hello there is 6:00 michelle dewberry and this is dewbs& co of the show where we will get into the things have got you talking you've spoken. i've listened. i've asked you did you want harry and meghan on the roster tonight? 88% of you that responded to my poll said, no, you don't. so tonight are a hitchin and free zone. instead i want to talk about more pressing matters here in this country the boss of iceland the freezing shop not the country that he wouldn't mind paying minister of this country day and got me pondenng this country day and got me pondering the euro so much is in a mess right now isn't strikes here, there and everywhere. the very sad situation of a nurses strike today i'm more business the answer if we had a government that was packed full of them , would we get things of them, would we get things sorted more effectively quicker? better you tell and we might have all seen by now. the amount is the centre of. the 38 years in prison for an awful . we will in prison for an awful. we will have seen this of course because

it was broadcast live on telly vision is divided opinions i'm asking you open justice it's called cameras in courtrooms should we have them on off and also today interest rates are now at their highest level in 40 years. some people are saying is a housing crash around corner. others are saying good. it will be a good thing for this country. would it be you tell me. i want your thoughts on that. and over in new zealand they are going ban cigarette sales for people born after 2008. so i'm that we should copy them and have that as a rule here to really is that what we should be doing banning outlawing cigarettes . hm some of outlawing cigarettes. hm some of your thoughts on that but first of all, let's bring ourselves up to speed. tonight's latest headunes to speed. tonight's latest headlines headlines. good evening from the gb newsroom. i'm tamsin roberts. tens thousands of nurses are taking in the biggest strike in nhs

history. picket lines been set up in england, wales and northern ireland and the first of 212 hour walkouts overpay staff are providing some care. but routine and other planned treatment is disrupted. health steve barclay says the union's call for a 19% pay rise is unaffordable . we recognise the unaffordable. we recognise the huge contribution that we saw from nurses during the pandemic and that's why last year we made and that's why last year we made a special case where nurses an extra 3% when others in the pubuc extra 3% when others in the public sector did not. but we've got to balance that against what is laudable to the wider economy and asking for a 19% pay rise way above . what most viewers way above. what most viewers themselves are receiving is not affordable given the many other economic pressures that we . face economic pressures that we. face well, icu nurse kelly hopkins says they're striking not just for pay, but for their patients

. patients aren't safe. patients get in the care at the moment . get in the care at the moment. two nurses on the wards that cannot deliver that care . we're cannot deliver that care. we're going into hospital . i came into going into hospital. i came into nursing to look my patients to hold hands, to look after them, to wash them, to brush teeth when they're unable to do that. and i can't see that at the because there's not enough staff on the wards network rail workers have voted overwhelmingly to accept a pay offer . it affects around two and offer. it affects around two and a half thousand members of the tsa. rmt remains in a separate dispute with network rail after members rejected an offer earlier this week . travel editor earlier this week. travel editor at the indian and simon calder told us. now the tsa has reached a settlement. it may well lead to the rmt offer being . to the rmt offer being. interestingly, andrew , the chief interestingly, andrew, the chief executive of network rail has

been saying that the outliers in this dispute . now the rmt union, this dispute. now the rmt union, the main rail that it is a good offer relative to what everything else is happening in the in the country and that people should accept it's not going to get any better. but meanwhile, of course, the dispute with the 14 train operators goes on and anybody who's planning to catch a train later this evening. well, do checking the advance meanwhile ground baggage handlers at heathrow airport have suspend ordered planned strike action after an improved pay offer . after an improved pay offer. more than 400 staff members had been set to begin a 72 hour walk out tomorrow . the unite union out tomorrow. the unite union says it will now pilot its members and other planned industrial action remains in place pending . the outcome . the place pending. the outcome. the prime minister is making first trip to northern ireland since taking office. tonight is expected to host informal with

political leaders in an attempt to end stormont suspension. rishi sunak will also use a trip to promote the government's investment in shipbuilding in belfast. he says the to build royal navy support will create thousands of high value jobs. the four boys who died after into a frozen lake in have been named by west midlands police. eight year old finley butler , eight year old finley butler, his six year old brother samuel and their cousin, 11 year old thomas stewart were taken to hospital where they died monday. the fourth child who reportedly tried to save the others has been named as jack johnson , aged been named as jack johnson, aged ten. the families say they are devastated by the of the boys in such tragic . at least 19 such tragic. at least 19 children have now died . the uk children have now died. the uk from strep a since september the uk health security agency says

16 children have died in england and. three other deaths have been recorded in belfast and wales. it's health officials believe the number has not yet peaked. believe the number has not yet peaked . the government has peaked. the government has introduced serious shortage protocols three penicillin medicines so that pharmacists can supply forms to those prescribed authorities are continuing their search for four migrant is believed to be missing after a boat partially in the english . channel. four in the english. channel. four people died when a boat with 47 on board capsized off the kent coast yesterday morning. the leader of kent county council says 12 of those rescued were unaccompanied asylum seeking children who are now in the care of authorities , british of authorities, british officials and lifeboat services, as well as the french navy were all involved in rescue operation . th all involved in rescue operation. th face rates from 3% to 3.5. it's

the highest level in 14 years. and the ninth consecutive hike , and the ninth consecutive hike, the chancellor says he acknowledges times are tough, but that the government working with the bank of england to reduce inflation . the royal reduce inflation. the royal family gathered at westminster abbey evening for a christmas carol hosted by the princess of wales. the together christmas concert is attended . by 1800 concert is attended. by 1800 people in a service recognise the selfless efforts of individuals and families . the individuals and families. the family put on a united front just hours after the second instalment of harry and meghan's netflix docu was released . tv netflix docu was released. tv online and dab+ radio. this gb news now goes back to. michelle

thanks for that awful sad news, isn't it , to see those little isn't it, to see those little boys like that? they're poor whole families? you cannot what they must be feeling in the run up to christmas . there's little up to christmas. there's little boys rest in peace. i'm with you through until 7:00 this evening. keeping me company. through until 7:00 this evening. keeping me company . what? the keeping me company. what? the former brexit party mep, ben habib and kevin craig, formerly as no salt guy. only habib and kevin craig, formerly as no salt guy . only people at as no salt guy. only people at watch dewbs& co will know reference that if you don't know what i'm talking about, what you should watch dewbs & co more from should watch dewbs& co more from anyway. israel name and kevin craig, power craig, the ceo of agency power ama insurer actually would say so were britain's best businessmen on the today. like that michelle yeah. what trick? one of whom, by the way. one of whom just gave me a christmas present. i'm not opened it. don't know if it's a good one yet. i'm not going to tell you who just gave me. a christmas gift . i'll leave you to work

gift. i'll leave you to work that out among yourselves anyway. you know the drill you want g on dewbs& co it's not just about us. it's about at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? it's the topics i'll mentioning do we need i'll be mentioning. do we need more business people in policy? and do a housing crash is and we do a housing crash is imminent now. and if, sir, that be a good thing or a bad, should we ban smoke literally just. no no smoking? duncan says , the no smoking? duncan says, the government. do you like the idea or not? so we'll have that. and more coming up tonight, tv views at gb news dot uk is the email. or you can me at gb news. it is a hitchin and free zone. i put a twitter out asking you whether or not you're interested. you told you've better things told me you've got better things that want to talk about tonight . if you're sitting there, though, guess what though, saying, no, i guess what want about meghan and want to talk about meghan and harry? but you can harry? i want to. but you can take a silly email me about it. and interesting, i'll and if it's interesting, i'll read out. by the way, you read it out. by the way, you guys do make me laugh. one of the like about dewbs& the things i like about dewbs& co amount emails that i co the amount of emails that i get from you guys my

get from you guys about my outfit each and my favourite outfit each day and my favourite one is john from one tonight is john from blackpool says michelle. you look roman candle look like a roman candle firework tonight . oh, i'm going firework tonight. oh, i'm going to take that as a compliment but nigel says michelle, you look like you're going to a panther if you're listening. not watching, you don't know what i'm wearing. just my advice i'm wearing. just take my advice from fantastic basically from i look fantastic basically . on to our top . anyway let's go on to our top story politicians . who do you story politicians. who do you think is best suited to go into government and represent constituencies? does it matter the person's background ? the the person's background? the reason that i'm asking this question is the boss of iceland. the phrase shot at the country, richard walker. he has told a podcast one day he wants to be a prime minister he is, by the way, a on the list to become a tory parliamentary candidate, but he's not yet got a seat. it's a contest. so we've got me thinking and i've got two of britain's best business brains alongside myself. what better people to discuss with, do you think we need more business people in politics? well, michel, the is no and tell you

why i say that richard walker, who as you said, runs iceland. i think let's put a bit of context to this. richard wants to get on the list of tory mps the next election. yeah, richard runs firm. his dad founded . so, you firm. his dad founded. so, you know , his life is certainly not know, his life is certainly not typical . and how many business typical. and how many business are already in parliament? we ask the gb viewers listeners. well, in 2015, when this the most recent data , almost a third most recent data, almost a third 192 out of 650 mps did business background and that was not that much larger from 25 years before that interest manual workers there were 3% of people, 3% of mps elected in 2015 had a background in manual work so business, which i think is crucial it should be represented in parliament but actually we already have a lot of business people which is great and our current government is full of people with backgrounds in business and they've made a

horlicks of it karen is just doing in in capital she means business she says alan sugar should be the prime minister he would sort the country out what do you think of that you used to work with did he say i actually like the premise business people going into parliament because think that in a business especially if you're an entrepreneur so you've created it and you're not just running, you know, don't you, a thing or two about how to things two about how to get things done, cutting through red tape be an effective and efficient and the best outcomes . i and getting the best outcomes. i do worry though that do wonder and worry though that you goin do wonder and worry though that you go in there as an alan you can go in there as an alan sugar full gusto and then once you get in and you see just outside your hands ah and all the limits and legislations and the limits and legislations and the rules and all. i don't know if you'd lose your alan sugar dose to become more like a i don't know, like a mickey mouse type person. i don't know where you stand it ben. well i you. stand on it ben. well i think it's a, it's a more debate. i don't like . i prefer debate. i don't like. i prefer to be black and white and come

out with it. we don't mind you with completely clear cut answer on it, but i think the business encompasses a whole range different activities and i mean for example you came out of pr, you know slight intended but if you know slight intended but if you come out of pr and you go into into government i don't think that's a particularly good route. pr is obviously business, but if you as you say, you've been an entrepreneur, you started something you , know what started something you, know what it's like to work the it's like to work in the regulatory you've employed people . you know, the importance people. you know, the importance of paying wages to keep staff incentivised and if you understand all of those things , understand all of those things, that's a very different kind of businessman and i'd go further. i'd say it's not just about business. i think we need professionals from all sorts of backgrounds and more mature professionals in government . one professionals in government. one of the things i think that's gone with our parliamentary system that both the labour party , the conservative party party, the conservative party awards to those candidates who have really been in the party

quite a long time and they tend to leave university having done perhaps ppe at oxford to name one such degree, which i think probably to be banned for the sake of the national interest. but you know they leave they leave university to go into some kind of research job in the party. they spend a lot of time as special advisers , you know, as special advisers, you know, understanding the parliamentary system works. and then they become employees and government ministers. and actually they've had no real experience and, you know, i think i'd welcome members of the armed forces as members of the armed forces as members of the civil service in government, members of from the national health service lawyers. you know, i want everyone i want society represented in government. so i'd i'd open it up beyond just business and really look at the at the qualifications of every single . qualifications of every single. and it's not just a question, by the way, that you're asking. it's really interesting. conservative party facing the obliteration that it is now facing in the next election is

doing a lot of search soul searching searching at the moment about its candidate selection because it recognises it's actually got that quite wrong . yeah, it has and i think wrong. yeah, it has and i think you raised an interesting point about the age and maturity experience in scotland . the experience in scotland. the government there is actually tabled this proposal to allow people to stand as aged 16. what do you think to . i think that's do you think to. i think that's a bit young person. i don't think you've got the life to do a good job as a legislator. the age more or less of mep's at westminster is 50 and it's been constant some time . i don't constant some time. i don't think that's a bad thing , but i think that's a bad thing, but i think that's a bad thing, but i think 16 is too young personally . yeah, they only because actually think it's ludicrous , actually think it's ludicrous, you know, you can't even get a tattoo . you're 18, so why would tattoo. you're 18, so why would you be influencing policy? but the flip side so that would be if you a younger person. so to your point then you want more

mature older , more experience mature older, more experience whatever the older you get, the more mature you get whatever the more mature you get whatever the more disconnected you get from the youth. so perhaps there isn't i know i'm not saying that you shouldn't have young people, but see a much but i'd like to see a much broader of 16 you know 16 far broader of 16 do you know 16 far too i mean, i, i you too young. i mean, i, i you know, personally, i wouldn't have the voting age below 21. you know, when i wouldn't, you know, 18. i didn't know anything when was . perhaps i'm an when i was. perhaps i'm an exception, but but if you if you've got a job, you're working and income tax. so and you're paying income tax. so you're basically you're fuelling the government. you can the of this government. you can do at yeah, but what do that at 16. yeah, but what i'm to you is i'm i'm saying to you is if i'm working 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, why should i be able to vote till i'm 21? well, i mean , that's my i'm 21? well, i mean, that's my personal view that you haven't really marched sold your own character. you haven't devolved into the you're going to be you'll still you're still very much in development mode . you're much in development mode. you're 18 through to 18. well, this is a great point because let let's let's what you both have said let's what you both have said let's look look at two of the

biggest decisions recent years taken people , shall we say, taken by people, shall we say, the move on where is the to break? no, no, no, no, no, no. the first one is the first one is the selection of liz truss as prime minister by a tory party membership was predominantly of a certain age and yes indeed well predicted. if you look back to brexit vote taken by a majority of my fellow citizens of a certain vintage and if we left it to the young people there, we might not be in pickle. and exactly right it was it was the right vote . you've it was the right vote. you've just made the case for it. kevin, thank it's been it has. we haven't brexit. we want to get done that particular activity on the charge sheet that my friend. oh my goodness. wow. well, let's have this now. that's how my name is on charge sheet. my name is going to charge you for in fact, is the disaster well, they're going to talk about this charge in a second, because i've got to go. well charge sheet is full of remainers who who've frustrate

remainers who who've a frustrate id the biggest democratic this government this country ever had was that in the way of brexit i stood in the way of brexit, argued against the national interest, the fact it all the nhs money, the 350,000,350 million a week has been spent. more on the nhs , but since then more on the nhs, but since then you've been the whole. there was far too. it was 192 extraordinary comment far too. it was 192 extraordinary commen t £192 extraordinary comment £192 billion spent on the nhs year 2016. 130 billion has been an 60 billion spent on the nhs . so if billion spent on the nhs. so if you want to have that debate , you want to have that debate, this is not about brexit, it is about remaining shouting, this is about remainers standing in the way of the biggest democratic mandate and frustrating about the quality of decisions made. we were talking about decisions made by people in their age. you know i said that i was on the sheet. i gently you said was on the charge sheet and you vilified

elderly people . that's what you elderly people. that's what you did. kevin i didn't saw what you did. kevin i didn't saw what you did. i pointed that the decision to leave the european union was taken by a large proportion of older people than younger people. so what? so what . so it people. so what? so what. so it was a democratic process . but was a democratic process. but people like you when don't get the result you want from simply attack the democrat tactic process. i've had that since 16. we've had full votes on brexit. we've had full votes on brexit. we had the referendum then we had 2017 election, then we had the 20 ,19 elections and then we had 2019 general election. every single of those elections voted for brexit, it's not going very well . just a point we haven't well. just a point we haven't got brexit because of people like you. kevin stood frustrated. the united kingdom moving forward as an independence state, waiting to see it work well, but we haven't got it . well, whose fault is got it. well, whose fault is that? that's your fault. listen, i forget your name on the charge sheet for that. people like you,

people who come on programs like like listening michelle. we'll see. out he's see. ben pointing out he's getting a right, right, getting quite a right, right, right, did right, right, right. sorry. did you is on the charge you say my name is on the charge sheet for absolutely no reason? i'm of this speech. i'm the middle of this speech. says name's the charge says his name's the charge sheet. someone said this not guilty. this some say up guilty. this some say brexit up and up and. i had my popcorn out. i stayed out of that one. i'll leave you to be judge you tell thoughts and. i'll tell me your thoughts and. i'll see you back in a couple of minutes .

oh hello. welcome back to dewbs & co. oh hello. welcome back to dewbs & c0. if oh hello. welcome back to dewbs & co. if watched the end of that last last part. i was a bit feisty once it was talking about brexit i think it's fair to say i've got passionate brexiteer and a passionate remainer alongside me. i wasn't supposed to talking brexit, but you to be talking brexit, but you know what? with it. know what? we roll with it. that's tv. i'm michelle that's live tv. i'm michelle dewberry with till seven

dewberry with you till seven alongside brexit mep . brexit alongside me. brexit mep. brexit party mep ben habib and kevin who's the ceo of the communications palma i'm supposed to talk about open justice cameras in court, and i will do in a second what the conversation didn't actually end the break. so it rounds up a notch. so do you want to have a couple of minutes, you two, getting off your chest? the brexit. i've got nothing to get off my chest. other than saying this debate was about the decisions taken by people different ages, their qualifications and skills we started off talking about an mp and their age and then we moved into me saying that the vote to leave the european union was disproportionately be achieved by elder fellow citizens . which by elder fellow citizens. which point ben has lost his rag right . but i think the point was we're about brexit wasn't way. and you were saying . it's not and you were saying. it's not yet being done and we're not really where we're supposed to be. i didn't. and way, just be. i didn't. and the way, just for record, i didn't lose

for the record, i didn't lose rag. you said that word of. you didn't. yeah, well, we all had own views. rag when you cited own views. my rag when you cited the group that predominantly in favour of brexit, i lost my rag when said that i was on the charge as if voting for brexit for brexit, supporting biggest democratic mandate the country's ever had requires me to be on some kind of charge sheet. you may disagree with brexit. i would hold you to be wrong and we can have a civil debate that. but the minute you say someone's a charge seat, you're personalising it's a figure of speech. it's not a figure of speech. it's not a figure of speech. it's not a figure of speech. it's an ad hominem . speech. it's an ad hominem. remind you your very remind you at your very sensitive. i'm not very sensitive. i'm not very sensitive . not at all. so sensitive. not at all. so i expect more your you're an elderly gentleman . you ought to elderly gentleman. you ought to know best. you want us to use. you look older. i was i got in i was actually going have a couple of minutes talking about brexit. but evidently that's not going to do it it resorts to personal abuse not. really? you started it, you turned i'm going to i am

going to say one of you over there in a minute and the other one there. and i'm going to one over there. and i'm going to you it in instead you instead, pack it in instead . stick with the charge sheet theme i'll to the story theme and i'll go to the story that was supposed talking that was supposed be talking about, open justice about, which is open justice because that did indeed because a man that did indeed have against him was have a charge against him was the fella that's just been sentenced, a 88 in jail sentenced, a 88 years in jail for killing a five year old woman . now, you'll be familiar woman. now, you'll be familiar with this story, i'm sure it's divided opinion about whether or not cameras should be courtrooms. of course for example, we broadcast that sentencing here. it's called open justice. where do you stand on it , kevin? open justice. where do you stand on it, kevin? are you in favour of up injustice, justice or not? yes, i am really happy that the pubuc yes, i am really happy that the public can sentences being delivered. i think up the justice system and i think it bnngs justice system and i think it brings home the import and the seriousness what's happened. although it's very painful to see it , hear although it's very painful to see it, hear and see , the judges see it, hear and see, the judges have to say , i think it's have to say, i think it's bringing home to people more

powerfully and urgently that the need to get legal reform better . why was this allowed out ? why . why was this allowed out? why did the justice system let , this did the justice system let, this lady and her family down, i'm all for it . as for whether or all for it. as for whether or not live televising of verdict leads to calls for the death penalty if it does well for more offences . i don't mind harsher offences. i don't mind harsher sentences. i don't mind more focus on victims because victims my number one concern in the justice system . but i think it's justice system. but i think it's good and. i think it is to be welcomed and i have no problem with it. so a, you're a backer of hope justice then? i mean, i agree with kevin that. oh, i agree with kevin that. oh, i agree with kevin that. oh, i agree with kevin. i agree on then this isn't brexit. sure. go on. i agree with kevin. you know , harsh sentences for harsh crimes and this crime was absolutely abominable . the rape absolutely abominable. the rape and then murder of this young girl and 38 years in prison is absolutely right and i also think it's right just change the

subject marginally for dominic raab as justice secretary, be able to call in parole board recommendations for. the release of , you know, recommendations for. the release of, you know, criminal criminals who've convicted of serious crimes and to have the right to step in and block those releases , because this chap actually should have been in jail when he committed this crime. so, i mean i'm in favour of all of that. where would disagree with kevin is justice should is i think justice should probably closed doors probably be behind closed doors because. is because. what you don't want is the court of public opinion somehow influencing what should be a you know literally a blind process you that you want the court to be making its decisions without the pressure of any third parties or you know in this case the public so i'm not you know i can i can see the argument for having cameras in court but i if i come down one way or the other, it be for justice to remain away from that kind of public at that point .

kind of public at that point. yeah. and there is this is quite a topic because a lot of people will transparency can only be a good thing and you learn the justice system and all the rest of it. but then i guess i worry little bit the ah the sentencing etc. almost going to inadvertently turn into like kind of not star as i don't mean stars, but sometimes if you know you're on telly, obviously not, but it can go to your head a little bit. well, we'll take your word for that, michel. you know, i it can i think know, i mean, i it can i think i don't know, like it's one thing saying something and all you've got is a court reporter kind of writing down transcribing writing it down and transcribing it watched, seen, it when you're watched, seen, your is being your body language is being judged scrutinised and then judged and scrutinised and then commented and commented upon afterwards and they'll comments. they'll read those comments. those judges, i suspect. yeah, i just don't know . to your point just don't know. to your point other going alter their other than going to alter their behaviour time because behaviour the next time because know that now a tv person. i think it's a fair point however i just that the justice system is system, it belongs to people. it's supposed to be on behalf

both the monarch and the people this country and i am forjust much transparency and, insight as possible and. i think if people we somehow message on crimes not getting through in this country right the crime is on the up the investment in the prison system etc. all needs to be looked at. and i think the that the severity the sentences, the more of the impact these crimes have can be communicated. i think it can be a good thing. i think it can be a good thing. i know that you're you're alluding to celebrity judges , alluding to celebrity judges, whether they start getting into the hollywood side of it. but i think that's a risk worth taking. yeah. and message in saying the sentence given out we're talking about that case of the guy that's just been given he's terrific john saying think the sentence given for that killing not good enough it killing was not good enough it was shut says john. the was open and shut says john. the death penalty should be brought back. and guess this is my back. and i guess this is my point, what see we point, because what we see we almost see, like the end 5 minutes of that film, so to speak , you imagine this whole

speak, you imagine this whole process you get literally the last seen the sentencing . so last seen the sentencing. so i think then what happens is we all then turn into these armchair start go and mia definitely should have killed him and just i don't know if that's a good thing or not, but lots of people are writing in saying that you think that the sentence was too lenient . by the sentence was too lenient. by the way another aspect that i found quite interesting too this was that some in the labour side of the camp now are saying that it should be mandat three if someone's up for sentencing that, they have to be brought to the courtroom because this fella wouldn't the court wouldn't turn up to the court for sentencing . i know is for his sentencing. i know is thatis for his sentencing. i know is that is describing his his representative said that he didn't quote rely live didn't want to quote rely live the experience by looking some of the cctv footage but quite frankly i would dragged him and i would have made i would have sat him down and. i would have made him not only watch cctv footage, but watch in front of the family . that daughter, that the family. that daughter, that cousin, that auntie, whatever that he is then taken away with

is disgusting sense of entitlement. so i don't know how you would enforce that suggestion because what you're going to time people's will plonk carry them in like plonk and carry them in like what. i don't know how he'd enforce principle is enforce it but principle is certainly that i like. certainly one that i like. right? a break when right? i take a break now. when i come back, i want to talk to you the intra rate rise you about the intra rate rise today. you think it will today. what you think it will mean for the housing market. some saying that house some are saying that a house crash is the way others are crash is on the way others are saying it happens would be a saying if it happens would be a good thing, would you tell me and i'll see you in a couple of minutes .

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, michelle dewberry keeping company until 7:00 tonight alongside my panel, the former brexit party mep ben habib and kevin craig, the former brexit party mep ben habib and kevin craig , the ceo habib and kevin craig, the ceo of the communications agency plm are lots of you guys getting in

touch? we just been talking about open justice cameras in courtroom . someone's written in courtroom. someone's written in now and just said actually, graham says it's the live tv parliament that has raised big pubuc parliament that has raised big public issues. you don't say what those issues are. the grimsby fascinates hale insight on that i found parliament to be fascinating mainly because i've seen some of the where there's literally probably three full people in the chamber when they're discussing what i would important issues like the vaccine harm i'm not going to labour on that because i'll get an intake of breath and list out on a tangent i found it fascinating. what are your issues with parliament being broadcast peter the phrase you were just looking for that michelle was playing to the crowd that exactly the crowd. yes that is exactly the phrase that i looking for, phrase that i was looking for, talking about this labour suggestion of forcing people to attend court for their sentencing . and i think that's sentencing. and i think that's how you say your name. you people should always up the right not to attend court as much as people, including him say that they might not like . it

say that they might not like. it justice is not and never be a blood sport but interesting and. david says lawyers will ever want the death penalty. michelle because quite frankly it would put them out of a job i don't know actually. have you seen how long people in darfur are long some people in darfur are on goes on for on appeals? that goes on for years years and years. i years and years and years. i i think the lawyers would probably do right out anyway. do all right out of it anyway. keep me thoughts coming in. vaiews@gbnews.uk is the email address . got what address now today. got what i would say of more bad news. some people might think a good people might think it's a good thing the best rate is thing but the best rate is increased. again to three and a half% making it the highest in 14 years. this has led to a lot conversations about whether or not there's going to be a housing crash and if there is, would that be a good thing. ben habib you run a property company. you stand it? company. do you stand on it? well, don't think well, i mean, i don't think anyone want a housing crash. i can understand people want house pnces can understand people want house prices to cease rising and perhaps even come down. but a housing crash be a disaster because you would have a domino

effect through that , through the effect through that, through the economy. you would have bank loans going sour, banks going bust, government bailouts being required when banks go bust, a whole load of businesses suffer. and you what, you know, a widespread in the economy so a housing crash is not a anyone to anyone anyone's interest. i understand why people houses pnces understand why people houses prices do slow down perhaps even come down a bit. i mean the really interesting thing for me here is that we've in fact rampant inflation for 12 years. you know, that's going to sound odd to people watching the programme but we have we had asset price inflation at the beginning of the 2010 through to 2015, 2016 as a result of the government money to rescue the banks first time round devalued cash , full stop asset prices and cash, full stop asset prices and pred cash, full stop asset prices and ripped away actually the ability for the working and middle class to buy their own home and thereby ripped away what we're seeing now now is consumer going up as a result of supply side

problems, a breakdown in supply chains caused by lockdown lockdowns of effectively put oil and gas production hold reserves were shut down. manufacturing processes closed down so you wouldn't have had any lockdown. and when we i wouldn't have had lockdowns but we can we can have debate can i can just finish the point that i'm making. so what we've got is supply side inflation. and you inflation. and actually, you don't control don't you don't control side inflation raising interest . inflation by raising interest. and is going to be quite an and this is going to be quite an uncontained about to uncontained view i'm about to espouse. reason i think espouse. but reason i think we're really raising rates is not kerb inflation. it's to not to kerb inflation. it's to ensure that we can keep with the federal reserve who are raising rates because if we don't raise interest rates as they do we'll see pound collapse and we'll see more inflation imported into the united kingdom . so it's a united kingdom. so it's a prevention of something getting worse rather than the fiction. what we've got is a fundamentally broken economy . fundamentally broken economy. and i think the bank of england

needs to be very careful in the way that it interest rates. i just about say anchor and kevin but before i do what point do you think it should stop at 3.5% now what you think so you've got to stop looking at what we're doing here and you've got just look at what's happening in the states and the states. basically the fed is saying it's reaching the fed is saying it's reaching the of its interest rate the top of its interest rate cycle i we will reach cycle and i think we will reach the top about same time. the top at about the same time. kevin craig well, question kevin craig well, the question was house prices and. i was about house prices and. i think, you know, with all due respect, ben, you're a property professional , your view respect, ben, you're a property professional, your view is going to be nuanced , i think by the to be nuanced, i think by the fact that it's certainly not in your interest for there to be a house price crash. it doesn't help your your business model. i might be wrong on that . and i might be wrong on that. and i think the average price of property in the last 25 years is very significantly of kilter with the increases . other asset with the increases. other asset classes and goods. and so an person, an average young person

leaving university or whatever has got a much reduced chance now of buying their own home than the past. and that is a source concern. so nobody wants a crash, but a flattening of house prices or a reduction over time, whilst some people might lose wealth . they they think lose wealth. they they think they've built up. i think that would be a good thing because housing's too expensive and we have massive land banking in this country where developers are holding it back and they won't release it till they get the planning permissions they want while their balance sheet and pnces want while their balance sheet and prices rocket and and share prices rocket and people are fed up and they're worried about the next generation so not a crash but radical action to address house pnces radical action to address house prices in this country isn't slower. correction which is what i was advocating. yeah so they go we've got that we found some agreement but i'm just about inflame it all again that's myself kevin was just saying you would you have not had any then i think lockdowns were fundamental mistake . we know we

fundamental mistake. we know we knew right in the beginning actually that the virus targeted older and vulnerable people more than anyone . the average age of than anyone. the average age of death with people who died with , the virus, not necessarily as a result , the virus, but with a result, the virus, but with the virus , is still a higher the virus, is still a higher than the average life expectancy . it's an old age problem . and . it's an old age problem. and actually what we needed to do was a much more targeted response to control the virus, not a widespread economic shutdown, which is what we had and the entire developed world and the entire developed world and therefore entire world is not suffering the economic and health that have resulted from . health that have resulted from. lockdown lockdown was a funding mentally failed policy and it should never be allowed to happen again . and so that he's happen again. and so that he's right isn't a covid total nonsense. i mean, i, i don't know, a single respected professional that shares that view . it was well, i know . know,

view. it was well, i know. know, i know. that's why i just i the mean we needed to at the time take you know there's a lot of going on, you know, hindsight and i didn't interrupt you on that. and i didn't interrupt you on that . so i and i didn't interrupt you on that. so i think that the idea that. so i think that the idea that there was no lockdown necessary and what that would have done to the health service, i think, you know, is just ridiculous. but that's my kevin look at the health service now . look at the health service now. seven and a half million people on the waiting list. 14 week on waiting . six, 10 minutes to go. waiting. six, 10 minutes to go. look at the nhs now. 10 minutes ago you were telling me about look, the billions that been pumped in the they have had this rubbish i did what said was rubbish i did what i said was rubbish i did what i said was rubbish was your allegation. no, you did it. you said rubbish was your allegation. no, you did it. you sai d £350 you did it. you said £350 million a week was the side of the bus and that hadn't gone into the nhs. and what i was addressing was that incredibly false statement that you made , false statement that you made, because actually the nhs funding has gone up much, much more than 350 million a week at the nhs. sweet brexit. the nhs isn't it

on your your i'm afraid your incredibly illogical just because money has been spent on. the nhs doesn't mean the nhs necessarily functioning. it has had a huge amount of money thrown at it, but it is a broken for many reasons which we can debate you like including the lockdown impact on cardiovascular disease went untreated, undiagnosed and untreated, undiagnosed and untreated cancer which went on on and untreated and a whole host of other elective treatments which were ignored . treatments which were ignored. and now what we've got as result of lockdown is seven and a half billion people , 14 weeks versus billion people, 14 weeks versus million people waiting, seven weeks before lockdown took place. and there is a cause effect relationship , a very effect relationship, a very brief response. but the breaking point is huge amount of that is due to insufficient funding and no idea. hang on, you said it but that's my view and your you know the idea lockdowns were not

necessary in that crisis i just find ridiculous but i'll tell you someone that wouldn't with that by the way, i do need to go to a break a second. you're saying about hindsight and you're saying about, you know, specialist specialists specialist medical specialists or yeah, there was or whatever. yeah, there was a concept great barrington concept called great barrington declaration hindsight, it declaration that hindsight, it was really epidemiologists and professors , educated people. it professors, educated people. it was created all the time and it was created all the time and it was all about they call targeted focus protection, which was all about protecting those people where the most vulnerable and, allowing the economy to continue passively speaking. and i accept that i'm not a medical professional but. i don't think that that strategy in any of the similar to it was given of a focus and enough of a consideration do you tell me right . going to have a quick right. going to have a quick break. when i come back, i'll have some more of your responses to lots of you have been getting into touch for the show tonight. and i also want to ask you whether not smoking should whether or not smoking should be banned say smoking. banned every time i say smoking.

i think some of you might misunderstand my accent. i think i'm smacking or doing i'm saying smacking or doing this . it's saying, this smoking very. it's saying, should be banned? tell me should it be banned? you tell me and i'll see you in 2 minutes.

hello welcome back to dewbs & co. hello welcome back to dewbs& co. with me, michelle, alongside me until 7:00 tonight, the former brexit party mep ben habib and kevin craig, who's the ceo of the communications agency plymouth . we just got into the plymouth. we just got into the lockdown topic a second ago. just before the break chris says michelle, well, what if didn't lockdown and 2 million people had died ? and that's the thing, had died? and that's the thing, chris. you know, no one really knows how many lives were saved by locking down or not. doc says look at the uproar when they didn't cancel the liverpool. you're a football match an entry it's pure hindsight rubbish again gb news dog what i'm

referring to the great barrington declaration. that's not hindsight that was a principle that was created relatively close to the start of this that i'm saying it didn't really get the focus it deserved ben perhaps might agree with that kevin perhaps would disagree with that too their own we have different views that's it's about phillip island on your the many because i agree with it quite frankly he says lockdown was total and we're lockdown was a total and we're now a complete mess because now in a complete mess because of . i said i'll admit it. of that. i said i'll admit it. i agree. you know, you sensible , agree. you know, you sensible, right. let's talk smoking shall we. there's been some tough new anti laws brought in in new zealand and the government there basically banned anyone that was born after 2008 from ever being able to buy cigarette arms even when they become an adult. and apparently over in this many people would support something similar yougov poll that 57% would back that exact same sort of ban how weird why would you want rishi sunak's tell you that you can't smoke. how weird is

no. i thought you were going to say how wise of our fellow citizens that we that we gradually over time realising how futile expensive of an awful cigarettes are agreed but if you choose to smoke then what's it going to do with rishi sunak or whoever the prime minister would be at the time ? the state. the be at the time? the state. the state rishi sunak's this state rishi sunak's in this example, is the point is example, there is the point is that state not want to that the state does not want to facilitate , right? so it facilitate smoking, right? so it doesn't want make it easier for people to smoke . one of the people to smoke. one of the things is two things had. one things is two things had. one thing i'm ashamed of one i'm proud i'm ashamed that when proud of. i'm ashamed that when i younger on and off for i was younger on and off for a decade, i smoked. i don't know what was doing at the time. it's embarrassing, i'm embarrassing, awful. and i'm very that a few years ago very proud that a few years ago at work, one of the things i did was with cancer research uk was work with cancer research uk and we got cigarette packets this following what this country following what happened, into happened, australia turned into plain packaging, therefore signed typically discouraging kids from smoking that's great. why should the government the

sale of cigarettes ? who's sale of cigarettes? who's advocating that ? who's advocating that? who's suggesting the government should facilitate the service? well michelle is questioning the wisdom of our good citizen. yeah, yeah , but not banning it yeah, yeah, but not banning it is not facilitate anything to say what it is de facto . why? say what it is de facto. why? because it's legal. well, you think being something, not being illegal is state facilitation . i illegal is state facilitation. i know you're a libertarian, but what's wrong with a government saying to people what's your what's wrong with government saying to people? guys smoke is dangerous and expensive so why not ban alcohol ? people dangerous and expensive so why not ban alcohol? people die of alcohol poisoning. we have real issues with alcohol. talk about , mental health issues, alcohol that would you ban alcohol there's an argument alcohol consumed moderately safe yeah and i have the old cigar i have the old cigar that's not going to kill me. why should i be banned from having that? well, it's not going to. what's it going to? it's not it's not good for you. but so with no is alcohol nor is excessive consumption. excessive

consumption. nor is excessive consumption, the absence consumption. nor is excessive co exercise. n, the absence consumption. nor is excessive co exercise. none the absence consumption. nor is excessive co exercise. none of the absence consumption. nor is excessive co exercise. none of thatabsence of exercise. none of that is good. of exercise. none of that is good . you. so what's what's good. you. so what's what's what's so bad? do you have a government dictates how government that dictates how exercise you eat exercise you do, what you eat when to sleep, making when you go to sleep, making sure hours a night sure you get 8 hours a night where do you stop you're just clarify here the question answer your question. i just i'm going your question. ijust i'm going to say, you know, you're arguing here with the british people in the survey not. me i'm saying you agree with that 57. i do yeah. not my people. mostly older people or younger people. well you know, don't let's not bother the poor people. so this isn't about 5 minutes. this is just about helping gulf governments , trying governments, governments, trying governments, trying to help their citizens to do the right thing. that's all i know. this is top down state micromanagement , people's lives, micromanagement, people's lives, the incessant stripping away of our right to make decisions for ourselves about the right then legal in the day. would you be against seatbelts? i would against seatbelts? i would against seatbelts, yeah. i was

in favour of seatbelt enforced in favour of seatbelt enforced in seat wearing. yeah, absolutely . you you are now absolutely. you you are now trained drilled into putting seatbelt on, as am i. we in the car, we do it naturally. we don't. but i am against this incessant move by the state to tell us what to do if you walk out of paddington up towards gb news you every step that you you take tells you take one step at a time don't at your mobile phoneif a time don't at your mobile phone if you're disabled go back and take the lift, you're halfway up the flipping stopped worry the how do you go back and take stuff why does it's take sort of stuff why does it's the dumbing it's the infantilizing of the population it strips subliminally it strips away subliminally ability to make decisions yourself that's what's going on here i worry we need to. well you don't really worry that time. why don't we worry that much about the nhs? because it didn't seem to concern you that lockdown's the seven and a half year thing you better than every medical call. i just. i think i know maybe we should consult

property experts on how to reform the system . should we reform the nhs system. should we know better ? i didn't say i know know better? i didn't say i know better . what i did say was that better. what i did say was that your going back to the nhs debate that the assumption that spending more money is going to resolve. the problem is the wrong one because actually the nhs had a huge amount of extra money thrown at it since the £350 million a week claim was made that was the point i was making. but i'm not advocating that i've got a solution to the nhs problems. that i've got a solution to the nhs problems . it it has got nhs problems. it it has got multiple d of problems which do need resolving that is for sure even wes streeting who perhaps is someone you favour because he comes from the labour party . comes from the labour party. even wes streeting acknowledges that the nhs needs fundamental reform. perhaps he's doing that for electoral purposes, so he appeals that to the electorate in the in the forthcoming. anyway, let's not have no let's stop telling people what to do . stop telling people what to do. let's not make you . oh you just let's not make you. oh you just gave sarcastically it's just like ben is saying that he

wouldn't have made a measure is seatbelt compulsory use he wouldn't be in favour so that means he's not in favour. the lives have been saved. the result and i don't understand that as public policy. kevin, the adults smoking, the 7 million adults smoking, it's and many of them it's contrary and many of them will do so because of choice. you that if this you worried that if this government has the ability, then government has the ability, then go that smoking because go right that smoking because everyone you're really everyone unless you're really quite thick you know that smoking is not good for your health i mean you just do so if you choose to smoke knowing the health consequences it's your personal . so government personal. so if the government finds that what next alcohol, sugar sugar enforcement exercise. now where do you stop 7 exercise. now where do you stop ? you've got it. yeah. just tell me quickly why they stop. because i'm almost out of time. as you said this to a cigarette which would buy cigarettes? i was talking about anything else? i am i'm asking you where after cigarettes. you cool cigarettes. if you cool with them just quickly, them banning that. just quickly, i people i think you're scaring people because just about because this is just about sensible planning on cigarettes. are home

are you sitting at home absolutely of absolutely scared out of your weight sizes that you know, weight sizes back that you know, that little bit than that you're a little bit than all kevin craig gives you credit for? anyway, i've got say for? anyway, i've got to say i very much enjoyed the show who's there . if ban smoking there saying. if you ban smoking it underground i tend it it'll go underground i tend to with you many saying to agree with you many saying jim if you ban smoking and jim says if you ban smoking and then what's next it'll be junk food yes, think that you are food. yes, i think that you are absolutely . it's the british absolutely. it's the british public, michel sorted . this is public, michel sorted. this is the someone else says the survey. someone else says the survey. someone else says the government to ban the government tries to ban smoking. they'll action smoking. they'll take action against government. but i've against the government. but i've got to end now . kevin, ben, got to end now. kevin, ben, thank very much for your thank you very much for your time. appreciate the show. time. i appreciate the show. thanks company thanks for your company home. next time , go. i'm going to wrap next time, go. i'm going to wrap these two. i'm to earmuffs these two. i'm going to earmuffs on around myself on bubble wrap around myself just can suit myself in the just so i can suit myself in the middle. anyway, nigel farage is up next. nigel. good evening. what us? good what do you got for us? good evening the exclusive evening. the first exclusive interview skipper interview with the skipper picked up 31 people in the engush picked up 31 people in the english channel yesterday. i will . we'll look at english channel yesterday. i will .we'll look at harry will look. we'll look at harry and part of netflix. and meghan. part of netflix. we'll can they sink any we'll ask can they sink any lower than this . all of that

lower than this. all of that coming in a few moments. but first, we need to find out just how cold is it going to be in the next couple of days . i'm the next couple of days. i'm alex deakin . this is your latest alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office. mild weather is on way, but it's going to be a frosty with some snow likely for could be heavy in places as well may cause some disruption particularly on friday mornings rush hour the central belt this is the culprit doesn't look much doesit is the culprit doesn't look much does it a fairly weak area of low pressure, but weather fronts moving will be bringing some moving in will be bringing some wet weather, hitting that cold air provide some heavy air could provide some heavy snow later tonight. still few wintry showers over northern scotland for eastern england where could be quite icy where things could be quite icy and mist of fog reforming and some mist of fog reforming this which could be this evening, which could be quite dense, but for most it's clear and it is very cold, especially in the south as you will be quite it's cold across the northwest compared to recent nights because here that wet weather is moving in some heavy snow the highlands snow over the highlands and then through could through the morning that could well slip through the central

belt of scotland, especially for that could that morning rush hour. we could see you centimetres of snow that morning rush hour. we could seea you centimetres of snow that morning rush hour. we could seea time centimetres of snow that morning rush hour. we could seea time before etres of snow that morning rush hour. we could seea time before itres of snow that morning rush hour. we could seea time before it starts snow that morning rush hour. we could seea time before it starts .1ow for a time before it starts. turn rain as we go the turn back to rain as we go the afternoon. but the potential for some disruption as that wintry hits scotland during tomorrow a few showers for northern ireland most england wales dry and sunny. what's focus cleared but still cold, struggling to get much above freezing and quickly on friday evening drop back below freezing pair that in mind if you're heading out with showers across parts of the north be icy on north could be icy on friday night and into saturday morning at this stage the showers mostly be at low but some be off right at low but some snow is still possible . sunny snow is still possible. sunny over the hills of northern england during saturday and more snow showers gained snow showers could be gained across highlands of across the highlands of scotland. showers getting scotland. a few showers getting into wales as well. into parts of wales as well. again of these will be again of these these will be right low levels. but to the south and the east will be dry bright on saturday. look at this for five degrees. most of us haven't that for a good days it's going to turn mildest will on sunday. this area of pressure is moving in. it's bringing

milder , but it's also bringing milder, but it's also bringing strong winds out for a time on sunday some heavy .

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