sunday good evening . after more deaths good evening. after more deaths in the english channel today , in the english channel today, i'm going to ask the question how many more deaths does it take before we actually take responsibility ourselves for what is going on in the english we'll talk debate that get views on it, too. we'll look at the sheer number of migrants that have now gone missing from hotels all over the country , we hotels all over the country, we look at an opinion poll that suggests tories could be down to 69 seats at the next election . 69 seats at the next election. seriously, is westminster taking this polling, abandoning ward thomas, entrepreneur joins me on

talking pints somebody who himself all of us became ensnared as a people trafficker against his will but all of that let's get the news with polly middle east . nigel, thank you middle east. nigel, thank you and good evening, you. well, within the last hour, a six year old boy has become the fourth child to die after falling into an icy lake in solihull at the weekend . the little boy had been weekend. the little boy had been fighting for his life in hospital since being rescued . hospital since being rescued. bob smith lake . in a statement, bob smith lake. in a statement, west midlands said they cannot comprehend . the enormity of the comprehend. the enormity of the pain the families must feel. they also confirm that searches of lake have now been completed and in other news today on gb news, the man who murdered a law graduate in east london in, june, has been sentenced to life in to serve a minimum of 38

years. jordan pleaded guilty to the murder of zara olina, but refused leave his cell for sentencing, saying he didn't want to watch video evidence of his actions. mcsweeney was caught on cctv following at least two other women before attacking her as she walked home from a night out in ilford. attacking her as she walked home from a night out in ilford . gb from a night out in ilford. gb news has been told up to four people may still be missing in the english channel after a small capsized there in the icy .four small capsized there in the icy . four people died and 43 others were rescued after to cross the channel this morning the search operation is expected to until at least 9:00 tonight. the home secretary saying the tragedy shows how important it is to introduce new legislation to stop the crossings . around half stop the crossings. around half of britain's rail lines have been closed today . rmt members been closed today. rmt members staged their second day of strikes across country. thousands of workers at network rail and i4 train companies walked out leaving some parts

the uk with no train services at all. it's all part of a long running dispute over pay jobs conditions and comes after the rmt rejected a pay offer of a 5% rise. this year, with another 4% next year . six chinese next year. six chinese officials, including the consul general, have been removed from the uk over an incident involving a hong kong pro protester, bob chan was demonstrating near the grounds of the consulate in manchester when he was attacked october. the foreign secretary james cleverly said the government made clear china must take action against diplomats. made clear china must take action against diplomats . you're action against diplomats. you're up to date on online and dab+ radio with gb news where now it's radio with gb news where now wsfime radio with gb news where now it's time for fast . it's time for fast. just before 3 am. this morning, about miles south of dungeness ,

about miles south of dungeness, something very badly went wrong to a vessel that was crossing engush to a vessel that was crossing english channel. it was one of the flimsy built migrant . the flimsy built migrant. whether there was a collision of some kind with another , we don't some kind with another, we don't know. that's speculation . what know. that's speculation. what we do know is that somebody on that boat , a we do know is that somebody on that boat, a phone call to an organisation called utopia 56, who are the french of care for calais? i i'm not going to go into the role these ngos play in the migrant today. i don't think that would be appropriate . but that would be appropriate. but it is interesting that that was the first phone call was made . the first phone call was made. then at 257, the french coast guard was alerted that a boat with up 50 people on it was in serious trouble. the scramble began. lifeboats from dover and were sent the helicopter as rescue from lydd was sent another was sent up from a silent border force was scrambled a royal naval vessel went to the scene. the french also sent over a helicopter. as

it out there were people in water. we know for certain that four have died. another four perhaps even more , are missing. perhaps even more, are missing. as i speak you now, but of course, with absolutely no chance of having survived a long day , the english channel in the day, the english channel in the middle of december , i have to middle of december, i have to say , i'm not at the least bit say, i'm not at the least bit surprised by crossing at night busy shipping lanes. it's a very dangerous . busy shipping lanes. it's a very dangerous. the busy shipping lanes. it's a very dangerous . the miracle was that dangerous. the miracle was that a british scalloping boat was very, very close by at 3:00 this morning and picked up at least of those on board that angling vessel had not been the case. well i shudder to think what the number really would have been. whose fault is all of this? well, it's too easy, isn't it, to blame the french to blame the traffickers. you can, even if you want, blame the migrants themselves. no. isn't it time that we took responsibility ? that we took responsibility? this. the reason those people

died in the english channels today is because we are allowing them to the english channel. and once they're here, there is virtually zero prospect of them being sent back. and it's all well and good for sunak to stand up with this statement yesterday and suella braverman today . but and suella braverman today. but we've heard it all before , and we've heard it all before, and none of it has made any . my none of it has made any. my question to you is how many have to die in the english channel before we face up to responsibilities and do something . let me know your something. let me know your views, please . to farage at gb views, please. to farage at gb news dot uk. now we were the first media organisation to break the news of this story this morning. hours ahead of many of our rivals and mark white, our home affairs and security editor, has been in all day and sent comprehensive report . just 13 months after 27 report. just 13 months after 27 migrants drown in the english channel migrants drown in the english channel, another tragedy unfolding offshore for the sound

of helicopters filling the nights sky as coast guard and ambulance assets scramble to the scene. there were dozens of people in the water after their small migrant boat got into difficulties lifeboats? border and royal navy vessels , along and royal navy vessels, along with our french counterpart , with our french counterpart, converged on an area about eight miles off the kent coast . back miles off the kent coast. back in dover , ambulances were on in dover, ambulances were on standby in the harbour to receive the casualties . as the receive the casualties. as the morning progressed , the worst morning progressed, the worst possible news with the confirmation of fatalities . the confirmation of fatalities. the bodies brought back to as the home secretary addressed parliament on another tragedy. authorities had long warned about. authorities had long warned about . these are the days that about. these are the days that we dread crossing the channel in unseaworthy vessels is a lethality dangerous and dover is

it is for this reason above all that we are working so hard to destroy the business of the people smugglers . evil destroy the business of the people smugglers. evil organised criminals to treat human beings as cargo . even as the massive as cargo. even as the massive air and search operation continued , uk and french continued, uk and french authorities had to respond to several other small boat sightings picking up and transfer . sightings picking up and transfer. bring hundreds of migrants to dover as the criminal gangs took full advantage of calmer weather conditions . the channel. the conditions. the channel. the brutal treats as well as the criminal gangs have made from those lives that were lost today . they have profited as people have drowned day after , day, have drowned day after, day, week after week . gangs are week after week. gangs are putting lives at risk for money . this latest tragedy came less than a day after the prime minister announced a new multi—prong plan he hoped would

help reduce the number of small boat crossings . although the boat crossings. although the authorities in france , the uk, authorities in france, the uk, have long warned about the of trying to negotiate english channelin trying to negotiate english channel in a flimsy small inflatable. there is no end to the number of people who seem to be willing to take that risk . as be willing to take that risk. as far as the criminal gangs are concerned . well they are not concerned. well they are not going to stop what is a lucrative multi—million criminal enterprise even in these winter the channel migrants keep coming whenever criminal gangs see a weather window, they will launch en masse . french beaches and. en masse. french beaches and. sadly, individual triage ities will do nothing to , deter them. will do nothing to, deter them. marco scheidt gb news dover. well that was quite a moment. what is still in dover? the evening mark. thank you for joining us. looking somewhat cold obviously from that has any

more really come light about what caused this problem in the first place? no, there there's no words at all about what that cause may have been . certainly cause may have been. certainly looking at some of the footage that's been doing the rounds, showing the boat out there looked partially inflated . that looked partially inflated. that deflated. i should whether that was an issue whether it was the wake of one of these big ships, as you know, of course, this very busy shipping lane, a flimsy boat like that can easily be and potentially capsize by the week of a boat, especially at night, when you don't see. these waves coming towards you. we just don't know at this stage what we can see in terms the search operation that is continuing . we're told it will continuing. we're told it will continue until at least 9 pm. this evening and they fear that there may be at least another four people who are missing. there, of course, this long

after that incident first unfolded, there is no hope of finding them alive after such a long time immersed in very cold water. but still, the forced the lifeboats . other rescuers are lifeboats. other rescuers are out there along with local fishing boats , doing their best fishing boats, doing their best to try to find those who are still missing . yeah, but it was still missing. yeah, but it was i before your report was very fortunate that that british boat was as close by as it was at 3:00 this morning. otherwise this could have been a lot, lot worse. and mark apart , from that worse. and mark apart, from that boat that got into distress, there were other fully there were or five other fully loaded boats that came into dover today. and there's no prospect is there that a tragedy like this will stop them coming? i looked the forecast . i looked at the forecast. certainly they're certainly looks calm. they're just to keep coming, aren't they 7 just to keep coming, aren't they ? yeah, i mean, there was a pause. ? yeah, i mean, there was a pause . the deaths of 27 pause. the deaths of 27 confirmed. actually, it was in thirties. those who had died

some 13 months ago in the channel pause for reflection, people thinking, well, maybe this might some impact on those criminal gangs, on people willing to take that risk. but it didn't make any difference. it's far too lucrative for criminal gangs, as we know, nigel , criminal gangs, as we know, nigel, making many millions of on a good week. and as for the people will clearly they're determined get here they're willing to take that risk with their in crossing this very busy shipping lane. and we've seen as well of course during the winter months in the last couple of years that no, they're willing to over in these very unpredictable weather conditions dunng unpredictable weather conditions during winter where you can get a week of bad weather and maybe one or two days where it's common off, and sometimes is only just calm enough or , not only just calm enough or, not even quite calm enough , they'll even quite calm enough, they'll still push the boat side. and the danger, of course , is that the danger, of course, is that the danger, of course, is that the people build up. our producers been across on the other side of the channel just

recently. there was some 6000 people in makeshift around the dunkirk area . not to mention dunkirk area. not to mention carly just waiting for their turn to get across. so the second they get calm, weather , second they get calm, weather, these boats surge out en masse across the channel there's very little the french could do about . and once they're in the water, they're route here. i'd provide nothing happens in of you know , nothing happens in of you know, an unforeseen event they'll make it to uk waters they'll get accepted into the asylum system and as you mentioned in your introduction they'll be for many, many months if not years years . but many, many months if not years years. but what many, many months if not years years . but what good work for many, many months if not years years. but what good work for us today down there in dover. thank you. we'll speak to you again. ivan samson, immigration lawyer, a friend of the programme. how many have to die before we take responsibility ? this. it's responsibility? this. it's shocking and what's worse is that it could have been avoided if . there were safe legal routes if. there were safe legal routes to come here. now, if you look

at the trends , about 70% of at the trends, about 70% of those people in the boats were genuine asylum coming from countries like iraq, eritrea and iran. and they've gone through a perilous journey to get here. now, the only they could get to the uk was through these means because you have be in the uk to claim asylum . those are our claim asylum. those are our rules . but even the archbishop rules. but even the archbishop of canterbury in his speech last friday said there is a limit to how many we can take. we have in the last year incredibly generous as a country to people from hong from afghanistan from ukraine. we have a chronic social housing shortage, let alone the hopes of anyone getting a gp appointment in this country . you know, it's all well country. you know, it's all well and good saying. those that come from countries are from war torn countries are genuine but i mean , genuine refugees. but i mean, the unhcr say there are 80 million people in that category. you know, we have to put some caps on this that way we can. but the problem is, is that if we on it and we have we put caps on it and we have another ukraine, what do we do? what do we tell, the ukrainians

who come here if we who wanted to come here if we reach limit already, would reach our limit already, would we ukrainians? we welcome the ukrainians? i'm sorry, are difficult. sorry, but these are difficult. come are come over these these are difficult issues . it has to be difficult issues. it has to be fluid asylum to be fluid to deal with the current crises around the world. you can't writers on the world. you can't writers on the channel it's in the interests of all of us so people stop dying in the english channel think that's should be pretty everybody pretty clear and do everybody jonathan this member of parliament the stoke trent parliament the stoke on trent this afternoon put up a private member's bill that said that we should deport people where they here illegally. clearly was referring mostly to the albanians but not just to the albanians but not just to the albanians . we should just ignore albanians. we should just ignore the ecj . ah, in these the ecj. ah, in these circumstances it was rumoured that boris johnson was , although that boris johnson was, although he wasn't when he was pm. seems to me i by the way, jonathan god is his attempt was smashed down by parliament almost immediately. to me , immediately. it seems to me, ivan, that unless we get changes to the legislation, whether it's changes to the modern slavery act , whether it's changes to the act, whether it's changes to the human rights act, whether it's

disregarding or leaving eci, unless get those things, this unless we get those things, this isn't going to stop it. no, i agree. but are you aware that we already have to certify asylum claims that we could actually turn them around and i4 claims that we could actually turn them around and 14 days? yeah. so why we do it? because we don't have the resources, the training. and you mentioned the national referral mechanism . national referral mechanism. that's a problem because the asylum claim is certified find asylum claim is certified find as clearly unfounded and they can be removed to albania . they, can be removed to albania. they, the albanians are claiming traffic, they're being trafficked. that's because of a poorly drafted piece of legislation by theresa may in 2015 and also because police are incompetent to properly investigate . they should be one investigate. they should be one unit to do both things and you should be a certified post this asylum claim and the trafficking at the same time start to finish . and albania should spend no more than days in the uk. . and albania should spend no more than days in the uk . we've more than days in the uk. we've had these powers since 1996.

albania has been on the white list since 2004. the laws there okay so the laws they're oh we don't have between in the home office the immigration authorities we haven't got the resources the will. nigel i was in court and the legal person here representing he's married a position i guess do you think the home office even turned up to court? no, they didn't respond to any of our queries, any our correspondence, and nobody turned up to court yesterday. the judge was wondering where are you? and that's a we're in at the moment not fit for purpose. an absentee immigration lawyer friend of this that we are, ivan, says when comes to the albanians, we have all the laws, all the powers we we're just not powers we need. we're just not using them. they're a debt that we need . break.

i asked the question, how many deaths does it take in the engush deaths does it take in the english channel before we actually act ? one viewer says actually act? one viewer says none. we need just to set up safe routes . what's the point? safe routes. what's the point? ivan samson was really kev says . they're more concerned with making it. safer for them to get here than actually stopping them coming . another side of is like coming. another side of is like america they really care children are found abandoned in the desert , but biden doesn't the desert, but biden doesn't care . it is remarkable that care. it is remarkable that biden was just last week in arizona, but refused to visit the border. and i'll take one more. judy says , you would think more. judy says, you would think they'd have acted after the last tragedy in the channel. and yet here we are . and you know what, here we are. and you know what, folks ? about 5000 people have folks? about 5000 people have drowned in the mediterranean since 2015, but the eu done nothing of changed, no rules at all. and still they come every in the hundreds and thousands. i mentioned last night to that 70 child run. suppose deadly age

between four and 17 who were in hotel is in the huv area of sussex had gone missing over the course of the last 18 months. add to that the 39 children who've gone missing under the care of kent authorities and they roughly represent 20% of they roughly represent 20% of the children taken into care the total number across the country for the last year or so . i've for the last year or so. i've got a guesstimate 250 some thing like that . the hell is actually like that. the hell is actually going on. well i couldn't think of anybody better to join me on this subject than former detective with greater manchester police , the woman manchester police, the woman that exposed the horrific rochdale child sex ring. yes, we're joined by maggie oliver. maggie, these numbers on the face of it are shocking virtually media organisation wishes debate it. it seems . what wishes debate it. it seems. what do you make of these numbers and what's going on? good evening,

nigel . i what's going on? good evening, nigel. i think the first thing i'd say is it raises perhaps more questions than it answers , more questions than it answers, because the first thing i would say is if we have got children as young as full going, being put into hotels on their own parents, why on are they being put there ? now, i am a little put there? now, i am a little suspicious whether that is the truth, you know , i've learnt truth, you know, i've learnt over the past couple of years to be very suspicious of what the media very often recalls, but four year olds should not be going into hotel unaccompanied , going into hotel unaccompanied, they should be going into foster placements , into places of placements, into places of safety . but the other thing that safety. but the other thing that comes to mind for me, nigel, is that , you know, i comes to mind for me, nigel, is that, you know, i know comes to mind for me, nigel, is that , you know, i know from comes to mind for me, nigel, is that, you know, i know from my time in the police perhaps is even more prevalent now that many of the young men in particular, who come on the boats , for instance, they will boats, for instance, they will come without a passport. they

will say they are children very often they are not. so when we report children going . it's report children going. it's a very emotive sentence , but i very emotive sentence, but i would question how many of these going missing are actually children going missing? and many are disappearing into aether? for me, it just shows once again how the system is, how neglect runs through it, how the so—called professional are unprepared. these places will attract as well. there are no crb checks. they are not being effectively checked out, so the questions come again and again and we get, you know , a sound and we get, you know, a sound bite today because it is reactive to what happened this week. this isn't just this week. it is not to get better unless they show that state controls . they show that state controls. i'm sure that's right. i've always so sure that, as you say a lot of the so—called children

actually and they've been put in hotels and they've just disappear and got off to join the gangs or it is. however, maggie , what we did notice over maggie, what we did notice over the course of the summer for the first time were young , single first time were young, single females arriving, teenagers arriving through the immigration centre at dover . is it possible centre at dover. is it possible that minors have been removed from these homes and have finished up in sex trade? is it possible and? if it is, how on earth would we find? i think absolutely it's possible. and is the authorities are neglecting their their lawful duty to protect children . i mean, you protect children. i mean, you know, many i don't know the make up of many of the migrants. i know we're being told there are albanians and but, you know, i look at what's going on in the world, look at what's going on in iran, at what's going on in afghanistan with women fighting for their lives, really. so it

isn't beyond the realms of imagination that many of these young women are coming from places like that and they need protection . we have to we have protection. we have to we have to a way to differ unclear between those who are exploited the system and those who really need our help. and at the moment we don't have that differentiation . we just get differentiation. we just get everybody lumped in and nobody seems be taking control and deaung seems be taking control and dealing with the problem the country faces because we can't take in each migrants really. but when somebody is truly fleeing . and abuse or know human fleeing. and abuse or know human rights contraventions we know we do have a moral duty to take care of them and it's a children thatis care of them and it's a children that is even more important . i that is even more important. i think the system needs to really get a grip . well oliver thank

get a grip. well oliver thank you for your contribute to this debate. we're going to keep our fiercely on this live. any of you out there gb viewers, gb news listeners have any information about what may may be happening? some of these children , please get in touch children, please get in touch with us asap . in a moment, with us asap. in a moment, a shocking piece of polling came out overnight suggesting the tories could be down to 69 seats after the next election. how seriously is westminster taking all of this back that. in a couple of minutes .

well, some remarkable polling out overnight right now. do we believe it or don't we? it's suggested it's a entercom razor , you know, absolutely legitimate polling company suggested the tories could collapse down to 69 seats. and i wonder just how seriously all this stuff is being taken in

that building that's just behind us in the studio there, says the editor of the telegraph, chris joins us. chris when people see these polls , what do they think? these polls, what do they think? what do they say ? i think that's what do they say? i think that's a that's a massive exaggeration. that's 70 commas poll. i mean, 69, please. no way . a more 69, please. no way. a more challenging for labour is how they win 124 seats to get there. one seat majority in the commons. sense that i think the movement by sunak on immigration may be enough as far as you want to see it. nigel i do think that is going towards where the public, i think, can sort out immigration over the next or four months for you and then and then taxation towards election a more of a chance the tories i think numbers back towards them. okay but conservatives okay but if the conservatives once again promise will sort the engush once again promise will sort the english channel out once again don't run yet again ? they've don't run yet again? they've raised expectations and not the tories. but i think sunak personally has done that . he personally has done that. he announced that yesterday himself , the house of commons, his soames home suella braverman was

two steps along, wasn't even in the so—called doughnut around round sunak. she was nowhere near the this is a number ten policy a were if or falls on him the he is he won a lot of credibility through the furlough scheme when he said millions of jobs probably by spending the money and how much of it would win on fraud. well yes. but at the time work out it and in the time did work out it and in the time did work out it and in the final hours is something you know the telegraph but euro i know the telegraph but euro i know the telegraph but euro i know the time but my point you is this much is just funny money is this much is just funny money is easy. stopping things happening hard and immigration was hard him i but was really hard him i think. but as a national leader at a time when we're facing a number of cnses when we're facing a number of crises strikes the economy the migrant situation deaths in the channel today all of these things. yes he appears at dispatch box once a week where. else is he is almost invisible. he's in one tweet today, which is a bit more than, you know, few of the fewer than you, but one a day. i mean, he's barely barely there . he's not past just barely there. he's not past just his unwanted of 49 days as prime

minister. that was on and we're looking forward. anthony we're planning well we're here we're being they're to do some being they're going to do some big right now announcing big sunak right now announcing of stands for because no of what he stands for because no one he's a manager one really knows he's a manager he's good at managing the country. but then is keir starmer and he's shown competency the pounds recovered the dollar . what else competency the pounds recovered the dollar. what else is that. what where is how do you get how do you feel the pain of rising some and that's just see it quick see it listen to a quick clip keir starmer at the dispatch box at pmqs today . mr. dispatch box at pmqs today. mr. speaker nurses going on strike it's a badge . shame for this it's a badge. shame for this government and instead showing leadership. he's playing games , leadership. he's playing games, people's health and there is a human cost cost . well, i don't human cost cost. well, i don't know, chris. not a labour supporter, never have been. but does look quite chirpy, doesn't he starmer does i think he in a in a in a box to call at the moment as competency returns the

tory government what starmer offering he's offering a lot of the same that that sunak offers. he's a new person different face but really it's the same offer. i thought the attacks on non—dom status removing that child . status are removing that child. 2 billion spent on nurses as a cheap line he's been pressing for months i think starmer it needs to find a new narrative to try hit the government because there's no fresh ideas . no there's no fresh ideas. no ideas, really. but i do think sunakis ideas, really. but i do think sunak is to be in hiding, you know, easing busy, rishi, whatever call, he's whatever you call, he's not. maybe feels that we've had maybe he feels that we've had too much tories we had lot too much tories and we had lot of tories on your program and elsewhere happening over the past to retreat. past year, talking to retreat. but think we are in but i do think that we are in mid term the view in the mid term the view is in the closed polls is the don't knows are mainly tory don't knows if they can decide oh the tories are back business they might come towards the government come back towards the government might but some might might not quite is there and i'm quite reform is there and i'm not sure let's just you're the president we come. well i'm president when we come. well i'm the president when you the honorary president when you come back you digitise come back they want you digitise to a great job. job

to dig a great job. good job having so here at jobs. having so much here at jobs. a brief tour the here at gb brief tour of for the here at gb news. is reform being taken as a threat? yeah i mean it's threat? it yeah i mean it's probably a 9.10 points if those numbers moved across where numbers moved across to where the then they'd be ten the tories then they'd be ten points behind mid—term. that is to so there's to overturn that. so there's a thyssen your is sitting there as a threat is poland trying to pull it should pulling to a party right was where the votes are. i think what i take from this conversation about what's really going on inside corridors of power is that sunak to step up to the rather more. he up to the plate rather more. he does. can't assume that does. he can't assume that he's going fourth next going to be fourth next election. do think boris election. i do think boris johnson there. he's earned johnson is there. he's earned his pounds today, he his million pounds today, if he can. the key, the next can. i think the key, the next big staging post is the 7000 seats up for grabs in the may elections 4000. the tories, if they take next july could they take their next july could be a big time tory leadership contest and to bombshell be by oh no not another one as they say. couple of quick thoughts on other things. today we found out is a real what the france moment we found out that there were no

arrests of any england or welsh football fans at the world cup. kids are that it all very good natured no i'm not one who thinks we should restrict people to having a drink and having fun . but mark that the contra with what happened outside wembley stadium or the final of the euros against italy last year. but it's quite a contrast my final little thought ngozi fulani you know i talked about her well because i found out after i'd done my a couple of weeks ago that actually she her real name is marlene headley. she's actually born to west indian parents, but is now to tell us that she's from heritage. and that's how she dresses her charity sister space is being looked at by the charities , it would appear charities, it would appear whilst doesn't pay her a particularly big salary to have really rather large expenses and the greater london authority are worried is the money that they've given to her charity sister space has it actually

been used appropriately. we'll wait and we'll find out what the charities have to say. but know what in this country, in life, if put your head up over parapet. if you choose to get in a big public row, you better make sure you better make that your cupboard is clean. now, since may say there is no problem and that may well be the case. but it's a lesson to any of out there who think going out for your 15 minutes of fame will come free. i promise you, from my own experiences , it does not. my own experiences, it does not. at the moment it'll be talking pints. i'll be joined by anthony ward thomas , somebody who worked ward thomas, somebody who worked in the same industry me, but went to become an in went on to become an in incredibly successful business. but he also became a people trafficker by accident all of that in a couple of moments .

it's that time of the day. yes really is. it's time for talking pies. i'm joined by anthony ward thomas, entrepreneur as they welcome to the program. thank you very much. now we turn the clock back 40 years. we were both working for companies on the london metal exchange and i stayed there for 20 years. and then went on did politics but somehow commodity broking wasn't quite for you wasn't i. well mathematic i struggled but also behaviour left a little bit to behaviour left a little bit to be desired. i was dismissed for taking my clothes off during the christmas party which which was a blessing really. because opened the door for me to actually explore something completely different . so from completely different. so from those days stripping off for the christmas party i mean i wouldn't have thought that was a sacking offence was it. no. but

it had something to do with fire extinguisher. so the chap who was so it was, it was frowned upon by the management at the time . but in hindsight it's time. but in hindsight it's probably the best thing i ever did and it's when people get sacked now life, you know that down depressed. i think the all over and it actually it is true isn't it. that one door closes. oh yeah . mean i wasn't down or oh yeah. mean i wasn't down or depressed. i was a little surprised that their sense of humour wasn't the same mine, but actually , you know, it did. it actually, you know, it did. it it very much forced me to think what am i going to do that that's going to be able to afford to educate my that i was never had then but live a life where i'm not relying on a low ceiling and to be your own boss ispeak ceiling and to be your own boss i speak well to be my own boss. it's also of those things that some people are unemployable and

it's not necessarily failing, but it is realisation and when you realise that you're unemployable, yeah you have to then you bullet and do . i felt then you bullet and do. i felt that for many myself so i've been how do you get into a business like removals and it's you know it's a house removal is it's office removals of relocate opfions it's office removals of relocate options why not business it's a simple business if i said academic i'm simply qualified i didn't get to university or anything like that . and i looked anything like that. and i looked at it thinking, well, you know what? what's a simple business? funerals take hole, put someone in it or burn them or move a from one house to another. what could ? be more simple than that. could? be more simple than that. well, i chose moving of the sofa from my last and. ultimately, it is that simple . but when you get is that simple. but when you get to the size that we are now in moving many sofas to many houses , many vehicles and actually by dint of its size becomes more

complicated . you go into that complicated. you go into that business but there are already loads of firms in that business. what gave you the edge what was the gap that you saw? we moved the gap that you saw? we moved the sofa more nicely than the other competition . other competition. notwithstanding, we didn't train it, we didn't break it, we didn't scratch walls. so we just up game a little bit. we just up the stand a little bit to the point well. now i believe that our standards are now copied and emulated by most of the industry because we really did we very much treated every job and every individual and every piece of furniture as . if it was individual and every piece of furniture as. if it was us and you got a variety of companies now under this umbrella. yeah, yeah. have and we have actually. what thomas ozon, madam van gentleman and van and bishopsgate , which is bishopsgate, which is a commercial , bishopsgate, which is a commercial, commercial business and revenues of revenues of tens of millions a year sales year were 47 million. so it's yeah

it's . a medium sized business it's. a medium sized business and some famous yeah we we've got some very famous customers i remember mostly are our piers morgan being one of them. oh you the competition and boris what are your firm's moves as best johnson. yeah and the archbishop of canterbury right . which was a of canterbury right. which was a nice move some of the aussies who were on the job didn't really quite get who he was allies that he obviously done well because he had a big house just across the road but is actually literally with a 150 yards away since saying isn't it so presumably your high end you're giving a good product that means you charge a price that means you charge a price thatis that means you charge a price that is commensurate with that yeahi that is commensurate with that yeah i think high end is a slightly whatever it's the word i use because it rather pigeonholes i think really us pay pigeonholes i think really us pay is honesty integrity and trust and people for that you know high end as i said slightly

people with of money but you know you've got they've got to be able to trust a bunch of perfect strangers to walk into their and not check everything. yeah yeah, but things must go wrong sometimes they do , but wrong sometimes they do, but that's fine . so i mean, the that's fine. so i mean, the removes bad and things going wrong. it's sort of almost the stuff of sort of carry on films really. i you know, back in the day i was on the lorries myself. plenty of things got got wrong. i moved a the chap who designed bedford theatre and he had a balsa wood model of bedford which was beautifully made . i which was beautifully made. i ran it over and squashed and i was so and i went up to him and i said, look, rodrick, i showed him this was just left of me. he said, i never got the job anyway. so sometimes it works out best. i'm fascinated by the job in europe and calais and you

could have become a people trafficker, couldn't you? well, i was a we did have a little bit of people experience about ten years ago when one of our vehicles came back from, france came into the yard . there was a came into the yard. there was a noise inside the vehicle and lo and behold, we opened it up. and there were about ten or 15, as many as ten or 15 lads who actually turned out that they were from iraq . the police were from iraq. the police turned up , were from iraq. the police turned up, put were from iraq. the police turned up , put them were from iraq. the police turned up, put them in were from iraq. the police turned up , put them in handcuffs turned up, put them in handcuffs for only a very short period of time. they then handcuffed them gave them ten quid and an address in. croydon, really, they went yeah. as easy as that. as as that was , it was as easy as as that was, it was as easy as that . i'm not sure they ever as that. i'm not sure they ever got croydon because if you can imagine north london to croydon being an iraqi a friday, it's kind of difficult, you being an iraqi a friday, it's kind of difficult , you know, it kind of difficult, you know, it just you the scale of what's going on out there is probably bigger than any of us realised. and yet you could have faced significant fines for that couldn't you. oh those came in a little bit later where the drivers were, how. yeah. they

all now. well they and they are now and slightly more vigilant in checking their loads but on this particular instance the lorries came back , the padlocks lorries came back, the padlocks were all on the backs, the lawyers up. so we lawyers all locked up. so we still quite know they still don't quite know why they came in. yeah. no, no, but the idea the police turn up and off you go lads, it's just extra french. let them in because it was friday. police wanted to get off. it's friday croydon was closed . it was friday. goodness closed. it was friday. goodness gracious me. and was the i you know, you're an entrepreneur , know, you're an entrepreneur, you're somebody that wanted to work for yourself you had ambition . you're not alone. ambition. you're not alone. there are many millions of people in this country, about five and a half million people in this country, who act as sole traders , run their own traders, run their own businesses , are their own businesses, are their own bosses, don't get sick pay, don't get the benefits of being employed, but it because it either as you said for you suits their personality gives them a bigger ambition . but i'm just bigger ambition. but i'm just looking at the advice arrangement for poor getting

started on their own right now we've got in a few weeks time we've got in a few weeks time we've got in a few weeks time we've got corporation tax going up significantly we've dividend income going up significantly which is how both directors of small companies pay themselves no relaxation of ir35 are we sending all the wrong signals ? sending all the wrong signals? oh it's difficult. one that really i just think it starts than that. i think if entrepreneurs or people who want to start their own are looking at those they shouldn't be doing what planning to do. they shouldn't be looking at the negative side of what you've just mentioned . they still must just mentioned. they still must be talking about and wait till that becomes relevant. the trouble with it now is , the trouble with it now is, the barriers to entry, just to even get on are very high costs for the sake of argument. if i had to do my own business. now it started in 1985. the cost of vehicles , cost of licences, cost vehicles, cost of licences, cost hgv operating base professional competence, exam , etcetera, competence, exam, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera i would never

do it if knew what was involved. i'd just would and. i think that puts off a lot of people. a lot of people, yeah. it is difficult. but tell us outside of business and being successful. holzer i of business and being successful. holzeri mean, successful. holzer i mean, you're quite accomplished. i'm jockey.i you're quite accomplished. i'm jockey. i was enormously talented as an amateurjockey . talented as an amateurjockey. in fact , the only one who thinks in fact, the only one who thinks that. in fact, the only one who thinks that . but, in fact, the only one who thinks that. but, you in fact, the only one who thinks that . but, you know, i was in fact, the only one who thinks that. but, you know, i was , i a that. but, you know, i was, i a short stint as big and i was a jockey.i short stint as big and i was a jockey. i finished it off at my last funnily enough was at aintree , the national grand aintree, the national grand national fences. yeah i had two rides there and being in the enormously talented jockey, i fell twice. so i never managed to get round , which is a great to get round, which is a great shame. and sometimes wakes me up in the morning. even now knowing that i'll complete the aintree course. but an exciting thing today , unbelievably exciting today, unbelievably exciting thing to do. and really privileged to be able to work towards that and say you know, when you go to aintree

cheltenham where there's places. yeah of jump i've gone round that , i've gone yeah of jump i've gone round that, i've gone round and people look at me slightly incredulous, i'll go grab most of it. yeah. go. well go on to other a few times. yes. okay. but aintree is a very tough thing you know, i bet it is at the met when you jump bet it is at the met when you jump those it's the jump those fences it's the amount time you spend in the amount of time you spend in the air time to think air because you time to think crisis going hurt difficult crisis is going hurt difficult times but great story. thank you for joining me on talking about. forjoining me on talking about. okay let's go . for barrage the okay let's go. for barrage the pharaoh was the first one is michael asks what's well it's tama government signalled the re—emergence of tony blair do you know what he's re—emerging in politics over the world. the power this man has hundreds of employees grocery revenues last year even bigger than anthonys company . 66 million last year

company. 66 million last year we're told it's all not for profit. yeah. okay, i'm sure. i'm sure. i believe that. look starmer is blair lite. you know, it's not corbyn. it's miles and miles away from that , joe asks miles away from that, joe asks me, could the survive a le pen presidency ? i sense it may well presidency? i sense it may well be coming . think that the be coming. think that the populism saw in 16 or brexit and trump happened relatively benign economics. i it could be even bigger in the years to come. a le pen may well win as businessman. the brexit referendum . well, which way did referendum. well, which way did go? well, funnily enough, actually voted to leave the eu. but not for the common reasons that most people saying i voted to leave. so the whole thing would collapse . a french would would collapse. a french would then follow the italians , follow then follow the italians, follow then follow the italians, follow the germans and then reconvene and do it again properly. yeah but it never happened. they never out? no. no way . it were never out? no. no way. it were very much left out in the cold. and i thought you there's so

much wrong with it, but could be so much right with it. well the idea of neighbours cooperating together and being friends makes absolute perfect sense. and the more people trade with each other, the less likely they are to want fight each other. all to want to fight each other. all that sense. it just that makes sense. yeah, it just that makes sense. yeah, it just that was very political, that it was very political, wasn't it? needed to be completely dismantled. and everyone a clean everyone start with a clean sheet start yeah, sheet and start again. yeah, i did. didn't agree with that at did. i didn't agree with that at all. asks, should all. finally, ryan asks, should we worried about the influence of world economic forum of the world economic forum within uk government? look, within the uk government? look, the world economic forum has existed long time, as existed for a very long time, as have bilderberg group and have the bilderberg group and many things. there many of these things. there are. annual will davos annual jamboree will be in davos from the 15th to the 20th of january. that's all the big global leaders get together. and they're friends of the european and the un . actually, i'm and the un. actually, i'm thinking about up myself. yes, i really am about setting up myself. i've may not be very popular, but then after my in the european parliament, i'm used to not being very popular at places where i turn up . i'll at places where i turn up. i'll talk more about the wef over the

course of the next few weeks. i'm done for today. back with you at seven tomorrow. i'm going to hand you over now to mark daly . well, nigel, a really busy daly. well, nigel, a really busy show migrant , so it needs to be show migrant, so it needs to be sorted out within days , not sorted out within days, not weeks or months plus. if rishi sunak can get on top of this, doesit sunak can get on top of this, does it move the dial for him politically ? i'll be taking your politically? i'll be taking your emails . it's politically? i'll be taking your emails. it's all politically? i'll be taking your emails . it's all about that emails. it's all about that migrant crisis. emails. it's all about that migrant crisis . don't go migrant crisis. don't go anywhere. keep it gb news. good evening . welcome to the latest evening. welcome to the latest weather update . me annie weather update. me annie shuttleworth from the met office is staying very over the next few days with further showers and some ice out there as well. it's very cold the moment because we've got this strong feed of arctic air. you can see these blue colours coming down all the way from the north and spreading across the of the uk. so cold air at the moment and that means we'll continue to see some showers pushing in from the north across northern scotland parts northern ireland as well

as north eastern england. so the snow ice warnings out snow and ice warnings out through wednesday night into thursday morning, elsewhere a dry clear but very cold night. another sharp frost out , really another sharp frost out, really down as low as minus seven or on morning. a sharp frost but plenty of dry and bright weather for the bulk of the uk will remain cloudier for northern ireland , northern scotland and ireland, northern scotland and north—east of england as well as we continue to see these snow feed in from the north, we've got a bit more of a breeze out there so it will feel a little bit cooler and expose that we're not much above freezing for many areas . and thursday night we're areas. and thursday night we're going to see those temperatures plummet. plenty of clear spells there for many areas. the showers eventually starting to ease for north eastern parts of scotland . we could see some mr. scotland. we could see some mr. merkel , the southeast, merkel, the southeast, potentially some freezing fog here and snow start to push into the west denials through the early hours of friday it could

be one of the coldest nights of the week on night. we're really getting down low as —15 degrees. now, friday will see quite a lot of bright and sunny weather, but this snow across northern scotland will become dominant, falling as snow to lower levels at first before it starts to fall as rain as we start to see some warmer weather . we approach some warmer weather. we approach the weekend though it will turn wetter and for saturday and sunday .

good evening. you're watching gb news. and our top stories for tonight. and we start with the story concerning the deaths of youngin story concerning the deaths of young in solihull the six year old boy who was hospitalised

after falling into an icy in solihull has died we understand meaning 40 children in total have lost their lives . that have lost their lives. that tragic accident, little boy, had beenin tragic accident, little boy, had been in a critical condition being rescued from the icy waters of babbs mill lake . west waters of babbs mill lake. west midlands police said they couldn't . the enormity of pain couldn't. the enormity of pain the families must be feeling. but further searches of the lake have now been called off . well, have now been called off. well, also in the news this evening, a prolific offender who murdered a graduate in east london , june, graduate in east london, june, has been sentenced to life prison and ordered to serve a minimum of 38 years behind bars . jordan mcsweeney, who'd only released from prison nine days before he killed zara aleena pleaded guilty to her murder. he refused, though, to leave his and attend court for sentencing , saying he didn't want to watch video evidence of his actions . video evidence of his actions. mr. mcsweeney was caught on cctv following other women before attacking the 35 year old as she

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