channel good afternoon, everybody. you're with me patrick christys gb news for migrant dying in the channel. a massive search operation is underway . but operation is underway. but surely now more than ever, we need to these small boats coming across . but how.7 has to be across. but how.7 has to be a potent combination of deterrent and smashing these vile human gangs throughout the course this show i'll be taking a close look at all options available . don't at all options available. don't get ill tomorrow people the nurses will all be going on strike apparently chief nurses across the uk say they feel let

down by the royal college of nursing strikes. union leaders fly refuse to make sure that cancer operations ahead is pubuc cancer operations ahead is public opinion turning against the nurses union should sue not meet them to help stop these strikes . we also have some good strikes. we also have some good news about the economy. shocking change in the definition of what a woman. and yet another netflix trailer from harry and meghan. but make sure get in gb but make sure get in touch. gb news on gb news dot uk on the two main topics and all the different angles on them that we're going to be tackling today different angles on them that v\sad going to be tackling today different angles on them that v\sad migrant be tackling today different angles on them that v\sad migrant deathskling today different angles on them that v\sad migrant deaths inng today different angles on them that v\sad migrant deaths in the oday . sad migrant deaths in the channel of course the nurses channel and of course the nurses strike i solutions, not strike. i want solutions, not questions . how do we stop these questions. how do we stop these small boats.7 what needs to be done stop more tragic done to stop yet more tragic loss life. and how do we stop loss of life. and how do we stop these strikes as gbp is a these nurses strikes as gbp is a gbnews.uk but before that if your latest headlines . good your latest headlines. good afternoon . 3:01. i'm radisson in afternoon. 3:01. i'm radisson in the gb newsroom the i'm secretary says today's migrant tragedy shows how important

since it is to break up criminal gangs and stop channel crossings .four gangs and stop channel crossings . four people have now died and 43 others were rescued after a small boat capsized in the channel. the incident less than 24 hours after the prime minister announced renewed plans to tackle illegal migration. suella braverman says new to deter crossings will save lives. these are the days that we dread crossing the channel in unseaworthy is a lethal, dangerous endeavour. it's it is for this reason. above all, that we are working so hard to destroy the business model of the people smugglers , evil the people smugglers, evil organised criminals to treat human beings , cargo . the prime human beings, cargo. the prime minister has asked the lawyer investigating allegations against dominic raab to consider five new formal complaints . the five new formal complaints. the deputy prime minister is now facing allegations all relating

to his time at the ministry of justice. mr. raab has previously denied the claims. labour is calling for his suspension while the investigation underway . the investigation underway. downing street is urging the college of nursing and ambulance workers unions to protect protect patient safety during tomorrow's historic nhs strikes . it comes after the prime minister defended the government's support for nurses at pmqs whose nursing staff were walk in england, wales and, northern ireland on thursday. unless a deal can be agreed. mr. sunak says the government has tried to give them the support they need last year when everyone in the public sector had a public pay freeze, the nurses received a 3% pay rise . nurses received a 3% pay rise. when the rcn asked for more in—work training. we gave every nurse and midwife a £1,000 training budget and when they asked for nurses, bursaries . we asked for nurses, bursaries. we made sure that every nursing student received a £5,000 grant. that's because do work constructively and will continue

to back our nurses . well, labour to back our nurses. well, labour leader sir keir starmer says the concern lives can't cope with the current of industrial action . after 12 years of tory failure . winter has arrived for our pubuc . winter has arrived for our public services and we've got a prime minister who has curled up in a ball and gone into hibernation. if he contacts on behalf of pacer irons or nurses or everyone who wants these strikes called off, then surely the whole country's in time to ask what is the point of him.7 and ask what is the point of him? and what is that point the government is supposed to be leading around half of britain's lines are closed today , rmt lines are closed today, rmt members staged their second day of strikes across the country . of strikes across the country. thousands of workers at network rail . 14 train thousands of workers at network rail. 14 train companies have walked , leaving some parts of walked, leaving some parts of the country with no train service at all. it's part of a long running dispute. pay jobs and conditions. it comes after the rmt rejected offer of a 5%

pay the rmt rejected offer of a 5% pay rise this year with 4% next year. pay rise this year with 4% next year . six pay rise this year with 4% next year. six chinese pay rise this year with 4% next year . six chinese officials , year. six chinese officials, including the consul general, have been removed from the uk over incident involving a hong pro—democracy protester . bob pro—democracy protester. bob chan was demonstrating the grounds of the consulate in manchester when he was attacked in october . manchester when he was attacked in october. foreign manchester when he was attacked in october . foreign secretary in october. foreign secretary james cleverly says the government has made it clear that china must take action against the diplomats. i greater manchester police investigation as part of the investigation requested that six chinese officials waive diplomatic immunity so they could be questioned. we informed the chinese embassy of that and we set a deadline which expired making it clear that we expected them to action . inflation has them to action. inflation has fallen to 10.7, down from 11.1% in october. the chancellor jeremy hunt says getting inflation is his top priority .

inflation is his top priority. plans are in place to reduce it by half. despite the fall, labour says the figure is still too high and the weakness of the economy . shadow chancellor economy. shadow chancellor rachel reeves says . high rachel reeves says. high inflation is still worrying . inflation is still worrying. working people . and we'll bring working people. and we'll bring you that in just a moment. with inflation still in double digits , it's obviously very concerning families just in the lead up to christmas, which is supposed to be a special for families. i know that mums and dads are going to be worrying how they're going to be worrying how they're going to be worrying how they're going to heat their homes , going to heat their homes, whether afford the whether they can afford the christmas presents , the christmas presents, the christmas presents, the christmas that had christmas dinner that they had hoped families . now hoped for their families. now the chancellor will say this is all about global issues, but truth is, the uk is uniquely exposed whether . it's on exposed whether. it's on inflation or economic growth . inflation or economic growth. and a man who murdered a law graduate refused to leave his cell for sentencing this morning the court has been told that jordan mcsweeney, who admitted killing zara aleena in east london , doesn't want to watch

london, doesn't want to watch video evidence of his actions. he was caught on cctv, following at least other women for attacking the 35 year old as she walked home from night out in ilford. he's due to be sentenced shortly. this is gb news. we'll bnng shortly. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now, let's get straight back to patrick . patrick. patrick welcome back, everybody. stock straight into our big story across the show today. and that is things currently stand for people sadly died and 43 have been rescued after a small boat capsized in the english channel. the royal navy , french navy, the the royal navy, french navy, the coast guard and lifeboat have all been involved in that rescue operation off the kent coast , operation off the kent coast, home secretary suella braverman told the house commons of a profound sadness , a hearing of profound sadness, a hearing of the incident and emphasised the need to push forward with

proposed legislation to stop people exploiting the route across channel. but the incident comes less than 4 hours after prime minister rishi sunak announced renewed plans to tackle illegal migration, insisting we have to stop these small boats . and he's not really small boats. and he's not really . the timing of this could not be more awful and too just you to a couple of the things that she said that obviously bear significant into what's been going on today the migrant crossings so far. going on today the migrant crossings so far . this year crossings so far. this year 44,685. those are the channel that that is so far in 2022. it is recording numbers it seemed for a while didn't set like pretty much every single week we were dealing with numbers. those figures are as of the 12th of december. this includes 1088 small boats, many between 30 and 50 people. this is in comparison. small boats, many between 30 and 50 people. this is in comparison . to 50 people. this is in comparison. to crossings in 2021. so a massive

upturn . we can all see that 8466 upturn. we can all see that 8466 in 2020, which seems like a heck of a long time ago , doesn't it? of a long time ago, doesn't it? for his part said it as he sounded that one of the ways that he wants to combat this is to have more patrols in the channel that's been called a task force. exactly long it will take to get that into action remains to seen we already know that given rather of that we've given rather a of money the french and we'll money to the french and we'll have border have british border staff stationed commands stationed at french commands as well, watching proceedings unfold. we're going to have border staff at an airport border force staff at an airport in albania monitor the situation there . he also said, of course, there. he also said, of course, as well that he wants to clear this asylum backlog by the end of next year. so pretty by this time next year. how attainable is that serious scepticism there? but he's up now. he doesn't say it yet again for very tragic reasons. just fill you in that the number currently stands at four deaths in the channel several different offshoots we're going to be talking about throughout the course of this show and the really your help to discuss

really want your help to discuss as well. vaiews@gbnews.uk massive yet massive questions raised yet again whether or we again as to whether or not we should of the asia . should be pulling of the asia. would that it easier to add would that make it easier to add the deterrent element our the deterrent element to our pronged approach ? what's pronged approach? what's going on channel pronged approach? what's going on channel, i.e. but also on in the channel, i.e. but also what can be , what more can be what can be, what more can be done to tackle these depraved, vile human trafficking gangs? and frankly, as to stop the supply of the small boats if just if we can stop the small boats even reaching calais, presumably that would help to reduce the numbers as. presumably that would help to reduce the numbers as . well, the reduce the numbers as. well, the emails already coming in on this. let's them coming gbviews@gbnews.uk . but let's get gbviews@gbnews.uk. but let's get the very latest from our the very latest now from our home and security. and to mark one who stationed in dover for us. what is the very that us. mark, what is the very that well, that air and sea rescue is still under way searching for any signs of anyone else who may still be in the water. but we've only got an hour maximum of light left here. and one i like goes, i think we're probably

looking at that search rescue operation being very scaled back , if not called off altogether , , if not called off altogether, because, quite frankly, anyone that's been in the water for this length of time is not going to be surviving any more than about hour in the water. and really in great difficulty. so we know that for people sadly died as a result of that boat getting difficulties around about 3 am. this morning. 43 others who were rescued, 30 of them were in the water . now a them were in the water. now a local fishing boat was not too far away at the time and managed to get a number people on board the boat, then, of course , the the boat, then, of course, the lifeboats got out there and border force vessels as well, as well as the royal navy and french assets. but course, they took longer to get there. they were coming from farther afield by the time they get scrambled

and get out there . you're and get out there. you're talking about a considerable time that some of these will have been in the water and know that the main trauma centre in ashford was put on stand to receive some of who were taken ashore here and transferred onto waiting island ambulances as well as that the air ambulance was here . coast guard was here. coast guard helicopters all involved in shuttling some of those to local area hospitals . at this stage area hospitals. at this stage the fatality rate is four, but there is, of course, always a possibility that that could rise further . possibility that that could rise further. yeah, possibility that that could rise further . yeah, absolutely. possibility that that could rise further. yeah, absolutely. and it was prime minister's questions today . now it was prime minister's questions today. now keir starmer decided to in mostly anyway on strikes but then suella braverman gave her statements on the latest as he stood a couple of hours you fill us in on not now the conversation as much of tragedy as this is people are still coming to terms with the does also put into sharp focus

exactly how people are being brought across the channel. and one area i would like to ask you to comment on really the boats now there is a diagram, a few diagram of these kind of boats flowing around the state at the moment. there are around seven metres long, for example, compared to a container ship with metres, which with around 366 metres, which i think puts it into sharp perspective. but a lot of are seriously how on seriously questioning how on earth are so many of these boats readily available market. is it really such a difficult job to try to stop the supply of these boats ? well, it seems to be , boats? well, it seems to be, yes, they do have some successes . authorities in europe, the national crime agency here in the uk. so from time , time you the uk. so from time, time you hear about a major operation to a people smuggling ring that often results the seizure of number of assets, including boats , outboard motors, lifting boats, outboard motors, lifting jackets. and i like the fact is the people smugglers have become

much more sophisticated this is a multi—million pound endeavour on any given day . they're on any given day. they're charging at least on any given day. they're charging at least £3,000 a head. when you're then filling a boat with up 50 people on board boat, you're sending half dozen or more boats across in good weather . can see more boats across in good weather. can see just more boats across in good weather . can see just how weather. can see just how lucrative , lucrative it is . and lucrative, lucrative it is. and when this operation started three years ago, patrick, in 2018, so four years ago now , it 2018, so four years ago now, it was a trickle to begin with. and they were using very small boats, dinghies really , that had boats, dinghies really, that had no more than half a dozen people on board . but over the course of on board. but over the course of year or two, the vessels got slowly, but surely bigger as the people smugglers managed to get chains to people willing to supply them. these vessels now what we have are much, much larger vessels . you say seven

larger vessels. you say seven metres or more long that can carry up to 40, 50 people. i wouldn't say easily. they are crammed on these vessels now. these are made order in china and then there are sent from china to turkey from turkey, their transport sorted by road by criminal gangs to germany to other european countries where they are then stored in warehouses lock up. so the criminal gangs have and when needed they are sent of course to the beaches of normandy where they're assembled and they're hidden in the dunes and then they're sent to down beaches to meet that journey across the channel as . i meet that journey across the channel as. i say meet that journey across the channel as . i say they're much channel as. i say they're much more sophisticated now, patrick, than they were . they've got good than they were. they've got good supply change chains, but every now and again, those supply get interrupted. and just one final point or not that was brought

home to us actually about a week ago . i did a little bit of ago. i did a little bit of reporting the fact that the people on two or three of the vessels were instead of using lifejackets , resorting back to a lifejackets, resorting back to a tactic they use very early on in the small boats crisis of inner tube tyre inner tubes, which are of course not ideal at all. and it's very difficult to hold on to that very cold waters . but to that very cold waters. but that clearly was as a result of the supply chain properly interrupted by law enforcement . interrupted by law enforcement. well, just very, very quickly and finally i'm shortly going to be going to conservative to discuss the political elements, all of this in light of , the all of this in light of, the things that rishi sunak had to say yesterday about his new plan. i'm also going to be talking to a military expert to talking to a military expert to talk about maybe the ways we can deploy our military strikes, a crack the actual human crack down on the actual human trafficking themselves. crack down on the actual human trafficii ng themselves. crack down on the actual human trafficii know themselves. crack down on the actual human trafficii know you'reemselves. crack down on the actual human trafficii know you're very.ves. crack down on the actual human trafficii know you're very plugged mark, i know you're very plugged in side of the in both on this side of the

channel on the other side. channel and on the other side. the channel do you expect to see any pausing whatsoever boats any pausing whatsoever in boats coming as a results this coming across as a results this will waiting at calais to will people waiting at calais to get on boats even be aware of this maybe i'm sure there probably are aware we're all interconnected now and of course the migrants are interconnected as well they have their mobile phones, although they're instructed to throw them in the dnnk instructed to throw them in the drink when they're halfway across the channel because they are not supposed to have anything they can identify for them, for authorities to make it more difficult, them, for authorities to make it more difficult , to get a handle more difficult, to get a handle on where they're from and perhaps likely that they'll eventually granted leave to remain in this country. so they'll probably know about what's but you're right, it's not going to be a deterrent at it really is an individual choice. tragedies are a tragedy . but, you know, they are taking a risk , taken a risk in crossing a risk, taken a risk in crossing the mediterranean to get europe to come through all the countries that they have done to

, get up to normandy. they're willing of to take that final risk . the channel and it might risk. the channel and it might mean, you know, for some it ends in tragedy . we saw a tragedy 13 in tragedy. we saw a tragedy 13 months ago. 27 people died. it did nothing , nothing at all to did nothing, nothing at all to deter it . in fact, the number deter it. in fact, the number crossing this year is almost double what it was last year. matt white, you very much. i'm just curious as to who will be keeping abreast of that ongoing un breaking situation taking place channel sadly, four place in the channel sadly, four people have died. 40 people so far have died. 40 others rescued. i can go now to conservative mp for natalie elphicke. natalie, i really appreciate taking the time for us. i'm standing out there in what appears to be a subzero temperatures in westminster only knows must be like knows what it must be like currently we currently in. the channel we heard from white that our heard from mark white that our insecure was editor said insecure was the editor who said that the sudden deaths of people will act as a deterrent for will not act as a deterrent for those waiting calais to those still waiting calais to come across channel act come across the channel will act as deterrent. one would as a deterrent. one would imagine the actual threat imagine is the actual threat of deportation and very real action when it comes to deportation. do

you believe that rishi soon got his plan. that was announced yesterday will result in more deportation ? or do you think deportation? or do you think it's just more hot air? well, first, let me say how my thoughts and prayers are with all of those affected by tragedy and the people who died and the people who are still in hospital and also put on record. my thanks to the amazing response from the first responders, from my constituency in dover and in relation to the announcement from the prime minister yesterday. i think what we saw is him taking that personal responsibility for tackling this issue . and he set out a number issue. and he set out a number of things in relation to deportations in particular that you mentioned. clearly, they deal was the big news the high number of people from albania who have been coming in recent months. but i spoke to the prime minister and the home secretary yesterday. i've said it again in parliament today i think key to stopping the small boats is sure that those boats don't need

france and that there is a joint security patrol across the channel between our two countries that would bring an end to the small crossings. and that's why the prime minister needs meet with with president macron soonest . yeah, i think a macron soonest. yeah, i think a lot of people are very, very frustrated by. the fact that at least the optics of it, we seem to be giving a lot of money to the french, not getting a lot back in return, but you see said something yesterday that i thought come to live die thought may come to live or die by actually the desire to by actually is the desire to clear the asylum backlog clear the asylum seeker backlog by time next year. by speaking this time next year. that stands between 90 that backlog stands between 90 and 110,000. the figures that i can gather, if he doesn't manage to do that, does he have to go well ? i to do that, does he have to go well? i think, you to do that, does he have to go well ? i think, you know, what well? i think, you know, what we've seen are these numbers of people coming over increase and, increase and increase and that's put massive pressure on local services and in kent and in dover on housing on a whole range of local services. it's put pressure on the home office as well . but i put pressure on the home office

as well. but i was put pressure on the home office as well . but i was really as well. but i was really shocked to hear that at the moment some home caseworkers are clear in cases of the rate of one a week, which is clearly not the way to clear a backlog . so the way to clear a backlog. so i think he's absolutely right. so that more needs to be . but the that more needs to be. but the bottom line is we've known for a long that once you get here, your are that you'll stay here and that's what we need to change. that's why new laws that he announced are going to be important through important as they come through in the new year. but in the meantime in my constituency, we can't after day . i'm can't wait day after day. i'm worrying my constituents and i even do worrying my communities worrying get more calls like the one i had in the early hours of the morning saying that we're bringing bodies into. dover yeah, as we yeah, indeed. now as long as we have geography which we have the geography which we always of the channel, we always will of the channel, we are realistically only are realistically the only country that will be dealing with migrant in the water, unfortunately looks like it's not going to stop until. unfortunately looks like it's not going to stop until . the not going to stop until. the boats stop. and the one way that maybe this migrant crisis can properly sorted once and for properly be sorted once and for all we cut the head of the all is if we cut the head of the snake it comes to these

snake when, it comes to these human trafficking gangs. we hearing, that we have hearing, don't we, that we have the forces in the the best special forces in the world, we're best world, that we're the best trained the world. what do you support leading way support britain leading way when it these human it comes to tackling these human gangs all boys and cut gangs and get all boys and cut the head that ? well i've long the head of that? well i've long said that we need to have british officers working in france on the beaches as well as the intelligence centres and in all of the different places, all security areas that are involved with this issue. but the bottom is this is organised criminality . we've just heard that, you know, people are able to describe step by step what is happening. well, if they can describe step by step what's happening so well, as happening and do so well, as your correspondent did, then actually why can't this be tackled and stops that is tackled and stops and that is the straightforward thing that we to really concentrate on tackling the gangs operating in northern france and making sure those boats get the water those boats don't get the water in the first place is not the humanitarian thing to do now to actually stop these boats . i've

actually stop these boats. i've said for a long time they are absolutely moral . responsible absolutely moral. responsible thing to do is to stop the boats. people are put at risk in these conditions, in these incredibly treacherous conditions in the winter. incredibly treacherous conditions in the winter . but conditions in the winter. but actually the channel is dangerous every day of the year. these are completely unseaworthy and should be stopping them. and stopping them in their waters instead shepherding them over the meridian . because what the meridian. because what i understand happened in the early hours of this morning is that this second tragedy that we've had was again around that really deep zone of the meridian line. that's why we need this channel joins security zone to really stop this once and for all. and lives. well i think we all would like the french to maybe step and do a little bit more when it comes to of that. but just something that might be a bit unpalatable conservative unpalatable for the conservative party, something is party, but something that is necessary as people are necessary as long as people are able say. well, there are no able to say. well, there are no real proper, easy, safe and legal apply for asylum. legal routes apply for asylum. then people do have to start

making journeys. if they so wish, like the ones across channel that can result in deaths . is channel that can result in deaths. is this one of the conservative parties? is to have to their nose bed that to hold their nose in bed that they're have to their they're going have to tell their voters, have to voters, they're going to have to tell public, they're going tell the public, they're going to the tory to have to tell the tory members. we are setting up more and legal routes so that we can stop coming across the stop people coming across the channel where have safe and channel where we have safe and legal routes. indeed, you know, as the prime minister yesterday, more visas have more humanitarian visas have been issued than since second world war. we've had 450,000. and humanity visas issued in to work visas and student visas and on there are plenty of legal and safe ways to apply to come to the uk and what we need to be making sure the message is out across the globe don't take these dangerous routes don't put your hands your lives in the hands of these criminal gangs. keep safe, apply the legal way and actually hundreds , thousands and actually hundreds, thousands of people do and they come to britain in the right this is illegal organise criminality and

we must make sure it's brought to an end just very i thought it was interesting that rishi sunak made the statement yesterday and not the home secretary suella braverman was just left to clean up the mess as occurred suddenly overnight and to deal with the tragedy . there's a little bit of tragedy. there's a little bit of a power struggle going on that he take of he wants to take ownership of this so that he can take credit for it if it works and not her. well, think this is a major well, i think this is a major challenge facing the country that the prime minister should be responsibility it be taking responsibility for it as at the end of the day, the as he at the end of the day, the solution i think the key to solving lies with him and him having summit with president macron and a new and fresh approach . i met with the prime approach. i met with the prime minister and with the home secretary together. i think they're very both determined on this. want to see for my this. but i want to see for my area of dover and deal an end to this i want to make sure this and i want to make sure that lives at sea that we're saving lives at sea not phone calls like not having phone calls like today we're bringing today where we're bringing bodies from say thank bodies in from sea now say thank you very much do appreciate your time our very conservative time notes our very conservative

mp right you with me mp for dover right you with me patrick christys. coming up , patrick christys. coming up, china has removed six officials from including one of from britain, including one of its senior uk has two its most senior uk has two months violent at its months after violent at its consulate of the latest on all of that and of course the nurses strikes as well should british scene not meet with them to try to stop them? what's your take? vaiews@gbnews.uk guy .

welcome back, everybody. patrick christys here on gb news. now for the remainder of this hour andindeed for the remainder of this hour and indeed throughout the course of the we bring you up to date on the latest tragedy, the second place in the channel, also the latest on the nursing strike says a of the uk's top nursing are desperately nursing chiefs are desperately urging the royal college nursing to its action to withdraw its strike action because they say the patients be

badly affected. lots of views coming that coming in on that gbviews@gbnews.uk , kate. i gbviews@gbnews.uk, kate. i promise i will get views on promise i will get your views on that because i've been that shortly because i've been asking to those asking for to both of those issues, the channel crisis and the strike and lots of the nurses strike and lots of you some rather you come up with some rather good ones. so go those good ones. so we'll go to those shortly before that, china has removed six officials from britain who are for britain who are wanted for police questioning. that is in relation to the assault of a protester outside the nation's consulate manchester greater consulate in manchester greater manchester police wanted to interview consul general zhang jun and five of his staff over the attack in. october the foreign secretary, james has said that he is disappointed that the individuals will not face justice over the attack and. let's outline the events which have led to this point it's manchester police initiated investigation as part of our investigation as part of our investigation requested that six chinese officials waive diplomatic immunity so they could be questioned. we informed the chinese embassy of that we set a deadline which expired

today making it clear that we expected them to take action while gb news political reporter catherine force is with me in the studio. no you have the latest on these developments . latest on these developments. yes. so bob chen was a hong kong pro—democracy protester and he was badly in the ground of the chinese consul building in manchester back in the, police requested to into the consul general and five others. the government set a deadline of today for a decision on that whether they would waive diplomatic but they haven't done so not surprisingly really they don't have to because they're diplomats are normal rules do not apply to them . but what has not apply to them. but what has happenedis not apply to them. but what has happened is those diplomats have now left the uk and gone back to china or there's one or two of them that are still to travel back. and it has been made clear

that their diplomatic careers in the uk are well and truly over , the uk are well and truly over, will not be coming back. their careers are finished here if not elsewhere. okay. all right . it's elsewhere. okay. all right. it's quite an interesting geopolitical potentially and one that no doubt the chinese government will not react particularly well to. yeah. so there's a mixed response there's been a mixed response from conservative well. from conservative mp as well. and duncan smith, who's obviously a real china hawk. yeah has said that they should have been kicked out ago. at least the can . so he's chairman least the can. so he's chairman of a chap of the foreign affairs select committee have said they've fled like cowards but of course it is difficult because we are incredibly integrated with china. they've loaned us vast amounts of money there embedded in our infrastructure in all companies. so clearly the government are taking a tougher line with china . yeah, but still line with china. yeah, but still have to tread a little bit carefully. well exactly. look, thank you very, very much covering captain force. that was the latest developments when it comes to a variety of different

chinese diplomats anyway you all mean patrick christys on gb news postings join the strike today. communication workers walking on the same day as all rail staff. rail workers . the union are set rail workers. the union are set to walk out to get friday saturday and over christmas. oh yeah. and that new year as well . going to be speaking to the independent travel listed simon for the latest. i am also going to be discussing the latest development when it comes to the nurses strike well should nurses strike as well should soon meet the nurses to soon knock meet the nurses to try it off and as try trying to call it off and as well do think that patient well do you think that patient safety being compromised in safety is being compromised in an unacceptable way. your solutions this particular solutions to this particular crisis suggest tb is a gbnews.uk do we negotiate. do we give them exactly what we want or does the government stand firm? before that, you and i just had lunch . that, you and i just had lunch. 333 on radisson in the gb news room. the home secretary says today's tragedy shows how important it is to break up criminal gangs , stop channel criminal gangs, stop channel

crossings . four people have died crossings. four people have died and 43 others were rescued after small boat capsized in the channel. the incident comes less than 24 hours after the prime minister announced renewed plans to tackle migration. suella braverman says new legislation to deter will save lives . these to deter will save lives. these are the days that dread crossing the channel in unseaworthy vessels is a lethal, dangerous . vessels is a lethal, dangerous. it's it is for this, above all, that we are working so hard to destroy the business model of the people smugglers . evil the people smugglers. evil organised criminals to treat human as cargo . the prime human as cargo. the prime minister has asked a lawyer investigating bullying allegations against dominic raab to consider five new formal complaints the deputy prime minister is now facing allegations all relating to his time at the ministry of justice . mr. raab has previously denied the claims. labour is calling

his suspension while the investigation is underway . a man investigation is underway. a man who murdered a law refused to leave his cell for this morning. it's told that jordan mcsweeney admitted killing zara lena in east london. doesn't want to watch video evidence of his actions. he was caught on cctv at least two other women before attacking the 35 year old. walked home from a night out in ilford . he's due to be sentenced ilford. he's due to be sentenced shortly shortly . six chinese shortly shortly. six chinese officials, including the consul general, have been removed the uk over an incident involving the hong kong pro—democracy protests bob chan was demonstrate sitting on the grounds of the consulate in manchester when he was attacked in october . the manchester when he was attacked in october. the foreign secretary james cleverly says the government made it clear that china must take action against the diplomats. that china must take action against the diplomats . we we're against the diplomats. we we're on tv and on disney plus radio , on tv and on disney plus radio, you're watching the people's channel gb news go anywhere, patrick. we'll be back in a

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okay, ladies and gentlemen, where we are indeed the people's channel? i do love to hear from the people i've been asking loads of you to get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.uk on solutions to. to . i'm dealing with to. well, to. i'm dealing with just one now, which is

just one of them now, which is what's on in channel what's going on in the channel very, very tragically. four people lost their lives after. a small capsized the channel. small boat capsized the channel. some others have been some 40 or so others have been rescued. we'll bring you updates on that throughout the course of this show. but a lot of women getting in touch about how we can really stop this now the can really stop this now in the wake rishi sunak's wake of rishi sunak's announcement yesterday he's announcement yesterday that he's got includes got a plan that includes things like deportations, the like deportations, cutting the asylum taskforces like deportations, cutting the as'the1 taskforces like deportations, cutting the as'the channel. taskforces like deportations, cutting the as'the channel. alltaskforces like deportations, cutting the as'the channel. all knowrces like deportations, cutting the as'the channel. all know the in the channel. we all know the drill, says , that drill, geraldine says, that while she has a huge amount of sympathy course to anyone who has lives or suffered has lost their lives or suffered in channel, just feels in the channel, she just feels they're aided and abetted they're being aided and abetted by the jodi by things like the jowell. jodi and a debate up on and we've got a debate up on whether should pull whether or not we should pull out i suppose really out these. i suppose that really does back control of does mean taking back control of our laws or does it? clive says the military, as he says, says he's mentioned before, that these human trafficking these gangs, human trafficking gangs, they'll gangs, will have guns, they'll beyond very well beyond that, we're very well equipped. basically equipped. we have to basically i'm paraphrasing clive but i'm paraphrasing here, clive but he have swallow the he says we have to swallow the fact send in special fact that we send in special forces accept the fact that forces and accept the fact that there will be casualties as a result. the casualties of result. the casualties are, of course, anyway.

course, fingers crossed anyway. there's human traffickers there's vile human traffickers he's of the military, he's got for of the military, gavin regard gavin says. patrick, with regard the migrant crisis, we the current migrant crisis, we do someone power with some do need someone power with some actual but he's calling for more of a political that although to be fair solution is donald trump so strong views on the outside gb our gbnews.uk we'll keep you up to date on all of that very very loss of life in the channel crystallising . i think arguably crystallising. i think arguably more than ever , the fact that more so than ever, the fact that something need to be something really does need to be done, stop these boats done, try to stop these boats coming very short and then we talk nurses strike strong talk about nurses strike strong views that as but before views that as well. but before that drunk the t as as a has announced fresh strikes at two train operators in the days after christmas. so 700 t ssa members at west midlands trains and great western railway will strike for 24 hours from noon on december the 28th. it comes on the second day of a series of walkouts planned by the rmt union to run through until after the new year. right. there's a going on it there's loads of different unions those are different unions those are different strike days. i will

forgive you for not being able to keep up it to. be honest to keep up with it to. be honest with you, i wouldn't able to with you, i wouldn't be able to keep with it if my job wasn't keep up with it if my job wasn't to read it. they're offered all turkey. joining me is the turkey. joining me now is the trouble the independents. trouble with the independents. calder, in simon. calder, a man in the know simon. what the is going on? well, what the heck is going on? well, okay, complicated. but okay, it's very complicated. but the is, if are a rail the main thing is, if are a rail passenger or indeed a taxpayer whose this whole mess miserable business, you will getting business, then you will getting increasingly cheesed off. let's just pick up on those strikes . just pick up on those strikes. yes. the tsa, white union yes. now, the tsa, white union generally more moderate than the rmt union and indeed the aslef train drivers union. but they're obviously fed up and they going on strike between christmas and new year. frankly, a lot your viewers are going to be saying i didn't know we were any trains anyway, because obviously this coincides with the festive engineering that are going ahead, it will it almost pretty much kind of line of industrial action all the way through to

second week in in january the railways i'm not sure how much effect that have on these two train operators . i would say train operators. i would say they won't shut down. however, we are on day two of a national rail strike . and you might be rail strike. and you might be thinking, oh, it's a two day strike. so we'll be back on the trains tomorrow. watch out. there's lots of disruption expected for tomorrow as well because lots of staff who were perhaps due to work overnight, won't and therefore things will be slow starting in the morning. and then also closing down tomorrow eve ning ahead of the next 48 hour strike. and this is so that in scotland, scotrail basically passenger said all week we're just going to assume there's a strike. so we do a few trains around glasgow around edinburgh and that's it indeed. no. something that might seem self—defeating as far as the mick lynch. now i'm ts of this world are concerned is that as we understand it members strike action is going to them around 5000 thousand pounds. this is

according to reports you seem well andrew it all depends it's to say so they will he couldn't say it quite famous on radio yesterday and he got a bit right. so it all depends if for example , you are relatively example, you are relatively earning person between c rmt and working either network rail or a train and you were used doing lots of overtime then well you could lost a maximum them by the time you get to the end. the 16 days work and untold amounts of overtime as well. so, so for a number of people it will it will be into the thousands. i probably say somewhere between 1050 hundred pounds is probably the kind of average, but mean a significant amount of money and you've to you know, you've been on strike and you want to win that. well, that's it. and i think as well obviously one thing i alluding to was thing i was alluding to was whether not government is whether or not government is deciding that actually public opinion may now be turning against are going opinion may now be turning ag'strike are going opinion may now be turning ag'strike . are going opinion may now be turning ag'strike . and are going opinion may now be turning ag'strike . and also are going opinion may now be turning ag'strike . and also howare going opinion may now be turning

ag'strike . and also how long)ing opinion may now be turning ag'strike . and also how long can on strike. and also how long can they stay on strike for if they are losing that kind of money. but advice people just but your advice to people just very are using the very briefly who are using the trains across uk would trains right across the uk would be you can. no, no. be what if you can. no, no, no. i mean, there are going to be trains running through trains running the way through apart from christmas and boxing day they never run anyway day when they never run anyway just advance if your just check in advance if your train running, for instance, train is running, for instance, you hoping to travel from you were hoping to travel from scotland today. well, scotland to london today. well, i'm missed by i'm afraid you've missed that by a of hours . yes, indeed. a couple of hours. yes, indeed. all simon, thank very all right, simon, thank you very much. calder, that much. as simon calder, that independent travel editor. right. okay. well, from one strike to another, the royal college nurses has rejected calls from nhs bosses to protect cancer surgery during industrial action, which begins tomorrow . action, which begins tomorrow. now, this really, i think of all of strikes and there are of course loads of them the most emotive one will be because it means that the health of, the nation, the health of your nan, the of mum, your or the health of mum, your dad or yourself and patients. yourself as well. and patients. well, union has that it will well, the union has that it will only staff emergency cancer services such as chemotherapy or immediately saving operations.

but realistically that's a bit of a grey area, isn't it, when it comes to cancer surgery. but operations are moving or other cancer related surgeries will not be covered. just want to say before i go to my guest to hit you with a couple of stats here, really, because the chief nurses of england, scotland and northern ireland have to the nurses, union bosses the nurses, union bosses and the royal nursing saying royal college of nursing saying that feel let down by the that they feel let down by the union and the prime minister referenced facts in prime minister's questions. that, in fact is almost unbelievable. we don't hear this very often , don't hear this very often, think we should be hearing a bit more that apparently anyway the nhs is in real terms. in real terms a 9% funding up. nhs is in real terms. in real terms a 9% funding up . compared terms a 9% funding up. compared to 20 each time. that takes you to 20 each time. that takes you t 0 £1802 to 20 each time. that takes you to £1802 billion for this coming year . and as i introduce coming year. and as i introduce my guest now dr. laurence buckman, former chairman of british medical association, gp's committee. it leads me dr. lawrence , the question as to lawrence, the question as to whether or not this is actually a problem of government or a

problem of nhs . well it's a problem of nhs. well it's a problem of nhs. well it's a problem for somebody , it's problem for somebody, it's a problem for somebody, it's a problem for somebody, it's a problem for the nurses who feel they've got no other way to their income but to go on strike something which i'm sure none of them are enthusiastic about and it's also a problem . the it's also a problem. the treasury who have to foot the bill on, unfortunately my experience of treasury is that they're not never very forthcoming and so they use this smokescreen a review body, an independent review body which it's technically independent of course is paid by the government , as am i. and pronounce whatever think the pay rise should be. and then they tell the government and then the government decides what it wants to do and so i think this is a problem for the government not for the nhs. well i'll tell you a definite well i'll tell you it definitely is a problem for i'm not as i think lot of people not as and i think lot of people will see through frankly the

guff i would call it, of the guff as i would call it, of the royal college of nursing to say, well, massively well, actually what massively impact what it impact patient now what it obviously will for somebody who is have a tumour is awaiting to have a tumour removed. shocked to removed. they will be shocked to learn that. according to the nhs, their operation is not vital and it into question again the morality of strikes . well, the morality of strikes. well, you can argue if, you start looking at morality , we can looking at morality, we can start trading immorality itis both within and outside the nhs and in society as a whole. when somebody is paid more than somebody is paid more than somebody else for doing similar work. all sorts of things. so i feel that, i feel that we shouldn't be arguing that basis. i don't like the of anybody going on strike the health service that affects patients . service that affects patients. however i understand why nurses feel the way they do they are very badly and they need significant pay rise. unfortunately to get them out of the position where some them are now going to foodbanks. the position where some them are now going to foodbanks . that now going to foodbanks. that isn't a good idea either. they're now falling into the working poor that doesn't mean,

of course, that cancer patients should be penalised in any way. and clearly emergency services have be maintained, but that's up to that's up to the royal of nurses, how they choose to operate their industrial action . but the fact is, of course, there no political support for these strikes when they the side of the house and in fact you see not today did call out keir starmer saturday off the starmer on saturday get off the fence get off fence i'm paraphrasing get off the fence do you support them or do not support them? one do you not support them? one thing was thing that keir starmer was saying, though, won't rishi saying, though, why won't rishi sunak with royal sunak meet with the royal college nursing? apparently sunak meet with the royal collehave nursing? apparently sunak meet with the royal colle have that. ing? apparently sunak meet with the royal colle have that. ingrishi parently sunak meet with the royal colle have that. ingrishi sunak's they have that. if rishi sunak's confirms he will into confirms he will enter into discussions with them, then they will call these strikes off. the clock ticking. he just clock is ticking. should he just meet them? even it's meet with them? even if it's just to these strikes ? just to delay these strikes? well, smacks of precedent, as well, it smacks of precedent, as he would as . i well, it smacks of precedent, as he would as. i would he would say it as. i would say it's a sensible manoeuvre because in the in the game of political negotiations , it's political negotiations, it's a lot better for each side to trade directly with the organ gnnder trade directly with the organ grinder rather than the monkey.

so if he would do that and puts him in a better position for deaung him in a better position for dealing with them and it also shows in members that they got the prime minister to wake up and attention. so, yeah, all right. just just just lastly, it's all very well and good saying that nurses aren't paid enough for the job that they do, but is that a lot of but the fact is that a lot of the people that they treat who belong on the nhs, they can't afford to go private. and a lot of those be working poor or of those will be working poor or just themselves. on just poor themselves. how on earth nurse justify earth does a nurse justify looking someone, in looking at someone, those in the eye, that get back eye, someone that you get back to and saying, we're very to work and saying, we're very sorry we didn't remove that tumour, but don't feel like tumour, but we don't feel like we've paid enough we we've been paid enough when we have pay rises in two have had to pay rises in two years, those pay years, even though those pay rises in line with rises are not in line with inflation, unlike inflation, frankly, unlike anyone i anyone else, israeli. yes, i think patient feels ill think any patient who feels ill served understandably is going to miffed that it's to be very miffed that it's medical negligence, it ? i medical negligence, isn't it? i think it's very unfortunate that that treatment will be delayed , that treatment will be delayed, but probably only a day two. you'd have to ask them . the you'd have to ask them. the nurses think they're going to do

what? how they define urgent and emergency cancer care . you could emergency cancer care. you could argue as you're trying to do that. actually, it any cancer care is urgent, but the nurses obviously have their view, which is slightly different to yours. laurence thank you very much. as long as that former chairman of the british medical association, gp's , we're going to be gp's, we're going to be discussing that throughout the look we've look so far this hour we've kind of off up for the of set off still up for the remainder the show, haven't remainder of the show, haven't we. stories are of we. our main stories are of course been going on in course what's been going on in the channel the various different strike taking place different strike is taking place on but also on the railways, but also certainly main that certainly the main strike that i'm focusing on i'm going to be focusing on because around the because he's just around the corner. tomorrow is corner. it's just tomorrow is not nurses one and it's been announced that actually announced as well that actually there will be more cancer treatments cancelled initially first thought and does that change your mind on it. i have been asking throughout the course solutions to course of this for solutions to both of two major problems both of the two major problems that going to be talking that are going to be talking what goes on in terms of stopping the small boats crossing channel light of crossing the channel in light of yet more tragic yet again some more tragic deaths channel, but

deaths in the channel, but also what be try to stop what could be done. try to stop the strikes and. the nurses strikes and. actually, been on and actually, gemma has been on and this is an interesting one a question i think is going to rear as these dramas rear its head as these dramas continue, considering continue, especially considering there's at there's no political support, at least of least openly, on either side of the house these strikes. the house for these strikes. which leads me to conclude that it wouldn't be matter who was it wouldn't be to matter who was in diana that she in charge. diana says that she thinks should be thinks these strikes should be illegal i wonder whether or illegal. and i wonder whether or not questions are going not these questions are going to keep asked or not keep being asked whether or not it should be legal for nurses to strike gbv gbnews.uk well, in the last hour king charles visited the palace westminster. he unveiled a plaque westminster hall and switched on it last yeah hall and switched on it last year. jubilee gift from members of both houses simultaneously. netflix has the trailer for the second set of harry and meghan episodes . second set of harry and meghan episodes. get more on that tomorrow. reporter cameron walker but always nobody there making me sit through of a era is certainly seen evidence is that that was negative from the palace against harry and meghan to suit other people's agendas

you just see it play out like a story about someone in the family would pop up for a minute and they've got to make that go away but there's real estate on away but there's real estate on a website home page there is real estate there on a newspaper front cover and. something has to be in there about to be filled in there about someone . well, clearly the best someone. well, clearly the best thing to do that is to try to do a global interview with followed by a net flix documentary series by a net flix documentary series by a net flix documentary series by a book and to keep this story going. we would not now be talking about this if they weren't piping all the time. with me now from is gb news reporter cameron walker. cameron, thank you very much. yes okay. what we start with should we start should we start with king charles first? actually yeah. let's talk about it's nice to start talking about that rather than harry and meghan for a second. yes so you see, i'm at buckingham palace site has the royal reporter but today here at palace of the

today here at the palace of the royal standard has just come down indicating his majesty has now left the houses of parliament was here mainly to be in westminster to unveil a plaque which marks the spot that the late queen elizabeth ii is laid in state in following her death . that was the main reason death. that was the main reason why he was here. he also met with mps . the prime minister with mps. the prime minister really sunak leader of the opposition, sir keir and the leader of the house, lindsay hoyle . he also met with a number hoyle. he also met with a number of staff members. he helped more than 200,000 people. he queued for hours to pay their final respects to the late queen elizabeth, second to see lightning light seats here at westminster hall. lightning light seats here at westminster hall . and then westminster hall. and then following that, he went into a new palace yard where he unveiled a privately for gifts by . both by parliamentarians. both houses, as you said , patrick. houses, as you said, patrick. and it was mainly the gift was for the queen to mark her platinum jubilee 70 years of

service to this and it's the pair of unique bronze sculptures which apparently is a tradition featuring heraldic beasts from the uk. but all of this i'm afraid that check comes as the a new trailer prince harry and meghan markle's documentary series is released, which a lawyer in that trailer alleges that buckingham palace was negatively was briefing negative stories about harry and meghan to the press in order to what's alluded to in this trailer make other members the royal family look good . there's been no look good. there's been no comments from buckingham palace kensington palace on and of course actual netflix documentary final three episodes are released tomorrow which just so happens to with another event happening in that's of the of wales cow service where members of the royal family including , of the royal family including, the king and queen consorts will be here. perhaps a show of unity in the wake of the sussex storm that's on the horizon. patrick curran, thank you very much as

even curran, thank you very much as ever. yes. outside a very different palace for this time, but doing stellar work nonetheless coming walker gb news his royal initially on whatever the king been to whatever the king has been to followed course that news followed by of course that news that there is yet another netflix trailer. thank you very much who been much everybody who has been in as ever do like to get as many of you on the as possible whether that's only the whether that's via only the medium of email or indeed seeing your wonderful faces. your wonderful unlovely faces. and different and today is no different because next hour because in the next hour i have yet more viewers who are yet more gb news viewers who are going to find themselves on the telly so keep these emails coming in and that could be you as well. vaiews@gbnews.uk i'm asking for solutions today. solutions been going in on what's been going in the channel. decks, course channel. sub decks, of course are for people that so far on the to what's been going on with the to what's been going on with the nurses like helen for example helen solutions the nurses well find nurses strike is to well find all of the unions. i mean it's an extreme solution. it's one nonetheless. keep these views coming. ladies and gentlemen, i love today's big when love all of the today's big when i return very shortly. don't go anywhere alex deakin anywhere now alex deakin and this latest weather this is your latest weather update the met office. more

update from the met office. more and frosty weather to come through rest of this week. through the rest of this week. there of a change as there are signs of a change as we through the still we go through the weekend still icy places some snow icy ends in places some snow falling this area of low pressure never quite it in that's got some warm air but it's not heading towards us we've still got the northerly bringing more snow showers across northern scotland although now although the winds are now easing little bit, easing just a little bit, particularly across shetland. but more snow coming in but more snow showers coming in here. mix of rain, sleet and here. a mix of rain, sleet and snow showers for ireland and eastern england could icy eastern england could head icy as go through the and as we go through the and overnight. we do have met overnight. so we do have met office weather warnings office yellow weather warnings in place for the vast majority it simply clear and cold temperatures dropping well below freezing even in towns and cities and where there's any snow lying the ground across scotland where we could get down to minus ten to minus 13. and there will be more snow showers coming across northern scotland and a few more centimetres and but a few more centimetres likely that likely places more than that over hills. and during the course of a few more of these wintry showers coming into parts of north—east england. so a

covering of snow is possible in places particularly over the nonh places particularly over the north same goes for north york. same goes for northern parts of northern ireland. elsewhere, most places simply dry and cold temperatures struggling to get much of a freezing the day and quickly through the evening. as soon as the sun sets temperatures and we'll see another frost forming still a few wintry showers close to eastern england and of course, northern scotland. so it could turn, but a bit of a shift as we go through tomorrow , as we go through tomorrow, weather coming in from the northwest that will bring snow to the highlands and potentially through the central belt of scotland for time during friday. so again met office yellow warnings in place for that something we need to keep a close eye on during friday could be a mixture through the be a bit a mixture through the central sleet or central belt of rain sleet or snow most , right? of course, snow for most, right? of course, northern some snow northern ireland with some snow the a bit of change the hill. so a bit of a change and then more of a change for sunday as we see things wetter. but a bit milder.

welcome back, everybody , to welcome back, everybody, to minutes past four. you're with me, patrick christys on gb news. i'm coming up. labour saves action against people smuggling gangs has been to week more should be done before further lives are lost in the english channel that of course comes as our big breaking today. our big breaking story today. the have as the four people have died as small boat capsized in channel. we will bring you the very latest on that from the scene actually tomorrow is a day to avoid dogs but let's be perfectly honest with you because will be on strike because nurses will be on strike dunng because nurses will be on strike during earlier. because nurses will be on strike during earlier . okay. all during pmqs earlier. okay. all right. well, there we go. we've been interrupted. we'll take you live the old bailey now for

live to the old bailey now for the sentencing jordan the sentencing of jordan mcsweeney, killing mcsweeney, who admitted killing zara east in zara alena in east london in june. go the old june. let's go like the old bailey for entirely the of his . bailey for entirely the of his. she had studied lord onto these solicitors role . mussolini's solicitors role. mussolini's aunt foreigners but her grandma rushed to parveen have told the court in articular it elegant and moving terms how precious special the woman this defendant sexually assaulted , murdered was sexually assaulted, murdered was every human being has her own essential qualities . sara essential qualities. sara believed in justice. she had a strong moral compass. believed in justice. she had a strong moral compass . she felt strong moral compass. she felt her life with big ideas , big her life with big ideas, big plans and a zest for existence . plans and a zest for existence. she was confident and active, working , volunteering to use her working, volunteering to use her talents to the full . she was talents to the full. she was well loved . her mother's only

well loved. her mother's only child and her death has broken that woman . zara's absence is that woman. zara's absence is being felt constantly by the entire family. being felt constantly by the entire family . the extended entire family. the extended family , the light gone out from family, the light gone out from their lives . they have told the their lives. they have told the court they will campaign for a better world in her name , for better world in her name, for the life she lost , having done the life she lost, having done nothing wrong . they want to make nothing wrong. they want to make the world safer . others the the world safer. others the defendant had been drinking that night with the friend whose caravan was sharing . he was caravan was sharing. he was pestering women . he groped a pestering women. he groped a woman at the great spoon of ilford and tried to a female member of staff . eventually he member of staff. eventually he was ejected . just after 11 pm. was ejected. just after 11 pm. he walked in the direction of krum road and for the next 2 hours prowled around, desperate , find a victim . he was captured , find a victim. he was captured just after midnight, obviously

intoxicated and following a woman a stranger down road . he woman a stranger down road. he deployed some degree subterfuge, waiting to get her in front and falling behind when she appeared to notice him . the woman well to notice him. the woman well have realised he was following her because wisely she entered a shop and showed her wariness by looking towards the doorway indeed he hung around outside that shop , waiting for her to that shop, waiting for her to leave . he entered and left leave. he entered and left making any purchase . she watched making any purchase. she watched him leave and waited yet more time before leaving herself . he time before leaving herself. he was still in the vicinity but hidden . and she waited for hidden. and she waited for a while in the curtain edge of the shop. while in the curtain edge of the shop . when she moved away, the shop. when she moved away, the defendant and followed her down gloucester road , she began to gloucester road, she began to run and she outrun him . it is no

run and she outrun him. it is no hope to say that her actions that night saved her life. this pursuit had lasted 21 minutes. that woman has not been identified before long. the defendant saw potential victim who was inside a chicken stop shop on romford road . he entered shop on romford road. he entered and stared at her and put his aura. well, unfortunately , we aura. well, unfortunately, we appear to have lost the feed from old bailey. but what? you were listening . that was the were listening. that was the sentencing of jordan mcsweeney , sentencing of jordan mcsweeney, who admitted to killing zara olina and that was in east london in june. we will endeavour to bring back to the sentencing there, but yes, just as we await to be returned to the i just want to just fill you in on a couple of the other topics we're going to talking about throughout the course of this. and of course, another big breaking news, another tragedy

in channel people in the channel this. four people have confirmed after have now been confirmed after a small capsized the small boat capsized in the channel off the coast in the early hours of this home secretary suella braverman has sorrow at the earlier today . i sorrow at the earlier today. i know that in this house across the country will me in expressing our sadness and sympathies for everyone affected by this terrible event . i know by this terrible event. i know that they also join me in offering profound gratitude to working on the search and rescue . the that much includes those who all responding to the incident commander. dan o'mahoney and his team are working with military colleagues and other partners. day and day out to try to prevent this type of tragedy tragedy are undertaking immensely difficult work, and we should all be extremely grateful to them . mr.

extremely grateful to them. mr. speaken extremely grateful to them. mr. speaker, these are the days that we dread crossing the channel in unseaworthy vessels is a lethal dangerous endeavour with it is for this reason. above all, that we are working so hard to destroy the business model of the people smugglers. evil organised criminals to treat human beings as. okay. so that was suella braverman speaking earlier in the house of commons in relation to one of the big stories that we're covering today. stories that we're covering today . sadly, four more people today. sadly, four more people have their lives in the have lost their lives in the engush have lost their lives in the english after small english channel after a small boat we're just boat capsized. but we're just going to go back now, that feed has been restored to the old bailey. the sentencing. jordan mcsweeney, who admitted to killing eleanor killing zara. eleanor in east london listen . london in june. let's listen. alina reached the junction of northbrook and cranberry roads at the same time , it was a fatal at the same time, it was a fatal coincidence since he waited for

her to go past. and then cross the road so that he was behind her. the road so that he was behind hen he the road so that he was behind her. he followed her for some distance, getting to within a few metres of her until she reached number 268, a residential on cranbrook road with a wide paved front or driveway . at that point there driveway. at that point there were other people on the street . the attack captured on domestic cameras . he grabbed her domestic cameras. he grabbed her and pulled her backwards. one arm around her neck , the other arm around her neck, the other over her mouth . she was dragged over her mouth. she was dragged deeper into the darkness of the driveway . and it's clear that driveway. and it's clear that she struggled and fought him , she struggled and fought him, but he had the advantage of surprise and strength and was successful in subduing . he then successful in subduing. he then parted her legs while she was on the but still she fought and resisted getting again again . he

resisted getting again again. he attacked her and pulled her back onto the ground. she must been rendered unconscious because he then dragged around without in—depth pendant movement from her. in—depth pendant movement from hen he in—depth pendant movement from her. he removed some of her clothing and sexually assaulted her. the security camera on the front . the house does not front. the house does not provide a image of these events . he kicked stamped on her. his movements, indicating that these were repeated heavy assaults . he were repeated heavy assaults. he was not carried away . he had not was not carried away. he had not been overtaken by an urge . it's been overtaken by an urge. it's clear that he was wholly aware of what he was doing . this is of what he was doing. this is indisputably correct because when he realised that someone was coming past the house on the pavement, he bent out of sight before resuming what he was doing after satisfying his lust, he proceeded to destroy the woman he had degraded with ,

woman he had degraded with, sickening deliberation. he stamped on her. then he left to away. but after a few metres he returned and repeated , least returned and repeated, least stamped down on her body again . stamped down on her body again. using the for balance . he using the for balance. he searched her body again , left searched her body again, left for a second time, carrying things of hers, still finished having walked away this time he again returned to miss selina and bent down by body before stamping her again. and bent down by body before stamping her again . this stamping her again. this abduction, sexual assault and murder lasted . just 9 minutes he murder lasted. just 9 minutes he had carried away her phone keys , purse, leggings and underwear. and they were found at nearby . and they were found at nearby. he captured on cctv at the fair,

where the caravan was located with , bloodstains on his and with, bloodstains on his and trainers as he returned . sara trainers as he returned. sara ali in his body was by two couples walking past and emergency services were called . emergency services were called. and some of those members of the pubuc and some of those members of the public have been traumatised by what they saw . the court what they saw. the court commends their swift, compassionate actions in seeking help . ms. elina was desperate , help. ms. elina was desperate, injured, struggling breath and her life was in danger. all injured, struggling breath and her life was in danger . all that her life was in danger. all that could be done was done by. the medical professionals who answered the 999 call they tried save her life in the driveway for over an hour she arrived at the royal hospital after 4 am. and the work continued but by 958 and she was dead , she had

958 and she was dead, she had suffered 46 separate injury . suffered 46 separate injury. these severe blunt force trauma to her head deep lacerations to her scalp bruising , to her lips, her scalp bruising, to her lips, ear eyes, nose and she had suffered genital injuries . the suffered genital injuries. the severity of the violence caused a traumatic brain injury. she died because the brain injuries and prolonged head neck compression , she had been compression, she had been stamped and strangled to death . stamped and strangled to death. the defendant had left two fingerprints in blood on the balustrade through intelligent and swift work by the metropolitan police . he was metropolitan police. he was quickly identified . and arrested quickly identified. and arrested on the 27th of june at his caravan in valentine park . he caravan in valentine park. he made no coherent response to

arrest his bloodstained trainers and jeans were secreted in the caravan . he had hidden them in caravan. he had hidden them in the afternoon of . the 26th of the afternoon of. the 26th of june. his demeanour on the relevant cctv footage from the site that afternoon soon suggests no cares no regrets , no suggests no cares no regrets, no contrition . at the police contrition. at the police station, he said he was on for adhd and suffered from a fit personality disorder. you he refused treatment and threatened officers at the station he made no comment three police interviews and exhibited utter disrespect the situation he was in given what he knew he had done so nothing a judge says make a difference to what happened. make a difference to what happened . miss sara ali. no no happened. miss sara ali. no no sentence of the court can . bring sentence of the court can. bring her back. the had the physical

advantage years of strength and surprise in everything else she was better than him. she was talented , spirited, intelligent talented, spirited, intelligent and kind spending the evening with her friends. she had done nothing wrong, taken misstep show, no lack of sense . she was show, no lack of sense. she was simply a happy healthy woman living . her life in what most living. her life in what most londoners think of as the best in the world, the defendant has been brought to court today , has been brought to court today, has refused to come up to courtroom . he has given an excuse that he doesn't want to revisit the events he is responsible for. it's agreed that his non—attendance is voluntary and it is appropriate to sentence in his absence . but the defendants his absence. but the defendants not to come up from the cells to court to hear the devastating impact of his crimes shows that the man who took zara alene , his

the man who took zara alene, his life has no spine whatsoever ever. life has no spine whatsoever ever . murder carries a life ever. murder carries a life sentence. i have determine the minimum term to be served in accordance with paragraph three of schedule 21 of the sentence act 2020. it should be clear to everyone that this figure is just minimum and it will only be when the parole board considers , the defendant, is no longer a that he can be that day may never come . the prosecution never come. the prosecution submits that this a case in which the seriousness the murder considered together with the sexual assault is particular high. the defence agree the start point for the court's determination both sides agree is therefore one of search a years . mr. glasgow is therefore one of search a years. mr. glasgow king's submits that for the aggravating and mitigating features and for

the guilty pleas , this case the guilty pleas, this case merits a sentence in excess of . merits a sentence in excess of. the minimum term . mr. stevenson, the minimum term. mr. stevenson, king's counsel disagrees and urges the court to pass a more moderate minimum term in all the circum stances in this respect, the specific disputes i have to resolve are fourfold. firstly the prosecution and agree that the prosecution and agree that the is the defendant planning to commit a sexual and there is no of significant planning or premeditation for murder . premeditation for murder. however, i do not agree that this is a case someone seeking what has been described as an intimate encounter that is far too neutral. a term albeit understood doable. most of the defendants behaviour in the 2 hours before he dragged sara

alina off the street reveals a resolve to find and attack a vulnerable female . he confronted vulnerable female. he confronted or several women . i am sure that or several women. i am sure that the defendant to sexually assault a violently using such force as required to achieve submission and to frighten her. although i do not sentence on the basis that this was a premeditated , i am also premeditated, i am also satisfied that he was quite prepared to kill, if satisfied that he was quite prepared to kill , if necessary, prepared to kill, if necessary, as it out, he decided it was a. secondly, although he has no previous convictions for sexual offences or crimes of serious violence , the prosecution relies violence, the prosecution relies on records of his previous aggressive as an aggravating feature of the evidence of four specific incidents 2009 and a large number of incidents of aggression in prison. i ignore the earliest incident provided

by the prosecutor , but in 2010. by the prosecutor, but in 2010. his partner alleged domestic violence . she told the police violence. she told the police that he had assaulted her, pushed her down the steps, pulled her hair and strangle her. she bore injuries. was arrested and he gave an account . the police largely in line with what she had said . but he with what she had said. but he excused himself because she had been , quote, going on and as been, quote, going on and as a result, he lost temper . between result, he lost temper. between may 2018 and june 20, 19, he abused another woman with whom he was in a relationship . soon he was in a relationship. soon after it began , he would slap after it began, he would slap her, punch her beat her, kick her, punch her beat her, kick her in the ribs and her along the road . in february 20, 20, the road. in february 20, 20, while in prison, he threatened to a prison officer who had spoken to him after he had damaged his cell. he said he would cut off his head and open him up . this sort threatening

him up. this sort threatening attitude and behaviour is his default . intelligence reports default. intelligence reports disclosed to the defence demonstrate that on 20th of december 2015, whilst located in the segregation unit, a prison, he made threats carry out very serious harm to a prison officer who was female . they also who was female. they also include that in march 2017, he became and aggressive when , became and aggressive when, asked to remove photographs his cell wall by. another female officer to whom the defendant also made threats of really serious bodily harm, including stabbing . he said i've stabbed stabbing. he said i've stabbed gloves , check my file and watch gloves, check my file and watch what i do to you . gloves, check my file and watch what i do to you. his gloves, check my file and watch what i do to you . his record of what i do to you. his record of adjudications in custody shows he had 223 adjudication as between august 2010 and june 20, 22, 165 of which resulted in

charges argent 39 resulted in verdicts and 169 results in sanctions . among them are sanctions. among them are numerous adjudications for committing assault and for using threatening abusive , insulting threatening abusive, insulting words or behaviour. threatening abusive, insulting words or behaviour . the police words or behaviour. the police unit incidents a prisoner report records 102 incidents for jorden mcsweeney between august 2012 and april 2022. amongst these incidents are serious assaults on other inmates. improve eyesight weapons being found in. jordan mcsweeney's possession and general disobedience . and general disobedience. i remind myself that it is only that which i can be sure of to the criminal standard of proof that can be relevant to the decision i must make on a minimum term. decision i must make on a minimum term . i am sure too, minimum term. i am sure too, that stand and that the defendant is pugnacious and deeply violent with a propensity to violence . in my judgement,

to violence. in my judgement, this is also relevant . the this is also relevant. the extent that it demonstrates his behaviour on the night the 26th of june 2022 was not an aberration. it was a steep and sudden escalation of violence which had simmered in his life for many years . thirdly, i have for many years. thirdly, i have to deter men, whether this is a case in which am sure that the degree which miscellaneous suffered mentally or physically before her death is an aggravating feature . it is aggravating feature. it is argued she is likely to have been unconscious very early on and during much of the attack that she remained . is that she remained. is speculation and there is evidence contrary to that suggestion include , judging the suggestion include, judging the need as he saw it, suggestion include, judging the need as he saw it , for the need as he saw it, for the defendant to return to the victim twice after leaving her. she survived 8 hours after the attack . i'm sure she will attack. i'm sure she will

suffered inordinately . and this suffered inordinately. and this is an aggravating feature . is an aggravating feature. fourthly have no doubt jordan mcsweeney to kill zara olina . mcsweeney to kill zara olina. the nature of his attack stumping on her head and the fact that he returned twice drives me to the conclu session that this was a intention to kill . finally that this was a intention to kill. finally is there any degree to which culpability for this murder is lowered because of a mental disorder or disability ? mr. carter stevenson disability? mr. carter stevenson submits that i should have regard to the defendant's statement that the police station that he has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and personality disorder. as i observed to counsel, the court has no psychiatric report from any expert who examined the defendant . i have considered the defendant. i have considered the of the psychologist, dr. very carefully . i of the psychologist, dr. very carefully. i bear of the psychologist, dr. very carefully . i bear in of the psychologist, dr. very carefully. i bear in mind all the mental ill health identified right therein which counsel has summarised, is making the

defendant's someone who struggles in the community and has real difficulty in making and maintaining a healthy social life . in despite the brokenness life. in despite the brokenness the defendant has experienced, i do not consider that there is any cogent material upon which i can conclude that the mental health issues he undoubtedly has , or the anti—social conditioning his upbringing are of reducing his culpable to any material extent. i sentence him on the basis that his mental faculties were such that he bears full responsibility for his actions . bears full responsibility for his actions. the bears full responsibility for his actions . the presence of the his actions. the presence of the following aggravating features agreed the location and timing of the offence in public in the early hours of the morning witnessed partly by members of the public and the attempts made to dispose of or conceal evidence , such as the evidence, such as the bloodstained clothing and shoes . two other factors which i

consider to be important require attention . firstly, i ensure attention. firstly, i ensure that the taking of miscellaneous mobile phone was a deliberate attempt prevent her calling for help or giving a description of what had happened to her before she died. and secondly , she he she died. and secondly, she he had shortly before being released from the so he had shortly before been from the defendant's most sentence the revocation of his licence on the 24th of june was placed on the police national computer on the 25th of june. in my judgement, he committed this offence in the expectation that he was likely be returned to custody soon. in any event , be returned to custody soon. in any event, apart from the guilty pleas, i find no mitigation . he pleas, i find no mitigation. he has never expressed any remorse or demonstrated empathy for the outcome of his behaviour in evidence. he cried at the police station. but this was after his arrest for murder rape. and it was not a complete buy an expression of sorrow for the

impact on anyone else . his impact on anyone else. his licence has been revoked and he has been serving the of his previous sentence while on remand. so there are days to be counted against the sentence i passed today . counted against the sentence i passed today. i have counted against the sentence i passed today . i have taken care passed today. i have taken care to avoid double counting the sexual assault. is category one offence because . the defendant offence because. the defendant used violence and threats and abducted the victim from the street . there was a significant street. there was a significant degree premeditation because . he degree premeditation because. he wandered around the area until. he found the ideal circumstances in which to commit offence. this was a particularly violent sexual committed at night, a pubuc sexual committed at night, a public place on a woman alone. the defendant removed mussolini's knickers and caused injuries to her genital, as well as the injuries that led her death . the sentence for that death. the sentence for that offence of sexual assault. had i been dealing with it alone,

would have been six years imprisonment. taking into account his history of offending , had there not been a guilty plea , i would allow one third plea, i would allow one third discount for the plea. i take the view that this offence is already incorporated the minimum term for murder because i have taken the highest starting point of 30 years and i reflect the aggravating features of it in the minimum term for the murder. hav 27th of june, the defendant charged with murder and rape. on the 29th of june on reception in prison. he indicated that he could not comprehend that he had done. could not comprehend that he had done . he had done. he appeared done. he had done. he appeared for a preliminary hearing on the 1st of july 20, 22 and his was set for the 30th of september 2020 to prior to the listing, the solicitors acting for the wrote to the court to inform that they had not received expert report commissioned from a psychiatrist because . the

a psychiatrist because. the defendant had not seen him . defendant had not seen him. furthermore owing to the industrial action being taken by the defence bar , his instructed the defence bar, his instructed advocate would not be . advocate would not be. accordingly i adjourned the heanng accordingly i adjourned the hearing to the 19th of october and an extension was given for service of the defence. the defendant failed without a reasonable excuse to attend appointments with the psychologist . on the 21st of psychologist. on the 21st of september. on the 3rd of october. that his solicitors wrote to the court again to request a further adjournment when the case came before the court for pity on the 19th of october. the defendant refused to attend and it became apparent that he had not attended a conference that had been arranged with his solicitors . arranged with his solicitors. the defence were directed to secure the services . a secure the services. a psychologist who could provide report as soon as possible and the petition was adjourned . the the petition was adjourned. the 24th of october on that date.

the solicitor still did not have a report on the was adjourned once again to the 11th of november. in the report of dr. black, which is dated the 26th of october and which was i'm in the hands of the defence after that date, the defendant's that he did not remember what had happened and he could not believe what was seeing. when shown the cctv an interview, in fact the police interviews after arrest the defendant effected a bored and disinterested facade , bored and disinterested facade, the defendant was not produced at the next hearing because . he at the next hearing because. he tested positive for covid. the p tested positive for covid. the p t h was put back the 16th of november, despite a direction that he attend in person . the that he attend in person. the defendant refused to come to court . on eight. the defence court. on eight. the defence instructions from the defendant and approached the prosecution about potential pleas and this was indicated into the court. the gbh was adjourned to the

19th and november, and on that occasion the defendant pleaded guilty to the preferred to count indictment, murder and, sexual assault . i indictment, murder and, sexual assault. i accept indictment, murder and, sexual assault . i accept that the assault. i accept that the prosecutor, the defence solicitor has commissioned expert reports to ensure there was no psychiatric defence to the charge of murder and to ensure fitness , to plead and to ensure fitness, to plead and to be tried . these were responsible be tried. these were responsible in a case of such gravity. i also accept that because of the action taken by criminal, also accept that because of the action taken by criminal , the action taken by criminal, the defendant was not able to receive advice from junior barristers or kings counsel until this year. i reject the suggestion from the defence that because he was heard on a prison phone telling his mother that he was bound to rights, he should be taken to have indicated at a very, very early that he would accept responsive for the killing. he indicated this to the court until the 16th of

november and at stages his non—engagement frustrate the work being done on his behalf. in addition, as mr. carter stevenson accepted in his written on sentence , he caused written on sentence, he caused some additional delay through taking a belligerent attitude when required to come to court , when required to come to court, including telling the jailers on one occasion that there was no point in attending a hearing at which he required . overall, my which he required. overall, my conclusion is that the defendant is entitled to less than the maximum discount on the murder count. maximum discount on the murder count . and i would allow one count. and i would allow one case, although given the length of the term i will impose the maximum discount allowed can be five years . considering all five years. considering all these features after a trial , these features after a trial, minimum term would have been 43 years. i allow five years. as i have said , the plea of guilty have said, the plea of guilty

indicated by counsel on the 16th of november, a few weeks before trial. a sentence of four years concurrent is imposed for sexual . the sentence the brutal, sexually motivated murder of zarah olina is imprisonment for life. the defendant will serve 38 years as the minimum term . 38 years as the minimum term. the court would like to thank counsel and also to commend mr. and mrs. georgina woolard and maria . and okay. well, there you maria. and okay. well, there you like just an incredibly harrowing and disturbing watch and a lesson that that was, of course, the sentencing of jordan mcsweeney for savage brutal rape , murder of zarah aleena , and , murder of zarah aleena, and that was in east london in july as she just tried to walk home. and the sentencing was imprisonment for life with a minimum of 38 years. and as we heard there and as well have

been news to a lot of people, the shocking track record of jordan revealed in court walls and sets. and it may well beg the question. i'm sure a lot of people will be wondering now is should he have ever been allowed to walk the streets anyway to go on commit violent, on to commit a violent, abhorrent depraved you abhorrent and depraved act you are with patrick christys on gb news very difficult to say . got news very difficult to say. got yourself in that box anyway. right. well coming up, we will air the real world of strike action on small businesses in the uk during one of the busiest times of year. i will ask, is it times of year. i will ask, is it time to take drastic action to take back control in the channel after more devastating kent after more devastating news kent this the death of this morning after the death of four boat four people in a small boat making the dangerous journey thatis making the dangerous journey that is next. i'll be back very shortly. don't go anywhere .

okay. welcome back, everybody. patrick christie is here on gb news. well, from breaking to another. let's go back to that very tragic case where four people have sadly lost their after attempting to cross the engush after attempting to cross the english channel in a small boat early morning, gb news has early this morning, gb news has been four more people been told up to four more people may still missing the may still be missing in the channel that's after four migrants died overnight when their small boat got into difficulties dangerous difficulties making dangerous journey across that body of water. let's get the latest on that operation home to yorkshire to mount white, david. mark, what is the latest? that fourth place. well, this search operation has been running since 3 am, we're told that it's going to run until at least 9:00. the evening. know the authorities are working on information up to four more people are still missing out in the channel. clearly they've been speaking to those on this vessel, 47 was the initial

number we were given. but it seems that may have been over 50 people on board this boat. so lots of maritime assets are still out in the channel at the moment . border force vessels, moment. border force vessels, lifeboat s french and british naval vessels as well as. lifeboat s french and british naval vessels as well as . local naval vessels as well as. local fishing boats who've been asked to keep an eye out as well. so they're not going to give up the search. sadly, though, the reality that after all of these , it will be a recovery operation , not a rescue operation, not a rescue operation, not a rescue operation , just no way that operation, just no way that anyone have been able to save to with the temperatures as low as they are in these waters. but as i say, still , for people they i say, still, for people they believe patrick are missing unaccounted for at this time . unaccounted for at this time. yeah. and mark, as you said there, of course , operation does there, of course, operation does continue saturday. not expected to be any more survivors as of course. and it does come around

a year since the last impact . a year since the last impact. well doesn't isn't the last sad loss of life in the shallow up. yes 13 months ago when 27 people died. i mean, that really was a mass tragedy boat that deflated made channel by the time rescuers got . to the all those rescuers got. to the all those on board had in 27 were confirmed to have died but actually the total number was over 30 and some of those bodies never recovered and it might well that we're looking at a similar that for have been recovered . four bodies have been recovered. four bodies have been recovered. four bodies have been recovered but there may be others missing the unaccounted for that we never know really the true number of which and it could be at least it may be that in the fullness of time we get some more indication authorities from what they've been able to

from what they've been able to from others on this boat. but if they thought course 30 months ago that that tragedy of 27 or more deaths in the channel would stop the small who were sadly mistaken . it's too profitable mistaken. it's too profitable for the criminal gangs. the people are too desperate clearly to get over this side of the channel to get over this side of the channel, unwilling to that risk, despite there being an obvious risk. yeah massively obvious risk. yeah massively obvious risk. a market off the back of yesterday. rishi sunak announcing that he's got this big plan to try to stop these small boats crossing one element of that i know earlier i spoke to a bit about the small boats supply example. bit later i'm supply example. a bit later i'm going be about what's going to be talking about what's going to be talking about what's going with the job. going to happen with the job. all there's element all of there's another element of quite keen to get of it that i'm quite keen to get your take on is the putting people at tyrone the airports right now. can you talk us right now. can you just talk us through a lot of you, as through that? a lot of you, as all of our listeners to say and that's be that's basically going to be kind like the chocolate fire kind of like the chocolate fire god because people god approach because people either fly out from that either won't fly out from that apple just will have no apple or just will have no impact whatsoever. impact on them whatsoever. can you to our viewers

you just explain to our viewers and exactly what. that and listeners exactly what. that really the really means are elements of the plan? well, i mean, all of those points raise are true. points you raise are true. there's multiple in which people can leave country of albania to get through europe and to get normandy to make that journey across to the uk. so a modest number and it will be a modest number. if you remember, we got again with a great fanfare , one again with a great fanfare, one of pretty patel's announcements about , a new deals of pretty patel's announcements about, a new deals and of pretty patel's announcements about , a new deals and with about, a new deals and with albania that would allow for albanian security personnel police officers to come here to the uk to help those that are coming across that have no right to be here, that may have been involved in criminality in albania when events really the officials questioned at the home affairs select committee on just how many of these albanian officials had come across. we

understand the number one go grave . alright, look, mark, grave. alright, look, mark, thank you very, very much mark. why that we'll be bringing is the latest as we understand it the latest as we understand it the current state of play unfortunately with what has been going on in the channel is the for people sadly died after a migrant boat capsized. four people remain missing and or people remain missing and 40 or so currently receiving so are currently receiving treatment. the treatment. we'll bring you the very all of that as it very latest on all of that as it comes it is yes another comes to us. it is yes another tragic loss of life in the channel after yet another record year when it comes to crossings. and i have been asking you throughout the course of this show to in touch and just come up what you think some of up with what you think some of solutions should be. and there's not a huge amount of sympathy out for rishi sunak's plan out there for rishi sunak's plan at the moment, which is to have forces there in the channel, forces out there in the channel, which is to have a more holiday comfort. for example being used in order to house some of these people, he says anyway, to create legal routes, create more and legal routes, which would predominantly, i suppose, at stopping suppose, be aimed at stopping people making journey to people making that journey to other been call it an other i've been call it an

unnecessary across the unnecessary journey across the channel and i have some people stationed at tirana airport and, albania, few people that albania, quite a few people that this just a sticking plaster this is just a sticking plaster over and over gaping wound and unfortunately wound in unfortunately a gaping wound in a different parts a completely different parts of the when it comes to that. the body when it comes to that. so of saying it will have absolutely impact whatsoever. a lot saying that the lot of people saying that the deterrent deportation deterrent has to be deportation . clearly, though, and you just read the news and listen to the news today of four people sadly losing their lives in the channel. it crystallises, i think, doesn't it, so than think, doesn't it, more so than ever more needs be done ever that more needs to be done to these boats ever setting to stop these boats ever setting off. for that means off. and for me, that means stopping actual boats stopping the actual boats themselves, of these themselves, the supply of these boats. can it be that the boats. how can it be that the full might of europe's police services cannot stop the production line of boats coming all the way through to calais? i cannot believe for the life of me that we seem so unable to stop boats actually making stop the boats actually making it the shores calais and also it the shores of calais and also whether else is we should whether else is what we should be leaving uk make it be leaving the uk to all make it easier to deport people and is it now not time? maybe be using people like sas little bit people like the sas a little bit

more go and cut the head of more to go and cut the head of the snake actually. really go after would after and, i would argue, possibly violent way out possibly quite a violent way out the responsible for the people responsible for transporting over transporting these people over there traffickers. but transporting these people over tithink traffickers. but transporting these people over tithink we traffickers. but transporting these people over tithink we move traffickers. but transporting these people over tithink we move away ckers. but transporting these people over tithink we move away from but transporting these people over tithink we move away from that i think we move away from that for now. gbs gbnews.uk keep those views coming be those views coming in. we'll be going and indeed viewers going to you and indeed viewers actually well a bit actually on screen as well a bit later but back onto the later on. but back onto the strike now. royal mail strike now. the royal mail postal workers their postal workers began, their planned action today of a planned strike action today of a jobs and conditions. jobs pay and conditions. the strike communique from strike by the communique from workers coincides with workers union coincides with the ongoing by rmt ongoing strike action by the rmt union that's the railways. union that's on the railways. that's causing major disruption around the country as we speak. that's causing major disruption aroun

nurses maybe would the nurses that maybe would stop the strike action. we understand strike action. as we understand it the clock is ticking it anyway. the clock is ticking and actually not decided and he has actually not decided to with them. but when to meet with them. but when comes strike comes to the other strike action, more like the postal workers, for example. and of course, sector course, transport sector strikes, businesses strikes, many businesses are claiming this is just wreaks havoc their operations. what havoc on their operations. what is expected to be is normally expected to be that most prosperous time year most prosperous time of year this year, when they this time of year, when they make maybe incurred make for maybe losses incurred over the course of that year and anyway losses incurred over the course the pandemic. well, course of the pandemic. well, joining owner of joining me now is the owner of hippodrome simon. simon, hippodrome casino, simon. simon, thank much. to great thank you so, so much. to great you on the show. have noticed a heads to your takings as a result of strike strikes excuse me that have taken place so far 7 me that have taken place so far ? sadly, yes but it's all they make believe at the on the news but actually central london is fantastic is buzzing it's just nowhere as busy as it normally is this time of year and you've got to remember you mentioned there's a lot of businesses that have been tough times. these are the weeks when people make the

money that season through the next couple of months, which typically will be enough. and it's and we will be good but we should be absolutely the same for a lot of the places i'll get that. but i blame the blame. yeah well clearly the rmt helping themselves not helping us. when you actually look the strike is the unions. this country's been through an awful time recently. a lot of businesses on their knees. this is the time we should all be putting together doing what's right for the country, getting it onto the good footing so we can actually pay the sort of wage demands. these guys have got is not the time to be taking when they're down. because you don't blame the government all. i i'm a bit just been trying to survive. but it's clearly government clearly the unions, they've got to get together . i they've got to get together. i don't really care how do it they've got to get together. we

can't be sitting here in another month's time and be having these same problems get round the table and, leave them there until somebody comes up with a solution. i must say , am aware, solution. i must say, am aware, simon clearly deeply sympathetic towards the business owners who are struggling . i am aware of are struggling. i am aware of the optics of . this a casino the optics of. this a casino owner with a rather gold background behind and an area no doubt where people rather a lot of money go to gamble without money. i do question whether or not a lot of people watching this might actually have a huge possibility, but i certainly do. and just say, do you think and just to say, do you think that actually who that actually the people who claim on the side of the claim to be on the side of the workers i.e. rmt, etc, are workers i.e. the rmt, etc, are not the side of workers, not on the side of workers, because it means that ordinary people that you employ is people that you employ people is normal you normal people, not the high you go casino actually are go into your casino actually are the who . we have 34,000 the ones who. we have 34,000 people a week will be coming here and i've got 700 staff. we have people from walk of life, people coming to magic mike just, going to drink through to the people who use the casinos. so we cover the entire

hospitality industry in this one building and likewise the bus stop. these are normal people just trying to get job done? some of the journeys my staff have this morning have been awful and we've had to pay the taxes for them to supplement . taxes for them to supplement. we're probably not as bad thing central london as towns are don't have the benefit of an underground system or a decent bus network. so i think we've just got to going find solutions , get get a positive . simon , get get a positive. simon thank you very much, simon thomas. that was the owner of the hippodrome casino in london and just reacting to the impact the strike action and certainly the strike action and certainly the transport strike action is having on businesses. of the having on businesses. one of the big course, i was big questions, of course, i was asking throughout the course asking you throughout the course of was for solutions of this show was for solutions to some of the action was to some of the action i was focusing on. nurses strike a focusing on. the nurses strike a lot. getting lot. you've been getting in touch on the appears to be growing anyway. so certainly amongst like amongst some of you like jill we've used gbnews.uk who really just action just that the strike action should illegal very should be illegal is very very dicey territory dojo whilst i have sympathy for that view and

certainly some of other certainly as some of the other people getting in people who've been getting in touch that they've issues touch to say that they've issues getting that cash, i can sympathise with but i'm sympathise with that, but i'm just you. my now that just here with you. my now that we going to return we actually are going to return to bailey where ali's to the old bailey where ali's portrayer sarwar porter portrayer anas sarwar porter joins us and this in relation to the verdict it was handed down to jordan mcsweeney after the rape and murder of ali alice. what's the latest that place either jordan mcsweeney has been given life sentence with a minimum served of 38 years, no murder always carries a life sentence of 30 years. mrs. justice cheema grub has upgraded that sentence to a minimum term of 38 years for a number of factors , one of which is the way factors, one of which is the way in which this was a premeditated set , actual attack. and the set, actual attack. and the court heard today how jordan mcsweeney roamed around ilford for 2 hours on the 26th of june this year. very much looking for a potential victim and there

were four different women he pursued over extended periods of time . woman was stalked for time. woman was stalked for around 21 minutes. luckily in those cases he was unsuccessful . but sadly, in the case of zara aleena, she was not so fortunate as she was very much brutally killed. the court heard how she was stamped on repeatedly , and was stamped on repeatedly, and she was very much stumped and strangled death and in fact went over to mcsweeney, had finished his his eight minute attack. he left and then came back twice to stump her even further . i stump her even further. i removed her phone so she couldn't ask for help. but i think it's the ferocity with . think it's the ferocity with. the attack which has meant that he can be serving a minimum term of 38 years in prison he'd actually only been released from prison nine days before the attack . again, that's been an attack. again, that's been an additional factor in the sentence saying. mrs. justice cheema described. jordan mcsweeney as pugnacious and a violent man , that he'd had a

violent man, that he'd had a history of violent behaviour, although the defence did say he had an incredibly difficult childhood, he'd been sexually abused. childhood, he'd been sexually abused . his mother had been abused. his mother had been a drug addict and he'd had a completely loveless childhood and therefore it was no surprise that he had descended very much into a life of crime very early on. but the judge presiding over this said that there was a not enough of a mitigating factors , enough of a mitigating factors, that he was still a grown man making decisions, that making own decisions, and that the way he had stalked multiple women , but the that he had women, but the way that he had killed zara olina and had austerely also sexually assaulted her. such disregard to her preventing her. i asking for help and also the fact that she lay dying for a long time . it lay dying for a long time. it was 8 hours after the brutal attack that she was that she finally died and she obviously had immense suffering . had immense suffering. therefore, he's been given a life sentence with a minimum term of 38 years in prison, which will i think be some some

hope, i suppose, for the family, some sense of justice we had two very moving victim statements from our readiness arms and grandmother in court today who described what a wonderful girl, zorelli was. she was a 35 year old law graduate. she had so much promise in her life. but her life was sadly very cut short and. we will, in due course, be hearing from the family to give her more of an update to the sentence. and hopefully for them there is sense that justice will be finally served. but the case very much raised as questions and concerns about women's safety particularly in london , safety particularly in london, if this comes off the back of shipping , that's sarah everard shipping, that's sarah everard and this is that for those of you watching, there are placards behind people who've come behind me of people who've come in support of the family and want this to be very much a case that raises awareness of women's safety a prosecution safety because as a prosecution is very much laid out in court today who was just today she was woman who was just going her day walking home

going about her day walking home and she was everywhere that she should go . should have been allowed to go. but sadly, george mcsweeney brutally took her brutally and savagely took her life when it was far too much, too short. alice thank you very, very much. alice porter. too short. alice thank you very, very much. alice porter . just very much. alice porter. just outside the old bailey us now. hopefully shortly we'll be going to back the old bailey there where wes streeting , who is the where wes streeting, who is the labour mp for ilford north. so the mp in the area where it all took , he's also of course shadow took, he's also of course shadow secretary of state for health and social care. we are expecting to be making a statement outside, the steps of the old bailey very, very shortly. a lot of you have been getting in touch, i think, echoing things that i certainly felt hearing that felt as i was hearing that ridiculous summing really of ridiculous summing up really of events the of events in the of the history of jordan mcsweeney brutally and violently murdered zara allen of a catalogue of offences and a history of offences and he was out was nancy just days before he committed that attack and a lot of you just questioning really why he was indeed allowed back out and about and indeed

whether or not this country now things like the death penalty are relevant when it comes to people . jordan mcsweeney people. jordan mcsweeney all we're be returning to that we're going be returning to that story a little bit later on. but just before that inflation figures dropped this figures have dropped this morning, going down to 10.7, that's according to the office for national statistics. but the cost living still remains cost of living still remains a 40 year high with food drink 40 year high with food and drink price rapidly, shot price rising rapidly, shot chancellor rachel reeves commenting on the latest figures earlier on. three days apart from last month's inflation of 11.1, this is something like the second highest rate of inflation with the experiences the country in 40 years, with the numbers show that food prices alone have gone up by 16 and a half% in the last. so this is clearly a very concerning time, particularly for mums and dads and grandparents in, the run up to christmas and the government can't be complacent about because this is also putting pressure on mortgage rates and on rents. and as we go into the

year again, i know that many families are going to be worried about how they're going to pay their mortgage and how they're going their rent. we going pay their rent. and we need from government to need more from the government to help cost of living help with a cost of living crisis. crucially grow crisis. but crucially to grow our economy without economic growth, almost impossible growth, it's almost impossible to raise living and improve pubuc to raise living and improve public services . that's why we public services. that's why we are in the mess we are in today. okay all right. well, liam halligan joins me now. our economics and business editor with on the money . yesterday, with on the money. yesterday, we've been slightly by events but phil as employees have so as writers are saying that inflation figure came out this morning patrick, we got a little graphic here that we can show gb news viewers anyway inflation in november was 10.7. that's down from 11.1% in october. so in november patrick, the cpi consumer price index , a basket consumer price index, a basket of goods and services priced 10.7% higher than in november 2021. and if we move on within

that food price inflation was 16.5. you see brent there up 20% on the year ex 24% milk 37% positive 37. all these are basic products, patrick, that needs to buy i've been saying for months and months and months that headune and months and months that headline inflation is not a real representation of the inflation face the cost of living increase is faced by ordinary people , is faced by ordinary people, particularly those on low incomes who spend disproportionately on food . disproportionately on food. there's the proof. yeah, indeed and this is the reason why we're seeing things like security on butter and all of this stuff. its weight , it's butter and all of this stuff. its weight, it's milk, it's dairy, a lot of this is because of war between and ukraine, a lack of wheat grain out there on global markets and also more expensive feedstock for dairy farmers. again linked to high commodity. yeah now just just quickly as well because we are expecting to go back to the old bailey at some points here and we don't to miss out given we don't want to miss out given the serious case by strike action again are in the action now yet again are in the

midst of strikes. seeing midst of strikes. we're seeing nurses tomorrow. but the nurses strikes tomorrow. but the financial one that financial impact of the one that strikes workers, strikes postal workers, for example this country example, hitting this country hard, isn't it? yeah know that the economy shrank during the the uk economy shrank during the three to october . and the three months to october. and the bank of england expects the uk economy to shrink in the three months we're now in now. and that will mean a recession these strikes hitting and strikes are hitting spending and also inflation remains high. look that's sort good news that inflation is a bit less than it was before. it might have peaked. that means that the of england tomorrow may have to england tomorrow may not have to raise as much as we raise rates by as much as we thought a % thought would maybe half a% rather, three quarters of % but rather, three quarters of% but inflation is still near a 40 year high. yeah that still means that people's purchasing is dented. they're not going to be spending much this christmas as they ordinarily would do. and among a lot of business, there's what we call patrick and investment because investment strike, because inflation is high because there's lots of industrial because is all a bit because politics is all a bit squishy at the moment. because politics is all a bit squishy at the moment . they squishy at the moment. they don't feel certain enough to more money on the table to

invest and further in their business and that's why unfortunately whisper unemployment's still low historic standards but is starting to tick up. we saw that earlier this week we heard earlier this week we heard earlier on our from someone that while the number of people in employment so your normal jobs as it were is all right the lack of people now salama is back on friday in our economic sound business to that the family of zara lena who was murdered by geordie mcsweeney, are about to speak now outside the old bailey after a killer was sentenced to life in prison a minimum life in prison with a minimum sentence 38 years. let's listen. now on a man was single determination to stop a woman or women we know that not the zara was at least the fifth woman that he pursued. he followed . we that he pursued. he followed. we found the other four women. but that have been more . the that have been more. the sentence that he got. we flex

the seriousness of their crime. what the court thought of how serious it was 43 years was the sentence reduced to 34 guilty plea. it's a substantial nothing but can be done to bring zara back or give her any comfort for family. but the substantial shows, the seriousness and the determination of the metropolitan to bring people like mcsweeney to justice. my thoughts on those who might seem all with the family was a very good investigation . from our good investigation. from our points of view and thankful . points of view and thankful. jordan mcsweeney is going to be behind bars a considerable penod behind bars a considerable period of time before . he's even period of time before. he's even eligible for parole . thank you eligible for parole. thank you very much . all right. now

very much. all right. now i'm just going to fill you in, elizabeth, on this case. we are outside the old bailey live now in london, not forjust outside the old bailey live now in london, not for just the sentencing of jordan mcsweeney. he was to life in he was sentenced to life in prison a minimum of 38 prison with a minimum of 38 years that is in relation, of course, to the murder he absolutely utterly depraved murder of zara allen the judge that describe told me sweeney's pugnacious and a deeply violent man it's in relation to a catalogue of offences he's if indeed there ever could be any which let's be honest with you there isn't really is that he had a terrible upbringing supposedly one filled with violence sexual . supposedly violence and sexual. supposedly one of his earliest memories was of to assault of his father trying to assault his mother , indeed assaulting his mother, indeed assaulting his mother, indeed assaulting his . and that apparently his mother. and that apparently has shaped his life, although i think we can all agree. absolutely mitigating absolutely no mitigating circumstances fact that circumstances for fact that he decided stalk and then drug decided to stalk and then drug off abuse and murder zara allen has been sentenced to life imprisonment, a minimum of 38 years. well look, i am patrick

christys here on. we will sticking with that story. but that we're going to go to our headunes that we're going to go to our headlines now with polly . headlines now with polly. patrick thank you and good afternoon to you. the man who murdered a law graduate in east london in june been sentenced to life in prison and will serve a minimum term of 38 years. jordan mcsweeney pleaded guilty to the murder of zara elina, but refused to leave his cell for sentencing, saying didn't want to watch video evidence his actions. mcsweeney was caught on cctv at least two other women before attacking the 35 year old as she walked home from a night out in ilford. as she walked home from a night out in ilford . during out in ilford. during sentencing, judge che mcgrath labelled mcsweeney a coward . labelled mcsweeney a coward. nothing a judge says can make a difference to what happened to miss zara alina. no sentence of

the court can bring her back . the court can bring her back. the defendant had the physical advantages of strength and surprise in everything else . she surprise in everything else. she was better than him. she was talented, spirited intelligent and kind . well, as you can and kind. well, as you can imagine, there been quite a reaction to that sentence today. let's take you to outside the old bailey in central london , old bailey in central london, where we believe the family are addressing cameras with their reaction to the today. a very dangerous man . we have some dangerous man. we have some retribution , but no peace . there retribution, but no peace. there are questions to be answered still . and there are lessons to still. and there are lessons to be learnt and changes to be made . sarah's life since sleek and brutally crushed , and today, brutally crushed, and today, like every day we, live with the horror she , was forced to . face

horror she, was forced to. face sarah was the light through , the sarah was the light through, the birds song, the laughter , our birds song, the laughter, our family . we live with a profound family. we live with a profound loss . each day family. we live with a profound loss. each day and each day we are destroyed a little more . we are destroyed a little more. we are destroyed a little more. we are deeply touched by the kindness we felt from so many. and this is testament to the power of zahra's spirit . thank power of zahra's spirit. thank you . well, that was a family you. well, that was a family of our. alina, we understand , our. alina, we understand, beginning by expressing my deepest sympathies to zahra's loved ones , by paying tribute to loved ones, by paying tribute to their and resolve , and by their and resolve, and by thanking her family for asking

me to make this statement . me to make this statement. they've suffered a trauma . no they've suffered a trauma. no one should ever be forced , one should ever be forced, endure . how many of us can that endure. how many of us can that we too would have carried ourselves with the same grace and in the face of such unbearable pain . today yet unbearable pain. today yet another violent man has been for the horrific murder of yet another innocent woman , zahra another innocent woman, zahra allen. his future was stolen by someone with no regard for her life or . the laws of our land. life or. the laws of our land. she spent her days working to uphold . we don't know what uphold. we don't know what motivated this terrible and senseless act of violence , but senseless act of violence, but we know the cost . a young, we know the cost. a young, bright woman's hopes will never

be realised . her family and be realised. her family and friends lives forever altered . friends lives forever altered. and more and more women feeling less safe as they go about their daily lives lives . zara's loss daily lives lives. zara's loss is a tragedy in every sense for her family , friends and her family, friends and community who were left bereft . community who were left bereft. for our city, which is deprived of a talented and dedicated pubuc of a talented and dedicated public servant, i'm acutely of the question being asked across city right now . after biba and city right now. after biba and nicole, after sarah after sabina after zara , and after the many after zara, and after the many other women whose lives have been brutally cut short at the hands of men . when is this going hands of men. when is this going to end ? there is an epidemic of to end? there is an epidemic of violence against . women and

violence against. women and girls in the uk. a man , a woman. girls in the uk. a man, a woman. every days . as mayor, i'm to every days. as mayor, i'm to break this sickening cycle of violence, condemnation and inaction . because women don't inaction. because women don't just deserve to be safe. they have the right to be safe . we've have the right to be safe. we've been tackling violence against women and girls a priority . women and girls a priority. london with new initiatives investment. but i. it isn't enough. investment. but i. it isn't enough . we wouldn't be here if enough. we wouldn't be here if it was. i'll city and our society must change. and i'm determined to work with partners . i think we to lead the way. my promise to zara's loved ones to women and to all londoners is that as mayor city hall stands with and we will not rest until

our city a place where no woman or ever fears for their safety in their home or our streets. thank you so . i won't absolutely thank you so. i won't absolutely clear that zara name will live on in the hearts of in ilford, south . every family across south. every family across london , every family across london, every family across britain . the fears for their britain. the fears for their daughter because this shouldn't have happened and there will be questions that need to be asked about mcsweeney and why. he was still on the streets of ilford, able commit this heinous crime . able commit this heinous crime. i welcome wholeheartedly . such i welcome wholeheartedly. such a tough sentence . someone that tough sentence. someone that showed absolutely no remorse and didn't even have a gas to come to court the face of justice. he so got today i'll be working over months and weeks to come . over months and weeks to come. the family of many who believe that any walking from a pub that

ihave that any walking from a pub that i have drunk in many times on the streets of ilford should never to fear for their life. let alone to be harassed or face danger. let alone to be harassed or face danger . i'll let alone to be harassed or face danger. i'll be supporting the mayor of london in all of his endeavours to ensure that this is something that is change. and our government to take this seriously . our capital should seriously. our capital should not have streets unsafe for anyone at any of night or day and we will work tirelessly to ensure that the legacy of sara is that women in the future in london will be able to go about their business, enjoy their lives and achieve the things that they deserve to achieve the bright hearts and, the hopes that were in zara and her family for her future snuffed out, stolen , taken away in such stolen, taken away in such a relentless and remorseless way that should never, ever be something that any family has to face at any points the future. and we will demand that are

capital deserves. we will demand the resource that our groups and, campaign organisations support , tackling violence support, tackling violence against women and goes to serve because is britain in the 21st century. this is not acceptable and we will make it our cause and we will make it our cause and the cause of. the labour party that this ended and ended for good . well, that was for good. well, that was the mp for good. well, that was the mp for ilford , sam tarry , echoing for ilford, sam tarry, echoing the comments of . the mayor of the comments of. the mayor of london, sadiq khan, who spoke before him saying , mayor of london, sadiq khan, who spoke before him saying, mayor of this city, city hall stands with you . talking, of course about the murder of zara lynagh, who if you're watching on television, you're watching on television, you can see in the centre of your picture the man who killed the 35 year old law graduate in east london last year has been sentenced at the old bailey today to life in prison. jordan

mcsweeney , who didn't know mcsweeney, who didn't know alina, admitted to murdering and sexually assaulting her as she walked home from a night out. we saw as well saw his aunt sarah nas come to the microphone immediately after sentencing saying day, we live with the horror she was forced to face the laughter in our family is lost each day we are destroyed a little more than sadiq khan and. acknowledging the safety of women in the capital city of the uk said when is this going to end? there is an epidemic of violence against women and girls we don't just feel women should deserve to be safe they have a right to be safe . he also said, right to be safe. he also said, acutely aware of women's feelings , he's following feelings, he's following a string murders and rapes across the capital recent years and said, as i said as mayor of this

city stand with you . but it's city stand with you. but it's the pain of the family that we reflect tonight after sara eileen is aunt spoke to reporters outside the court saying the sentencing protects the public from a man who cannot and must not live in this world. we'll have more on that news story later on on gb news for the moment. back to . the moment. back to. patrick yes. okay. well, welcome back, everybody. going to move away from that now and talk about nurses strikes because the royal college nursing has rejected college of nursing has rejected pleas cancer surgery. college of nursing has rejected pletheir cancer surgery. college of nursing has rejected pletheir strike cancer surgery. college of nursing has rejected pletheir strike action' surgery. college of nursing has rejected pletheir strike action tomorrow of their strike action tomorrow the union has refused to staff such as surgical tumour and will only cover emergency treatments such as chemotherapy or . a media such as chemotherapy or. a media life saving . joining me now to

life saving. joining me now to share views on striking nurses are a couple of gb news using reason why i wanted to do this was a little bit on the way home with the rmt strong suit taking place yesterday. i wanted to know whether or not public opinion was turning on this. it's a very, very emotive issue, especially think especially in nurses and i think nurses of all of the struggles that facing. and let's be that we're facing. and let's be honest seems like honest with, you it seems like there's of right there's hundreds of them right now. is one that i now. nurses is the one that i think pulls on the heartstrings more one, because more than any other one, because don't a bit you, don't know if a bit like you, you've got any relatives or anything like that. it's a bad time to ill. and i want your time to get ill. and i want your views on whether not you views on whether or not you think it's wrong whether or think it's wrong and whether or not nurses. or do not you support nurses. or do you both. basically it's you think both. basically it's morally to morally wrong for them to strike, that should be strike, but that they should be paid and joining me is paid more and joining me is gareth is donia and gareth wyn jones is donia and dan in how both of you, dan bryant in how both of you, thank you very, very much making the time for us. gareth i will start you. when you hear start with you. when you hear stories fact that stories like the fact that essentially is going essentially cancer care is going be as result the be stifled as a result of the nurses strike. well how does that feel, this strike that make you feel, this strike and support otherwise . and your support or otherwise.

i'll honest . you. know, i'll be honest. you. you know, i'm support the nurses i'm in support of the nurses think are at the time these think they are at the time these people there for caring and the last thing they want to do to strike that you know i think the is a massive problem in this country. and a lot of it's to do with administration where the money goes from money , money goes from pumping money, the nhs and we are seeing lot of that this it's not going to the places we need on the front line and these the nurses, these are the people not getting the money is not getting to them and it should be getting to them. gareth so should i really support them? gareth you make a cracking point actually, because if i just read some of the stats here, apparently the real terms funding for the nhs has gone up by 39% since 2010. so winning people keep hearing about oh you know that cash drop the government's not pumping money into government's not pumping money int 0 £180.2 government's not pumping money into £180.2 billion has been earmarked for this coming year alone. that's £50 billion more

than in 2010 2011. and that is as i've just said, in real terms , increase of 39. so when you factor that in down it starts to look as though it is a problem management maybe in a government. what do you think . government. what do you think. well absolutely. the management of nhs is an absolute atrocious and if it was written like a private company, it would have gone bankrupt 30 years ago. it just gets it's like a black hole. they keep pouring more and more money into . it. but that more money into. it. but that said , when i was a hairdresser, said, when i was a hairdresser, iused said, when i was a hairdresser, i used do many a nurse's hair andifs i used do many a nurse's hair and it's not always the nurses themselves that want to go on strike but they unions that force them to do so but they're not underpaid you know they earn a decent wage. i think the starting salary for nurses £27,000, which is a lot higher than i don't know if i went to work for a marketing agency, for instance, 22 grand is a starting salary , so they're not badly

salary, so they're not badly paid . but i salary, so they're not badly paid. but i don't salary, so they're not badly paid . but i don't know the paid. but i don't know the intricacies of what the unions are demanding and everybody's suffering at the minute this inflation and again that's to government policy of money printing for the last ten years. yeah donna i'll come back to you on that as there is a good point, this one i love getting the view as long as you get the views of real people. i think a lot of the time, well, people patronise normal people. they anything they don't quite understand of it understand the intricacies of it and you have just come and both of you have just come out of the traps with some fascinating points to gareth i look from what does look up follow on from what does that you think do think that do you think you do think nurses underpaid. well i nurses are underpaid. well i think need the pay pay think they need the fair pay pay for they do. let's be for what they do. let's be honest these. these people honest about these. these people are the front line. are working in the front line. people in their hands. are working in the front line. people in their hands . you people die in their hands. you know, a stressful job. you know, it's a stressful job. you know, it's a stressful job. you know, it's a stressful job. you know, it's not it's not like, you know, every day job dedicated people have a lot of friends that are nurses have got a lot of friends are doctors . a lot of friends are doctors. and i see a of administration problem , as you know, in even gp

problem, as you know, in even gp surgeries, you talk to people it's all about the money we need to balance that out. we really need get that money into the line. it's like everything else you know, without them people that are caring and watching that are caring and watching that stuff. the sick we've got nothing. yeah, we've got drugs, we've got technology . but you we've got technology. but you have to have the people that can administer and, you know, give care and have time. my, my mother has recently been in hospital and i'll say she had fantastic care , but she had to fantastic care, but she had to wait for hours in agony because it wasn't a bad sort of it wasn't the nurse's fault. it wasn't the nurse's fault. it wasn't the nurse's fault. it wasn't the doctor's fault , you wasn't the doctor's fault, you know, maybe the place not big enough. but we need to address the administration and how these places are worked , you know, places are worked, you know, because going forward, this is definitely not sustainable . it's definitely not sustainable. it's going to be people are dying . we going to be people are dying. we see that all over the country already . yeah, look. 100. and already. yeah, look. 100. and i do think that sometimes all of this gets when you look at the

actual numbers of people who voted for this strike, it's not as over as people might have thought. was about just thought. it was about just a genome. example, another genome. for example, another view i'm ex nurse and view says, i'm an ex nurse and i am disgusted by nurses going on strike. in the wrong strike. they are in the wrong job look, absolutely job done. look, i absolutely copped once for copped it on twitter once for tweeting this, but i do think it and i have absolute sympathy nurses. is an incredibly nurses. it is an incredibly difficult never be difficult job. i would never be able do it myself i do able to do it myself and i do think they deserve a bit of a pay think they deserve a bit of a pay rise whether or not this 19.2% is too much, i think it is too. that said, the side , too. that said, the flip side, it is really to not could maybe try to little bit more try to engage little bit more with and meet somewhere in with them and meet somewhere in the you know, the middle, but done, you know, the middle, but done, you know, the structure is advertised the pay structure is advertised online. find out online. you can go and find out how will be paid as a nurse. how you will be paid as a nurse. inflation realistically out inflation is realistically out of of people's of a lot of people's and i understand that they're struggling a little bit at the moment. you actually think moment. do you actually think they be banned from going they should be banned from going on strike ? no, i think entitled on strike? no, i think entitled to remove their labour. they should be free to be to do that. if they're unhappy with something or if they if they

negotiate . but the problem , it's negotiate. but the problem, it's the unions and it tends be kind of all out you know and sometimes like i've just said, you've got to learn read the room and everybody having a hardship at the minute and like gareth has just been saying a lot of the problems within the nhs is mismanagement. i mean? the nhs is two thirds management? yeah so that's instead of medical, it's two thirds management which is lunatic . chris and that's what lunatic. chris and that's what you get when have public money that gets lost around because people just they're able give their friends jobs and they have and that it's just ridiculous just quickly because we're going to go very shortly to why why i'm a security at it's on the latest from the channel but i have been asking for normal viewers to get in touch actually give that solutions to the cnses give that solutions to the crises we're facing the crises that we're facing at the moment when it comes nurses strikes. gareth just reading between lines, i to put

between the lines, i want to put words your mouth. you think words in your mouth. you think maybe a pay and maybe a bit of a pay and a restructure. the management to make spend money make sure we spend the money better. would be a fairer better. would that be a fairer assessment? to assessment? your solution to this do you think? yeah, this nurses? do you think? yeah, totally. and think we to open totally. and i think we to open the conversation sit the conversation people to sit down the train scene down same with the train scene with teachers. know, we with the teachers. you know, we need to sit down together and not publicly not be fighting publicly bring people together. we're a great country. we can do this, but we have to them a fair wage. have to give them a fair wage. we cannot expect people to be working for nothing. it's hard , working for nothing. it's hard, but it's hard times and everybody so, you know, the taxpayer needs to something taxpayer needs to get something back. taxpayer needs to get something back . and this is the thing and back. and this is the thing and done. back. and this is the thing and done . think you had a loosely done. think you had a loosely similar solution in to as similar solution in to that as well but i'm reading it all on the front pages. about the the front pages. it's about the rmt like that and you rmt and stuff like that and you do think down whether not do think down whether or not actually like to mick lynch in the priority and list of the priority and the list of priorities people. we're priorities of people. we're going to have to give taxpayer money pay rise. money to give them a pay rise. would put nurses above would you put nurses above railway down. well see railway workers down. well see i'm struggling with giving

anybody in the private sector in the public sector a pay rise because not partly paid . right. because not partly paid. right. this is this was my point where i disagree with gareth is then that they're paid above the average wage. so you know you just you just focus on management and not actually them gives them the power as well because there is a case for that. i doubt it. i know it seems uncomfortable to say no respect for you for coming on telly they are telly saying because they are about in two years and about to pay in two years and people private sector people in the private sector aren't going to pay rise. i know it's difficult job know it's a very difficult job know and there is an and there is a there is an argument to say the shouldn't payer has done well maybe maybe not. yes again read the room . not. yes again read the room. you know you've got to you've got to look the rest of the country. all right now, both of you, you so much great you, thank you so, so much great stuff gareth jones is stuff that gareth wyn jones is no down and brian and whole no it down and brian and whole two people have reached out to us found themselves the us and found themselves on the airways. see. thank airways. you love to see. thank you very much. right now, you very, very much. right now, gb news been told that up to gb news has been told that up to four people still be

four more people may still be missing the channel after missing in the channel after four. margaret died four. margaret disability died overnight. to overnight. we're going to go to matt how matt white now on how musculoskeletal been at musculoskeletal he's been at the scene us all mark, scene for us all day. mark, thank very much. thank you very, very much. what's latest place? well, what's the latest place? well, 43 people, of course, were rescue 30 of those been in the water. now, four people died . so water. now, four people died. so we're told that there was a4a total of 47 people on small boat. but clearly , in the hours boat. but clearly, in the hours since this authorities have been speaking to those on board the vessel , and they now believe vessel, and they now believe that at least four individuals were on board vessel and are missing at sea. now, of course , missing at sea. now, of course, this rescue began . at three in this rescue began. at three in the morning. there just no way that anybody have survived in the as given the temperatures out there in the channel for this length of time. so it is a search and recovery operation . search and recovery operation. but nonetheless, of course, the rescue assets from the guard

from the lifeboat , from border from the lifeboat, from border force , the helicopters that have force, the helicopters that have been up the french vessels and local fishing boats are all determined to try to find those individuals regardless . but to individuals regardless. but to see a significant tragedy that has unfolded some 13 months after a terrible tragedy in which 27 people drowned the channel and people then had hoped that this might of , you hoped that this might of, you know, been a moment for pause and reflection perhaps the numbers coming across the channel would reduce somewhat that people would not be willing to make that risk the criminal gangs perhaps would feel it was too risky. well, the criminal gangs clearly with the eye on the money or making many, many millions of pounds on good weeks and the people that want to come to the uk. well clearly they are prepared to take that risk even though it could end in the kind of tragedy that we saw in the early hours of this morning.

okay yes, mark, thank you very, very much. mark our home security editor is just filling in on the latest when it comes to that migrant capsizing. four people, sadly, don four more expected, anyway, to be missing. and course, that now does and of course, that now does become recovery become sadly a recovery operation , a rescue operation, not a rescue operation, not a rescue operation . and around 40 others operation. and around 40 others have been rescued remain in varying degrees of that condition. receiving hospital treatment, it comes of course, just a day after rishi sunak announced the house of commons. notably, instead of 12 brave men, did not go. that did not go unnoticed. men, did not go. that did not go unnoficed.the men, did not go. that did not go unnoticed. the prime taking responsibility weather responsibility for this weather will also to regret. it is will also come to regret. it is thing he announced yesterday as small boats, an extra 700 staff from force the national from border force the national crime agency and. other agencies will become part of a dedicated task force in channel. he said he's going to end the use of hotels for use of sets of houses, asylum seekers and these these migrants . and instead he's these migrants. and instead he's going to start using military bases, holiday camps and student

accommodation as. bases, holiday camps and student accommodation as . also some accommodation as. also some border force at an airport in albania which i think we can all agree will be about as much use as a chocolate fire. but we'll bnng as a chocolate fire. but we'll bring you all the latest on that as we it. you're with me patrick christys on gb news and new figures show that inflation come down. does all of this down. but what does all of this really cost of really mean for the cost of living we'll be joined living crisis? we'll be joined by very own economics by our very own economics business editor liam halligan. i'm to asking because i'm going to be asking because digging the definition, digging into the definition, a woman yeah, know. woman has changed. yeah, i know. neither. we are back in neither. but then we are back in a moment .

okay. welcome back, everybody. patrick christie is here on gb news right now. a little bit earlier on this show, we had our very own liam halligan and our economics and business editor and we work us off, but with good reason. of course, there was sentencing of jodie

was the sentencing of jodie mcsweeney we had to cover mcsweeney that we had to cover that. but he's back again. liam halligan again, halligan joins us. yes, again, with money . earlier we're with on the money. earlier we're talking about inflation figures. but let's just maybe just pull up to one side for now, because i want to talk to you a little bit about the strike. so we were talking about that before we got cut off. take away. so it cut off. so take it away. so it strikes, pun intended, that strikes, no pun intended, that definitely a battle for hearts and minds going on here. think and minds going on here. i think the conservative party is calculating that public patience will end or certainly severely dented and tested the coming weeks . i think their banking weeks. i think their banking that a lot of voters will think the timing of these strikes while people backed people's you know the labour's right to withdraw order to protect their conditions. of course alternative is the victorian workhouse right. i think the tories are hoping that voters sort of middle england, if you like, will think to do this at christmas, particularly when

we've had two covid blighted christmas , the first christmas christmas, the first christmas without covid people trying to get to their families, wanting have a normal, decent christmas, particularly the tough year we've had terms of cost of we've had in terms of cost of living will think that's living they will think that's the unions may lose public support so they're that support so they're hoping that strikes will have a backlash on the labour party because. of course the labour party is funded by the trade to the tune of millions of pounds. funded by the trade to the tune of millions of pounds . you keep of millions of pounds. you keep saying is that your paymasters paymasters, right? that's right. labour hoping just the labour are hoping just the general in the breakdown general chaos in the breakdown will mean everybody , you know will mean everybody, you know needs , blames the government. needs, blames the government. i'd say at the moment it's in the balance . so i really do the balance. so i really do think that i think there's a tremendous amount at stake here, not just, you know, the economy over the next month, not just people's you state of mind and mental health and the inconvenience of businesses, firms and indeed families over christmas. i think it's in the balance which way this goes because it's 20, 30, 40 years

since the country's experienced industrial action on this scale. and it could get lot worse. but we know this isn't as bad as the winter of discontent in 1979. as we were saying the other day in 1979, 31 million working days were lost through strikes right . the labour of 31 million days now about a million and a half in six months. so it's a lot less an order of magnitude , but less an order of magnitude, but i do think they're very, very serious conditions here. and it's interesting the way labour's playing it . it's interesting the way labour's playing it. main people on the labour frontbench . so on the labour frontbench. so rachel reeves had a chance to cast sharma. they've got get around the negotiating type table of course we back the trade unions rights a strike most of it was straight singh who's the health secretary he's he's sounding a bit more like a sort of young protege, tony blair. he's painting himself as the patient's champion rather than the champion of the doctors and the nurses. and that is a change. well, it is a change,

but it's also actually quite small. and it's something that i was thinking about because frankly, there are more people as big as an employer as the nhs is. there are people who is. there are more people who use nhs than people are use the nhs than people are employees. if you employees. and so if you position the side of the position on the side of the patients, argue that patients, you could argue that that shrewd that is actually shrewd politics. want to let politics. but i just want to let me know. we out with me know. we started out with heanng me know. we started out with hearing about the rail strikes. i find then it became and then we've posts and had we've got posts and we've had a few going rail strikes few of going off rail strikes exactly we've had nurses exactly that. we've had nurses who border who opposes we've got border force. apparently force. i mean, apparently driving instructors went on strike about mangled. strike one point about mangled. i people can't i think many people can't see much that. yes, i know much about that. but yes, i know i'm whether or it i'm wondering whether or not it can be looked at through the prism just the as opposed to prism of just the as opposed to the they've the individuals they've saturated strike market. and saturated the strike market. and that easier for the that makes it easier for the conservatives. they can easily just well, going to just go well, we're not going to negotiate of them. and negotiate with any of them. and when to see the when people start to see the economy which is already by many people's metrics, the or people's metrics, the toilet or potentially people potentially about to be people go don't want go well actually we don't want to to the unions to just give in to the unions can see that they're costing our economy and if the tories economy money and if the tories outlast then they outlast them, then actually they win in no doubt. sunak's already

indicated the prime minister he's going to legislation in the new year that makes it harder to strike at the moment after the tory reforms of the eighties and then subsequently a trade union needs least 50% of its members to out in a strike ballots and then of those who turn out 50% plus one need to vote for the strike otherwise. the strike is illegal . okay. i think sunak's illegal. okay. i think sunak's going to raise the bar. he's going to raise the bar. he's going to raise the bar. he's going to make it harder for trade unions to strike . but he trade unions to strike. but he does have to strike a balance because most people in the british economy, most voters, almost all voters , they have to almost all voters, they have to respect the trade unions to strike. they organised labour is a very noble cause. right. the without organised labour, the living standards committee . but living standards committee. but if it starts to look like a mick lynch project as opposed to even the rail unions, even it's the trade union landscape is very mixed and varied in. this country, even within the rail

unions, the rmt is the most hardline . you've got the t side, hardline. you've got the t side, which is a lot more moderate, unhes which is a lot more moderate, unites there's i'm hearing that unites there's i'm hearing that unite of actually accepted the pay unite of actually accepted the pay deal on that the rail workers at the moment i'm not sure that's confirmed but even if they do because rmt guys there are lots of them in network rail which underpins the service the tracks we'll still the strike action but right yeah the strike action but right yeah the teacher unions are very mixed as there's a lot of shades of grey here and it's going to dominate politics and economics for next at least the next six months. and there is a risk there is a risk of the likes of mick lynch becoming isolated just for that very reason. liam you very much david hagen our economics editor. economics and business editor. right. we patrick right. okay, you all. we patrick christys gb news the christys on gb news the cambridge dictionary has updated christys on gb news the cardefinition ctionary has updated christys on gb news the cardefinition ctiyaiary has updated christys on gb news the cardefinition ctiyaiary has to dated its definition of a woman to include who like as include anyone who like as female their sex at female regardless their sex at birth . oh, i am now then a woman birth. oh, i am now then a woman who likes headlines . good

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okay. ladies and gentlemen, welcome to your daily of madness because the cambridge dictionary updated its definition of what a woman is to include anyone who identifies as female, regardless of their sex at birth, as well as an adult human being. now a woman can also be an adult who lives in as female , though they lives in as female, though they may have been said have a different sex of birth said presumably by scientists. doctors biologists , people with doctors biologists, people with eyes. it has been that the changes have been made after editors looked at how the word was being used across society . was being used across society. and it's created an extra definition . the word which definition. the word which includes transgender people. well, joining me now to share their thoughts on this is debbie hayton , transgender and hayton, transgender teacher and journalist and peter tatchell, lgbt activist. thank you very much, both of you. debbie my concern my concern will be that is slightly sinister elements of this. and then actually now any

particular who decides to particular chap who decides to can there women can say that there are women use that reinforce is by literally a dictionary definition in order to find themselves in things like women's less sinister. like women's or less sinister. i suppose winning women's sports events . well, they can , but events. well, they can, but they've already been able to do that. patrick and you said it before that the dictionary. the dictionary reflects usage. and if the words being used in this in this way, then dictionary is duty bound to actually report it. otherwise you could argue the dictionary is or controlling the dictionary is or controlling the language , whereas all a the language, whereas all a dictionary really does is reflect how that language is being . i suppose that would to being. i suppose that would to the is fair enough for the dictionary to actually change it if . that is just the way the if. that is just the way the word is being used as the question is, should it? well, you lots of new words and definitions are added to dictionaries. definitions are added to dictionaries . the definitions are added to dictionaries. the time based common usage and quite clearly trans and transgender is a term that has usage and many people use the term trans woman or

trans man. so it's quite appropriate that the dictionary includes that . it doesn't mean includes that. it doesn't mean to say, you have to do me with that. but yes, it's just reflecting the reality. well well , well, peter, i'll reflecting the reality. well well, well, peter, i'll just have you on this one, because a lot of people would say it's not reflecting new reality just because this word is being used. it does not actually change what a woman is. is this not why we're on little bit of a grey area when it comes to the dictionary definitions? get dictionary definitions? i get that the word is being that the use, the word is being changed people, changed a lot because people, you know, trans communities, you know, in trans communities, tara. but actually does tara. but but actually the does have to just i would have a duty to just i would argue state fact and oh really let's be honest i mean you know many and women know women they don't . well, look you know the don't. well, look you know the dictionary there as i said , to dictionary there as i said, to reflect common usage and the way in which words are used. the dictionary is not replacing the traditional definition of women. it's adding a new additional definition . and it makes it definition. and it makes it clear that it is, in the case of

a trans woman , a woman who a trans woman, a woman who identify as trans as a woman , identify as trans as a woman, even though she may have been kind a male, definite at birth. so it makes it clear that this is about a personal decision and choice to define oneself different from one's biological sex . i've got that out sex. i've got that out perfectly. debbie, as a transgender teacher, are concerned that the world is becoming an increasingly confusing place for children. you know what? i was six years old or younger, i was probably picking my nose and around, not wearing very many clothes. i think i was 40, speaks volumes to me the most six year old to be very dated so much that i've just been taken off camera. but there we go. debbie do you think actually whether do actually think that it's confusing for children at the moment? think that it's confusing for children at the moment ? well children at the moment? well world is a confusing place, but it's our job as adults and as

it's ourjob as adults and as teachers to explain the world clearly to children, to divide, to separate fact from fantasy and to tell children teach children what it means to be human and what it means to live in the world. going back to the dictionary , the dictionary is dictionary, the dictionary is one of the tools which we would we would use to show that there are different uses of . just to are different uses of. just to back to what said though is that the first definition is adult human , female human being. that human, female human being. that remains at the top of the list . remains at the top of the list. if that comes down the list or it's replaced that's when i would get concerned. yeah. okay. and peter, just on the wider of women's rights. yes the dictionary definition. now and a lot of women are angry about it. they do as though that. right. so their very existence is being eroded by virtue of the fact maybe being adult human maybe just being an adult human female being is not enough to be a woman. think there's a woman. they think there's a lot to than that. peter lot more to than that. peter some people say that maybe some people would say that maybe people such yourself care people such as yourself care more about trans than more about trans rights than women's that true ?

women's rights. is that true? absolutely you know, i've been championing women's rights as. an for 50 plus years and i still continue do so. i would say this you know, they're going to have their own changing rooms. peter biological sex is a reality. so is trans identity that they're not the same but are two different realities and i think both are valid and both should be accepted and respected . i be accepted and respected. i think, you know, live and let live , you know, a trans woman is live, you know, a trans woman is not the same as an anonymous woman. they are two different people. but that equally valid. and they should have the same respect and acceptance . debbie, respect and acceptance. debbie, i'll let you elaborate on what peter said. the i just want make the observation actually that we're again three males talking about women's rights but that interesting. debbie, can i ask you on this. yeah but debbie can i ask on this does does the really fascinating thing and i am acutely whenever i discuss this kind of stuff, i as this kind of stuff, i feel as though i'm treading some kind of

very . right. debbie , very clumsy. right. but debbie, you yourself you have described yourself there as a man. would you ever describe yourself as a woman ? describe yourself as a woman? well think it's what we mean by descriptor and how we describe ourselves. i describe myself as male because it's a biological fact. male because it's a biological fact . right. male because it's a biological fact. right. but male because it's a biological fact . right. but then male because it's a biological fact. right. but then this is the thing for me when i look at this definition in the dictionary right now, where i struggle, get my head around it, where it does say that. so people don't identify as female, though they been said to though they may been said to a different sex at and that really is the bit me that course because it is a biological it's not may have been said to have a different sector but they were born when the particular sex debbie. yeah. that definition is very clumsy . although i defended very clumsy. although i defended the dictionary's right to reflect usage. the definition of use incredibly clumsy. they could perhaps have talked about perception , how people are perception, how people are perceived, but somebody who is perceived, but somebody who is perceived to be female? perhaps would have been better .

perceived to be female? perhaps would have been better. yeah. okay. and peter i'll just. i'll not know that it says debbie was making the point that, you know, as it's almost like a joke, doesn't it? you know, three blokes walk into bar with blokes walk into a bar with three chatting about the three blokes chatting about the fact you what a fact that, you know, what a woman is, but actually pizza, dinner, you know listen a bit more this. who more to women on this. women who really, do really, really, really do not think that that it should be, as they may say, invaded by people were born of different sex. so safe space is whether or not that's actually prisons or whether not it's that whether or not it's that changing toilets or changing rooms or toilets or or whatever because there are serious issues when it comes to maybe children as well. i'm going to be honest, peter, i'm not a but at the same time i would have an issue if i had a daughter or a young daughter at primary on a boy primary school on a boy was allowed to change changing allowed to change her changing room. have an with room. i would have an issue with that. room. i would have an issue with that . well, you know , the that. well, you know, the surveys are pretty clear that a majority of women, including majority of women, including majority of women, including majority of feminists, do trans rights. they that trans women and trans men should be treated

with dignity . and trans men should be treated with dignity. but and trans men should be treated with dignity . but that's not with dignity. but that's not what i'm asking . does the. hang what i'm asking. does the. hang on. let finish. let me finish . on. let finish. let me finish. then when it comes , the issues then when it comes, the issues you've raised . i'll just give you've raised. i'll just give you've raised. i'll just give you an example . a friend of you an example. a friend of mine, a woman friend , she works mine, a woman friend, she works in a women's centre the north of england. they have accepted trans women in that centre for eight years with the agree of both the staff, the woman the female staff and, the woman users. they've never had a problem. they vet everybody who comes into that centre , they comes into that centre, they check them and they're never had a problem. so you raise hypothetical issues . but the hypothetical issues. but the reality is that most police get along what ? no, no, no. along what? no, no, no. undeniably. but i'm wondering . undeniably. but i'm wondering. whether or not it's a problem that could be avoided. and i am heanng that could be avoided. and i am hearing a lot more cases of people, you know, rape, for example where it's only example, where clearly it's only a man can rape a woman. it's such a because it involves in the legal definition. i think you read headlines about women raping sounds a bit raping and it just sounds a bit ridiculous. but debbie, on that

note, you, ridiculous. but debbie, on that note, you, are note, i final word to you, are you annoyed maybe that sometimes people a discussion people like me a discussion about worst case scenario of about the worst case scenario of stuff, you think conversation stuff, do you think conversation like helps to actually like this helps to actually demonise people? well, demonise trans people? well, i think the conversations we need to have because we do need to consider different consider all the different situations. good to situations. and it's good to about issues . situations. and it's good to about issues. but situations. and it's good to about issues . but quite frankly, about issues. but quite frankly, in everyday life my life doesn't involve trans at all. i go to work as a teacher i teach children, i come home and i make the tea. and that's the reality of for trans people though both of for trans people though both of you. thank you very, very much. always stuff. i really, much. always in stuff. i really, really you the really appreciate you both. the time for us that that was of course debbie and as well peter tatchell right so a spokesperson for cambridge for the dictionary has said all right, let's just carefully study these patterns of the word woman and conclude this definition is one that learn is of english. be aware of to support understanding of how the language is used. the first definition of entry for woman continues be an adult female

human being yes. okay, go and say or dictionaries are written for learners of english and are designed to help users . english designed to help users. english as is usually updated dictionary to reflect changes in our engushis to reflect changes in our english is right okay moving on from that now rmt general secretary mick lynch is due to hold another tomorrow with employers on the government's , employers on the government's, there is little sign of a breakthrough . the bitter row breakthrough. the bitter row more strikes are planned in the coming weeks thing huge disruptions to trains in the busy up christmas. but how busy run up christmas. but how does this impact the hospitality sector because this is it they always bang don't they, about always bang on don't they, about the they're standing always bang on don't they, about the workershey're standing always bang on don't they, about the workershey're andding up for workers rights and i can't help but feel as though actual normal workers are the ones who suffering the most. ones who are suffering the most. they rely hotels. so this they often rely hotels. so this is on prosperous year, is on prosperous times of year, such christmas . now is such as christmas. me now is samuel ard king, who the samuel ard king, who was the director hospitality . director of k on hospitality. thank you very much. how thank you very, very much. how are impacted by are you being impacted upon by the mick, the grinch the likes of mick, the grinch lynch lynch thanks patrick. yeah, i'm to be this week has been really tough for us lost two big corporate private hires which amounted to about

two big corporate private hires which amounted to abou t £50,000 which amounted to about £50,000 in weekend as well in revenue this weekend as well taking a big hit. in revenue this weekend as well taking a big hit . you know taking a big hit. you know there's 30 plus members of staff are on zero contracts that won't be able to get those hours or equally as well get the christmas tips at this time of year which is so important for them. yeah, it's just timing of their losses . yeah. and this their losses. yeah. and this isn't the time with the best bill in the world, with the best in the world, can't afford to strike and can just ask you, i mean i'm not, you know, having a go at you because. my point is that no one can really afford this will be able to give your staff pay increase in line with inflation inflation . well, inflation inflation. well, that's something that we've had to i mean, we've increased our wages we love the living wage , wages we love the living wage, but, you know, we're reviewing this constantly and it's just a constant battle. you know, we have prices up for energy, beer , wine, you name it, everything across the board for the whole business. so you know, our margins are smaller and, you know, the arms the strikes have

now made it even worse for us over the december period. so yeah. yeah. and so if as i suspected, you would already be struggling with the cost of everything else going up as it is everybody he would is for everybody he would already struggling slash it already be struggling slash it completely impossible to give all your staff a pay rise in line with inflation. how do you feel about pay for rail workers? a pay feel about pay for rail workers? a pay rise line with a pay rise in line with inflation? well, look, i respect their and why they're their strikes and why they're ahead, know, there are cost ahead, you know, there are cost of crisis across the of living crisis across the board for . absolutely. everyone board for. absolutely. everyone in country now , you in this country right now, you know, not just the rail know, it's not just the rail workers. respect the workers. so i do respect the reasons why going ahead. but unfortunately it's just the timing of when chose to it. timing of when they chose to it. this is our most busiest year. we were on for a record week. we're now going be absolutely we're now going to be absolutely nowhere and i just feel nowhere that and i just feel like they could have done it next. they wanted to do it now for a big media and they certainly got that but they've really the hospitality industry as a as a as a result. really the hospitality industry as a as a as a result . yeah as a as a as a result. yeah indeed and just to put into a better context, right . the

better context, right. the difficult couple of years that presumably you have had, we could identify chris and how important this year was for you . yeah, absolutely and it's been an extreme a difficult year for everyone else . you know, there's everyone else. you know, there's been a shortage. we've had coronavirus , we've had pretty coronavirus, we've had pretty much every battle we could face. and, you know, the last two or three years have been nothing like the one before. i've worked in this industry. like the one before. i've worked in this industry . and so to have in this industry. and so to have this at time of year was it this at this time of year was it was a big in the teeth for fun, totally honest. yeah, exactly. and ordinary working people will be a of this. can be suffering as a of this. can i ask , who do you blame? do blame ask, who do you blame? do blame the government. do you blame mick lynch. i blame mick mick lynch. i don't blame mick lynch. i don't mean the rmt . i lynch. i don't mean the rmt. i think there is certainly something government has to be done, but it just seems like didn't do enough at this point once again to help the hospitality industry. so i would just seem to be a sector that was left in this alone just when the news broke. it was a couple of days of going out to party

broke on this show apparently the we understand that some the rmt we understand that some unions this unions have actually taken this offer to be officially offer yet to be officially confirmed back dated pay rise confirmed a back dated pay rise of 5% from last january. a pay rise of 4% from this january onwards, plus jobseeker and say job security until 2025. do you wish they had just stood up and taken that offer? some people think i was a crooked offer, but from being selfish. absolutely, yes. course, you know, it would have us without hugely have helped us without us hugely . all right. well, look, good luck to you liz is hospitality isn't it? and i really do have the you not just survive but thrive over the course of the coming weeks and months. good to you. samuel king now is director origin hospitality someone who is surviving and thriving is michelle joins michelle dewberry and she joins us dewbs& co next in she us for dewbs& co next in she joins right michelle, joins me right now. michelle, how are you? excellent, thank actually, it's almost christmas. so how we anything other than so how we be anything other than excellent this time of year, isn't it ? well, it is, yes. isn't it? well, it is, yes. what's going on, michel? isn't it? well, it is, yes. what's going on, michel ? well, what's going on, michel? well, you me. yeah. going my you got me. yeah. going for my i want to pick up these comments

that want lumley, the that you want lumley, the actress, has made where she's basically that we've all basically saying that we've all pathetic we're pathetic and that we're desperately desire desperately seeking this desire to be victims . and i wonder, is to be victims. and i wonder, is that true ? you are so many that true? you are so many people just addicted . the notion people just addicted. the notion of being victims , is it an of being victims, is it an excuse for things it weak? is it pathetic? as she says ? is that a pathetic? as she says? is that a little bit harsh ? want to pick little bit harsh? want to pick up a conversation i had yesterday? well, on phone banks, i making the point, patrick that i making the point, patrick that i think that every day you hear the sentence is like nurses having food banks having to rely on food banks food popping up every food banks popping up on every single corner is this kind of a situation that has been weaponised right now. is there a situation or a reason that anyone that's owning above average wage in this country should have to on a food bank? so i want to get into what's going on there . and i also want going on there. and i also want to about that definition of to talk about that definition of the woman is , that right or the word woman is, that right or not. and first tribunal has now that care home workers that fired some of their staff refusing the covid vaccine were

right to do so i found fascinating so i want to get into that as. well, michel, thank you very much. has another rip roaring show to . greet our rip roaring show to. greet our viewers and our listeners. thank you have been you very right. you have been with patrick christie. with me, patrick christie. i will be back again tomorrow o'clock tomorrow , o'clock o'clock tomorrow, o'clock tomorrow from 3:00. there you go. and hopefully i'll be a bit lively. thank you very much, everybody it's a very i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office. more cold and frosty weather come through the rest of this week. there are signs a change as we go through the weekend. and still icy ends in places this places some snow falling this area of low pressure never quite it in got some warm air it in that's got some warm air but heading towards us but it's heading towards us we've got the northerly we've still got the northerly winds snow across winds bringing more snow across northern although the northern scotland, although the winds are now easing just a little bit, particularly for shetland. but with more snow showers coming in here, a mix of rain, sleet and snow showers for northern and quite northern ireland. and quite funny. thought we're funny. and i thought we're missing actually missing a trick. actually analyse we did the other analyse what we did the other day yes, i with day about sneezing. yes, i with

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hello there 6:00 michelle dewberry and is dewbs& co the show that we'll get into? so some of the things that have got you talking today, i'll tell you, got joanna lumley talking, you, got joanna lumley talking, you know, the for pop she you know, the for my pop she reckons we've got a problem victimhood in this country she reckons we're turning into a nafion reckons we're turning into a nation of pathetic people see how desperately something to feel . you know wherever pressure feel. you know wherever pressure and this this is a problem that's the problem. he's abused me this that there is a do you agree with her? are we a bit a pathetic nation or not? and you

know my show, don't