decisions. don't make the decisions. but don't you a case you think it's probably a case of sitting there and of they sitting there and thinking, anyone can sit thinking, if anyone can just sit there a women's summit and for example, which example, rishi sunak, which in some what they've some cases that's what they've been requesting to me and talk with then why don't you go with them. then why don't you go there ? that literally your there? if that is literally your first you want make first response, you want make the minister. oh, yeah. the prime minister. oh, yeah. okay. the okay. there you go. there's the prime how do you move prime minister. how do you move on? i don't think anyone's saying that you need to send rishi ministers. saying that you need to send risheven ministers. saying that you need to send rish even secretary|isters. not even the secretary of health. ministers health. health ministers negotiating sector negotiating with public sector unions the nhs is probably unions in the nhs is probably just a reasonable part of their remit. should. remit. certainly they should. maybe these two, not maybe if we'd had these two, not necessarily negotiations, necessarily these negotiations, but a more regular but if we'd had a more regular dialogue ministers would dialogue, maybe ministers would have even have seen this coming. and even if weren't fold if they weren't going to fold the demands, might have the pay demands, they might have been time get plans been have more time to get plans in place than they have than they've actually had. so actually, fact actually, it's simply a fact that. i'm really in the that. i'm not really in the private anymore since private sector anymore since margaret all margaret thatcher and all the trade she made trade trade changes she made to trade unions. the public unions. but in the public sector, you do still have sector, where you do still have these unions capable,

these big unions capable, coordinated the coordinated action, talking, the unions minister's unions is part of minister's job. yeah, i want to come to you in a minute, peter. on labour's position. want help me position. i want you to help me understand you've just understand it. you've just brought so i'll just brought up henry, so i'll just pause with second about pause with you a second about coordinated action across the unions. think be unions. do you think should be allowed? because what's happening a national happening now is a national strike. perhaps not technically named as such, but it is in many ways, isn't do you think ways, isn't it? do you think that's the that that's right? so the reason that pubuc that's right? so the reason that public sector unions do is public sector unions do this is because in the 1980s we brought in all of legislation, in all sorts of legislation, restricted the ability of trade unions to do things like sympathy strikes and industry wide. public sector wide. but because public sector workers ultimately workers are all ultimately employed the government, employed by, the government, that trade , say that means that trade, say teachers nurses or anyone , teachers or nurses or anyone, their employer is the government and all go on and therefore all nurses go on strike all teachers go strike and all teachers can go on. sympathy strikes , which on. now, sympathy strikes, which is go strike just is where you go on strike just to claim, are to support else's claim, are illegal. but there's not really all that much you can do if you've got two public sector unions, both have pay unions, both which have pay disputes the government, disputes with the government, it's see could it's hard to see how you could legally them scheduling legally them from scheduling those strikes at same time. those strikes at the same time. realistically, i you could

realistically, i mean, you could in that's going to in theory, but that's going to get unmanageable. think get quite unmanageable. i think realistically government realistically the government wanted structural changes wanted to do structural changes to much more to make this much more difficult. should have difficult. they should have followed spirit followed through with the spirit of because if nurses of the reforms because if nurses were actually nhs were actually employed by nhs trusts rather than you know by the ministry of health, their teachers by teachers were employed by multi—academy rather than multi—academy trusts rather than by the government. you by the government. then you couldn't wide couldn't have sector wide strikes new few tough strikes. a new tough few tough of these problems but those restructuring hasn't happened and we are we and that's why we are where we are. and so help me are. and peter, so help me understand. i've tried to understand. i've tried to understand and hear a lot of words, but i still fathom whether not labour is whether or not labour is advocating pay rises and to what they would be advocating pay rises. do you. well, in nhs labour said that people don't staff , don't deserve to have staff, don't deserve to have their pay cut in real terms. they've also advised royal college of nursing, which in effect the nurses trade union, that the 19% claim was far too high and they weren't going to get it. and i think we're streeting has actually been criticised a little on the left, but for giving what he perceives

as home truths to parts of the nhs. for example , you invest nhs. for example, you invest more staffing then that and more in staffing then that and that will come with pay increase please but but limited right. and whoever wins the next general election is going to face a difficult so i think labour have of course and tried to highlight what the government are doing wrong in terms of competence and picking not logical battle while keeping some of that powder dry, which i think for any think is reasonable for any opposition, say briefly opposition, i'll say briefly please, think we're please, i don't think we're a general strike at all because you think about on strike. you think about going on strike. it's either public or it's either the public sector or x or former parts of the public sector like and people in the postal service used to be in the state and obviously trade in operating companies, you know, before privatisation used to be part of the state, but it's either public , it's either the either public, it's either the pubuc either public, it's either the public sector or public services, but example unite workers in a supermodel . it are workers in a supermodel. it are not going on strike . so i really not going on strike. so i really don't think it's fair to call it a general strike as well. and help me understand, because i've

just listened to you and i still don't understand. why aren't labour just coming don't understand. why aren't labourjust coming out and labour just coming out and saying, don't know if we were saying, i don't know if we were in charge today , would issue in charge today, would issue a 10% pay rise? you're saying they're keeping their powder dry and. you understand why i don't why? why am i saying? because any i think is wary of making spending commitments and also of inflaming dispute further. i think it's reasonable for, say shadow cabinet ministers that aspire to be in government a couple of years time to give a direction of travel on values and policy . direction of travel on values and policy. but say we can't give answers on pounds of pence of what salary levels would be like in two years time. but i'm not asking them to as time what would like to hear from labour is i don't care. about two years time the people watching this are strike. want are going on strike. they want their increase, they want it their pay increase, they want it now. will saying they now. so they will be saying they will to labour. and will be looking to labour. and if in power today, if if you were in power today, if you were looking at numbers you were looking at your numbers today, what would you today, what number would you give walk they do

give me? they walk out. they do the what have you invited the labour frontbench on, show? labour frontbench on, your show? we politicians have we don't have politicians have people instead people like you. instead but this my sell off chair this is not my sell off chair when you call me. interesting, but. well, i was about to say but. oh well, i was about to say something i thought was hilarious and hilarious and i did. and i stopped myself . but no, we stopped myself. but no, we don't. that's the kind of don't. that's not the kind of show do. we don't get show that we do. we don't get politicians. we have conversations with conversations instead with the likes of you guys. but i'm asking you because you former editor are editor of labour list, you are an advocate of the labour party and i don't understand it. i do. i to them and i to them i listen to them and i to them on the weekend politics shows and listen to them. i just and i listen to them. i just think. not coming out think. but you're not coming out with substance. you're saying things like yes i would enter into talks as well. so what would achieve what would you drive for? what would you push for? what would your be for? what would your outcome be 7 for? what would your outcome be ? well, i think labour have provided substance, they provided substance, but they haven't want, haven't given what you want, which a number. yeah. so they've said on hand that people said on one hand that people working public services shouldn't their pay cut in shouldn't have their pay cut in an crisis in real an economic crisis in real terms. but they've also said to nurses that 90% is too high and

health ministers should get round negotiation table . you're round negotiation table. you're absolutely right they've tried to navigate both the demands pubuc to navigate both the demands public services and the political sat on the fence and i think if you want to be an effective opposition if you want to show your your to be the next force for good in this country, you shouldn't be on the fence. you should have some kahuna about you. you should back yourself and you come up with some of that briefly . you know, some of that briefly. you know, you referred to it as cronies, but if comply, i would have but if you comply, i would have said about what said it's actually about what i'll what you. but for i'll tell you what you. but for any institution it's labour government. a tory government is if negotiating , isn't if you're negotiating, isn't that a negotiating sentence , not that a negotiating sentence, not putting a lot of numbers in the pubuc putting a lot of numbers in the public domain, but they're not negotiate things. you're a negotiate things. but you're a smart guy , henry. smart political guy, henry. maybe just being bit thick maybe i'm just being a bit thick , but i'm sitting there , but to me, i'm sitting there and show on the screen while and i show on the screen while i listen to people, labour politicians. starmer politicians. keir starmer they're making great platitudes , great criticism. but what is your solution? what would you do if ? arminius

your solution? what would you do if? arminius and i'm sitting here now thinking , my mum, a here now thinking, my mum, a sister nurses , if i was them sister of nurses, if i was them too, and i'm sitting here now going right at next election going right at the next election , have got a better deal , would i have got a better deal from or tories? who from labour or the tories? who shall vote for in next shall i vote for in the next election? i would like to know what be offering ? what what would you be offering? what would doing? what would would you be doing? what would you i'm sure. you be driving for? i'm sure. i'm sure you would. i think the reason you won't get that reason that you won't get that is because it's much easier for and this is again, i think the tories would be doing the tories would be doing if the tories would be doing if the tories in opposition. tories were in opposition. in fairness, to fairness, it's much easier to make political capital make maximum political capital of it if you don't pin yourself down. but bluntly, if there down. but also bluntly, if there was government be was labour government they'd be facing economic facing the same broad economic situation, having make situation, they'd be having make the and the same tough choices. and that's a popular position to that's not a popular position to be. interview the opposition you don't on parade don't be raining on your parade and actually it's and everyone that actually it's not all have to not just tories we'd all have to find money from somewhere find more money from somewhere and isn't there and the money just isn't there so easier to attack the so it's easier to attack the government it is very unsatisfying to see them constantly attacking the government without saying they would strikes. but would do to end the strikes. but i the truth is that's i think the truth is that's because a labour because if we had a labour government on what we've

government based on what we've heard from wes streeting, the labour facing labour would still be facing down we would down the unions and we would probably still have an awful lot of. yeah, i just find very, very sad. thinking about that sad. i was thinking about that awful mentioned awful situation it's mentioned a second about children in second ago about the children in leg know at tragic leg so i know at a really tragic ending of but i was ending of course but i was watching the only emergency services all the first responders rest and responders and all the rest and was just looking at thinking god, can imagine would god, can you imagine what would have was on a have happened if that was on a strike day you've got that situation alongside all of the other just doesn't other things just doesn't bear thinking really thinking about. and i really hope things be done to hope that things can be done to stop of these strikes in stop some of these strikes in scotland, way, they've scotland, by the way, they've accepted a 7.5% pay rise. that's on average in lowest on the scale, up to 11. so the strikes, the have been paused, which i think is good news. let's hope we can achieve similar here. let me know your thoughts what do you think is a fair pay rise by the way? i put a figure on it put yourself out give me a number i'm fascinated to hear what think. got to take what you think. i've got to take a break. when i come back, a quick break. when i come back, i want to continue my nhs promises in some way because bed

blocking, think is one the blocking, i think is one of the key issues facing the nhs at the moment . it's causing lots of moment. it's causing lots of backlogs and all the rest of it. what's the solution to it though? i think i've got an idea. i'd like to hear yours. jp news gbnews.uk. i just gave you the wrong one. vaiews@gbnews.uk is the tell me and i'll is the email. tell me and i'll see in a couple of minutes .

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water whilst playing on ice . the water whilst playing on ice. the daily telegraph children in frozen lake plunge. rail strikes will force families to hold a virtual christmas. not again . virtual christmas. not again. enough already with those zoom i hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry right through keeping your home. it's 7:00 tonight and in the studio alongside me, i've got my panel. henry hill, who's in the studio alongside me, i've got deputy|el. henry hill, who's in the studio alongside me, i've got deputy editornry hill, who's in the studio alongside me, i've got deputy editor of hill, who's the deputy editor of conservative home, and peter edwards , the former editor of edwards, the former editor of levelised . we've just got a nice levelised. we've just got a nice email and everybody. margaret says, michelle, i can think of nothing do right now nothing better to do right now than sit with a glass of wine. listening to peter henry and yourself debate the issues of the day. that's nice. and that

is margaret. anyone's mum? no no. fine. well, we appreciate the compliment, margaret. thank you. i was asking you, by the way, just before the break, strikes. i want numbers . i want strikes. i want numbers. i want cold, hard numbers . if you were cold, hard numbers. if you were running the country , what kind running the country, what kind of pay rise do you think is fair and reasonable for people going on strike ? don't dilly dally. on strike? don't dilly dally. don't sit on the fence. don't go round the houses. just give me a number. matt says 7% is what he thinks is fair. derek says no more than a 7.5. david says no more than a 7.5. david says no more than a 7.5. david says no more than 7. what about the majority of the workers? what about everyone? in fact, we all have to suffer with inflation, so they are seven, seven and a half percent is what i'm getting through in my inbox at the moment. do you think that's fair and reasonable, or do you think it should be a little bit higher? you get so much. tell me your thoughts and also tweet me. that's thing. a jp that's your thing. a jp news poll. let's stick the theme

poll. let's stick with the theme of nhs , shall we? we all of the nhs, shall we? we all know much it's in a bit know pretty much it's in a bit of the moment. don't of a mess at the moment. don't weigh in by way. i'm not weigh in by the way. i'm not knocking a front line stuff. i know doctors walkers know that doctors and walkers and all the rest of it work very hard. i'm talking about the concept the organisation of concept of the organisation of a 7 people. example, 7 million people. for example, on right now it's on waiting lists, right now it's just not great, is it? let's be honest, bed blockers is a horrible term , but i do think horrible term, but i do think there are so many people in hospital that quite frankly do not need to be there . about not need to be there. about 13,000 and people hit that bill. well, tick that box, should i say, recently . that's just one say, recently. that's just one number. and i think to myself, look, if you didn't have those 13,000 people taking up the beds who are not in medical need, they don't need to be in hospital. they could be out and about. but that's just not the services or the capacity or whatever is to discharge them. if you did that, i that if you did that, i think that would be first step in trying would be a first step in trying to some these to resolve some of these problems. put my problems. so i've put my thinking on. agents have thinking caps on. agents have come up with a very simple idea. i partially floated it the other

day. bartlett day. i, steve bartlett listening. it for listening. i can offer it for free. and if they implement it, i that they start off i will say that they start off me. remember those nightingale hospitals have hospitals that we used to have that were knocked quicker that were knocked out quicker than thinking, quick than a quick thinking, quick lounger those back lounger and covid set those back up draft in the army. up again and draft in the army. i know people won't be i don't know if people won't be happy with this, but draft in the temporarily get the army temporarily to get these out of hospital these people out of hospital comfortable, free up beds comfortable, free up those beds and away you go, give you some breathing space to sort out. the issue is going forward. yes, you need reform, but think that's need reform, but i think that's a stopgap solution. if a great stopgap solution. if i say so myself, want to put say so myself, i want to put myself on own but myself on my own back. but i will not microphone off. what do you i actually think is you think? i actually think is a really idea. don't really interesting idea. i don't know about using the army. i know about using the army. i know the military, but military chiefs wary the chiefs are really wary about the army called in for more army getting called in for more and stuff. the and more stuff. but the nightingale's thing is really interesting what interesting because what the nightingale's weren't nightingale's what they weren't really they were called hospitals, really hospitals, they weren't really fully equipped hospitals. i think referred to think they were referred to dismissively as dismissively by someone as ventilation centres, they ventilation centres, but they basically of basically provided one form of care. bed blockers, which care. now bed blockers, which is an term, it's nice. an ugly term, but it's nice. i do apologise if you watching

do apologise if you are watching this might be in a hospital bed watching now it and tell watching it now show it and tell me do i think i am? but. me where do i think i am? but. but is the term, you know, but it is the term, you know, these people who don't need these are people who don't need these are people who don't need the that a hospital the sort of care that a hospital is on hand to provide. but they just need to basically just they need to be basically looked so the nightingale looked after. so the nightingale would actually be, i think, relatively suited to being relatively well suited to being a warehouse, a kind of outpatient warehouse, if you get if you like. basically, you get people might have. people why some might have. i mean, structurally mean, it's structurally that's that's that's that's structurally that's what it would be you've it would be it would be you've got people of hospital where got people out of hospital where they to be in close they don't need to be in close proximity to your advanced diagnostics acute but diagnostics and acute care, but they anywhere in the they don't have anywhere in the community. basically community. so you basically have these which aren't these big centres which aren't just looking after just there for looking after outpatients and providing a general. i think could general. i think that could actually work. yeah so do actually really work. yeah so do i. and what you sound. well i. pace and what you sound. well i. pace and what you sound. well i set out the pros i think henry set out the pros and very well on and cons very well because on the one hand you don't want to see the army involved because we, want industrial we, we don't want industrial disputes the first place. and disputes in the first place. and nhs doctors, nurses and paramedics be doing paramedics would all be doing their i think the great theirjob. but i think the great virtue pride of virtue in national pride of nightingale clinic was in in virtue in national pride of n social,ale clinic was in in virtue in national pride of n social, ins clinic was in in virtue in national pride of n social, in ailinic was in in virtue in national pride of n social, in a health as in in virtue in national pride of n social, in a health and in virtue in national pride of n social, in a health and an in a social, in a health and an

economic crisis. the country came to put these came together to put these hospitals up at incredibly short notice, almost quicker than anywhere in the world other than china done in a in china when it's done in a in about but the effort for about a week. but the effort for nightingale's was fantastic. but henry what warehouse? which i henry is what warehouse? which i know mean it know he didn't mean it derogatorily they were derogatorily because they were they were semi industrial they were vast semi industrial open spaces or they were conference entities. so it can't be a hospital and it definitely can't be a care home either because that's a totally different environment. very vulnerable often near the vulnerable people often near the end of their life, but they are these vast spaces . i think when these vast spaces. i think when they're empty they're a bit like a hangar where there may be a case you could deploy not just the site, but also the ingenuity and the staffing and the equipment to try and get some people out of main hospital hospitals for they into social care. and i think what we take away, we can we can talk about logistics, but what we take away from it a couple of years is a can do spirit. so i mean, with all due respect to history,

we're not we're not necessarily there in mensah's highest ranking. so why do you think that the government have come up with this and started implementing it themselves? well, i mean , as i i think well, i mean, as i said, i think that they've they've prepared quite quite quite badly. they've had quite badly strikes. there badly for these strikes. there is also the staffing issue, because know the army, but because i know the army, but realistically, you would have to have a basic level medical have a basic level of medical expertise in order to expertise on hand in order to run as part the nhs. run these as part of the nhs. right. because i that right. because i assume that soldiers medical soldiers do have medical or they're were there they're not. there were there were the in the were medics in the in the military, they're all military, but they're not all trained medical professionals. i think i there is sometimes think i think there is sometimes a tendency, including people a tendency, including for people like as if like me, to treat soldiers as if they're some kind of one stop solution need solution for any manpower need that state happens to have. that the state happens to have. that limitation. that is a limitation. and i think that ultimately bed blocking a crisis blocking is not just a crisis point now, a fairly point for now, it's a fairly chronic problem the nhs. so chronic problem in the nhs. so i think that actually if you did embark on this you would end up not pangas. but think not using pangas. but i think you'd up something that you'd end up with something that was and then that was purpose built and then that would a permanent part of would become a permanent part of the nhs framework. now that has cost implications. i think probably maths

probably the maths might probably the maths might probably it cost probably work, but it has cost implications, but it's a big capital and so that's capital project and so that's why the government's not why i think the government's not reached i mean, yeah, reached for it. i mean, yeah, and are writing saying and people are writing in saying about hospitals or about convalescent hospitals or centres cottage centres or homes, cottage hospitals, are hospitals, some people are calling them as well . if they calling them as well. if they were the and it was a thing , were the and it was a thing, what happens to them. well, well of cottage hospital is very different. you know, i've been treated many times. they're treated in many times. they're like smaller was like a smaller hospital, was a bit more in suburbia with without a&e but they've still without an a&e but they've still got mean they do great got i mean they do a great service, but they've still got the overheads and the costs that makes relatively makes a hospital care relatively expensive, i think to follow your train of thought nightingale hospital is where for a crisis and we're told covid was a once in a thousand year crisis but part of the root of the problem is what's happening in social care in our state with a social care sector where the staff are perhaps paid a bit more and upskilled a bit more, they might be able to provide more support. and i think to be to try and be fair, although i there's

although i think there's a social care crisis now, it's obviously running across obviously been running across several for couple several governments for a couple of getting gradually of decades, getting gradually worse a good idea , worse crisis. got a good idea, she says. i'm sorry. it's brian that says this. i was giving credit to the wrong person that he says. about using he says. what about using houday he says. what about using holiday camps throughout the winter ? they say, i'm going to winter? they say, i'm going to empty all these facilities. what lends ponting's or both are available ? well, i mean, available? well, i mean, presumably if you set these up, then a logistical team could look at the specifics. i think maybe there'd be a problem that houday maybe there'd be a problem that holiday camps are almost by definition, a way definition, quite a long way away hospitals and other away from hospitals and other centres where we have lot of centres where we have a lot of these patients. you know, if you're trying to clear out the big urban hospitals where you've got the biggest backlogs, you're potentially moving people a very long the fine long way. but again, the fine details of it is a separate question. but i think in terms of building up that extra support, do support, given that we do clearly a problem clearly have a chronic problem of are staying in of people who are staying in hospital than they need hospital longer than they need the services of a full hospital, that's something the that's something that the government looking government should be looking at. yeah people are

yeah i mean, so many people are just writing the convalescent just writing in the convalescent homes. just need to go back homes. we just need to go back to that. it's all very simple, david the wait? this david says. why the wait? this is not a bad question. actually, david, you're saying all of these people that are in hospitals, why we use hospitals, why don't we use these hotel is that the government is commandeering at the crossing the moment for people crossing the moment for people crossing the don't we use the channel. why don't we use those for this kind of those hotels for this kind of function instead? i have to say i don't disagree with that. i am interested though. i've just seen some on email and i'm going to by email. oh, here we to find by email. oh, here we go. should the armed forces go. why should the armed forces have to do all of this stuff, including covering for striking emergency workers? you are quite harsh, though, are you? because you go on. you say you think there's a real simple solution to expect the army to this. if you expect the army to this. if you expect the army to you when you're on to cover you when you're on strike, you should be then conscripted into the army to do some form of national service in return . oh, cool. blimey, i'm return. oh, cool. blimey, i'm not sure that that's ideal. very well . no way should the well. no way should the government intervene in negotiations . michel. michel.

negotiations. michel. michel. where private companies are concerned, this is a capitalist country, not a socialist country. please can the politic stay out of it ? well, that's stay out of it? well, that's your thoughts on some of the strike ones as well. let me know your situation, your thoughts in terms of the backlog. but just been talking about in nhs been talking about in the nhs hospitals, particularly as well. i'm interested, are in the i'm interested, are you in the army? because saying that army? because i'm saying that the could be brought in to the army could be brought in to staff centres. makes the army could be brought in to stgood centres. makes the army could be brought in to stgood point, ntres. makes the army could be brought in to stgood point, which makes the army could be brought in to stgood point, which is makes the army could be brought in to stgood point, which is actuallyes a good point, which is actually we're in danger of seeing the army kind i don't army is some kind of, i don't know, one size fits all recruitment thing. we just shove women everywhere . are you in the women everywhere. are you in the army? do listen to this and army? do you listen to this and shout screen? there shout you screen? is there absolutely get in absolutely no chance? get in touch. me touch. let me know. vaiews@gbnews.uk is my email address going to take a quick break. when i come back, post brexit, britain . what should it brexit, britain. what should it look like when it comes to trade deals? puts cism at the moment. james cleverly he's saying he's going to embark on new trade deals with like middle level countries. some people are saying it's a race to the bottom and that the uk looks like it

doesn't human rights doesn't care about human rights . is that true or is it just basically trading with people common ? it's only assaults common sense? it's only assaults and i'll you in a couple of and i'll see you in a couple of minutes . and i'll see you in a couple of with the same argument, let's not even try and participate, let's not go to work, because it's misogynistic. no, you have to go because that's their career . so to go because that's their career. so i'm a bit torn with this whole you know, they shouldn't have gone. i see where people are coming from. it does look hypocritical. however i'm a huge advocate assist in dying, but i do think i prefer the idea of michael portillo's railway journeys, if i'm honest. but yeah , he's i'm honest. but yeah, he's

planning a series of serious documentaries. gary yeah , yeah. documentaries. gary yeah, yeah. it's interesting . he's listening it's interesting. he's listening to stories . i

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, michelle dewberry. it's all 7:00 tonight. alongside me, we've got henry hill, who's the deputy editor of conservativehome, and peter edwards, former editor of levelised . just been talking levelised. just been talking about should we potentially have the nightingale hospitals back open again to help with, you know, crudely what people call bed blockers when your thoughts on that, robin says , michelle, i on that, robin says, michelle, i use free i absolutely think where do you think you're going to get the stuff to man these nightingales robin well you're not paying attention, my friend. i propose a solution at the start, which was i was saying,

get the armed forces, get the army and get those guys to help stuff. so it was a good idea. you are of course free to disagree, alan, says michelle. the nightingale hospitals were exhibitions centres. what are you proposing that would just go to down th e £11 billion to shut down the £11 billion exhibition industry ? exhibition and events industry? that's they're completely that's alan. they're completely disagreeing with me. not a problem . keep your thoughts problem. keep your thoughts coming you a gbnews.uk coming in. give you a gbnews.uk is how you reach me tonight, right ? post—brexit britain . what right? post—brexit britain. what should it look like? who should we trade with? should there be limits ? should there be a limits? should there be a cut—off or a threshold as to yes, country a you make the yes, you country a you make the great country pay no, don't like the look at you. you're up to the look at you. you're up to the things that are no good country. say you're not diplomacy. so marks for you. diplomacy. so no marks for you. should work that or should it work like that or should just say, should we basically just say, you if you got things you know what, if you got things to you want to do to trade, you want to do business, we're open to you. there's been lots of criticism. there's been lots of criticism. the reason bringing this up the reason i'm bringing this up tonight, the tonight, because apparently the uk downgrade uk is set to downgrade the commitments for commitments to human rights for closer diplomatic this is closer diplomatic ties. this is all about our foreign secretary

he's saying we're going to move forward , we're going to create forward, we're going to create relations , strand all the rest relations, strand all the rest of it countries like of it with countries like africa, america and asia. africa, latin america and asia. henry some people are saying it's a bit of a race to the bottom and that we should have higher standards and some of this. what do you think will we do have to be very careful. it's a fine balancing act because on the one hand, human rights are important, western values are good. that we try good. and it's good that we try and export those around the world. on the other hand, we're not a position to dictate to not in a position to dictate to other countries how they organise, what values. organise, export, what values. if if you believe if you believe, if you believe liberal democracy, of liberal democracy, freedom of speech , equality for women are speech, equality for women are important, should try important, then you should try to other countries to to encourage other countries to adopt those norms. i don't think that's particularly that's a particularly controversial statement, but we're not position, even if we're not in a position, even if we're not in a position, even if we wanted to, to do that by force . you know, we tried that force. you know, we tried that in the noughties george in the noughties under george w bush, really out all bush, didn't really pan out all that well. so you have to engage andifs that well. so you have to engage and it's also just in our country's interests , especially country's interests, especially if we're going to boycotting if we're going to be boycotting russia, we can't

russia, for example. we can't afford to on our high horse afford to get on our high horse and boycott rest of the oil and boycott the rest of the oil producing most producing countries, most of which governments that which now have governments that we the records we might not like. the records of. so what we actually need to do is we need to recognise that if trade with these if we don't trade with these countries, only to countries, they're only going to go countries like go and trade with countries like china even less about china which care even less about human rights altogether. and so it to a fine balancing it has to be a fine balancing act. need to but we act. we need to engage, but we need sure that that need to make sure that that engagement accordance with engagement is in accordance with our that means, for our values. and that means, for example, making sure that western that are western companies that are operating are operating in these countries are not or not not exploiting workers or not breaching rights breaching human rights themselves. that are themselves. and that we are upholding our standards even as we forge these economic relationships to well, i think the two are intention on a human rights and trade. and i think the kind of first part of having an adult conversation in politics is admitting that as your kind of intro alluded to, this has been a debate. you know , probably for the last 100 years. you know, remember robin cook, he came in as foreign cook, when he came in as foreign secretary, said he wanted britain have an ethical britain to have an ethical foreign i wrote down

foreign policy. i wrote down three examples just from recent times just about russia times just to think about russia . well, of course, quite rightly , none of us want to do. and trade deals with putin because of their evil invasion of ukraine. but of course, the whole of europe has continued to be reliant on russia for energy to a certain extent since the incursion into crimea , which was incursion into crimea, which was eight ago then there's eight years ago then there's iran a protester was iran where a protester was executed this week, which is absolutely revolting. so, of course , britain is rightly not course, britain is rightly not wanting to do trade deals with iran. but then there's also america and i don't draw an equivalence at all because america is a democracy with a free media and human rights. but america does still have the death which we in death penalty, which we in britain across the spectrum, i think generally find disgusting. and are rushing to and of course, we are rushing to do deals america all do trade deals with america all the and i suspect in those the time. and i suspect in those countries they do have a free media there probably having the same debate about us because , same debate about us because, you know, the word is sort of hangs over this debate is iraq , hangs over this debate is iraq, isn't it? and events 2003, isn't it? and events of 2003, where britain was hugely

criticised on the world stage, i think it's , it's very tough to think it's, it's very tough to land in the right place this argument. but on a bit sceptical about what james cleverly says because i think any new british government wants to have a reset on foreign policy, but then they all grow the economy as all want to grow the economy as well. yeah i just i don't know. there's me that just there's part of me that just feels little bit . there was a feels a little bit. there was a saying i was about to say that i can't say i'll tell you, but it makes me cringe a little bit as better. it makes me cringe a little bit because i sometimes feel that many people expect the uk all they want the uk to be this of holier thou this kind of holier than thou sitting across at the top, looking down, lecturing people , looking down, lecturing people, dictating that you must do this and you must do that, and you must do this. and i just feel a little bit uncomfortable , i little bit uncomfortable, i suspect, because i think is steeped in hypocrisy . like we've steeped in hypocrisy. like we've already just listed examples of countries that we do trade with already questionable , to put it

already questionable, to put it mildly. and many people don't seem to care. they want to do trade. so then i think why now is this conversation coming up tonight ? and is this conversation coming up tonight? and it makes me feel a little bit like what people are trying to do is just almost pull down post—brexit britain, they're looking to undermine the attempts to try and forge new relationships , partnerships. am relationships, partnerships. am i being paranoid ? i could. i being paranoid? i could. i couldn't tell you. it would depend on the motivations of the people involved. i think it's an important debate, though, as you say, it's not just tonight. this debate has been going on for a long time. and i don't think you can get away from can have a really get away from it with foreign policy. there is always between, you always a tension between, you know, ethical values, know, moral, ethical values, interests commercial know, moral, ethical values, interso; commercial know, moral, ethical values, interso this commercial know, moral, ethical values, interso this debate ommercial know, moral, ethical values, interso this debate isn'tercial know, moral, ethical values, interso this debate isn't going ties. so this debate isn't going to quite rightly to go anywhere and quite rightly so, it is a bit specious so, i think it is a bit specious to come to compare, you know, countries like saudi arabia in a round countries like the round to countries like the united i the united states. but i think the most important thing, the charges quite charges hypocrisy is quite a tedious because can tedious one because you can never make enemy the never really make the enemy the perfect good. right.

perfect of the good. right. maybe we will never have a spotless record. maybe spotless moral record. maybe many with which many of the countries with which we alliances won't have a we have alliances won't have a spotless moral record. but i don't really think that that's an excuse to us an adequate excuse to stop us trying countries trying to encourage countries like oppressing like iran to stop oppressing women protesters. women and execute protesters. i think can probably do both think you can probably do both of those things and keep a healthy balance. we've not felt we've achieved it very well. we've not achieved it very well. no seems to achieve it very no one seems to achieve it very much because a lot of these countries have been operating this very long this way for a very, very long time, wanting and needing time, whilst wanting and needing the trade. the revenue from trade. and they've their wares they've not changed their wares previously . well, not saying previously. well, i'm not saying necessarily that will be successful. think you successful. i don't think you can government can mandate that any government policy i policy be successful, but i think advocate for it think you can advocate for it and whilst striking and try whilst striking the right with this country. right balance with this country. strategic and economic interests. i don't think there's an for saying, some an excuse for saying, as some people hypocrisy people do on the hypocrisy front, because britain front, that just because britain or america have done something wrong, not use what we wrong, we can't not use what we have to try and advocate for improvements in other countries. well, let me know your thoughts on guys are still on that. you guys are still getting touch with about getting in touch with me about that topic tonight. i that first topic tonight. what i was you the strikes,

was asking you on the strikes, how much i've asked you to give me numbers tonight. everyone wants do you think is wants pay rise. do you think is appropriate for people going appropriate for the people going on the moment? seven on strike at the moment? seven ish about the number that ish was about the number that was coming through . i've got was coming through. i've got some feedback here as well. you can't people benefits , a can't give people on benefits, a 10.1% or whatever it was and not then do the same to those people in work. there's quite a few in work. so there's quite a few of you saying that 10% should be the answer . are you in the the answer. are you in the private sector? have you got a pay rise at all and let me ponder this, by the way, do you think it's realistic for people to expect not to have a decline in living standards when you've got things like the after effects of the ridiculous lockdown policies, when you've got the awful situation in ukraine, you've got all of these different things that are driving inflation. do you think it's realistic to even have the ambition , aspiration that living ambition, aspiration that living standards shouldn't be impacted at all? give me your thoughts. vaiews@gbnews.uk uk when is a christmas party not a christmas party? well, it depends. if you

work in a civil service because some people have been told if having a christmas party be sensitive for them, things like festive gatherings , if people festive gatherings, if people don't want to drink alcohol, be sensitive to it, change your ways, perhaps. why? well, i've fashion and inclusion , diversity fashion and inclusion, diversity and inclusion. let me comment on my being a bit harsh. tell me and i'll see you in a couple of minutes .

enough already with those zoom dfinks enough already with those zoom drinks parties. we had two and a half years of that. also, electricity prices soar as temperatures fall . the daily temperatures fall. the daily mail now horror. temperatures fall. the daily mail now horror . the frozen lake mail now horror. the frozen lake for children fight for life after ice plunge . for children fight for life huge advocate for freedom of expression and speech , and if expression and speech, and if they want to do that, then i don't see why someone watching the game, why are you so bothered if they want to take the knee? i don't agree with taking the. but if they want to do it, why are we upset? well, yes, because it's no on do it, why are we upset? well, to stories. i know he's planning

for his future. like good luck to you. let us know when you've done it. to you. let us know when you've doneit.so to you. let us know when you've done it. so this is he also broke the news in a social media on tik tok some breaking news, by the way, telling us your ambition. i always find it funny, these wordings, if you tell me next year, you hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, michelle dewberry keep in your culminates in 7:00 tonight and alongside me, henry hill, who's the deputy editor of conservativehome, and peter the former editor peter edwards, the former editor of labour list. peter edwards, the former editor of labour list . lots of of labour list. lots of conversation still about how you would staff the nightingale hospitals if we had them , jones hospitals if we had them, jones says. what about rehiring all of those? i think it was about

40,000 or something, wasn't it? those people that lost their jobs because they wouldn't have the vaccine ? covid the mandated vaccine? covid vaccine, think, is what's on vaccine, i think, is what's on that people reinstated that of those people reinstated if already been a if they haven't already been a heartbeat, what would be heartbeat, what would you be waiting no sense to waiting for? makes no sense to me carol says, great idea. how me, carol says, great idea. how about we could staff them with all the retired doctors , nurses all the retired doctors, nurses and other professionals who stepped up and volunteered dufing stepped up and volunteered during covid? after all, she says , we're in a crisis right says, we're in a crisis right now. yes, unfortunately , i do now. yes, unfortunately, i do tend to agree with you. there right? christmas parties does that phrase offend you? if i invite you to one, would you not want to go? because i don't know. you're not into christmas or whatever. apparently some civil servants have been told refer to that christmas parties as things like end of year celebrations , festive celebrations, festive celebrations, festive celebrations , one party, one celebrations, one party, one organise session was being told apparently that they had to find apparently that they had to find a restaurant that didn't serve alcohol in order not to offend someone is sober. this is someone who is sober. this is all apparently in a big draw of the kind of push the device anti

and inclusion agenda . i have to and inclusion agenda. i have to say i think it's bunk because if you're offended by christmas or anything like that, don't go to anything like that, don't go to a christmas parties. it's not difficult. henry, why do you do that? when i read the story, my heart went out to whoever the poor civil servant was who doesn't drink on that team. because my experience, they because in my experience, they will certainly will almost certainly not have asked for this. i was teetotal for about seven years and can for about seven years and i can think that would think of nothing that would actually be more likely to make things between my things awkward between me and my colleagues the christmas colleagues than if the christmas party account. party was ruined or my account. and most people, if they and i think most people, if they don't drink don't don't drink or they don't celebrate christmas, they're still perfectly happy to to still perfectly happy to go to something where people are drinking called a drinking or that's called a christmas party. and then the christmas party. and then if the people who aren't, most those people who aren't, most of those would go. a tiny would just not go. it's a tiny minority of people who would actually complain. and i don't think that should be think that we should be pandefing think that we should be pandering in fairness, pandering to them. in fairness, it this an it doesn't look, this wasn't an edict the of the civil edict from the top of the civil service what it looks like, and this so often what this is what's so often what happens individual hate happens is individual hate departments different departments at different sections different teams sections and different teams giving advice or giving out different advice or confusing advice. and i think

it's that back it's important that we push back on it. yeah, i think we should push back. think it's push back. i think it's pathetic. it's a waste pathetic. i think it's a waste of time. i think these civil seven bosses, whoever they are, however of aren't, however many of them aren't, they have things they should have better things to frankly, with their to do, quite frankly, with their time where are time and their space. where are you well, i don't think you on it? well, i don't think it's an example of inclusion. i think it's something for orwellian cromwellian to orwellian or cromwellian to ban things christmas things and banning christmas is not but i'd make i'd not the answer. but i'd make i'd make a broader point well, make a broader point as well, which a christian and which is i'm a christian and i live in east london, one of the most parts of the most diverse parts of the country. never met country. and i've never met anyone faith is offended anyone of any faith is offended by christmas. just like i'm not offended by muslim or hindu colleagues bringing sweets to work for festivals like eve mubarak or diwali. it's a merry and a positive part of whatever you want to call it. diverse city, multi—faith or just being a nation of many that we enjoy each other. celebrations and i. i just don't accept the idea that there's one person in a civil service who say we've got to pander to a particular group.

no faith group is offended by another faith group having a celebration . you know what? celebration. you know what? i put this to down all of these kind of diversity and inclusion chiefs that are running decent work. got to justify their existence. they've got to get there at the end of the year and say, look, boss, look what i achieved. i did all of to this make this organisation so much more inclusive. the christmas more inclusive. so the christmas party is now called an end of year gathering. now she can year gathering. so now she can come she's not come because she's not comfortable being around alcohol. what i did. i alcohol. but look what i did. i transformed moved over transformed it and i moved over to sober restaurant over to this sober restaurant over there. so tik points to me, i think it's absolutely absurd. and might have had and you might have had this story as this was a punter story as well. this was a punter mine, a latin by the way, that was cancelled because of cultural incense activity. this is in dorset basically , and is in dorset basically, and they're saying that they've had complaints , they've just decided complaints, they've just decided to cancel it. they they gave consideration to sanitising the scripts, their words , not mine, scripts, their words, not mine, but just decided it probably

wasn't worth the hassle and turned it all. now i have to say, if you are somebody who is offended by a latin or anything else, quite frankly, related to christmas or pantomime or all the rest of it, this is what i do not understand, and nobody forces you to leave your house and go to watch this. a latin pantomime, or indeed to go to these christmas parties. so if you are offended by a latin or christmas parties or alcohol or whatever is stay at home, go do something else with your time . something else with your time. where is this obsession? come from, this desperate attempt not to offend people? why do people think that they exist in a society? why they should be sheltered from being offended ? sheltered from being offended? it absolutely blows my brain. i don't know who's coming up with this. i don't know why people are condoning it is absolutely ridiculous . are condoning it is absolutely ridiculous. if you're are condoning it is absolutely ridiculous . if you're invited to ridiculous. if you're invited to a christmas party, a girl, if you want to, and if you don't want to go, go do something else with your time. that's my thoughts on it all. anyway, when

i say festive in the studio at way, someone's asking where are your on christmas your lights on the christmas tree ? i can see them. i think tree? i can see them. i think they've just not yet looked they've just not yet been looked in another word. so i will. lots of you still on this conversation at the stars about the rises. some people are the pay rises. some people are saying why should anyone get a pay saying why should anyone get a pay rise right now at all? well, because people are struggling. they can't afford to pay their bills. can they call in? says there's an independent pay review board operational for things like this. why are they just being completely disregarded? i can answer briefly because the recommendations were made before inflation, which is level. so there's a time lag. look how happyis there's a time lag. look how happy is that? you know, as the council look at it, i like that. that's last minute to show. that's the last minute to show. i get off level of i can get off level of engagement and enthusiasm. i like panel lots of you like from the panel lots of you as well getting in touch, saying that we should bring back the convalescent hospital as a permanent feature of nhs care . i permanent feature of nhs care. i have to say on that trade deal

we should trust you. it says we should trade with anyone and that will benefit our country and our people. full stop, philip says. well, michelle, unless we actually start manufacturing stuff again, we won't have much to trade with at all. dave trade is trade. there was zero morals involved. goodness me. peter that is all we've got time for. henry you too. thank you for your company. thank you . home for yours. you thank you. home for yours. you can catch up, by the way, on our podcast, online, on the radio, wherever. it's been nice to share hour with you next share the hour with you next nigel farage. nigel good evening. welcome back. what have you got ? very much . thank you, you got? very much. thank you, michel. well, i'll tell you what i've got for you. it's cold, it's snowing. and today, electricity prices, wholesale pfices electricity prices, wholesale prices hit a new all time high. ultimately, a bill that you're going to be picking up. we could be firing back up to coal fired power stations. is it time for a

big energy rethink ink? well, it's only what the weather perhaps matters more than anything. let's see what's in prospect for us over the next couple of days . good prospect for us over the next couple of days. good evening. i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office. the cold weather will continue through this week. ice and frost will be prevalent and the potential for a bit more snow in some areas. the uk is kind of surrounded by low pressure systems, but no , not pressure systems, but no, not really having a direct hits on the uk, we just staying in the cold conditions with snow showers around the edges , but showers around the edges, but some heavy snow falling at the moment because shetland and the snow showers will work into the mainland of northern scotland overnight across the southeast where snow last night where we had the snow last night could quite here . could be really quite icy here. elsewhere, most places dry, some misty, murky conditions persisting over central areas, but many places clear. and that will lead it to turn cold, minus five, minus six. even in some towns and cities, negative double figures across scotland, perhaps as low as —20 in some location as more snow showers

coming in here as well. so ice and snow is a risk in the morning over northern scottish, still potentially across the still potentially icy across the southeast first thing and then a few showers just drift into southeast north—east southeast scotland, north—east england later on, they could have snow mixed in. have some snow mixed in. otherwise, a largely dry day , otherwise, a largely dry day, bright but temperatures again struggling to get much above freezing. it will feel cold, particularly the winds pick up in the now here we in the southwest. now here we are at some weather are looking at some wet weather just during the just pushing in during the course of tuesday this course of tuesday evening. this will be a mixture of rain, sleet and snow. difficult to say how far it's going get and far rain it's going to get and therefore much snow we are therefore how much snow we are going there could be going to see. but there could be some southwest during some across the southwest during tuesday and into wednesday tuesday night and into wednesday morning, potentially here morning, potentially icy here again. morning again. then on wednesday morning , snow showers coming in , further snow showers coming in across northern scotland and a few more just coming down the east coast of england as well. snow low levels . we could see snow at low levels. we could see a few centimetres of snow. and more over the hills. more than that, over the hills. but they will be very hit and miss again. most places, miss again. for most places, it's dry on wednesday, largely sunny conditions, but cold with the wind accentuating the cold,

particularly across northern parts scotland staying cold parts of scotland staying cold this week. we do have warnings in see the met office in place. see the met office website for more details on .

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above and that is just so it's no how have you received it? have you have you good evening. the cold weather has come with it. the highest energy prices ever seen on these islands. is it time for an energy rethink? we'll debate that. i've been away for a week. believe you me, the migrant crisis hasn't got any better. are there any solutions in sight? what do we do with the large number of albanians coming across? joining me for talking pints, mark littlewood, he's the boss of the iea and used to be the press officer for the liberal democrats. will be a few things to talk about there won't that. but before we get to the show, let's get the news headunes show, let's get the news headlines poly