channel i channel lit of channel i it of need and welcome. this is a on tv online and on digital radio. i'm a quitter. oh for the next 2 hours, me and my panel be taking on some of the big topics that are hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion it's mine. it's the sound, of course, it's rules. we'll be debating. discussing it at times. we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled so. joining me today is broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy , also author and lizzie cundy, also author and broadcaster christine hamilton . broadcaster christine hamilton. before we get started , let's get before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines .

your latest news headlines. nana.thank your latest news headlines. nana. thank you. good afternoon . it'sjust nana. thank you. good afternoon . it's just gone. 4:00. nana. thank you. good afternoon . it'sjust gone. 4:00. i'm . it's just gone. 4:00. i'm bethany in the gb newsroom, a woman who was critically injured in a crowd crash at the 02 academy in brixton has now died. the met police has named as 33 year old rebecca akuma lou of new ingham , the nigerian artist new ingham, the nigerian artist ishak he was performing that night, says he's devasted , dated night, says he's devasted, dated and overwhelmed with grief . her and overwhelmed with grief. her death. two other women, aged 21 and 23, remain in a critical condition . nhs bosses are urging condition. nhs bosses are urging to free up beds ahead of planned industrial action by ambulance crews in england . they say it's crews in england. they say it's vital government and unions talk urgent need to resolve the dispute before the first day of action on the 21st of december. it comes after data shows one in six patients and now more than an hour to be transferred from

ambulance to a&e teams. an hour to be transferred from ambulance to a&e teams . former ambulance to a&e teams. former cabinet minister dr. fox, who worked as a gp told gb news they need to over haul how long patients remain critical care . patients remain critical care. and one of our problems is that we have so many people occupying acute in acute hospitals which are very expensive very intensive for staff and they really don't need to be we need, in my view, to go back to our concept of convalescent hospitals. and i think that we need to ensure that people are getting care, because if you've got occupying those acute beds , got occupying those acute beds, don't need to be there. it doesn't matter much money you pour into the system , you're not pour into the system, you're not going to get the output. that's appropriate for that . the nurses appropriate for that. the nurses union is warning the health secretary's macho negotiating style is hindering efforts to resolve the pay dispute . i'll resolve the pay dispute. i'll send general secretary pat cullen, says steve barclay undervalues the work of nurses because it's 90% female. led

she's urging the prime minister to step in before the dispute and gulfs the nhs. the has been asking for 90% pay rise but says they would any new offer . they would any new offer. meanwhile, a second walkout is planned for tuesday and travellers are facing more delays . the railway as members delays. the railway as members of the rmt union continue the fourth day of strikes this week . trains are starting later than usual and finishing earlier with some parts of the country having no service at all. bus drivers in london are also continuing their 48 hour strike, adding to their 48 hour strike, adding to the disruption. former conservative adviser claire pearsall told gb news there's currently end in sight as. pearsall told gb news there's currently end in sight as . we've currently end in sight as. we've seen all too regularly whenever there are negotiations , there are negotiations, especially with the rail . it especially with the rail. it never comes out in a good way. whatever offered by the government is sneered after, is derisory and isn't going to hit the mark. so you wonder what is

the mark. so you wonder what is the number that mick lynch has in mind .7 what would he accept in mind? what would he accept and what can afford? but it is quite clear that something needs to happen because the country is pretty much now ground to a halt . thousands homes without water in north london after a mains pipe in north london after a mains pipe burst causing multiple properties be flooded. london fire brigade was called to properties in camden last night after water reaching a metre high, half metre high. sorry. affected more than 100 homes. thames water says some homes remain without water as they continue assess the damage . continue assess the damage. phoenixville leader leo varadkar has become the tea shock for the second time. he's replacing fianna fail leader micheal martin . as part of the rotating martin. as part of the rotating tea shock, a agreement within ireland's coalition government. mr. varadkar, previous held the office from 2017 to 2020. police a man and a woman arrested after two young boys were found in

east london were known the children. emergency services were called to cornwallis road in dagenham yesterday. where they discovered the boys, aged two and five, both already deceased. the two suspects were arrested separately in nearby locations and they remain in police custody . the met has police custody. the met has issued yellow weather warnings and is expecting ice for much of scotland and wales and north and south—west england. it comes as blizzards are set to sweep across the north of the country this weekend. temperatures could temporarily rise on sunday however. frost is expected to create difficult road conditions . an create difficult road conditions. an announced he will retire from the sport at the end of next. the 52 year old italian says will be hard for him to let go after a career spanning more than five years, but that he felt time was right. his include 21 british classics successes

and three champ and jockey titles in europe to date on gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now, let's get back to nana . back to nana. afternoon. it's fast approaching 7 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news nana akua where live on tv , online and on digital radio . , online and on digital radio. it's all, isn't it? let's let's not mess about with this 1 million headly or her culturally appropriate name ngozi fulani and go is a nigerian and fulani which is also the name an empire is actually of caribbean heritage. not african as a stage name would suggest. and possibly why got so agitated and asked a simple question as to where she was from mali. you know , after

was from mali. you know, after being invited to the palace housing accepted lady hussey apology how very magnanimous of her. in a joint statement , the her. in a joint statement, the meeting was described as a warm and understanding . perhaps now and understanding. perhaps now and understanding. perhaps now and cosy can also do the right thing. apologise to lady hussey for making a mountain out of a molehill when chose to contact the world. his dog about this event, an event that apparently she didn't actually get a direct invite . i doubt it . it stated invite. i doubt it. it stated that ms. fulani who was unfairly received the most appalling torrent of abuse on social media and elsewhere has accepted this apology , appreciates that no apology, appreciates that no malice was intended. it went on to say the royal will continue their focus on inclusion and diversity within the hunk's programme of work , which will programme of work, which will extend knowledge and training examining what can be learnt from the sister space and ensuring these reach all members of their communities.

ensuring these reach all members of their communities . you'd of their communities. you'd think that the charity boss would now do the right thing and call for lady hussey to get her job back. after all, she claimed that she didn't want it to lose it in first place. although i suspect lady hussey has lost the appetite for this role now given that her entry can be so easily misinterpreted and used against her. the statement read both ms. fulani and lady susan asked now that they be left in peace to their lives in the wake of an immensely distressing period for both . yeah, i bet inkosi want both. yeah, i bet inkosi want that. interesting that she's calling for that now and didn't take this approach at the start, which i imagine would have been the palace's approach . you'd the palace's approach. you'd think anyone with a chart nature would have it read that they hope their example shows a path resolution that can be found with kindness, cooperation , and with kindness, cooperation, and the condemnation of discrimination wherever it takes root . but unfortunately, to see root. but unfortunately, to see her haste in telling the world

firmly drawn spotlight onto her charity system space. and let's hope that for her sake , it's all hope that for her sake, it's all above board. she's currently been investigated by the gla for funding receipt to the tune around about £68,000. i await the findings with bated . you see the findings with bated. you see the findings with bated. you see the trouble with the media is that it has habit of backfiring on you especially when you try to use it for your own ends as are clearly unhappy paranoid . are clearly unhappy paranoid. written couple h and m have found . now what should have was found. now what should have was that the palace should have supported lady hussey 60 years of service. they have uncovered the truth about this incident than giving oxygen to woke mentality that punishes language and ignores intent, especially a conversation based on a single unchallenged transcript created the accuser herself . the palace the accuser herself. the palace did what they normally do . never did what they normally do. never complain, never explain . they complain, never explain. they gave in to what , in my view, gave in to what, in my view, narcissism they gave into it

with and immediately the olive branch to inkosi a kindness that did not to be extended to lady hussey . but the problem with hussey. but the problem with giving in to narcisse and with kindness is that the narcisse takes advantage of kindness and will chuck it back in your face. look at harry and meghan . look at harry and meghan. kindness is never rewarded by the narcissist. i'm afraid. if you open the door to this anyone can be punished. anything or nothing at . all so before we nothing at. all so before we stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate i'm asking, are you fed up with the strikers? must rents across the country are set to paralyse the nafion country are set to paralyse the nation over the next few weeks . nation over the next few weeks. commuters are facing mass delays . railway continue their . railway workers continue their strike action over wages , and strike action over wages, and that's as hospitals are told to free up beds ahead of the ambulance walkout next week . and ambulance walkout next week. and thatis ambulance walkout next week. and that is expected to cause chaos . the health service. this comes

after thousands of launched historic action , the first of historic action, the first of its kind in over 160. and that's to pay for 50. it's time for all round up. royal biographer and one of them will be taking us through all latest behind the palace battle, prince william and catherine alongside the king and catherine alongside the king and queen consort, put on united front at the together christmas carol concert, pulling the out of the controversial harry and meghan documentary. we will that around about 5:00 and then at five it is this week's difficult conversation that is great he's a ceo of a coup which is a revolution in mental health social platform will be life in the studio danny will be taking us through the impact of online abuse harry and meghan abuse on prince harry and meghan after the of after they closed the press of stirring hatred them during stirring up hatred them during a documentary that's on the way in the next hour as. ever tell me what you think of everything when discussing email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb

gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at. gb started. let's welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and columnist cundy and the author broadcaster christine hamilton. right. nice to see you both . right. nice to see you both. it's a girls night. charlie's angels . which one will i be ? so angels. which one will i be? so i'm going to start. it was to go first. and the thing was to have a crack at it, christine. have a crack. this one so easy for me looking about. and casey or harry and meghan and going, guys. well one thing and you alluded this annoys me alluded to this really annoys me and having ride with and i was having ride with a friend mine night who friend of mine last night who said better. there is said no better. there is no transcript. a transcript. a verbatim report, means verbatim report, which means either was taking down either somebody was taking down or somebody had a recording . if or somebody had a recording. if there a recording , let's be there was a recording, let's be honest, we would have heard by now. so there is no transcript . now. so there is no transcript. this is person's this is one person's recollection of what went on. and as we from what did we recall , actions may vary. so recall, actions may vary. so what engaged you said happened ?

what engaged you said happened? i do not take as gospel . where i do not take as gospel. where are you really reading? you know , we don't know that. that's what she said happened. and i think lady susan has shown immense generosity, kindness and dignity in agreeing to this meeting with inkosi , i must say, meeting with inkosi, i must say, the idea that she was invited back to the palace and warmly as footman buying and scraping to her, i find rather offensive , if her, i find rather offensive, if to be honest, i think they might have found some of neutral ground. but i think you, lady susan, has paid with great dignity and let's just see how engaging in return and again you said somebody said in that said or somebody said in that package palace reacted in package the palace reacted in such haste to ours. why didn't they say let's calm down. okay look into it, we'll find out. and then maybe the end of the day or whatever, what taken both sides, maybe talked to a few people who were around who might have heard something instead of which air. yeah which no out the air. yeah i agree with you, christine. i mean, took the palace under 2 hours to throw lady hussey under the without any without them

the bus without any without them doing their homework about this lady. now from her charity. we've learnt of we have been questions about the downing shins, how it's run, who are the trustees. no one can find them . trustees. no one can find them. and she was on every network, every tv she was on that show. that was very interesting. suddenly she doesn't want that or not. she wants to be quiet . or not. she wants to be quiet. so she paid for all it as well. why? why she then when the cogs are stuck to get away from the woman i wish she was on the telly in the breakfast little on the call she was on the radio. it is she was happy days. didn't meet me though. i don't think she'd have gone home with. me? no, i don't like the i don't remember her charity for domestic as opposed to domestic abuse as opposed to just african and black ladies. so maybe myself who has been a victim of domestic abuse would have turned me away at the door. so talking about racism here, for that's me is very racist my i imagine if you'd set up one

just for white people. oh no. that would be absolutely no. exactly. just exactly exactly. so pratima . well, that's it. and so pratima. well, that's it. and i think the palace needs to do the right thing now. i think were scared obviously about all this . from were scared obviously about all this. from meghan markle previously. so i think they need to reinstate racism like racism and we to reinstate a straight away and i think it's very sad she gave six decades of service was like queen's best friend and this is how she was treated is it so obvious to any sensible person that she meant whatever she did or didn't say she meant? no offence whatsoever. and i also say to if you go to an event and you stick your badge under a massive hair or you stick it a scarf that is so rude . other people, your badge is there to identify. but that's again and you should even keep somewhere if that even if that happened we don't know and it goes from her charity because obviously she only looks after black people. african if they came her, she have to came to her, she would have to say, are you from? well, say, where are you from? well, that's the point of this is this

is the whole why i called her a hypocrite, because that the hypocrite, because that is the first you. if first question to ask you. if you're somewhere where you're from somewhere where she's help, then she's prepared to help, then i don't know what is the odds she's to turn you away. and i have to that in conversation have to say that in conversation with brave young lady with one very brave young lady who's a lot online who's been tweeting a lot online with to the charity and with regard to the charity and others have come forward as to their i can their treatment. so all i can say is that, well, watch this space. shall may space. we shall see. she may have can of worms and have opened a can of worms and i smell a rat. perhaps so mean all will be revealed. everything is a looking into it. a charity looking into it. that's the money that's where has the money gone. and because it's charity they should she should accounting should she should be accounting for every last penny. and of course, there's no suggestion that anything untoward that there's anything untoward happening on any happening any audit on any honest will uncover the honest charity will uncover the will. of course they . but will. of course they. but suddenly she wants to be left . suddenly she wants to be left. well, she said she's got a lot sexual abuse there, so we'll be covering but the covering that well. but the tragedy people that tragedy is that the people that she's the she's purporting to help the charity now down and cannot charity now shut down and cannot help all done is a help. so all she's done is a massive disservice to the people. supports the help, people. she supports the help, but did want lady but she said she did want lady hussey get sack, but then hussey to get the sack, but then what she want what does she

what does she want what does she done then? what has she done? what if genuine with what what if she's genuine with that? like to is that? what would like to say is perhaps could that perhaps you could demand that lady hussey gets job, but if she even wants it that she would just it to bang the racist just want it to bang the racist drum. she wanted to do. drum. it all she wanted to do. and i'm sick dog and i'm and i'm sick and dog and i'm sorry if you look a previous sorry if you look at a previous tweets she was very anti royal she said she was very anti—israeli sorry what she said and prince charles of domestic violence against meghan she said in a tweet . she also added that in a tweet. she also added that she is glad that piers was fired over. she is glad that piers was fired over . also that the balcony at over. also that the balcony at the royal balcony would only be white. but why balcony and that's got nothing to do with digital. absolutely nothing do with it that is stunning. i think it's really high time people stop banging this race card because that actually works in reverse. if you're genuinely suffering racism , then i'm suffering racism, then i'm behind you 100. but to have a that and let's honest to record someone is not illegal is it so but but then i think we that

recording is actually so as soon as you spread that recording around and start it with people then that's where the illegality becomes . and so as what you said becomes. and so as what you said earlier suspect if it was recorded which i don't think i don't think it would if it was, then there is no way that those would would would reveal that they have because they would know that it's shared know then that it's been shared and therefore would and therefore that would me. but i this is, know, was i think this is, you know, was spun it was spun out on out spun out. it was spun out on out from somewhere. charities apparently matter apparently black lives matter have helped the charity fund charity. i think we've got charity. and i think we've got deep concerns on how charities run. i think that's something actually that's a thing. actually that's a good thing. i would like to start looking a lot of that she's not lot of that because she's not alone. are other charities alone. there are other charities that affiliated as well that affiliated with her as well that affiliated with her as well that also correct to say, that are also correct to say, well, if you just joined me or we're chatting. ngozi fulani make check out the make sure you check out the monologue news. it's monologue live on gb news. it's just out the 90 minutes just coming out the 90 minutes after gb news live after 4:00. this is gb news live on tv and on digital right on tv and on a digital right after the break. it's time for our debate hour. i'm our great debate this hour. i'm asking , are our great debate this hour. i'm asking, are fed up our great debate this hour. i'm asking , are fed up with asking, are you fed up with strikes ? with widespread strikes

strikes? with widespread strikes gripping the nation during this penod gripping the nation during this period across nhs train services, postal services? i mean, to whose next we decided what it is next. are you getting tired of it? i'm and tired of it. i'm fed up with strikers. they warn people you're not going to be able to live on the wage that you're getting from the what do you think, the strike. what do you think, though? how do you feel about home? send your thoughts, home? send me your thoughts, email gbviews@gbnews.uk home? send me your thoughts, eméthink. ews@gbnews.uk home? send me your thoughts, eméthink. ews@gbialso.uk home? send me your thoughts, eméthink. ews@gbialso tweet me you think. you can also tweet me at gb news. i've got a pull right now asking you that question. you getting better question. are you getting better at strike as cast your vote now 7 at strike as cast your vote now ? after this this .

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have what you've been have a look at what you've been saying. says good monologue saying. greg says good monologue . only one person suffered distress and had her life wrecked and it wasn't marlene headley. caroline says, well said , none of your monologue was said, none of your monologue was brilliant. are my heroine . brilliant. you are my heroine. thank you. john says. it is nice that people are prepared to die for king and country, but and country are prepared to throw their loyal servant lady hussey under the bus. and that's the big sentiment moment. if big sentiment at the moment. if you are in support of marlene headley, do touch as well headley, do get in touch as well so can provide balance. but so we can provide balance. but now our great british now it's time our great british debate asking, you debate and i'm asking, are you fed the strikers. this fed up with the strikers. this week the royal college of nursing walked out across england wales ireland in the england wales and ireland in the latest strike in nhs latest nurses strike in nhs history. now figures released by nhs show that the tens of thousands nurses walked out on thursday , which has led to at thursday, which has led to at least 19,000 patients having their surgeries or appointments postponed. and of course this comes as the government refused to agree to the royal colleges nurses know all our sessions busting pay rise demanded they

ridiculous. i'm sorry 19% and is simply unaffordable following nurses strikes. we've got ambulance drivers rosa set to walk out on the 21st and 28th of december and that's a dispute over pay as nhs bosses have urged hospitals to free up beds in order to prepare for this bit of disruption. and today marks the fourth day of strikes. this week you don't get an exhaust it reading this and the 12th since the rmt union voted for industrial in the summer and interview with radio four rmt boss mick the grinch lynch appeared rattled after his presser raised on the average pay presser raised on the average pay lost by his members going on strike . my question was about strike. my question was about the average amount of pay lost by your members through strike , by your members through strike, which in sum estimated so which in the sum estimated so you to contribute to our hardship fund that is an amount that the in the summer it was estimated being an average amount of 2% because you've said this because because you say

that because you've said your members are making sacrifice. and i've read this in the sun so and the daily man what's wrong with just saying, oh, no, you changed your mind from an average members have sacrificed x numbers of would you have made you're taking it look she's taking information from normal people are thinking so what do you think is mick lynch losing his grip? i mean point he was like he was like the perfect person wasn't it? now, after mounting pressure from those around him, is it all crumbling so with nurses, ambulance drivers, postal workers, rail staff, teachers, all striking, all set to go on strike in the great rush to fight this? so i'm asking are you fed up with the strikers? joining me now is director 26, lois perry, director of call 26, lois perry, former labour adviser writer former labour adviser and writer scarlett former editor scarlett mcguire, former editor of kelvin mckenzie , and of the sun. kelvin mckenzie, and former director and former medical director and chief of bupa, dr. chief medical of bupa, dr. andrew vallance , welcome. all andrew vallance, welcome. all right. so i'm going to start with you, lois , joining me live with you, lois, joining me live in the studio. do you think the nurses right to ask a 90% nurses right to ask for a 90% pay nurses right to ask for a 90% pay rise, in your view? well, it

just you that it's just shows you that it's completely motivated completely politically motivated because that because the percentage that they've for is so they've asked for is so extraordinary and so ludicrous. you assume that this is you can only assume that this is just to as much as just to cause as much as possible . and after all the tick possible. and after all the tick tock dances , everything during tock dances, everything during the national service of lockdown , i think seeing them dancing on the street when people are inside dying is particularly insensitive . we're all in insensitive. we're all in a pickle. it's not their fault that the cost of living has gone up so because we're not energy independent, there's lots and lots and lots of reasons. 400 billion spent during lockdown which the unions love because they at doing they love at home doing absolutely nothing . so yeah, absolutely nothing. so yeah, i they they got a right to ask for better conditions, a better pay, but certain professions did not strike and. that increase was supposed to be or what used to be the caring profession. well, let's go to dr. andrew vallance . andrew vallance, what's . dr. andrew vallance, what's your well your view on this? well certainly as a myself , your view on this? well certainly as a myself, i do feel ihave certainly as a myself, i do feel i have a duty, you know , to be

i have a duty, you know, to be at work when patients need us. but think that other people tend to have moral duty to hear. i think the government has a moral duty to look after its nurses who have done so much work for us over the last three years through covid the case they make not the 19. they've made a mistake. they to go for 19% certainly. and i think that's naive i think it's then also union they really aren't they have never had a strike before andifs have never had a strike before and it's and this has come from the bottom up this has come from thousands of nurses telling the for once you've got to stand up for once you've got to stand up for us and take and so think they have a moral duty but frankly i think the review body of that they were awarded by this so—called independent review . what was it, four, 4% or review. what was it, four, 4% or something which was morally wrong as they took more notice the government evidence than they did of the nurses evidence and they should come back to the table when we've this level of

inflation with and bring them back to the table but at least they've actually had some sort of pay rise. kelvin, your thoughts . well actually going to thoughts. well actually going to the title of this debate which is are you fed up with the strikers? the answer to me for me is no. actually, watching organised labour being defeated left, right and centre actually rather cheers up and. so if you're a state worker you have a form of leverage which an ordinary person instance take amazon for instance, that the people in the amazon currently want to pay rise. i'm entirely in of that. when transfer it into the state arena in which you using the entire nation as leverage to win a pay rise which you probably couldn't get yourself that isn't entirely different debate and particularly ones i want to see to defeat it in all this are the one one union that i can see. it's more than one union, which is the ambulance drivers who are

now saying we're going to leave your mum lying with a stroke and a broken hip. my mother lying on the bathroom floor before six or 8 hours in which they actually a debate , a negotiation with some debate, a negotiation with some south of england ambulance as reported in the times to work out how many hours they were prepared to leave. my mother , my prepared to leave. my mother, my father, my son me on the floor , father, my son me on the floor, that there is no justification for that. and because of that i would like them to be seen to treated like police officers and the army. on the question of the great british debate. those railway guys who are trying to off actually commercial life in this country are losing they are actually reasonably well paid. yes. the cleaners don't get much money, but that's because there are a lot of cleaners to do that job. if there were a lot less cleaners, they would get more money. that's and demand. so the answer with the exception of ambulance drivers i am delighted

that the strikers are going out because they losing money and they will that they are lying led by donkeys . okay, what an led by donkeys. okay, what an interesting take on that. actually, scarlett , your view actually, scarlett, your view look to go out on strike . look to go out on strike. membership of any union has to vote at the level of 80. so we're actually talking about people who are utterly frustrated and they and they've tried and they've tried and they've been patient. i mean, nurses at university college hospital in london, they have food in the hospital for, the nurses, because they know that they're not paying them enough. right. that's how about when we go to ambulance drivers? the point without the strike , there point without the strike, there are old people. i mean , i know are old people. i mean, i know a friend of mine was told that she couldn't multiple sclerosis in her seventies , fell out of bed her seventies, fell out of bed and broke bones . she couldn't and broke bones. she couldn't get an ambulance . she had to

get an ambulance. she had to ring one, one, one. she was number 87 on the list. she finally after 4 hours, got to got taken hospital. that's what's happening the moment and that's what the ambulance drivers and the nurses are saying is the nhs is on its knees until we get fed up with these people. honestly we just got it. let's be honest . only got it. let's be honest. only fed up with this conspiracy you just pointed out from there. he's just been waiting for hours. our bones broken . i mean, hours. our bones broken. i mean, surely there's got to be a better rate than this, especially for those sort of i mean, this is has nothing to mean, this is it has nothing to what saying is actually what i'm saying is actually what's going on at the moment without strike is terrible. so actually so i mean , a lot of the actually so i mean, a lot of the onusis actually so i mean, a lot of the onus is on the picket lines are saying this is about future of the nhs. this is not just about our wages and i think we have to take them serious. yeah. and i think government has a moral duty bring come back to the table. they the nurses i'm talking about have a very strong case got disillusioned. they've got staff shortages. people are

leaving the nhs because they're not paid enough . burn out from not paid enough. burn out from covid. that's clearly a moral duty for the government to come back to the table and negotiate. nurses are saying they're prepared to negotiate. i think they realise it 90 19% ridiculous. it was a mistake . go ridiculous. it was a mistake. go for that. that big thing. i'm not for that. but the government should come the table too. and they should sit down both sides and. and to a fair a fair understand . what about the moral understand. what about the moral towards all the people that work themselves? all of the taxi drivers, all the people that own restaurants, all of the people whose shops are not being frequented in london because a ghost town, because the self fiction is of this strike over christmas. the post workers get the royal mail on strike the way that you can actually help people it's not necessarily by increasing wages but you can cut taxes and you can reduce the cost of living because. if you increase wages, you inflation. i think there is a moral obugafion think there is a moral obligation towards people actually striving and working in

the private sector and normal people . this is the first sort people. this is the first sort of normal christmas that we've had for three years and it's been destroyed by mick lynch and his cronies who he's throwing the macho a lot at the word macho around a lot at the word macho around a lot at the moment to discredit people. i've noticed that. and also the lady from the royal of nurses now using the macho, they've obviously pr meeting obviously had some pr meeting about the word discredit about using the word discredit somebody but mean look at his somebody but i mean look at his behave here. not macho. behave here. it's not macho. you're bash it's disgusting. he doesn't about you doesn't care about ordinary people and he's stolen christmas . is she right? stolen christmas. is she right? this is why i a clear distinction between the nursing union who are not i don't think in a macho way they've been dnven in a macho way they've been driven by their members to do this compared to the who are not deaung this compared to the who are not dealing with it. i'm talking about the health care that i'm talking about who think do need to be recognised as more than they have been over the last few years. do you actually think they're going to get anywhere with because at of with this because at the end of the day people are getting fed

up, is waning and the that the nurses in particular are making is a nonsense. one 19. is just a nonsense. one 19. ultimately they will end up being into higher tax being pushed into a higher tax bracket, end paying more taxes. they this and they're they do get this and they're going be paying for their own going to be paying for their own wages. it pushes wages. i mean, it pushes inflation everything inflation up to everything gets more expensive. actually more expensive. it actually doesn't actually the doesn't make any. i actually the agent has nothing do with inflation . it has nothing to do inflation. it has nothing to do with inflation. and the nurses i mean, we all the nurses are not going to get 19. i in scotland. that would be one of the big killers. i mean, it's ridiculous. kelvin, you because because it's the battle on the card against getting the beginning nhs digital said the average earnings is around 40,000 a year so back into this the fact that they take just over double the amount of sickness in an annual year in a year so they take they basically 14 days which is three weeks worth of so said that they probably have a tough job you

know what there's lots of people with tough jobs out there and i refuse to believe that the idea that that they are angel who have to be treated in some special way if i am them i am dissatisfied with my work in conditions i'm dissatisfied i work. i don't like the hospital. i don't like the set up, i don't like the nhs, all of which i agree with. i will quit and go and do something of my life. the only exactly. that's exactly that's exactly it's actually doing okay they're leaving because . james right. well we because. james right. well we have a 17 year old system that does not work for the ordinary man and woman of this country the only people it seems to work for now are the unionised hospital workers. the idea of you got a food bank and i can decide i need to take killers when the average earnings for a nurse is 40,000. you out everybody knows it's a hideous

contents comes out not going a food bank it's going to quickly change 30 seconds actually there are a lot of there a lot of very badly paid nurses. i happen to having had an operation last week. god knows i would be without not just the care of the nurses, but actually actually how good they were. but real problem with the nhs is that people are leaving because . they people are leaving because. they can go and get better paid , less can go and get better paid, less stressful jobs, good good we need we got we've got thousands and thousands of missing posts in nursing right. let alone social care. we have to have a properly staffed nhs so that we can look after our populace. well agree. but you know, one more obvious question at a we're spending 6 billion, more obvious question at a we're spending 6 billion , £6 billion a spending 6 billion, £6 billion a year on agency staff because they can't get nurses to come in and we're spending ludicrous amounts of money paying much more than they would pay ordinarily until going to have to leave them with this money

that goes to show how badly managed the is. i think something needs to be done. thank you very much. the director of account 26, lois perry, former adviser writer perry, former adviser and writer scarlett former editor scarlett maguire, former editor of kelvin mckenzie, of the sun. kelvin mckenzie, also medical director of also food, medical director of chief medical officer chief and chief medical officer of bupa andrew vallance, of bupa. andrew vallance, thank you for joining of bupa. andrew vallance, thank you forjoining me. you so much forjoining me. great. thanks for your thoughts want what you've been want to see what you've been saying. anthony says the citizens this country citizens of this country have been taking for months, for a while now, action and change is needed it strikes needed excuse me and it strikes and protests happen. i support the to do so i'm asking whether you're sick of these strikes. mandy says this is greed. people are jumping on the are just jumping on the bandwagon says yes is bandwagon that says yes is ridiculous. the government still hasn't it. keep hasn't sorted it. well, keep those coming . that's those thoughts coming. that's what are saying. do what people are saying. what do you do? i mean, you think you just do? i mean, it's just coming up to 48 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we all the people's channel. square on the channel. i'm not a square on the way will continue but this way we will continue on but this debate that i'm are you getting fed up strikers and the thoughts my broadcaster and my panel broadcaster and columnist and also columnist lizzie cundy and also author broadcaster christine

author and broadcaster christine hamilton. then stay with me at 5:00. this week's difficult 5:00. it's this week's difficult danny he's the ceo of danny grey. he's the ceo of jacko jay a, which is an organisation that seeks to help those with mental issues will be me will be discussing and dissecting the impact of online especially people like prince harry and meghan and harry. that goesif harry and meghan and harry. that goes if alone in there as well . goes if alone in there as well. that's all on the way. do not go anywhere .

good afternoon. if you're just joining me, welcome on board. this is gb news are the people's temple. those get you can download the gb news and check out all the different i'm nana akua and it's time for our great british debate this hour. i'm are you fed up with strikers then this week the royal college nursing walk out across england

and northern ireland and the largest nurses strike in nhs history . figures released by the history. figures released by the nhs just show that tens of thousands of nurses walked out on thursday. was causing at least 19,000 patients to have their surgeries appointments postponed . and this all comes as postponed. and this all comes as the government refused to agree to the royal college of nurses inflation pay rise . of inflation busting pay rise. of 19. i mean, it's simply unaffordable. anyone can tell you that. and today also marks the fourth day of strikes week and the 12th since the rmt union voted for industrial action in the summer. so with nurses, ambulance workers , postal ambulance workers, postal workers , staff and teachers all workers, staff and teachers all striking or set to go on strike in the great british debate this houn in the great british debate this hour, i'm are you fed up with the strike ? well, let's see what the strike? well, let's see what my panel had . i'm joined by my panel had. i'm joined by broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, also author and broadcaster christine hamilton . broadcaster christine hamilton. let's start with you up with this. yes, i am totally up. so

before i to get here in the car. no, i am really fed up with mick lynch saying that christmas doesn't start till christmas. shows that he's tone deaf to what is going on. yes, he did. because the damage it is causing business is a knock on and people's livelihoods is disgusting and when the strike was on the other day, i was walking the city, it was empty. there were and walked the pub to try and get some lunch and he was like, well, i had a little under sittings. i've got three now. what is people's businesses 7 now. what is people's businesses ? and they're supposed to be for the workers . well, so he cannot the workers. well, so he cannot any hold this country to ransom they are losing sympathy i'm afraid . well, it's a it's afraid. well, it's a it's a political strike, isn't it? i mean, he's political dinosaur. he's hung over the 1970s trade union militant and he's just trying to get at the he knows perfectly well that many of his workers who is purporting to represent on massively more than

the higher than the average i mean, you know, the average wage in the uk is 30,000. the wage for a signal is 56. now what are they striking for 650 track staff, track maintenance are on 60,000. no it's a lot of money . 60,000. no it's a lot of money. it's a hell of a lot of money. yeah it is political. this is aimed at the government and he just wants to try and bring the government and you you're absolutely right, the knock on effect everybody else. effect on everybody else. i mean, idea that christmas mean, the idea that christmas doesn't begin till christmas day. about day. what the hell about christmas hark yeah, christmas eve? hark well, yeah, but post strike i'll but when the post strike i'll get christmas card that get my christmas card now that apparently said 5th apparently my personal said 5th of i were to post of february if i were to post one in days i was one delivery in days i was delivering days. it's ridiculous. just it's so ridiculous. i just think it's so unfair. time . we've unfair. it's toxic time. we've had such a tough time with covid as. families have been as. well, families have been able each other and able able to see each other and able to joys of christmas. to enjoy the joys of christmas. and i just think it's so and now i just think it's so cruel doing and you know as cruel he's doing and you know as you said, it's all it's political. absolutely. and it's for his own ego. and i think he

likes being celebrity. well, likes being a celebrity. well, you'll the jungle next you'll be in the jungle next then. she loves the limelight . then. she loves the limelight. he loves his own salary, which is worth with pensions and everything, 120,000 a year. he's got a house that's allegedly worth £1,000,000. oh, wow. good for him mean he bought it for him so i mean he bought it some ago. begrudge some ago. i don't begrudge anybody but you know he's sitting pretty and you know what his still getting a wage that whilst these and that's exactly the piece still getting a wage is normal wage whilst the others have come off their wage on a being paid a pittance by the trade unions to be on. yeah. well apparently average well apparently the average railway has will of last railway strike has will of last by the other side of christmas for thousand pounds. so that's a massive yes but as you say he's not losing anything at all. but. right. workers right. we'll seasonal workers apparently get 70. okay i think when he calls the i think he should also his wage pulled back an agent that says because he can carry on talking like this and dig out talking to but he's not suffering in that respect. but where does keir starmer live

with this? this is what this is the problem with labour, because we you know, will he be on the picket lines? no. no, he didn't . he's trying to call the moderate labour that he did. exactly. then to tap the unions because they're the paymasters . because they're the paymasters. but where's keir starmer exactly . where's rishi sunak? well, yeah , we like a business where. yeah, we like a business where. we see. i mean, i know he's short, but certainly he disappeared. he's getting it all the. oh, he's just walk past now. we say this is behind us all wearing this prime minister. he's a prime minister we hear from him, but giving a pay rise above for the same as inflation is to cause a recession. you're just spicy economics and it's just spicy economics and it's just one leapfrog the other. my thought on the way in because the i'm so i'm forces i'm a shining example i of a vocational job now of blindingly another christmas should they be allowed to strike tell you there are professions it shouldn't be

oh you pay if you're paid by the crown and i think should not be and if it's not for you then do something else i think. i think they being allowed to strike but they being allowed to strike but they need some sort of homeless. they need some sort of promise though know look though i think, you know look what nurses wages have up what, 4% they a rise. most 4% they got a pay rise. most people didn't get anything, but it up little bit. but it has gone up a little bit. but inflation skyrocketed. inflation has skyrocketed. i think incremental maybe think an incremental maybe index pay think an incremental maybe index pay inflation . then pay rise with inflation. then when inflation comes down, so does as well? but look does that pay as well? but look what calvin. i totally agree with said when nhs is with what he said when nhs is shambolic in this shambolic mess and the morale is so low , the and the morale is so low, the more money they seem to pour in more money they seem to pour in more money they seem to pour in more money than the less we get out of it. that is not answer. it needs an absolutely radical overhaul, far less bureaucracy and far fewer of these diversity in the system gets started. this system broken, and this shows nothing without of this welcome great british voice your opportunity to tell us what you think about the topics we're discussing right, which we had over to all i love bristol lee

lee harris our regular great british voice. they had a how are you doing? you're right. i'm going to. so listen, august 2nd to these strikers. i mean, just literally man for himself, whoever wants go next. yeah. 100. yes. and i'm not surprised to see that polling is showing support for strikes now falling. you know, the south is selfish, self—entitled , hard left, self—entitled, hard left, militant have overplayed their now they're putting lives at risk, hurting, hardworking people, crushing small businesses and potentially damaging the economy at the worst possible . the what worries worst possible. the what worries the most is the nhs strikes as always already being discussed . always already being discussed. the pay demands are completely unreasonable and they they literally using human lives as bargaining chips at one of the busiest times of year this inevitably affects some of the most vulnerable people in society you can imagine . but my

society you can imagine. but my wider concern is, is for the economy. this affects absolutely everything due to global problems like covid lockdowns, war in ukraine we're already teetering on the edge of a recession. we desperately need our economy to grow . right now . our economy to grow. right now. this is already being made harder . this is already being made harder. hunt's high tax defeatist labour budget . i've defeatist labour budget. i've said only a few times , but you said only a few times, but you know, he said he wasn't going target christmas and they were not going hold the country to ransom, but they absolutely are people . can't get to work. small people. can't get to work. small business suffering. now, he hasn't targeted christmas because it starts on the 25th and he started stopping it on the 24th as they saying christmas eve. that's what you said. listen thank you very much. always to talk much. it's always good to talk you. that is lee harris's our great british voice. well, today i've are you fed up i've been asking, are you fed up with and lots of with the strikers and lots of you've getting in touch you've been getting in touch with your views. neil some of us dream getting back half dream about getting back half the lost the the income we lost in the pandemic others who never pandemic most others who never lost expect us to pay lost a penny expect us to pay for double digit pay

for that double digit pay increases of those going increases a lot of those going on kapadia happily on strike kapadia quite happily by , paul says up with by us, paul says fed up with some of the not all so do need pay some of the not all so do need pay it so some do need a pay increase. yeah i would agree with that some do but it's all getting a silly now. well, getting a bit silly now. well, i've to pull right right i've got to pull up right right now also out in the now on twitter also out in the show is asking you fed up? show is asking are you fed up? strikers currently 78% of you say yes, 22% you say no , not say yes, 22% of you say no, not with me. i'm not a quitter. this is good we're live on tv , is good news. we're live on tv, onune is good news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. when we come back, it's time for our royal round up royal biographer, angela levin. we're giving us her take part two giving us her take on. part two of and meghan. the of harry and meghan. the documentary so much more. all of this after .

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to 5:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital. right now, there's always going on in the royal household . and this the royal household. and this week has been, as we know the second half of harry and meg and, their documentary now it's not a stall that sounds clothes it's finally being the couple have come under fire after the royal household of waging a war on meghan . now that is the on meghan. now that is the prince of course then of course prince and catherine porter , a prince and catherine porter, a unhed prince and catherine porter, a united front alongside the king the queen consort of the christmas carol service. following this week's revelations i love to give you that rundown, but who better to do it? royal biographer angela levin. angela thank you very much for joining levin. angela thank you very much forjoining us. i know you couldn't come in because you got a cold. well i know the terrible that followed . well, look, you that followed. well, look, you look good . you look well. anyway look good. you look well. anyway so. okay, so , so you watch this so. okay, so, so you watch this , harry and meghan, what was ? , harry and meghan, what was? just talk to me about your take it. well, i mean if you say you're fed up with all these people going on strike. my

goodness, i'm fed up with harry and meghan . they're phoney. and meghan. they're phoney. they're ludi chris. they're not spoilt children. i won't listen type of attitude. i mean , quite type of attitude. i mean, quite extraordinary that says i don't believe in hierarchy anymore. you know, meghan done really well. she's doing a much job than anybody else . and she than anybody else. and she should. she should it. i mean, i cried. i raving loony . and cried. i raving loony. and that's because he adores her he thinks she's wonderful . that's thinks she's wonderful. that's fine but keep it to yourself because there are a lot of people who don't i mean there are 82% of people in this country so the telegraph said this morning who felt that they didn't want to harry and meghan even to come to the to the so you know he can have these feelings her great but also attacks on brother i mean i

remember when he i was interviewing for the biography i was writing and he told me, you know , william is the only person know, william is the only person can trust all is wonderful qualities how much is saved account when he had mental health issues was so helpful he was wonderful . and then the next was wonderful. and then the next minute he says his you know, his and shouted at him, i didn't we don't know. of course , how loud don't know. of course, how loud the scream or the shout was. i mean, it's not exactly horrendous if your just shouts at you every now and then, but all that's left open , you know, all that's left open, you know, lots of complaints but actually no proper information . and then no proper information. and then he accuses his father, the king of england , as being a liar. i of england, as being a liar. i mean, what appalling comment . it mean, what appalling comment. it is that it's not funny it's cruel, it's nasty . and he should cruel, it's nasty. and he should know better . i'm very cruel, it's nasty. and he should know better. i'm very surprised that the king and the queen would say, you , yes, they can

would say, you, yes, they can come, but on reading a bit more , it it looks as if it's a little bit coming and that they're , you know, as members of they're, you know, as members of our i will welcome so they're not going to actually beg for them to come they're just going to see what happens to them. but i think they will take over in some way a be very difficult about protection. and there children and of course it will be archie's fourth birthday. and i think that they will take all of the attention away. i really think it's a very bad if they hate the country. so much, if they hate the monarchy so much, stay away . don't want that stay away. don't want that comment . they well, that's the comment. they well, that's the thing i mean, look, i'm just fed up with it. where else can they go what is left and also launch of this thing kind of overseas , of this thing kind of overseas, prince and princess as well the

concept they attended with the king and queen consort which i thought was really know that was just a little bit unfair really. yeah. well that's what they had to do because they got and they can't stand because she's elegant , she can't stand because she's elegant, she works hard, she's very supportive of her husband and they think that's not the way to do it. but what quite coming as well, subtle up and coming as well, subtle up and coming is that meghan complained that she was told that she had to wear she couldn't the same colours that anybody else is wearing and so she said she wore neutral colours she wouldn't offend anyone . but i remember an offend anyone. but i remember an interview her saying don't ever wear colours. i only like two. so that's one lot. but this other one was that she couldn't wear. anyone else was so don't know whether catherine did something but it was very funny to . see her charlotte . and two to. see her charlotte. and two other royals her sister zara all dressed in the same colour and it have to say something you can

just prove it by getting them in the right costume . it were and the right costume. it were and they all look gorgeous. and the children . but i thought so children. but i thought so behaved and so well and obviously enjoying . it's on obviously enjoying. it's on christmas eve. so i think everybody should who can should watch and support them and not listen to whatever the latest trick meghan and harry do to prove that that more worthy . prove that that more worthy. well you do actually they it's all right i was just going to say that frankly i'd like to see a press blackout from them because i think if that happened, there'd be nothing left. it's natural. we're running out of time, but it is always a pleasure talk to always a pleasure to talk to you, out everything you, finding out everything that's going on in the royal household. you much. household. thank you very much. that biographer angela levin. that is biographer angela levin. thank gb on thank you. this is gb news on nana akua. to come in the nana akua. more to come in the next hour .

next hour. so it's just coming up to 5:00. this is gb news onto the online and on digital radio for the next hour . me and on digital radio for the next hour. me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the and the headunes topics hitting the and the headlines right now . the show is headlines right now. the show is all opinion. it's mine , all about opinion. it's mine, theirs, course, it's theirs, and of course, it's yours. be debating yours. we'll be debating discussing times. we will discussing the times. we will disagree no one will be disagree, but no one will be cancelled. joining me today is broadcaster columnist lizzie broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy , also and cundy, also author and broadcaster hamilton. before we started, let's get your latest news . not a thank you. good it's news. not a thank you. good it's just gone to 5:00. i'm bethany lc in the gb newsroom a woman, he was injured in a crowd at the 02 academy in brixton and has o2 academy in brixton and has now died. the met police has named his 33 year old rebecca kumalo of newham. the nigerian artist ashok, who was performing night, said he's devastated and

overwhelmed with grief , too, overwhelmed with grief, too, with the women age 21 and 23 remain in a critical condition condition . nhs bosses are urging condition. nhs bosses are urging hospitals to free up beds of planned industrial action by. ambulance crews in england . they ambulance crews in england. they say it's vital the and unions talk urgently to resolve the dispute before the first day of action on the 21st of december. it comes after nhs data . one in it comes after nhs data. one in six patients are now waiting more than an hour to be transferred. ambulance staff to a&e . former cabinet minister dr. a&e. former cabinet minister dr. liam fox, who worked as a gp , liam fox, who worked as a gp, told gb news they need to overhaul how long patients remain in critical care and of our problems is that we have so many people occupying acute beds in acute hospitals which very expensive very intense for staff and they really don't need to be there we need my view to go back to our concept of convalescent hospitals, and i think that we

to ensure that people are getting the appropriate because if you've got people occupying those acute beds who don't need to be there, it doesn't matter how much money you pour the system, going to get system, you're not going to get the output that's appropriate for nurses union is for that. the nurses union is warning the health secretary's macho negotiating style , macho negotiating style, hindering efforts to resolve their pay dispute. rcn general secretary pat cullen says steve barclay undervalues the work of nurses because . it's a 90% nurses because. it's a 90% female profession . she's urging female profession. she's urging the prime minister step in ahead of further action planned on tuesday. the union been asking for a 19% pay rise, but they would consider any new offer. while former medical director and chief medical officer at bupa, dr. andrew owen said nurses should paid fairly . i nurses should paid fairly. i think the government has a moral duty to look after its nurses who have done so much work for us over the last three years through covid. the review body award that they were awarded , award that they were awarded, this so—called independent

review body, what was it for? for or something which was morally wrong as well . they took morally wrong as well. they took more notice the government evidence than they did the nurses evidence and they should come back to the table when we've seen this level of inflation with and bring them back to the table . travellers back to the table. travellers are facing more delays on the railways . members of the rmt railways. members of the rmt railways. members of the rmt rail union continue the fourth day of strikes this . trains are day of strikes this. trains are starting later than usual and finishing earlier with some parts of the country having no service at all. bus in london are also continuing their 48 hour strike, adding to the disruption. former conservative adviser claire pearsall told gb news there's currently no end in sight as we've seen all too whenever there negotiations, especially with the rail unions . it never comes out in a good way. whatever is offered by the government is sneered at as derisory and isn't going to hit the mark. so you do wonder what

is the number that mick lynch has in mind? what would he accept and what the country can afford? but it is quite clear that something needs to happen because the country is pretty much now ground a halt. thousands of homes are without in north london after , a mains in north london after, a mains pipe in north london after, a mains pipe burst , in north london after, a mains pipe burst, causing multiple properties to be flooded. london fire brigade was called to the properties in camden last night after water reaching half a metre high affected more than 100 homes. thames water says some homes remain without water as they continue to assess the damage . police say man and damage. police say man and a woman arrested after two young boys were found dead . east boys were found dead. east london were known the children. emergency services were called to cornwallis road , dagenham to cornwallis road, dagenham yesterday, where they discovered the boys aged two and five. both were all ready, deceased. the two suspects were arrested separately in nearby locations . separately in nearby locations. they remain in police custody .

they remain in police custody. they remain in police custody. the met office has issued a yellow weather warning and is expecting ice for much of scotland, wales and northern west england. it comes blizzards are set to sweep across north of the country this weekend . the country this weekend. temperatures could temporarily rise on sunday, but frost is expected to create difficult road conditions. expected to create difficult road conditions . and jockey road conditions. and jockey frankie dettori has announced he will retire from the at the end of next. the 52 year old italian says it will be for him to let go after career spanning more than 35 years. but he said that he felt the time was right. his winnings include 21 british classic successes and three champion jockey titles . this is champion jockey titles. this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens now. let's get back to nana .

get back to nana. welcome on board. this is a gb news where live on tv online and on digital radio . i'm nana akua. on digital radio. i'm nana akua. listen, if you just make sure that stay with it because we've got some very exciting stuff on the way. as usual , got some very exciting stuff on the way. as usual, usual difficult conversation . right? difficult conversation. right? so so what do you think about harry and meghan will you watch it? we'll be discussing the effects of social media with my next guest in this week's difficult danny grey, the ceo and jj of jake , which is and jj of jake, which is a revolution in mental health platform. we'll be live in the studio . danny will be taking us studio. danny will be taking us through the impact of online abuse on prince harry and meghan after they accuse the press of stirring up hatred towards them dunng stirring up hatred towards them during documentary for the during their documentary for the great british debate. this i'm asking should the dictionary definition woman include definition of woman include people who are born male ? oh people who are born male? oh yeah. it's also the reverse vice versa for females . well, the versa for females. well, the king dictionary has come under fire after creating an extra for the word woman and. the same

goes to men, too. now include anyone who identifies one irrespective of what gender they were at birth. but do you think that's right? this is right. email me gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet at . gb news. and now it's tweet at. gb news. and now it's time for this week's difficult conversation . but before we do, conversation. but before we do, that was my monologue. somebody taken out . danny grey is the ceo taken out. danny grey is the ceo of jq a mental health social platform? this is set change the way people share information about health. it aims to give the public access to a variety of experts , as well as helping of experts, as well as helping to connect with others from to connect them with others from around danny's around the world. danny's organisation tackles the stigma attached variety attached to a variety conditions, including depression, anxiety addiction, ocd, eating , online bullying ocd, an eating, online bullying and sometimes overlooked when it comes to mental health . despite comes to mental health. despite the that when living in the the fact that when living in the modern what social media modern age, what social media platforms prevalent platforms become very prevalent in lives ? in the recent in people's lives? in the recent harry and meghan documentary, the discuss meghan the couple discuss how meghan suffered abuse at the hands of the and public, which she

the press and public, which she says contributed to having says contributed to her having suicidal . and it was suicidal thoughts. and it was only after meghan and harry moved us that they found moved to the us that they found some of peace. so some semblance of peace. so joining to talk online joining me to talk about online abuse is abuse and mental health is general ceo of hq. danny general is the ceo of hq. danny grey. danny it jake or do you say jack . say jack's as you just say jack. say jack's as you just saw. what does that stand for? since we just asked the question. so it's a new interactive social platform where you can go and ask leading experts, celebrities people's lived experience literally thousands of questions about mental health in a really interactive way, almost a tik—tok effect, where they're sat on your phone or on your laptop. so it's giving empathy behind lies. have information which sometimes online be which sometimes online can be misleading comes to misleading when it comes to mental . mhm. okay. mental health. mhm. right. okay. so did you set this up yourself or what. i did, yeah. so our own amends make up brian called warpaint a really sweet. warpaint for me a really sweet. so you actually do men's makeup yourself on wednesday ? do you? so you actually do men's makeup yotyou? on wednesday ? do you? so you actually do men's makeup yotyou? do wednesday ? do you? so you actually do men's makeup yotyou? do you nesday ? do you? so you actually do men's makeup yotyou? do you up.day ? do you? so you actually do men's makeup yotyou? do you up men? do you? so you actually do men's makeup yotyou? do you up men yourself? do you? do you up men yourself? i mean, you. no, no, no. that's the whole thing. when i started

, been my , i've been putting my own makeup on and i was like, i didn't feel there was a brand of light to me. so launched a brand sort of four or five years ago. but the reason i more makeup was because stuff with body because our stuff with body dysmorphic bdd so dysmorphic disorder or bdd so handsome in your body handsome would be in your body dysmorphic what it dysmorphic disorder. what is it that see? this is the that you see? well, this is the thing i put i was 12 thing i was put in. i was 12 years old. my is used to be angus the head and i was in for a couple of weeks talking about bullying massive bullying today had a massive impact the rest of my impact on me for the rest of my life i've got about 1516 got life so i've got about 1516 got a spot that was a massive a spot for me that was a massive issues it turns my sister escaped concealer i mean wear makeup ever since by got makeup ever since by it got worse and mental health got worse and my mental health got somewhat did sort of somewhat more i did sort of a breakdown had a hair transplant didn't really need a didn't really need one such a massive some bdd can massive even some not bdd can have from one little bit have on so from one little bit of and for you does of bullying is and for you does this does this continue even now or have you managed to sort of get on it and now you've get a hold on it and now you've got the confidence within yourself that yourself to acknowledge that you're imagine you're very handsome. so imagine you're very handsome. so imagine you it? you having both. so what was it? you didn't you were you didn't think you were attractive? yeah do you know bdd can be a of things, but it

can be a huge of things, but it just is much appearance with time. be like time. so even i'll be like before on today off? before going on today right off? to make i've got the right to make sure i've got the right clothes or not feel comfortable. but learned to is but what i've learned to do is learn to manage it. what is how do you know that what you're feeling of a normal feeling isn't sort of a normal thing because you're same thing because you're on the same earth have make sure i'm when earth have to make sure i'm when the is addressed the right thing is addressed i wear makes a bum big wear the makes a bum look big although. you see it. so although. you can't see it. so that's good. know what that's quite good. you know what i there's always i mean? there's always something. but i think if it starts to affect everyday starts to affect your everyday life not want life right, you might not want to leave the house or can take many, many to get ready. many, many hours to get ready. so actually there's huge so but actually there's a huge variety right from here to variety of it right from here to the impact your life. the way it can impact your life. so that's sort of what happened to me. but then for pain. to me. but then for more pain. it that sort of it was born out of that sort of insecurity. your mental health. that's what the make up is that's what the make up brand is called. wallpaper warpaint. yeah. or yeah. and then more paint or wall warpaint. like wall paint warpaint. so like eponym, because eponym, you know, because you got painted on wall got it all painted on your wall paint on, but your customers start reaching because start reaching to me because they to me my they won't speak to me about my mental and me mental health. and it dawns me the information that's the lack of information that's out accessible out there and the accessible information. so example, information. for so example, if

you what depression you google what is depression on in 3.2 billion hits. in google is 3.2 billion hits. and in some that and when you go in some of that information heavy and information very text heavy and it's to digest that so it's very hard to digest that so and for me that's what's missing if get people to write if we can get people to write information right information from the right sources really so sources it can really help. so the average lymphocyte ten the average lymphocyte in ten years they years of people so they reach out like out and with something like mental why mental health i mean that's why we to that earlier now we need to get that earlier now sort interrupted my question sort of interrupted my question before went on before and then sort of went on to but for you to another one but for you yourself that you are been on that or or always that stage now or or was always something was still sort of something that was still sort of well, you kind of thing well, buggy you kind of thing and you. absolutely and it bothered you. absolutely and it bothered you. absolutely a now sort of? a lot better. now what sort of? ten stuff. ten years ago, basic stuff. learn manage it and, use learn how to manage it and, use tools. so this is the big thing. what very about lot what i'm very about is lot people point where they people get to a point where they don't can go, no, don't think they can go, oh no, it's going worse. if you it's going to get worse. if you learn to manage stuff of the learn how to manage stuff of the right information. so still affects but have affects me today, but i have a normal i've learnt to normal life and i've learnt to how that and that's how manage it so that and that's all the right all from getting the right information to information now let's move on to harry meghan because they harry and meghan because they when documentary, when i saw the documentary, their whatever their talk story, whatever you want it, seem to want to call it, they seem to conflate with the press conflate abuse with the press and there's and they actually there's one point actually

point where harry actually blames trolls on the press so the press office is saying stuff and then they sort blaming and then they sort of blaming trolling press , not trolling on the press, not necessarily the press doing the trolling but but they seem to conflate the two. how people conflate the two. how do people handle of social? handle this age of social? because it's everyone's to the young lady he says oh they said this about me. i don't even i can't be bothered. i think somebody says something i might something they said something funny if they said something funny if they said something ridiculous . i something that is ridiculous. i never but i never told anybody, but i but i always try come with always try and come up with a funny or just can't be funny quip or just can't be bothered. don't bothered. what people i don't understand people get so understand why people get so absorbed in it. i mean saying absorbed in it. i mean, saying this get freaked this now probably get freaked out know, out saying but you know, i think, you know, everyone can do what you can do and just brush it off. right. so i had own personal with with personal experience with with trolling when launched trolling when i launched warpaint, over 8 million warpaint, we had over 8 million views twitter video views on twitter with one video trending on web. we got absolutely annihilated with toxic masculinity. this is a joke. it's ridiculous. brand and i'll be honest, joke. it's ridiculous. brand and i'll be honest , absolutely i'll be honest, absolutely crippled, mate. you know what? you normally tend to do is go through you read the through it and you read the negative. i always use the negative. so i always use the analogy if you go to a

restaurant, you have an amazing meal, everything's you walk out and pay the bill. if you go to a restaurant, you have difficult meal you meal or something's wrong. you pull you pull someone over, you won't have about it. have a big debate about it. i think that's not negative bias always. someone is more willing to negative. when it to do negative. and then when it comes online, if there's comes to online, if there's loads people commenting on in loads of people commenting on in a way. it's very a negative way. it's very difficult and say difficult for to come in and say something positive . it's almost something positive. it's almost like want get like you don't want to get involved other involved. and then the other thing of that is thing off the back of that is that generally read the that people generally read the negative comments while being the so don't care who the positive so i don't care who you if it's meghan and you are. if it's meghan and harry, if it's myself, if it's you, i honestly believe it does affect you you affect people because you do you do recommit. that. and do recommit. it's like that. and what think about kind what do you think about the kind of them? and of abuse making them? harry and even fulani and it's even the ngozi fulani and it's kind she's getting a obviously a lot of people not really happy with some of the behaviours of some people. obviously with some of the behaviours of somedon't people. obviously with some of the behaviours of somedon't knoweople. obviously with some of the behaviours of somedon't know .ople. obviously with some of the behaviours of somedon't know . but. obviously with some of the behaviours of somedon't know . but you viously with some of the behaviours of somedon't know . but you know, they don't know. but you know, just what they're saying, just from what they're saying, what do you think with regard the health of those the mental health of those individuals ? think think it individuals? i think think it affects everyone. i think if you all online does matter if it's

meghan or if it's just a girl at school , know that's the problem school, know that's the problem with social media so easy to make those comments and think that's they to get that's where they need to get a bit grip with it. and bit of a grip with it. and i think with jack what done is like a social platform book is no because. of no commenting because. a lot of the can down to the commenting it can down to rabbit and fat people rabbit warren and fat people massive ways and you said that you obviously when needed to make up thing a lot of people you started to get a lot of comments with that so what how did handle . i struggled to did you handle. i struggled to be frank for days. it was on the news all around the world thousands of comments and this is the problem i. didn't know what to do and it really affected my mental health. so i think there needs to be a learning around the and we've talked about this so it's almost bonng talked about this so it's almost boring like about trolling i just don't think it's ever going to stop this about for me it's about making people be able to manage themselves in a mental state. so if you get state. so if you all get involved, do you manage it where the and some the resources can and get some helpful tell people helpful advice to tell people about they can get to get in

touch your organisation so touch with your organisation so it's it's it's jack to org and it's completely platform go in there have some conversations get the right information is fun the other ship thing we're trying to do is really make a cool brand i know sounds a bit strange know that sounds a bit strange a mental health war but i think a lot it is very stereotypical lot of it is very stereotypical so i've come to jack as a cool brand cool people, brand speak some cool people, leading get right leading experts get right information. you do information. and if you can do that think can that i generally think we can change the world. let's hope we can, tony. great. thank you very much me. that's much forjoining me. that's danny ceo of jack danny grey. he's the ceo of jack hq coming up with hq. check him out coming up with the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, should the hour, i'm asking, should the dictionary definition of woman include born include people who were born male? are the male? now critics are the cambridge dictionary after creating for the creating an definition for the word , it'll now include word woman, it'll now include anyone identifies as female, anyone who identifies as female, despite their gender at birth. but is this right. all that after this .

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so is it helping? there's already a definition for. so is it helping? there's already a definition for . a already a definition for. a transgender person . so why add transgender person. so why add another ? so that's the great another? so that's the great british debate i'm asking should the dictionary definition woman include people who are born male? i'm joined by debbie highton, transgender teacher and journalist, to call reality tv's and commentator peter tatchell , and commentator peter tatchell, lgbtq activist . and katie. john, lgbtq activist. and katie. john, when did diversity and inclusion facilitator role . so first of facilitator role. so first of all the definition. do you think it should include people that are born male. i'm going start with you debbie. well the definition is in the dictionary if it's being used it should be in the this a this this definition is nonsense because it's circular. it doesn't explain . but if people are using explain. but if people are using it, then it should be in there so that people can look it up in the dictionary season as it nonsense and understand what's being said. yeah, because thought there was a definition for somebody is transgender for somebody who is transgender and that would be a transgender

woman . what's what what's your woman. what's what what's your on this. i think. i think as my kids would say let's not that's how deep this mum. it's just a dictionary meaning. they have several different meanings . and several different meanings. and also, this isn't a dictionary handed by god. and we must be doing this. i think we should make . people feel included. and make. people feel included. and think that it's about correct times changing. and if a man who was assigned male at who now decides he's a woman, i welcome it. i do not find it offensive. but what's with that? what's wrong melinda? what's wrong with trans? woman because you're not a woman . as in a woman. a woman. as in a woman. biological woman what's wrong. that means there's separate attacks in whole black or half indian. a whole face. well, you just. you are. i'm a woman of colour. they are just a woman they don't want to be identified trans because that's not inclusive . that's prejudice to inclusive. that's prejudice to make people feel included . but make people feel included. but it's defining exactly what it is. i mean, that's what the texture is about. the texture is not about. please define . but

not about. please define. but that's for the dictionary is for definition. peter tatchell, what's your view . well debbie is what's your view. well debbie is including a word in the dictionary is not an approval or a value judgement . it's simply a value judgement. it's simply the fact that this word in common usage. that's how new was added to the dictionary . and added to the dictionary. and trans woman is in common usage and many people include when they about women they include trans women. so the basic definition has not changed. it still says that a woman is an aduu still says that a woman is an adult biological. but there's an addition or paragraph or definition which takes into account trans woman so it doesn't take anything away , doesn't take anything away, quote, biological women. it just adds to it. and i think that the reality is , you know, biological reality is, you know, biological women and trans women are different . but are equally different. but are equally valid. and why that be recognised? well saying that they're not equally valid, but what i said was they're not the

same things. how is it that dictionary definition puts them in that category and could that not a further effect if, for example, that definition taken in a situation where actually you need to acknowledge there is a difference between the two? going to bring in katie. john, when i had no no, i had none. the dictionary definition , the the dictionary definition, the new dictionary definition does between the two. it doesn't merge them. it does say there were two types of woman . well, were two types of woman. well, let's go to katie . your thoughts let's go to katie. your thoughts on this . well, curiously so far on this. well, curiously so far i think all four of us agree on the fact that the dictionary doesn't define, but it also describes use and it's describing usage and how it is change. we've got 1500 years of descriptive usage , the word descriptive usage, the word woman in the oed and things that and the cambridge dictionaries one dictionary amongst men curiously obviously the word for woman is continually been defined by men. since the beginning of time. because all the dictionary writers been the dictionary writers have been men and that time, even the phrase adult human female, which

is still in there and is still the primary and the one that's emblazoned upon the t shirts of trans that's still there . but trans that's still there. but the words, if you scroll down over history and also still in dictionaries, you'll see everything from wife to chattel to servant. describe the word woman. but the thing is, as peter said, it's a different definition. and it isn't so much a definition as a description . a definition as a description. and also it isn't a legal definition . the dictionary is definition. the dictionary is not going to be hauled into court because you'd have to haul in all of the dictionaries and there are many of them. there there are so many of them. there are differences between legal cases case law and cases on legal case law and medical dictionaries as well. so this is neither a medical a legal definition. this is a social definition. a social, you know. so i think that's the thing that is really key here . thing that is really key here. well, that might be just i think, peter, i'm not sure if you all but i feel as if you're creating a division, as if there should be a different definition for trans and there should be a different for whereas different one for women. whereas i in a more inclusive

i feel in a more inclusive society, they should just be one description. , a woman, description. a woman, a woman, whether born man or whether that be born man or they've become a woman . you're they've become a woman. you're still woman. well, i'm sorry, still a woman. well, i'm sorry, but i don't think you would quite right to make a distinction between man and gay man . there are two different man. there are two different kinds of men . they're both men. kinds of men. they're both men. but the two different kind in the dictionary should reflect that. but they are still actually biologically male. and i think for me, the issue is that whilst i agree that a trans woman may be a type of woman, i think that trans woman actually, in my view, a trans woman is a man. so for me , that to me it's man. so for me, that to me it's like the inference is as close a trans woman is a man, whilst they think that to me to if you put that that's what i think if it was me in the dictionary definition would say a trans woman put it in the woman i would put it in the definition of man i wouldn't put it in with woman. the word it in with a woman. the word queen. queen used queen. the word queen is used for female for the monarch. the female monarch . queen also used to mean

monarch. queen also used to mean a prostitute queen also a prostitute and queen is also a word that since 1924 was used of gay men . so, you know , it can be gay men. so, you know, it can be used across the sexes , genders. used across the sexes, genders. sometimes it's all about context and descriptors and social evolution is that as a woman, why do you think that ? why did why do you think that? why did you want this distinction? do you? because i know because a trans woman is. no, no, no. i'm just being factual. a trans woman actually okay woman is actually a man. okay a trans woman. if you go to the biological definition now, that's what i think. see, i don't think that a i don't believe a trans woman is a woman. i believe a trans woman is a all they woman . and that's is a all they woman. and that's my issue with it. that's issue. but i think you're saying one thing when it actually is , and i thing when it actually is, and i think it's a it's a contradiction in terms because one is not a woman. a woman, i think to me is an adult female. and i don't think that a trans woman is a woman i think a trans woman is a woman i think a trans woman is a trans woman. and ultimately trans woman is actually a man. debbie yeah. no

trans. you're right. transwoman a and you can get that from the dictionary. a dictionary says that a man, an adult, male human being , i'm that a man, an adult, male human being, i'm male human being, i'm an adult male human being. therefore a trans woman is man . so we can argue that. is a man. so we can argue that. but what we've got here, a dictionary definition and dictionary definition and dictionary just dictionary definition is just simply define usage . for simply define usage. for example, incidentally , did i did example, incidentally, did i did look up some of these before trans woman isn't listed so perhaps we should be grumbling about why that's enough. but there's other definitions . well, there's other definitions. well, look, need to go. for look, we need to go. for example, gold element element 17 out in the periodic table . but out in the periodic table. but i've got gold stars on my christmas tree. but we know they're not really gold . we use they're not really gold. we use they're not really gold. we use the that way. so the the word in that way. so the dictionary, the in that dictionary, the usage in that way . but dictionary, the usage in that way. but think dictionary, the usage in that way . but think you're taking way. but i think you're taking away from that what trans women , they want to be known as just women not trans. you keep taking away that they're a woman. but i'm not taking anything away. it's not there. no, i'm not taking anything away. i'm just at just looking it at it. i'm just looking at it and saying that

and i'm just saying that i appreciate you can words to appreciate you can use words to define things. in define different things. in my view, a woman is a biological thing and i don't believe that it's something that is open to the sexual body to actually you're not british, you're indian brown. you're not british. it's i'm talking about specifically from the statements put in front. i'm talking specifically about women and about biology. you is question about biology. you is question about biology. you is question about biology well, biology includes , physical attributes , includes, physical attributes, but the latest cutting edge science shows that biology also brain structures and brain processes . and the evidence is processes. and the evidence is that trans women and men have different slightly different brains, choose and brain processes compared to non trans people and that is a biological for their trans identity. why they should be trans. we know trans men inclusion fusion thing in their brain process and brain structure that doesn't make them

a trans woman. isn't that for a woman? is that what you're saying because. well what you've just said i mean, because you said it quite clearly that a trans woman has a different biological structure to a woman. therefore trans was woman therefore that trans was a woman is a woman. not only does is a trans woman. not only does it they just to what it matter they just to what foetuses . i'm not saying that it foetuses. i'm not saying that it not but in my i just don't think that the same i think that that the same thing i think that for it seems be a for me it seems to be a contradiction in terms you're describing something in the dictionary a as a trans dictionary as a as a trans woman. but thing you're describing is actually biological . so to me, no, but by biological. so to me, no, but by logically anyway, you want to look at it. they could have been born a man, but you know what? let's be and nice, let's be fair and nice, inclusive. all women . inclusive. they now all women. let's include that. let's include them in that. let's include them in that. let's think. but you're not really it's nice . well it's really it's not nice. well it's not about being nice. i'm going specifically in my view the specifically with in my view the reality i think that would be we've got to be careful of muddying waters in such manner muddying waters in such a manner because that that will because i think that that will seep things and that seep into other things and that might well , for example, might well, for example, it's already seeping things like sport where trans trans women

are competing against women. is that the same ? no. is a tiny, that the same? no. is a tiny, minuscule % but that's the minuscule% but that's the beginning . that tiny percentage beginning. that tiny percentage thatis beginning. that tiny percentage that is the beginning of it. i'm going to actually true this is we're about 0.5% at most of the population in my ten and we make up 10% of the tweets every day and about 20% of the news. it seems so disproportionately where out there but also even within trans there are a multitude of ways of identifying within trans. debbie and i will use different language to express ourselves. how do you account for more trans people on here than before? more ways of expressing themselves? and this is is about a freedom of is of this is about a freedom of expression don't whether expression. i don't know whether the dictionary is also the cambridge dictionary is also caught everything demi caught up with everything demi boy to non—binary to all of the other language . sometimes people other language. sometimes people absolutely want to drop the label trans as they transition . label trans as they transition. and there are others who are

comfortable with maintaining. i'm comfortable with epithet of trans but that's my just does inclusion and i want to go out with the render any kind of you know girls night out if she's going to include me as a girl on you're not going to walk into a group of women and demand they treat me as a woman or call a woman you know i want i do not want to take the word woman . i want to take the word woman. i will. but i love it when it is conforming and gifted . well, i conforming and gifted. well, i mean, listen, thank so much for your thoughts on that really . your thoughts on that really. good to have you views. debbie hayton, transgender teacher, journalists to louboutin, local reality tv star and commentator peter tatchell . activist and peter tatchell. activist and also katy john. when diversity and inclusion facilitated. thank you so much . and inclusion facilitated. thank you so much. in a and inclusion facilitated. thank you so much . in a previous you so much. in a previous statement to cambridge , statement to cambridge, spokesperson said the first definition or the entry for women unchanged and continues to be an adult female human being. our dictionaries are written for learners of english and are designed help users understand

engush designed help users understand english as it is commonly used. they are compiled by analysing a large corpus of english text over 2 billion words in total taken from all the areas of writing and publishing which allows us to see exactly language is used. we regularly our dictionary to reflect changes in how english is used based on analysis data from this corpus . you're with me on this corpus. you're with me on this is good is on tv online and on digital right it should that would used in this way. coming up, we'll continue with the great debate i'm asking you should dictionary definition should the dictionary definition of people who of a woman include people who are born male? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel of broadcaster lizzie broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy also author and broadcaster christine hamilton. cundy also author and broefirst, er christine hamilton. cundy also author and broefirst, let'sristine hamilton. cundy also author and broefirst, let'sristiitheiamilton. cundy also author and broefirst, let'sristiithe latestyn. but first, let's get the latest news headlines . but first, let's get the latest news headlines. nana, thank you. good afternoon . 532 i'm bethany good afternoon. 532 i'm bethany l.s. in the gb newsroom. a woman who was critically injured , a who was critically injured, a crowd crash at the o2 academy . crowd crash at the o2 academy. brixton has now died . the met brixton has now died. the met police named her as 33 year old

rebecca akuma of newham. two other women, aged 21 and 23, remain in a critical and has bosses urging hospitals to free up beds ahead of planned action by ambulance crews in england. they say it's vital the government and unions talk urgently to resolve the dispute before the first day of action on the 21st of december. it comes after data shows one in six patients are now waiting more than an hour to be transferred from ambulances to any . the nurses transferred from ambulances to any. the nurses union warning that the health secretary's macho negotiating style is hindering efforts to their pay dispute . general secretary dispute. general secretary collins says steve barclay undervalue the work of nurses because . it's a 90% female because. it's a 90% female profession and she's urging prime minister to step in before dispute engulfs the nhs . the dispute engulfs the nhs. the duke and duchess of sussex will beianed duke and duchess of sussex will be invited to the king's coronation in may next year.

that's according to the daily telegraph . that's despite harry telegraph. that's despite harry and meghan making claims levelled at the royal family in their netflix documentary series. the newspaper says the guest list is yet to be decided, but family members are welcome . but family members are welcome. croatia has third place in the world cup , a narrow two one world cup, a narrow two one victory over morocco . mislav or victory over morocco. mislav or stitches . late first half strike stitches. late first half strike was enough to settle the contest after two early goals from inside the first 9 minutes of the match. france will play against argentina in the finals tomorrow . you're up to date on tomorrow. you're up to date on tv online and dab+ radio. this is gb news we'll get back to nannain is gb news we'll get back to nanna in just a moment moment.

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radio. i'm nana akua . we are the radio. i'm nana akua. we are the people's channel and it's now time for our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, should the dictionary definition of woman include people who are born male ? now, people who are born male? now, the cambridge dictionary has recently changed the definition of woman include transgender of woman to include transgender people assigned people despite their assigned gender at birth and definition of man has also been . gender at birth and definition of man has also been. but is it for the better ? who is helping? for the better? who is helping? there's already definition for trans. trans gendered person who identifies as a woman so why add another one? so that's great. but just to make this a asking, should the dictionary definition of woman include people who are male? let's see what panel make of that. i'm joined by lizzie cundy and christine hamilton . cundy and christine hamilton. lizzie i was chatting with my debaters and they said, oh, well, because it's just a dictionary definition , not like dictionary definition, not like a biological, it's just. but i think this is the beginning of it. i don't think. whilst it sounds very nothing transgender

woman is not a woman and a woman. that's what i think. i don't think it should be encompassed in the same definition. i totally agree with you, nana you put up a point that really feel strongly that i really feel strongly about it's impacted the about because it's impacted the world sport with athletes , male world sport with athletes, male genes going up against women athletes and. it is so unfair. and i have a friend who's runner and just was completely disillusioned by the whole sport . she's trying to live a life. it's nice, she said. i'm not, of course, going to be quicker faster . and quite frankly, faster. and quite frankly, i think it's up a nonsense. this i really think another attempt by the woke brigade to promote marginalised communities and all it does is it's stuck anxiety and stress will also one of the panellists pointed one of my debates pointed out the dictionary is written by a man that was samuel did you know and i think would be quite upset with all this if i just i just

don't understand why they're acting like. it's such an innocent sort of oh, it's okay. i think it's a creeping in to sort of blurring the lines and. i don't think that they should be blurred in any way, should i think the definition needs to be clear. you can't say, oh, it's just the of the use of just the changing of the use of the why it. no, the words. that's why is it. no, you're changing the use. i'm not against you going with it, christine. absolutely not. and it is it's an insidious creep of this so called identity politics and. they justify it. these people, by saying it. we have to write what the usage is. i don't think the you know, is that a trans is a woman. i think the usage is generally is that a woman is a woman. usage is generally is that a woman is a woman . a trans woman woman is a woman. a trans woman is a trans. and i think it's and it's ridiculous. they the same definition there's one dictionary which i thought was i looked this up it said defining a woman as quote, having a gender identity opposite to male . so then you look at male having i agenda opposite to female which of course is useless but now it's quite wrong

andifs useless but now it's quite wrong and it's trying to force the majority to accept a minority view. as always, it is the tail , the dog, but in a most dictionary, compilers do probably work this house. so what can you expect? it's just very unfair. i mean, i thought it's unfair . very unfair. i mean, i thought it's unfair. it is. said he wanted to run as a woman and people shuffled . i think it was. people shuffled. i think it was. and i thought i, was this fair? how is it fair on women didn't do it, did they? well i do keep up with the careers of women and theyi up with the careers of women and they i don't believe that the dictionary consulted women because i think if they said, oh, well, this is the way the word is used. not in my book, not in not my book is that i. your book, though, seems and i don't think it is in the first majority of people it's we are being forced accept a minority view and this is yet one more step on that road. well that's exactly what was also pointed out in discussing that it's a minority and said well exactly this you might think that that's not the word to be used but to

be hayden is saying it's ridiculous. a transgender woman, she i don't understand why it seems a lot of the trans lobby or a lot of the transgender people. but i even know whether it's actually them i talk. people accept the people won't accept the definition transgender definition of transgender women. i insist that they are i want to insist that they are women and. no, sadly, they are. they are wrong with being trans. exactly so but look at j.k. rowling and all of the trouble she's had and sadly, some play the sex. it's a car. it's a drop of a hat, which, of course, is prejudice and discrimination, you know , and it's so unfair. you know, and it's so unfair. and the people who really suffer are the born women. people like to squeeze out the born so that that we don't exist . and we that we don't exist. and we suddenly have to be in one great book and a more amorphous mass of everybody else. it's just ridiculous. all this diversity and inclusion put us all together . then people want their together. then people want their own identity the diverse own identity within the diverse in so so then in inclusion so that so then you've got all different you've got all the different definitions combined with this other syllable. thought you other syllable. i thought you wanted yes. no i'm wanted to include yes. no i'm supposed to be a cisgender woman because like, no ,

because and that's like, no, just just woman. but this is what woman and but it's what woman and then. but it's causing real anxiety and stress and confusion and it's totally not fair. it's dehumanising women. and i'm proud to be a yes because define what kind of woman i am when there is one woman i am when there is one woman and a woman, then you can have different versions of what you might call as a transgender woman. ultimately, you're man woman. ultimately, you're a man , so that's okay. but the commonwealth. but this is a slippery slope . is a slippery slippery slope. is a slippery slope. i mean, look, even in the music now, you know, even music awards now, you know, even adele said, you know, i'm proud to woman. i've worked hard to be a woman. i've worked hard in this very own stated business and done so well as a woman , but and done so well as a woman, but cannot be awarded one. and cannot be awarded as one. and i'm in the dictionary defence it because they say they to reflect current usage. i don't think i don't know why did what i said one of their defence is i don't think usage is to include trans women as women. the vast majority of people do not they they are a separate category people said welcome you know to

be a man who is now a woman that's fine nobody's rejecting them nobody is etc, etc. but to say that just a woman like a person is born woman but. but it's very unfair. as i said in, the sports world to be you know competing. i get, you know how then it trickles in it's a trickle trickle trickle effect until . eventually we're going to until. eventually we're going to have to accept this narrative that a trans woman is a woman, just is born as just like woman who is born as a woman , and it just isn't true. woman, and it just isn't true. i don't know why should worry about called a trans about being called a trans identity or woman. there's identity or trans woman. there's no be a trans fat dairy no and i'll be a trans fat dairy and that will let's see what i you like racism to. well exactly people using this let's see what have you think let's welcome some of our great british voices this your opportunity be on this is your opportunity be on the show and tell me you think about topics that we're about the topics that we're discussing i've three about the topics that we're disyou. ing i've three about the topics that we're disyou. right. i've three about the topics that we're disyou. right. let'sve three about the topics that we're disyou. right. let's start three about the topics that we're disyou. right. let's start withze of you. right. let's start with jonathan. cornwall jonathan. he's there in cornwall he's got a cup of tea. he's got to jonathan. yeah so what do you think about this? so the dixie definition, which isn't is just a you sige of the word, which i

don't a trans as a woman, don't a trans woman as a woman, but i don't whether you do. but i don't know whether you do. what you think. yeah . what do you think. oh yeah. think it causes confusion and. anxiety, as we just heard. i think i actually drinking tea. it's called menu confusion in the dictionary. it's not tea . the dictionary. it's not tea. and i think this is just a bit of fun. cambridge, i think you said it's cambridge dictionary. they just want to get one over oxford. i think we should do is identify oxford as cambridge and see goes down. no no see how that goes down. no no that's a good point isn't it. i like that that. yeah they wouldn't be happy with that. let's go to miranda richardson. the miranda richardson. but she's got a different matter, which then which richardson she's on then miranda you're there in northamptonshire. are northamptonshire. what are there? say? do you there? what do you say? do you do use transport? this woman do you use transport? this woman to i'm getting so to know all it's i'm getting so confused as to i'm supposed to use i'm not supposed to use and help what you're to a dictionary if you are someone who's learning english or beginning to under english understand english to give you a definition. now i know, like we've said earlier , know, like we've said earlier, they're trying to use it as

expert relations in a way too. and i think one of things and i think one of the things they've said to use it they've kind of said to use it in sentence we do most in the sentence we do most words. so that, you know, the doctor encouraged the man to live his life as a woman for a while to see he gets on that's one their understanding what one of their understanding what even she a trans woman even though she is a trans woman i'm confused well what do what will far too much going on in my life to worry who will you say that ? but life to worry who will you say that? but then? but then life to worry who will you say that ? but then? but then the that? but then? but then the trickle. trickle effect would be that the men who identify women can use women's prisons. remember how we're going now. and that's how it is . and and that's how it is. and suddenly in the suddenly it says in the dictionary, might dictionary, that's how it might sound. innocuous . and i sound. very innocuous. and i think why you see we're think that's why you see we're heading there's no way going to ever going to happen. well what is happening, julie ford, you're there in bedford. what do you think ? well, at the end of the think? well, at the end of the in a thousand years time, now know when they're digging up. they're only identify they're only going to identify bones female nothing bones as male or female nothing in between. i think this is really blown out of proportion because at the end of the day, a

dictionary is nothing more than a tool . it's there to a learning tool. it's there to help us understand the definition word and how to definition of a word and how to use it best in language, in a sentence. people have a trans so gone through so much to be trans. i think clubbing them on the end of woman is actually them a disservice. i think they their own section in the dictionary to be good thinking you'd well these you'd think they'd well these things so i don't even think any trans trans women would even agree don't know whether agree this i don't know whether they spoken to they get it whether spoken to any women but far any women either. but so far women to cetera women i've spoken to cetera trans as a and a woman is trans as a woman and a woman is a thank much to a woman. thank very much to jonathan and miranda northamptonshire also julie northamptonshire and also julie in.thank northamptonshire and also julie in. thank you. and now it's time for another story that caught my well, second part i've got well, the second part i've got well, the second part i've got we it, so going we didn't talk it, so i'm going to talk it. now, to talk about it. now, the second part of harry and meghan's controversial documentary, released documentary, which was released in the last three episodes, they the press as telling lies starring drama and causing a large amount of negative attention towards them. they also the various also claim that the various royal households have been working against them . so what working against them. so what do you think? think we

you think? do you think we should media blackout on should have a media blackout on harry and meghan? let's go to my panellists. i'll start with you, christine hamilton. you christine hamilton. what do you think? would be think? well, that would be wonderful, is wonderful, wouldn't it? is awesome. but i'll tell you, it's backfired. the backfired. i was looking up the figures since the last the netflix thing has has aired harry's approval rating has gone down from minus. —13 to —26. and meghan's approval rating has gone down from . —32 to —39. and gone down from. —32 to —39. and by contrast , is plus 62 gone down from. —32 to —39. and by contrast, is plus 62 and kate is plus 57. you know , and they is plus 57. you know, and they haven't done themselves any disservice because i think the great british public have seen through them the trouble that they no longer are interested in what you might call the british way of life, which is utterly represented by william and kate and their nuclear doing their job, getting on with it. you know, they've joined this sort of global elite , the obamas and of global elite, the obamas and oprah winfrey. i don't think the

obamas clooneys have got this one. i'm a religious sure. now, there's nothing else wokeism. oh, you talked about their rating. i wonder what their netflix rate is. that's all they probably care about. what do you think? netflix will think? i think netflix will be wanting money wanting their money back. i really i really do . me, really do. i really do. me, myself and i should have been. let you, she has scored let me tell you, she has scored the biggest own ever and it's backfired not just in this country, but across pond in the usa and it is really going well. she thinks you know, the british monarchy has been with us, what, for over a thousand years. she with her slurs, smears lies she can bring down our monarchy. i'm sorry. you're wrong. she really didn't judge how much we love royal family and how, you know, how upsetting it is for us to hear this woman, this in the dock in the documentary that she said that the people, the british people didn't, you know, they didn't realise actually how much they were loved when they were think they were leaving. and i think they realised they'd been a mistake. i'm but just by i'm sorry, but just by complaining the cottage i'm sorry, but just by comjwere ng the cottage

i'm sorry, but just by comjwere complaining cottage i'm sorry, but just by comjwere complaining ,ottage i'm sorry, but just by comjwere complaining, ittage i'm sorry, but just by comjwere complaining, it wasn't they were complaining, it wasn't royal enough and small to the judge. the room we're in the high cost of living. there's a war in the ukraine and we're supposed to feel sorry for them because nobody supposed to feel sorry for them other. that's wonderful. somebody has to . that's fun . and somebody has to. that's fun. and if netflix wants to put them out, it's a love story. but the way they have out, it's a love story. but the our greatest relations, as you said earlier, calling the king a liar and being terrified because his at him. brother his brother at him. what brother hasn't shouted his name. it's just like . yeah, well, it's just like. yeah, well, it's mostly to his 24 on the whole be but i'm not by the book i've heard enough it's time for our quickfire quiz. it's the part the show our test my panel and some stories in the some of other stories in the headunes some of other stories in the headlines right now. joining me, broadcaster columnist lizzie broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, also author and broadcaster say broadcaster hamilton. let's say your lizzie and christine your bosses lizzie and christine , your bosses match your clothes . now, remember, don't press them before i finish the question. question one play along at home. in order to avoid offending students at university

universities requested everyone cause the christmas period. what a holiday fun times be festive. feel free time see winter clothes appear as lizzie. i hey, what was that? what was it? houday what was that? what was it? holiday holiday. fun times, christine. any. any i don't know. festive, free time should think it was actually going to in one of the least seasons of woke for goodness sake yes the university she said that calling the holiday christmas be seen to be offensive the political question is correct ms. killed the christmas spirit i don't think say question two to you often it's not a single england fan has been during the world cup tournament in qatar. lizzie i think that's true. christine. first of all, i've no idea let's say false. i'm not a fan . no, say false. i'm not a fan. no, it's true. oh, my god . there was it's true. oh, my god. there was no booze they had to behave. they knew they'd actually to jail. exactly. yeah. so the first time ever, not a single england has been arrested during a world cup. do you think that that's due alcohol that's partly due to the alcohol restrictions? yes. no, most

definitely . right. question definitely. right. question three, what did fire brigade have to rescue from a lamp post dunng have to rescue from a lamp post during the cold snap? there during the cold snap? was there a cat? was be a challenge to click the post over there or see seagull . it click the post over there or see seagull. it was that as christine a cat i'm going to go for child i like the lamp i think it was in movie wasn't it 7 right. oh think it was in movie wasn't it ? right. oh listen, you totally both of you wrong , actually. a both of you wrong, actually. a seagull . oh both of you wrong, actually. a seagull. oh we don't we both of you wrong, actually. a seagull . oh we don't we don't seagull. oh we don't we don't all just eat . seagull. oh we don't we don't all just eat. no whole thing does feed frozen to the lamp post. the blanks is pretty big and complained that the brigade was wasting time resources by freeing the bird. you think that that was that they should really be watched that bird just slowly you've got to look after . well you've got to look after. well what about other people don't take i love birds how long did it take? well, what about the people in their homes? chilling freezing because of the cost of energy. yeah, you couldn't leave a right? good

a seagull. right? let's. good question . one man pledged to question. one man has pledged to eat enormous amount of yorkshire puddings christmas . but how puddings on christmas. but how many ? whole thing . many crows this? whole thing. lizzie? i'm sorry, 48. i don't know. why come into my head? because freshly baked puddings on christmas day . 66 000, on christmas day. 66 000, probably 26. it has. the father of two is calling itself the uk's biggest yorkshire pudding and equally tends to prove it this christmas. you've got to see. well, we can't he can't just say somebody you have at one i don't really like them. okay they're all there and there's a hole in the middle. sadly, they're all i could eat. ten, ten, ten. yeah, 600. i love seeing the picture. this question five final question. what schools that somebody will be counting them? question five the final of the world cup is tomorrow, but what player on the pitch has the most ballon dors oh look, i haven't got a clue . oh look, i haven't got a clue. don't know who i am, but please no football award because i was

going to say massive because i see anyone i've heard of. well as you said, nancy. let's see if mbappe messi or pierluigi ruud . mbappe messi or pierluigi ruud. oh, i didn't see the third one. my . he looks like rylan my fault. he looks like rylan snell classic. the answer is matchday. yeah okay, that was too lazy because you've got in first it's lionel messi play in his final world cup match tomorrow he currently holds the most ballon d'or odds which is seven who are you voting for in the finals? two certainly not france, i'm afraid to say to us is that france against whoever is that france against whoever is argentina ? i'm looking for is argentina? i'm looking for whoever is argentina. yes indeed, i'm going to go for the last time in the sweepstake when i to work at capital radio, i worked with all men and i pulled sweepstake of france and they all got i won the money . £1 of all got i won the money. £1 of girl . well, on today's show i've girl. well, on today's show i've been asking you all you fed up with the strikers and according to our twitter poll, 80% of you say yes, 20% say no . huge. thank say yes, 20% say no. huge. thank you to my panel, broadcaster and

columnist lizzie cundy. lizzie thank you very much. that's the author and broadcast . christine author and broadcast. christine hamilton, much hamilton, thank you very much for joining today. and then for joining me today. and then get you a home for your company tomorrow. i'll joined by tomorrow. i'll be joined by broadcast journalist kelly, political . it's political commentator. it's down, so make so you join me there. we've got some exciting and outside for you stay tuned. you can also catch up with the gb news app chuck malta and don't to watch my monologue on youtube where you can also stream the shows live we'll see you tomorrow at four but i'll leave you with the weather forecast. i have a fabulous day. enjoy your day and i'll see you tomorrow . looking ahead to enjoy your day and i'll see you tomorrow. looking ahead to this evening's weather , the uk will evening's weather, the uk will be cold and frosty . a few wintry be cold and frosty. a few wintry showers in the north. let's take a look at the details . skies a look at the details. skies will be clear this evening across england it'll across england where it'll chilly and frosty once again . chilly and frosty once again. ice may also form over the high ground. temperatures will also plummet across the south—east of england with another frosty night. it'll stay , but there

night. it'll stay, but there could be a few mist and fog patches this evening . south patches this evening. south wales will be dry and this evening with clear skies . evening with clear skies. however, showers will continue in the north mostly falling. there's a mixture of rain and sleet. a dry, cold and frosty across the midlands this evening as temperatures fall widely below freezing. any showers , the below freezing. any showers, the north food gradually move into northern england leaving some icy behind skies will be cloudy across northern england this evening with a few rain , sleet, evening with a few rain, sleet, showers around manchester to dry out towards newcastle quickly turning frosty again . turning frosty again. temperatures will tumble across this evening to bring another frosty night. we could see lows of minus 12 celsius over any snowy ground. it'll stay dry northern ireland this evening, but and fog patches will spread quickly after dark . now most quickly after dark. now most parts of the uk will stay very cold again tonight with a widespread frost but milder air will start to arrive in the southwest towards dawn. that's

how the weather is shaping overnight into tomorrow morning .

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