hello there at 6:00 michelle dewberry. and this is dewbs& co. the show will get into the things that have got you talking. do you know that it was three years to the day that bofis three years to the day that boris johnson woke up and found himself the prime minister of this great land? hi to remember those days. such excitement many had in the tories. but now the state of it all. now, where on earth. did it all go wrong over the last three years? i mean something in our programme i could fill about 3 hours just on that topic alone. couldn't i? and look at those brave soldiers we are, we've managed to battle our in despite yet another our way in despite yet another train strike. the government is

trying to make it harder for pubuc trying to make it harder for public sector workers such as nurses, train works, etc. to strike by changing some of the rules . what are you saying? rules. what are you saying? that's not what that be fair or not. should it be harder to go on strike ? and have you seen on strike? and have you seen rishi sunak? he's got a five point plan. everyone i do love a man with a plan. this is all about the channel crossings. it's one thing having a plan, though, isn't it? and it's another thing being able to enact it. and it actually making a difference. now that we're in a difference. now that we're in a situation where people crossing the channel are about to opening holiday to be put, opening holiday camps, on, you camps, i mean, come on, you literally couldn't it up, literally couldn't make it up, do the five point plan do you think the five point plan has answer? and while we're has the answer? and while we're all struggling and strapped for cash and paying highest taxes, there's think , welcome there's i think, welcome to the government is spending a small fortune on a quality diversion and inclusion every single year. what do you think of this? you shop with you on screens? yes thatis shop with you on screens? yes that is money well spent. does it make the country a better place is essential or is it a

little bit of a waste of money? give me your thoughts on all of that tonight. but now let's get ourselves to speed with all ourselves up to speed with all the goings on. tonight's the latest goings on. tonight's headunes the latest goings on. tonight's headlines polly and little headlines with polly and little hurst . michelle, thank you and hurst. michelle, thank you and good evening to you. the top story tonight, the prime minister is facing criticism from human rights groups after plans to return thousands of albanians to their home country. rishi sunak is being accused of treating asylum seekers like criminals after he also excuse me, i've never sneezed during a news bulletin before. i do apologise . as i was saying, apologise. as i was saying, treating asylum seekers like criminals after also promised to eliminate the asylum claims backlog by the end of next year . he also vowed to halve the cost of housing migrants reload , heating 10,000 from hotels. two sites, including disused houday two sites, including disused holiday parks. the prime minister says crystal clear guidance will be given to case

workers so they fully understand albania is a safe country. workers so they fully understand albania is a safe country . we albania is a safe country. we have sought and received formal assurances from albania confirming they will protect genuine victims and people at risk of trafficking , allowing us risk of trafficking, allowing us to detain and return people to albania with confidence and in line with the exact treaty . as line with the exact treaty. as a result of these changes, the vast majority of claims from albania can simply be declared clearly unfounded . well, the clearly unfounded. well, the labour leader, sir keir , says labour leader, sir keir, says the conservatives just can't keep their promises. the conservatives just can't keep their promises . all of that keep their promises. all of that has been said almost word for word before, but last time we had measures, the last time we had measures, the last time we had legislation , plenty of had legislation, plenty of newspaper headlines about wave machines , ships, fantasy islands machines, ships, fantasy islands . but no effective action. all designed to mask failure. just

strikes from a broken asylum system that can't process claims, can't return those with no right to be here. and cop, protect our borders . looking at protect our borders. looking at news from the channel islands now police confirmed two bodies have been found close to where a fishing boat sank off the coast of jersey last week. larry salmon , jervis, barnegat were salmon, jervis, barnegat were crew members on board the boat which sank after it collided with a cargo ship in the early hours of thursday morning. the craft was being skippered by michael mcnally . all three men michael mcnally. all three men died. jersey police say they're continuing with their search and recovery operation . and staying recovery operation. and staying in jersey . police say they in jersey. police say they suspect gas was behind the explosion at a block of flats in st helier at the weekend . it was st helier at the weekend. it was confirmed earlier the number of people who died in the incident rose to seven. the island's police chief named two people who are still missing. they are ken and jane ralph, both in their seventies . now a six year

their seventies. now a six year old boy remains in a critical condition in hospital after he fell through an icy lake in solihull . three other boys, aged solihull. three other boys, aged eight, ten and 11 year olds have died after being pulled out of the water in king's first. members the public applauded a group of 20 officers from west midlands police who marched through the town to lay flowers in tribute to the boys. balloons soft toys and candles were left at a vigil last night. now the rmt union general secretary has apologised for disruption to trains services as four weeks of industrial action begins today. around 40,000 members are striking today, tomorrow, friday and saturday, with more walkouts to come over the festive period. union members rejected the latest pay offer by network rail of a 5% pay rise this year, with another 4% in 2023. the secretary, mark harper , asked secretary, mark harper, asked the union to reconsider , but

the union to reconsider, but mick lynch says they need a better offer from the government. is my message is that we need to get a deal. we need to get round the table and they need to show some goodwill and expertise and some facilitate to try and create a document or a set of documents that we can all support. and at the moment , they know that what the moment, they know that what they're putting forward to us is through their agents in the rail delivery group, a network rail, they that that's good they know that that's not good enough. leave. we can get enough. piper leave. we can get there. optimist. there. i'm an optimist. scientists in the united states have, for the first time, used nuclear fusion to generate more power than was consumed in the process. nuclear power plants currently rely on fission , which currently rely on fission, which splits atoms releasing harmful radiation . but fusion energy , radiation. but fusion energy, which pushes atoms together

you know the drill . no, look at you know the drill. no, look at me. i'm getting all of this. campobello it's about pulleys . campobello it's about pulleys. sneezing. and i forgot to tell you it was alongside me until 7:00 tonight. we are keeping you company. i got my panel. the political commentator emma banno. and a new face. this show is a benefit . who is a former is a benefit. who is a former special advisor to liz truss. good evening, both of you. great to be here. oh, thank you. that's a kind of infuse and keenness we like . feel free to keenness we like. feel free to echoed those sentiments and i'm always happy to be here. michel you know that that's what we like is and that's what we like. harris as michelle, you look like a liquorice also . so like a liquorice also. so tonight , i'm like a liquorice also. so tonight, i'm not sure that's a compliment. i don't like chris. all sorts, but if you do, i'll

take it. never say never to a compliment. you know the drill, harris. certainly jones's first in the us. and i. wrong in the us. and i. how wrong with certainly chris all with that? certainly chris all sorts if you've sorts comments. but if you've got thoughts on what we're discussing get touch discussing tonight, get in touch with gb news gbnews.uk is with me. gb news gbnews.uk is the tweet me the email. or you can tweet me at gb news is a quick recap in case you're just tuned and you think what she going on about tonight? talk about tonight? i want to talk about the that it's a three year the fact that it's a three year anniversary since johnson, anniversary since boris johnson, welcome minister welcome as our prime minister what went wrong some might say nothing than things nothing at all other than things outside control. you outside of his control. do you agree i also want to agree with that? i also want to talk whether or it talk about whether or not it should for people to should be harder for people to go strike in this country and go on strike in this country and sunak's five point plan. of course i can't let ashoka without discussing this and diversion and includes collusion. we spend a small fortune on it. is it a good use of taxpayers money? you tell me . as i was just saying, our top story, tonight's boris johnson , story, tonight's boris johnson, who up three years ago today, i sorry day to find himself the boss of the united kingdom. our new prime minister, he wants a

victory in nature. remember it. 80 seat majority , of course, and 80 seat majority, of course, and the 2019 elections going to say it hasn't worked. how all that? well, certainly for him and for the tories some might say labour if you're into polls at 20 points ahead of the tories right now d she was my first email on this topic. she says when you say michelle was it all go wrong? what about covid, the ukraine wall, those kind of things , and put a spanner in the things, and put a spanner in the works, sir, she's saying loads of the country is struggling. it wasn't the fault of our government . i can really government. i can really sympathise with that because , sympathise with that because, you know, in 2019, covid and putin invading ukraine were not exactly being debated at election time. they were events that came out of nowhere. they're like almost asteroid events. certainly some people from afar would have been warning and fearing that russia would up to more of would have been up to more of military them. military adventures them. but then, know , they clearly then, you know, they clearly were disbelieved and that now we're now we've basically we're reaping whirlwind, reaping the whirlwind, as it were and so in meantime, boris

were. and so in meantime, boris johnson government very much are being these being knocked about by all these events. granted you know, as prime minister he then presided over an administration which had all of inquiries about how all sorts of inquiries about how they handled covid and the challenges about trust he challenges about the trust he would his colleagues would hold among his colleagues , why there was almost , which is why there was almost an unprecedented number of minister resignations in a bid to try force his hand so to try and force his hand so immediately, yes, there was the shock it is how he shock event, but it is how he responded it the responded to it and the administration's to administration's response to that which precipitated, of course, you leadership, course, you know, leadership, elections and obviously there's trust coming in and sorry, i'm saying flashing imagery on the screen as well, just in case i need to warn you about that . need to warn you about that. sorry. absolutely. and sorry. no noise. absolutely. and so it's been obviously a roller coaster either granted , we coaster and either granted, we remember very well that back then people thought was, you then people thought he was, you know, of all these surveys know, king of all these surveys , an majority. he , he's an 80 seat majority. he could you know, premier could be, you know, premier for a decade it seems to fit a decade and now it seems to fit the in many more premiers and elections and uncertainties come in sorry do you think he was a good thing, a good prime

minister for this country? i think he was a very consequential and monumental prime minister. he'll be remembered for delivering yes or no. it he'll be delivered no. it it he'll be delivered a brexit, which is one of those the strongest democratic mandates the british people have given the government. and he is smashed through blockades smashed through the blockades that in his way. he that prevailed in his way. he got the vaccine roll out, delivered. it was the fastest. and do you he was a good and do you think he was a good prime that there's prime minister, that there's many proud of? many things he can be proud of? absolutely. well, i got i got there in the end, everyone. i'm a good prime minister. boris johnson. no, he was terrible johnson. no, he was a terrible prime a very, very prime minister is a very, very good he absolutely good campaign. he absolutely smashed labour party debates at the i would, the election. but like i would, i i've used this metaphor i think i've used this metaphor with he's like the with you before. he's like the dog caught the didn't dog that caught the car, didn't know do with it. when he know what to do with it. when he got there, he he was he wanted to then continue governing as a campaigner he campaigner and actually, he was stuck two things. first of stuck with two things. first of all, there were unrest, dented crises, and that was a huge issue. but the problem is we also were not robust enough as a state to be able to cope with those crises. other countries,

everyone had to deal with everyone has had to deal with this. haven't gone through this. they haven't gone through three prime ministers in as many times, but all ended up times, but they've all ended up in a very similar most in a very similar sorry. most people, other people more people, other people are in more or of we all or less of a mess. we all considerably the bottom of considerably at the bottom of the terms that and the pile in terms of that and uncertainty terms of our uncertainty in terms of our politics. boris johnson was not the to lead us through the man to lead us through a crisis. we're looking out of crisis. we're not looking out of the in terms of if you look the pile in terms of if you look at things like inflation rates, global, we're not far, global, we're not by far, i would say we're not the worst in terms of outcomes where we found would say we're not the worst in terrwe're)utcomes where we found would say we're not the worst in terrwe're atcomes where we found would say we're not the worst in terrwe're a long, s where we found would say we're not the worst in terrwe're a long, longzre we found would say we're not the worst in terrwe're a long, long way/e found would say we're not the worst in terrwe're a long, long way from nd out we're a long, long way from the or even the middle of the top or even the middle of that parliament. this is the problem. we embedded problem. we were we had embedded problems. something problems. and this is something that when there's trust came in, she these problems are not she said, these problems are not caused crises. i agreed she said, these problems are not causisome crises. i agreed she said, these problems are not causisome of crises. i agreed she said, these problems are not causisome of her:rises. i agreed she said, these problems are not causisome of her analysis.greed she said, these problems are not causisome of her analysis. i'eed with some of her analysis. i thought her solutions were not sane , but the analysis was sane, but the analysis was right. we have had a long term deteriorate of our productivity, of our growth and stagnation within the country, which meant that when we were buffeted by these crises, we didn't have the robustness to deal with them.

and boris johnson was not the man, not the man to get his head down, work hard, keep his head down, work hard, keep his head down, out of the headlines down, stay out of the headlines and the crisis . he was just and into the crisis. he was just the wrong personality for that kind of leadership. he is, as i say, a great campaign , a say, a great campaign, a terrible prime minister which leads us then to i mean , i lose leads us then to i mean, i lose track, but i think the one after johnson was across you was an adviser to truss. when did she do a betterjob then? i think she really wanted to. she gave her all in in the efforts. try and do that. she, as i was saying, saw that there was historic problems being built up. there were solutions that needed, know, radical needed, you know, radical answers sense like on answers in the sense like on energy how we so energy security, how we and so we exposed in the we never left exposed in the same by the war in ukraine. same way by the war in ukraine. what did she do? you said she gave it her all. i could give it my all now to try and do 100 me a may not be any a sprint that may not be any good. good, but i didn't good. any good, but i didn't result. had to stand up for result. she had to stand up for the nation, admit she'd failed and she couldn't fulfil job and she couldn't fulfil her job anymore. think is, you anymore. which i think is, you know, clear she

know, very clear that she basically a bull at basically charged like a bull at the and went and the gate and went too far and didn't bring party with her. didn't bring her party with her. but she because i think the logic would be this amid all these problems, very intense challenges, you have to have an intense way trying to tackle challenges, you have to have an intens�*butiy trying to tackle challenges, you have to have an intens�*but of trying to tackle challenges, you have to have an intens�*but of course, to tackle challenges, you have to have an intens�*but of course, then|ckle challenges, you have to have an intens�*but of course, then by e them. but of course, then by sheer force will, you know, sheer force of will, you know, she'll that you need to she'll believe that you need to start cutting taxes when you have burden. have the highest tax burden. and did she leave the country in a better situation than when she picked was hideous picked it up? there was hideous legacy. covered legacy. some covered the lockdown and obviously the russian so i think it's russian war. so i think it's that it was just it was the same sort of challenges and actually the reason i'm slightly swerving is much what is because much of what she wants to do actually wants to do wasn't actually pushed got gutted at pushed through. it got gutted at the so some the last minute. so in some ways, she wasn't able to have impact that. me ask impact on that. so let me ask crisis. going to come you crisis. i'm going to come to you in a second, emma, about liz truss. but before i do, let me just ask you, as i've never been a adviser for anything a special adviser for anything in life except perhaps to in my life except perhaps how to make and cocktails, which make and down cocktails, which is a skill all need is not a skill that we all need to master. it's not very healthy. never healthy. for years i've never been situation , but if been in your situation, but if you are a special adviser and

then advise someone to then you advise someone to ultimately failed in their remit , how do you then move forward? do people look at you as a special advisers and go, it was his fault. it was her fault. how doesit his fault. it was her fault. how does it work? so i, i know it's very tempting. i'm sure some viewers will be pondering very much the same. i basically was involved with speechwriting. so other colleagues will be involved the economics, the involved in the economics, the mini was mini budget discussions. i was very trying to make sure very much trying to make sure she tell story and she could tell her story and determination out the determination and put out the strongest arguments so to say the word growth about 17 times in space, i'm not knocking it. i just thought that's what i remember from having growth. if i was obviously gruff about it, you miss it. so my argue that what she achieved in terms of growth was the exact opposite . growth was the exact opposite. but anyway, so you did speechwriting. so then what happens as a special happens then as a special adviser, it don't adviser, you advisers, it don't go well. what then happens is special advisers on that point , special advisers on that point, you're given this mission to like do everything to try and get britain growing again . i get britain growing again. i remember very well there was

interesting analysis, independent research that was done by the think tank, the isi. it's a very catchy name that was saying that we would have been on 2% growth next year. that has been fantastic for jobs, investment and everything else. but, know, part but, you know, that's part of the tragedy of this. but if you and desperately want to and i am, i desperately want to come as well. but i just come to you as well. but i just want to get self—conscious about because is something i because is something that i cannot what trusted cannot fathom. what liz trusted say was a big believer in what say i was a big believer in what she terms of the you she did in terms of the you know, advance of tax, know, the advance rate of tax, the 45, i think, is the additional 45, i think, is a very smart policy. we're moving out. start crying and out. people start crying and showing surveys all the showing in surveys and all the rest let's agree to rest of it. and let's agree to disagree. the of that disagree. but the timing of that was monumentally stupid and i used to look at that and i used to think surely every single person around you must be shaking you and saying, now is not the time to reduce the 45 p rate. so how does it work? it doesn't . she didn't she have doesn't. she didn't she have special advisers around to saying, no, don't do that when you were writing your speeches, did you use it? did you just use

to write 45 downs? what to write 45 pay downs? what would you say? no i think it's that's that will no doubt have been vigorous discussions because she was very much strong in her belief on this. she was talking to in the campaign about the need to start cutting taxes and clearly wants to be able and clearly she wants to be able to that extra mile, not just to go that extra mile, not just reversing sunak's national reversing rishi sunak's national audience you audience rise, but also, you know, corporation tax know, cutting on corporation tax and be and really trying to be ambitious in what you do for income because why income tax, because that's why she i'd say we're she wants to be. i'd say we're putting money back your putting more money back in your pockets. it's very much your money, spend, the money, not to spend, not the government's . but at the same government's. but at the same time, she was someone felt time, she was someone who felt that, have that, you know, you didn't have time and get stuck in time to delay and get stuck in endless whitehall debates and discussions and taking soundings from this. and from the treasury on this. and now wants to take now that she wants to take action immediately. yeah, i've got to say, what it's worth, action immediately. yeah, i've gdido say, what it's worth, action immediately. yeah, i've gdido say, with'hat it's worth, action immediately. yeah, i've gdido say, with'hat it'of vorth, action immediately. yeah, i've gdido say, with'hat it'of the 1, i did agree with some of the concepts trust and omics, and concepts of trust and omics, and i want to come to you and then if i've time, i need to if i've got time, i need to squeeze in another prime minister another minister because it was another one the three years. but one in the next three years. but liz we went johnson liz truss, we went from johnson to what do you reckon to her. what do you reckon truss. i mean someone who

truss. i mean for someone who believes nomics is a believes that truss nomics is a damaging economic approach, i couldn't have been given a bigger truss going bigger gift than liz truss going straight it had. first, straight for. it had. first, i disagreed all it. pretty disagreed with all of it. pretty much, and she trying much, yeah. and she was trying to cut the size of the state, a state that had already been significantly shrunk the significantly shrunk over the previous made really previous decade. it made really with thinking about what with no real thinking about what that means in terms of people's everyday lives and how that would and the would be ripped out. and the people who in the end said, no, hang on, this isn't going to work. it wasn't, in fact, the everyday vote is what's what was in fact, stopped with the markets on. we also markets saying, hang on. we also need a state that works in order for us to bring investment to this country. and they said, hang no , no further than hang on, no, no further than that. even brought that. so it wasn't even brought down, particularly by a left wing it it was the wing approach. it was it was the centre right saying this is just this is too much, is too this is too much, this is too far . so this is too much, this is too far. so i think just what makes itself really needs to be seen. it's not just the individual person's failure. i on a personal level, because i'm a human being when i watch liz truss resigning , i felt for her,

truss resigning, i felt for her, i felt sorry for her because she's my eyes were almost exactly the same age and she spent 20 years of her life working towards this moment. she's never going to have that moment must feel moment again and that must feel horrendous as somebody who never wants to see that economic approach taken again, i was very pleased to see it fall so badly when it came. why would it feel threatened? as i think i was threatened? as i think if i was liz and i tried to give it liz truss and i tried to give it my like what you say and it my all like what you say and it got and got pushed back got rejected and got pushed back and believed what i was and i believed in what i was doing, chair, i wouldn't be doing, my chair, i wouldn't be sitting there crying thinking, oh, that was awful. i was sitting thinking, well, sitting there thinking, well, you you don't want you know what? if you don't want it, you don't want i'll be it, you don't want it. i'll be off speaker circuit. i've off on the speaker circuit. i've been making small fortune. been making a small fortune. i won't looking back. i'll be won't be looking back. i'll be cracking i you can cracking on. i think you can remember in her closing remember the line in her closing speech effectively speech when she said effectively that convinced that she leaves more convinced than ever about the need for a bold action. and that's why, you know, i was talking about, know, when i was talking about, you on you know, the problems on reforms we need to reforms and what we need to get going have building going to have britain's building properly. and, you know, whether it's, know, things like it's, you know, things like broadband, housing, you know,

and much and that's why and so much more. and that's why you think around you can't really think around the that's the edges of this stuff. that's why she right to try and why she was right to try and sort of drive through. and there's a whole round packed agenda. got cracking into. agenda. she's got cracking into. then up the then she sunak is picking up the threads. you leave me, threads. yes, you leave me, you leave nicely stuck leave me nicely there, stuck into dad farming is stuck in into my dad farming is stuck in the it does sound the last three. is it does sound a bit ridiculous when you say it like that but we are where we are is going to be the future. is it going sort it all out is it going to sort it all out in the next and a bit? in the next year and a bit? well, i think the party in well, i think the tory party in the need him to succeed. the country need him to succeed. and certainly while we look at the polls and yes, labour observe what, 20 digits observe what, 20 double digits ahead, it seems pretty consistent. he's going consistent. i think he's going to to chip away at to be trying to chip away at that point. and we see that point for point. and we see with announcement the with today's announcement on the deal that he is deal with albania that he is finally ready to tackle the cause of core issues, that the voters who backed the tories in 2019 be thinking about and 2019 will be thinking about and crucially his crucially in showing his seriousness on illegal immigration sell immigration, he's trying to sell the he has ideas, he's the idea. he has ideas, he's willing get results and no willing to get results and no doubt to see that doubt we've got to see that really through really come through in the figures time. and i'm figures over time. yeah. and i'm looking will be coming looking forward will be coming

on topic is on to that topic that is mentions a little bit later on in programme that five point in the programme that five point rishi did you see rishi sunak plan, did you see it? there thinking, it? do you sit there thinking, yes, the answer to the yes, that is the answer to the channel crossings or do you just think it's all more words and probably going to probably nothing is going to change? she sunak is change? emma when she sunak is the they to the future, is they going to sort everything in the next sort everything out in the next yearin sort everything out in the next year in a back case, the next 18 months? there's that we months? there's a phrase that we use caretaker prime minister. use of caretaker prime minister. you picture it you kind of picture it editorial. although when it comes to an 18, 1800 pounds editorial over of he's just going to smile. the problem is she sunak has this the same problem anyone stepping into that role would have. we have a very, very divided governing party. he is almost completely at the behest of his backbenchers, despite the fact that they've got still we have so many independent mp now i've lost touch of how much? certainly the 80 seat certainly not the 80 seat majority won the majority that was won at the last election, but it is they've still significant majority still got a significant majority . the party itself is split . but the party itself is split into so many paths that it's almost completely ungovernable and unmanageable. yeah. and of

course already course in a situation already where we're seeing lots of tory mp that they work contest mp saying that they work contest the next election , many of them the next election, many of them are being very diplomatic ghost like oh yeah, it's because of things the boundaries things like the boundaries changes, the changes, not because of the future tories that don't future of the tories that don't really washington words really washington in the words of rose well, they of mandy rose davis well, they would they. mm. yes would wouldn't they. mm. yes jason says michelle, the reason that we've had three pms in so many years is because we've got so many back stabbing peace so many back stabbing and peace is nothing to do with how how bad boris was. he wasn't bad at all. are you a much closer to this than any of those? was that okay ? well, it's interesting. so okay? well, it's interesting. so i'll just quickly observe that, you know, liz was elected by the members and won some the budget came out, the markets yesterday reacted badly, but also they can see if a government at a party is able to deliver on their agenda and perhaps get within days. you know, you had the mamas from the party you mamas from the party about, you know, colleagues they know, from colleagues how they didn't things didn't really back these things that liz to climb that they wanted liz to climb down. so the markets will down. and so the markets will nofice down. and so the markets will notice a vicious cycle notice there was a vicious cycle she got into was

she got pulled into that was jason's point, because ultimately right, ultimately you're quite right, there dan one, there was a disconnect. dan one, it was the members want it. liz so what jason's saying quite succinctly there reckons succinctly there is he reckons it that never it was the mp is that never wanted liz there in first wanted liz there in the first place. they couldn't accept the member's vote but made it their mission rid of those is mission to get rid of those is disunity and stability disunity bred and stability and you agree with you know do you agree with jason's well, i jason's point? well, i think it's people that people it's the people that were people who didn't back her, weren't going to back her and practically on strike from practically were on strike from the elected. that the moment she was elected. that really jason, you really showed. and jason, you were your were shown at your screen. you'll be saying reckon the you'll be saying you reckon the back mp was first back stepping mp was first started? the boris started? on the whole, boris thing? say i don't thing? i have to say i don't necessarily disagree with you, but i think many people, many tories next election, tories at the next election, they'll and they'll they'll look back and they'll realise got a realise that perhaps they got a little bit ahead of little bit too ahead of themselves. got themselves. the egos got a little too big when they saw little bit too big when they saw the results because they i think, took it for granted that a lot of these people in red wall seats lent them their wall seats that lent them their vote do again vote would perhaps do so again in the one. i think they in the next one. i think they might taken that granted and might taken that for granted and they be in for a little they might be in for a little bit of a shock. were you one of

those voters? tell me your thoughts, vaiews@gbnews.uk. is the take quick the email going to take a quick break. back, i want break. when i come back, i want to to you about striking. to talk to you about striking. should it harder to go on should it be harder to go on strike? i love that. i'm sorry. your thoughts on that last topic in just couple of minutes

hi there. welcome back to dewbs & co with me, michelle dewberry. i'm keeping you company until 7:00 this evening alongside me. i've got the political commentator emma burnell, and i saw bennett, who is a former special adviser to liz truss. we've just been into we've just been getting into that. fascinated by special that. i'm fascinated by special advisers . that. i'm fascinated by special advisers. i'm going find out advisers. i'm going to find out want speak to our afterwards want to speak to our afterwards and find out what does one do to become a special adviser and fascinate. i want to be one. fascinate. and i want to be one. i i know you don't. i mean, i know you don't. horrible job. trade. say horrible job. oh, trade. say because i do our thing and no offence to sometimes i do think who advises these people what are they thinking? so yeah i'm

trying to name home and pay all sort of friends. yeah you know folks , a speechwriter. i had folks, a speechwriter. i had a speech to. yeah, you'll get me saying grow if you can sit small disagreeing who disagree with you. i'm sorry pop he was i really think scott's by the way, disagreeing with tax cuts. disagree with tax cuts with nothing to back them up. yeah have you ever seen a tax cut? you actually like? yes, i would. i would cut taxes on most working people . it'sjust i would cut taxes on most working people . it's just it's working people. it's just it's what going to do. well. what she was going to do. well. well, , you know. well, well, that's, you know. well, it's funny you should say that, right? you think like right? you say you think like because wouldn't i don't because i. i wouldn't i don't qualify the 45 tax rate. qualify for the 45 pay tax rate. so it certainly isn't my household or the households of people round my way. well, you say you'd celebrate working tax cuts to working class people , cuts to working class people, which almost leads me nicely onto the strike situation. so it does because the government is reportedly considering new legisla ation. that would make it harder for some public sector workers like nurses, etc, to go on strike . it's all basically

on strike. it's all basically about thresholds that would need to be met and it's about because i actually found these numbers quite interesting that i would call them quite low. but ultimately what they're trying to do is say that unions would have to half of their have to get half of their members to industrial members to support industrial action ahead . i action before going ahead. i think that's a 40% at the moment, but i would say actually it should be 51. so you're definitely in the majority of the people that are making the votes as opposed to right in the middle . do you think it should middle. do you think it should be harder to go on strike? a i think the government do this all the time. every time we get into a series of strikes , they start a series of strikes, they start trying to deal with the strikes rather than the cause of the strikes. it's just stupid. rather than the cause of the strikes. it'sjust stupid. if you want do that, let people you want to do that, let people vote electronically. everyone else gets to vote electronically. but the moment they won't unions have these they won't let unions have these ballots electronically. so let them do that. and then if you want to mess around with the thresholds, they will almost certainly in some of certainly beat them in some of these we're seeing 85.

these strikes we're seeing 85. that's don't wash with me, because if people are in a situation and i listen to these union leaders, they are saying all people can't even afford to feed their kids. if people feed their own kids. if people are that situation, then are in that situation, then surely they then make the surely they would then make the effort to avert take a box on a piece of paper and stick it in a post box. that's not too much of an affect. you literally can't feed your kids. what you're saying. what i'm saying is make it easier, it harder and it easier, make it harder and harder them to this harder for them to get to this final, final decision. they final, final decision. and they keep there because final, final decision. and they keep are there because final, final decision. and they keep are getting because final, final decision. and they keep are getting harderse final, final decision. and they keep are getting harder and things are getting harder and harder point to it. harder every point up to it. well, saying is it would be well, i'm saying is it would be much more sensible rather than just endlessly trying to repeat the comes the the action that comes at the very end of a negotiating process, is strike process, which is strike actually. why didn't you intervene much earlier so that we not getting to the point we are not getting to the point where workers are feeling desperate go without desperate enough to go without a day's to make this point, day's wages, to make this point, when union, for when you've got a union, for example, of the nurses wants example, one of the nurses wants 19. there or thereabouts. i think they're requesting . do you think they're requesting. do you think they're requesting. do you think that's a fair request? yes, because think it only yes, because i think it only takes them back two in real

terms to what they were earning in 2010. so do you think it should be we have 47,000 vacancies in nursing at the moment . you're not going to fill moment. you're not going to fill that by making nursing cheaper and harder to do. do you think it should be granted? yes, of course it should be using less, i yes yes. we should be i suppose. yes yes. we should be paying i suppose. yes yes. we should be paying decent wage paying nurses a decent wage so that can attract into that we can attract people into it, so we can actually, as it, so that we can actually, as a 19% of the access. yeah, right. and much that right. and how much is that going to i don't have the going to cost? i don't have the figures on that exact cost, but i think it's a reasonable request to go back the request to go back to the standard of living. you 12 standard of living. you had 12 years right. then all of years ago. right. so then all of these the people you these are the people you firefighters train firefighters and you train drivers, of people are drivers, all of these people are going strike. they don't see going on strike. they don't see the 19. they're the nurses getting 19. they're going same or going to want the same or similar. they should have similar. well, they should have nobody's of living. and nobody's cost of living. and that standard living that would be standard of living should because should go down because they choose be public servant. choose to be a public servant. we going to lose the talent we are going to lose the talent that we need to run our public services if we pay people services if we don't pay people what need to a decent what they need to live a decent life. by the way, just for life. and by the way, just for the record, regular viewers

the record, as regular viewers will know, both my mom and sister nhs workers , they might sister nhs workers, they might be watching. my mum was shot with screen. shut up, with a screen. shut up, michelle. want agree with michelle. we want we agree with them as actually want 25% to them as actually we want 25% to be shot with a shot up with michelle's mum. just michelle's mum. i just always find this fascinating where people think that you can find all money from a sandwich all this money from a sandwich you on it all. well, look, you stand on it all. well, look, behind every union. a blank check. then what happens for inflation? happens ? inflation? to see what happens? you think the government you know, i think the government estimates would estimates that that say it would cost basically every in cost basically every family in the country cost basically every family in the countr year extra the country £1,000 a year extra to be able. a contested to be able. that's a contested divorce. caveat applies divorce. granted caveat applies but same point, if you but at the same point, if you look the you know look at the look at the you know look at the broad this. so the broad picture of this. so the 19% being request similar 19% being request is similar demands, busting pay demands, inflation busting pay rises unions . demands, inflation busting pay rises unions. i just rises from the unions. i just simply say this, it is more than many people are getting in the private sector. and like private sector. and so like we're going through we're all going through hardships. about the hardships. and what about the threat to strike? as we all threat to strike? so as we all know , as introduces start the know, as introduces start the topic this conversation now about should the threshold be higher, should it be more

difficult? go on strike. where do you stand on that? well, i think the beginning, people think at the beginning, people is sympathetic but is very sympathetic to this. but trouble look at the trouble is, let's look at the rmt strikes happening this this week. serves, week. if memory serves, they have about 90% of have a mandate of about 90% of members voting, 91 initially voted in and then michelle is saying pointed out today to then that's on stay programme that about 61% i think voted it in the last of the last pay offer so even if you take both of those as the mandates, they're about 50. you know, this proposal would not stop what we're about to see this week . i we're about to see this week. i find this quite interesting because at the moment, as i was saying , it's 40% in the initial saying, it's 40% in the initial votes . and i just don't think votes. and i just don't think that that's high enough in terms of the impacts that these strikes sent is usually what gets you a government. so you gets you a government. so you get to be prime minister on 40. i think you should be able to have a say over your workplace and 40. do you all do you think at home, do you think. well, you might think so. 40% is too might even think so. 40% is too much. you might even be sitting there even there saying it doesn't even need as high as that.

need to be as high as that. i don't know. there's just something about words. and don't get me wrong, do not me get me wrong, do not get me wrong. people to have wrong. i want people to have a decent standard of living. there's something about the whole percentage conversation that really sit well that doesn't really sit well with me, because if you're on the end of the scale and the lower end of the scale and you get 5% or whatever, that's not a huge amount to you . not a huge amount to you. whereas if you are on 75 ground or whatever , you're 5% is quite or whatever, you're 5% is quite decent. so i would always like to be in a situation where those are the very lowest end of the spectrum in terms of pay. they are getting the biggest boost to their take home pay. that's what i would like to see. i would really like to see. there's of conversations , there's lots of conversations, people oh, you know, people saying, oh, you know, this going to food this nurse is going to a food bank and nurse is going to bank and that nurse is going to food bank and all the rest of it. i'm not really sure about why is happening. i mean, it. i'm not really sure about whjare is happening. i mean, it. i'm not really sure about whjare saying|ppening. i mean, it. i'm not really sure about whjare saying that|ing. i mean, it. i'm not really sure about whjare saying that we. i mean, it. i'm not really sure about whjare saying that we are nean, it. i'm not really sure about whjare saying that we are seeing we are saying that we are seeing nurses getting to a point where they afford food they are unable to afford food to feed their families to the average wage of a nice. it's not higher . i average wage of a nice. it's not higher. i mean it's in the high twenties. i think which given

the way that costs have gone up and again it hasn't increased more than one or 2% over the last ten years, which means that they are significantly it's been a year on year. i'm going to say something right. and some people will be quite angry at me for saying this and perhaps think it's controversial. but this food bank sentence, i feel that this has become a sentence that gets trotted out. what in order to put conscience and to almost weapon of lies a situation i feel that i don't know if i've got feel that i don't know if i've go t £50 to dispose as well got £50 to dispose as well income at the end of my month and i've got to stretch as absolutely everything. and then all of a sudden i can get a portion of my food for free from over there. why wouldn't i? because you have to qualify to go to a food that the food banks are almost, almost entirely done through you to be through referral. you have to be in hardship to be qualified to go to a food bank. it's not a case of rocking up and getting what's given to you. yeah. and

also i, i mean, michelle, i would love it if we didn't need to rely on food banks in this country. i'm disgusted that people to go to food banks people have to go to food banks in i think it's in this country. i think it's appalling that we live in a country where a country in one of the richest countries in the world many our systems world and so many of our systems and those systems who are giving their time to work our their time to work for our pubuc their time to work for our public services having to public services are having to use banks. i agree use food banks. i agree with you. i it. if we didn't use you. i love it. if we didn't use food banks. unfortunately, food banks. but unfortunately, at where at the moment, that's where we're a terrible short we're at. it's a terrible short term stopgap. what need is a term stopgap. what we need is a system that actually works for those to have anything to those nurses to have anything to come back on that point . i know come back on that point. i know precisely that point, but just knowing that this strikes he was going because going to run and run because i've going to run and run because pve the going to run and run because i've the bma voting with i've got the bma voting with junior doctors. so i think junior doctors. and so i think we'll no cheering we'll be no doubt cheering it over and the government's going to answer the to three find an answer on the strikes. yeah i don't i mean, i know that people would really upset me about upset and angry with me about the that i'm making about the point that i'm making about food do i just feel food banks. but i do ijust feel like that sentence someone has to rely on a food bank. it has become this almost overused , become this almost overused,

weaponized get weaponized statement. don't get me i completely me wrong, i completely agree with want anyone in with you. i don't want anyone in this country to absolutely have to go to a food bank and literally that is the only way they can get food. they've cut their cloth and done everything possible, and still they cannot afford food. that's not acceptable, particularly if someone work, someone is going to work, particularly in some cases if someone is going to work full time, completely time, that's completely unacceptable completely unacceptable, completely inappropriate. i just worry inappropriate. but i just worry and wonder if that ever is abuse . you're telling me that .you're telling me that absolutely i'm wrong and i'll take that on the chain. i'm a big girl. i got a massive chin. what do you make to it all? get in touch, vaiews@gbnews.uk uk you guys are all about. jay says . what planet does this woman live on? may or may ? i mean, if live on? may or may? i mean, if your wife may miss you means you . where is all this money going to come from? he's saying. and thatis to come from? he's saying. and that is the interesting question. why does a lot of this come from all i have to say, jay ? i can't help but notice whenever we're talking about giving nurses or whatever a pay

rise, people always say where there's more. is this there's more. where is this money but then we money coming from? but then we seem find millions seem to find millions and millions that way for vanity projects or some crisis there and some crisis there. so we do seem to have much money. trees don't wait when it seems to be appropriate. anyway, i'm going to take a quick break. when i come back, i want to talk to you about the latest plan. there's plans every day these days today as plan is a five point plan from rishi sunak's to deal with the burts crossing the channel. have you seen it? what do you think? is it going to make think? so is it going to make a blind bit of difference getting search? me thoughts search? tell me your thoughts and into .

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panel of political commentator emma burnell and eisa bennetts, who is a former special adviser to liz truss. you guys have been sending in your comments. goodness gracious me. i think i've just been sworn at more time and honestly alone, i've just been in smaller threes. hi, ms. i'm referencing my pondenngs ms. i'm referencing my ponderings on the food bank situation. i'm going to read some of those comments out in a couple of minutes because lots of divided opinions are coming up and in my inbox, if you disagree with me, by the way, just say just going with me, just say just going with me, just swear on me a bit strange. anyway, one of the one of these if publix, chris says if public sector workers were given the same rises mp is, they same pay rises as mp is, they would have no need to strike. interesting point. you make the ivan says michel, everyone has the right to withdraw. that labouris the right to withdraw. that labour is the only option people have. labour is the only option people have . do not take away from them have. do not take away from them . there should be no strikes as mark. if you don't like what you're paid for, go and work somewhere else . yes, but not somewhere else. yes, but not people shouting at the screen

might say, well, i was fine with what i was being paid for when i appued what i was being paid for when i applied for the job. but over time my have been eroded time my wages have been eroded by like higher living by things like higher living costs. then? costs. what do you do then? i don't you need more people don't know. you need more people to be in nursing, not people leaving nursing. we certainly do. tell you, i really hope do. i tell you, i really hope i don't get ill and none of my loved ones get ill anytime soon because i do. i hear these because i do. i hear all these stories, i see all these experiences i think, experiences and i think, goodness a well, goodness me, just stay a well, everybody, best hope everybody, that's your best hope at the moment, isn't it? anyway, let's talk plans, shall we? rishi minister rishi sunak our prime minister has his five point plan has laid out his five point plan to the channel crisis to solve the channel crisis among other things that mean that migrants albania who that migrants from albania who enter illegally will enter the uk illegally will almost always be deport . and almost always be deport. and we're going to have creation of a new unit to monitor crossings from france . as i before i come from france. as i before i come to you, let's recap the that we've had about 44,000 people cross the channel this way so far this year five point plan to reckon it's going to work. i think it needs to work,

particularly because he's the one announcing it. he's fronted up . you know, that shows he up. you know, that shows he wants to own this plan and be held accountable for it. if he didn't, he'd have the home secretary office secretary or home office minister instead, minister fronted up. instead, he's stamp his branding he's wants to stamp his branding on because he's supposed on this because he's supposed to show and it's show his gripping it. and it's just that he to deal with just that he wants to deal with the backlog by next year, the asylum backlog by next year, and particularly your viewers will very much remember what happened rwanda scheme happened with the rwanda scheme when couldn't when the flights couldn't take off legal challenge . so off due to legal challenge. so i think that's what people will be expecting action expecting that see clear action , the results to come through in the coming months. what do you sometimes we have to have a comprehensive immigration system that works. it has to have rules as to be i don't trust the government to write good rules and i certainly don't trust them to enforce it. one of the groups of people thrown into our last conversation that are going strike border force, who strike on the border force, who are failing that, they are also being treated appallingly, not paid properly, but also their pay, paid properly, but also their pay, their conditions and their terms and conditions are very,

very the people at the very poor. if the people at the sharp end of this do not feel that they're able to do their jobs we are jobs properly, that we are actually filling up that front end of the border force making sure that there is proper , well sure that there is proper, well motivated staff doing those jobs . i can't see how this delivery is going to work at all. so whether or not it's a good plan, it probably doesn't matter because it's almost certainly not going to be deliverable. but in most think it's deliverable or else why sit there and be so specific? i mentioned by the way, the country thing when way, the safe country thing when it to albania a new it comes to albania a new agreement approach has agreement and as approach has been the albanian been agreed with the albanian officials, prime officials, including the prime minister basically minister this will basically border force officials are to be at the airport for the first time to stop people trying to get into the uk illegally. new guidance will be issued for caseworkers that albania is a safe country, which will mean that majority claims that the majority of claims that's quote are that's in direct quote are rejected thousands will be rejected and thousands will be returned. flights in returned. a weekly flights in the months until, i quote the coming months until, i quote all albanians in our backlog

have been removed. so talk isn't it absolutely set the bar high and we also know that the case he put today was it wasn't just, you know, what he wants to do, but what is right to do. he was talking about, you know, be necessary , then take on the necessary, then take on the people smugglers, the traffic has and to make sure that people can here legally. can still come here legally. he's strong story and he's got very strong story and able able to talk able ability to be able to talk about but he obviously about this but he obviously needs clamp quite needs to clamp down quite rightly on illegal immigration because what know, because that's what you know, that's people that's what's causing people to see as to see and see those as want to see and what it basically the hopes of the always being re—elected in 2024 on among other things 2024 rests on among other things , because the tories , of course, because the tories must they must know that must know they must know that this issue in the channel is something that a lot of people in class come in and in working class come in and says be really bothered by. says will be really bothered by. even if you're not one of those people that's bothered by this, you can't look at the optics of the think not the situation and think it's not problematic. you've people problematic. you've got people in hotels . we're in four star hotels. we're talking of living talking about cost of living cnses talking about cost of living crises talking about people crises, talking about people withdrawing to

withdrawing their labour. so to quote can afford to quote you, they can afford to feed children. and then feed their children. and then across road, you've got four across the road, you've got four star is being packed full star hotel is being packed full with people who've just decided to get on a well, there to get on a boat. well, there are a number of things we are a number of things that we could that would make it. could do that would make it. that's different thing for that's a different thing for that. should let people work that. we should let people work their a response their way waiting for a response until we know how things . so until we know how things. so i don't mean , as you have quite don't mean, as you have quite often put it, how can you have more crossings? yeah, we are. if we people work. so you're saying that sitting in a four star held hotel for 18 months doesn't incentivise them, but working for 18 months does. well, what i'm saying, it's something that while waiting for while they're waiting for a decision, we let them decision, we should let them work are contributing to work so that are contributing to the country, not the economy of the country, not costing well what i'm costing money. well what i'm saying think a lot of saying is i think that a lot of these people that are coming from france, they're not really genuine asylum what genuine asylum seekers. what they economic . you they are is economic. so if you actually make that economic situation better , then you will situation better, then you will absolutely . what is better than absolutely. what is better than sitting in a hotel room or

working a day's work when if you're sitting one of those contributes to the country and the other doesn't? that's what i'm saying. it'sjust basically i'm saying. it's just basically like sitting in a hotel room and i don't know , perhaps you might i don't know, perhaps you might be working on the not necessarily legal economy. you prefer that you might be getting your no out affair that people were not able to just sit there, make up stories, is getting a little bit dingy and end up in four star hotels. so i would actually want a situation where if you've got a safe country such as albania, you know, full well get on the br because it's ludicrous won't be granted asylum. i don't know whether this will work on that particular case on the albanian case in particular. we shall see. i think that there are i mean, there are certainly a deal to be i think i think labour has said that they would do a similar approach with albania. so i don't think this is particularly politically controversial. well but what i am saying is that i do not trust this government to deliver and neither do the border workers.

i've got to say , agree with you i've got to say, agree with you on that point. we met there. in the end, we got to a point of agreement at the end. do think agreement at the end. i do think emirates is a good point there and it will divide and i know it will divide opinion. you think that these opinion. do you think that these people going to the dinghies people are going to the dinghies that up hotels, that end up in these hotels, whatever do think they whatever do you think they should to immediately should be allowed to immediately go we hear all the time go to work? we hear all the time that we've got staff shortages. absolutely is that that we've got staff shortages. abs answer? is that that we've got staff shortages. abs answer? i'm is that that we've got staff shortages. abs answer? i'm saying s that that we've got staff shortages. abs answer? i'm saying it'llat the answer? i'm saying it'll just encourage crossings, just encourage more crossings, but wrong. it has but i might be wrong. it has been on occasion. so tell been known on occasion. so tell me thoughts on emma's idea me your thoughts on emma's idea that able to that should you just be able to work, contribute this work, contribute to this economy? know. it's economy? let know. it's also going take a quick break. going to take a quick break. when i come back, i want to talk to you about diversity and inclusion. report says the inclusion. a report says the government spending t £7 government is spending about £7 billion so—called billion a year on so—called work projects. even mean? projects. what does even mean? you me what you think too you tell me what you think too it all and i'll see you in a couple of minutes .

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dewbs& co me michelle dewberry. right, true. so 7:00 tonight alongside the political commentary that i about now and so bennett, who's the former special adviser to liz truss , a special adviser to liz truss, a new report out says the government is spending new report out says the government is spendin g £7 government is spending £7 billion a year on equality and diverse city projects. this research was done by a group called concerned active way forward who said that the money was going into things like art council courses on topics such as unlearning your whiteness and it employed thousands of people to implement diversity targets. i don't know why i laughed because someone session is a very serious topic indeed . what very serious topic indeed. what do you make of all of this? are so that the government spends £1,000,000,000,000 year and so £1,000,000,000,000 a year and so 7 in some it's put 7 billion in some ways it's put it context it's you it's it in context it's you it's still big on its own terms. and, you know, certainly if you're looking efficiencies, looking to make efficiencies, particularly as we're discussing earlier how earlier about, you know, how much be spent on, much money can be spent on, you know, nurses, know , some know, for nurses, you know, some billions about tens of thousands of nurses salaries, for example

. and if i just put out it, make two quick points. one, we can all agree that diversity should be a good thing, particularly to have a breadth of talent to pull on. that's why, you know, that's what the of levelling up what the spirit of levelling up as that making sure as effectively, that making sure that country can that across the country you can have opportunities. but have the same opportunities. but if put out , you know, the if i just put out, you know, the problems here that let's take the unconscious bias training that's, you know, the public money is spent on yeah we know and i'm particularly aware of this with the this because i worked with the government office , government equalities office, you know, less that unconscious bias no bias training there's no evidence works anything it evidence it works if anything it helps antagonise people it can backfire people their backfire reminds people their differences than bringing differences rather than bringing them so, know , them together. so, you know, there is a lot of fat we can trim here. yeah. emma, finally, your thoughts ? i i sort of agree your thoughts? i i sort of agree with ailsa in many ways. i think there are we go through kind of cycles of different types of diversity training and they do swing from one type to another . swing from one type to another. what i think diversity is in critically important so that we get the absolute diversity of

what we're a diversity of everything. so one of the things i would really like to see, which unfortunately never happened, is the enactment of the clause in the equalities act 2010 that actually said we should have more such a no more account of socio economic diversity, through diversity, i.e. bringing through working class talent as much as talking about race, gender , talking about race, gender, ethnicity, religion , all of ethnicity, religion, all of those things we need to make sure that workplaces are comfortable places for everybody to flourish in and give their best, and that needs to be tested. so i absolutely believe that we should be looking at how to make those places diverse for and accessible for people with disabilities. for example , disabilities. for example, making sure that people don't feel that they are discriminated against in their workplace. but we must test how that's working because we're just saying these things happen and we know it's a magical thing that we're just going to say that this works as a monitoring and evaluation is incredibly important. part any type of training. so we have to

make sure that we are actually testing that it's achieving its goals. otherwise don't see the point. yeah, i've got to say, there's everyone's thoughts about diversity all about diversity and it's all about diversity and it's all about skin colour your about your skin colour or your sexuality one thing sexuality or whatever. one thing that is there's very that annoys me is there's very little focus done on diversity of thoughts because people have different opinions. and if you looked at so much output from these diversity things and these tough new words, everyone's got a say in these new labels and this and that, not only that, it's almost like to me it's not inclusive at all. it's indoctrination . and everyone now indoctrination. and everyone now must think like this, use this terminology, do this, be like this, speak like this. and it's about indoctrinating people, but actually where is the permissibility or is that a word? i've i just meant that word? i've i just meant that word of anyone . yeah. is it is word of anyone. yeah. is it is that proper way? it really is. oh, i'll take that. good. i like it when i use right words and i use them properly. but where is the ability to actually be able to think different in this

society? i don't know. i'm going to throw it to you that for me is one element that is really missed out all diversity missed out of all this diversity stuff. lots lots and lots of stuff. lots and lots and lots of you contact with me about you are in contact with me about that food situation . i've that food bank situation. i've been swallowing that quite a bit. luckily for me, i'm quite often in california now. what more a small more swearword than some of you guys, but i'll refrain from using them. what you have inspired me to do, though, actually have though, is actually have a proper this, proper debate about this, because the because i think that the sentence people relying on food banks become weaponized , banks has become weaponized, politicised. dave says . i've politicised. dave says. i've worked at food bank and the lady is wrong. not everybody has to qualify. why? some people absolutely do take advantage. if you've inspired me , i'm to you've inspired me, i'm going to have properly and know have this on properly and know that i've enjoyed that emma, as i've enjoyed tonight. thank that's all tonight. thank you. that's all i've time for. next is nigel i've got time for. next is nigel farage. nigel. good evening. what got for us ? michel what have you got for us? michel good evening. i knew five point plan from the prime minister , plan from the prime minister, rishi sunak, that he says will solve the migrant crisis. i'll debate that tonight point by

point and ask you to respond. do you think rishi sunak's plan will solve the problem? because i've got to tell you , i don't. i've got to tell you, i don't. but before all of that, let's get the all important weather . get the all important weather. good evening, alex deakin here with your latest updates. any cold once more out there and a large d clear skies could be icy almost anywhere. what particular? we've got snow showers northern scotland showers over northern scotland and there some wet weather and there is some wet weather coming in to the southwest. courtesy low courtesy of this area of low pressure , some mixed in pressure, some mild air mixed in with that but it's quite with that, but it's never quite reaching as we are staying blue as staying cold, cold front bringing more snow showers across northern scot , ireland. across northern scot, ireland. so a further few centimetres possible here, a few wintry showers scattered across eastern england and for northern ireland could turn icy. and this could turn things icy. and this wet coming the wet weather coming into the southwest will have some southwest that will have some snow as well. you may snow mixed in as well. you may wake up to covering in places wake up to a covering in places across parts of southwest england could here , england and could be icy here, too, drop below too, as temperatures drop below freezing well below again across scotland northern england scotland and northern england where any lying on the where there's any lying on the ground, we could get to down —12

or minus the team . so frosty, or minus the team. so a frosty, icy for some tomorrow icy start for some tomorrow morning, for most it's morning, but for most it's another bright fine , crisp another bright fine, crisp winter's day, probably a sunny, a day in recent days, some weather close to the south coast, perhaps affecting the channel and sleet channel isles and more sleet and snow coming into eastern snow showers coming into eastern england. showers continuing snow showers coming into eastern englinorthern showers continuing snow showers coming into eastern englinorthern scotland. continuing snow showers coming into eastern englinorthern scotland .:ontinuing snow showers coming into eastern englinorthern scotland . again,ing over northern scotland. again, it's to be cold just about it's going to be cold just about struggling above freezing for most very are in the most, but very cold are in the wind across the north and a brisk breeze picking up along the south coast as well. more snow showers coming in during wednesday night across scotland and of northern. so again, and parts of northern. so again, it could be icy on thursday morning , still have warnings in morning, still have warnings in place until friday actually. and then it's just another fine brights winter's day for the majority on thursday. lots of sunshine eventually lifting the temperatures just about above freezing. but again, potentially quite icy with these snow showers coming into eastern england, northern scotland and parts of northern ireland. temperatures still well below average and temperatures dropping quickly again through

the evening . so a frosty start the evening. so a frosty start to friday, but signs of a change as things turn wetter on sunday. windier but also milder.

at. at . some . tonight will rishi at. some. tonight will rishi sunak's five point plan to solve the shadow migration crisis work will also have a look at lynch's support. is it beginning to fade away? i told you yesterday about stunning electricity prices as wind energy failed to produce. we'll find out tonight what the impact was on the british steel industry. and joining me for talking pints, sarah elliot, the former chair of republicans overseas . but before all of that overseas. but before all of that , get the news with polly mental

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