we welcome to gloria meets three former cabinet ministers all in this evening's show. first up, it's wendy morton. she was chief whip on the listeriosis brief premiership . you know, when you premiership. you know, when you get told that people call you wendy rather than wendy morton is still quite hurtful. coming up . conservative mp for 30 years up. conservative mp for 30 years the former cabinet minister liam fox . she lasted 44 days. liz fox. she lasted 44 days. liz truss will also have to be competent. you also have to be right and. there really is only one. jacob rees—mogg when i

relax , go to the house of relax, go to the house of commons and i lie down the front bench. well, what else would you do.7 all bench. well, what else would you do? all that after your news . do? all that after your news. good evening? it's 6:01. i'm bethany lc in the newsroom with some breaking news for you. argentina have won the world cup against france after going through to penalties . let's go through to penalties. let's go live to our reporter, paul hawkins , who's in doha. paul, hawkins, who's in doha. paul, they've it. what's atmosphere like . the is electric. frankly, like. the is electric. frankly, there's constant rounds and rounds of cheers and messy. messy messy, messy because this isn't qatar's world cup this is messi's world. he's finally done it. he's won the only trophy that eluded him after, an absolutely incredible final and for 80 minutes of it, argentine were not in it. they were two nil down at half time. a messy penalty in a de maria strike in

the first half. and then kylian mbappe . messi's psg mate who mbappe. messi's psg mate who plays with him in france stepped up to the plate. he scored two to take it 2 to 2 and then in extra time scored the winner. and you thought, that's it, argentina are going to win the world cup. he's got the win. he is going to be three, two again. kylian mbappe steps up take kylian mbappe steps up to take a second hat trick, world second penalty hat trick, world cup tnck second penalty hat trick, world cup trick for killing the cup hat trick for killing the mbappe. but on penalties are, didn't france, i should say, missed pens argentina missed two pens and argentina have won the world cup for the third time in their history. in 1978, and now 2022. lionel 1978, 1986, and now 2022. lionel messi cementing status as one of the great footballers. if not the great footballers. if not the greatest footballer all time. his final world cup game at the age of 35. it's qatar's world cup. it's lionel messi's world cup. it's lionel messi's world cup. it's lionel messi's world cup . absolutely. what world cup. absolutely. what a brilliant match in doha. thank you . in other news, a man has you. in other news, a man has been charged with facilitating illegal entry into the uk. it's after four people died and 39

were rescued from the english channel. a migrant boat capsized earlier week. kent police say 19 year old ibrahim abah of no fixed address has been remanded in custody and will appear at folks in magistrates court tomorrow . a cabinet minister tomorrow. a cabinet minister says it's not fair that military personnel are having to cover for public sector workers on strike over the festive period. oliver dowden is urging to call off the industrial warning. significant pay rises would end up making every one poorer. more than 1000 troops are expected to cover paramedics and border force staff . engineers have force staff. engineers have restored power to all homes in shetland today , but burst water shetland today, but burst water pipes have reportedly than doubled across scotland as a result of thawing ice. more than 5000 homes were cut off last week . temperatures dropped as week. temperatures dropped as low as minus 17 degrees. a incident was declared after heavy downed power lines. scottish water has repaired teams in several areas to fix

water supply . you're up to date water supply. you're up to date on tv, online , dbe plus radio. on tv, online, dbe plus radio. this is gb news. have more news at the top of the next hour hour. le evening's weather and the uk will be wet and windy in many places as increasingly mild air strikes north. here the details. heavy rain will continue in southwest england evening with blustery winds . a yellow rain blustery winds. a yellow rain warning is in force us. there may be some localised flooding . may be some localised flooding. the rain warning also extends to sussex where heavy and strong winds are expected to continue. it'll be a very evening compared to recently as temperatures climb in to double figures. stay wet and windy across wales tonight with gusts of 40 miles per hour around the coast. it'll be there'll be some heavy bursts of rain at times particularly in the south. temperatures will climb across midlands this

evening with spells rain at times. it'll be a windy end to the day too . there's a risk of the day too. there's a risk of icy roads . the day too. there's a risk of icy roads. parts of the day too. there's a risk of icy roads . parts of northern icy roads. parts of northern england this evening, but temperatures will start to climb through the night, allowing the ice to away. it will stay cloudy and windy with spells of rain at times , snow will clear to the times, snow will clear to the north of this evening, followed by spells , rain and strong by spells, rain and strong winds. any on the ground who start to melt as milder air pushes in, it'll be cloudy, windy , mild across northern windy, mild across northern ireland this evening. it could be a few spells rain at times too. so mild air will sweep northwards across country tonight, pushing away the and frosty weather that we've experienced in the last two weeks. that's how the weather is shaping up overnight into tomorrow morning . tomorrow morning. wendy martin between the six of september and the 25th of

october for you . chief whip your october for you. chief whip your lasted as long as liz premiership . 4040 odd days just premiership. 4040 odd days just made hell of a roller coaster. the toughest point being chief whip, i guess . always tough. whip, i guess. always tough. it's tough mid—term for any whip . so there was a number of things happened along the way. sadly had the death of the queen early on, which meant the reshuffle to pause, rightly so, for period of mourning. then we came back with a reshuffle that was party. there was the benefit rise debate. there was the tax . rise debate. there was the tax. and the night of the it wasn't about fracking tax actually was about fracking tax actually was about confidence . the government about confidence. the government and taking over the oil the papen and taking over the oil the paper. so there was a number of things that. but you know what, gloria ? i wouldn't i wouldn't gloria? i wouldn't i wouldn't change it . i gloria? i wouldn't i wouldn't change it. i just felt honoured and to have had that position for the short time that i that , for the short time that i that, i did. and i, liz listed some

goodin i did. and i, liz listed some good in that short period of time. it's very easy to say what went wrong . but actually the went wrong. but actually the work she did around , energy work she did around, energy pnces work she did around, energy prices and she knew some tough decisions had to be had to be made. so yes. many chief whips up public office on my back. but that that is politics. was there a moment when you realised that liz truss, this premiership was unravelling , it was not unravelling, it was not recoverable . and a lot of people recoverable. and a lot of people asked me that question and i think from the beginning it was tough . i think from the beginning it was tough. i think think from the beginning it was tough . i think party conference tough. i think party conference was always going to be tough, but she she got through that really well by the time we got to that, the night of everyone just calls it the fracking vote. it was obvious that things were very, very difficult . you know, very, very difficult. you know, i don't think it was just that i think there was the budget had been difficult. it was a it was a whole host of a whole host of things. so it just became increasingly increasingly difficult . you just had that difficult. you just had that feeling that, you know, it

post—hurricane a last short term, not not not long term . i term, not not not long term. i read an article . i'm sure you've read an article. i'm sure you've read an article. i'm sure you've read this, too. it was the mail on sunday. it was a few days after you and liz truss were no longer in your jobs. after you and liz truss were no longer in your jobs . the longer in your jobs. the headune longer in your jobs. the headline was this. i just don't want her in here . i hate her. want her in here. i hate her. those were the attributes of the record quotes from liz truss as aides revealing dislike about you ? what was your reaction when you? what was your reaction when you? what was your reaction when you read that story? i was quite staggered when i read that. appropriate in politics to know that. you don't always believe everything that you read, but it is still quite hurtful. that said , i do get on with less and said, i do get on with less and i bumped into her last night. the commons. we've had coffee. i think it was a very, very tense period. but it's fair to say the relationship between number ten and general and me on number 12, as it was was whilst was

difficult at times. and i think that reflects , you know, the that reflects, you know, the nature of , politics and nature of, politics and everything that was going going , going on. but, you know, when you get told that people call you get told that people call you and moore on wrath and wendy morton and other phrases and i had that direct from colleagues they were saying that's they've heard me called from number ten. they didn't say what it was from . and that was the things that, you know, sometimes we all make the mistake of reading twitter. don't and some of the comments on there. but you have to get on with the job and that's what i would always try to do . horrible would always try to do. horrible being called wendy moore . no by being called wendy moore. no by people not not sort of from your opposition the opposition parties because of the sometimes and sometimes it's the people the closest to you that i think feel the worst, isn't it? you know, it's family and it's you. you know, when you when you have to say, right. that don't put the tv on. i mean, the news of it and that's that's the thing

that sometimes i think is yes. is part of politics. we all have to take it. but the question, how much of it is acceptable and how much of it is acceptable and how much of it is acceptable and how much of it not? did it cross a line, the sort of just the language that was directed at you during the think having you during the i, i think having been mp have been accounts have been mp have been accounts have beenin been mp have been accounts have been in politics. you just you get to it but it's not right and doesit get to it but it's not right and does it cross a line sometimes it probably does . i mean, i must it probably does. i mean, i must account ask about the other story the from a certain mp . i story the from a certain mp. i mean some of that was particularly vile that sort of language. but but at the end of the day , you know, we should be the day, you know, we should be in a position where this is about having respect for one another, even in a political. you've been an mp . you go into you've been an mp. you go into the chamber. there are some very, very heated debates. but you should be able to walk out of chamber and be able to have respect for one another and. let's just explain what you just

referred to then. about a week , referred to then. about a week, the job you were the recipient of alleged abusive text from the member of parliament, sir gavin williamson over his exclusion from the guestlist of the queen's funeral . from the guestlist of the queen's funeral. during from the guestlist of the queen's funeral . during the queen's funeral. during the further text exchange about a month later wrote i need no lecture from you, gavin. when i ask a simple question there are investigations going on. do you have any idea about when they will? no, obviously, because an investigation ongoing, i can't comment. i would just hope the investigation follows due process and hopefully sooner rather than later, we get a conclusion on difficult and unpleasant conversations like that. was that of the job they shouldn't be part of that? was more commonplace than the isolated incident that . we know isolated incident that. we know the chief whip has a tough job being chief whip . you you you

being chief whip. you you you are responsible for getting votes through parliament. and i have to say i didn't lose a single vote when i was chief whip. there are probably few chief whips who can that but there's more to it than that there's more to it than that there is participate and there are difficult conversations that have be had . and yes have to be had. and yes sometimes people do get angry in the heat of the moment. we probably we probably all but i still come back to the point you know there are in my view, there are certain red lines and you have to be able to at the end of the day, get on with get on with people. i think the bit about being chief whip that people recognise is that alongside the military part military, traditional part of discipline is there is also a pastoral side to it, there's a welfare side to it that is equally and what i would say , equally and what i would say, the team that i had i worked with brilliant team for those 48, 40 odd days and i couldn't have asked any more of them. you withdrew the whip from the mp, conor byrne . it had it restored

conor byrne. it had it restored after being cleared of serious misconduct at the party conference in october . misconduct at the party conference in october. did you want to quickly honour that decision? yes made connery's back. decision? yes made connery's back . now the investigation is back. now the investigation is concluded so. i think it's important that we all that we all move move on. so i'm not going to i'm not going be drawn any more on that. and i don't think that's fair on. okay. so you're married to dave and politician's partners often see the reality of any strain stress when you get home when you're behind closed doors with your loved ones . what sort of support loved ones. what sort of support did dave provide to you during that? maybe it was just having a glass of wine together or he's he's very pragmatic . he's he's very pragmatic. he's i would say very down to earth, feet on the ground, sort of a person . and i think even on the

person. and i think even on the night of the fracking vote , a night of the fracking vote, a friend, a colleague actually rang. i said, do you realise what was happening? and he said, well, when people do whatever she wants, he knows that i will just get on with it. do i need to in the that i do, you to do in the work that i do, you know , and i think that's it's know, and i think that's it's something there is something about. yes. the that you have is really important about being able to pick up the phone and talk but equally you do need someone at home who is realistic and who actually keep your feet on the ground, think about politics is what i've learned in the seven years that i've been an mp for a number of those, i've been a minister, but my husband will always say to me, but when she won't be a minister forever, everything always comes to an end at some point. and i think important that we always remember that. and i think that's why for me, being a mp as well is a way of keeping well is a good way of keeping your feet the because your feet on the ground because the people home will tell the people back home will tell what they think. and if i've

really touched by the huge amount support i've had from amount of support i've had from amount of support i've had from a how do you make a lot of them, how do you make colleagues kinder to one colleagues be kinder to one another? not just about another? it's not just about being kinder. it's about being respect it's about having respect it's about having respect . and i think we're all respect. and i think we're all we're all responsible for our own, our our own behaviour can't change the world. gloria but i think someone said to me , just think someone said to me, just be yourself . i think there's a be yourself. i think there's a lot to be said for that. but treat people in the way that you would expect to be treated. as a former chief whip, you get why campaigns rebel because you could say that the discipline overi could say that the discipline over i think well of a number years actually in your party has been difficult to instil. i mean at the moment it's housebuilding deaung at the moment it's housebuilding dealing with illegal immigration, fracking wind farms. you know the list goes on. why do you think it's hard to get discipline in your party? i think it can be hard. to get discipline in your party? i think it can be hard . any i think it can be hard. any political party to get discipline . a party is at its

discipline. a party is at its best when . it's a broad church best when. it's a broad church and. we had an amazing election result in 2019 that really demonstrated the breadth of support that we have sometimes in politics, you have to if you're a minister or a chief whip , you have to guide that whip, you have to guide that ship through the waters and make sure you bring colleagues with you. sometimes people will rebel because they're not happy with a particular. and i must admit, i've signed a couple of amendments of late one around housing because it impacts is so strongly on my constituency and say and it's an issue that i've campaigned for a long time it would take an lot to vote against the government never voted against government but sometimes by signing a rebel amendment you can get you can influence government policy. you can then talk to ministers and actually week i genuinely believe that the amendments that went down against the levelling up and regeneration bill meant that the bill come out of its

face in commons in a much better place as a result of the input of colleagues . final question is of colleagues. final question is there anything during your short tenure as chief whip that you you'd have done differently? got a look we can always i'll refer and my goodness i've reflect it on a lot of that over what happened over those those days. and i don't think this one will mean thing that i would have done differently . you know, done differently. you know, i think you you can sit here and you can reflect and think i shouldn't have been that, but you've got to move on because moving on is about doing the best. my constituents doing the for best our party and doing the best for the country . did for best our party and doing the best for the country. did you shed a tear when you know it didn't? actually. i didn't shed a tear. it was it was a strange feeling. it was was sad , i think feeling. it was was sad, i think angry . but in a

feeling. it was was sad, i think angry. but in a way, feeling. it was was sad, i think angry . but in a way, i feeling. it was was sad, i think angry. but in a way, i was relieved . and the biggest relieved. and the biggest difference was i had a free weekend afterwards when the morton i feel like we've lifted the bonnet on some of the ways our our policy works in that very turbulent period in your party when you were chief . very turbulent period in your party when you were chief. thank you.thank party when you were chief. thank you. thank you . coming up liam you. thank you. coming up liam fox . did you know margaret fox. did you know margaret thatcher? yes. she was at our wedding . at one point, it was wedding. at one point, it was hard to know who the star was . hard to know who the star was. coming up is jacob rees—mogg . coming up is jacob rees—mogg. let's talk about working from home. so in the spring of i might quibble with the word working but never mind people suddenly being at .

home and liam a big figure politics elected to be a conservative

member of parliament 1992. that is three decades ago. my goodness. is three decades ago. my goodness . what have you done to goodness. what have you done to deserve ? i always said that deserve? i always said that being in any job more than 25 years was. was too long. and i never , never really intended to never, never really intended to be still here, as it were. but you know, the funny thing is, as a lot of your viewers will know, it was 25 years comes a lot faster when you actually expected to. and i still feel that the drive to be there at the centre political debate on pubuc the centre political debate on public policy and international policy. it's not as the problems have diminished in 30 years and funnily enough a former cabinet minister virginia bottomley, said to me last night, why are you continuing at the next election ? and i said, because election? and i said, because i think that one of the problems that we have is that are that we have is that we are losing institutional memory losing our institutional memory in are in parliament. people are retiring too young. i think it's the same in government. i think it's the in the civil it's the same in the civil service, i think. but you know, if you're if you've got the experience and you can say,

well, don't try because we well, don't try that because we tried before, didn't tried it before, it didn't or, you know, sort of thing. you know, this sort of thing. i mean, i think that matters. mean, and i think that matters. and think that this idea that everybody sort of starts work later, earlier later, everyone retires earlier and expects to live longer means that our working contribution gets smaller and. i don't think in things like politics, that's really sensible. and i guess comes a little bit from my medical background when experience matters , know there's experience matters, know there's a reason why we don't make our brightest young doctors consulting us the next day. it's because they ought to learn ropes. and i think in parliament, one of the biggest differences from 30 differences i think from 30 years that people years ago is that people get promoted very early on in their political careers . i think they political careers. i think they get a real feel for how the political system works and for getting a knowledge base from which they will make the decisions. so some people are promoted too early . i think some promoted too early. i think some people i can think of people you probably too from your time in the commons can think of people who there too early who were just there too early and wasn't good for them. you know, they hadn't really matured

into and been into the role and had they been given a more time, you know, given a bit more time, you know, they had more they might have had more successful political career. so it's a lot about good man management . and, you know, in management. and, you know, in terms of how we personnel terms of how we manage personnel at westminster and in government, it's not the five star treatment as know, by the time you're elected to parliament that towering figure of your party margaret thatcher she's been deposed . your major she's been deposed. your major is your leader. did you know margaret thatcher? so i'd met a number of times when i still working as a gp . but she liked a working as a gp. but she liked a political pamphlet that i had written and i was asked to go into downing street and do a bit of speech writing. no. and again, this was before i was elected and she didn't really say very much than i ever for her. but i've got one of the best collections of what margaret thatcher said. if you're interested in having look at and i think what margaret at it. and i think what margaret thatcher a lot better thatcher say is a lot better than what most politicians say today. and i knew her then after

she stood down as leader, i was i remained close to her. so she was she was at our wedding at point. it was hard to know who the star was and. she was also at my 50th birthday party, which was only a few weeks before she died. and people were saying, you know, she's too frail to come . and obviously she was. but come. and obviously she was. but and they said we should be there for maybe 20 minutes. that's what she'll manage. but, you know, bottle of champagne later and she was back to you know as best she could at that time and her form and she certainly was a towering figure. and i think what made her from most what what made her from most politicians , i think, is her politicians, i think, is her sheer courage that she she she believed in a certain course that she thought was was right. and stuck to it. and even when the brickbats came to confound some , when the polls dropped some, when the polls dropped away , you know, we weren't away, you know, we weren't governed by focus groups in those, but i'm sure they would have been positive. but she she believed that what she was doing was right the personal

was right. and the personal heart , which i think was there heart, which i think was there a lot of the time she endured because she believed she was. right. and it's a different sort of political from the one we find ourselves in today. well, you could say that we've got a very recent example. your party in our country , someone who in our country, someone who absolutely believed they were right . she lasted 44 days. liz right. she lasted 44 days. liz truss , you also have to be truss, you also have to be competent. you also have to be right. so you don't think she was. no, i didn't. i didn't support truss and i think support liz truss and i think that, you know, when apply theory irrespective of the circumstances of the time, you're not likely to end up in a very good position . i mean, the very good position. i mean, the sorts of things that she was putting forward were perfectly reasonable propositions for an economy, for the public , were economy, for the public, were balanced where there wasn't high inflation and we were had stalled growth, but it was not right. policies for inflationary economy . your party has been economy. your party has been through a bumpy ride three prime ministers in as many months.

that wasn't the case between in the history of your party. but between 1992 and 1997, your party, through a bumpy ride of a different . are there any different. are there any parallels that you can see ? you parallels that you can see? you witnessed it as you were heading towards that landslide labour victory . do you see any victory. do you see any historical parallels today after the bumpy ride, your party's for? i do, but not with that period. i see more like the run up to 92, the 92 election. and you had a lot things i think were similar. we'd been in office a similar length of time . we had a new leader, john major , who was more popular than major, who was more popular than the party, quite a margin similar to have with rishi sunak today and the voters i think were disillusioned with the conservatives, but they hadn't decided to move to someone else. i think that came later with blair. yes and i so i feel from

talking to voters and, you know, after 30 years in a constituency, you get to know pretty much what a lot of them think. and i get the feeling this is much more like that. the that led up to the 92 election. i think i think that your point is correct that i think after 92 after black wednesday that and the public decided they simply didn't want the same government that you had decided to make a change. i don't think they have at the moment. interesting so you think the most likely scenario is conservative government with a with a with a smaller majority. i think that's not unlikely. and if you're being objective about it, the government the boundary changes is defending an even bigger in 80 but it's very hard number to lose in our political system. so i think that there is a good chance that you end up with a concept government with a smaller majority. but against that i think, you know, two years ago would we believe that

we'd be a war in europe that would have been through a pandemic that have had all this political turmoil. no, you wouldn't. you know if a week wouldn't. so, you know if a week was once a long time politics, it's now an eternity. coming up, more liam fox on his 30 year political career. a baby with a call to this neck feels like a crisis . someone who has call to this neck feels like a crisis. someone who has a cardiac arrest is , a crisis. cardiac arrest is, a crisis. it's different from the day to criticism you get in politics. coming up, is jacob rees—mogg . coming up, is jacob rees—mogg. do you have a pair of jeans or a pair? of course i did. what would i do with them .

oh now you were a gp. you had a properjob. was. please don't . properjob. was. please don't. but it's definitely a proper job. so you will have had more experience in parliament than

than most of the reality of working in the national health service and how it works . it's service and how it works. it's been a bit of a debate about if people don't turn up for their gp appointments, they should get fined. do you have any truck with argument ? i do. only with an argument? i do. only because of how difficult it would be to apply it. and the last thing we require is more bureaucracy in the nhs. i think the principle is reasonable and i think that people do sometimes abuse the service that they perceive as being free. but that's not. i think medicine is a very good . people say to me as a very good. people say to me as a, you know, you're not exactly saying nor implying, but people will say, how could you go from medicine into politics if you've had all that training and our understanding of the system ? and understanding of the system? and i think there are too i actually think there are too few people parliament with few people in parliament with who've outside. who've done jobs outside. frankly, allow people frankly, i wouldn't allow people in my own party to be conservative candidates if they hadnt conservative candidates if they hadn't done real jobs outside the idea of going from university, working inside the system and being an mp. i think

you lack intellectual nourishment. i couldn't agree more, but you've said something quite profound that you actually would stop people if you've just been you've gone to university, you've been a researcher, or you've been a researcher, or you've worked for an mp or worked a central office . that's worked a central office. that's it. should go get a real job it. you should go get a real job before you come in. well, i think if you want to govern a country, you should maybe give it the respect of doing something and having something about it and having having it . and people something about it and having havi say it . and people something about it and having havi say to it . and people something about it and having havi say to me, it . and people something about it and having havi say to me, oh, . and people something about it and having havi say to me, oh, welli people something about it and having havi say to me, oh, well ,people something about it and having havi say to me, oh, well , youle will say to me, oh, well, you know, a all that time know, being a all that time spent as a doctor and then why would you want to go into politics? i would actually think we who've done we need more people who've done those jobs and been, those real jobs and been, you know, understand bedlam know, understand what bedlam working that sort of working means. that sort of thing. and also it gives you a different prospect, too. i mean, if a baby with a cord around its neck feels like a crisis. someone who has a cardiac arrest is a crisis. it's different from the day to day criticism. you get which is an get in politics, which is an irritation . and frankly, irritation. and frankly, there are people, as as again, are some people, as as again, you recognise there are some people can't tell the

people who can't tell the difference are difference and either lives are miserable and b, they don't take tough decisions because they don't understand what a real crisis feels like . really crisis feels like. really interesting, cos i, i could, i could talk to you about expand on so many of the things that you've said. i'm sorry that we're , we're restricted on time, we're, we're restricted on time, but it's fascinating . it's but it's fascinating. it's fascinating. i just want to check about a couple of views and about whether they have changed. so you're on record of being critical of our abortion laws . in 2001 , you being critical of our abortion laws . in 2001, you said that you laws. in 2001, you said that you said party members should pray that there would be huge restriction. if not abolition, of our pro—abortion laws. have you changed your mind? no i think our laws are far too liberal in the united kingdom, and there are specific cases and the most specific case was the one that was in court last week about down's syndrome. the fact that you can abort babies with down's syndrome right up to 40 weeks, i think is absolutely

horrendous . and we need to we horrendous. and we need to we need to look at whether that's justifiable in any way, shape or form . so, you know, we live in a form. so, you know, we live in a country where that's going to be the law. so my view is we try to get it to what i regard as a much more acceptable level . much more acceptable level. looking around as other european countries, for example, on that and i think that of course, there are very difficult cases. and as somebody who, you know , and as somebody who, you know, who worked for a short time and obstetrics, you see what those are. but i think to see abortion used effectively as a mechanism of birth control is just totally unacceptable . you're doing unacceptable. you're doing anything to change the law? well, i'm looking at the down's syndrome , one in particular, of syndrome, one in particular, of course, having taken the down's syndrome bill. now with down's syndrome bill. now with down's syndrome act through parliament. i didn't want to tackle it in that piece of legislation because i thought it would have made it a very different type of bill, and the debate would have been very different debate. been a very different debate. but debate we to

but it's a debate we have to have. other thing that have. okay the other thing that i wanted to check, if you had changed your views on is that you voted against sex you voted against same sex marriage in 2013. changed your view. yeah. i mean, it's not an accepted thing that we have. and it's a debate that's behind us. right so let's go a bit, poppy , right so let's go a bit, poppy, now. so i remember this really clearly . but for people who clearly. but for people who didn't hear this, it was a big westminster sort of source of intrigue. it was like liam fox knows natalie imbruglia , knows natalie imbruglia, australian pop star, former neighbours star when she was a she was a big deal at the time when people were saying yes clean folks natalie imbruglia and she she even thanked you in the sleeve notes of her album left of the middle. how did you get to know natalie imbruglia? this is my claim to fame. almost no one else i know has been on the cover notes of a number one album, so she was a friend of mine . she worked as a producer ,

mine. she worked as a producer, and natalie was was in her care at the time and i'd never watched neighbours, so i didn't know who she was. and that's a scandal. you never watch neighbours on of one of my friends who was a massive neighbours fan was a had a little crush on natalie and brilliant. she had very good sense of humour and we knew who was going to be in a particular restaurant. one and so restaurant. one night. and so natalie and i had a table at the other part and later on the other part and later on in the evening she walked up him evening she walked up to him and started him and stuff in started to hug him and stuff in front his friends, that front of his friends, and that was it was, it was classic. he's also now a member of parliament. so you'll have to guess who that is. no, liv. no we. who was is. oh, no, liv. no we. who was it? i can't guess . no, no , no, it? i can't guess. no, no, no, no, no, no. och you still in search for natalie imbruglia? no, i've lost touch quite a while ago. she had quite a lot of problems with illness with her husband. but i do still buy one or two of a record. so she's watching me for her income . so

watching me for her income. so enjoyed that. so enjoyed . my enjoyed that. so enjoyed. my only regret is that it wasn't longer . fascinating. only regret is that it wasn't longer. fascinating. liam only regret is that it wasn't longer . fascinating. liam fox, longer. fascinating. liam fox, thank you. coming up is jacob rees—mogg. when you were a little boy , do you think. oh, little boy, do you think. oh, gosh, i just i just want my mum and that. no i'm afraid it was nanny. i wanted if nanny had a day off, i was most put out . day off, i was most put out. let's look ahead to this evening's weather. let's look ahead to this evening's weather . and the uk evening's weather. and the uk will be wet and windy in many places as increasingly mild air strikes north. here are the details. heavy rain will continue in southwest england this evening with blustery winds. a yellow rain warning is in force us. there may be some localised flooding . the rain localised flooding. the rain warning also extends across to sussex where heavy rain and strong winds are expected to continue. it'll be a very mild evening compared to recently as temperatures climb in to double figures. wet and windy across

wales tonight with gusts of 40 miles per hour around the coast . it'll be there'll be some heavy bursts of rain at times, particularly in the south. temperatures will climb across the midlands this evening with spells of rain at times. it'll be a windy end to the day, too. there's a risk of icy roads across parts of northern england this evening, but temperatures will start to climb through the night, allowing the ice to melt away. it'll stay cloudy and windy with spells of rain at times . snow will clear to the times. snow will clear to the north of scotland this evening, followed by spells of rain and strong winds. any snow on the ground will start to melt as milder pushes in. it'll be milder air pushes in. it'll be cloudy, windy and mild across northern ireland this evening. it could be a few spells of rain at times too. so milder air will sweep northwards across the country tonight, pushing away the cold and frosty weather that we've experienced in the last two weeks. that's how the weather is shaping up overnight into tomorrow morning

jacob rees—mogg we were lectured at the same time . i talk to at the same time. i talk to loads of people from different parties, but i've never had a conversation with you, so i'm really interested to do this interview because i'm hoping to break down a few of my own, perhaps prejudices about about you. you have been described and i can't find out who first said it as the honourable member for the 18th century. this suggestion being that you're somehow of the world old fashioned out of date . do you fashioned out of date. do you feel comfortable in the modern world? oh, yes . i don't feel comfortable in the modern world? oh, yes. i don't mind being called the honourable member for the 18th century. i think there's a lot to be proud of in british history, so i'm very happy with that. but there are many advantages of the modern world, which particularly we need is in the slightly cold

winter , but we can just switch winter, but we can just switch electricity on and our houses warm up. we couldn't do that in the georgian era. they had to lay get logs in and lay fires and get logs in and all these sorts of things. the modern life is much more comfortable 18th comfortable than the 18th century so i've talked to century life. so i've talked to you about my of you about my sort of preconception things, and there are of preconceptions are a number of preconceptions about you people about you, what you think people most you. i'm most get wrong about you. i'm not very good at this, actually . i don't terribly worry about people's preconceptions that what am i trying to do in politics? what you're trying to do in politics and in public life more generally is get across the arguments you think are important, make the points you think are most valid , and you think are most valid, and doing as well as you can. and doing it as well as you can. and inevitably, some people will warm to what you have to say and some people won't. and that's as it a few of the reasons why it is. a few of the reasons why you've been in the news this yeah you've been in the news this year. let's talk about working from home. so in this spring of i might quibble with the word

working, but never mind people certainly being at home. so you've got a bit of stick for when you were a minister based in the cabinet office in the spnng in the cabinet office in the spring of this year. you popped round the cards on people's desks where they weren't the civil service desks. so i look forward to seeing you in the office very soon. i might been intimidated. no, not all. it was a sorry, rude card of which you and i have both delivered thousands over the years to constituent . so when you get constituent. so when you get around saying sorry, you're out, and i called, but i call and you'll be in. that's not intimidating. i only put out three of them. it happens. we three of them. as it happens. we had freedom of information had a freedom of information request much money request saying, how much money did this campaign? did he spend on this campaign? turned us under pound . it was turned us under pound. it was making the point and i am very concerned that public services are not being delivered properly because people aren't in work. we know that from the dvla. we know that from the passport office. there was a report in

the newspapers very recently saying that some of the delays of the passport office were caused by people working from home. you need people in the office to deliver services. and i think we found there have been poor public services from people working from home. i mean, you've seen a gp working in cornwall and you see seeing people on zoom a couple of hundred miles away . this is not hundred miles away. this is not a satisfactory service for the british people who are paying the 70 years the highest taxes in 70 years and public sector to be and public sector needs to be delivering services . it delivering proper services. it needs be in work. there needs to be in work. is there a role flexible work in role for flexible work in a hybnd role for flexible work in a hybrid , perhaps? there hybrid, perhaps? there definitely is that there are some roles that are very well suhed some roles that are very well suited to working from home. so the newspaper columnist, for example , can probably do most of example, can probably do most of his or her work from home. there are some accountancy jobs that may be very well done from home, but actually providing a direct service to the public probably requires you to be in the office. i also think it's

important for people early in their careers to learn and develop and possibly early in their careers . they're not their careers. they're not earning that much money being at home isn't quite so comfortable . there's a stage in life . . there's a stage in life. people in their forties and fifties that have become relatively senior for whom it may be very nice being at home, but i don't think it works economically and delivers properly in the public sector. we're about to enter. we're in a penod we're about to enter. we're in a period of strikes, rail strike action for the coming weeks . if action for the coming weeks. if action for the coming weeks. if a worker said, come on, it's really, really difficult for me to make it into the office dunng to make it into the office during these well strikes. you'd be sympathetic. absolutely. i think look , as the leader of the think look, as the leader of the house of commons, that introduced remote sessions for the house of commons , not the house of commons, not because i wanted us to move to being a remote parliament, but because parliament had to carry on sitting . and the choice was, on sitting. and the choice was, do we have a long recess and not hold the government to account or do we do it on zoom? and i

was really keen that we should have parliament meeting and the speaker , who was a great man , speaker, who was a great man, agreed with this. and we were this was astonishing that the member for the 18th century was one of the people pushing for it. and i strongly , because it. and i strongly, because although i was then a member of the government, i still thought the government, i still thought the government, i still thought the government should be held to account. so if you can't get into work for some reason, whether it's a rail strike, the snow or a pandemic , that's snow or a pandemic, that's different. but as a matter of routine , it's second best. and routine, it's second best. and best is being in the office. i was very conscious, actually, dunng was very conscious, actually, during the pandemic in the houses of parliament that who was the cleaners were that the security guards were there and many other people . so the lowest many other people. so the lowest paid were the ones. if you thought that it was a big risk travelling which people did initially who were taking the risk, who were having to go in and the people who were rather better off, a little more

comfortable were the ones sitting at home. and some worked very well . not everybody did . very well. not everybody did. you are a man of strong faith . you are a man of strong faith. you are a man of strong faith. you are a catholic . that you are a man of strong faith. you are a catholic. that means that you are opposed to same sex marriage. it means that you are opposed to abortion in all circumstances . those are not circumstances. those are not majority views in this day and age . do you feel difficulty age. do you feel difficulty holding those views and not even your government's views? there really are sort of rows that minority views , but and i am minority views, but and i am very concerned about euthanasia, those report in the papers from canada budget going up to 10,000 a year and suggesting extending it to the mentally ill . and to it to the mentally ill. and to potentially children over the age of 12 who are considered mature enough . and this is quite mature enough. and this is quite terrifying about the lack of

concern and value for life, but equally , i'm not putting myself equally, i'm not putting myself forward as an ayatollah. i am not trying to enforce my views on a democratic country that doesn't want them . i'm going to doesn't want them. i'm going to express them. and if other people agree with me, then that's something i'm in favour of. obviously but i am not saying that my views should be the views of the conservative party, let alone that i should force them on a country that doesn't want them. do you ever get sick your conservative get sick from your conservative colleagues? of your colleagues? go some of your views? no the conservative party is very tolerant. it i actually greatly admire members of your old old party, labour party , who old old party, labour party, who managed to stick to the catholic faith in a party where that's much harder to do because certainly abortion is almost a requirement for becoming a labour mp. nowadays and it's not in the tory party. there is more tolerance for faith based views . the question about you , you

. the question about you, you growing up and you've spoken about being primarily raised by the families nanny veronica crock , you described her as crock, you described her as a formative figure . i just wonder formative figure. i just wonder , as most people have and have nannies. so when you were a little boy, do you think , gosh, little boy, do you think, gosh, i just i just want my mum and dad? no, i i'm afraid it was nanny. i wanted if nanny had a day off , i was nanny. i wanted if nanny had a day off, i was most put out. it wasn't what i thought should happen at all. and nannies do have to have days off even, sometimes weekends off . and that sometimes weekends off. and that didn't the jacob rees—mogg, didn't suit the jacob rees—mogg, age three. and four at all. she did a cookery course of a cordon bleu cookery course known as very good cook . she's actually very good cook. she's actually doing mince pies for a dinner party i'm having shortly , party i'm having shortly, really, since she's still she's looking after my children . so looking after my children. so anyway, so she's still very much around and she went on this cordon bleu cookery course and i called it the gordon blowing

cooking course in very cross terms as a little boy, because it meant she was out in the evening. and i thought she shouldn't be. but i mean, i was also, like i said , but my mother also, like i said, but my mother live very close to my parents. so was very lucky . i live very close to my parents. so was very lucky. i had so i was very lucky. i had somebody else looking after me as back to politics. you as well. back to politics. you back, liz truss for the leadership. what was the moment if there was a moment when you knew that it was all going to go wrong? there's never quite a moment like that. it just becomes obvious , as i thought, becomes obvious, as i thought, reversing all the 45 p rate was going to make it very difficult to hold things together . i to hold things together. i didn't think it would go quite as quickly as it did once we got to the house. the chief whip resigned or not resigned, then that was clearly all over and that was clearly all over and that was clearly all over and that was very much curtains . but that was very much curtains. but politics is a funny business. sometimes things look absolutely certain and 24 hours later it's all changed again. so until something has happened, it's

never definite. but those two things made it pretty likely that wouldn't go on. do you that it wouldn't go on. do you have any regrets about backing her? work , so i wish her? it didn't work, so i wish it had worked , but it didn't. it had worked, but it didn't. most of be realistic about that. are you happy on the backbench? i love the backbench . i can talk i love the backbench. i can talk to you . i haven't had somebody to you. i haven't had somebody banging on me for half an hour beforehand telling me what i'm supposed to say, what i'm not allowed to say . and i think one allowed to say. and i think one of the problems with politics is that the message is controlled in a way that people can't answer. the question . and this answer. the question. and this makes for very stilted interviews. it makes for the very aggressive tone of interviews because people have to draw the information out . and to draw the information out. and actually, if we weren't trying to be so disciplined, i think people would have a better view of politics. and dare i say it, sometimes one said, well, i don't know . or there are two don't know. or there are two sides to this argument and on balance, i'm going this way

rather than that way . but rather than that way. but there's a perfectly respectable argument the other way. i think all of that is helpful in developing a political dialogue . so you don't think about the next phase of your political journey . you don't . i mean, i'm journey. you don't. i mean, i'm really putting the same question to you that i think people look at political careers and think they're all carefully mapped out early on, but they're not really. things happen, fortuitous events arise . so fortuitous events arise. so i ended up being elected for north somerset in my home seat, which couldn't have been better for me. sort of strong me. that sort of strong influence on what i've said in parliament, what i've been interested in parliament and interested in in parliament and so now i think it's much more accidental than that. but i like being a member of parliament. i think there's not to do in think there's not one to do in the of commons and i want the house of commons and i want to doing that. so to carry on doing that. so you're standing again when you're standing again and when you're standing again and when you polling, some polling you see polling, some polling that suggests you could lose your does it faze you? your seat, does it faze you? well, i think that's all the more reason to stand again and see can turn it around. see if i can turn it around. what jacob rees—mogg do to

what does jacob rees—mogg do to relax? you chill out? do relax? how do you chill out? do you want a pair of jeans? a pair of joggers? when i bundle legs, i go in the house of commons and i go in the house of commons and i lie down on the front bench as well. what else would you do? you're funny. well. what else would you do? you're funny . do you have a pair you're funny. do you have a pair ofjeans you're funny. do you have a pair of jeans or a pickles? did of jeans or a pickles? i did what would i do with them ? what what would i do with them? what do you do for fun ? well, i mean, do you do for fun? well, i mean, i do . i enjoy everything i do i do. i enjoy everything i do that i find life is enjoyable . that i find life is enjoyable. but i've got a wife and six children. family life is fabulous. it's great fun. and children are so funny and you know, the bigger ones become more fully formed and the little ones like about. more fully formed and the little ones like about . and life is ones like about. and life is very enjoyable if you've got if it was like time to have six children. jacob rees—mogg very much enjoyed this . thank you. much enjoyed this. thank you. thank you . i'll be back next thank you. i'll be back next sunday at 6:00 with highlights from my biggest and best

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