at. at . some . tonight will rishi at. some. tonight will rishi sunak's five point plan to solve the shadow migration crisis work will also have a look at lynch's support. is it beginning to fade away? i told you yesterday about stunning electricity prices as wind energy failed to produce. we'll find out tonight what the impact was on the british steel industry. and joining me for talking pints, sarah elliot, the former chair of republicans overseas . but before all of that overseas. but before all of that , get the news with polly mental

host . nigel thank you and good host. nigel thank you and good evening to you. the top story tonight, the prime minister is facing criticism from human rights organisations after announcing plans to return thousands of albanians to their home country. rishi sunak has been accused of treating asylum seekers like criminals after he promised to eliminate the asylum claims backlog by the end of next year . he claims backlog by the end of next year. he also vowed to halve the cost of housing migrants reload , cutting 10,000 migrants reload, cutting 10,000 people from hotels , two sites, people from hotels, two sites, including disused holiday parks . police say they now suspect gas was behind the at a block of flats in jersey at the weekend. earlier it was confirmed the number of people who've died in st helier has risen to seven. the island's police chief named two people who are still missing their ken and jane ralph , both their ken and jane ralph, both in their seventies . and police in their seventies. and police have confirmed two bodies have

been found close to where a fishing boat sank off the coast of jersey last week. larissa young and jervis valley were crew members on board the boat, which sank after it collided with a cargo ship in the early hours of thursday morning. the craft is being skippered by michael michalak. craft is being skippered by michael michalak . all three men michael michalak. all three men died. jose police say they are though, continuing their search and recovery operation . a six and recovery operation. a six year old boy remains in a critical condition in hospital after he fell through an icy lake in solihull . three other lake in solihull. three other boys aged eight, ten and 11 died after being pulled out of the water in kings hurst. members of the public applauded a group of officers from west midlands police who marched through the town to lay flowers in tribute . town to lay flowers in tribute. balloons of toys and candles were also left at a vigil, which took place last night . now the took place last night. now the rmt union general secretary has been apologising for disruption to train services as four weeks of a dust drill action began

today , 40,000 members are today, 40,000 members are striking today. two morrow, friday and saturday with more walkouts to come over . festive walkouts to come over. festive period. union members rejected the latest pay offer by network rail of a 5% pay rise. this yean rail of a 5% pay rise. this year, with another 4% pay rise in 2023. with transport. mark harper of the union to reconsider the offer . but mr. reconsider the offer. but mr. lynch said they needed a better offer and scientists in the united states have for the first time used nuclear fusion to generate more than was consumed in the process. nuclear power plants currently rely on fission , which splits atoms releasing harmful radiation. but fusion energy , which pushes atoms energy, which pushes atoms together is safer, sustainable, clean and cheap. the decades long international effort could one day lead to unlimited energy for the world and aid the fight against climate change. you up

to date on tv , online at dab, to date on tv, online at dab, plus radio here with gb news where now it's time for fast . where now it's time for fast. good evening with the prime minister is under tremendous pressure from sections of the media, but in particular his own backbenchers to deal with what's happening in the english channel as hotels fill up all over the country and people scream, this is not fair, this is not justice. with social housing less of a rebellion, access to gp becoming harder and harder you know the story . so today our you know the story. so today our new prime minister hit back with a five point plan to deal with the issue. well, i'm going to go through with you line by line to find out whether we think it's going to give us a solution. let me give you the big picture . me give you the big picture. first, let's listen . the most first, let's listen. the most important thing, rishi sunak had

to say today . mr. speaker, to say today. mr. speaker, i said enough is enough. and i mean it . and that means i am mean it. and that means i am prepared to do what must be done so early next year. we will introduce new legislation to make unambiguously clear that if you enter the uk illegally, you should not be able to remain here . well, there you are. tough here. well, there you are. tough talk . but suddenly i thought. is talk. but suddenly i thought. is this a deja vu moment after all, they've been in power for 12 years. this issue has been building and building up in the public's mind . i was reminded of public's mind. i was reminded of david cameron as prime minister. this is what he had to say about illegal immigration. well we want an immigration system that puts britain first. and so what doing today is a whole series of changes that says to people, if you come here illegally, we will make it harder for you to have a home, to get a car, to have a job, to get bank account . and

job, to get bank account. and when we find you and we will find you, we'll make sure you are sent back to the country you came from. the most important is to stop them coming across from france. so we're working very closely the french closely with the french authorities. you authorities. we will send you back and you know, the uk is i should not be regarded as a place where you can automatically come and break the law by seeking to arrive illegally. if you come illegally, you are an illegal migrants and i'm afraid the law will treat you as such . so there will treat you as such. so there you have it . there you have it. you have it. there you have it. cameron johnson , sunak all cameron johnson, sunak all telling us if you come here illegally, you will get sent back. three oxbridge graduates . back. three oxbridge graduates. i sometimes think they still think they're in the oxford union. it's all a great big game . just tell the public what they want to hear. set a few deadunes. want to hear. set a few deadlines . nobody's ever going deadlines. nobody's ever going to remember. and it won't really matter because labour are going to counter it anyway . is rishi to counter it anyway. is rishi sunak today offering solutions to the problem ? well, let me

to the problem? well, let me know your views please. farage at gb news uk. in my opinion , at gb news uk. in my opinion, none of it is worth a row of beans. well, let's ask a real expert. let's go to our moment. chairman of migration. watch out. you've obviously seen what's come out today. five major points being put by the prime minister to the country. it begins with small boats command. so he's talking about a change to the structures by which we do things in the channel. do think that's going to make a big difference? well, firstly, nigel, let me just say, yeah, let's not be too childish . he's really said things today. ultimately the public will judge him on results . well, i agree him on results. well, i agree with that. but i'm making the point. david cameron said the same thing. boris johnson said the same thing. theresa may was the same thing. theresa may was the longest serving home secretary in 150 years. what he said , that's different. i accept said, that's different. i accept all that. it's really a case of

let let let's leave cameron out of this because he wasn't around when the small boats started arriving. however however, he was around when people were coming across in lorries in very large numbers . no, absolutely. large numbers. no, absolutely. and indeed, as you pointed out, bofis and indeed, as you pointed out, boris johnson said yes, if you arrive illegally, you will be sent back and nothing happened. but i like to believe that it's a useful start. let's wait and see. will we have the right sort of political will? will we have the right sort of courage in order to face the first sound of gunfire or will they run hiding when all massive, massive resistance that's going to blow up in due course? i i will say i will wait and see. i keep my fingers crossed and big pledge , fingers crossed and big pledge, no more hotels . of course, the no more hotels. of course, the reason for that is they're all

full already on. so we're going to put them in butlins and pontins all over the country. yeah i think that was probably a little a of a gimmick little bit of a of a gimmick almost because the numbers almost because if the numbers continue at the same sort of scale that they are at the moment , frankly, will soon run moment, frankly, will soon run out of bottles and pontins and the rest of them. so no, i don't see that as helping to solve this right now. one very specific pledge that he made with a timeline . got to put more with a timeline. got to put more caseworkers on the asylum cases , clear the backlog. he said a deadline. clear the backlog by the end of next year can be achieved by. i doubt it. i doubt that it will happen. however having a deadline for the number of people who to be cleared. how is that going to stop people coming over if indeed having arrived here, having dealt with them quickly, they actually end up staying here , then frankly, up staying here, then frankly, all you're going to be doing is creating more room in hotels and

houday creating more room in hotels and holiday camps for people to make their way over to stay in. yes, either way. but the big one, the really big one is he's been talking to the albanian government for quite some considerable period of time. he says that, number one, officers will be stationed at tirana airport, will what use is that? i mean , how do you, mr. customs i mean, how do you, mr. customs . hello, mr. border force official. i'm thinking of coming to england. well, that's not going to work. and they're coming anyway, most of coming by dinghy anyway, most of them. but says aluminium . them. but he says aluminium. yeah. planes will be taking off with large numbers of albanians across the english channel. do you think that with the human rights act place and the modern slavery act, a 2015 act of theresa may, do you think it's achievable? i'm not sure that as things are, it will be achievable. it all depends what the courts say and the courts are actively considering what's going to happen with regard to the rwanda deal. i think potentially, if it were to work,

it could have some sort of impact and will we wait and see? i'm not sure that in the end the courts will go along with us. let's let's hope they do. if they do, however, it's not just albania is. nigel, you know what on earth are we doing ? providing on earth are we doing? providing refuge for young men with money in their pockets? who coming here for a better life ? that's here for a better life? that's what it's all about . you've got what it's all about. you've got to deal with them quickly . to deal with them quickly. having held onto them , having having held onto them, having held onto them and dealt them quickly. then you've got to act. you've got to remove them . until you've got to remove them. until you do that, i'm afraid they will continue to come . yeah, i will continue to come. yeah, i have to say, i don't think the legislation currently in place any this will work because the judges and lawyers won't it? but let's say stay with me, because folks, we have some breaking news that we've learned over the last i told you a couple last hour. i told you a couple of weeks back about the 39 children are disappeared children that are disappeared from care kent. well this from care in kent. well this story has broken within the last houn

story has broken within the last hour, 70 children have gone missing from hotels in hove in sussex . it's a quite astonishing sussex. it's a quite astonishing number out. i just wanted to get your reaction to that breaking story. well i'm horrified because if it's genuine children , frankly, what on earth are we doing allowing them unattended so that they couldn't abscond or be taken away if they're not children and they're only pretending to be children , we pretending to be children, we should be holding them in a proper area is holding onto them, detaining them and dealing with them quickly as adults, frankly, which is in many cases what they actually are out there .thank what they actually are out there . thank you very much indeed. and one of the things we had noficed and one of the things we had noticed over the last couple of months, for the first time since this small boat crisis began, was a number of mid teenage girls crossing the english channel. i went before the watershed speculate as to where these people are gone. i think you're big enough and ugly enough to work this out for

yourselves. we ought to be absolutely, utterly ashamed of ourselves nation . in ourselves as a nation. in a moment, let's talk about mick lynch, of london lynch, the centre of london today. there's no traffic . today. there's no traffic. there's nobody about there are mass cancellations in pubs and restaurants. mick lynch is very a strong leader of his members, but his public support for the rail strikes beginning to crack all of that in a couple of minutes .

so is ritchie's five point plan going to work some of your thoughts coming in from our viewers and our listeners once says, is he going to clear the backlog by allowing them all to stay without proper scrutiny? that's exactly what i thought . that's exactly what i thought. that's exactly what i thought. that's way of doing it, that's the easy way of doing it, isn't just everyone isn't it? just give everyone permanent leave to clive permanent leave to remain clive , one thing having a plan. another thing implementing that plan . let's wait and see . but

plan. let's wait and see. but i'm not holding my breath on anything sunak says. and look , anything sunak says. and look, you know, as derek says , the big you know, as derek says, the big announcement today was the same old, same old does not offer any practical . and that's why folks practical. and that's why folks , i played you those clips of david and boris johnson saying precisely the same thing. the rishi sunak said today. now, mick lynch is a curious matic leader of the rmt and we have a series of strikes, of course, going on postal workers strikes . the nurse is going out for the first ever national strike due to go out this thursday . i have to go out this thursday. i have to go out this thursday. i have to say, i've got sympathy with the postal workers , many of whom the postal workers, many of whom stand to lose a of money. i have less sympathy for those who are not going to get pay rises in line with inflation, although those on lower money we could see a raising of tax thresholds. perhaps to help, but generally the public have been quite sympathetic to those that want to go on strike because the

pubuc to go on strike because the public too are suffering from the cost of living . mick lynch the cost of living. mick lynch has played the game far. i think . well, he's been a bit of a media star. he's run rings around several interview but this morning something really seemed to change on a series of media networks he was being asked the question well mick lynch are you really mick lynch are you going to spoil christmas for loads of people . here's how for loads of people. here's how he responded to radio four's today programme morning. what's wrong with just saying oh no you changed. not from the average members have sacrificed x numbers of thousands of pounds. you've said they're making a sacrifice. what's wrong with putting a number on it? why do you need that number? because i'm interested. the level of sacrifice. what are you interested in? what? network, rail government are rail and the government are doing working people across doing to working people across this country? impoverished. and what you actually what wrong with you actually putting day and putting it up every day and making two to put in this

question to show, because we're in a cost of living crisis because it's in the run up. well, why don't you pay rise there? why don't pursue this? you your members are making you say your members are making a was a sacrifice now. it was estimated at pounds on estimated at 5000 pounds on average scheme of what's average in the scheme of what's what's amount now? well why what's the amount now? well why are you pursuing an editorial that i could read in the sun , that i could read in the sun, the daily mail or any of the right wing press in this country ? and you're not pursuing the fact that people, millions of them are being impoverished and some them may destitute by. the attitude of this government and by their employers as well, a very ratty mick lynch there. i mean, goodness me, if he's accusing radio force programme of being agents of right wing , i of being agents of right wing, i begin to have three. he's lost the plot , by the way. i've been the plot, by the way. i've been in those situations. you do start to get angry with the interviewer, but you never ever come out as a winner he went on later on to say something very, very stupid. he was off by richard madeley. well, surely what you're doing with these

strikes a damaging pubs, restaurants, small who rely on this next fortnight it has been the most important time this year you're ruining people's christmas, he said. oh, well, far concerned , christmas far as i'm concerned, christmas doesn't till christmas . doesn't start till christmas. i'm not clever now atkinson joins me , assistant editor of joins me, assistant editor of conservativehome and peter edwards is back , former editor edwards is back, former editor of labour list. edwards is back, former editor of labour list . peter, i put it of labour list. peter, i put it to you, the strategy on this has been very simple . it's do been very simple. it's do nothing , don't really have much nothing, don't really have much of a negotiation with any of the unions and hope the public support starts to crack. that's really what the government's been doing, isn't it? i'd sir. yes, but i mean, we also must remember isn't like the remember this isn't like the situation the seventies situation in, say, the seventies when government actually when the government actually owned industries. owned most of these industries. these private these are largely private industries, of industries, aside from, of course, strike and course, the nurses strike and the these pay disputes the nhs. so these pay disputes between , private companies and between, private companies and their employees and mick lynch can demand that rishi cenac comes and spends christmas day with him. he likes, but this is actually something for the companies to deal with. and i think government has

think the government has been very on approach these very clear on its approach these rises unaffordable rises largely are unaffordable both for the private companies and also in the public sector. and the government has a simple priority, get priority, which is to get inflation down we're only inflation down and we're only going inflation down if going to get inflation down if we're agreeing these huge we're not agreeing to these huge pay we're not agreeing to these huge pay rises that they're demanding. big. that a strike demanding. big. is that a strike since discontent, since the winter of discontent, 1789 up last time it was 1789 coming up last time it was a labour government who suffered. i grievously electorally a result of all electorally as a result of all of this. it is a fair point william makes there was a lot of these now private companies these are now private companies . to ask you , the . but i want to ask you, the tory strategy has been just do nothing know, and i hope it nothing. you know, and i hope it all goes away and i hope public support falls . did you feel that support falls. did you feel that today lynch was starting to lose the. well, i do think the government strategy was slightly different. it was to do nothing, but it was also to seek a political benefit from a long, drawn out ideological battle with trade unions. so think by with trade unions. so i think by saying they're doing saying nothing, they're doing more. hoping to more. nothing. they're hoping to win wrongly an win an argument and wrongly an unfair characterisation. so they want these strikes. the government wants these strikes.

i don't think they want these strikes, but i think they can see ideological opportunity see an ideological opportunity to art, to prosecute right wing art, because i would say but because if you i would say but just perhaps the only ideologue here is lynch, mask here is mick lynch, as mask slipping four this slipping on radio four this morning. will it fair? i talk morning. will it be fair? i talk across so i you know, across you, so i think you know, the has talked less the government has talked less about strikes and about resolving strikes and having as they've having negotiation as they've talked more about additional anti trade legislation, anti trade union legislation, which tells me they're trying to reshape country in their own reshape a country in their own image rather than train drivers and passengers , patients and and passengers, patients and doctors. first, in terms of mick lynch i do think the bbc , one of lynch i do think the bbc, one of them. right. did the mask slip this morning no, i don't think it's a mask i think bbc is it's a mask slip. i think bbc is impartial and, you i think impartial and, you know, i think bbc presenters are used both bbc presenters are used to both people the left and from people from the left and from the fights. that the picking fights. isn't that probably bbc is probably the case? the bbc is about right place. but let about the right place. but let let's to public support because i think, you know what's mick lynch wants do well lynch is job he wants do well for members and get a few for his members and get a few more quid in their pocket and he wants to carry a degree public support. so as you acknowledge ,

support. so as you acknowledge, he's been very effective arguing for but think and in for members. but i think and in terms of the ballot results so far he'll still be fairly pleased . and i looked into some pleased. and i looked into some of the stats because. i think rmt members backs mick lynch position by about 66. boris johnson election with for that is not a that is not a straight comparison know that as well as i do in a multi—party. what was interesting i thought was that rmt ballot was an 83% turnout. he got 63% of that. so we're now up to a third of those that are voting in rmt elections, voting against their own leader that . against their own leader that. minority is growing all the time time . you know, where does keir time. you know, where does keir starmer really stand on this? because i can't work it out . because i can't work it out. keir starmer has a political dilemma as any leader of the opposition does. when a strike happens, i actually believe he stands on the side of rail and hospital patients . bear in mind hospital patients. bear in mind with either a labour voters among the rmt that is not

affiliate the labour party. so this is not this is not a labour party backed strike in any way. and remember ed miliband going through one or two uncomfortable interviews ten years ago when a similar happened. but if similar things happened. but if keir symptoms health as keir starmer symptoms health as a patients champion or passenger's champion again tonight illogical driven government. i think the right place to end up an ideologically dnven place to end up an ideologically driven government . maybe, maybe driven government. maybe, maybe not. let's just turn our not. but let's just turn our minds if we can , to the proposed minds if we can, to the proposed nurses strike. the first ever full national nurses strike over doing enough to stop this. well, i don't think it's necessarily a question of trying to stop it. if the nurses hell bent on being unreasonable . the reason why unreasonable. the reason why nurses haven't struck is haven't struck in over a well in 100 days. so in their entirety of the history of this organisation , it's because people traditionally saw nursing as a vocation. why are they being unreasonable? think unreasonable? because i think they want they just want more money. think frankly, money. and i think frankly, everyone wants more money. exactly. but if their profession, it is, profession, as they say it is, is a vocation, then they should be putting the safety of their

patients ahead of everything else. and doing this, they're else. and in doing this, they're only make winter only going to make the winter crisis we're facing, this crisis that we're facing, this nhs in the nhs even worse. and i think the they might point to the that sector the fact that private sector workers seen pay rises of, workers have seen pay rises of, say, four or 5% over the last yeah say, four or 5% over the last year. but most public sector settlements have also been that saved this year. so public sector pay is very rapidly catching up with private sector. may say, peter, what may i say, peter, what what would a deal be for the would a fair deal be for the nurses by? way i think that nurses by? the way i think that point is very unfair. we're not talking about more pay. we're talking about more pay. we're talking bad. hit talking about bad. the hit is going know, viewers going to be, you know, viewers aren't viewers aren't stupid. viewers get there's nurses there's inflation. nurses are merely trying to mitigate that. well, problem their well, the problem is their demand inflation demand is well above inflation because argue they've because they argue they've fallen the course of fallen behind over the course of the few you know, the last few years. you know, claims to 19. just aren't claims of up to 19. just aren't sensible they're sensible of that. well, they're not get it. and, you not going to get it. and, you know, there's right there in negotiations the brink of negotiations now on the brink of christmas. we've had a cost christmas. but we've had a cost of for about 18 of living crisis for about 18 months. trade unions are months. some trade unions are seeking no one is seeking a catch up. no one is going to get 19. no. the curious to me and labour party haven't

backed think labour party backed 90. i think labour party want side to talk each want each side to talk to each other. the curious to me in a pay other. the curious to me in a pay dispute the health secretary turns indicate action turns up to indicate action without offer. well, without a pay offer. well, i tell isn't it tell you what, isn't it interesting, it's fashioned interesting, it's old fashioned party politics. it's conservative labour over conservative versus labour over the trade unions. conservative versus labour over the trade unions . good dismay. the trade unions. good dismay. well, let's see how this plays out. but either way , you know, out. but either way, you know, we are facing the biggest strikes. the countries had in 40 over 40 years at the moment . strikes. the countries had in 40 over 40 years at the moment. i told you yesterday that the marginal price for electricity at one point yesterday was 100 times the average price for electricity in this country. i was pleased to break that story because nobody else was talking about it. in a minute, i'll tell you the damage it did yesterday to the british steel industry .

well, we made it last night on the fact that renewables were

producing very little in the uk yesterday and the marginal pricing of electricity they have got up to 100 times what it's been the most of the last few years. we also about the impact that would have on business, on manufacturing in this country. well joining , me now i think well joining, me now i think this is really really a very, very important story is gareth stace , the director general of stace, the director general of u k steel, and he joins us from dorking. he's not with us . dorking. he's not with us. something to do with train strikes think but gareth please, please, please explain to us from the steel sector's perspective of what that massive in short term electricity prices yesterday did to the very important strategic uk steel industry . important strategic uk steel industry. thank you. yes. and as you said, nigel so yesterday we saw electricity prices go . saw electricity prices go. a massive £1,500, a megawatt hour, which, you know, in our terms when we think about it at home

is when we think about it at home i s £1.50 a kilowatt hour . when is £1.50 a kilowatt hour. when it does that , i mean, even not it does that, i mean, even not even near that , it's impossible even near that, it's impossible for us to make steel in the air. if a steel company yesterday i was on a flexible , you know, was on a flexible, you know, variable standard rate , so to variable standard rate, so to speak, and they made steel yesterday that would have been probably the most expensive steel they've ever made ever. and interestingly, if the price of a tonne of steel at the moment, something like of a tonne of steel at the moment, something lik e £600 a moment, something like £600 a tonne, then the electric tricity tonne, then the electric tricity to make that thomas steel yesterday would have cost £750. so that's the electricity, not scrap , not wages, not everything scrap, not wages, not everything else. so therefore you would not be making steel yesterday ? no, be making steel yesterday? no, absolutely . i be making steel yesterday? no, absolutely. i mean i mean, i've debated before on this show the fact we need anthracite to make steel. and there is a mine in cumbria. but maybe it will open, maybe it won't. but what really interests me, gareth, is in

whole net zero debate that has been going on for many, many years at the heart of british with a huge concern exists in westminster that by building as many wind turbines as we can, we're doing the right thing. then you get a situation like yesterday . why is it that yesterday. why is it that business doesn't seem to have a more influential voice these days ? well, we certainly want to days? well, we certainly want to see changes to the energy markets because as you said, nigel , markets because as you said, nigel, yesterday, wind contributed . something like 3% contributed. something like 3% of total energy, electricity generated . normally it's about generated. normally it's about 30. and then what ? then see is 30. and then what? then see is more access intensive kind of emergency generation coming on stream and the crazy thing about that steel soaring electricity city sector does is what are the most expensive kilowatt hour of electricity generation comes on everything else goes to that huge high price and that's what we saw yesterday. and that will

happen again and again , again happen again and again, again until we see wholesale reform of the electricity generation market where we don't sit , where market where we don't sit, where we see sort of, you know, nuclear coming on stream, much and therefore it isn't always days at the most expensive . we days at the most expensive. we also need to see a lot electricity generation in this country and a massive investment . it's crazy and that pricing structure mad and gary states let me tell you i've got your backit let me tell you i've got your back it industry and i'll be speaking up for regularly on this show and we'd love to see you again and thank you for joining us this evening. you again and thank you for joining us this evening . well, joining us this evening. well, joining us this evening. well, joining me is liam halligan gb news is economics editor. i mean, there we are. there's the director of the boss of uk steel costs director of the boss of uk steel cost s £600 a tonne. you sell it costs £600 a tonne. you sell it for £600 a tonne. yes there's electricity price, it's £700 a tonne to make . and this is tonne to make. and this is happening right across manufacturing. we've seen over the last few years both our both

our uk aluminium smelters closed much of our refined , much of our much of our refined, much of our chemical industry go what is no one talk about this. well a lot of the politicians in that building behind nigel may think that the british steel industry doesn't matter anymore. it employs about 35,000 people directly and many tens of thousands of more support structures for. a generation uk steel makers had to deal with expensive energy far more expensive energy far more expensive than many of their european rivals , let alone the european rivals, let alone the chinese. of course, of dominated steel making for a long time now. and our energy policies have literally pushed our steel industry to breaking point . industry to breaking point. gareth stace has been saying for a long time they know that making a loss on every bit of steel that they make. imagine the stress that that must cause the stress that that must cause the difficulties going . you know the difficulties going. you know , we've got a situation here renewables which we keep being

told by that renewables are cheaper. told by that renewables are cheaper . but told by that renewables are cheaper. but this form told by that renewables are cheaper . but this form energy cheaper. but this form energy but cheep, cheep, cheep because of the subsidies that they got and the renewable providers, because of the way the energy market operates or doesn't operate, it's rigged, frankly the energy market means that energy is priced at what the gas price is for and gas energy. and when you have renewable wars, that means that gas fired power, which still accounts for 40% of our electricity, those sources are then fired up, fired down, up, fired down. it adds to the expense so that in efficiency of renewables because you can't store it the fluctuations of a gas fired power that pushes the price of gas fired electricity that the renewables then benefit from because they then sell their cheaper energy subsidise. of course the gas price, higher price. i mean, this is a it's great for virtue signalling and polishing respective halos but a lot of people are making a lot of money out of this and telling

our politicians how wonderful it is. and the politicians are not doing the research to work out what's actually going on. we go on down route. we lose the rest of our heavy engineering, the rest of our big industry because it's just too expensive to produce in this country. those goods would then get manufactured in other parts of europe or indeed india or china, probably on the lower environmental using environmental standards using coal power. so the net co2 coal fired power. so the net co2 of this globally will not be down, it'll be up, but we'll say we've reduced. i repeat the question. i just asked. so to uk steel you how liam how do we get a stronger voice in the public debate for british business in british manufacturing ? well british manufacturing? well i think what we need to do is we need to use the tragedy , the war need to use the tragedy, the war in ukraine, the energy crisis that we're living through now, the high bills that a lot of people are suffering from, people are suffering from, people watching this programme , people watching this programme, listening to the radio, they're frightened, literally frightened to the heating . we need to

to turn the heating. we need to use this crisis to have a proper , honest debate and force lawmakers to get beyond the simplistic world of good people want renewables. bad people don't want renewables. nigel you're a former energy commodities trader. yeah, you more about this than anyone in the front line of the media? frankly and in politics, you , i, frankly and in politics, you, i, i think both agree that we want to less pollution. we know that renewables have a place we know that solar , wind it all has that solar, wind it all has a place . hydrogen has a place . as place. hydrogen has a place. as we move away gradually from fossil fuels . but we can't do fossil fuels. but we can't do that. moving away from fossil fuels without the solutions, being there to store the renewable , to make it renewable, to make it commercially viable , rather than commercially viable, rather than just putting all the costs . the just putting all the costs. the common working man and woman telling them to lump it and their ignorance if they complain, we've got to keep going on this. stay with me, please. my what ? the please. liam. my what? the farage moment this morning. are

we? weighed with we? you're not weighed down with a believe it. a feather. couldn't believe it. netflix forget harry and netflix no. forget harry and meghan in that film meghan and. my part in that film for the moment. netflix last year had uk revenues of 1.3 billion sterling a profit estimated profit in the uk last year of tw 0 £160 million. guess year of two £160 million. guess how much tax they paid? year of two £160 million. guess how much tax they paid ? £5 how much tax they paid? £5 million. they avoided that 50 million. they avoided that 50 million quids of the tax. legitimate corporate tax in this country. i syphoning the money off through a dutch company. liam here we've got small businesses , ordinary folk about businesses, ordinary folk about thinking about. i was so angry about it. get bashed on the 1st of april with a near 30% increase in business taxes and netflix pay 5 million quid. it's worth just saying those those figures again case people thought they mis heard what you actually said. yes they made they took revenues in the uk of point 4 billion. they made 260 million of profit, not a bad margin. no, on that children 60

million, they paid about 5 million. and in tax, that's just under 2. corporation tax , under 2. corporation tax, whereas the corporation tax rate is of course 90 10% going to 20 about to go up to 25% down. it's very, very difficult to tax these global media giants, not least because so many of our politicians are completely bewitched by the image summarised by them, it does when you when you just said those figures to me, something popped my mind and i want to share it with you because could become quite important. i watched it last week rachel reeves, the shadow chancellor keir starmer do their labour and business thing and they repeated the nofion thing and they repeated the notion that labour to get notion that labour wants to get rid business rates that rid of business rates tax that many small and medium many of those small and medium sized business leaders really don't because it's levied whether any profit whether you made any any profit or not labour think they can get rid of business 30 billion a year by the way a huge amount of by levying more taxes is on

those internet giants particularly the online traders and the online traders like netflix . these companies are netflix. these companies are very, very difficult to tax. they also have an incredible lobbying organisation. a lot of people in politics, advisors and so on. they then go on to work for the tech giants . clever. can for the tech giants. clever. can labour get the tax out of these guys? we've got about allows them to get we've got a strike we've got to try to find a quick thought on this segment a hotel the warley hotel in banbury sacked their staff last week to fill the hotel with afghan orphans age 4 to 17. and here's a picture of those orphans at dinner last night. i made. you really can't believe it, can you?i really can't believe it, can you? i mean, if they are young, orphan , i'm a dutchman, but nice orphan, i'm a dutchman, but nice to see they've got good clean linen tablecloths every . linen tablecloths every. evening. the whole thing is a gigantic mickey take in a moment i'll be joined by sarah elliot

she the chair of republicans overseas i'm going to ask her about the growing conflicts that i see in the republican party. trump the desantis all of that in a couple of minutes. trump the desantis all of that in a couple of minutes . coming in a couple of minutes. coming up on dan wootton tonight harry and meghan putting the royal family's personal safety at risk. x protection officer di davis . so he'll battle the davis. so he'll battle the sussex defenders in the clash. plus us political legacy. robert f kennedy junior launches his drive to bring covid authoritarians to justice. laurence fox takes down woke academics and there's something the opinion from fleet street icon kelvin mackenzie. that's . icon kelvin mackenzie. that's. dan wootton tonight 9 pm. to 11 pm. on .

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wsfime gb news. it's time for talking pints . gb news. it's time for talking pints. i'm joined by sara elliot. now you were the chair of republicans overseas. you're now a spokeswoman i think for the yes and i'm on the board. i'm chair of the hamilton society, which is a political discussion group for republican americans and british conservatives . i just british conservatives. i just love full of americans . it love is full of americans. it i mean there are so many americans not visiting and i guess not just visiting and i guess you strong versus the you the strong dollar versus the pound made a big difference pound has made a big difference on that. loads of americans here you were chair at the time when donald trump had become president was visiting london. you weren't enamoured with trump to begin with, were you initially saying, no, i'm a small government concern , small government concern, whatever he was, you know , a guy whatever he was, you know, a guy from queens, he had taken some pretty liberal positions before he had hillary clinton at his wedding. so i was sceptical. you know, he was an outsider. right. i wasn't sure if he'd actually be a conservative, but he converted me pretty quickly with his conservative message and agenda. his supreme court picks,

his tax cuts, which just boomed the us economy. i mean , this the us economy. i mean, this time three years ago, we had 3% gdp. i mean, wage growth. it was great. february i remember in february 2020, i met him on the 29th of february, that leap day. and i thought for all world he in 40 states maybe came along it didn't happen when he came to london . that first visit to london. that first visit to london. that first visit to london and you were in a position of some responsibility. i mean , the street reactions i mean, the street reactions were just hysterical . oh, yes. were just hysterical. oh, yes. i mean, i was dodging through there was 100,000 person march down central london to have our own rally , by the way, to own rally, by the way, to support . and i was doing a lot support. and i was doing a lot of media at the time and it was just obscene and it was obscene because we are the uk, his greatest ally . i mean, at least greatest ally. i mean, at least militarily and we oh come on.

culturally and culturally mean we have given us all your rubbish food and tv actor wars and all of that. yes that five guysis and all of that. yes that five guys is good. nine. so come on. but yeah, i mean it was, i don't know, i felt he should have been treated with greater respect especially from the mayor of london . the queen was perfect london. the queen was perfect and she showed him diplomatic. he just love. oh he rang me that day after the party at buckingham palace. he rang me a couple of hours after that. and he was i mean, it was like an excited schoolkid. yeah. and i thought the two most famous people of the world got together and had tea at buckingham palace, though it was extraordinary . but what happens extraordinary. but what happens now, sarah? because you know, for all world we've got a very weak american president. forget the policies. but just as a leader , got a very weak american leader, got a very weak american president, we've got law and order now back as a massive issue in american cities. ip

deaths miles over a thousand a yeah deaths miles over a thousand a year. i mean, there are huge problems in america and yet the republicans can't win any national elections. well i mean, it was . yes, but i think it's it was. yes, but i think it's coming. i think the time is brewing . right. so we did win brewing. right. so we did win the popular vote in the midterms. we it by three points. we did win the house. we didn't win it by as much as we expected to. we lost some key senate seats and, you know, i know mr. trump is friend, but i have to say that , his endorsements of say that, his endorsements of these candidates are really , i these candidates are really, i think, made a difference for us in bad way . you know, there are in bad way. you know, there are nine house seats. the where republicans split where they would vote for a republican would vote for a republican would vote for a republican would vote here but they would vote the democrats. yeah yeah they'd vote in georgia for a republican governor, but not for the senate candidate. correct. we did see that a big moment. and we could have had nine more house seats had republicans not

done that , we probably would done that, we probably would have is so what have had hurt. what is so what is mistake as you see is trump's mistake as you see it? yeah is it too much talk of the stolen election? is it a perception that his time has come and what do you think it is? i mean, i think it's primarily his after the 2020 election. and i think he harped on about the election being stolen . but he wasn't able to stolen. but he wasn't able to prove it . and now that's a big prove it. and now that's a big deal prove it. and now that's a big deal. that's big deal for republicans, even if have questions about it, because the inner cities are completely dominated by democrats and it's a one party rule system , you a one party rule system, you still have to prove it. of course, january 6th, you know , course, january 6th, you know, for me, i thought he had dereliction of duty during the riot . i thought he should have riot. i thought he should have been a more robust leader to stop the madness that was taking place . but, you know, i was place. but, you know, i was really interested in his interview with you because that was kind of his first entree way back into the public sphere and

he just was living in the past in that whole interview with you . and i just thought, no , we . and i just thought, no, we have to look for you know, he's a great friend of mine . i've had a great friend of mine. i've had great fun with him. i like him very much, i think he's got terrific courage. yeah to stand up against the global media established . but i think he's established. but i think he's woken the world to china and many other things. i, i the constant talk , the stolen constant talk, the stolen election. yeah, i think the republicans need to become the party of electoral reform. i think if you go on with 50% early voting, you may never win . i think people should vote the day with the same information. so you back mean would you so would you back mean would you now sanders over? trump now back to sanders over? trump yes, would thought now that yes, you would thought now that you're . i explain yeah do you're. can i explain yeah do because he won a swing state by 20 points yeah we need to win important we're not winning with trump at the moment and that's that's all politics is about winning and so we need to have a diverse coalition of independents democrats , independents democrats, hispanics, women , the whole

hispanics, women, the whole crew. and we are making with minorities . republican party did minorities. republican party did very well with hispanics and actually we're increase in their rate among blacks. that's true . rate among blacks. that's true. and trump started that. yes and i think that's also what he doesn't get credit for is this foreign policy and his foreign policy , you know, he lectured policy, you know, he lectured germany about, oh, he was right . he was totally right. nato yeah, no, sir. you make those points very , very well. but points very, very well. but you're not going back to the states and you're married to a very active leave campaigner. you've got a child doing this is your home now. yeah, know your home now. yeah, yeah know i have.i your home now. yeah, yeah know i have. i i've fallen in love with the motherland . you, you know the motherland. you, you know gave birth to my country . well gave birth to my country. well and i knew it well. we're never going to get rid of you that we know. i hope not. i hope you don't take. i think i mean , it's don't take. i think i mean, it's like you . okay, barrage

like you. okay, barrage the barrage. i've kept sarah here because she's clever and she's quick and she's sharp. julie asks, has anyone ever given a roadmap about how we get to net zero? how it look? what's the plan? no just dream and think it's going to be wonderful. but in america, this debate is raging as well. isn't it because the big green new deal that is being put forward , you know, by being put forward, you know, by the biden administration, massive investment in renewables going on in america to. yes, similar debate to hear very similar debate to hear very similar but we don't have people glueing themselves to the highways or throwing paint on paintings and things but yes but similar debate but there's more support. i say, for the supply side, for going back and fracking and open keystone pipeline. well, that's very much what i'd like to see here, rob asks. so so easy. these questions can ukraine retake crimea and, all the rest of the territory back from russia. i'm going to say no and i think a lot of what you've seen in the

media over the course of the last couple of months is frankly been, you know , huge ukrainian been, you know, huge ukrainian victories because the russians have left curzon and gone back behind. the deeper. have left curzon and gone back behind. the deeper . well, that's behind. the deeper. well, that's not necessarily a victory. you know, the germans went back to the hindenburg line in 1917 and look how tough it was to break that. any thoughts on this one? it's hard, isn't it? it's a tough one. i mean, ijust it's hard, isn't it? it's a tough one. i mean, i just think we're in trench warfare for a really long and i doubt can really long time and i doubt can make those kind of big inroads. yeah. final question, how is it costing me up costing me to light up westminster behind you ? well, i westminster behind you? well, i tell you what, it may be called stigma taxpayer, a fortune for those watching on television. but it looks magnificent . and i but it looks magnificent. and i think we can safely that our members parliament behind us in that building are working hard and diligently and putting the interests of the country and their constituents anything else or alien to strangers. but i just don't know. final quick

thought, 10 seconds from you. reputation. the politicians in britain and america and. a bad place. the sewer . i think that place. the sewer. i think that they we should revalue who we put in the government. we need to hold them to account. yeah, yeah , we need different people. yeah, we need different people. i couldn't agree. more. fewer oxbridge people is, in my view . oxbridge people is, in my view. i'm not going to hand you over to patrick christys who'll take over ? hello, nigel . mark over? hello, nigel. mark impersonating patrick christie's a brilliant show. nigel i luckily wasn't clever to go to oxford or cambridge do ppe, but there'll be plenty of university of the real content in tonight's show . rishi sunak plans to show. rishi sunak plans to tackle illegal immigration . he's tackle illegal immigration. he's outlined his plan will it work? i'll get reaction from a top tory mp that thinks we to get tough on illegal into the country. also a local authority in london rationing hot water. this just the beginning, folks. and a corruption scandal in the

eu. what surprise. plus, my big opinion, britain , a kick up the opinion, britain, a kick up the backside. see you in two. good evening, alex deakin here with your latest weather update. turning once more out there and a large d clear skies could be icy almost anywhere. but particularly we've got snow showers over scotland and there is weather in to the is some weather coming in to the southwest of this of low southwest of this area of low pressure , some mild air mixed in pressure, some mild air mixed in with that , but it's never quite with that, but it's never quite reaching as we are staying blue, we're staying cold, cold front bringing more snow showers across northern scotland. so a further few centimetres possible here . a few wintry showers here. a few wintry showers scattered across the eastern england northern ireland england and for northern ireland could things this could turn things icy. and this wet weather into, the wet weather coming into, the southwest have some southwest that will have some snow mixed well. you may snow mixed in as well. you may wake up to a covering in places across of southwest across parts of southwest england could be here , england and could be icy here, too, as temperatures drop below freezing below again across scotland northern england scotland and northern england where there's any snow lying on ground, could get to —12 ground, we could get down to —12 or —30. so a frosty, icy start for some tomorrow , but for most

for some tomorrow, but for most it's another bright fine, crisp winter's day, probably a sunny a day in recent days, some wet weather close to the south coast, perhaps affecting the channels and more sleet and snow showers into eastern showers coming into eastern england. showers continuing england. snow showers continuing over scotland . again, over northern scotland. again, it's going to be cold just about struggling for struggling above freezing for most , but very cold in most places, but very cold in the wind across the north. and a brisk breeze picking along brisk breeze picking up along the as well . more the south coast as well. more the south coast as well. more the snow showers coming in dunng the snow showers coming in during wednesday nights across northern and parts of northern scotland and parts of northern ireland. so again , it northern ireland. so again, it could on thursday could be icy on thursday morning. still have warnings in place until friday. actually and then it's just another bright, crisp winter's day for the majority on thursday of sunshine. eventually lifting the temperatures just about freezing. but again, potentially quite icy with these snow showers coming into eastern england. northern scotland and parts of northern ireland still well below average and temperatures dropping quickly again the evening. so a frosty start to friday, but signs of a

change as things turn wetter on sunday. a windier but, also milder .

it's mark dolan tonight and for the brilliant mark steyn tonight, tomorrow and thursday , tonight, tomorrow and thursday, a busy show. in my big opinion monologue. schools and businesses closed because of a bit of snow . everyone and their bit of snow. everyone and their granny on strike and customer service has gone back 20 years. britain isn't working. more on that in a moment. households in north london borough of islington will have that access to heating and hot water restricted in a bid to save cash . this the start of energy rationing. a common sense

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