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ungrateful people on the planet you guessed it, harry and meghan in their final three episodes of their six part docu, whatever . their six part docu, whatever. frankly, i'd to give them what they want privacy . so like the they want privacy. so like the last set episode for begins with play on the heartstrings meghan goes to grenfell showing off humanitarian credentials . and humanitarian credentials. and yes, that was the bit where we thought that she was amazing. that was what we want our royal family to be. do we.7 meghan family to be. do we? meghan participates in their ritual of a hug with three or focuses on either side, is odd either side, which is odd because i'm sure the last episode mocked british episode she mocked british society for not being very they were doing so well. meghan was pregnant a success they were apparently dubbed the superstars at the royal family . but apparently dubbed the superstars at the royal family. but in their view, perhaps they're becoming too good at this. nothing like playing your own trumpet. in fact , they claim the trumpet. in fact, they claim the rest of the family were by just how good they were compared to

william and kate and how the spare and his wife were a better job than heir. yeah, right for all of 5 minutes, the job, patience and stamina, which clearly they didn't possess the whinge fest, begins. harry even compared him and meghan to charles and diana . and they charles and diana. and they dragged the archives to find these clips one of piers morgan to confirm their narrative putting what i think about it right . she's becoming a royal right. she's becoming a royal star figure, i would argue a couple than william and kate . couple than william and kate. that's probably not a good thing in. the long term . mm hmm. and in. the long term. mm hmm. and james holds chips in some people in the institution around the family start to say that this new couple could destabilise is the power dynamics , whether the power dynamics, whether actively talked about not the

was to put them in a box or make. so press changed boston hello to. the articles appear to corroborate this including the infamous kate and meghan avocado and prince harry says this is how was covered for her. this is how was covered for her. this is how it was covered. if you don't see the difference and understand why it's been reported that way, why then i can't . yes, well, the first can't help. yes, well, the first he didn't help on his own admission, actually, meghan, who apparently was through turmoil and admits that no one helped her. and admits that no one helped hen he and admits that no one helped her. he talks about trading stories based on exact and is the same thing scheduling his media to eclipse his brothers. harry says that they were amazed at what they had to do , i.e. at what they had to do, i.e. leave well , it's a lot easier leave well, it's a lot easier when you're ridiculously wealthy you're still funded by attack in your thirties. have a multi—million pound inheritance . no one told them that they

actually had to go. fact , actually had to go. in fact, when they finally decided , tell when they finally decided, tell us, the british public, that they wanted out meghan said that she the public hated them . i i she the public hated them. i i thought the public if they've been fed these lies for two years, what do they of me what do they think ? hmm. exactly what do they think? hmm. exactly what did we didn't hear. in fact, we were sad she was leaving and that they were leaving. and as if you think was so stupid that we believe everything we read. the british public are intelligent very, very, intelligent and very, very, very disappointed , me included. they disappointed, me included. they didn't read the again episode five. these poor people , their five. these poor people, their multi—million dollar mansions in the most gorgeous location of vancouver island whingeing how are they going to fix things. i know move to canada and do the work in the name of the queen. you get us for free? no we'd still be paying for you. you just want the titles. let's pick a commonwealth country . all a commonwealth country. all right. for some people wanted

hear what they had to say because we thought it was going to be . this was like a broken. i to be. this was like a broken. i honestly struggled to watch it. i fell asleep. i then woke to the blaming race again . i i fell asleep. i then woke to the blaming race again. i had to rewind. that was a pilot story that actually did make me laugh get on the plane and it's not the pilot, but whoever sort of overseeing the crew and he came and he knelt next to my seat he took his hat off and i remember looking at him. he goes, we appreciate everything you did for our country but oh god , this for our country but oh god, this could turn out to be the lion king and the rejoicing in the streets. remember that, all over again. we need to find the pilot . we landed in canada on one of our security guards who had been with us for so long. and these guys were so wonderful . i just guys were so wonderful. i just collapsed in his arms, crying . i collapsed in his arms, crying. i was like, i tried so hard . was

was like, i tried so hard. was like, no, you did. i know you did, ma'am. i know you did. like i tried so hard for all of what was it 18 months in the third one he well meghan reads out a text from beyonce saying that she's been selected to break down general is she wants me to feel safe and protected she admires and respects my bravery and vulnerability and she i was selected to break generational curses that need to be healed . curses that need to be healed. more when tig in march 20. i so we hear on tuesday wednesday , we hear on tuesday wednesday, wednesday there's something of march these next few months is worrying when we're going to be at our most vulnerable when the press will no doubt create some sort of feeding frenzy in a private jet. and i mention the climate . and then there's climate. and then there's a response to oprah . all very

response to oprah. all very lovely shots. but who's holding the cameras? there must a crew in the room. how are you? to be quite matter of fact as well, the death of his grandmother, who he said went peacefully . i who he said went peacefully. i was actually really happy for grandfather . was actually really happy for grandfather. he went quietly. he went and when it it won, of course, that of course, if he wasn't aware of the oprah interview, i mean, they really have no idea of the effect of their actions. they're oblivious to their own behaviour. harry's still talking an apology . look, still talking an apology. look, dan, wouldn't he's got a show here on gb news. he does it monday to thursday from 9:00. and he was the journalist broke many of the stories and it that the truth is the family were trying to protect this couple and try to stop stories leaking he should know they tried to him my resounding take from this docu say whatever thing apart from the fact that it was pretty bonng from the fact that it was pretty boring and i had to force myself to go back to watching it was

that it started as it began as a love story and that frankly we've given these to wait much air space credited them way too much intelligence and they are normal people who haven't like most of us got a flaming clue this is why the queen said complain never explain because when you do the gloss off alongside the interest and then to add to injury having seen the palace bend over for ngozi fulani and give in to her narcissism with these two have also demanded apology . you also demanded apology. you couldn't make it up so i say switch off the by the book there's in it they haven't already told us you know what let's do what they want they want the media to lead them alone. let's just do that . i'm alone. let's just do that. i'm calling for a blackout on this pair to all media calling for a blackout on this pairto all media in calling for a blackout on this pair to all media in the calling for a blackout on this pairto all media in the uk pair to all media in the uk across the world to stop covering these. let let's force them to in the real world just like the rest of us . yes danny

like the rest of us. yes danny says at the end of the show. yeah, it was a longer monologue. i had to i couldn't i couldn't let this go. this is before we get stuck into the bases. what else is coming up today for the great british debate this i'm asking, should ofcom streaming giants like netflix now the government planning to pass a government is planning to pass a new law that would give the broadcasting the power to regulate giants regulate streaming giants like amazon others. and amazon netflix and others. and this critics point out the this comes critics point out the inaccuracies in the tell all harry and meghan documentary. so what do you think? ofcom what do you think? should ofcom have it comes to have the power when it comes to regulating giants? regulating streaming giants? then at 450, it's world view. russian expert danny armstrong will studio with the will be in the studio with the latest the war in ukraine latest on the war in ukraine putin has cancelled his annual press conference in the wake of moscow's missile attack , which moscow's missile attack, which hit infrastructure all across country. and i'll be catching up also with port outrage to get the latest on five. it's the latest on at five. it's outside now today's special guest was at the forefront of government during, the covid pandemic. he was a leading figure in the nhs test and

system and that was launched to combat the spread of coronavirus . could anyone guess who that might be? stay tuned. find out more coming up in the more that's coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think. everything think. what everything we're discussing. email gb discussing. you can email gb news, gbnews.uk tweet me at . news, gbnews.uk or tweet me at. gb news. love it, right? let's get started let's welcome again to my panel , get started let's welcome again to my panel, political commentator sam tyler and, also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly , must start with you, sam, kelly, must start with you, sam, because he's first was well, that was rant . not got what he that was a rant. not got what he did you watched the making and everything how do you know. well actually so dumb wasn't as if anybody knew how many years we were together in in windsor for wedding. and it was a wonderful, wonderful weekend which is full of love. i met americans in pubs and stuff and we would just dance again. just loving, loving life and loving meghan and loving harry. so the country was

really , really positive and so, really, really positive and so, so, so i understand , you know, so, so i understand, you know, why it's that dichotomy between then and now, it's just it's just so abrasive. so i haven't it because dan was i have to watch it for work. and i was like for my mental health because i know how much stress will give me. and also and also this is this is this is the only that claim. it's a documentary, but it's really reality show, isn't it? but nothing was really real i believe that the interest towards was not also but also towards it was not also but also it for an american it is made for an american audience well. don't know audience as well. i i don't know if ever seen like if you've ever seen like american documents , the american documents, but the music i'm like because it music is i'm like in because it allows and it's like really emotive and i get it. so like in which when you watch something and when you watch somebody upsetit and when you watch somebody upset it and know, whether upset it and you know, whether was acting or not just got a headin was acting or not just got a head in her hands. it's such you do you know, feel do you do, you know, feel empathy. do. but empathy. of course you do. but nobody there's is literally one sided. and also and they take no responsibility for their own actions. anything that anything

they might have done themselves and like no one is being mentioned and no one is being reproach. exactly no one is beyond reproach. they they everybody mistakes. everybody we all make mistakes. and within the and especially within the family. mean, you know, family. i mean, you know, you know to your know, would apologise to your sisters, even she done even sisters, even she had done even if done something wrong, if she'd done something wrong, you like, gosh, you would be like, gosh, my father was ill. i would, you know, even if i had an argument with published a story with like he published a story he understand he didn't quite understand dynamics which dynamics of the media, which obviously after obviously publishing one after the the other, the other, after the other, after all this thing after all this, all this thing is story. i would forgive my is so story. i would forgive my father, you know. i wouldn't leave him ill. would. you leave him ill. danny would. you know, always been know, i've. i've always been willing give them a chance willing to give them a chance and opportunity got to and an opportunity i've got to say got to say really say i've got to say i really don't like now i've this this docu i harry is docu series. i mean harry is such a man she definitely such a weak man she definitely wears trousers. she's wears the trousers. she's definitely and he definitely charge. and when he says, they received a says, oh the way they received a text from william as the cameras were rolling, how convenient. here's a text at its heart, but further content of course, is it's when he it's all staged. but when he said terrified, this is said was terrified, this is a captain in the royal household credit is whatever the regiment

is who's done to tools afghanistan who's been dodging rocket propelled grenades whilst he's in an apache helicopter and these of a scream and much of his brother i don't buy it also but brothers argue all the time like this of course it is the first time he's ever screamed to him, come. i mean. but one thing i will say is that like which no one's really talked about, this is lunch that camilla had is this lunch that camilla had which morgan which morgan which morgan which piers morgan went clarkson went went to, jeremy clarkson went to and said most and clarkson said the most appalling things about how much he hates he hates smoking from a cellular kind of cellular level and i kind of wait till she's made parade wait till she's made to parade naked the streets of naked through the streets of britain people throw britain and people throw excrement . oh, no, that's awful. excrement. oh, no, that's awful. i'm not to mind. but that's on his police station list, is that. no, that is new. that in an exciting new space. yeah yeah. he's just yeah. but he's just sensationalist isn't that's sensationalist isn't he. that's sort of course. sort of. because of course. and of sure tongue in of course i'm sure tongue in cheek. i mean, it's that cheek. but i mean, it's that sort thing people will sort of thing that people will read, not to be that's read, but not to be like that's that's obviously that's appalling. i just i that's obviously that's appalling. ijust i don't that's obviously that's appalling. i just i don't know why write things like why people write things like that, appalling that, but i do appalling actually i mean,

actually to. be fair. i mean, i don't think that's, you know, we've that, that is we've repeated that, but that is written down. but i actually think that's quite bad. you know, even for know, that's that that even for jeremy over. oh actually no he said a worse than that. well said a lot worse than that. well exactly. i think but you can exactly. but i think but you can just that about i wouldn't, just say that about i wouldn't, you go as far you know, i wouldn't go as far as say that not excrement as to say that no, not excrement may be rotten tomatoes still being well, i'll being paraded naked. well, i'll tell hated was the tell you what, i hated was the direct brexit and racism. direct link. brexit and racism. oh was. was oh that was. that was unforgivable. they also distorted. and so used the distorted. and so they used the queen elizabeth second had a speech that she did when she was 21. and this was in south africa. they they africa. and they did was they slightly manipulated it. it looked edited and looked like it's been edited and manipulated that it was more manipulated so that it was more negative about the commonwealth and it showed how she looked. i mean that's actually one of the things we're going to be discussing with regard ofcom discussing with regard to ofcom and regard to netflix as well. but understand why so many but i understand why so many people hate them. i do know. well, tell me you well, listen, tell me what you think i mean, you know, you know, love a good run, but know, i love a good run, but tell what your thoughts as. tell me what your thoughts as. you do the same you said you can do the same thing. nana akua. is gb thing. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. live on tv and on

news. where? live on tv and on digital radio. your thoughts? digital radio. me your thoughts? ihave digital radio. me your thoughts? i have to gb news or email gbviews@gbnews.uk on the way. a great this hour. great british debate this hour. i'm should regulate i'm asking should ofcom regulate streaming like ? netflix streaming giants like? netflix now looking pass now westminster are looking pass a law that would give the a new law that would give the broadcaster and watchdog the power people like power to regulate people like netflix amazon following the netflix and amazon following the controversial tell all harry and meghan documentary . send me your meghan documentary. send me your thoughts as ever at the usual place. you can also tweet me. got a pull up right now asking you very question. you that very question. should ofcom regulate giants like netflix cast that vote? we'll be back after this this .

good afternoon. if you've just joined , it's fast approaching 24 joined, it's fast approaching 24 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news are the people's channel. i'm nana akua now, before the break, we were discussing the harry and meghan docu mentary. i

call it that for now . let's have call it that for now. let's have a look at what you've been saying. not as i, nana. i look forward coming out, forward to this book coming out, so exercise my right not to so i exercise my right not to buy it. he says all i can say, in absolute seriousness, is that meghan lives in fantasy land. yes, fantasy. but then he says, oh god, not where's the sick bucket? they believe that just how self—pity they keep how much self—pity they keep spurting i know you would spurting out. i know you would think that they might watch that back go, oh, hang on back and go, oh, hang on a minute. we're really we got quite nice life. perhaps they quite a nice life. perhaps they should it a rest. oh, should just give it a rest. oh, no. right it is time for no. but right now it is time for that great british and so that great british debate and so i'm should ofcom i'm asking, should ofcom regulate the prime regulate streaming? the prime minister provide minister is set to provide the broadcast illegal broadcast regulator illegal bafis broadcast regulator illegal basis giants basis to hold streaming giants to this in the to account. this comes in the wake of harry and meghan's docu series the couple made series where the couple made serious accusations against the royal institution royal family, the institution and, the kingdom as a and, the united kingdom as a whole, as empire 2.0. whole, describing as empire 2.0. i think it was if we are hers. you said that despite people ringing ofcom inaccuracies in the new docu series , ofcom the new docu series, ofcom simply replied that they could

nothing about it. however streaming giants ought to be regulated may be subject to the broadcasting rules outlined in ofcom's code , whereby factual ofcom's code, whereby factual programmes or items portray or portrayal of factual matters must not most materially mislead the audience . currently, ofcom the audience. currently, ofcom does not regulate netflix, but ministers are planning a new law to form part of the government's media bill and it could be ready as soon as next year. a post has also allowed ofcom to investigate streaming giants where if companies are found to have breached the code of conduct, it could result in being to quarter of being up to a quarter of £1,000,000. although i don't think that's enough for the great. just to this great. but just to make this out, should ofcom out, i'm asking, should ofcom streaming speak streaming giants. let's speak to adviser media objectors and adviser at media objectors and a former chief adviser to ofcom, martin campbell, former chief adviser to ofcom, martin campbell , thank you very martin campbell, thank you very much for joining martin campbell, thank you very much forjoining us. now i want to ask , first of all, do you to ask, first of all, do you support the idea that should regulate streaming giants like netflix ? well, it's not a bad netflix? well, it's not a bad idea, but it is an idea that's

full of. i mean it's a labyrinth. it's full of pitfalls . the big difficulty, of course with netflix and particular is it's based in holland and therefore ofcom has no locus overit therefore ofcom has no locus over it whatsoever it does have a slight lock is over amazon prime disney plus one or two others. but the fact that netflix is based holland is a real problem . so there will be real problem. so there will be legal things to sort out there and i very much doubt if holland wants to hand any of its regulatory powers ofcom . so regulatory powers ofcom. so that's that's the first thing that's that's the first thing that. that's that's the first thing that . the second thing is. that's that's the first thing that. the second thing is. yes it's a good idea but i would quite like viewer expectation, which is quite big regulatory consideration most of the time to be taking into a lot of time with media. you get a consultation because the

government , ofcom have decided government, ofcom have decided to do something, put out a consultation. they ignore the results of the consultation , results of the consultation, then go ahead. anyway, this is one where i actually believe that viewers should a say because not everybody is stupid not not everybody thinks that everything they see on television is but okay so i don't know whether you've managed to watch and meghan but you may have seen the for example in the trailer were immediate instances where it was clear that they had taken imagery and a kind of let no wants to say they were deliberate trying to mislead you. but for example, one of the clips where they showed the paparazzi was actually a clip of a harry potter. you know, that was harry potter sort of premiere type done five premiere type thing done five years they that years before they met. that shouldn't and surely shouldn't be allowed and surely if a streaming giant is to be streaming they streaming this country, they should , you know, have to abide should, you know, have to abide by laws within country, by the laws within country, just like outlets . i like other media outlets. i don't why another don't see why another jurisdiction would supersede it

. yeah, i couldn't more if ofcom did have any powers over netflix at the moment, then this docu series , whatever that supposed series, whatever that supposed to mean would certainly not have passed broadcasting code test. i mean, even a film 2000 miles, which caused no end of a fuss had experts on it said look there's no problem here know what you're hearing has another side to it you know even 2000 miles have that this appears to accept with no evidence whatsoever one side of the story is this bit and that certainly is this bit and that certainly is problematic commentators have said this sort of smoke so that was a bit as a documentary yeah what is it it was a bit like the with it was totally unchallenged and a lot it was very one sided. well, thank you very much, mark.

stay thanks. i'm also stay right. thanks. i'm also joined former brexit party joined by former brexit party mep and political commentator linda thank you linda lucy. belinda, thank you so joining. so what so much forjoining. so what do you support the you think? do you support the idea ofcom regulating stephen idea of ofcom regulating stephen jones so. i definitely jones and if so. i definitely support it. regulate documentaries and news stations examples when there are programmes that portray themselves as truth finders and fact givers. then i do think it's essential that fake evidence not used and if it is used that they are held to account it. of course you know with meghan and harry's documentary they it wasn't sold as a reality show although it came across as one it was sold as a document entry and a definition of documentary is about revealing the truth and educating people about facts and the truth. so when they use fake evidence in their photograph laughs that clearly are completely unconnected to the two of them. that is news. that is that is essentially , you is that is essentially, you know, using fake evidence to

support an accusation , a group support an accusation, a group of people which they should be fined over that . however, i do fined over that. however, i do have concerns over ofcom on regulating free legal . that's regulating free legal. that's a separate story. and as as it hurt listening to meghan and harry and as much as i'm offended by of what they say they have absolutely the free right to say it however they should not be allowed to use fake evidence what about fake evidence. what about the onune fake evidence. what about the online because online safety bill because features plans for to fine social companies vast sums of money they break of conduct. money if they break of conduct. i what if would ofcom be i mean what if would ofcom be sort of crossing a line there and kind of getting involved in what can and can't be said that it might feel like they're actually sort of censoring things ? yeah, i'm not a fan of things? yeah, i'm not a fan of this this meddling over what is hateful or not. you know i've got four kids i definitely want regulate online over what they can and can't see. for example very harmful of films that children access to or even sort

of paedophilia programme programs sanitising paedophilia philia. i don't want that kind of thing accessible for children so i do appreciate the online bill protecting children that however who defines what is hateful . if ofcom becomes and in hateful. if ofcom becomes and in many ways you could say has been it barely mentioned or chastise bbc at all over its coverage over brexit. you can judge ofcom for being a little bit biased now and again and letting people off with certain political views. so how then it define hate? why agenda critical women banned from so many platforms because they don't believe women have penises you know would ofcom then say that is hateful and therefore ban so i and therefore ban them? so i completely agree you i think in terms of legal free speech, ofcom should keep hands off. ofcom should keep its hands off. but of providing fake but in terms of providing fake news yeah, it should fine . news then yeah, it should fine. let me let me bring martin back in well. martin in on this as well. martin actually was a former adviser to ofcom . listen, martin what do

ofcom. listen, martin what do you think? because it's going to this the point here is that there'll be a slight dilemma with with regard to free. and of course this netflix being in a sense policed by ofcom . yeah it sense policed by ofcom. yeah it is a big problem because online safety bill was a complete mess and.theidea safety bill was a complete mess and. the idea that people should be regulating what was legal harmful was ridiculous at the outset. i mean, if it's legal, fine. if it's harmful, they're laws to deal with it. so the all the discussion about, you know what's legal but harmful is it's a nonsense and it worries that the idea of regulating things that come into people's houses properly like netflix and amazon prime and disney and so on. if that gets conflated with the rubbish in the online safety bill, then we do a bit of a problem coming up . bill, then we do a bit of a problem coming up. mhm. bill, then we do a bit of a problem coming up . mhm. well problem coming up. mhm. well listen, thank you both for joining me. very good to hear

your views as a former brexit linda, lucy and also campbell, he's an adviser , media he's an adviser, media objectives and a former chief adviser to ofcom. thank you so much . you're with me. i'm not much. you're with me. i'm not a quitter. this is good news on tv and on digital radio . the break. and on digital radio. the break. we will continue with great british debate this hour. and i'm asking , should ofcom i'm asking, should ofcom regulate streaming channels like netflix? you'll hear the thoughts . my panel, political thoughts. my panel, political commentator dowler and also broadcasting journalist danny kelly . then stay with me at 5:00 kelly. then stay with me at 5:00 in this week's outside the special guest was at the forefront of the government dunng forefront of the government during the covid pandemic. he was a leading in the nhs test and trace system . i'll give you was a leading in the nhs test one more clue. he used manage the ministry of sound the nightclub ministry of sound . so who is it? stay tuned for the big reveal. first, though, let's your news headlines . no let's your latest news headlines. no i'm bethany. elsie in the gb newsroom and mine has been

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tv, online and on digital radio. now it is time for our great debate. this i'm asking, should ofcom streaming giants? the prime minister is set to provide the regulator, ofcom , a legal the regulator, ofcom, a legal bafis the regulator, ofcom, a legal basis to hold giants to account. so people like netflix, amazon prime. now this comes in the wake of harry and meghan's docu series i don't know where you. whether you watched it with a made some serious accusations against the family the against the royal family the institution and the united kingdom as whole , describing kingdom as a whole, describing it empathy point zero for it as the empathy point zero for your hurt. it's person who initially coined that phrase. i watched and thought oh well yeah well no not what she's talking about. new powers would allow ofcom to find these companies up to a quarter of £1,000,000,000, which actually think enough which i actually think is enough money prepared pay money since they're prepared pay 110 million or whatever it was to that law. so for the great big this hour, i'm big debate this hour, i'm asking, should ofcom regulate streaming what streaming giants. let's see what my that. i'm by my panel think of that. i'm by political commentator sam. i don't broadcast and don't say broadcast and journalists danny kelly , danny

journalists danny kelly, danny ungen journalists danny kelly, danny unger, start with you then. well thank you. you're lucky that sound kiss you the lips. sound didn't kiss you the lips. yes this council on the lips yes this is council on the lips accident. i'm glad i missed this is a photo moment with all. yes, father kelvin robinson. of all people on the holy waters buckling as we speak . praise be buckling as we speak. praise be on that to you by accident, danny. oh he'd have got a head butt. we call it for an occur because of netflix . i think because of netflix. i think you're right not a quarter million is just a drop in the ocean for those flicks if that pain or what was the total cost? 200 million. 100 million for what's called family they would gladly break the rules . yeah, gladly break the rules. yeah, no, all they've got to do is pay £1,000,000. my hesitancy £1,000,000. my only hesitancy here is that. did harry and meghan know that the paparazzi shots weren't taking photos of them because netflix would have produced. they would have watched it before netflix gave the light. but would they the green light. but would they have that misleading. have known that was misleading. well, of of them well, first of all, one of them was price outside crawley

was katie price outside crawley magistrates court. they would know been outside know if they've been outside court whatever that court for whatever reason, that call featured. no, there call was featured. no, no, there was there was actually call was featured. no, no, there wathe there was actually call was featured. no, no, there wathe background was actually call was featured. no, no, there wathe background somewherey call was featured. no, no, there wathe background somewhere in in the background somewhere in the background could the background you could actually she was on actually see it. so she was on her way or out a court or her way or coming out a court or something. other one was something. the other one was there was one the end, the there was one at the end, the limousine, was donald limousine, which was donald trump, was trump, one of his aides, was actually way to prison actually on his way to prison after down tax after being down for tax evasion, tax . yeah, yeah . i evasion, tax. yeah, yeah. i really couldn't make it up, but then the other one, harry potter, it was a premiere or something and it clearly it was done five years before they even together . so if you're done five years before they even together. so if you're going to be feature in something that has your name it, if i'm featuring in something with my name on it and allow all falseness to and i allow all the falseness to go then i would have go ahead, then i would have to take cloud it looks at take the cloud for it looks at speaking as a seasoned radio presenter, the bbc presenter, having worked the bbc so have been due to so it would have been so due to all this . let me just go to all of this. let me just go to these talk to tell us all about for each of us to go on. i'm not a fan of ofcom. i think that they clamp down to readily and they clamp down to readily and they always erred on the side of

caution. yeah. so i'm not a fan of ofcom. they get of ofcom. should they get involved netflix? but we've involved with netflix? but we've agreed towards a 50 grand. i ain't to touch them. i'm ain't going to touch them. i'm more about what people more worried about what people can you know, can see on youtube. you know, you on youtube see so you can go on youtube and see so many factual, factually inaccurate documents. yeah. well, course , it's just well, of course, it's just like your guest said , about 2000 your guest said, about 2000 meals, was. i have to meals, whatever was. i have to say one thing. first of all is that netflix have set a spokesman for netflix said that they supportive measures they were supportive of measures to framework to update the legal framework and a statement in and bring that to a statement in uk in that for that i'll do that at the end of the debate there's room in the house this is not yours. so not having them yours. so i'm not having them back. we'll at the back. but we'll do that at the end. what statement? my point end. to what statement? my point is have of they will do is that we have of they will do it now kirby is quick on the side of those of course you know they they would say that and i do think i don't think, for example, that harry and meghan would trailer if would have seen the trailer if it was a trailer. and so and they and they didn't together they and they didn't together the package. well they but the package. well they would but also but also they would i don't think harry and meghan would

have that was from have that that oh that was from a harry potter. that was from kate. they wouldn't have known that would the that even they would know the contact most popular in contact with the most popular in engush contact with the most popular in english the time. so must english at the time. so it must have been what they wanted have been about what they wanted to about with but to know about with someone. but that's fact that that's irrelevant. the fact that they was allowed out they this was allowed to go out almost a documentary. so almost as a documentary. so there's a factual element to it. yeah, that is the issue i have with they if they this is a with they if they said this is a story, i mean even crown story, i mean even the crown i find not watched it because find i've not watched it because i think wrong because these i think it's wrong because these people still living. people are still living. you forget again forget stories up again like this. that really this. so i think that really this. so i think that really this shouldn't be allowed. it should be a disclaimer because i also that there is a level of you are creating narrative you are creating a narrative where may be slightly where people who may be slightly unstable are watching this and believe think there's believe it. so i think there's actually danger in some be actually a danger in some to be unstable. i think i think it's but it's like you just said about going, you know, going down rabbit. sits there down a rabbit. my mum sits there and watches about meghan and watches videos about meghan like the like until until until the early hours morning. i'm just hours of the morning. i'm just like, get youtube, like, mum, get off youtube, get off. is, is almost will off. but like is, is almost will never be able to regulate but they can regulate netflix don't think think netflix would ever

think i think netflix would ever put that was put out something that was purposeful disingenuous . put out something that was purposeful disingenuous. i think they you have what is the they have you have what is the crown with the right you just said that is a drama but it still is drama. jason based on reality , not the real people. so reality, not the real people. so let's just go back to the to the to the trailer. yeah, the on the movie, the documentary. the alternative is that they knew that it wasn't their paparazzi . that it wasn't their paparazzi. now they understand that everything be scrutinised by people piers morgan who people like piers morgan who really of them. so why really hates all of them. so why would an open goal, would they leave an open goal, people like piers morgan to score , he tells me they didn't , score, he tells me they didn't, did it? no, no, no, no that tells me they didn't care. i they're so litigious. right. if somebody written something bad about the bet it, they could about the bet on it, they could do just what you're going to beat way. you must understand that will be just as that people will be just as litigious you're out litigious if you're putting out something. they obviously knew the could get the rules. they knew could get away that's they away with it. that's why they did i there's a speech did it. i there's a speech from queen elizabeth she's 21 queen elizabeth ii one, she's 21 in africa. and they in south africa. and there they have been slightly have this has been slightly doctored so it sounds like she's gleeful about all this stuff

when actually been when actually it's actually been edited. they if you're edited. so they if you're putting need know putting stuff out, you need know what's on. i suspect they what's going on. i suspect they do. going give them the do. i'm not going give them the credit saying, oh, we didn't. credit of saying, oh, we didn't. but they note. but didn't they also tried it off also they tried to put it off after queen's death. they tried to exactly. is, to they exactly. the thing is, netflix wanted pound of flesh. they paid they them lot they paid they paid them a lot money needed money they needed they needed bombshells, and bombshells, harry hence. and what about the private what he about the private meeting, etc. that's what need. and they had to use. and that's why they had to use. it's a from it's definitely a head job from her she wears the her though. she wears the trousers angry with her though. she wears the family. she wants them, family. she wants to ruin them, push well, actually, they've push it. well, actually, they've just an apology just asked for an apology after. they fulani , they they saw ngozi fulani, they thought. well, they said to her, marlee hadley after , they marlee matlin hadley after, they see that. they're saying, well, why apologise in why don't you apologise us? in fact, one of these fact, even in one of these episodes, prince harry oh, episodes, prince harry went, oh, we have apology and we should have an apology and i'm after what you've done i'm not after what you've done do, you think that you do, you not think that you actually the william kate actually the william and kate especially kate should i. i just say one thing that i don't think you're going to agree with me. certainly not not a i don't see what money and wealth has got to do money won't buy your

do it. money won't buy your happiness. there so many happiness. there are so many miserable speak miserable millions. speak for yourself. you talking yourself. what are you talking about? album? about? over the moon album? listen, this i know they have an act, but they have axe to act, but they have an axe to grind. felt. they felt like grind. they felt. they felt like they were wronged . they were. they were wronged. and about that. and they feel deeply about that. and they feel deeply about that. and i believe that and they and they i believe that they're surround it yes. men they're surround it by yes. men and women will who will facilitate that. and say, yes, you were wrong. so in the word so word should the should so any word should the should ofcom regulating these people some absolutely no , no, some absolutely yes. no no, no, no, no , no, no. he says no. he no, no, no, no. he says no. he said he says it's slavery . well, said he says it's slavery. well, this is this is nothing. said he says it's slavery. well, this is this is nothing . you this is this is nothing. you know, he says, welcome, a great british on this is your opportunity to on the show and tell us what you really about the topics we're discussing which go to the scales we to forget ready that's good give me that did you think it's an exciting wedding? just just thank you very much for joining us. what do think then say ofcom. welcome by the way, ofcom they're looking to potentially that be legislation where they

may be able to regulate these things. what's your view right now? thank you so much . i think now? thank you so much. i think this is just another example of socialist do that trying to expand the powers the state. expand the powers of the state. how you making that how are you making that complete? is the expose complete? it is the expose themselves as privileged narcissist . i the netflix narcissist. i think the netflix documentary is just proving that, you know freedom of speech is giving people the freedom to make themselves like an idiot, which meghan have . which harry and meghan have. like this netflix documentary has popular for them, has not been popular for them, so i think it's a good thing that they have the freedom to expose themselves that. and expose themselves like that. and i like gb i think outlets like gb news, you ofcom isn't the you know, ofcom isn't the biggest fan of and i think ofcom are going to lay off, you know, we shouldn't be expanding their powers. itv names have provided meaningful questions and scepticism of how harry and meghan's documentary, i think the power of freedom of speech. i think we should be allowing more freedom speech , not more freedom of speech, not less. but what about the stuff that they're actually making less. but what about the stuff that �*upy're actually making less. but what about the stuff that �*upy'reeditingly making less. but what about the stuff that �*upy'reediting whereing less. but what about the stuff that �*upy'reediting where it's stuff up or editing where it's clear that that's just been doctored in way? do you still

think there's too allows them to do that so we can expose that they've done this again i think gb news for provided great commentary great stories on that exposing them and again like , as exposing them and again like, as you said before , harry and you said before, harry and meghan probably know that people like piers, we're going to, you know, scrutinise. they were going to say and i think that's more meaningful than the state because isn't going because the state isn't going to, know, scrutinise fairly to, you know, scrutinise fairly where media, you know, as where the media, you know, as much as harry imagined trying to that they're the elevator the media scrutinise everyone think that's way more of that. i think that's way more of that. i think that's true model that should be . well jess thank you . well listen jess thank you very . i could definitely very much. i could definitely get that just back to what get that just back on to what she about gb news. that's a she said about gb news. that's a fabulous jessica she stay fabulous jessica gayle. she stay in. great british voice in. she's a great british voice by. a look at what by. let's have a look at what you've saying. tom you've been saying. okay tom says interesting question. regulates the regulators. good who regulates regulators? we who regulates the regulators? we do these, although mark steyn . do these, although mark steyn. of course there's golf.com cycles. ofcom said it would go. i don't know what because they

talk a lot, marvin says no, but netflix should pay tax the uk. that's a good point. sally yes, fake news must be stopped. there some gullible people out there . some gullible people out there. i agree. i think it should be stopped in a statement that sam tried to radio netflix . tried to radio a netflix. netflix spokesman said that the company was supportive of the measures to update the legal framework and bring ourselves in the uk under ofcom's jurisdiction . but they did not jurisdiction. but they did not comment on claims of the inaccuracy directed at the harry and meghan's documentary . you're and meghan's documentary. you're with me. this is gds online. this is gb news and said that we saw on tv online and on digital radio. still to come, it's world. now the kremlin launches another attack on ukraine, destroying some of the key infrastructure. and putin misses his annual end of year press conference. wonder we'll conference. wonder why? we'll also everything trump. also talk everything trump. that's after this .

good afternoon. it is fast approaching 53 minutes after 4:00. if you've just tuned in. welcome on board. i'm nana akua. welcome on board. i'm nana akua. we are gb news. this is the people's channel now. it's time for world view and russia has launched another missile attack on ukraine in the ongoing ordered energy services been severely destroyed, leaving the country in a blackout. so joining me in the studio to talk all russia is political commentator and russia expert danny armstrong . danny, talk to danny armstrong. danny, talk to me about the president's situation then, because the it seems like putin is gone a little bit is sort of turbo boosting is tax now. well, yeah, on friday saw a widespread bombing of ukraine which meant of ukrainians were without water, without electricity without heating. and of course if you think some of the strikes and some of the cost of living problems in this country, it has been difficult to shelter people to keep people warm. you've to

think what it's like over there at the moment where temperatures are towards freezing are getting to towards freezing below . putin did have below freezing. putin did have a meeting with some of his top commanders to figure the next steps. of course , at the minute steps. of course, at the minute the bombing campaigns are targeting energy infrastructure . they're also targeting residential . it's much the same residential. it's much the same as we've seen the war. now, russia are really readying themselves for an offensive, as we've of that and the we've seen of that and the losses they so on. and i mean, this is the press conference which every year used to which does it every year used to sort bolster up his and stuff sort of bolster up his and stuff it he didn't do it this time he's. well from money i mean for someone who to work sort of someone who used to work sort of propaganda for the state channel russia. i would think that propaganda is really really struggling to keep up with the negative aspects of the war. putin met with his top commanders and of course, morale is at all time low since is at an all time low since losing hit a swan song of course is the only major city that russia has managed to capture. and there are and after losing that, there are a people turning around, a lot of people turning around,

especially those who support him. really no support him. and have really no support has been turned on. his head. so what? so is this because i hear that there's potential that they're not trying to take kyiv, although they might try that in the new year if he's losing so much support. what is the you know, where are we going with this? what in your view, is the next? well, it doesn't look like at moment at negotiations at the moment at negotiations are bring out are going to bring out a peaceful end to the war. the ukrainian intelligence base believes that there will be another offensive. another russia offensive. of course, that retreat course, as i said, that retreat from here soon was the of ready . for from here soon was the of ready. for offensive of course that won't be anytime soon. it'll probably be anytime soon. it'll probably be after christmas and new year sometime in in the new year. ukraine intelligence is wary of an attack coming from the north, possibly from belarus. but doesn't look like negotiation is going to bring a peaceful end to the anytime soon. unfortunately that's such a shame, really, because. well he's lost the poll. people don't want him . i

poll. people don't want him. i think it's not now time for people to start maybe negotiating trying deal negotiating and trying deal with some of trade . thank you some sort of a trade. thank you some sort of a trade. thank you so much, danny. that's danny armstrong political armstrong is a political commentator. right. let's commentator. right. well, let's travel america now because travel to america now because we're to chat with we're going to have a chat with the podcast host, poll the people podcast host, poll rich people get to see that. talk to me . trump what's going talk to me. trump what's going on? what's his latest project in america? america needs repairing? is it. america? america needs repairing? is it . sorry? say repairing? is it. sorry? say again you just out was that. trump's latest project america needs to see superheroes that am i reading this correct me. oh that's right yes well yes i mean he's not quite up to the mark of breaking curses, but what he's doing he's released a load of me ts. i don't know if you're familiar with nonfungible tokens . so digital artwork and you could buy. trump announced he was making this major, major speech and it turned that what he was doing was pitching these nft and they're basically

depicting little playing cards, digital playing cards of trump dressed as an astronaut, a cowboy a superhero . and they cowboy a superhero. and they were $99 each. they they sold 45,000 of them in minutes. they were they went hotcakes and everybody's making fun of them. but they've more than doubled in price . yeah. so they are a sound price. yeah. so they are a sound investment . but yeah, investment. but yeah, everybody's, everybody sort of ripping him because apparently is beneath the, the status of a former president. however i think is very trumpian and, very funny. what about the most recent poll that showed ron desantis stake a very heavy lead over ? trump is that something over? trump is that something believable? well the fact is, the majority of the polls still have trump ahead of desantis . have trump ahead of desantis. like there's one three days ago, 25 points ahead of desantis this is a wall street journal and the wall street journal hates trump. and so they look the establishment on populism to go away and so if it can it

continues to continue in its own self—interest without scrutiny. and so if people like trump make it harder for them. so when you get a little glimmer of like one poll that showed that shows desantis trump it it desantis ahead, they trump it it and they just they want trump gone and. they think that these kind of press releases are going to suddenly stop trump supporters supporting he won't they won't change support until decides to leave the stage . decides to leave the stage. until it does that, they never will. but no, this is, like i said, 25 points ahead, three days ago, in a half this is one from harvard , a poll. so you can from harvard, a poll. so you can have the polls and do whatever you want with them. but mistrust any media that outwardly support , outwardly hates trump. wall street journal being one of them. so is there anything going on? we got about a minute left. so what else is going on in america at the moment? well, look, we touched on it. last week they gave turned on harry and i mean, you and meghan. i mean, just you know, is awful gossip know, this is just awful gossip on part. but they everybody

on my part. but they everybody everybody every news show is just they just they almost referring to it as harry hostage video. what about thanking them? she's a big fan. this she got nothing out of them as well. yes this is the thing. and she's the she's the official spokesperson . oprah basically, isn't she? and you can see from that camp , and you can see from that camp, people are just going, oh, my god, it's that queen thing editing . the queen's speech, editing. the queen's speech, very bad, very bad, very , very, very bad, very bad, very, very, very. that's a very bad move . very. that's a very bad move. and, you know, the thing is, other are pointing out, well, hang on, what about cursing, seeing america . they put their seeing america. they put their hand over their chest to sing to sing the national anthem. they every day. in school have every day. kids in school have to have to a poem to the flag. we got a bunch of customs here that are a bit weird as well, you know. but we, we are respectful well that and so americans. oh this week they've shot themselves. well this is interesting it's always good to talk to you that people that watch is the host the watch is the host of the politics people podcast crikey

even meghan , they've even harry and meghan, they've gone stateside . this is gone off them stateside. this is gb we're live on tv online gb news. we're live on tv online and digital variable come and a digital variable to come in the next hour . in the next hour. it's 5:00. this is a gbd. in the next hour. it's 5:00. this is a gbd . i'm it's 5:00. this is a gbd. i'm nana akua live on tv online and on digital ready . for the next on digital ready. for the next houn on digital ready. for the next hour, me and my panel, we'll be taking on some of the big topics, hitting the headlines the way it is outside. a very special guest. you'll find out after your latest news headlines headunes. after your latest news headlines headlines . nana, thank you. it's headlines. nana, thank you. it's just gone 5:00. i'm bethany. elsie the gb newsroom, a man has been charged with facilitating attempt aid, illegal entry into the uk . it's after four people the uk. it's after four people died and 39 were rescued from the english when a migrant boat capsized earlier this week. kent police say 19 year old ibrahim

abah of no fixed address has been remanded in custody and will appear folkestone magistrates court tomorrow . a magistrates court tomorrow. a cabinet minister says it's not fair that military are having to cover for public sector workers on strike over the festive period. chancellor of the duchy of lancaster, oliver dowden urged unions to call off the industrial action, warning significant rises would end up making poorer. more than 1000 troops are expected to cover striking , such as paramedics and striking, such as paramedics and border officials. meanwhile, the chief of the defence staff says , the military is busy and should not be treated by the government as spare capacity . government as spare capacity. rishi sunak is accusing union boss mick lynch of causing misery to millions by timing rail strikes to hit the christmas period. writing in sun on sunday, the prime minister an increasing number of union members want a deal, but the rmt has rejected what he as fair

offers . mick lynch, who is the offers. mick lynch, who is the union's secretary, says rail staff continue to receive strong support . the public . nurses are support. the public. nurses are threatening to escalate industrial action in the new yearif industrial action in the new year if the government fails . year if the government fails. break the deadlock over pay by next week. the royal college of nursing . it could impact too nursing. it could impact too great a number of hospitals and scale back support for non—emergency service as if further action goes ahead. they are demanding ministers respond within 48 hours of tuesday's walkout . police a property in walkout. police a property in birmingham , they've found what birmingham, they've found what is believed to be the remains of a child . west midlands police a child. west midlands police have been the garden of a house in hounslow south, following information about . a possible information about. a possible burial. a examination will be carried to establish the cause of death . a 52 year old man has of death. a 52 year old man has been charged with the murders of a mother and her two young children in northamptonshire . children in northamptonshire. police found and used an nhs

nurse and. her children, aged six and four with serious injuries at a house kettering on thursday. they all died a short time later . thursday. they all died a short time later. post—mortem examinations determined. all three died as a result of asphyxiation . st you shall asphyxiation. st you shall available will appear at northampton magistrates court tomorrow . the former met police tomorrow. the former met police commissioner has been accused of trying to minimise murder of sarah everard. the government's outgoing adviser on tackling violence against women told . the violence against women told. the sunday times dame cressida dick complained shortly after the murder that the government's initial response over the top. dame cressida strenuously denied making . the. the founder of the making. the. the founder of the big issue magazine says the government needs to get off its in tackling homelessness in the uk. lord bird launched the magazine in 1991 warns the threat of homeless families is worse than it's been. he says there a million people who face slipping into poverty due to not

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the government drafted in over a thousand army personnel to help cover for ambulance drivers as they prepare to go on strike over pay now. if the army are being used as a crutch . the lack being used as a crutch. the lack of workers. what happens when we need the military ? is it fair to need the military? is it fair to rely on them? me your thoughts gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at. gb this week's outside. did you get snow? did you get it right? so from working as a journalist to owning a nightclub . our next owning a nightclub. our next guest has a interesting career. now he was a minister of health dunng now he was a minister of health during the covid pandemic. he worked very closely alongside former health secretary matt hancock that revealed his face already. look and speak to people about this, heads will roll. not yet. he was behind the nhs test and trace service which is established to help prevent the spread of covid 19. he left the spread of covid 19. he left the government during boris johnson's second cabinet reshuffle. he also managed to

officially become part of the house lords 2018. through house of lords in 2018. through a hereditary peers by—election, i mean this time away from work. he's loving father to his four children. so who he. yes. well, i'm delighted say that. i'm i'm delighted to say that. i'm joined by lord james bethell in the now. james, thank you the studio now. james, thank you very me. nice very much for, joining me. nice to here. good to you. you've to be here. good to you. you've managed military sound or managed the military sound or did own it? what happened? did you own it? what happened? well, incredible well, there was incredible people with this people who set it up with this amazing of that amazing vision of a club that opened two the morning opened two in the morning dedicated to with an amazing sound system. but blew it sound system. but they blew it up quickly. and then up pretty quickly. and then another came to sort another team came in to sort things out . and in that things out. and i was in that sort of second wind. and we grew it from a shady, an elephant castle into global youth brand and had a lot of fun doing it. that's amazing. and you've come and had a lot of fun doing it. ththe amazing. and you've come and had a lot of fun doing it. ththe in1azing. and you've come and had a lot of fun doing it. ththe in trainerslnd you've come and had a lot of fun doing it. ththe in trainers andlou've come and had a lot of fun doing it. ththe in trainers and looking)me to the in trainers and looking really i'm getting it really funky. so i'm getting it now get picture. so let's now i get the picture. so let's talk this then. so no talk about this then. so no bethell, you've know, bethell, you've been you know, you've been in politics a while. and one of the things that and one of the big things that people have heard about, you people may have heard about, you probably it through probably thought it was through the so talk to the covid pandemic. so talk to me of how you

me about, first of all, how you came be working alongside came to be working alongside hancock what was like hancock and what it was like dunng hancock and what it was like during it was it was during time. well, it was it was an extraordinary time. it was the busiest two years of my life, probably most important thing i'll ever do in my life. we heard about it first right at the beginning of january. there was something on the horizon and. cmo coming into our and. cmo started coming into our office, escalating our concern . office, escalating our concern. but government was really had its head elsewhere. so it didn't really get prioritised across government some time. but when it did , the machine moved into it did, the machine moved into action. it was a remarkable thing be part of and i was thing to be part of and i was just totally impressed by the professionalism , insight, the professionalism, insight, the people i worked with and by the british public who did so much more than anyone thought that they would do in. they possibly would do in. reaction to the pandemic. we see . what was your role within them? because i think a lot of people might actually disagree with what you said because. we had some very disastrous attempts track trace or test attempts to track trace or test and trace what was nothing. and trace what it was nothing. nothing be working nothing seems to be working properly and little properly. and all the little apps that tried to create,

apps that they tried to create, everything always better everything was always better somewhere it's somewhere else, even though it's supposed is it? supposed to be. what is it? world beating. so what was your role in that during the pandemic? well, was the house pandemic? well, i was the house of minister, junior of lords minister, junior minister working for matt hancock life sciences hancock and the life sciences minister , so quite a lot minister, so quite a lot theoretically landed on my desk . i had to take all the legislation through the house of lords. it was very much accountable for the measures that we brought in, including lockdown vaccine measures. and i said you'd been around for people to say only six people in your house or six people in this and now i took all and all of that. now i took all of that through parliament or at least the house of lords, a bit of it thing i'd say is it's of it and thing i'd say is it's probably true we got off to probably true that we got off to a start. weren't in a slow start. we weren't in great shape, we'd run down our pubuc great shape, we'd run down our public health resources and we and we'd just been through an election through so and we'd just been through an ehad on through so and we'd just been through an ehad was through so and we'd just been through an ehad was somewhere so and we'd just been through an ehad was somewhere else. so and we'd just been through an ehad was somewhere else. but we i had was somewhere else. but we caught well. and i think caught up very well. and i think when the inquest happened it will quite the achievement will judge quite the achievement of and the british people of both and the british people in terms of fighting the virus, preserving and getting the

country back on its feet. so it was we were bringing some of the legislation which now we know that some of lockdown was the severity of lockdown have severity of the lockdown have actually slightly actually been slightly counterproductive . that's what actually been slightly couthink'oductive . that's what actually been slightly couthink anyway, . that's what actually been slightly couthink anyway, because what we think anyway, because we couldn't know couldn't possibly know what would we hadn't would have happened if we hadn't done way. what your done it that way. what was your view legislation was view as that legislation was going you think going through, did you think that things were that those things were reasonable? and now looking back on think there's anything on it, do think there's anything that a bit that perhaps was a bit ridiculous? an find it ridiculous? it's an i find it extra to me what we went through and the things we and that we did the things we did seems it was a dream did it seems like it was a dream some but no was very some respects but no it was very evidence that we really hard on what the impact might be. there were times when we had were many times when we had little no what the little really no idea what the virus do. to give an virus do. to give you an example, didn't to jump example, it didn't used to jump more two metres and more than two metres and then delta september 20, 21 delta came in september 20, 21 and much much more and it was much much more infectious. those kinds of twists and changes were extremely difficult to predict, and we were course, very and we were of course, very worried it might the virus and we were of course, very worrie get it might the virus and we were of course, very worrie get worse. ight the virus and we were of course, very worrie get worse. that he virus and we were of course, very worrie get worse. that wasirus and we were of course, very worrie get worse. that was the might get worse. that was the precedent viruses. so precedent in other viruses. so it it started attacking it might it started attacking children , pregnant women or children, pregnant women or other who were vulnerable. so we

were defensive to begin . but in were defensive to begin. but in the round, i think we broadly got it right. and i think the british public broadly supported what we did, certainly the opinion polls and the reaction we got from our engagement was that public were extremely concerned about the virus and were keen for us to stop it from spreading . so what about how was spreading. so what about how was it tested trace or track and trace. i get confused. what that meant to be called? which one was it that you were running all? did the same thing. what's the trace testing. the track and trace testing. trace same thing. began trace the same thing. it began with small a frankly with a with a small a frankly underresourced england underresourced public england facility . they clearly scale it facility. they clearly scale it quickly enough. so we created a new body outside the nhs , the new body outside the nhs, the nhs were focussed on treating this about preventing and took it from literally a few hundred tests a day to nearly a million tests a day to nearly a million tests a day to nearly a million tests a day. and in that that it was a hell of a rollercoaster ride and there were undoubtedly mistakes , but we built one of mistakes, but we built one of the most impressive pieces of

civil infrastructure. this country almost world has ever seen, and certainly other countries became extremely envious both of the scale capacity and the speed and the accuracy of our testing. no other country was able to do it in the same way. so. so the testing that we did was good. i know . i heard there were a lot know. i heard there were a lot of false positives. the actual test kits themselves. one is accurate is . is that is that accurate is. is that is that a valid no? there were undoubtedly when we got things wrong operationally it was incredibly to organise we had to do that. we had to turn around the testing quickly and at the beginning everyone knew that nhs number so we were starting in a place that the data wasn't up to scratch. but by the time things got moving i think that the accuracy of the tests was extremely high and. the turnaround that people had was extremely and i think in terms of the county tracing that that was disastrous. that was no it was disastrous. that was no it was a remarkable achievement. everyone a mixed, mixed experience . it's certainly me experience. it's certainly me and family. we're engaged with

them many times, but it really did slow down the spread of virus and saved many, many lives. you i mean, a lot of people saw that the country was at a standstill and that actual standstill probably cost quite a few lives in itself. yes. and there were quite a few difficulties with it as well . it difficulties with it as well. it was pinging people who , you was pinging people who, you know, it seemed to be all over the place. and in the end, most people even to get people didn't even want to get the the end, i remember the the in the end, i remember the very first briefing we from very first briefing we had from the and told us about the cmo and cmo told us about how he told some how work, and he told us some things that we didn't really know or understand. he said, for instance, wave instance, that the second wave will bigger than the first will be bigger than the first wave, was totally wave, which was totally counterintuitive in the spring 2021. counterintuitive in the spring 2021 he counterintuitive in the spring 2021. he absolutely 2021. but he was absolutely right also said right about that. he also said that people will die of non—covid because of the pressure on the health care system than of covid itself. and thatis system than of covid itself. and that is an unfortunate a fact of life when have pandemics the impact not just on the health system and the people who die of the disease itself, it's on the economy and. it's on broad the

broader health of the country. and the trick is to keep the health care system on its feet so it doesn't all escalate into a big disaster. more people would have died and the economy would have died and the economy would have died and the economy would have been hit. even harder if we had let the treatment of the virus spin out of control. and that never happened. well, we got omicron came along and. it became almost like a slightly natural vaccine because it was a much milder form of the that seemed to give us a level of against the other forms of the virus. but we weren't sure, by the way, in fact, some tiny, right. you don't think right. i think. you don't think so? think we want one to not so? i think we want one to not think that. well, i think the thing i really attribute thing i would really attribute value was not chance. was value in was not chance. it was in the power of the vaccine. i remember beginning we remember at the beginning we told to base our told not to not to base our plans vaccine and was one plans on the vaccine and was one of reasons why we piled into of the reasons why we piled into test and trace in a big that we did because that was our fallback vaccine fallback plan if the vaccine hadnt fallback plan if the vaccine hadn't have worked as well as it did, then we have living in did, then we have been living in a where testing and a world where testing and tracing of tracing would have been of everyone's but the but we everyone's life, but the but we were really lucky and our

scientists were skilled to create a vaccine that although needs boosters does prevents severe disease. well, i mean, look, i'm good. some scientists, some african scientists some south african scientists said omicron was actually said the omicron was actually seemed a thing in a sense. seemed to be a thing in a sense. and i think there was lot of talk that it was actually a good thing. obviously, the thing. and obviously, with the layer that, a lot layer of protection that, a lot of had had virus. so of people had had the virus. so they had some protection. the vaccine also came into account and measures that and some of the measures that people taking, people were taking, washing their the mouth, their hands, covering the mouth, all thing, all that kind of thing, eventually layering that eventually had a layering that formed a level of protection, but a of people are looking at that now and saying that vaccine now and saying actually effective, actually isn't as effective, couldn't called couldn't really be called a vaccine vaccinated. vaccine because it's vaccinated. what is just give you what it does is just give you a layer, but you can still catch the virus . well, afraid that the virus. well, i'm afraid that is like and we were is vaccines are like and we were warned that from the beginning. there some like the smallpox there are some like the smallpox vaccine take you vaccine that you take once. you never need look at that never need to look at that disease the but most disease again the face. but most vaccines erode and. it is vaccines do erode and. it is true that this vaccine does grow quite a lot, and i think we do further investment to improve

vaccine and to get better vaccines. i don't think the book is closed on covid vaccinations. yeah, well, it certainly shouldn't be, because obviously a people died a lot of people many people died as result the vaccine as a result of. the vaccine themselves, vaccine injured themselves, a vaccine injured people were not taken people who were not really taken account initially, that . but now account initially, that. but now people are acknowledging that are like myocarditis and are things like myocarditis and they're definitely attributing certain conditions to it. do you think we should be carrying on in this direction with these particular vaccines, in particular vaccines, in particular a person's? particular the mmr a person's? yeah, , i think yeah, i think, i think that there are impacts from a lot of people taking vaccines but on something like heart impacts and the thing that really affect your heart is catching i mean much more than ever taking the vaccine to the of it is completely slightly on the side of the vaccine. does the vaccine need to be improved ? yes, need to be improved? yes, undoubtedly it does. but i think we've done everything we possibly can to try to protect any downsides . do you possibly can to try to protect any downsides. do you think it was want to do the max vaccinate with people who are not vulnerable. it were although

some realise they some people don't realise they have vulnerability. you have a vulnerability. but do you think to do that think it was wise to do that overall because overall approach? because as we've with of we've especially with some of the people, mean, the young people, i mean, they're rolling out, talking , they're rolling out, talking, running out to really young people, i don't agree people, which i don't agree with at because definitely at all. so because definitely not vulnerable people, we're seeing that people who shouldn't have impacted hard by the have been impacted hard by the back, by the virus or even had a very mild disease , are having very mild disease, are having quite long effects as result, the number of people who are describing symptoms of long covid is one and a half million at the moment. i personally had at the moment. i personally had a very mild disease in october and i'm still completely as a result of it. so i think is a nasty disease . and the thing nasty disease. and the thing with the children is they don't have strong symptoms themselves, but they are carriers of the disease. so i think it worth looking at whether we should be trying contain the spread of it but taking a very hard nosed look at that, i perhaps we should look at changing making vaccine actually work as a proper vaccine like a working out how we can actually stop it

from allowing people to still continue to vectors of the continue to be vectors of the disease. that way disease. and then that way perhaps be more intuitive perhaps before be more intuitive and to take. but at and be prepared to take. but at the moment i'm out with i've done bits and i think i've a done my bits and i think i've a few probably had covid. few i probably had covid. i don't more of it, don't want any more of it, mainly because of i'm mainly because of what i'm seeing i'm thinking, know, seeing. i'm thinking, you know, i back. what do you i want to step back. what do you think, though, the british public, in a sense this country did a high death toll did have quite a high death toll to virus? think of to the virus? well think one of one. there are several reasons. i already that. i think i've already said that. i think i've already said that. i don't think we were in a great state. first but this is state. first of all. but this is not healthy. none we one of not healthy. none we are one of the countries of the world that has some highest levels has some of the highest levels of obesity. we've got very high prevalence of disease amongst some of society some parts of our society of smoking . we have mental health smoking. we have mental health pressures . our smoking. we have mental health pressures. our nhs is smoking. we have mental health pressures . our nhs is fantastic. pressures. our nhs is fantastic. a treating people who are sick. but as a country we are not good at avoiding . and therefore when at avoiding. and therefore when people went into hospital with virus very , often they had virus very, often they had co—morbidities , they had co—morbidities, they had a pressure on their heart on their weight and that them to be hit

much by the disease and we need to look at that as a as a national priority and also equipment. so ppe , we had issues equipment. so ppe, we had issues with that as well. i mean i know you can't really talk too much about the michelle situation because obviously that's under investigation. but what can you tell of that? well, tell us about all of that? well, there was an internal crisis around ppe no country had enough the beginning. and i think we did well to scramble to try to get some it was complete neatly unseemly and i think as a country, we did well to prioritise ppe and a lot of money was spent to do that. and i think that that the right thing to do on the whole entrepreneurs and those who supported us did really well and brilliantly. but there a few a very small minority i feel did take mic did try to line their pockets and behaved and at this for fashion and i really regret that overall the country stepped up and finally matt hancock yes i did . you know about that thing

i did. you know about that thing that was going on. did everybody ? i didn't know about it at all. and i mean he's he's given his account of it and. just stand by what he said. i think he did a good job in the jungle. i forgive him. i know some people wouldn't, but, you know, i think he's human just like everybody else. so talk to me very briefly what you're now, then. what you're up to now, then. what's going in your world. what you're up to now, then. what'i going in your world. what you're up to now, then. what'i think in your world. what you're up to now, then. what'i think the in your world. what you're up to now, then. what'i think the pandemic rld. what you're up to now, then. what'i think the pandemic did well, i think the pandemic did touch me. been a year since i've been a minister. i've been thinking about what i should do next am focussed on next and i am very focussed on the of the nation. think the health of the nation. think that to try focus that i would like to try focus on to improve the overall on trying to improve the overall healthiness country. healthiness of this country. well, we should work well, i think we should work together because i think it's expert and i think we could do some stuff together. let's some good stuff together. let's do so much as do that. i thank you so much as get you. good to talk get to talk to you. good to talk to you again. that is lord, james bethell, he's the former health worked health minister who also worked alongside matt hancock. this is gb up, it's time gb news. coming up, it's time for great british debate. for our great british debate. and is it fair to and so i'm asking, is it fair to rely on army for everything, rely on the army for everything, the over a thousand the drafted in over a thousand

told me first now to help cover the ambulance drivers, border force prepare to force workers as they prepare to go strike. is go on strike. but is that i mean, why should they have to do this they're not this bad man? they're not allowed to strike and they're actually paid those who are actually paid than those who are striking and who striking and those who are striking and those who are striking asking i mean, striking asking for i mean, shouldn't focusing on shouldn't they be focusing on their with discuss their own rules with discuss all of after this .

it is 25 minutes after 5:00. this is a gb news we are the people's channel. i'm a queer. now it's time for our great british debate. this hour i'm asking, is it fair to rely on the army for, everything in the lives of all the strikes and protests, halting up and down the country. the government brought in 1200 military personnel to step in for ambulance drivers and, border force guards and all lot. and the thing is, these workers within the military paid a lot

less than the people who are striking. and they also don't have the right to strike themselves . now, the chief of themselves. now, the chief of defence has warned that the army officers shouldn't be to spare capacity and instead focus on their role as soldier. if the army being used as a crutch for the lack workers, what happens when we do need the military? are they capable even doing the job squatting? is it actually fair then to have to cover for private sector workers or public sector workers who can strike ? sector workers who can strike? they themselves can't suffer great budget debate this i'm asking is it fair to rely on the army everything? joined army for everything? i'm joined now labour minister now by former labour minister for dennis, for europe, mcshane. dennis, thank you for joining for europe, mcshane. dennis, thank you forjoining me. you thank you for joining me. you met isu that is the medicine . so met isu that is the medicine. so what do you think? do you think the army are capable to tackle vacancies left by strikes ? vacancies left by strikes? actually. should we be expecting to do that ? none. i'm a great to do that? none. i'm a great fan . the army, i think they are fan. the army, i think they are superb professionals and probably it's a lost bit of british public service. the british public service. the british that functions according

to all the duty and response ability. so understand if the debacle be put on them. i don't actually think it'll much difference because the people i think go with nurses. we've had the accusations of pay could be inflationary but sir john dave, the deputy governor of the bank england said quite clearly look, the national health service charge anything it doesn't put up price to by definition you can't inflation in it the people who are putting up prices are our supermarkets and lots of other people who quietly to make money off of this. my worry about the army is been cut by successive prime ministers to lowest level since the beginning of the 18th century, with half the size of the french. they do a magnificent job. we get a great bang for the buck. but they're trained to kill for heaven's sake. turkey delivered to those cuddly nurses. i'm just not sure it's really going to

work will really help. very disappointed rishi sunak. i didn't think he was going to be such a gimmick merchant as boris johnson and liz , but with this johnson and liz, but with this little stunt , he's back into little stunt, he's back into silly gimmicks instead of sitting down talking with the cutting a deal in the middle and stopping any bill fear and worry for the british people . what do for the british people. what do you think, though , dennis, of you think, though, dennis, of the idea that first of all, the army are going to somebody has to do it. so we're going to get the army. and then there's the fact that the army are public sector workers who cannot strike and actually getting paid a lot less than public workers. you can strike they're covering can strike and they're covering for these people. i just it just sit with me. what what's your thought on that? well, i'm comfortable with it. and i'm sure the army personnel, especially the low ranks, who are perhaps hoping get away for are perhaps hoping get away for a bit over christmas with. families coming day will be disappoint they'll do their duty

and. we should admire them for that , but we and. we should admire them for that, but we should be very, very careful. i mean, the highest commanding ranking officer , the head of the entire officer, the head of the entire military in britain , rankin said military in britain, rankin said today he doesn't want to get the army involved . you'll get a few army involved. you'll get a few right wing officers who pop up right wing officers who pop up right letters to the daily telegraph say get a break. the strike strikes are terrible, but we're without . so i don't think we're without. so i don't think they'll be said to drive trains or to do the pull. they'll be said to drive trains or to do the pull . they'll work or to do the pull. they'll work in stations that, of course the rmt and mr. lynch's members are out doing this simply it's the easy target drives around israel maximum publicity is gimmick time and frankly i just wish our prime minister says you have a use here that shows that do you know you feel of course are you getting hotter but think i don't think rishi sunak's though it does because remember he's almost stay right almost opinionated. stay right there joined there because i'm also joined by former of counter—terrorism there because i'm also joined by forn uk of counter—terrorism there because i'm also joined by forn uk majorf counter—terrorism there because i'm also joined by forn uk majorf counte chip rorism and uk major general chip chapman . major, first of all,

chapman. major, first of all, thank you so much us now as a military man, do you think that the british army is actually capable of filling in the jobs and do you even think it's fair that they be doing that, that they should be doing that, considering i think considering initially? i think the a gets about 21 grand at the lowest rank and somebody the medical about medical profession about 27 grand strike grand soldier cannot strike a person in the medical profession can and they're of covering can and they're kind of covering for them really question for them not really a question whether it's fair. it's a question of whether policy and stated commitment was been policy and stated commitment, sincere thought, really . for sincere thought, really. for example, when dennis was a minister we had the i where the armed forces it's not just the army involved in floods fuel for army involved in floods fuel for a marathon 26,000 armed forces personnel on the national fire strike and fresco so . it's strike and fresco so. it's something that they do. and in fact what has got it wrong and where the chief of defence staff is slightly wrong is that they wanted to do this more particularly in the last few years when iraq and afghanistan were drawing to a close. they wanted to do this. that's why,

for example they got involved in the olympics in 2012 and why it's embedded in all the defence documents both in the 2015 national security review and explicitly in the 2021 integrated review, where it does talk explicitly about support to the civil authorities in terms of floods or in those that they've put on standby for counter—terrorist operations as we saw in 2017 ten para whether 3800 armed forces personnel at some sort of managed to move to help the government if it to get troops involved . mm i think troops involved. mm i think i suppose what the army normally be doing then if they weren't getting involved in stuff like this are they busy. because i sort of think well in a way i think they should be doing it, but what they doing? but then what are they doing? what do they do in a well, the first thing is that core defence outputs are still being carried outputs are still being carried out on a daily basis. so if you look across the three services

at the moment, you have quick reaction alert aircraft to shoot down example renegade or rogue aircraft or even russian should they come across you've got the continuous at sea patrol from the nicola bombers on nuclear deterrent and for example the army at the moment are deployed on the enhanced forward presence is part of nato in for example estonia and so whole so they are quite busy . bring estonia and so whole so they are quite busy. bring in dennis mcshane. let's get him back on and let's have a chat with you. let's get you both in. so dennis and dennis and so in your views . and you want me i'm trying to summarise what you're saying. you're that the shouldn't you're that the army shouldn't be in this actually the be involved in this actually the focus be on making sure focus should be on making sure that the services are running properly and people are being paid better rather than bringing the is your the army in. is that is your view? yeah yes. i mean, of course, i agree. i remember the minister, sirjackson minister, general. sirjackson with red berets striding with the red berets striding across the hills kind of burning mounds of sheep to sort out bse and foot and mouth and song. and

of course, are there for emergencies who've got floods . emergencies who've got floods. but our nurses aren't terrace . but our nurses aren't terrace. this is a counter—terrorism . this is a counter—terrorism. this is a counter—terrorism. this isn't about stopping the russians or doing sending drones over uk. this is our decent women men middle age who've treated very poorly and sharply by the government in recent years . they're the patients that years. they're the patients that were they never went on strike before and it just say to the british people please give us a week we're not going to produce an inflationary assessment. the figures that all a doubt was producing the sportif they'll be completely shocked . we've a completely shocked. we've a prime minister doesn't even know what the nhs stand for because . what the nhs stand for because. he's so rich and there's no need . the nhs and so i just think he's alienating a lot of people. but the army, i mean all the points are what the military do but not, not frightened. get involved on one side why was the lost the support of the people

simply to humiliate our lovely nurses . listen to this. simply to humiliate our lovely nurses. listen to this. we're running out of time . general running out of time. general chip chapman as well. thank you so for joining chip chapman as well. thank you so forjoining me, former chip chapman as well. thank you so for joining me, former head of counterterrorism, ministry of defence and also denis macshane, former . thank you former minister for. thank you very much for joining former minister for. thank you very much forjoining me. that's their but what are yours. their views but what are yours. this a news if you just tuned this a gb news if you just tuned in welcome. but where on earth have been? there's have you been? there's still more come coming up, more to come because coming up, continue budget continue with the great budget debate i'm asking debate this hour. i'm asking it fair rely the army. fair to rely on the army. everything you hear, the thoughts , my panel, political thoughts, my panel, political commentator sam dowler and also broadcasting journalist danny kelly. i will bring you you guys bringing in we'll you up to date on the latest , of course, with on the latest, of course, with the action of the world cup final. think it's still playing the first. let's get latest the first. let's get your latest news headlines . hello there. news headlines. hello there. it's 533. i'm bethany elsie the gb newsroom. a man has charged with facilitating attempted entry into the uk . it's after

entry into the uk. it's after four people died and 39 were rescued from the english channel when a migrant boat capsized earlier week. kent police say 19 year old ibrahim ball of no fixed address has been remanded in custody and will appear at folkestone magistrates court tomorrow . a cabinet minister tomorrow. a cabinet minister says not fair that military personnel having to cover for pubuc personnel having to cover for public sector workers on strike over the festive period . over the festive period. chancellor of the duchy of lancaster , oliver dowden urged lancaster, oliver dowden urged unions call off the industrial action, warning pay rises end up making everyone . more than 1000 making everyone. more than 1000 troops are expected to cover striking workers such as paramedics border force officials . police a property in officials. police a property in birmingham . they've found what birmingham. they've found what is believed to be remains of a child. west police have been searching the garden of a house in handsworth following information about a possible burial. a post—mortem examination will be carried to establish the cause of death .

establish the cause of death. engineers have restored power to all homes . shetland today but all homes. shetland today but burst water pipes have reportedly more than doubled across scotland as a result of ice. more than 5000 homes were cut off last week as . cut off last week as. temperatures dropped as low as minus 17 degrees. a incident was declared after snow downed power lines . scottish water has repair lines. scottish water has repair teams in several areas to fix the water , but warned that some the water, but warned that some response times may not come until this week . you're up to until this week. you're up to date on tv , online and dub plus date on tv, online and dub plus radio. we'll get back to nana in just a moment.

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you just you did welcome . now, you just you did welcome. now, the question i'm asking , is it the question i'm asking, is it fair to rely on the army everything in light of all the strikes and protests halting services across the country. the government has dropped about 1200 army officers to cover for ambulance and border force personnel . now the chief of personnel. now the chief of defence has warned that. military personnel should not be treated as spare capacity and they should focus on their own as army officers . so for the as army officers. so for the great debate this hour, i'll ask, is it actually fair to rely on the army for pretty much everything? let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by sam dowler and also danny. so what think? is it fair? what do you think? is it fair? well, starters , their job. well, for starters, their job. it's their job to fill in and situation like this. but not to be used as like a government shell or like, you know, like , shell or like, you know, like, for example, you know, we don't know what what they feel about about strikes, whether they agree with it or not. they the army, for example, have been given a 3.4% pay rise in the last four years. a lot less than

the nhs and. and then you look to example the pa to strike out on the year they they had the government over a barrel and were given a 15% pay rise because you can't like the army in come to a pass this job of course. but i think why they can. they can drive an ambulance blah blah. i mean, come on now. we have to. we have to we have to think about you know, we have to think about you know, we have to think about the army, for example, and fact that example, and the fact that they're trying make the make example, and the fact that theyboots'ing make the make example, and the fact that theyboots oni make the make example, and the fact that theyboots on groundze the make example, and the fact that theyboots on ground a the make example, and the fact that theyboots on ground a smaller;e the boots on ground a smaller capacity. and and this, you capacity. and this and this, you know could diminish know, could diminish their operational capability use light, which is what we need at a time when we are not technically but at war and broke. danny what do you think? i think it's going to reduce the technical operational capability of for a long time. it might. that advance warning so they know the dates . i think the army know the dates. i think the army should as apolitical as possible . and i'm going to make some sweeping generalisations . but sweeping generalisations. but no, you know , i have a large

no, you know, i have a large time , but we're supposed to be time, but we're supposed to be shocked. oh most of these people go most of the soldiers who will be drafted. this is a generalised issue. they will come from working class a states up and down the country . they up and down the country. they haven't come to sandhurst. that's where captains are trained and they're the henrys , trained and they're the henrys, they're the of the they're the rupert's of the army. so these generally army. so these kids, generally speaking, will have an ideological siding with the strike . they're scousers, strike. they're scousers, they're geordies think monks. i'm i don't think it's that click with these. finish my point please. so they are now being ideological partly persuaded to undermine the nurses strike , the nurses, the nurses strike, the nurses, the mums and dads of these squaddies. some of them on the picket line. and i'm pleased that they're doing it because ambulances to be driven as i understand, they can't go through the red lights. you need training for that so that they're going be fairly used they're going to be fairly used to of drivers already. to some of the drivers already. yeah, but need do know yeah, but you need do you know years ago i did duke of edinburgh. afternoon i did i

took a cab and myself one evening was supposed to be trekking but that's not. i'll go the middle now so. but i mean the middle now so. but i mean the us didn't think about it and i went to the fire service was always one of the things i was going to do and at the time and i'm sure asylum all clever and technical in that but at the time the forceps actually had a button that could press which would lights green. would make all the lights green. so say the so everyone would say the traffic move is when the and it was going through a bit like in the italian they stop? the italian job, did they stop? because don't know whether because i don't know whether or not. when you're not. so i'm saying when you're saying don't need to i'm saying they don't need to i'm saying they don't need to i'm saying they don't need to jump red lights if they have capability see ambulance capability when see an ambulance driver light means driverjump in a red light means that they change that they can't change the lighting. maybe, lighting. well, maybe, maybe. no, but there's lots no, of course. but there's lots i mean, it was only a little bit it sounds that the army, the army army and the nhs army and the army and the nhs they look they look at they look at foolishness that happen dunng at foolishness that happen during they during the pandemic like they and that we can't and they say that we can't we can't give the nurses can't afford to give the nurses this pay. we can't afford this extra pay. we can't afford to give anyone this extra pay. but you know, they waste

but then, you know, they waste 44 billion on nepotism, 44 billion on ppe, on nepotism, on and they give it on corruption, and they give it to and stuff. where to their pals and stuff. where are getting ? can't they are they getting? why can't they get sick? give it to get that one in sick? give it to nurses. also, there was the thing as and then also there was that potential dropping the that potential of dropping the high tax on 45 to 40. high rate of tax on 45 to 40. and then let me finish. thanks. i'm talking you just like private place. and that would have cost one point approximately 1.8 billion and thatis approximately 1.8 billion and that is slightly than what if they did do on pay rise, it would cost the government. so a lot of these people are looking at it, going well, you found that for that's why can't you find 1.3 popping buying your find 1.3 popping and buying your plans. you know i'm tired plans. well you know i'm tired of irritates me that tells of that irritates me that tells you what about about two years ago we were clapping and banging on of stuff. on all of that sort of stuff. yeah. okay they were doing their job hard situations. job in very hard situations. and the that the seller, of the reason that the seller, of course, they the reason that course, they are the reason that the can't afford give the government can't afford give a is that it's a 19% pay rise is that it's going to cost 10 billion, come to table, give them 12, then to the table, give them 12, then come but why such come to the table. but why such a ridiculous pounds? also a ridiculous pounds? and also most nhs decided not

most the nhs trusts decided not to on strike. so you have the to go on strike. so you have the 40 odd nhs trusts who say ? it's 40 odd nhs trusts who say? it's not money, which they not about the money, which they would say, but it is. it's about working conditions. part of it is recruit . yeah. so how is if you recruit. yeah. so how come to thirds of nhs come i think to thirds of nhs trusts didn't a concern about future recruitment didn't have a conservative work conditions and didn't have a pool because some of them paid quite well of them have paid quite well actually. it's not just nhs, actually. now it's not just nhs, it's the rail system sort of it's the rail system sort of it's the rail system sort of it's the port is border well it's the port is the border well adjusted about the policies. that's the only thing the you know the army can't come in and be a lawyer. they so therefore they'll 50, they'll give them that 50, whereas these other people who they just think what disposable medical, army medical, dental are the army common what's it out common and so what's it out that's they don't that's not right they don't think disposable do. think the nhs is disposable do. of course. of course. no none of them. but what i'm saying is what government thinks that they can in, bring can just bring in, bring in like, you these, these like, you know these, these squaddies can, they can squaddies and they can, they can drive ambulances, they can drive the ambulances, they can do they can do that. they can be the and allow they're not if the and allow if they're not if they're going as well they're going to strike as well and it. but it is it's

and then put it. but it is it's that isn't how it works. they're not well the not just there for well the general strike those ago in general strike all those ago in the early 19 that was the early 19 9020 that was broken largely the broken largely by the organisation and officers, the military government were military and the government were very of course very organised. so of course that only nine that strike only lasted nine days. a government very organised you organised well. yeah. so you what this not. i know. it's what is this not. i know. it's unbelievable isn't it. the cost of actually i think you look the other angle this an aspect that i'm sort of looking at is fact that people who are in army are pubuc that people who are in army are public but of the public servants but how of the do the right to strike public servants but how of the and it out that the lowest and it turns out that the lowest grade paramedic gets about 60 £600 more than somebody who's in the. that is at the the. yeah so that is at the bottom of level it just bottom of level and it just seems slow . i know that public seems slow. i know that public service servants and things they don't have the right to strike. it a little bit unfair it seems a little bit unfair that for people who that are covering for people who often get somewhere it stinks . often get somewhere it stinks. yeah they've got they've given out been given like no out they've been given like no pay out they've been given like no pay rise in the last four years 3.4 i said. and obviously 3.4 as i said. and obviously people they people are striking they probably use it as as probably not use it as well as their families they didn't agree it then coming it's it as well then coming in it's like an extra army government.

it doesn't deal like that. they like, like like, you know, they like professional scabs that are forced you know, the full forced to, you know, the full scope over the the line and scope over the over the line and on the other side , i think that on the other side, i think that the army has, as danny said, that it's their job. they're meant to cover of things anyway. that's why i asked what, are they doing isn't a they doing when there isn't a war? well our attention now war? well turn our attention now to the cup. yes to the final the world cup. yes what is a nail final? and it's gone to penalties i'm joined now by gb news reporter paul hawkins . qatar. i've got some . he's in qatar. i've got some qatar there for us qatar and he's out there for us now . paul, see atmosphere now. paul, we'll see atmosphere like what's going on. what's going on? i'll tell you boy it's only the greatest football match of all. it doesn't matter if you hate buddhism, if you hate sport, it's absolute. walt of all drama. it's pulled single eyeball in the world. it quite frankly and y'know up to 80 minutes of this match. it wasn't a case of libya, it was a blur. they the french were nowhere. they the french were nowhere. they weren't even in this contest. the went in to nil out after him messy with a penalty ,

after him messy with a penalty, then de maria with another goal and then in the 80th minute, like i said, france were nowhere but the world's other best player who also happens to with lionel messi for the same club kylian mbappe scored . two goals kylian mbappe scored. two goals in the space of 7 seconds france. they may . they took it france. they may. they took it into extra time, but to all and then it went three two up. little messy you think written the record books it's ultimate story he's going to win the world cup. he's going to score the winner in extra time. and then the french right at the end. there's another kylian mbappe penalty and now mbappe penalty and it's now three all. they're going to three all. and they're going to go panel ts the world cup go to panel ts in the world cup final. remember messi has never won the world cup . the only won the world cup. the only trophy that's eluded him .will trophy that's eluded him. will he win the trophy that some people that makes him one of the world's greatest ever football players along with pele and messi. the drama is incredible . messi. the drama is incredible. well, it sounds like a great match. i'll have to watch it on catch or something like that or frankly i i'm not one can't be bothered with football but of

all i'll be very happy to celebrate when the final comes in.thank celebrate when the final comes in. thank you so much, paul hawkins. he's there in qatar right it's time for sports right now. it's time for sports supplements. sun but before i do that, bring great that, let's bring in our great british because this is british voices because this is the the show we the part of the show where we find out you think about find out what you think about the we're discussing. and the topics we're discussing. and i you think i was asking what do you think was cost to strike? is was the cost to the strike? is it fair that the army should take over? bring in take over? let's bring in a great british voice is where are this day? oh technical issues . i this day? oh technical issues. i think you what they're probably watching the last hour. yeah that's so that's what people are saying that that's what people are saying at home that's oh it's gone it was there . gone. it's gone it was there. gone. this is so much fun. right well, let's something that sunday. let's do something that sunday. why and we'll talk about why not. and we'll talk about the topic of caught my eye the topic sort of caught my eye joining you just tuned in joining me if you just tuned in as wonderful danny is as wonderful danny kelly, who is as wonderful danny kelly, who is a journalist broadcaster, also sam dowler, political commentator. got commentator. right. who's got good you got one? good story. have you got one? well i mean , it's well mine is mine. i mean, it's an about good story, but certainly a fun one. we're talking marks and spencer. it's

been forced to step back after hour by hour about toasted teacake. oh, very british say they basically they've basically taken they've taken toasted cakes and said that they won't serve them part 11 am. because they are now a and breakfast food like for example if you ever wanted to get like a double e99 ever wanted to get like a double egg mcmuffin from you can't get it past 11:00 right. but now mcdonald's saying that you can't get a teacake past o'clock and people of people have complained and the and the big boss of eminence has said no scrapped it, scrapped it's got it. what you know what you can't get actually this time as well. just eat right. let's go australia. they're the world they're so busy with the world cup. go to our cup. right. so let's go to our wonderful bosses and find out what with what they think about with regards striking whether or regards to striking whether or they think it's a good so they think it's a good thing. so i've of you. if i got i've got three of you. if i got the i've got grab i've got oh, i've that alan mcneely and also david. right grab graeme what do you think is it fair you've got to do on your faces. well you

know that last time i saw. great. yeah. i'm going to sound like. oh very yet it's that time of year . so you think it's of year. so do you think it's fair . do you of year. so do you think it's fair. do you think it's fair then to rely on all. but then to rely on the all. but you've got 30 seconds you've got about 30 seconds grab. i don't, i don't think grab. no i don't, i don't think it's fair they're online now good british male . which good old british male. which bnngs good old british male. which brings us a back up. but i feel that because of men need a talk to the nhs and 19% that the nurses they they should deserve that but am as the president are of i just don't get to. yeah thank you for that great say that alan in grimsby what about you got about 30 seconds out of the military i'll do what they always say do with professionalism and good humour and of one of your panellists said they probably won't like it in some cases because they'll have that connection with i don't to be involved in several

disputes , but it's part of the disputes, but it's part of the job. you just get out of it. well, okay. and for the david in watford i'm one very quickly so don't we all come on in the operating theatres and all nursing people that driving the ambulances they've always been around they have to go to system as thought is never a complaint about that they're just spitting as should get as much as they can possibly get but it's going to be painful for someone like many people machines go things often and replace them with mass wages for nurses well listen thank you so much for your lovely to join me as well i'll go and see graham in and also david watford. thank you. well let's carry on with supplements. sundowner daddies , a supplement sundowner daddies, a supplement that caught attention with that caught his attention with what sure and just back to what is sure and just back to some sunday supplement. no one tells when i can't eat tells me when i can't eat a teacake. right. no one said with a nice beat it better until just the one. just a couple it doesn't right that this is all

about age gaps and ross—king king, who is the hollywood reporter for lorraine , 60, and reporter for lorraine, 60, and he has split his actress wife, brianna deutch , who's 38 after brianna deutch, who's 38 after seven years of marriage. so they got married when he was, say, 50 to 50, what she would have been like 29, 30. this is that's a hell of an age. but is he rich? he said he's brother to lucy . on he said he's brother to lucy. on the table was king. oh i'm not jonathan . so he's. the table was king. oh i'm not jonathan . so he's . yes, he's the jonathan. so he's. yes, he's the that's in prison for things. i'm not sure he's married. he's he's brother. he said something brother. he said something brother to somebody important. well it's definitely not jonathan. he's your supplement. you never mentioned jonathan . you never mentioned jonathan. no, it doesn't . his brother, no, it doesn't. his brother, it's a it's a divorce. why would it's a it's a divorce. why would it mention his in the football? it is. i thought . throw me under it is. i thought. throw me under the bus so. yeah. age gaps. yeah age gap. yeah you're big an age . so what's the biggest age gap. ten years. my wife is , is it is ten years. my wife is, is it is

younger than me. yeah oh no. i've been out with someone who was 19 years younger than me. no as far to which they . but i'm as far to which they. but i'm 45. well i've been with somebody who's 20 years younger than me. you kuga. what was me . how did you kuga. what was me. how did that go. they vibes . he you kuga. what was me. how did that go. they vibes. he had to go dispensable, which you imagine if you like dumped me and my got some that so it would be tragic yeah he's lost anyway right and that's my supplement this is a large number of gender inclusion have been scrapped to see if he of fake scientifically nonsensical complaints women's rights being overwritten due to the beliefs of the workshop organisers along with people finding contents awful and upsetting . talked about so said. upsetting. talked about so said. what do you think that gender inclusion works out to be abolished ? and also what even is abolished? and also what even is gender inclusion voice it but is it do you think some should be. well i mean, it's a bit of a curve ball. i want to talk about us today . i do believe curve ball. i want to talk about us today. i do believe in gender

inclusion. i believe in trans rights, non—binary . i believe rights, non—binary. i believe that, you know , there are that, you know, there are various genders know people say that there are two sexes fine when you like when it comes down to biology, but there are various genders now. so i think that i think that people should and benefit . but don't you and would benefit. but don't you think it's a contradiction in because what if your gender isn't listed to make a new isn't listed to make up a new one? dani i found out recently that the person, the in charge of rape crisis scotland is a bloke who's now a woman. i think he lost that job i don't know what you know what he did lose job it's good that you say he instead of she because he's a bloke he's a bloke in a dress for the point the point is it's like everybody everybody has a massive go it's about pronouns for example like, know, it's for example like, you know, it's okay somebody pronoun and okay to ask somebody pronoun and for you trans for them tell you i have trans friends and know, in the friends and you know, in the beginning was like, what is beginning i was like, what is it? i just want to know your name. so oh, just beat it. just be respectful people be respectful to what people people be called like

people want to be called like don't some, get married don't get some, get married don't get some, get married don't married. use, you don't get married. you use, you use married thing about use that new married thing about maybe so been maybe no. well so we've been should ofcom regulates giants and according to what a poll 56% of you said yes , 44% of you say of you said yes, 44% of you say no. interesting let's a huge thank you to my fabulous political commentator. sound dowler and also broadcast danny kelly also thank to you for joining me as well. i'll be back.i joining me as well. i'll be back. i can safely say that i do want to do the spoiler but argentina have won they beat. yes i'm about that on penalties . well thank you so much for coming. i'll leave you now with the weather. enjoy your week. let's look ahead to this evening's weather and the uk will be wet and windy many places as increasingly spreads north here are the details. heavy rain continue in southwest england evening with blustery winds . a yellow rain warning is winds. a yellow rain warning is in force . there may be some in force. there may be some localised flooding . the rain localised flooding. the rain warning also extends to sussex

where heavy and strong winds are expected to continue. it'll be a very mild evening compared to recently as temperatures climb in to double stay wet and windy across wales tonight with gusts of 40 miles per hour around the coast . it'll be there'll be some coast. it'll be there'll be some heavy bursts of rain at times, particularly in the south. temperatures will climb across the midlands this evening with spells of rain. at times it'll be a windy end to the day too. a risk of icy roads across of northern england this evening . northern england this evening. but temperatures will start to climb through the night, allowing the ice to melt away. it'll stay cloudy , windy with it'll stay cloudy, windy with spells of rain at times snow will clear to the north of scotland evening, followed by spells of rain and strong winds. any on the ground will start to melt as milder air pushes in. it'll be cloudy, windy and mild across northern ireland evening. it could be a few spells of rain at times too. so mild air will sweep northwards across the country tonight, pushing away

the cold, frosty weather that we've experience in the last two weeks. that's how the weather is shaping up overnight into tomorrow morning .

we welcome to gloria meets three former cabinet ministers all in this evening's show. first up, it's wendy morton. she was chief whip on the listeriosis brief premiership . you know, when you premiership. you know, when you get told that people call you wendy rather than wendy morton is still quite hurtful. coming up . conservative mp for 30 years up. conservative mp for 30 years the former cabinet minister liam fox . she lasted 44 days. liz fox. she lasted 44 days. liz truss will also have to be competent. you also have to be

right and. there really is only