and this is dewbs& c0 the show where and this is dewbs& co the show where we'll get into the things that have got you talking today and now yet another nhs strike , and now yet another nhs strike, ambulance strike . i'm wondering, ambulance strike. i'm wondering, i do think we're any closer to a resolution. do you feel like we're making any headway at all.7 we're we're making any headway at all? we're getting warned now. basically, don't do anything dangerous while . the ambulances dangerous while. the ambulances are on strike . goodness me. how

are on strike. goodness me. how have we fallen so low? i want your thoughts on that. and also your thoughts on that. and also you know, there's so much so many at the moment in the world of work, isn't there? particularly when it comes to just how many staff available what's the root cause that some people saying that too many people saying that too many people are retiring what do you reckon you like inching towards retirement age? are you sitting there going ? i'm going to be out there going? i'm going to be out of there quicker than a quick thing from quick land. or would you work and on because it was for the good of the economy. i want thoughts on the want your thoughts on on the ukraine wall. rishi says ukraine wall. rishi sunak's says he's to an audit of he's going to do an audit of what spending and where what we're spending and where we are . some people say hallelujah are. some people say hallelujah about people are about to. all the people are saying off bean counter, that's how you win a war by counting the pennies. what do you think to all of that? and look at this. like to be a fashion icon. so as i look got my jumper on. why? it's my night. why? because it's my last night. tonight year, quite tonight until year, quite frankly. yesterday i was asking you i want to see you . i want to you i want to see you. i want to see your living. i want to see

your christmas trees . you guys, your christmas trees. you guys, it what you did, what you do best. with , all best. he responded with, all your images. can't wait to share best. he responded with, all your iwithes. can't wait to share best. he responded with, all your iwith tonight wait to share best. he responded with, all your iwith tonight and: to share best. he responded with, all your iwith tonight and don't are best. he responded with, all your iwith tonight and don't buy those with tonight and don't buy the stuff before i go. the christmas stuff before i go. but before we get into that, but before we get into of that, let's bring ourselves speed let's bring ourselves to speed with latest headlines with tonight's latest headlines headunes. with tonight's latest headlines headlines . thanks, michelle. headlines. thanks, michelle. often bit underdressed, actually. i'll do my to best do better tomorrow. you're watching tv news, the latest headlines this hour. and as you've been hearing, thousands nurses in england, northern ireland and wales are walking out for the second time in under a week. the royal of has warned that royal of nursing has warned that actions go on for another six months unless . an agreement can months unless. an agreement can be reached. they're calling for a above inflation rise. but a 5% above inflation rise. but the government says , its demands the government says, its demands are unaffordable. the health secretary, steve barclay, says government has prioritised the nhs on pay . we have an nhs on pay. we have an independent process and we have accepted that in full . of course accepted that in full. of course that comes on top . the extra

that comes on top. the extra privatisation of the nhs last yean privatisation of the nhs last year, but we also alongside that to focus on patients. we need focus on those pandemic waiting lists, get those waiting lists and that's why we've invested extra 6.6 billion over the next two years. so we prioritised the nhs and social care in the autumn statement at a time of difficult t for the economy because recognise we need to get those things down as well. the general secretary of the rcn pat cullen has criticised the government for failing to even come to the table . i want to say come to the table. i want to say to the prime this morning, please step in now and do the decent thing on behalf of every patient and member of the public of this country and right across the united kingdom . but please the united kingdom. but please do the decent thing for the nursing staff. get round to table and start to talk me on their behalf. that's only respectful and decent thing to do . and let's bring these do. and let's bring these strikes to a by the end of this

week . pat cullen well, all that week. pat cullen well, all that as ambulance workers and paramedics are preparing to strike themselves tomorrow after minute talks between them and government failed to address the issue pay. the health secretary met union representatives this afternoon , but pay discussions afternoon, but pay discussions were off the table . instead, the were off the table. instead, the government sought reassurance his over strike cover and patient safety. at least five ambulance trusts have declared critical incidents as . they face critical incidents as. they face unprecedented pressure ahead of the walkout. gmb national secretary rachel says its members are pleading the government to do something . government to do something. well, the prime minister has backed work of the independent pay backed work of the independent pay review body pay review body, rather, as he faced questions over those nhs strikes . over those nhs strikes. appearing before a super of mps, rishi sunak defended the government's refusal to increase its offer to nurses and paramedics. he also said the best way to help the country was not increase wages but to bring

down inflation. i've acknowledged that it is difficult. it's difficult for everybody because is where it is and the best way to help them , and the best way to help them, to help everyone else in the country is for us to get a grip and reduce inflation quickly as possible. and we need to make that that we make that the decisions that we make can bring about that outcome because . if we it wrong and because. if we get it wrong and we're still dealing with high inflation time , inflation in a year's time, that's to help that's not going to help anybody. don't to see that anybody. i don't to see that i want the savings to get back to normal. why having an normal. and that's why having an independent assessed is an independent paper assessed is an important part of making those decisions . a coroner has ruled decisions. a coroner has ruled the ii decisions. a coroner has ruled the 11 victims of the shaw air disaster in 2015 were on lawfully killed . the 11 men died lawfully killed. the 11 men died after the aircraft crashed on the a27 during aerial display at the a27 during aerial display at the event in west sussex. the coroner said . the plane crash coroner said. the plane crash was a result of poorjudgement was a result of poor judgement made by one pilot when undertaking a manoeuvre, the court said. the other victims

played no part in their own deaths deaths . lastly, deaths deaths. lastly, scotland's yacht is investigating an allegation of racial abuse after the conservative bob stewart told , conservative bob stewart told, an activist to go back to bahrain . the comments were made bahrain. the comments were made dunng bahrain. the comments were made during a confrontation last week. the mp for beckenham has apologised but denies he was being racist . the met police being racist. the met police says the case was following a complaint from sayeed ahmed al wadi wadi . that's set you up to wadi wadi. that's set you up to date on tv and dub plus radio u with gb news. more now from michel in dewbs & co . michel in dewbs& co. hello. thanks for that, polly . by the thanks for that, polly. by the way, you look great just as you are polly. i'm dressed like this. it's my last day, quite frankly, and i'm getting the christmas spirit. so am you guys

at home as well. so i was asking you yesterday for pictures of your a nosy parker your trees. i'm a nosy parker and i see what's going on in your houses guys so your houses. you guys oblige, so i'll be sharing that in just a few minutes. but first my few minutes. but first up, my panel company through panel keeping me company through till 7:00 this evening with you, dominique is a political dominique samuels is a political commentator and her i'd say we've got the teacher, the author, kevin rooney . good author, kevin rooney. good evening, both of you. good evening, both of you. good evening . and you know the drill. evening. and you know the drill. so was not about here it so it was not about us here it is you at home as well. is about you at home as well. gives gbnews.uk is the email address or you can tweet me gb news. i told you yesterday . news. i told you yesterday. tonight i was watching what a new tool so i can actually share directly the screen. i just love modern technology . the things modern technology. the things that you are saying some your emails do actually make me laugh. i have to. brian you say, oh, hang on, that's not brian that. was adrian with peter ? are that. was adrian with peter? are you there? brian michel, don't travel by. don't fly. don't send it by the post. don't turn on the heating. don't ill and don't

get old happy year michelle by a good brian and i spit of positivity there to start the show i got to say talking about the nastiest race as well in just a second theresa says michelle i am a senior nursing sister and i am appalled that nurses are striking. this is disgraceful . i would never disgraceful. i would never strike , lynne says. all sector strike, lynne says. all sector workers should be to retire at the normal age please fire nurses, etc. could all do admin job. she says if they didn't want be hands on. we're talking about pensions and retirement early and a little bit in a few minutes and annette says the whole is not fit for purpose anymore. michelle it's a large bureaucratic that it's lost its and is full of outdated practises nicholas you did make me smile . michelle that was a me smile. michelle that was a christmas that many men would love to . unwrap thank you very love to. unwrap thank you very much for . love to. unwrap thank you very much for. that insight that did make me smile and i was asking

you wasn't i yesterday i want you wasn't i yesterday i want you to share your christmas trees. i want to see your living rooms. going, carl ? you rooms. what's going, carl? you make me laugh because you're taking the tree challenge seriously. you sent me a tree yesterday. also just sent yesterday. you've also just sent me version. want me an updated version. you want me an updated version. you want me your update me to use your update one instead? that instead? so we'll do that in just a second. let me you just a second. but let me you some view is goings on. some of my view is goings on. hang this is the hang on. look, this is the nightingale's there. they're not messing around with the outside of house. mary, this is of their house. mary, this is hers . she says she went for a hers. she says she went for a real one this year to help out local fail . look at that. it's local fail. look at that. it's very nice scott he my wife has made almost everything on our tree hand—knitted stars felt bad and everything is beautiful and we are very lucky, says scott yes you are. and let's have a look at derek, shall we? before i go . oh, derek, i can tell you i go. oh, derek, i can tell you something about this. when i first saw that he sent me it yesterday and i looked at that and i thought, core, blimey, that meets brute. derek but thought it was made out twigs thought it was made out of twigs and because i zoomed

and then. no, because i zoomed closer. i ladies and closer. so i did. ladies and gents they not twigs. gents and they are not twigs. they are what you as little they are what you call as little thing, light things . things i'm thing, light things. things i'm sure , there's a proper word and sure, there's a proper word and i'm sure derek will out and tell me they looked like twigs from a distance but they're not they're light things but i can't remember the actual word if you listening and not watching, you've got no idea what i'm talking about . just word talking about. just take my word for it pretty actually pretty for it is pretty actually pretty unique. i like it. yes unique. derek i like it. yes cool says dominate you get a thumbs up from us, right? keep your christmas trees coming. i am a nosey parker, so we'll be looking at some more of those. the programme and be honest, let's get to our top story straight away because really there one show in town there is one show in town tonight when comes to top tonight when it comes to top stories. and of course that is the strikes . it comes to the ongoing strikes. it comes to the ongoing strikes. it comes to the nhs nurses again today for the nhs nurses again today for the second time in less than a week . ambulance staff tomorrow week. ambulance staff tomorrow are preparing to strike again . are preparing to strike again. and now, i mean, we're getting word from health ministers, for example , not to do anything. i

example, not to do anything. i quote risk in case there's a that paramedics won't be around to take us to hospital if we get hurt. goodness gracious me . i'll hurt. goodness gracious me. i'll read that comment out didn't i think was from theresa was that at the start of the programme she said she would never go on strike. dominic are on strike. dominic where are you on this personally i'm this i personally i'm sympathetic towards the strikes in particular regard nurses . i in particular regard nurses. i think if you look at you know 42% of nurses are in a particular bind, whether earning between i think 27,000 to like £31,000 a can, that's like a significant portion. and if you actually look at what is happening . inflation the happening. inflation the traditional way we actually look at these sorts of salaries. i don't think are really applicable because of how fast costs are rising . and whilst costs are rising. and whilst i can appreciate that asking for 19, 5% above inflation , i 19, 5% above inflation, i personally would say that is unreasonable adults and that's

going to happen for government to then respond with , you know, to then respond with, you know, we're just going to follow the independent pay review body offering 4, but me doesn't actually as though the government is even trying meet them halfway and the moment whether you like it or not whether you like it or not whether you like it or not whether you agree with the strikes or not the, government strategy isn't working because the country's effectively to a standstill. i personally don't think they're doing enough better. kevin rooney, where are you ? yeah, funny enough, you? yeah, funny enough, i largely agree with dominic, but i support the nurses 100. but i want to set nine. and what does that mean? well, hold on. but i want to set aside because people sometimes some sometimes single off the nurses. nicola, they're sometimes some sometimes single off right.jrses. nicola, they're sometimes some sometimes single off right. we s. nicola, they're sometimes some sometimes single off right. we support), they're sometimes some sometimes single off right. we support them"re sometimes some sometimes single off right. we support them .'e all right. we support them. they're keen on maybe the they're not so keen on maybe the real they are anti. so real workers. they are anti. so i support the paramedics, the, the border staff on nurses and the border staff on nurses and the bottom line is what i think is becoming really interesting in politics. you a choice, right? i don't buy that nonsense of tina thatcher's old dictum there's no alternative so is interesting to me is whether or

not rishi sunak is really geared up to try to break the unions. he has a choice. i mean, this government spent hundreds of millions of pines in the war in ukraine. they spent billions of pounds on covid previous governments spent , pounds on covid previous governments spent, billions of pounds, bailing out the banks . pounds, bailing out the banks. and you're telling me that they cannot afford to pay what these workers are asking for in context of a cost of living ? i context of a cost of living? i mean, what they're offering the workers is so measly and what the nhs staff and others are asking for as opposed certainly not revolutionary in any sense. so of course the should pay them the less the 19% is what the rest full. well, two things i think they should pay them% myself when you think about cost of living crisis what that 19% would is bring them back real would do is bring them back real terms to what nurses got in 2010. at the first thing. but the second thing is we all know in the real world, when you ask for a certain pay increase, the way it generally works is that the government or whoever will

come and say, we'll you come and say, we'll give you such and and then the other such and such and then the other side to well, side come to say, well, actually, but we'll actually, no, but we'll settle for the those say for such a such the those say blah, blah think blah, blah, blah, blah and think that far better of that would be a far better of going things. i in and going about things. i in and annoyed today as well . i'm annoyed today as well. i'm heanng annoyed today as well. i'm hearing these reasons about them criminals strike criminals and certain strike action criminals and people who want to withdraw their labour. come on, get real negotiate strike a deal and destroy. you have a choice it is the is i would maybe at this differently if we weren't splashing loads of money on unloads with a point and stuff if we weren't throwing money at you if we didn't you know print during the pandemic as if it was going out of fashion if didn't do all of that, i might be like, oh yeah, we might need to tighten our belts. but it's very selectively appued belts. but it's very selectively applied this whole thing. and as who you know, it is to conservative values , you know conservative values, you know the bedrock of our society are it's public services and the people that carry out those

services and if so many of those people are saying we cannot survive we are having to go to food banks it's really really difficult for at some point got to have to say maybe people know what they're talking about and that's what's difficult for me . that's what's difficult for me. i'll come on to my thoughts in just a second, but if i can, i want just share with you something that gb news for us shared with us this afternoon. actually, let just hang on because we're just literally going to show it. so hold on. so this is yeah. so this is footage from a late i think it's a lady who sent it today nikki so she's filming out that windows this is a portsmouth hospital and know i want to share this with you because what you're looking at there if you're listening not let it's basically let me explain it's basically a huge long of ambulances basically nikki is waiting to drop off patients and this the challenge isn't it because it's not just about kind of nurses

problems, hair problems. there you know, when you look at those , it fills me sadness, actually. i don't know if i can replay. can i get it back on screen again in? case you missed it. you was out at night in your tea or something and you wasn't paying or something and you wasn't paying attention me . so this or something and you wasn't pea ng attention me . so this or something and you wasn't pea viewer ntion me . so this or something and you wasn't pea viewer video me . so this or something and you wasn't pea viewer video from . so this or something and you wasn't pea viewer video from nikki. his is a viewer video from nikki. this is outside the portsmouth hospital . and what she's saying hospital. and what she's saying is , this is her words, not mine. is, this is her words, not mine. 34 ambulances. she saying, queuing to deliver patients to a&e is her mom in law had a fall on wednesday night. the ambulance attended get this on thursday afternoon wednesday night you have your full thursday afternoon the ambulance arrived. we arrived a&e around 5 pm. and joined a queue of more than 20 ambulances. each ambulance , two paramedics, they ambulance, two paramedics, they all up their engines to keep the patients warm, etc. she says we waited in the ambulance for over hours. eventually making it to a&e at 22 one. the following morning. i mean, goodness , like,

morning. i mean, goodness, like, look at that. that is the state of the nhs. this is a broken it's broken , you know when you it's broken, you know when you look at that , think about the look at that, think about the staff there actually having to deal with all of about not being wishy washy. but think about how that might impact their mental health knowing that of how stretched things are people are actually dying en masse or you know having deaths that may have been preventable on their watch. you do have to sort of empathise with that. and i say about the mental health and actually when you look at ambulance trust, they've got one of the highest rates of sickness, the i rates of sickness, the nhs, i think it's about 9% sickness as of july figures, which are the most recent figures . and there's most recent figures. and there's two schools of thoughts with the i mean the nhs is very generous , its sick policy, you get six months full pay and a lot of the sickness is related. mental health issues . so for the health issues. so for the record, i make this transparent . the time my mom and sister

nurses one's an auxiliary nurse, one is a staff nurse and i personally want them to earn as much money as possible . but i'm much money as possible. but i'm really quite torn on this because to your point, kevin, what you're saying and i get it because it's the human response. i mean, if you said to me, do you want your mum and your sister earn almost more? sister to earn almost 20% more? of going to say, of course i'm going to say, yeah, my mum, yeah, they're my mum, the sister. do a great job. sister. they do a great job. then just absolutely. that then just absolutely. but that school if everyone school of thought, if everyone gets they've gets everything that they've asked that do to asked for, what does that do to the finances? so just the country's finances? so just to give you an example, currently review currently the pay review board of pay review of the independent pay review body, they have ward, i think body, they have a ward, i think it's pounds, which works it's 1400 pounds, which works out your earnings out depends what your earnings are, 5% ish for are, but it is about 5% ish for some people , obviously more for some people, obviously more for the lower earnings . every the lower earnings. every additional 1% on top of that. so every additional 1. and on this, let's just use in the middle. so 5% is going to cost around let's just use in the middle. so 5% is going to cost aroun d £700 5% is going to cost around £700 million per year. that's according to government statistics. you know , got to statistics. you know, got to say, i am i am smart. i'm not i'm not quick enough to be able

to calculate these different multiples. 700 million. so multiples. but 700 million. so 1% extra if you work all the different unions and what the royal asking , where do you find royal asking, where do you find that money ? michelle you that money? michelle you probably know me wee and i, probably know me a wee and i, you know i'm a left winger. of course i'm going to say a certain point, you know, if you take chart and you take a wee pie chart and you look all wealth in look at all the wealth in britain and draw a wee britain and you draw a wee you two lines about what most workers get in terms of public sector. workers for that sector. any workers for that matter. my point is that the total of that wealth is a fact of the overall wealth, new world wealth in this country. so you have is vast inequality. wealth in this country. so you have is vast inequality . well, have is vast inequality. well, what makes me smile about this country is the narrative of the politicians, of this government themselves is about equality and fairness when it's so unequal like this is a cheap shot, but it's really it's hard to it's not really it's hard to take something rishi take something like rishi sunak's sitting on 800 sunak's they sitting on 800 million paying fortune or whatever i repeat whatever, whatever. i repeat whatever, whatever. i repeat what , these workers are asking what, these workers are asking for revolution . for is not revolution. anne—marie so. michelle i just want to come to this point .

want to come to this point. there is a choice to be made and if you're a right winger and you believe free market all believe the free market and all the may come to the rest of it, you may come to your position. well, your position. we all know well, if you like it an if you don't like it an opportunity somewhere. else what i'm is that of i'm arguing for is that of course is thing. course growth is a great thing. want growth economy, but want growth in the economy, but the resources that the wealth and resources that exist country to exist in this country need to redistributed amount redistributed and a fair amount of point in poland of squeeze. this point in poland is nhs . the nhs is dissolving is nhs. the nhs is dissolving before our eyes. it's even counterproductive this government not to give our workers and nurses the money that they're looking for because year am i right? the 46th thousand vacancies required in terms of nurses and hundred thousand nurses that work this yeah thousand nurses that work this year. so last year was the worst ever for the month. the people that left nursing and also as paramedics . that left nursing and also as paramedics. my point is see if we don't this problem now and give these people a decent wage, they're going to walk . and the they're going to walk. and the problem that you have, the nhs going to get so much more worse. so have to ask the fundamental question distract . question a debate but distract. do we have a commitment to the nhs ? question mark yes or no?

nhs? question mark yes or no? well, there i'm to well, there you go. i'm going to let ponder that . many let people ponder that. many people we too people feel like we have too much of commitment the nhs, much of a commitment to the nhs, which is issue because a lot which is the issue because a lot of people are concerned about about waste, about bureaucracy and i think those are important . but i don't really ever hear the government talking about that. i mean there are savings that. i mean there are savings that can be made. one of the things, one of the things that i want to talk about, i'm going to a break and going a quick break and i'm going to attend topic because attend to this topic because i can everyone's still can see that everyone's still got to say and you guys got a lot to say and you guys are right. and in your droves about it well. kevin asks about it as well. so kevin asks about it as well. so kevin asks a ponderin about it as well. so kevin asks a ponder in the a good question. ponder in the break. we have break. do you think we do have a commitment the yes or no commitment to the yes or no when? talk about staff when? we talk about staff vacancies as well. but vacancies as well. i help but nofice vacancies as well. i help but notice there's a lot of people now what locum work now to what we call locum work is in some ways like is essentially in some ways like freelance. make it simple because what you can and on the bank agency, whatever you want to call it far outweighs what you earn on the payroll of the nhs . so when i come back i want nhs. so when i come back i want to look at that as well. do you think it's almost ethical to be

a nurse paid on an nhs a staff nurse paid on an nhs payroll then actually decide to leave the organisation and instead go back as a local for a shed, load more money ? is that shed, load more money? is that ethical? is it just common sense ethics coming into it? i don't know. tell and i'll see you know. you tell and i'll see you into .

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co me michelle dewberry keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, dominique samuels , political commentator and also a teacher and author. kevin rooney , welcome back, everybody. rooney, welcome back, everybody. welcome lots of you guys getting in touch about this nurse's topic. let me just share you what some of you are saying, alex. i think you hit the nail on the head. i suspect for a lot of people will share your sentiment. you say , michelle, if sentiment. you say, michelle, if i was a nurse or , a paramedic,

i was a nurse or, a paramedic, a paramedic, i would asking . paramedic, i would be asking. how give billions for how do we give billions for international aid and give billions to ukraine? and then essentially, think the can't essentially, i think the can't afford pay our nurses, afford to pay our nurses, paramedics, etc. i think a lot of people would be nodding their in agreement with you and boyle says the independent peer bodies decided politicians were going to 11. but nurses and workers are not. so where are they? but the mps didn't get 11. mp has got about 2.7. so if you if you want to kind of do the comparison, the peer review of i've rated high a pay rise for the nhs staff them then what the mp got which leads me to an interesting point actually because the figure come about what this 1400 pounds it is one of these independent pay review bodies and when they did this analysis and they made this recommendation a lot of the things were already considered so high inflation was factored in you know like the ukraine war etc. were known at that point in time . so i do find that a very

time. so i do find that a very interesting point because when people say the government should do more that figure was decided on independent i'm not saying it's right or it's wrong i'm just telling you that that was the figure when they came up with this let me read to with this figure. let me read to you said, because were you what said, because they were saying quid. let saying that this 1400 quid. let me direct quote me read out that direct quote this summary when they this is their summary when they presented we're aware that presented this, we're aware that the is operating within the nhs is operating within heavily constrained budget envelope. our envelope. however we believe our recommendation delivers investment staff that investment staff pay. that goes some way to reduce the risk. that pay be the reason to that pay would be the reason to leave it also protects the leave nhs. it also protects the service from additional temporary and protects temporary workforce and protects the from to patient care the risk from to patient care for the impact of increased vacancies. eleanor overstretched workforce it get up kevin it leads me nice segway the whole locum situation . look, we have locum situation. look, we have got staff shortages in the nhs . got staff shortages in the nhs. we've also got what some would say is a flourishing little trade here of going into the bank.i trade here of going into the bank . i locum whatever you want bank. i locum whatever you want to call and contract the back into the nhs for eyewatering

sums . there into the nhs for eyewatering sums. there was a report into the nhs for eyewatering sums . there was a report the sums. there was a report the other day of a doctor getting paid about five grand for a single i mean yeah . what where single i mean yeah. what where do you stand on that. thatcher's children. thatcher's children looking after number one that seems to be there there are motif. so you're telling me something five grand for a class you think can i try and contextualise to answer that question though would you take five grunts, teach a class yes. well, very good. i'm back china. but still i make my point. thatcher's the thatcher's children here's the point is if point i'm trying to is if you work in nhs in europe you work in the nhs in europe you will work in florida especially doing the work more than one person because they can't get enough to work the enough people in to work for the nhs i if you're a gp and nhs i mean, if you're a gp and your numbers are massively increased and you feel absolutely undervalued and underpaid working underpaid and your working conditions poor , what conditions are very poor, what starts happen ? people lose a starts to happen? people lose a sense of life for the ideal . the sense of life for the ideal. the nhs, they don't believe it anymore. and that sense of pubuc anymore. and that sense of public service, that sense of commitment to the nhs starts to dissolve . this is the point

dissolve. this is the point i tried to make a few minutes too. you see this nurse's strike ? to you see this nurse's strike? to me it's symptomatic of a far more profound issue. i think what's beginning to happen this is the nhs is genuinely starting to dissolve and it's not always going to be there unless you remake the commitment of young people. i mean, when i grew up where i came from, work, class, loved, west belfast, everybody loved, west belfast, everybody loved nhs. it even to this loved the nhs. it even to this day where from , but day where i come from, but people debate but you never people debate it, but you never know. under know. you're all united under where they think where i live. but they think twice a nhs twice because there's a free nhs and there's not in the south of ireland. here's the point, ireland. but here's the point, michelle. is what it michelle. the is not what it used to . and so you're young used to. and so if you're young person comin in training to be a doctor, whatever you're looking at people in that have been at how people in that have been treated start to to treated and you start to say to , gonna look after , well, i'm gonna look after number i should also to number one. i should also to your question is it ethical your question but is it ethical i completely understand why the young people, the influencer is the locums are doing what they're doing , trying to get you they're doing, trying to get you they're doing, trying to get you the maximum worth of money and all the rest of it. but what i'm trying back is , we need

trying to say back is, we need to realise, we need to remake the argument commitment the argument for commitment for pubuc an the argument for commitment for public an nhs . public service and for an nhs. just, i'm just explaining to you on screen if you're on the screen if you're watching, listening what watching, not listening what you're seeing here , like you're seeing here, like a so—called influencer basically encouraging staff, look , you encouraging staff, look, you know, long story. so if you it's you know you don't know at long shifts or whatever get yourself over to locum follow this go for some tips how to do it there's another fellow here is a payslip up on the screen basically saying to people mine's up in a smock working as a paid employee i follow follow him the locum train . i have to be honest . i train. i have to be honest. i mean, i am a business person. i am also a capitalist i've worked freelance as well , you know, freelance as well, you know, years of my career . freelance as well, you know, years of my career. i'm not against freelance, but there's something about this, dominic something this this is a national crises. it's a time of national crises. it's a time of national crisis . the nhs is national crisis. the nhs is broke , broken. i'm not being

broke, broken. i'm not being rude to the frontline staff. this is systemically flawed right now , showing you videos, right now, showing you videos, etc. so when i see people proactive simply trying to pull people off the work the payroll, shoot them into hire and in locums is a of me that thinks it's morally where do i that but i really applaud i applaud if i'm being honest because i think further proves that it's better to take your expertise take all of the money you've invested in your education because think about how much money they actually have to spend getting the education to qualify them in order to able to participate order to be able to participate in that profession and they've found a better offering. you and i on the to found a better offering. you and ion the to this and i think that if you and your skills are better in other ways then go for it. i think it further proves there is an intrinsic problem with the nhs that clearly needs solving you can't just, you know, debate and figures or talk about government spending , but about government spending, but you to look at what is you need to look at what is happening to

happening and nobody wants to work for the nhs anymore. and the reason for that, what say the reason for that, what i say is, going to leave is, well, i'm going to leave this topic that it's hugely this nhs topic that it's hugely divisive topic . you know, most divisive topic. you know, most people are a good people at the end of the day, everyone wants everyone to prosper and do well and nhs to prosper and and for the nhs to prosper and do would throw do too. i would also just throw there when it comes to do too. i would also just throw thereworking when it comes to do too. i would also just throw thereworking ,/hen it comes to do too. i would also just throw thereworking , lest it comes to do too. i would also just throw thereworking , lest we omes to do too. i would also just throw thereworking , lest we forget,o do too. i would also just throw thereworking , lest we forget, you nhs working, lest we forget, you know public sector workers actually get fantastic pensions as well. we're talking about 20 odd% in some cases when you work as a nurse, that's huge often compared to the private , you get compared to the private, you get very generous sick pay and stuff like that. and let's not forget you essentially have a job for life as many people right now that are staring down the barrel of would love of redundancy that would love a job for life. so i don't know. i found it a tough one. i also know that my mama, such as an auxiliary, she was out with some friends who the day they was in a bar there was an advert for a cleaner . they could earn more. cleaner. they could earn more. these auxiliary nurses could earn more, essentially cleaning

, the pope, the pope, the pope. toilets than caring for people in, the hospital. and that's why it really isn't . anyway, i'm it really isn't. anyway, i'm going to have some of your thoughts as well on that in a few minutes. but for now, let's about pensions, we? about pensions, shall we? pensioners been pensioners we've just been speaking workforce, labour speaking about workforce, labour force. shortage force. there's a shortage everywhere was in they can't seem stuff. one of seem to get any stuff. one of the reasons now being blamed for this apparently is early retirements more than half a retirements. more than half a million people apparently left the market, the pandemic, the labour market, the pandemic, many of them, of course, are on long term sickness. others are older and apparently will likely never come back. how surprised about this? if you pay everyone stay at home, you've shut down the entire nation and then figure out if people want to say home. who's surprised home. i mean, who's surprised about . it'sjust about that? so many. it's just insane what you insane to me. like what you expect. we're talking about expect. and we're talking about people that are aged. i think the report says between 50 to 64 years old if they've they've said most of these probably well off if they've got money you know they've worked all the life got the money not to work

anymore more power to them. i don't think the i feel like in this country with these sorts of reports we like to it like we like to attribute blame to or certain groups rather than looking at the wider issue for years . we've not invested in years. we've not invested in skills or young people in this country. instead relied on importing cheap foreign labour. so now we're in a situation where we've got an population, we've an unskilled working population that haven't been invested in. in my opinion, it's almost like a hamster wheel of we need, more immigration to offset of these issues and i'm going to be honest, i don't really know what the immediate solution is , just honestly. solution is, just honestly. well, yeah i have to say not because a lot of people will say it's been fixed by now. dominic so you're not alone in that? kevin i think first all, that kevin i think first of all, that report is trying to say report when it is trying to say this is going to stoke inflation, it's damaging growth, i the number one issue is i think the number one issue is

you should have a proper plan for growth, i still for growth, which i still haven't this haven't seen from this government, but that's by the by the be if another day the the to be if another day the answer the question is give answer to the question is give people a reason stay. if people a reason to stay. if they're so worried and concerned about people early retirement. give reason to they don't give them a reason to they don't need at the point about these well—off people even in that fund some of them are like that i so many teachers just i know so many teachers just left early retirement left to an early retirement they'll take an early retirement because they came in the job they and think the they loved and they think the job terrible . the morale is job is terrible. the morale is very low , that they're really very low, that they're really worried about their pension condition and so forth. condition and so on, so forth. and my punch on the stress of the job. and so my point is, if you the conditions people to you the conditions for people to their employment, then you more less solve the problem and the big $6 million question in britain see all time. britain is a see all the time. a lot of people very in their lot of people are very in their piece but there are piece of work but there are millions of people who not millions of people who are not so address that issue and you solve the problem. hm is that case if you're not, if you're not happy at you'll rushing not happy at you'll be rushing to out the door, as say. to get out the door, as i say. i mean i reiterate my point is

while you no, of while you say no, lots of teachers that retired early, i would say they probably got would say that they probably got very sector very decent public sector pensions is why they probably said, well, it's going to be that decent if they're not working all the years to earn that pension. well, thank god the unions fought to them. a good sector pension is good public sector pension is actually , you know, they really actually, you know, they really are. when you start comparing them to how funded, which is direct from the taxpayer a, b to how the percentages in terms of employer i can employer contribution, i can tell you when comes to tell you when it comes to pensions, of the lowest pensions, one of the lowest is one of lowest europe one of the lowest in europe while you tell me would while they go you tell me would you who do you agree with? i'm going have some of going to have some of your thoughts richard thoughts here. richard says, michel, 65 the michel, i think 65 is the correct age call it a day. correct age to call it a day. we've our and with we've done our bit, and with contributed our fair contributed more than our fair share care . i think that's how share care. i think that's how you say, you know, says michel, a public service employees would accept retirement their age, 68, then their salaries should go up. i have got squeeze, paul, and i'm going to paul a go again, says paul . well, 50% is again, says paul. well, 50% is

work in 5 hours a week saying nhs shouldn't fight for a decent living. oh, goodness me, paula , living. oh, goodness me, paula, where do i even begin? first say i don't work 5 hours a week. secondly my mum and nhs sorry i am i'm and sister nhs nurses. i them to get the best deal possible . i don't know what part possible. i don't know what part of that you missed anyway, got to take a quick break. when i come back, i want to talk to you about ukraine apparently parliament. we've got no money. it's but we it's crap nurses, etc, but we seem have a monumental, seem to have a monumental, massive when it comes massive monetary when it comes to things like ukraine which should sunak is going to do a bit of audit of what we're spending some say good on him. other say. that's other people say. well that's how guess don't fight how that guess you don't fight war counting the pennies war by counting the pennies who's right. i'll see you .

in two. hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co me michelle dewberry

with you right through till 7:00 tonight. dominic samuels is me, the political commentator and also alongside us to the teacher and the author, kevin rooney. good evening back, everyone. you know what? we're talked about things not massively things that are not massively beats won't so let's beats i won't waste so let's let's a bit of christmas going on shall we, pete? look at this this is lovely pace . the wife is this is lovely pace. the wife is in full swing, creating chocolate bouquets for family and friends . christmas as pete and friends. christmas as pete and friends. christmas as pete and wolverhampton . i love those and wolverhampton. i love those . what's not to love about a chocolate book? absolutely. love this is maureen. chocolate book? absolutely. love this is maureen . oh, look, that this is maureen. oh, look, that was what she said in yesterday. i like it. cow says you look very festive tonight here's is our tree with dorothy the cat having a lovely snow was i like it has jack's christmas tree very nice aren't they? what's this one? i hope you like our tree in our snow scene. michelle karen, these 80 year old pixies belong to his mum . that's karen belong to his mum. that's karen and gary in i'll show you one as

well, because i think it's lovely . i well, because i think it's lovely. i do. look at well, because i think it's lovely . i do. look at that lovely. i do. look at that little . that's what clare sent little. that's what clare sent me last night. hundred year old cottage she . oh jana you're from cottage she. oh jana you're from wholesale. i'll get you on as well. this janet. so we'll look at that. look at the festivities if you're listening, not you thinking, what on earth is going on? just shining some on? we're just shining some christmas because i can christmas spirit. because i can tell now at well, it is tell you now at well, it is quite a dull place for many at the moment . quite a dull place for many at the moment. it so let's quite a dull place for many at the moment . it so let's get quite a dull place for many at the moment. it so let's get some christmas cheer wherever we can. that's say right ? the that's what i say right? the prime minister reportedly prime minister is reportedly asking an assessment what asking an assessment of what some people are calling an audit, quite frankly of how the war in ukraine is going what difference a difference british supplies a make and people make and some people are basically hang on a second you being counter don't look at the pennies as a war to win all people are saying thank goodness finally a common rather finally a common sense rather than opening the window and than just opening the window and taking load out quite taking a load of money out quite frankly it's doing. frankly and not what it's doing. finally taking account finally someone taking account of dominique were you. of stuff. dominique were you. i think this is necessary, but i don't necessarily think that

we're going to suddenly have clarity. take a step back , say, clarity. take a step back, say, wait a minute, you know , we're wait a minute, you know, we're in a cost of living crisis. crisis stuff. and the planes strike left right and centre because they can't afford live. and we are sending 2.3 billion in aid . ukraine second biggest in aid. ukraine second biggest donor and the thing is it's happening in the usa as well people are saying, hey wait a minute, i think we actually need an audit to find out where our money is going. republicans narrowly lost a vote recently to really see what the over 60 billion in funding is actually being put to. and it's a fact that the us actually don't know where all this money is going the pentagon senior advisor even there were concerns that some of there were concerns that some of the weapons that the sending was sent to ukraine was actually being sold on the black market because many of the troops actually don't know how to use them. so this isn't a conspiracy theory. we to know where the money dianne says

money is going. dianne says michelle is very disappointing way that you speak about ukraine. you are resentment towards . lots of towards us support. lots of brits like me have support that ukraine refugees in our we have given we want to support ukraine because innocent people have been slaughtered on our two steps those who do not die. steps and those who do not die. freeze, please. she says stop stoking. resent rent. diana, i'm very sorry that you feel that way. i absolutely wouldn't start. any resentment or hatred towards any that absolutely needs shelter and help from this terrible situation . and what i'm terrible situation. and what i'm pondenng terrible situation. and what i'm pondering tonight is whether or not there's a common sense approach being used it approach being used when it comes to finance and the way comes to our finance and the way that are being over that they are being sent over ukraine. do you ukraine. kevin, where do you stand . she is being kind to stand. she is being kind to a technocrat bureaucrat in. the kids is shallow politics. it's pathetic. full stop. now i don't particularly like boris johnson. the rac , but let me tell you why the rac, but let me tell you why i would respect johnson. boris johnson at the war in ukraine. and he turned around. he said

that, actually, here's a people's freedom been taken away by russia. here's a country self—determination being taken away by an aggressor. this is a seminal moment. away by an aggressor. this is a seminal moment . and what he did seminal moment. and what he did was he threw kitchen sink was he threw the kitchen sink it. whether you like it. now, whether you like him or not i with him not i agree with him politically, agree with politically, i don't agree with him most things. politically, i don't agree with him the most things. politically, i don't agree with him the fact most things. politically, i don't agree with him the fact thatt things. politically, i don't agree with him the fact that he ings. politically, i don't agree with him the fact that he took i respect the fact that he took stand on that. at the end of the day you don't get it your spreadsheets assessment spreadsheets and data assessment ruled on you at your data ruled on you looked at your data and your spreadsheet said that's the if you believe in something if you have a commitment to something like did and like some people freedom ukraine. people do to freedom of ukraine. you pack in halfway through because you money. because it's costing you money. you know, it's like straight out of school of like about of the school of like about economic freedom, a cost benefit analysis . cost benefit analysis. a cost benefit analysis. a cost benefit analysis . all those values i was analysis. all those values i was ideology. i be talking to the sorry that's just nonsense in any war you have to talk and know you've been taught their approach a nonsense just like on looking at this logical level. of course you can to partake in cost benefit analysis . you're

cost benefit analysis. you're throwing billions on the country and you factually don't know where all of that. okay, so we'd be very likely to come on the difference between also your so—called logical and cost benefit analysis, it's an approach i show. this is called politics. and what you do is you through the kitchen sink. if you believe on if you believe a country's freedom, it's been taken away . a totalitarian taken away. a totalitarian dictatorship . it tried to expand dictatorship. it tried to expand itself across it. then you make a stand. and i don't politically with certain approach as of nehru and boris johnson . but i nehru and boris johnson. but i do respect the fact he's got a better politics than the shallow being continental of this fellow. so i don't agree. i think the boris's approach to ukraine i he's been radicalised personally i don't think he's clearly i think that he's using ukraine as an attempt to sort of salvage his mod reputation personally . i salvage his mod reputation personally. i think salvage his mod reputation personally . i think that salvage his mod reputation personally. i think that is disgusting . he seems more disgusting. he seems more concerned with ukraine. and look, i completely what is

happening it's a wall, but it's not the first wall and it certainly be the last as people dying, being bombed all over the world right now, ukraine isn't the only country in the world thatis the only country in the world that is being let's get realistic , michelle. ukraine is realistic, michelle. ukraine is used being used as a proxy by, the west to fight russia . now, the west to fight russia. now, whether or not you agree with the west is very much just as response noble for those deaths as as as russia is, in my opinion . now, i'll give you opinion. now, i'll give you another example of , a shallow another example of, a shallow politics. well, i'll tell you who else going to walk away from the screw over the unionist in the screw over the unionist in the north of ireland. comes the screw over the unionist in th

people have a spreadsheet mentality in 1939, we want to have country right now, let alone nhs that is gordon is also applauded as a false equivalence. well historical on this channel. on this channel everybody we have all sides of the story you what i'm going to get the festival back you know everyone else might not be in the zone, but i am i'm in the houday the zone, but i am i'm in the holiday mode, claire says. i, michelle look at my nutcracker inspired christmas tree. where is that ? it's coming out. it's is that? it's coming out. it's coming up . hold your horses. coming up. hold your horses. everyone there you go. nutcracker inspired tree. that's me. that's a christmas tree. i have to say . all i am blending have to say. all i am blending into the background is this is trevor in surrey. where's trevor is like a very nice also i have to i do remember at the start i had like i thought was a twig christmas tree and it wasn't. vince, you're very helpful you've messaged in and said it was a fibre optic tree. thanks for that vince . this is ed's

for that vince. this is ed's tree in kitty . oh, you've had tree in kitty. oh, you've had me. stop this one, kitty . you me. stop this one, kitty. you say i always spend christmas alone and i don't have a tree decorations , gifts. however, decorations, gifts. however, what i do have is five babies. so here a picture of them. they are my everything says . oh, are my everything says. oh, bless you don't want people to be on their own at christmas i hope that whatever you doing i hope that whatever you doing i hope that whatever you doing i hope that you do manage to have a good time. let's face it, this year has been quite challenging it for people . right. so it for many people. right. so i'm take quick break i'm going to take a quick break when come back. i to when we come back. i want to continue christmas continue a bit of christmas festivity. what's your favourite christmas everybody ? i christmas song, everybody? i want to talk about that and i want to talk about that and i want words as want to talk about words as well. i'd say, well, well. so i'd say, well, a bit more of christmas stuff . more of your christmas stuff. personally, i'd like to say i've got bit more wine in, but no, got a bit more wine in, but no, i'll so i'm glad i'll take my hand. so i'm glad you all. a you coming. it's all. take a quick break. come back. see you coming. it's all. take a quicintoeak. come back. see you coming. it's all. take a quicinto some come back. see you coming. it's all. take a quicinto some onome back. see you coming. it's all. take a quicinto some of your back. see you coming. it's all. take a quicinto some of your responses. you into some of your responses. some of your christmas stuff and some christmas thoughts some of my christmas thoughts too anywhere .

at that. welcome back to dewbs& co. at that. welcome back to dewbs& c0. with at that. welcome back to dewbs& co. with me, michelle, my last show of the everybody . lots of show of the everybody. lots of you getting in contact with lots of your responses. kevin rooney and dominic samuels still keeping me company and so 7:00 tonight but let's look at some of your thoughts shall we carol says michelle, you should blame this government for the treatment , the care workers. treatment, the care workers. that's why there's a queue of ambulances, there's no beds to them. southampton does them. to tanya southampton does not have a queue . ambulances. my not have a queue. ambulances. my mum was in for over a month with no staffing issues. are we talking a national problem here, michelle, or a trust by trust problem ? well, i know that that problem? well, i know that that is the thing, isn't it? problem? well, i know that that is the thing, isn't it ? is it is the thing, isn't it? is it how big are the problems, by the way? because a lot of people do positive nhs stories at the moment. the ambulance is turning up on you on time and all the rest of it. keep your thoughts

coming in. i want to talk to you about christmas songs because . about christmas songs because. rishi sunak basically says he likes to and wants a little bit of michael . i don't really think of michael. i don't really think i do. i'm not into michael buble. dominic samuels, your favourite christmas song is under the mistletoe by justin . i under the mistletoe by justin. i like that. obviously everyone's favourite, mariah carey all i want for christmas . oh, i'll want for christmas. oh, i'll tell you. i'll tell you . it's tell you. i'll tell you. it's gross and carry on coming me to give you three number one for this is what the problem with the man is verse one has to be a man always has be a female. come on then want him silent? simple. oh, yeah, that's nice . actually, oh, yeah, that's nice. actually, i think my two. i think fairy tale of new york. yeah. i pulled cima. i got a lot of shimmer guy just at a hospital. he's not well, so he's gb news vr get well, so he's gb news vr get well soon everyone's a gb news you by the way original lyrics on that song and then my mother and father god rastaman both passed i've got a very sore spot for bing crosby and i'm dreaming of a white christmas. oh,

lovely. yeah i've just got an email from clare. she says, michelle, you've just mentioned my michelle, you've just mentioned my inspired , but you my nutcracker inspired, but you didn't the picture up. you didn't put the picture up. you say your little girl is really upset. she's staying up to watch it. so my producer needs listen to me and get it back my system so that i can put it back on the screen for you. because as soon as i hit, i hit share . it's as i hit, i hit share. it's moved on. so if anyone in my ear is listening to me can i get the ineed is listening to me can i get the i need the nutcracker . a tree i need the nutcracker. a tree from clare . it was a nutcracker from clare. it was a nutcracker inspired christmas . i from clare. it was a nutcracker inspired christmas. i did read out, but the picture didn't show up. so my guys are going to get into your moment into a little. it's your moment fame, isn't it? it's your moment to shine so get one to shine so i'll get that one back up. took her amendments to shine. i look at this. me shine. i look at this. let me just give a nod. kind just give you a nod. kind of get this look that glorious this up. look at that glorious nativity has knitted . nativity everyone has knitted. you got to shepherds mary , you got to shepherds mary, joseph, baby jesus sheep and the three wise men. what do you of that? a spot on a lovely heated by music by michel's mom on my .

by music by michel's mom on my. you're your mum? yeah out to my mom shout out to my mom. i don't want to share produces please i've only got a couple of minutes so i do want that note cracker tree back on who's one maureen let let me say i think i've just done maureen sobbing. i've just done maureen sobbing. i we've done that we've done it. we can handle. look at your jumper michelle as we're waiting which it's a great which is like it's a great channel and it's a great jumper how so. that amazing. yeah, how so. that is amazing. yeah, it a jumper . how so. that is amazing. yeah, it a jumper. i'm it is a great jumper. i'm looking for this not crack a tree . i don't want to disappoint tree. i don't want to disappoint the little girl i don't know what my producers are doing. i'm really it back really trying to get it back like pop maybe it's all like pop mass. maybe it's all right well it's right tree the as well it's we're trying best i've just we're trying our best i've just been producers are been told my producers are trying best got a trying their best we've got a new so if i can't get it new system so if i can't get it for tonight, i will get it for you i promise . so, you tomorrow, i promise. so, yeah. your little girls yeah. get your little girls again tomorrow. sorry again tomorrow. i'm very sorry about that. that is all i've time for. this is my last year of the year. i do want to take a second say thank you very much. thank you for watching us. thank

for listening us. thank you for listening to us. thank you for listening to us. thank you for you know , we're trying for us. you know, we're trying something new, something different here at gb news. and let's just say we've struggled times, especially with some of the campaigns against . but times, especially with some of the campaigns against. but i'm really grateful to you all for taking your time to watch, to and support a thank you for all of that this year. thank you to my panel tonight, please have yourself a wonderful christmas . yourself a wonderful christmas. so sorry about that. not crack a tree, i promise, i will show you it tomorrow . nigel farage is up it tomorrow. nigel farage is up next. have a wonderful christmas, everybody . have christmas, everybody. have a happy new year and i'll see you in nigel good evening. what in 23. nigel good evening. what have you got for us ? good have you got for us? good evening . have a great christmas evening. have a great christmas and a very break. well, it's the second day of a big national disaster , like, big, important disaster, like, big, important operations being cancelled. waiting lists getting even longer than it does , asking for longer than it does, asking for too much, but the government offering it now . is rishi being offering it now. is rishi being raised the bill is our big debate tonight. i will also give you my response to that round a

judgement that came yesterday all of that coming up in just a few minutes but first let's get the all important weather . hello the all important weather. hello there. i'm hurst and welcome to our latest broadcast from the met office this sunny spells for tuesday blustery showers and overall feeling fresher monday and that's a sign of things to come . the next few days, the jet come. the next few days, the jet stream close, the uk bringing in further weather systems but milder, always near the south, colder air near the northern parts, the colder air sinking a little southwards across little further southwards across the into the the uk as we head into the christmas weekend for the rest of tuesday, dry for much of england and wales though later run will see showers moving in and become even more frequently head into the early hours blustery showers continuing across scotland, northern ireland perhaps turning more ireland as perhaps turning more persistent into the early hours here . so overall quite cloudy here. so overall quite cloudy nights come breezy so temperatures holding up around five or six degrees, perhaps under any clearer. five or six degrees, perhaps under any clearer . a touch of under any clearer. a touch of frost, southern parts , scotland, frost, southern parts, scotland, northern england . so a cloudy, northern england. so a cloudy, wet start to wednesday morning

of rain sweeping its way south—east with brighter skies following across much of england and wales . following across much of england and wales. but northern england, northern and scotland northern ireland and scotland holding to cloudy skies . holding on to cloudy skies. outbreaks showery rain outbreaks of showery rain through day still fairly through the day still fairly blustery winds further south. temperatures in the sunshine reach around 11 celsius. but for most it will be between seven and nine. so feeling little fresh, but not too bad for time of year three, four and so evening dry across england, wales and initially showers across scotland and northern ireland. but later , as we head ireland. but later, as we head into the early hours thick of cloud, outbreaks rain move cloud, outbreaks of rain move back in the atlantic. some back in from the atlantic. some of heavy times. of this could be heavy at times. so overall , a lot of cloud so overall, a lot of cloud around never a frost. three tonight for most of us, temperatures holding up around mid high figures. so it means mid to high figures. so it means a cloudy start to thursday outbreaks of rain across central and northern parts of the uk. but through the day it should lift and break little to allow a few glimmers of sunshine. head of further rain trying to move from the south—west. colder air also moving in across scotland

and that tries to push in further across scotland and into northern ireland. northern england the next days, england the next few days, turning colder .

good evening with the nurses are on strike . they want an awful on strike. they want an awful lot of money 19. but i'm asking in is rishi being raised the bill with what the government is offering? because i'm not sure that they are. i'll give you my response to both judgement. yes they do. but says the rwanda dealis they do. but says the rwanda deal is legal. let's find out. i'll give you my view as to whether it's actually ever going happen. joining me on talking pints, katie waissel , she was a pints, katie waissel, she was a star on x factor and that runs a charity for those that left high and dry reality