sunday have happy friday. it's lawrence , fox news time . the slog of the , fox news time. the slog of the week is over and i'm here to cool your cockles with some heated debate and thoughtful reflection coming up on the show

with everyone on strike except me i have opened the debate doors and we will be discussing your frontline should be allowed to strike then the lgbt q plus plus exclamation market summation mark question mark agendais summation mark question mark agenda is to be taught to children without their parents consent. and finally dishing it out with annabel croft . first out with annabel croft. first out with annabel croft. first out the news with nailsea . hello out the news with nailsea. hello there. good evening . i'm bethany there. good evening. i'm bethany elsie in the gb newsroom, eurostar says it's been to cancelits eurostar says it's been to cancel its services . london on cancel its services. london on boxing day because the rmt strikes will close the uk's high speed. strikes will close the uk's high speed . the announcement comes speed. the announcement comes more than 40,000 union members strike for a third time this week following . an ongoing week following. an ongoing dispute over pay conditions. rmt leader mick lynch says little progress has been made during negotiations but that he believes a compromise is achievable. more industrial

action planned for tomorrow . a action planned for tomorrow. a man from leicestershire murdered his partner in his parents has been sentenced to life prison with a minimum term 23 years. ross was dating his colleague newbridge when he strangled her and cut her throat last year. the court heard how he tried to cover up her death by hiding clothes and nearby bins and leaving a voicemail on a phone outside the court . her leaving a voicemail on a phone outside the court. her family described him as the of a monster . i described him as the of a monster. i know described him as the of a monster . i know how difficult monster. i know how difficult it's been for parents and sister to the court day listening to the web of lies by someone. megan the only new whom she trusted, someone who clearly had no look forward to . we are the no look forward to. we are the ones now serving the life sentence. no amount of time prison can bring them back. we have to carry on with our lives as best as we can. but megan will never leave our thoughts. police are investigating a suspected triple in northamptonshire . the victims northamptonshire. the victims have been named as andrew sock.

he was an nhs nurse and her two young children, jeeva and john sanjeev. they were found a house in kettering yesterday morning . in kettering yesterday morning. a 52 year old man is being questioned in connection with their deaths . three people are their deaths. three people are in a critical condition . one in a critical condition. one person has been arrested . a person has been arrested. a suspected crowd crush the music venuein suspected crowd crush the music venue in south london has just closed soon after. venue in south london has just closed soon after . two the met closed soon after. two the met police has launched investigation after officers were called to the brixton o2 academy last night. video footage shows a large crowd of people trying to force their way into the concert venue. police say they are reviewing social media and video. say they are reviewing social media and video . and prince media and video. and prince william's godmother has apologised for repeatedly asking apologised for repeatedly asking a charity boss where she from dunng a charity boss where she from during a royal reception . during a royal reception. buckingham palace says lady susan hussey met ngozi fulani in person to discuss the incident .

person to discuss the incident. lady susan has pledged deepen her awareness of sensitivities involved . ms. filani accepted involved. ms. filani accepted the apology says she appreciates no malice intended. you're up to date on tv online and imdb plus radio. this is gb news. now let's get back to laurence . let's get back to laurence. hello. there's lots to talk about tonight. so let's get started with my thoughts on the latest instalment of the and meghan show . latest instalment of the and meghan show. but i sat latest instalment of the and meghan show . but i sat okay latest instalment of the and meghan show. but i sat okay . not meghan show. but i sat okay. not many people know, but until she met my dad and started producing a strong willed , opinionated a strong willed, opinionated child. every couple of years before calling it day five. my dear mum , a nurse climbing away dear mum, a nurse climbing away steadily the ladder in the national health service and a very good one at that. by all accounts, she often kept her own counsel, but when she did get a

word in edgewise, she was critical of the way the health service was managed. even in her day. as and more of the day. as more and more of the decision was taken away from the frontline staff and handed to commissars managers who had commissars the managers who had more and more interesting graphs and budgets with and budgets than contact with and for patients . i can hazard for patients. i can hazard a guess as to what she would have thought about the taking the strike action , but i can strike action, but i can confidently what she would have thought had she seen the job. advertisement from the midland nhs trust , advertisement from the midland nhs trust, which appeared online the same day the nurses downed their bandages for. a director of lived experience sorry director for lived experience . director for lived experience. oh, poor me on a six figure salary. nonetheless this modern trend of creating non—jobs like directing lived experience would have irritated someone . patients have irritated someone. patients always came first. it makes my blood boil as it does many around the country whose taxes up these ridiculous, diverse placements hired to daydream about something called lived experience , whatever they are

experience, whatever they are and generally laze around getting the way of people who have real jobs to do at the cost of 40 million quite a year or 1200 nurses. in old money or in continue worship of the woke religion and its holy trinity of eqtu religion and its holy trinity of equity and inclusion. or die , as equity and inclusion. or die, as i like to call it, a religion without redemption or salvation. who's decided as a hell bent on ruining our institutions in the name of progress and dismantling every single taboo they can before shuffle off their mortal coil and hop off into the abyss ? what coil and hop off into the abyss .7 what is most troubling, indeed, though , is the woke indeed, though, is the woke obsession with the hyper hyper racialisation of children. we've got the drag queen story, ours, the families show that how do i talk to five year old about race seminars. the very sinister reimagined of those talking openly about sexual attraction to children online . many to children online. many attractive people they call themselves these days or in

money the destruction of childhood innocence is everywhere and especially in our schools. in the local primary schools. in the local primary school in kent , schools. in the local primary school in kent, in nicola, what's found as many are now finding that their children are being inducted narrated by and i quote extreme team teaching on gender identity without their consent in school so—called teachers at these schools had shown young children. a video about a book called it's good to be yourself and not now ever present your gender identity may not match what people thought when were born rears its ugly head yet again. biology be . the head yet again. biology be. the watch his daughter was one must only follow the science which follows the ideology . you may follows the ideology. you may have been born female with a vagina that doesn't you could be a boy . and if we tell you this a boy. and if we tell you this often enough, then some kids are vulnerable, confused , vulnerable, confused, dysmorphic, autistic may just take the bait and begin down

that dark path . irreversible that dark path. irreversible mutilation . some surgeon or mutilation. some surgeon or other might just be willing to abandon the oath for the tens of thousands of taxpayer pounds picked up for every one of these barbaric interventions . one barbaric interventions. one wonders what the church has to say about this and what the hole he made them made him female. the bible has to do with this. the bible has to do with this. the response was, i have no evidence whatsoever to suggest promotion of any particular ideology in. the school says church of england spokesman, the ostrich neck from the sand . even ostrich neck from the sand. even the church has taken the knee in supplication to the woke religion . so few seem to have religion. so few seem to have the courage and common sense stand up against this insanity. it's no wonder , as the it's no wonder, as the consequences for non—compliance , as i've explained done in person , dire in scotland. if you person, dire in scotland. if you say a woman, you are a woman in. every sense nowadays, including

biologically. do you remember biology that terrible science of the natural world and the human body. the natural world and the human body . another legacy of the body. another legacy of the white supremacy which needs obliterating from culture along with empirical facts , debate and with empirical facts, debate and simple truth , none of which are simple truth, none of which are required in postmodern world where up is down, black is christmas is the way the closure period. and if you dare question our moral supremacism, it is the woke hell of cancellation for you, you racist bigot . so you, you racist bigot. so i would say in 2023 we all need to stand up and start calling this out for what it is it's just evil for our children's sakes and for the sake of safety, particularly . there is no particularly. there is no denying that a tiny of the population feel trapped in the wrong body and for some extreme measures for some extreme measures for some extreme measures of their the only solution try find peace solution to try and find peace from disruption of their from the disruption of their mind. they have every right to undergo such treatments, but they do so in the knowledge that their chances of failing after surgery remain sadly low, as

they did before . and we should they did before. and we should have compassion and love for them in must be an impossibly difficult situation . but we must difficult situation. but we must also stop schools from promoting or teaching the science of irreversible treatments for children and young who still developing brains , are more developing brains, are more rightly concerned with what century bringing them this year. wit to first focus on the strikers and ask you should fun light workers be allowed to strike .7 workers be allowed to strike? email me at gb news or gb news uk or tweet me at lausanne fox . uk or tweet me at lausanne fox. a country of chaos . uk or tweet me at lausanne fox. a country of chaos. is uk or tweet me at lausanne fox. a country of chaos . is there a country of chaos. is there anyone who isn't striking at me? obviously, if watched my show two weeks ago, you'll know that i sympathy with the likes of the firefighters risking their lives for strangers while on the starting salary if they sausages

in aldi repaid for their sacrifice with the they can't afford to pay . but where do we afford to pay. but where do we draw the line? and is it truly the right thing to do to when you work on the front line? i fear for our country already riddled with debt more , riddled with debt more, crippling than rabies. it's about to a halt. so joining us to debate this bombing newspaper , editor, paul kenny and rebecca jane, deputy leader of ukip poll strikes good idea about strikes are an essential fundamental right of a democracy. of course there are. i the police and the military aren't allowed to strike. and that's quite right. but nurses. yes. fight because. because they they are entitled to withdraw their labour. i mean, people are split on this. i mean, i know nurses my own friends, one of whom is strongly opposed to the idea of strike and one is solidly behind the strike but the idea of outlawing and outlawing nurses striking i

find offensive and i think i think the patients today find it offensive that they're being denied treatment by people . oh, denied treatment by people. oh, well, the poll was still said . well, the poll was still said. yes, that public support is strong for the nurses . and i strong for the nurses. and i think at the moment rather more sympathetic the nurses than than towards the government who who seem at moment hell bent on trying to revive the ted heath who runs the country the unions or the government which is it which is in time warp it no longer and not in that sense so . i think it's more to do with a government desperate it's to hold the tory party's divisions and try to create a, you know, a confrontation and in the hope that it might change those 20, 25 point deficit in the polls. yeah. oh it's just it's just it or it's just the government who are trying to find a way of paying are trying to find a way of paying for the costs of lockdown as well as revolting themselves.

but not rebecca in so right but i'm not rebecca in so right and your thoughts . oh we've and are your thoughts. oh we've gone too far it's got to stop because know i don't understand the argument why it's okay for the argument why it's okay for the police not be allowed to strike but the nurses are i also think that they are asking i understand that they need pay rises we all need pay rises every single person this country is struggling to a certain degree. they a self—employed don't have the luxury of being able to strike in fact actually when the self—employed people put their up for their clients, the clients go elsewhere and then they lose work. they have no choice but to carry on. we're all in a really difficult situation the country right situation in the country right now. all to take a bit now. we all have to take a bit of a and this has got to of a hit and this has got to stop. we've got wait to fall this far too many strikes and nobody know what the public what . can i ask you a question? yeah so i worked in before i moved up showbusiness i worked on one particular tv show for ten years and those ten years not a single member of the crew got a pay

rise in the private sector. not one. so we're talking about pubuc one. so we're talking about public sector of one in five of the employees in this country. why should the public sector in a time of absolute national financial crisis, have any right and not saying a agree recently what should have any right turn around off for a pay rise for anyone else. what were the figures that came out this week show pay in the show you know the pay in the private sector are far outstripping the public which has been held back for several years. and it's interesting is that during that the nurses dunng that during that the nurses during the period in which there , salary levels have dropped by 20. pollitz salaries have increased by 28% not not to mention the quite generous perks and expenses that politicians receive that. but but also the politicians being pay knows it's the public that are being penalised as in every which way that you look at all these strikes the public are suffering . it's not the people that can actually do anything about it. they care less . which

they couldn't care less. which is interesting that people is it's interesting that people citing margaret thatcher here, but as what are two of former members of her cabinet pointed out and some tory who are pressing the government now give the nurses a better pay offer. one of the first things margaret thatcher did was to was to actually give give quite a hefty hike to public sector pay when first became prime minister why does everybody else not deserve it ? well, people are getting it it? well, people are getting it . you know, they got no know the figures this week we know they're not actually happened today is that i had a hairdresser with me today and she says that because of all of these strikes and how many clients have cancelled on her, she's probably going to have to give her now. i'm sure give up herjob now. i'm sure that's and i sorry that's true. and i feel sorry her. but the figures that came, the government's figures the government's own figures that out week showed that came out this week showed that came out this week showed that pay is that private sector pay is outstripping substance , outstripping substance, outstripping substance, outstripping the public sector by the question to be put to the sector, the private sector provides the wealth in this

country , not the public sector country, not the public sector that provided the wealth the private sector provides wealth in my question you in this country. my question you is the nurses are asking for 19% less pay rise . at what point can less pay rise. at what point can rishi sue not go and sit down opposite them. so i think rishi sunak's a bit for not going and sitting down opposite and talking to them. but if you're coming to me and saying i want to 20% pay, i'm it's like, well at what point can anyone have a reasonable negotiation here but of course you may on orange you know how it works the pitch is high then you negotiate if the government can depend on the government can depend on the government not sitting down for and from sorry i'm not no sorry i'm going to there these are key workers. people are going to die as a result of this decision, you know, walk it with the people you're going to it. you go tragically. but i cannot tragically. people are dying and

suffering because the nhs , its suffering because the nhs, its problems before covid, since covid and the nurses , many of covid and the nurses, many of them them are actually as concerned about the plight of their patients and the state of their patients and the state of the nhs as are about their dignity, their rights to claim a better pay , not 90% not. jenny better pay, not 90% not. jenny yeah , i just, i just find that yeah, i just, i just find that sort horse trading when it comes to people's lives utterly abhorrent . it's not horse abhorrent. it's not horse trading on people's lives. that's rebecca the problem . the that's rebecca the problem. the nhs is run in an archaic system and actually nobody's stopping and actually nobody's stopping and saying let's change that . if and saying let's change that. if we didn't spend so much money on ridic callous positions like director of live taxpayer and so you joke in £150,000 per year. i've implied. i mean want it, but it's ridiculous what i think we have to know the has to face up to a few facts they're archaic their management systems

are absolutely atrocious. and i say that as somebody actually delivered nhs mental health contracts, they are atrocious and nobody's actually stopping and nobody's actually stopping and let's all the whole the system let's stop paying the people at the top who are not doing half as much work as the people at the bottom and give it to them nobody's stopping them. i think some i think think we have some common in fact common ground there. in fact doubt nhs has, too many doubt the nhs has, too many middle management, too many sort of titles . but if we are of strange titles. but if we are talking nurses and, junior doctors for example , they do doctors for example, they do need and deserve a substantial pancreas. not 19, but of course, but real problem here is the government is spoiling for a fight because think they are hoping almost this is going to redress the opinion poll and give them a better of surviving the next. do you really do you really think true you know just to draw you out on that every single part of the public sector is going on strike you think the government are going we winning here they're not losing here.

and well, i think there is some common ground to be common ground perhaps to be found is that this is result of the most failed public experiment in history and the public sector having to deal with this one. and a fair enough thing to say, we've had our country an economy locked down for two and a half years. well, that's partly because the politicians are on all sides, including keir. because the politicians are on all sides, including keir . and all sides, including keir. and i'm a sort of labour supporter but critical of keir starmer fear of actually even addressing b—word brexit which is . all b—word brexit which is. all i have an amnesty on this word i wasn't involved in the political sphere when the b word came around. i didn't care one way or the other. and now i really care, right? everybody needs goes to blame brexit. brexit like little childish harry the other day. of course he did. yeah. and know what i'm being

always a rare pundit to predict remain that we have to thank you both much for joining remain that we have to thank you both much forjoining here thank both much for joining here thank you so much forjoining us first brexit and good talking right coming up i will be discussing children being taught about gender without their parents consent . join me .

in three. welcome back. gender it's an often newsworthy days. not sure it means anything other than like lucia or lucia or whatever it is in french. but if we can't , our heads around this fancy language , why should be language, why should be inflicted on our.

language, why should be inflicted on our . why am i going inflicted on our. why am i going down road? who knows? well teachers at a church primary school been accused of telling children they can born in the wrong body and that some three year olds are gender non—binary . kevin and nicola watts temporary , temporarily withdrew temporary, temporarily withdrew their three children from st michael's church english school in in kent in a row over what they have called trans indoctrination. according the parents, teachers showed the video to the children, the watches. having said in writing that owing to their christian beliefs . oh bad they did not beliefs. oh bad they did not approve of lessons that lgbt . q approve of lessons that lgbt. q they missed the queue of the auto queue relationships . what auto queue relationships. what they said that they felt very disrespect did and betrayed as we had asked that the start the children not to be exposed to of this ideology. meanwhile minister for children families and wellbeing claire as universities face a growing creep of self—censorship just hours after students forced the cancellation of a documentary screening on women's rights.

joining me to discuss all of this is journalist and broadcaster sam dowler. sam hi. hi what do we think about the what's his not wanting their kids to be involved in the lgbtq thing? well, i for the kids first of all that their kids specifically think well because obviously they you know there's a religious bent to this a massive one. and i think because of that christian belief they don't want any kind of normalisation of lgbt life. i mean would if any of their children gay or what if they are you know have gender dysphoria as like they grow up in that as say like they grow up in that household feeling that they are you know different othered unwanted and that obviously would be painful them. so in this scenario i it isn't really it doesn't really correct in today's life that they that they would carry on this with this doctrine that they have you know bastardised the like the bible in order to in order to get

there when in fact obviously everything the jesus was about love etc. on another like it never exactly . and then here we never exactly. and then here we are. they won't even allow children to learn that gay people like myself are actually normal. well, maybe something different about that which i think the human rights movement has moved very strongly and powerfully towards acceptance and understanding of and gay people. i think we can agree that. yeah. you know, i think there's as much as there was back in the day and i think the trans one is slightly different because when we're talking about children , we're not talking children, we're not talking about just expressing about them just expressing themselves and gay or themselves and being gay or lesbian, talking what lesbian, we're talking what would medical would involve quite medical procedures and kids. you know, as i in my monologue, they believe in santa and stuff like that. so they don't really have mental capacity and acuity to go i mean, they make irreversible changes to my body, religious or not, have right to. yeah, but they're not. but they're not. they're not talking about

irreversible treatments or anything like that they're just simply saying that people exist. and i see how it is. simply saying that people exist. and i see how it is . but and i see how it is. but children get told about fascism and they don't become because they because they learn about it . it's not like, you know , . it's not like, you know, there's no agenda to try and create some sort of trans army to simply saying these people exist might be like this. and if you do, it's okay. what's what's wrong with that? well, i happen to agree with you. i my concern is that such a tiny minority of people that have and i'd look to my own schools and, rc and say , my own schools and, rc and say, yeah, lesson plans. my concern is that you don't the exception doesn't make the role in terms of teaching of course you should have a lesson you say people will. some of you guys in this class will end gay and lesbian and then a very tiny percentage you may end trans fine but that's end of lesson for me. yeah. why why does it have to? why does it have to be? such a big part of the personal health, the economic career? well, i

don't i don't think it is a massive part of it. and also like to know what the what you're saying is, it's very, very tiny of people that very tiny amount of people that go gender dysphoria or go through gender dysphoria or or it's i mean, or non—binary, etc. it's i mean, this is you know, this is it's almost a moot point because these exist informing these people exist and informing children they do exist. and it would be okay if they were as well isn't isn't isn't ever to isn't going a bad isn't ever going to be a bad thing. it's not going to convince them that they want to do it. also and also the do it. and also and also the rhetoric surrounding, gender dysphoria people dysphoria and also trans people are toxic at the are so negative and toxic at the moment that it's that it's that it's pushes it pushes kids. the other like kids always want to and therefore like obviously , and therefore like obviously, you know, there's loads of figures about how, you know there's loads loads more people being referred to. the tavistock clinic, when that was around , clinic, when that was around, etc. because like because, because it's and if one's going, no, you can't it and of course we're going to be like, well, that's how i feel. i feel non—binary, etc. i think just simply informing children who aren't born with any kind of ,

aren't born with any kind of, you know, hatred or it isn't true, isn't childhood hard enough, right? with all the myriad of choices to take a child into. as yeah. as i do my nephews and nieces in cornwall, you go, you can get some sweets they just want everyday. yeah. so if you give them this option between is not a binary to between there is not a binary to say that we should be teaching kids to the vast portion. you're going to end up straight. then there's going to be a percentage of you between ten and 28. and i percentage of you will be homosexual. and then it really stops. and you all. okay stops. and we love you all. okay that's great. that's the thing i think there's any anti—trans bigotry . i think there's any anti—trans bigotry. i think what it is turning. let's be promoting children who may be gay or lesbian and, you know , the stats lesbian and, you know, the stats are that, you know 80% of the time these kids do up to become either gay or lesbian, to go into extreme medical procedures. i think that's what parent is justified . this is what my point justified. this is what my point is that they know they're not saying anything. this adults present. they're not saying

anything about taking drugs or or having to have, you know , or having to have, you know, irreversible surgery. no one's talking about . and it's simply talking about. and it's simply that's simply putting people there. i wish i wish i'd had those lessons at school. might those lessons at school. i might have a freak for have felt less like a freak for you.so have felt less like a freak for you. so yeah i wish that them. yeah, exactly. so you can only you can only benefit people and like ear , oh so like screaming in my ear, oh so i'm so lovely to you and love is what we need is always and we'd love to have you back . right love to have you back. right next up . sorry, i really thought next up. sorry, i really thought it was timing things. i will be delving into my for your thoughts on me for the show and whether or not workers should be allowed to speak back through .

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welcome back . i hope you like my welcome back. i hope you like my mug anyway . thanks for getting mug anyway. thanks for getting in touch with me here and here are some of your thoughts. cherry nurses aren't just striking for their pay packet, they're striking benefit they're striking to benefit everyone . long everyone. the long run. everything needs to change. the government will treat nurses like no like this then they have no respect for anyone . fairpoint respect for anyone. fairpoint sareen yes, the pay isn't that great, james says. i have a family member routinely boasts about a salary as nurse. i'm old enough to remember they enough to remember when they were volunteers. yeah, were almost volunteers. yeah, i'm not sure nurses should be volunteers. james anyway, earlier this week i lunch tennis star who was the poster my wall when i was young along with gabriela sabatini, annabel and we just stop her thoughts on complementary therapy having a reset and positive thinking don't mess it back , see .

welcome back . every week i like

welcome back. every week i like to sit over a cheap, warm which my producer usually steals at the end , share ideas with the end, share ideas with a guest . this week i spoke to the guest. this week i spoke to the former british tennis player, annabel croft, and here is what we talked about . she is annabel. we talked about. she is annabel. she is . thank you forjoining she is. thank you for joining me. thank you for having me. can i confess something ? yes it was i confess something? yes it was a real choice between and gabriela sabatini . as a hostess gabriela sabatini. as a hostess on my wall. really? well, i'm flattered about that because i adored sabatini. she was amazing and she was a good choice. i sat there listening to you an interview tape, a you would talk about phones and being and stuff and how often i know you're very into different i'm passionate about passionate can you tell me i wanted to know a few things one what what what so brilliant about it and to what can someone like me and my poor kids and

everyone who is glued to the screen and myself , i think what screen and myself, i think what worries laurence, as everybody knows, is that we've sort being dragged down this path for quite some time now, but it's kind being a creep, hasn't it? and i look back towards my childhood and even my playing days on the tour. and even my playing days on the tour . we and even my playing days on the tour. we didn't have mobile phones. tour. we didn't have mobile phones . so, you know, for me to phones. so, you know, for me to phones. so, you know, for me to phone my parents after matches on the tour, was suddenly, on the tour, it was suddenly, you you've got to you know, you've got to find a phone or the reverse charges phone box or the reverse charges or buy a little card that you had to pay for. and try and had to pay for. and you try and explain your kids. explain that to your kids. they can't even it because can't even imagine it because they don't know life without this device. but what worries me is i'm sort of the opinion is i'm now sort of the opinion that, a, it's unbelievably damaging to be constantly walking around with this thing in your pocket that is radiating off sorts of signals. i don't know , feel the same. but when know, feel the same. but when i'm holding my phone, if i've had too long a time on my i can feel the waves going up hand and ihave feel the waves going up hand and i have to kind of shake it out. but equally. i'm now starting to think how of our thoughts are

actually our thoughts ? are we actually our thoughts? are we being engineered by ai? and i know laura dodsworth has trying to get to the bottom of them some of the you know the tools have been used on us i don't know the answers to that question, but it worries me that suddenly we're up on my phone. you know, you've been on your phone for 4 hours today and i'm like, what i thought, i know you've been sort of you've just been sort of flicking messages. well, flicking a few messages. well, it me because your it does convince me because your any time i across on any every time i flip across on my and the suggested my phone and the suggested stories, always things that i've been talking with somebody. so the definitely the phone is definitely listening and then. oh, listening to you and then. oh, absolutely getting back to you. but finding that you go to it, it's almost like a cigarette. you go to it for relaxation. but nicotine is proven to make you more anxious. absolutely. i think that sort of thing. so i just i to know as part of what jan is , you know, new year's jan is, you know, new year's happiness , bring us what we can happiness, bring us what we can do through complementary medicine and through you .

medicine and through you. anything to do with detoxing the phone, number one. i mean, i make rules now for myself that i certainly don't have next to my bed. that's a new thing for me and i've just stopped the phone anywhere near my bedroom you know, i'll to go downstairs now in the morning to, pick it up if you have to. but before it used to be next to my bed and i think, well how many rays going through your head when you're sleeping. but if i go for a sleeping. but also if i go for a run or go for a walk in the park, i definitely leave it behind. i want to be a behind. now just i want to be a free human again. i want to be out in park, the fresh air, out in the park, the fresh air, and not to this thing that is like a drug and i do say know if i can buy a dress , something far i can buy a dress, something far too many of those. but if i go buy something, i do one of these days did i it because i wanted it and because i suddenly saw thing and i wanted it or something been sent to me is subliminally messaged me then got me to buy that . i'm pretty got me to buy that. i'm pretty sure it's number one. yeah it

will be in the date time it's worth billions of pounds. exactly and that's very worrying isn't for the future and where we're heading so and i do worry for the kids once again you know i think back to my childhood it was more free and this way that the children being engineered and all of us , we're so and all of us, we're so dependent on phones. and because all of us, we're on these whatsapp group . we've met such whatsapp group. we've met such amazing people , these groups . amazing people, these groups. it's hard to give that up, isn't it? because for me to contact people a forum and sort of start chatting and ideas and debating in a forum you'd have to keep going out to someone who wouldn't you if you wanted to do that so it's a much easier way of communicate how do we replace that very difficult that it's to be very difficult if we just say i'm just giving up phone altogether, but up my phone altogether, but it's a in head . there a dilemma in my head. there should no phone times he was should be no phone times he was telling me about because . i feel telling me about because. i feel completely drained now . by the completely drained now. by the end, i'm like exhausted. and i'm thinking , end, i'm like exhausted. and i'm thinking, what can i do ? you

thinking, what can i do? you need a reboot, i need a reboot. i want to reboot. i very but i mean, i've always been passionate about alternative health and i found alternative health and i found alternative health when i had a very small health when i had a very small health issue where i had a cyst on an ovary . just be straight on an ovary. just be straight and was going going to the doctors being told i was possibly going to have an operation. one of my girlfriends, who is a trained homoeopath, said, no, no no, homoeopath, she said, no, no no, no, you need to go and see my homoeopath. she's the most amazing woman. and i did go and i i was a bit sceptical, i thought i was a bit sceptical, but i'll give it but i thought, well i'll give it a and of course i sat in a go and of course i sat in front of her. she's in chinese medicine, she's obviously very knowledgeable about medical things as well as alternative . things as well as alternative. anyway, she sort of started in her books and she gave some chinese herbs. she gave me some remedies and she said to me, this will not be a fix. she said, but over period of time, your will reduce and absolutely everything that she said

happened and all of the pain and i'm talking about near fainting regularly, i imagine just completely stopped over a period of time . so from my experience, of time. so from my experience, i can't deny that that worked for me and i know people who look at people talk about homoeopathy or alternative they'll think we're all and we just talk gibberish, strange when people say certainly in regards chinese medicine and stuff like that, i go thousands of years old. yeah i can completely understand the western desire for quick fix. yeah a headache. take paracetamol. i get it all. and i think it's a place for all of it. i don't know why people just buy yeah they just if buy so yeah they just times if they just dismiss it and yet me it makes perfect sense because in homoeopathy what i've in homoeopathy from what i've learned when you have so whatever your are when you get ill it's really positive thing because the body is speaking . so because the body is speaking. so if you have a rash that comes to the surface of the body, the skin is the biggest organ in the body. so there's something going

on internally. it will display itself on outside , the skin itself on the outside, the skin and trying to out . so and it's trying to get out. so if feeling sick , body's if you're feeling sick, body's so good at reading itself, if you're feeling sick, body's so good at reading itself , that so good at reading itself, that poison that's inside you , poison that's inside you, diarrhoea or whatever it is, you know . the body very clever . know. the body is very clever. so those symptoms are coming from the root cause . so if you from the root cause. so if you can get to the root cause, what's causing these symptoms, then the symptoms will dissipate . and to me that makes perfect sense. but what we're very good at and western medicine is just at and western medicine is just a quick pill or something to suppress those symptoms, but it hasifs suppress those symptoms, but it has it's just like a plaster sometimes covers it up and it doesn't really get to what's the symptoms and sometimes, you know, they say we're like an onion and if you take off the layer in homoeopathy it display another symptom . so you want to another symptom. so you want to keep on layering . you get to the keep on layering. you get to the very root of cause, the original symptom because the body's very clever. if you hide it one way it will follow route to find another outing and that's i think it makes sense to me. so

i've used homoeopathy for many many years , it's worked for me, many years, it's worked for me, it's worked for all my children . touchwood they didn't go to the doctors really very often . the doctors really very often. and i think it's about taking responsibility for your own health . and i really i just that health. and i really i just that a lot of people would look at it and maybe have a look at some other alternatives sometimes and a to that swamping the nhs a place to that swamping the nhs constantly. well, if they get an appointment in the in the place so would you say what's your big passion and desire . 2023. yeah passion and desire. 2023. yeah definite as we've already talked about to , spend less time on my about to, spend less time on my mobile phone, but equally to spend more time reading because as actually even through all of this crazy period of time that we've all been through for the last three years, i've definitely spent more time reading than i ever have before, but that's really enlightening. somebody once said me was actually nick hutson , who you actually nick hutson, who you probably know. yeah, i love that. yeah we work with panda. and he said, you know, books if

they've the test of time they've stood the test of time and he it's like a five he and he said it's like a five he gives it five year thing. if gives it a five year thing. if people are still talking about books after five years that it's been in the marketplace it's been out in the marketplace it's a you know that's a good book you know that's a good go so you know i good to go on so you know i think what worries me going back to this digital thing is a lot of what's being put out can just be removed. as we know. yeah. and so history can be changed very quickly with the age coming so actually going back to a little bit of what was old fashioned and written down and thought some ideas it could be debated three through books i think it's interesting. so i think it's interesting. so i think my new year's resolution is to read and to stretch more stretching. we're all getting and. when i said to you about rebooting body, if you can open up these energy channels within you , the body can flow a little you, the body can flow a little better. so i think rather than getting stiff and closing up all channels to be more fluid, i think that's good . i also think

think that's good. i also think that what happens when you read and certainly not off a screen because i've got a kindle and it doesn't work when i read so i have actually have to book this yeahi have actually have to book this yeah i like the exercise in the eyes of thoughts and meditate that it yes it's sort of reading can be a form of meditation it's definitely a listening is less so you think when you listen to not yeah but but i've never listened to an audiobook actually i mean i like the idea of using the time in the car these days i've switching off really quick and but i've switched off certain things that iused switched off certain things that i used to listen to and now do talks on. and actually i use that time, even if it's a 20 minute journey . the supermarket, minute journey. the supermarket, i think, well, i use that to 20 minutes to learn something from some interesting talk speaker some interesting talk or speaker or he is inspiring or whatever. and he is inspiring the moment that you've heard, that you listen to , how all that you listen to, how all sorts i listened to lots of different scientists listened to

podcasts mean i couldn't dip into different different things altogether. but i would say the most interesting me at the moment of the scientists on on all issues at the moment or on the on the dreaded dreaded c word . um, yeah i just, i, i word. um, yeah ijust, i, i listen to as many scientists as i can and independent scientists. yeah i mean, of course, that was missing. that's been missing, hasn't it. course, that was missing. that's been missing, hasn't it . which been missing, hasn't it. which just that the takeover of social media is being quite interesting in terms of the role of these scientists who are prepared and now they're now coming back they're coming back onto twitter. and i it's going to be interesting to see what elon musk does, because he's now starting to allow some of these scientists back on platforms. so they were some of the sciences they were some of the sciences they almost following . yeah they were almost following. yeah i'm pleased to see that they are back and. they might have a voice again, but i am also interested to hear from independ ent journalists now who were on certain platforms left them and have kind of found their own

platform . and that seems to be a platform. and that seems to be a new for some these people new way for some of these people to a voice so i've sort of to have a voice so i've sort of gone a little bit of that gone down a little bit of that reach. well, i think that's the best isn't because best route, isn't it? because the whatever the mainstream media, whatever you of one way or the you think of one way or the other, definitely been other, has definitely not been straight a variety straight with us over a variety of issues for a long not of issues for a long time, not just the most recent stuff. so it's interesting that ellen has decided when releasing this decided when he's releasing this data information and data and this information and these that he's these data dumps that he's releasing independent releasing them to independent like barry weiss and yeah i'm matt taibbi and mike schellenberg it is it's been fascinating watch it sort of unfolding in front of eyes and then and then i somebody up then and then i see somebody up a that says, well, hang on a tweet that says, well, hang on a tweet that says, well, hang on a minute, guy in starling. he's trying to put chips in our brain .then trying to put chips in our brain . then trying to do 5g cars . then he's trying to do 5g cars and what have you . you know, and what have you. you know, where are we at with him? but i watch like a documentary on him and fascinating this and was fascinating to see this three part documentary on him . three part documentary on him. yeah, it really actually i yeah, it was really actually i did find him complete , did find him complete, compelling viewing and, really intriguing. and i do hope that

he is for the greater good. i mean, i had to know that none of us know, but i do hope so . and us know, but i do hope so. and certainly it's certainly an improvement on what came before. yeah i think it's a toxic environment you've set, you've said it yourself, you know that because i'm i'm my mum is a midwife and a nurse and a just and a ward sister and all of these things. she say that when she worked in the that was was very realistic. they always used to look at someone's mental wellbeing as well as their physical wellbeing when they were i'm sure they were there and i'm sure they still do in the nhs. she said it was crucial to them. so i'm fascinated to. see what, what, what just freeing up the debate will do to platforms like twitter my twitter twitter because my twitter thread i know that meghan is obviously much worse than mine but it is pretty horrendous. so itend but it is pretty horrendous. so i tend not to read it. i think it's it takes a certain character to be able to cope

with some of the attacks that come on social media and just from my own perspective a couple of times when i put sort of danng of times when i put sort of daring things out three or four years ago and you have a swamp and you've experi it's this it actually made me physically shake. yeah and so i thought my email cut out for this. i will keep more of my views to myself, but i've been admiring of people who just have this barrier around them that they don't care what people think. well, it's a commitment not to self—censor , commitment not to self—censor, because that's where it from in me, because i really do that. everyone has the right to have an. yeah, i feel like you people are just going i just can't say that because i can't deal with the pilot which is a shame that that's where we're at. it's really for discussion. and if we allow allow censors to allow it, we allow censors to censor because always censor. because i always believed when i grew up that, you know, i'm somebody didn't have a proper education because i was out on the tour, i was off

travelling from a very early age. so sort of, yeah, my education through travel and playing tennis, but you know you want to listen different want to listen to different opinions able to form your opinions to be able to form your opinion. so that is the most opinion. and so that is the most important thing in life. i think that you sit round even a dinner table with your family and you can debate across the table or you listen to other people's. and then, i you form and then, as i said, you form your own opinion. but i think there's been of that there's been a lot of that lacking that it's lacking without that it's impossible form opinion. impossible to form an opinion. do you're you do you think you're you basically you referred to it as narcissism, which it essentially if you don't listen to anybody else and, you do live in the centre of your own universe. you are, by a are, by very nature a narcissist. yeah. so it's crucial that we i think ellen's actually done . it's actually done. it's a philanthropic gesture. i'm sure she'll try and make money out of it. and i see a lot more ads social media that i think he has gone the free speech problem is the biggest one that we face in west because otherwise we can't debate things i don't think we didn't even get to trans women

in sport and stuff like this. but you know, you even have a dissenting view and. there was a video last night of a biological man shutting down a screening of , a film, i think, in edinburgh know we're not allowed this broad and rounded debate. we've got to it. we do have to have it. and it's been. yeah, yeah, absolutely . for young people to absolutely. for young people to able to critically think outside and to be able to form their own ideas and opinions. and we need to be respectful of people's ideas instead of this situation where, you know, through social media or people just ranting and shouting. and it does feel, laurence, that there's a lot of angerin laurence, that there's a lot of anger in the world. i mean, there's so much anger and negativity and that in itself creates bad vibes everywhere . creates bad vibes everywhere. and you just want people to be ultimate . we all want people to ultimate. we all want people to be happy , be contented and be happy, be contented and contented. human beings and positive and be respectful . and positive and be respectful. and that should be the way not all this anger . that should be the way not all this anger. and because that's

not good for anybody's to have this much anger in the world, it's sort of feels like we're the eye of a storm at the moment that's how it feels. we're in a kind of a tornado but we're going to get out of it anyway. annabel going to get out of it anyway. annabel, thank you so much for talking and lovely to chat .

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