good evening at 6 pm. welcome to dewbs& co. with me emily carver now. well we ever hear the end of brexit. new polling shows more people are in favour of rejoining the eu than ever before. that comes at the same time the british chambers of commerce has had three quarters of businesses, haven't seen any benefit from brexit. they want

to rethink . perhaps it's only a to rethink. perhaps it's only a matter of time until we go back to the eu with our tail between our legs and rejoin the single market and customs union. then there have been more allegations of corruption in the honest system, particularly when it comes peerages . should we comes to peerages. should we change the way they're dished out scrap the lot them? out or to scrap the lot of them? i to get your thoughts i also want to get your thoughts on discrimination . why, on positive discrimination. why, you may ask? well, a cambridge academic has said that the reputation of female academics is being tarnished as a result. am i wrong to think that the best person for the job should always be the person chosen for the job? regardless of their skin, colour, gender or whatever else? finally, is that okay to be nasty if you happen to be left wing? jeremy clarkson has of course, taken a huge amount of course, taken a huge amount of heat over his comments in the sun. but to the left, get away with saying much nastier things . remember brand made . remember when jo brand made that joke about throwing battery acid at a certain politic ? all acid at a certain politic? all of that to come tonight on dewbs

& co. of that to come tonight on dewbs & c0. with of that to come tonight on dewbs & co. with me, emily carver. first, let's get your latest news headlines . first, let's get your latest news headlines. emily thank you. i'm bethany elsey with your news from from the gb newsroom. ambulance workers from the union unison have announced they will stage two further days of strike action in a dispute over pay . action in a dispute over pay. thousands of staff from five ambulance services in england will walk out on the 11th and 23rd of january. it will affect london, yorkshire, the north—west, north—east and south—west. the industrial action this week has already disrupted services with south central ambulance declaring a critical incident and saying patient safety could be at risk . while the bit of pay dispute between nurses, ambulance workers and the government is ramping up pressure on already stretched hospitals . union stretched hospitals. union leaders say the health secretary's refusal to discuss pay secretary's refusal to discuss pay has raised the prospect of

further strikes next month. but the education secretary, gillian keegan , says they must respect keegan, says they must respect the independent pay review body. you cannot have an independent pay you cannot have an independent pay review process which takes the politics out of pay and then have politicians intervene in that process. not only does it blow the process up and destroy the process , but it also means the process, but it also means what happens in future years, you know, is this going to be politicians now doing the. it's really important. it's been done by governments of different colours. the independent pay review process has been used pretty successful fully, and that's what we want to continue will face. england will rise will face. and england will rise by 5.9% in march. the government set the cap at a level well below inflation, with the transport secretary saying the intervention will help reduce the impact on passengers. it comes as rail workers get ready for more strike action with rmt members in scotland walking out on christmas eve . until tuesday on christmas eve. until tuesday morning , air travel is also set morning, air travel is also set to be affected , with around a

to be affected, with around a quarter of a million passengers being warned of delays as border force staff strike from tomorrow. travel experts simon calder says the situation won't improve any time soon. i'm afraid if you're on the rails, possibly even in the skies, then you could face serious problems . i've never seen the trains in such disarray . there is not such disarray. there is not going to be any improvement, can you believe, until the 9th of january ? highways, workers in january? highways, workers in london and southeast england are also on strike until christmas day . the also on strike until christmas day. the public and commercial services unions acknowledge the action will likely inconvenience travellers, but it's blaming the government for making a below inflation pay offer . further inflation pay offer. further action is planned for next week and in the new year. unless a deal can be reached . and some deal can be reached. and some news just in. the home office says it's deported 42 albanian migrants back home, which it said had no right to be in the uk. the government has come

under increasing pressure to prevent migrants attempting to cross the english channel from france. the home office says some of those involved arrived illegally via small boats and others had been convicted of supplying class a drugs . the supplying class a drugs. the chancellor is being urged to introduce a pricing watchdog to crack down on profiteering retailers . in crack down on profiteering retailers. in an open crack down on profiteering retailers . in an open letter to retailers. in an open letter to jeremy hunt, mps warn a fall in wholesale petrol and diesel pnces wholesale petrol and diesel prices aren't being passed on to motorists. it comes as the rac announced the average price of a litre of petrol is currently around 150 $0.03. that's seven pe more than this time last yeah pe more than this time last year. while diesel is up $0.27 at 276. the mp say how it costs the founder of fare fuel uk should be the new pump watch commissioner. he told gb news retailers are taking advantage of drivers , supermarkets by of drivers, supermarkets by direct from the refinery by through the wholesaler and that sort of thing. so they're making huge profits on drivers and that

that 15 to 20 pay equates to something like 7 t 0 £10 per something like 7 to £10 per driver every time a driver comes into a focal . the retailer is into a focal. the retailer is bringing his hands in delight. but oh, he's another bringing his hands in delight. but oh, he's anothe r £10 worth but oh, he's another £10 worth of profit . a murder of profit. a murder investigation is underway after one of three people stabbed in birmingham died from their injuries. two men and a woman were attacked in the hands with area in the early hours of this morning. a 24 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder and attempted murder. been arrested on suspicion of murder and attempted murder . the murder and attempted murder. the prime minister has appointed a new ethics adviser. the chairman of historic england, sir laurie magnus , will replace lord geidt, magnus, will replace lord geidt, who quit under boris johnson in june. hisjob who quit under boris johnson in june. his job will be to advise mr. sunak on whether ministers are hoping that code of conduct will be . europe today on tv, will be. europe today on tv, online, imdb plus radio. this is gb news. now let's get back to .

emily thank you very much. welcome back to dewbs& co. with me, emily carvell with you until seven. let me introduce my panel . we have lord daniel moylan here with us this evening. conservative life peer in the house of lords and aram bustani on my left, who is the founder of novara media . and now i want of novara media. and now i want to get all your thoughts throughout the show. we're going to get all your thoughts th|be;hout the show. we're going to get all your thoughts th|be discussing how. we're going to get all your thoughts th|be discussing brexit.e're going to get all your thoughts th|be discussing brexit. do going to get all your thoughts th|be discussing brexit. do you 1g to be discussing brexit. do you think it's time for a rethink or do you perhaps think that the government has messed it up and they're to blame for not making they're to blame for not making the it ? this comes, of the most of it? this comes, of course, after the british chamber of commerce said chamber of commerce has said that its that three quarters of its businesses have seen no benefit from brexit. do you believe them? do you think perhaps the pandemic has something to do with that and that brexit is merely used as some kind merely being used as some kind of kind of scapegoat ? or do of some kind of scapegoat? or do you perhaps we need to you think perhaps we need to have little rethink when it have a little rethink when it comes our trade dealings with comes to our trade dealings with the let me know

the european union? let me know what think. touch on what you think. get in touch on vaiews@gbnews.uk or on twitter at ggb . news now notes . daniel. at ggb. news now notes. daniel. hmm? what do you think? brexit? do you think that the government has made a bit of a mess of it? well, brexit was a big constitutional change where we transferred responsibility for our laws from the european union back to our own democratically elected house of commons in parliament. and that's happened . that's actually happened now what policies the 23 years now? well, whatever the beginning of 2022 years ago now that that policy that that change means governments are free and parliaments free to choose the laws they want to make. and that's according to how they're elected . and sometimes they're elected. and sometimes they're going to do really brilliant things with those laws and sometimes they do things that are not brilliant . and are not that brilliant. and sometimes you'll have a prime minister party like minister from a good party like the conservatives. and sometimes you could have had jeremy

corbyn. different corbyn. you'll get different policies different policies and you get different disagreements about what those policies and some policies should be and some people like them and some people will like them and some people will like them and some people won't. so the idea that brexit is a whole package, a whole economic package, it's setting direction . all of setting a direction. all of that's wrong. british that's been wrong. british chamber commerce industry chamber of commerce and industry has against brexit has campaigned against brexit day day out , has campaigned against brexit day day out, right the has campaigned against brexit day day out , right the way day in, day out, right the way back to 2016 they did to oust one of their leaders, did they not? who had spoken in favour of brexit. they did, and they've carried on campaigning against it. is another it. and this is just another part of propaganda war. part of their propaganda war. there many companies in this there are many companies in this country exported country who have exported outside the they've exported outside the eu. they've exported to america, they've exported to other countries around the world. they've had they haven't been of the single market, been part of the single market, but they've successfully exported before left the exported before we left the european union and since they show it can be done. and i think the british chamber of commerce should be tying up it successful exporting members with those who are struggling . i'm saying body are struggling. i'm saying body them up and actually saying you can learn from each and do can learn from each other and do something and practical

something good and practical instead up this instead of keeping up this relentless campaign of gloom and decline ism which they've been at now for is it, six at now for what is it, six years? oh, and do you think that's fair? do you think this is part of a propaganda war from the chambers of the british chambers of commerce, to talk commerce, trying to talk down our a propaganda war is our country, a propaganda war is perhaps overstatement.| perhaps an overstatement. i i would agree that clearly they've had a political position on this for a period of time. yes, in their defence, they would say that's represent that's because they represent their a certain their members have a certain set of but quickly on of views on this. but quickly on what daniel said regards to what daniel said in regards to sometimes you'll good and what daniel said in regards to som politicians. ll good and what daniel said in regards to som politicians. but good and what daniel said in regards to som politicians. but the good and what daniel said in regards to som politicians. but the pointind bad politicians. but the point is is not is sovereignty is not westminster. with brexit, what i think has been exposed to an extraordinary extent is just how poor political class is . poor our political class is. because unlike since the period really since since we joined in the early 1970s, there is no longer an excuse. there is no longer an excuse. there is no longer an excuse. there is no longer a bogeyman. we can't do trade. we can't do immigration policy . we can't do public policy. we can't do public ownership. we can't do all these things you want because we're tied big organisation tied up in this big organisation that's gone on the spotlight that's now gone on the spotlight instead is on the government and

the opposition and most people actually think they're not particularly good at solving problems. and i think that's correct. i think there's some truth to that. i'm not sure why, if you believe that be the if you believe that to be the case, want to forward case, you'd want to go forward with national and with national ization and putting more power in the hands of all useless politicians. different. them be different. consider them to be a different politicians, different outcomes what do outcomes, presumably. what do you make of the fact that new polling shows that more people than ever before would like to see us give it all up and actually go back to the european union? tails between our legs and rejoin the customs union and single market. i haven't seen that polling. i've seen polling that polling. i've seen polling that says that a majority of people who now think was people who now think it was a bad and i think that bad decision. and i think that partly changes in partly reflects changes in demography. i don't think it's very real. i haven't seen i haven't seen people a great surge in support for rejoining, which is a very different thing . it's one thing to say, i regret divorcing my wife. it's a different thing to say, i want

to get back and you know, we're going to live together and get married again. it's a it's a big, very tricky, two very different things. but but i think it's partly matter of think it's partly a matter of demography, i also think demography, but i also think you have to be realistic about the decision us. rejoin the decision for us. rejoin the european union, ever european union, if that ever came about, that decision is not only made in britain , that only made in britain, that decision made by the 27 eu decision is made by the 27 eu states. they are the only people who can agree and they have to agree unanimously a new agree unanimously that a new member can join all we can member state can join all we can do is vote to apply and we have a long history before when i was a long history before when i was a child, before i was a child, we've been turned down for joining the european union. more often than we've been allowed in and so i don't think that just because we've somehow because we've we think somehow we're god's gift to the european union, you know, we're going to vote want to rejoin. and vote that we want to rejoin. and they're to that's they're going to say, that's tremendous. necessarily. tremendous. no, not necessarily. and what would actually have and what would we actually have to if we reapply to accept if we were to reapply 7 to accept if we were to reapply ? well, i mean, i think this will happen. but if we were, i don't know. because because the european union, of course, we'd have to join the euro. but the

european union is evolving and changing. what changing. of course. and what we'd accept at the time we'd have to accept at the time when we a decision, when we made such a decision, which think might be decades which i think might be decades down anyway, what we'd down the road anyway, what we'd have accept very, very have to accept very, very different and but are right, different and but you are right, fundamentally, we'd be going we'd to go with our we'd be voting to go with our tail between our legs. that's the phrase you used right at the outset. and i don't think the british people are going to vote ever to humanity ever going to vote humanity themselves don't themselves that way. i don't i don't so either. but our don't think so either. but our own bit confused by own i'm a bit confused by labour's stance on this. can you enlighten me? you know, you have, people within have, you know, people within the keir starmer have, you know, people within the confusing keir starmer have, you know, people within the confusing insofar' starmer have, you know, people within the confusing insofar as armer have, you know, people within the confusing insofar as trustr it's confusing insofar as trust goes. let's say. keir starmer of course. well known for leaving the corbyn government or resigning from his position, as i believe , shadow immigration i believe, shadow immigration minister at the time , because he minister at the time, because he was so against brexit, he then campaigned for a second referendum or a confirmatory referendum or a confirmatory referendum or a confirmatory referendum or whatever he called it at the time. and now he's saying no chance of any renegotiation then we don't want to join the single market, the

customs union don't want freedom of movement. what's going on there? well, i think the obvious explanation for me is that prior to 2019, he said things, we had a position which was politically expedient for him within the party. yes, his ambition has been to be the party leader and now his ambition is to be the prime minister. and so we have an injection of realism. and of course, in 2016, 400 seats voted to he's fully aware that to leave. he's fully aware that if wants to prime minister if he wants to be prime minister with majority, he can't a with a majority, he can't back a second referendum. i find second referendum. what i find interesting is once he's in power, i think he would. power, i don't think he would. i don't think he would . i mean, he don't think he would. i mean, he become very unpopular very quickly. i don't he would quickly. i don't think he would reverse the reverse has reverse on this the reverse has already been done but already been done and but i think the big problem for labour is the fact now he's massively overcompensating onto the previous position . he's now in previous position. he's now in many respects , more pro—brexit many respects, more pro—brexit than a certain wing of the conservative party. this is a wing of the conservative party which wants a customs union or single market access, and he's saying absolutely not. brexit has no impact on the sort of

economic circumstances britain confronts right now, which i don't think anybody thinks, whether positive or whether you're positive or negative brexit, clearly negative around brexit, clearly it's a variable . so i think it's a variable. so i think that's the big problem for labour now is the single market and the customs union stuff is not the broader problem with our political establishment or our politicians while many of politicians that while many of them have accepted the result, at least as they say , are they at least as they say, are they in the right frame of mind to actively try and make the best of it ? no, no . simple as that. of it? no, no. simple as that. no, simple as that. no politics. fairly clearly and clearly not. well, i don't know whether you've got to ask them all. i mean, i don't and i come from very different perspectives on the world. and we in great danger of agreeing a bit too much the excitement in this much for the excitement in this show. i think it's not just a question of changing politicians. it's also a question and i don't mean question of and i don't mean change in government because obviously we a conservative obviously we want a conservative government that's the right thing country. thing for the country. but but our processes , our lawmaking our processes, our lawmaking processes are all very weak as well. our civil service doesn't

work number ten's work properly. number ten's relationship to the rest of the cabinet doesn't work properly anymore . a lot of this was anymore. a lot of this was wrecked by tony blair and gordon brown quite deliberately. and then a new way of working hasn't been put back together. so i think a of thought needs to think a lot of thought needs to go into those things a bit boring, say that. i know, but there a very important there is a it's very important how make decisions is very how you make decisions is very important getting good decisions out of the process . and we don't out of the process. and we don't do that very well. now if we're going to have too much agreement, i'm going to go to some of our viewers and see what they're has said, they're thinking. alan has said, and going up on and i'm going to get it up on the screen. it's coming. it's coming. alan says, what ? brexit coming. alan says, what? brexit three years of covid nonsense . three years of covid nonsense. that's all we've had. and i think that's kind of true. could it be that brexit is being used as a scapegoat by who were as a scapegoat by some who were never of brexit to never supportive of brexit to begin with ? paul echoes that . he begin with? paul echoes that. he says that brexit hasn't had a chance to work because of the pandemic. darren says the benefit of brexit isn't monetary anyway. the benefit is having

our laws , our own laws and our laws, our own laws and borders under our control. well, that's a bit of a joke, isn't it? our borders have never been more porous, it seems. yeah but you see, there's a difference, isn't there, between making decisions and who makes the decisions and who makes the decisions for you and implementing the decisions . and implementing the decisions. and if you live on an island and the coast is and the sea is very narrow, then you're going to be exposed to something. we were very good stopping working very good at stopping working with the french, at stopping people coming through the tunnel, through the trains , on tunnel, through the trains, on the the lorries . the roads, in the lorries. that's sort of been built out. and what's is that and so what's happened is that these traffickers , these these people traffickers, these sort know, these travel sort of, you know, these travel agents is what they are legal travel agents charging high fees for people to get on unsafe boats . these people moved moved boats. these people moved moved to the sea crossing. and it's very much more difficult there because you can't just build a wall and keep people out and then say, drop them in the sea . then say, drop them in the sea. if they if they if their boat capsizes . so it is more it is

capsizes. so it is more it is more difficult. i'm encouraged to see some people at least have been returned today to albania . been returned today to albania. some of them are not were not illegal immigrants as such. they were people who finished a prison sentence here and were being deported. yes. well, some progress on that front may be being made , although not being made, although i'm not sure. small change so sure. but a very small change so far . i sure. but a very small change so far. i mean, just in terms of going back to brexit, what would you personally like to see happen? well, i think in the immediate term , one thing you immediate term, one thing you can do is vote in small and medium sized businesses being hammered and their worst sort of. well, i'm not sure. lord lord, lord moulton, one of than i will. but there were moves really to harmonisation around vat . and i think right now you vat. and i think right now you could say actually we want the idea 10% as a short to medium term measure, six months, 12 months, because there are business on the high street is not being smashed. and i think that's bare minimum can that's the bare minimum we can do. look, we could do that do. and look, we could do that inside eu as well. we did it

inside the eu as well. we did it under the brown government after the financial crisis in two thousand and seven eight. but that's kind of thing we're that's the kind of thing we're actually away from actually we can move away from the consensus on. the european consensus on. you know, one is public know, another one is public ownership aid. there ownership and stay aid. there are around state aid in are rules around state aid in the union which the the european union which tie the hands states, which we hands of member states, which we no subject. that's no longer subject. yes, that's very true. and that's positive for, you people on my side for, you know, people on my side of of political pitch who of the of political pitch who believe public ownership . believe in public ownership. right. well, we've got some more views coming in and they're quite strong, actually . betty quite strong, actually. betty says, would rather eat a frog says, i would rather eat a frog than rejoin the eu . i think than rejoin the eu. i think that's what a lot of people watching will probably think. also, be bit also, it would be a bit embarrassing, it, also, it would be a bit embarrassing, it , know embarrassing, wouldn't it, know that our politicians haven't been able to make the most of it as they promised us, and so we go back with our begging bowl or whatever you'd like to call it, and then finally marc says, great to leave and never want to return this imbalance from our view is up. as former view, is coming up. as former members of the honours committee claim they came onto under claim they came onto the under pressure pass certain pressure to pass certain appointments. is appointments. we're asking is

the honest system still fit for purpose? stay tuned for that .

yes. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, emily carver with me until seven. my lovely panel, lord daniel moylan, conservative life peer in the house of lords and aram bustani, who is the founder of novara media . now founder of novara media. now you've been getting in touch to give me your view on brexit. it seems like the overwhelming number of you are in support of brexit and you would rather eat a frog than rejoin the european union. at least that's what betty said. anyway, now we're going to be moving on to something quite different. members of the government honours told honours committee have told a channel 4 investigation they came under pressure to pass certain or rewards, certain appointments or rewards, particularly those for tory donors . with controversy donors. with controversy surrounding boris johnson's

resignation honours list is the system fit for purpose or should it be overhauled now ? do you it be overhauled now? do you think that perhaps there is a danger that we decide to overhaul everything? the honours system also the way that we appoint peerages for very little benefit ? well, we've already had benefit? well, we've already had an overhaul . we had an overhaul an overhaul. we had an overhaul under blair. the responsibility for appointing people to the house of lords and to the honours system, because the two are really separate in a way . if are really separate in a way. if you get an obe that's a reward for something you've done and you get to where you get the heads off your name and you get a medal and so on. if you are put into the house of lords nowadays, there are very few people into the of people put into the house of lords as an honour. you're put in to do a job nowadays. you do, you do work house of you do work in the house of lords. more to expected lords. that's more to expected to do so. but we overhauled it under so it was taken under blair so it was all taken away from prime minister away from the prime minister partly into the hands of partly and put into the hands of

these independent advisers and these independent advisers and these committees and so on who are these people? these people who are accountable to nobody under a lot of brexit was we should make things more democratic. it should go back to being a prime ministerial response ability with his own honour secretariat , which he honour secretariat, which he always used to have his own honour secretariat, and then he or she is accountable for the decisions they make and they can be judged for the decisions they make rather than dispersing it around these these these these trumped up sort of independent persons who only whinge when their advice isn't taken out and all they getting a bit this honours committee well they why should they necessarily have more of a right than the prime minister himself, more of a right than the prime minister himself , for example, minister himself, for example, to choose who gets these types of honours? well, i'm a unicameral list . i don't think unicameral list. i don't think we should have a second chamber. i think a leftover from the i think it's a leftover from the 19th century. anything to replace you don't need it replace it. you don't need it because right what does it because right now, what does it do ? it suggests amendments, but do? it suggests amendments, but it can't generate new

legislation . it can't really set legislation. it can't really set the political agenda . i don't the political agenda. i don't really see the argument for it. and that applies, by the way, to the labour proposal. i like the labour proposal compared to the status quite purely because there's them. i think there's fewer of them. i think there's fewer of them. i think the we believe it's the fact we have, i believe it's the fact we have, i believe it's the largest legislative the second largest legislative legislature in the world, the largest in china. the fact that the law is outside of an autocracy is here in the uk, i think is an embarrassment, frankly, for 21st century britain. now, lindsay hoyle has said that an elected second chamber, which is one option being proposed , of course, would being proposed, of course, would lead to confusion over where ultimate power lies . to me, it ultimate power lies. to me, it would just make things more complicated. you have much more turmoil. you wouldn't know who was going, what law was going to be passed when at least now our elected officials have more of a say within the commons. look there's a strong argument for having an elected upper chamber. i don't agree with that one about having a single chamber because i think nowadays the demands mps are great that

demands on mps are so great that they they have very little time for actually focusing on legislation they spend so legislation when they spend so much time now, almost a social workers their constituents workers for their constituents and to and fro and and running to and fro and i don't think they have enough time to do the detailed legislative just legislative work, which just means government was just rammed things would never things through that would never get eyes. get properly scrutiny eyes. that's the the house of that's the job. the house of lords of you lords does. but of course you can have you. there's an argument for an elected upper house but it need need to house but it need you need to understand what is want understand what is it you want it to if you want it to it to do. and if you want it to carry on scrutinising legislation. but now with the authority having been authority of having been directly lindsay directly elected then lindsay hoyle is right. you are going to get a sort clash. now you can get a sort of clash. now you can work this out. countries work this out. other countries have got elected chambers. have got to elected chambers. they work it out and they have to work it out and pass something. i mean, it definitely slows lawmaking definitely slows down lawmaking as see in the united states, as you see in the united states, and means you get an awful and it means you get an awful lot of compromises. pork belly, pork barrel, sorry type politics and as people trade things and so on as people trade things off. but that's the price you pay you off. but that's the price you pay you can make the system pay and you can make the system work. but it is a dramatic change and it definitely undermines the authority of the

house of the elected house of commons , which, of course commons, which, of course lindsay as speaker is lindsay hoyle is as speaker is meant to be there to defend anyway. so i suppose, is anyway. so that's, i suppose, is his excuse getting involved his excuse for getting involved in the gordon brown thing in this. the gordon brown thing is , i thought was hopeless. he is, i thought was hopeless. he didn't it to be didn't want it to be a legislature, he just to legislature, he just wanted to be a devolution and talking shop . couldn't the point of . i couldn't see the point of having something like as having something like that as far the are concerned far as the numbers are concerned . know, we used to say that . you know, we used to say that the was the largest employer the nhs was the largest employer in world the soviet in the world after the soviet red army and people on the left thought that was upsetting. so now they say, oh well, you know, it's the largest legislature outside china. this is embarrassing. the fact is it's a part time role. so you can do it full time if you want. you can do it less. there's no salary. you don't draw any money from it unless you're actually there doing the work. so if you if you if you stop going or you do something else, you're free to do that. but then you have no say in what's going on because you're not there to involve it.

i think , you know, in big i think, you know, in big companies, they talk about the number of staff as full time equivalents because they they add the of full time add up the number of full time staff and then the number of part and they make them part timers, and they make them into equivalent. if into full time equivalent. if you in the house you might have 800 in the house of but you have of lords, but you probably have about time equivalents about 400 full time equivalents and i think you need at least 400 in order to handle the volume of legislation that comes through. remember, we don't have staff, we don't have secretaries , we don't have researchers. we have to do everything ourselves. so if working on a bill, so if you're working on a bill, you have to do it all yourself and takes time. you and it takes a lot time. you can't be on every bill at the same time. i think it's a lot of ordinary people watching the house is that there's house of lords is that there's always bias always political bias or accusations of political bias. for example, when it came to brexit, they accusation was that the lords was trying to thwart brexit over and over and over again. i feel is actually. they still are, yes. still so what do we do about that ? oh, look, i we do about that? oh, look, i say get rid of them. well, if

we've got the system, we have . we've got the system, we have. the thing is, we avoid political appointees completely . well, i appointees completely. well, i would agree with some of the things lord daniel said in regards to, for instance, changes brought about by blair. i think that's far too. it goes both so now we have, for both ways. so now we have, for instance, prime minister who instance, a prime minister who has much oversight with has far too much oversight with regards to senior civil servants, specifically special adviser you say adviser us. and then let you say when comes to accountability, when it comes to accountability, what legislators what matters legislators that they're should they're not where they should be. i we really are quango britain we are dependent on the environment body britain and we really need to tackle this because people quickly all because these people quickly all they have they have they have great power and no accountability and they think they're the bee's knees. we're independent, we're marvellous. they really do. i don't like the term no, they're term independent. no, they're not . it comes not independent. it comes unaccountable. believe unaccountable. it's i believe they independent they can possibly be independent . everyone has their biases. do they know what it's like? the independent pay review bodies. now with the sector, it now with the public sector, it covers the public sector. covers 45% of the public sector. there's them. right. and there's nine of them. right. and even you think we should have

even if you think we should have independent peer review bodies, what nine why can just what do we nine why can we just have then you've got have one? and then you've got the is determined the the chair is determined by the prime minister the relevant prime minister or the relevant secretary state. believe, secretary of state. i believe, and relevant secretary and the relevant secretary of state all other state determines all the other people review panels. people on these review panels. and just think britain and i just think only in britain would get so much would you get so much bureaucracy does so little bureaucracy that does so little andifs bureaucracy that does so little and it's so ineffective and it's just remarkable. you've hit time after . so after time in public life. so it's very interesting. if you look the figures, tony blair look at the figures, tony blair created 374 life peerages a second to i mean, first to david cameron who was 245. and then they were told by the lords speaker's committee that they needed to stop creating so many and there was a sort of one in, two out or that doesn't apply anymore . the prime ministers anymore. the prime ministers don't have to applied that recently. theresa may was the last one to do so . remember, last one to do so. remember, tony blair removed . i mean, the tony blair removed. i mean, the house of lords used to have over a thousand members. tony blair removed the hereditary peers, all bar 92 of them and then

filled it all up with his mates . that's why he was creating so well. this is the thing. this is the allegation of corruption. no, no, no. i didn't say that. i didn't say that there was an investigation of potentially selling peerages into tony blair. was cleared. i'm not blair. he was cleared. i'm not suggesting it's the suggesting corruption. it's the corruption involves selling an office that's a crime. but how to sell a peerage is a crime in this country. and i'm not suggesting that that is happening a or any prime minister has done that , but it's minister has done that, but it's a question of putting in, you know, filling up people who are like minded with you, which is why we have such a left wing house of at the moment. house of lords at the moment. people think house people probably think the house of of crusty old of lords is full of crusty old tories right wingers right tories and right wingers right wing headbangers like me believe me, i am an in a deep me, you know, i am an in a deep minority in the house of lords. the by all these that in the way some legislation is scrutinised or not. let's see what people are saying at home, gordon says. bang on bass, dani , who needs bang on bass, dani, who needs any of the fair play? i think people are, you know, we want

some legislation agreement with you our. yes that's good to heat you our. yes that's good to heanl you our. yes that's good to hear. i mean, it's nice. you want some law daniel is saying is you know, it's interesting because i don't dispute there are committed talented are some very committed talented legislators house of legislators in the house of lords, far lords, but i think there are far too many bad carriers, far too many bad carriers. i'm sorry. our graphics aren't going onto the evening, but the screen this evening, but i can them out anyway. adam can read them out anyway. adam says of lords should can read them out anyway. adam sayscrapped. of lords should can read them out anyway. adam say scrapped. joel lords should can read them out anyway. adam say scrapped. joel says s should can read them out anyway. adam say scrapped. joel says unelected be scrapped. joel says unelected house of lords we have an elected house of commons and we wouldn't that wouldn't want to replicate that , martin says. i think the house of lords should go as it costs us a fortune and they serve little purpose, especially when getting paid to fall asleep. have you ever fallen asleep at the wheel? i haven't actually fallen in public . i have fallen asleep in public. i have been reading pictures of you. no i haven't fallen asleep. i'm glad to say . it i haven't fallen asleep. i'm glad to say. it is i haven't fallen asleep. i'm glad to say . it is actually glad to say. it is actually genuinely very , very genuinely very, very interesting. but remember, you know, you don't get paid if you don't turn up and i think it's unfair to say there are a lot of

bad carriers. it's a life appointment that i think is something that you need to take into account. and people, as they get older , some of them they get older, some of them stop going. and many of them now retire. since 2014, there's been an option to retire from the house of lords, which people take that you couldn't take before that you couldn't actually you couldn't actually retire, you couldn't leave an and you might think, well, maybe they should be appointed for a period of a term of, say, 15 years or something like that, not not just five years. i think the longer term and that might some sense, and that might make some sense, of when we had of course, when we had hereditary they to hereditary peers, they used to be young people in the be a lot of young people in the house of lords. that's all gone. i don't mind the idea of hereditary way. hereditary peers in a way. i think i'd prefer them to political appointments because at perhaps is at least perhaps the idea is that have sense of duty that they have a sense of duty and the political appointments don't have that. maybe that's a bit of a controversial and they have some interesting backgrounds as well, very interesting backgrounds . backgrounds as well, very interesting backgrounds. i'd like see genuine experts of like to see genuine experts of all walks of life filling up

those seats. would you ? i think those seats. would you? i think so. i don't think there's any argument for having genuine experts like paul filling up the house of lords. if you were if you were to have a bunch of experts appointed by a committee of experts , which is where of experts, which is where you're going, i would i would say straightaway, no, i want an elected upper house. let us at least, if we're going to do that, democracy, a democratic house is a much better and i think much better case for that than for a bunch of a bunch of independent experts appointing a bunch of independent experts accountable to nobody . and i accountable to nobody. and i think your point, we're going to have to move from peerages on the honour system coming up, does positive discrimination work? a cambridge professor says the reputation of women academic could be risked by fears haven't been promoted on merit . we'll been promoted on merit. we'll discuss that after the break. stay tuned .

yes, well, lots of you been getting in touch about what we were talking about to begin with. brexit. has it been a benefit? is it time for a rethink or are people just using it as a scapegoat to attack because of other things that are going on in economy? not going on in our economy? not least happened over least what happened over the course the pandemic and the course of the pandemic and the bill suffering as bill that we're suffering as a result. kerry says the honour system was never fit for purpose . and says the law not fit for purpose. if it allows tom watson a seat . so there you go. people a seat. so there you go. people who have particular views on particular politicians that make it into the house of lords and that may sway your opinion on it. i also think because we were discussing the break, but it has a lot to do with brexit and how the lords were seen to attempt again and again to thwart it. so we're going to be moving to on women in a way. should we favour women in a way. should we favour women or people from ethnic minorities? when making appointments hiring people,

appointments or hiring people, it's practise euphemistic it's a practise euphemistic early called positive discrimination . and one academic discrimination. and one academic has called it into question. the philosophy professor at cambridge university says the reputations of women academics are tainted . because nobody can are tainted. because nobody can be sure if they attained their position on merit . our own path, position on merit. our own path, positive discrimination . just positive discrimination. just discrimination, isn't it? it's also illegal. and that's why i don't quite seems to happen all the time. positive discrimination in this country is illegal under the 2010 equality act. so the idea that people get a job or a position on the basis of their skin colour or gender is a criminal offence. you can't do it. what you dois offence. you can't do it. what you do is something called you can do is something called positive when positive action, which is when you two candidates of you have two candidates of broadly same merit, same cv. broadly the same merit, same cv. and course you rarely get and of course you rarely get that in life, but you have a bunch of things going the way of one candidate, a bunch of things going is kind of going away. the other is kind of a up.and going away. the other is kind of a up. and our media, we a toss up. and of our media, we have people that recruit, have 30 people that we recruit, people that many times people i've seen that many times in, that set of circumstances then yes , you can choose then yes, you can choose a person of colour or a woman, but

actually not hang on. let me stop you there, because if i was in a parallel universe, i appued in a parallel universe, i applied to novara media as a young, budding socialist. yes, i appued young, budding socialist. yes, i applied to novara media and i get to the final two and the other candidate happens to be a black woman. so may as well just with withdraw my application, it doesn't seem fair, does it? no, it's there's a whole range of things that look at. so things that we look at. for so instance, you might have two great candidates and the older one younger one is better than the younger one. but you think, well, this one's younger, that this one's years younger, that this or same. you or broadly the same. but you know what? can work with know what? we can work with them. by time this them. and by the time this person age is to know person is that age is to know somebody because they're the same, the calibre same, they're the same calibre of positive of candidates. that's positive action. i really action. that's legal. i really don't positive action. don't like positive action. i that's it seems to be the that's legal. it seems to be the same thing, a different name, doesit same thing, a different name, does it not? well way aaron does it not? well the way aaron describes it, it does. i think, are things you can say. and i think i'm delighted to let aaron's he's thinking in this in novara media good finding novara media book good finding finally of finally got a whole load of stuff navami just stuff about navami just recruitment that i recruitment policies that i don't should have don't think he should have he should thought carefully.

don't think he should have he shotld thought carefully. don't think he should have he shotl want thought carefully. don't think he should have he shotl want to hought carefully. don't think he should have he shotl want to i)ught carefully. don't think he should have he shotl want to i want carefully. don't think he should have he shotl want to i want to refully. don't think he should have he shotl want to i want to saylly. and i want to i want to say there positive actions. you there are positive actions. you can take and courage. i mean, you want to encourage a broad range and you range people to apply and you want encourage people want to encourage people who feel is big problem in feel this is the big problem in this country, feel that this country, who feel that job's not for me. i'll never get it. but you want to encourage them to apply. remember, that isn't just people who are in protected categories under the 2010 equality act, the people with the most unpaid positive views of themselves are actually white working class boys , and white working class boys, and they should be encouraged to apply for jobs as well because they're the ones who actually rule themselves out from the start . so i'm happy you have start. so i'm happy you have positive action, which opens things makes clear that things up, makes it clear that these matter , that these things don't matter, that that thing is that the important thing is merit and ability and the capacity if in the role, capacity if in the role, capacity for growth and development, aaron says, is development, as aaron says, is important , i development, as aaron says, is important, i you're right. important, i think you're right. i know what this cambridge i don't know what this cambridge professor is thinking of, particularly if you ever did have genuine positive discrimination, which is, as aaron says, not allowed at the

moment, then i think absolutely you would have a case where people would say you'd got the job, even though you weren't the best i and that's best candidate. i and that's that's what they'd say that has a danger. and we trade at the moment employers trade along a very fine line not doing positive discrimination , but positive discrimination, but doing positive action . and of doing positive action. and of course, if they trip over that line, they will damage the people, their pointing, because people, their pointing, because people will say that , well, yes, people will say that, well, yes, apart from that, they get into trouble with the law. but i have a little quibble with the idea that this is banned under the equality positive equality act positive discriminate because there discriminate issue because there are stories. there are stories after stories. there was from last week in was only one from last week in the one yorkshire the in one of the yorkshire local about, a white man local papers about, a white man who turned from the who was turned down from the police i think because police force. i think because they hiring women and they were only hiring women and ethnic minorities at that point to reflect the make up of the area or whatever justification they gave. surely that is simply reverse racism and discrimination. well, there was a case in 2018 where it's

precisely this a white man appued precisely this a white man applied to be a police officer and he was rejected and there were several people from minorities who weren't. and i believe the best of my recollection, he won. it is a criminal offence. so if you are recruiting at gb news and somebody says to their, you know, you've got your ceo and they we're going to they say we're only going to hire woman for this job, i'm hire a woman for this job, i'm going hire brown person for going to hire a brown person for this or person be this job or a white person be anything is illegal. and if anything that is illegal. and if the interviewed the people interviewed get a sniff that and, they believe sniff of that and, they believe they've been discriminated against basis their against on the basis of their skin they can skin colour, age, etc. they can take and like i say, take that up. and like i say, that's why happened in that's precisely why happened in 2018. officer had his 2018. a police officer had his day in court and he was found to be in right or a person with be in the right or a person with a desire to be a police officer. he didn't become a police officer. them but you also think would you say that businesses run by private have run by private individuals have some moral duty to be ethnic and demographically representative of the area they're in? we don't go into black run businesses and say all you need to hire some

white people. i think all employers and people in authority have a responsibility to be fair. it's a it's a function of distributive justice that they should treat the people who work for them or who want to work for them on a fair and equal basis on own merits that have to do with things that are relevant to the job and i think we're all agreed that some things are relevant . if you are things are relevant. if you are hiring carpenters, you want people who are skilled in carpentry. you want people of a certain level of education. other things aren't relevant like your skin colour, and for the vast majority of jobs and i think nearly all jobs now, it doesn't matter what it shouldn't matter what sex you are, gender orientation , things like that. i orientation, things like that. i think we've got a very clunky law. i think equality act law. i think the equality act 2010 catastrophic 2010 is a pretty catastrophic fit piece of legislation . but fit piece of legislation. but for implementing that principle , the principle is absolutely right that people in authority need to behave in a just and fair fashion towards those whom they're employing . i don't think they're employing. i don't think that means necessarily that

small businesses need to go round individually, reflecting their local composition . but the their local composition. but the police force have a particular interaction with the community, which obviously dominates their thinking anyway , the police are thinking anyway, the police are totally woke up about their work on it in every department. really. i'm not there. i'm not speaking up. i don't know if you've looked at application forms for the civil service, for example, but there's about five pages tick exercise is over pages of tick exercise is over whether you have a disability, what your sexual orientation is, what, your ethnicity is, what, what your ethnicity is, where your parents came from. all of this. but there is a box. i don't wish to say on those two things. you should be the only things. you should be the only thing that matters. i know that's flawed in that's obviously flawed too, in this really don't this country, but i really don't like idea. and also , again, like this idea. and also, again, the equality act is simply not true because i being true because i remember being a in sick form at school and there were so many different schemes available for women only or ethnic minorities only, graduate schemes or whatever else. i can't get my head around how that's allowed . and what about

that's allowed. and what about white working class boys who always down at the bottom when it comes to, you know, educational outcomes and not? i totally agree i think working class should be included in that, think if you're an that, too. i think if you're an organisation middle organisation full of middle class think and you're class people, i think and you're saying, well look how can we be more diverse in organisation? i think belongs think absolutely class belongs alongside race and gender, but just diversity a real just finally, diversity a real strength for businesses because if you're if you're an organisation or business and you're 20 guys you're trying you're 20 guys and you're trying to to the public to sell stuff to the public at large, it's not to hurt to large, it's not going to hurt to have a couple women work for have a couple of women work for because 50% of the public is women. so i don't think we should throw the baby out with the bathwater. i think the principle of having diverse organisations is it generally helps to helps those organisations to this it's just a bolt this idea that it's just a bolt on as a of sort of public on as a part of sort of public relations. i that's a relations. i think that's a shame actually it does shame because actually it does benefit know, benefit businesses. i know, but it's funny because of it's quite funny because some of these corporates have these these big corporates have these great schemes and then great diversity schemes and then they get, you they just happen to get, you know, educated asian know, a privately educated asian woman who's had every advantage

in life available to them as parents who were doctors or what not. and there's no class diversity there . it just so diversity there. it just so happens that they are a different and it's very kind. and then that's reflected in their business and they can tick that box anyway. we're going to have to move on to our final topic coming up to round out the show. we're asking a simple question who's now still in politics, the left or the right? stay tuned for that. we'll have two very different views on that .

welcome back to dewbs & co with welcome back to dewbs& co with me, emily carver. i'm with you until seven and with my panel, of course, lowdown, moylan, conservative life, peer in the house of lords and aram bustani, who is the founder of novara media. we've got some very good views this evening. it's been on by of you at home that

by some of you at home that we're getting a real balance on all of our topics. so that's good stuff. that's what gb news is anyway. going is here for anyway. we're going to on to a bit of to be moving on to a bit of another touchy subject, perhaps i know what you think about this, is it in our this, but is it okay in our society be nasty if you society to be nasty if you happen be wing? this, of happen to be left wing? this, of course , after jeremy course, comes after jeremy clarkson huge amount of clarkson got a huge amount of heat for that son column he wrote about meghan markle. there were calls for him to prison for hate , for his satirical if hate crime, for his satirical if rather vulgar and offensive article that he wrote. but in the past, joe brandt example suggested throwing battery acid at, i believe , nigel farage, who at, i believe, nigel farage, who will be coming up later and nothing really . even will be coming up later and nothing really. even bbc radio four didn't even apologise because they just said you know as part of provocative humour that's the point of the show. is it the point of a sun article? it's also b sometimes offensive in order to make a point. what do you think , sharon? do you do you think, sharon? do you think the left? the left are just nastier and do you think

they get away big nasty? no they get away with big nasty? no i don't think. now we've come off an article which is off an article here which is written somebody said, written by somebody that said, i think the largest of think it's the largest number of complaints ipso, which complaints ever to ipso, which is press regulator from here is the press regulator from here in this there's 20,000 in this country. there's 20,000 complaints as who complains complaints such as who complains to , who complain to ipso , to ipso, who complain to ipso, who even knows the address of ipso who's never heard of it. so these are left wing campaign groups writing in 2000 and thousand letters , 23. that's the thousand letters, 23. that's the most ever, which suggests that you're right to say that not many people do generally campaign. is campaign. but the point is comparative to episodes in comparative to other episodes in past this has drawn reply from people . i think i can explain people. i think i can explain why rather than saying, you know , this group of people about angela rayner saying that tory scum, i think was something that was rude. i was very deep offended by that comment. but this a substantial this is there's a substantial difference between saying this group are bad and group of people are bad and i think targeting think saying targeting individual and outlawing a particular course of action which you just said with regards to jo brand and nigel farage too, i think that's

qualitatively different actually. i it's a lot actually. i think it's a lot more violent and hateful. and then battery no, then secondly, battery acid. no, i'm saying agree . do you i'm saying i agree. do you agree? agree that's agree? i agree that that's qualitatively different, that tory saying this person tory scum is saying this person deserves i think that two deserves x. i think that two different things. and then secondly , clarkson , this secondly, with clarkson, this was drafted, written edits it proof proofread and published . proof proofread and published. and so you've got four or five people down the chain of command thinking this is something which is appropriate to say , whereas is appropriate to say, whereas with know, all with a tweet you know, we all make errant tweets . somebody make errant tweets. if somebody is obnoxious . so i think is rude or obnoxious. so i think it's strange to go from clarkson saying this thing which to saying this awful thing which to some signed off on multiple levels, saying wing levels, then saying left wing people people that people about i think people that generally really generally think they're really good to be the worst good people tend to be the worst kind people. but i think that kind of people. but i think that i think it does transcend politics. it happens a lot with socialists. of self socialists. there is of self right ? funny, yes. right? funny, yes. self—righteous, not, but quite a lot . yeah. nearly all of them, lot. yeah. nearly all of them, i think is the defining characteristic of the left is being nasty. and actually hating

, you know, actually hating people who disagree with them, refusing to talk to them, refusing to talk to them, refusing to talk to them, refusing to have them in the family, saying, i wouldn't have this person. and the conservatives don't behave like they can't say that. you know, we can't say that a our who's turned never met him turned out i've never met him before be astonishingly nice before to be astonishingly nice and person but but and interesting person but but but they are they are tremendously hateful . and many tremendously hateful. and many of these comments that have been made have been edited, proofread and so on appeared in a newspaper , appears on left newspaper, appears on the left as well. you can't just as well. so you can't just say that about here to that about i'm not here to defend clarkson . and i defend jeremy clarkson. and i know. of course he has. of course, withdrawn to some extent from his. i went i don't know whether it's apology or not whether it's an apology or not but the that he's but he has the shock that he's caused . but the fact is that caused. but the fact is that i want the left actually to carry on being as nasty as they are because people see it. the people see it . they say, you people see it. they say, you know , i really though i really know, i really though i really don't want to be part of this group, they really are putting me off. they see how unpleasant you are. it's a very long

socialist tradition , even in the socialist tradition, even in the labour party of the second world war. that was, i think it was naive and i hope i don't say the wrong politician who went out in the 1945 election and actually talked about tory vermin. that was not that was not better. and tory vermin and god bless the tories up and down the country all got little badges saying i am vermin. yes i remember that. they knew that. you don't remember that? i knew . you know, remember that? i knew. you know, i remember when mark scott well it was tory scum. yeah. and tories and so on because we know how to turn it back on people and show that we're not going to be affected by that because basically we can live with other people . the left doesn't want to people. the left doesn't want to live with other people. they are the hate, not hope. the group of hate, not hope. okay, let's get some okay, well, let's get some balance that what i will balance on that one. what i will say i do think it's say is that i do think it's unfortunate that lot of people unfortunate that a lot of people on left assume on the left assume that conservatives or those on the right have mal intent organs that you see ridiculous , like, that you see ridiculous, like, oh, the conservatives just hate

the poor. you know, they just happened to think that the way to prosperous economy to a prosperous economy or society is by different means. it always seems that if i, for example, disagree with someone who's left weighing on twitter, that it's something nasty about my personality , my, you know, my personality, my, you know, something that they just can't stand. it's not in the same way i accept socialist views . well, i accept socialist views. well, there's two points down. say, firstly, i don't think that actually many conservatives in this country, most people who claim to be conservative, i don't really know what they stand and that applies stand for. and that applies to most conservative most of the conservative government. the government. since 2010, the party, they said, party, at least they said, didn't to conserve didn't want to conserve anything. i think i think anything. and i think i think just going on the evidence, they do quite committed to do seem quite committed to making worse most making things worse for most people that intentional? people. is that intentional? i mean, we can we can. mean, of course we can we can. that's question. you that's an open question. you know, a line i think know, there was a line i think it was macmillan, conservatives can things. and can serve good, good things. and bad mean, if only bad things. i mean, if only conservatives still like conservatives would still like that been that because they haven't been like a very long time like that for a very long time in the virtues thing, in terms of the virtues thing, it's really interesting because obviously, mean, this is your obviously, i mean, this is your last so yeah,

last chance to speak. so yeah, i'll i'll be ready, i promise i'll be i'll be ready, i promise , as possible. know, i do , as possible. you know, i do media with to both media stuff with people to both my my right. and what's my left and my right. and what's interesting of interesting is the most of vitriol anger i get is from vitriol and anger i get is from people who are on the center—left. i've always been perfectly affable people on perfectly affable with people on the people the the right and the people in the centre to the worst cause centre left to the worst cause they've in the for 20, they've been in the room for 20, 30 years and they're the most left person. the second left wing person. but the second is to their left they is somebody to their left they view an attack on their view almost an attack on their identity their being, which identity and their being, which what seventies what we saw in the seventies there much into fighting there was so much into fighting anyway. that's sadly all we've got time for this evening. thank you very much to my very erudite and fantastic panel this evening, nigel farage is coming up at the top of the hour. you're there. what's coming up ? you're there. what's coming up? thank you very much. 34 million college earnings to be taken over the course of the next two days, according to the rac already the most expense source of fuel in europe diesel, up to 30 per litre dearer than unleaded. what on earth is going

on? because rishi says he may put more taxes on fuel next yeah put more taxes on fuel next year. our motorists being persecuted, that's our debate. this evening. all of that coming up after the all important weather. good evening. i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office. a wet and windy spell of weather spreading northwards dunng weather spreading northwards during tomorrow . great news if during tomorrow. great news if you're heading for the roads. mostly it'll dry during mostly it'll be dry during daylight hours across scotland where be chilly. but in where it'll be chilly. but in the south well as being wet the south as well as being wet there will be pretty mild conditions to weather from. it's just trickling in here . made for just trickling in here. made for a misty, murky day across of the south. and that mist and low cloud is sticking around overnight with foggy on some of the routes as well. many the higher routes as well. many places and so we see some places dry and so we see some heavier rain coming to in the southwest dawn. going to southwest by dawn. it's going to very but colder very mild here, but colder conditions further frost conditions further north. frost certainly across northern scotland. and the showers coming in shetland will in across shetland will be turning snow, but it'll be rain across the southwest. this will be quite heavy rain accompanied

by winds affecting wales, by gusty winds affecting wales, the midlands, southeast england dunng the midlands, southeast england during so just during the morning. so just something mind you something to bear in mind if you are for the roads, going are heading for the roads, going to be very wet. that rain spreading steadily northwards into northern into northern ireland, northern england and england by early afternoon and eventually southern parts eventually into southern parts of island. for the south of scott island. for the south it tends and bright air it tends drier and bright air through afternoon, but still through the afternoon, but still quite and very mild for quite blustery and very mild for 18 degrees compared to just two or three in northern scotland . or three in northern scotland. eventually will hit eventually that rain will hit the colder air across central and northern scotland. some snow likely on hills during likely on the hills during friday . showers will friday evening. showers will follow on behind and the milder air will continue to push its way northward. so it's pretty mild for the start of the christmas weekend. yes, there will snow on the hills will be some snow on the hills across northern scotland, but otherwise it'll be rain showers . not many of those across . not too many of those across central eastern of central and eastern parts of england saturday generally dry and bright, but will be quite and bright, but it will be quite blustery. gusty day on blustery. a gusty day on christmas eve. and as said, that milder air is continuing to push northward. so double figures across the south and seven,

eight, nine degrees further north is above average for this time of year. so it's a mile starts to the christmas weekend. a windy one as well. stay mild for christmas day, but turning colder all of us by boxing colder for all of us by boxing day .

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