a welcome along, everybody, to thursday's edition of the mark steyn show. with me , patrick steyn show. with me, patrick christys. we have a stellar line—up of stories and guest for you today. you will not want to miss it. big victory. victory, huge victory. we've got some great news for you because the dominic back has pulled out of the race to become rather valley mp. been very vocal over mp. we've been very vocal over the last few weeks questioning why the disgraced grooming gang scandal, cabinet members have been allowed to run as mp . they been allowed to run as mp. they go from making it absolutely massive their local area to potentially finding their way in

westminster as well will be covering this with our very own charlie. he broke the news with us earlier. that is a huge scalp, by the way people, other news they weren't to news channels. they weren't to touch all it and touch it. we're all over it and we'll gain results anyway. in other , are we becoming the other news, are we becoming the last resort for failed asylum claimants .7 a survey released claimants? a survey released today by watchers asylum granted the uk has risen to 77. we are a soft search where like a blancmange whilst france reduces that to 25. even the french have more of a backbone than us, which really is saying something because we all know that tanks have one gear and if our stats are correct, we estimate that the taxpayer could be shelling £64,000 a year for each migrant . how many nurses is that ? . how many nurses is that? that's double the uk's median salary. talking on this will be the former editor of the sun and found favourite is calvin. there you go. anyway you go ceiling streaming with water zero heating these the experiences of families living in military

accommodation provided by the of defence. now we spoke yesterday about migrants priorities ties over the uk's homeless children . it seems that they may also be prioritising them over our military person . now joining me military person. now joining me on that will be the leader of the social democratic party, which includes dim sum news. our bet that you weren't expecting as well. the way, president as well. by the way, president biden has thousands of biden has released thousands of documents of us documents on the murder of us president f kennedy in full president john f kennedy in full . for the first time we will have mulholland . we want a joe have mulholland. we want a joe biden's long term friends and members biden's long ter|national and members of the national democratic committee on all of this later. is it ethical this later. plus, is it ethical to inside an abortion to pray inside an abortion exclusion zone ? there's a much exclusion zone? there's a much bigger picture there. it basically reveals thought crime, which is frankly terrifying. if you really think about that might lead. we'll be to might lead. we'll be talking to two priests. we've got. two priests. yes, we've got. versus ladies and gents versus priest. ladies and gents , side of this , on either side of this argument, always bring you argument, we'll always bring you the stories that matter most. and, course, most and, of course, the most important the show. important part of the show. well, get to a good well, you get to give me a good pummelling. jb is a gb news is doc. you can get your questions

coming but coming and not coming up. but first, it's the headlines with the barney l.t. the wonderful barney l.t. patrick. thank you. good evening . i am bethany l.s. in the gb newsroom. ambulance workers from the union unison have announced they will two further days of strike action and a dispute over pay- strike action and a dispute over pay. thousands of staff from five ambulance service in england will walk out on the 11th and 23rd of january. it will affect london, yorkshire, the north—west north—east and south—west union leaders say the health secretary refusal to discuss pay for ambulance workers and nurses has raised the prospect of even further strikes next month. but the education secretary, gillian , education secretary, gillian, says they must respect the independent pay review body . you independent pay review body. you cannot have independent pay review process which takes the out of pay and then have politicians intervene in that process. not only does it blow

the process up and destroy the process, but it also means what happensin process, but it also means what happens in future years know is this going to be politicians now doing it really important? it's been done by governments of different colours. the independent peer review process has been used successfully and that's what we want to continue . rail fares in england will rise by 5.9% in march. the government , the cap at a level government, the cap at a level well below inflation even with the transport secretary saying , the transport secretary saying, the transport secretary saying, the intervention will help reduce the impact on passengers. comes as rail workers get ready . more strike action with rmt members in scotland walking out on christmas eve. until tuesday , air travel is also to be affected with around a quarter of a million passengers being warned of delays as border force staff strike from tomorrow . the staff strike from tomorrow. the home office says it's deported 42 albanian migrants back home, which it said had no to be in the uk. government has come under increasing pressure to prevent migrants attempting to

cross the english channel from france . the home office said france. the home office said some of those arrived illegally via small boats and others have been convicted of supplying class a drugs . a controversial class a drugs. a controversial gender reform bill which aims to make it easier for young people to transition , has been passed to transition, has been passed in the scottish parliament. the gender recognition reform scotland bill is passed . 86 msps scotland bill is passed. 86 msps voted in favour of the law, while 39 voted against. the bill will remove the need for a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria in order to receive a recognition certificate . it will recognition certificate. it will also lower the minimum to 16 and reduce the time legally needed for applicants to live . they for applicants to live. they acquire gender from two years to three months to europe. to date on tv, online and dab plus radio. this is tv news. now let's get back to the mark steyn show with .

show with. patrick okay, wonderful. people are normally at the top of the show. i do a monologue deathless prose. you all know the drill by now, but today we are ripping up the running order. why? well, because have some of a serious because i have some of a serious victory for the mark steyn show. a serious victory for gb news as a channel. grooming gangs are in every single major city. the uk, tens of thousands of vulnerable, mostly working class white girls have been raped and abused on an industrial scale by mostly british pakistani men. police forces . they don't do much about forces. they don't do much about this . they don't want to stoke this. they don't want to stoke racial tensions now, do they? in 20 political parties, they've ignored the issue. they tried to bury the issue. they wanted the votes, didn't they? the mainstream media, they've largely ignored it. they didn't want the backlash . but gb news want the backlash. but gb news is charlie peters. he wasn't cowed by any of that guff . no.

cowed by any of that guff. no. he's been investigated. the grooming gang scandal relentlessly and shining a light into the corners . into the darkest corners. society specifically in rotherham, more than 1000 children were abused that abuse included. and i'm warning now, this is sensitive content. okay. that abuse included , gang rape, that abuse included, gang rape, forcing children to watch rape, dousing them with petrol and threatening to set them on fire, threatening to set them on fire, threatening to set them on fire, threatening to write their mothers and younger sisters , as mothers and younger sisters, as well as trafficking them to other towns. despite this, though, the labour party council played down the scale of the abuse and in one of the cabinet members at the time was to run as a labour mp, but due to peters pressure, things have changed and charlie joins now. charlie you've got a scout finally. i it's extraordinary news is extraordinary news. firstly, that dominic back this labour councillor was allowed to stand in the first place. i think it's shames, shames rotherham, metropole it's in borough council that they ever

had him as a candidate, but also shames britain more generally. i mean this is the most shocking story of the elizabethan era in our country i think, and it's scandalous that men like that who had to resign after the council was in denial over , council was in denial over, refusing to admit the scale of the crisis, whatever allowed to approach public office . now, approach public office. now, beckis approach public office. now, beck is the first man to fall in from the gb news investigation . from the gb news investigation. but i warned on your show, patrick, two weeks ago. there are many more to come, and they will come. i'm going to take a break for christmas now, but there are many more people in pubuc there are many more people in public office in rotherham. she will be having very christmases knowing that gb news is coming knocking. yeah indeed. and charlie, there will. we will have to roll. i just want to say thank you. i know it's a bit short and sweet. this is want to say you really for that say thank you really for that and to to break our news and to and to break our news here on this show, steyn is here on this show, mark steyn is very about this very passionate about this issue. very passionate about issue. i'm very passionate about issue. i'm very passionate about issue. been banging issue. and you have been banging the this relentlessly.

the drum for this relentlessly. and said. charlie, and as you've said. charlie, there more to come, is there there is more to come, is there not? what can we expect to hear on well, i'm not on this channel? well, i'm not to my next because to break my next scoop because i don't want to let those those are firing line get ahead are in the firing line get ahead of but i i can reassure of it. but i can i can reassure our viewers and those who've been supporting channel and been supporting the channel and indeed investigation, that indeed this investigation, that more the more councillors are in the firing more not firing line, more members not only rotherham, in only in rotherham, but also in telford rochdale, and further telford in rochdale, and further ahead , much of mainstream ahead, much of the mainstream media, as you said, has looked away from this story, but we haven't seen things we haven't seen the things we discovered. actually, i think a lot of people find it absolutely, remarkable absolutely, utterly remarkable that was anyway on that this guy was even anyway on near candidates list to be near a candidates list to be a mp, the labour party. it would appear yet again just not getting it at all when it comes to grooming gangs in this country. yes, i mean, completely you find that many people i mean, but the story two weeks ago, they were asking on earth did back a candidate in did dominic back a candidate in the first place? do you think it's because they don't catch audio or not? sorry. do you think it's just because they just don't get or they

just they don't get or they don't care? they see it as don't care? they don't see it as a problem and don't want a problem and they don't want the harassment? this the harassment? well, this strategy always strategy for labour has always been and hope world been stay and hope the world moves on. but lots of people have refused to say so and lots of survivors in the town and rather in particular. i've been speaking me in, out, speaking to me day in, day out, the year, me the the last year, giving me the inside scoop what's going on. inside scoop on what's going on. and we learned this week course that council the houghton it that council and the houghton it was leader of the was the deputy leader of the council's cabinet when becky had to resign in 2015, when the council was found to be in denial and wholly unacceptable. she was on the selection committee that him. so committee that picked him. so it's are all caught up in it's people are all caught up in the scandal working together, colluding to themselves colluding to bring themselves back scandalous back into power. it's scandalous . you couldn't make it up , so . you couldn't make it up, so you really, really couldn't make it. charlie, thank you very much . charlie peters that he's been doing. absolutely stuff. doing. absolutely stellar stuff. and news that broke and that is the news that broke just moments before we came at gb news. well, charlie peters really proper, proper really getting a proper, proper and this investigation, the first of many, as he said, a lot of people out there right now, potential labour politicians,

one thought, not one would have thought, will not be having particularly easy time of christmas, nor should of over christmas, nor should they, who they, because i'll tell you who absolutely doesn't an easy absolutely doesn't have an easy time poor of time of the poor victims of grooming gangs right across the country. let's just move on country. but let's just move on from because you from that now, because can you believe migrants acceptance believe that migrants acceptance rates have risen to rates in the uk have risen to a whopping 77% seriously? statistics revealed by migration watch say the home office is seeing growth rates for asylum rise by 43% over the last seven years. in the last seven years, this is all you know. well, not all of it. nearly all of it post—brexit. still, businesses got it by 43% considering france is growing. rates have actually lowered oh we've now becoming last resort for failed asylum claimants last chance alone former editor of the sun kelvin mackenzie joins me right now. kelvin welcome. well, what's going on? is that the rest of the everybody coming from the middle east or africa have worked out. you've more chance of getting into the uk than you have in france, for instance france wants to maintain good

relations with iran for commercial reasons. relations with iran for commercial reasons . therefore commercial reasons. therefore they reject migrants. so it is migrants say righto squat, thank you very much. let me try the uk where once i get once i get into the uk i'm laughing . but we have the uk i'm laughing. but we have a really serious issue our country and it's one that no political party is going to solve . have you heard starmer solve. have you heard starmer say anything surely starmer should be outraged at these numbers of 77 because the workers wouldn't. these are jobs that no more ordinary working brits could take and housing and education and probably more importantly, health. these are this is why . why has it taken an this is why. why has it taken an in—depth and an organisation like migration watch to come out with these numbers? these numbers have been available since september. why is it that? the home office haven't issued it. really? have heard the it. really? have you heard the explanation of the why of why this has happened at all? have you seen the official write? i urge you , i can't even remember

urge you, i can't even remember it because it doesn't make enough sense . the home office enough sense. the home office have issued statement why have issued a statement why these happened . i defy these numbers happened. i defy anybody to read that statement right . go. just go online and right. go. just go online and find right and say, oh, that's the reason, is it? there is ? no the reason, is it? there is? no good reason. there's no good reason . and the other the other. reason. and the other the other. the other thing work out is this one. you think 77% to 98% of eritrean syrians and afghanis, because now we have now if you really look that basically an open border with afghanistan syria and eritrea two of those countries we've been at war with of them, we definitely have the other one. well in terms of isis, we obviously have. so we left the european union did in france having an open border with france spain, portugal but we have now got an open border , we have now got an open border, two massive jihadi hotspots . so two massive jihadi hotspots. so what want to anytime i listen to bravo , i'm sure she's got good

bravo, i'm sure she's got good intentions . patel, a very bright intentions. patel, a very bright woman . good intentions. the woman. good intentions. the current prime minister. they all say we are determined right to remember these expressions of it. we determined to solve issue. and the answer is years and years go by and nobody solves . it gets worse. not only solves. it gets worse. not only gets worse. so you are starmer you're sitting there, you're thinking to yourself, right, well, this problem is going to be mine by the looks things within 18 months, two years. so here's my big idea. and what's the big idea exactly ? there is the big idea exactly? there is no big idea. do nothing because you wouldn't want to give anything away at the minute. this is the other thing, because if if he does have an if you even if he does have an idea which the way, he almost idea which by the way, he almost definitely doesn't, he's not going want give it to the going to want to give it to the tories right now if they want to do this then so he can claim as a win, he's probably calculating that much worse. that it can't get much worse. but of the big concerns for but one of the big concerns for me, from literally all of but one of the big concerns for m is from literally all of but one of the big concerns for mis it's from literally all of but one of the big concerns for mis it's notom literally all of but one of the big concerns for mis it's not enoughally all of but one of the big concerns for mis it's not enough now1ll of but one of the big concerns for mis it's not enough now for)f it is it's not enough now for people to go well. my local area

is changing massively. the hotel happens near a nursery happens to be near a nursery school old people's home school and an old people's home is full of blokes we is now full of blokes and we don't know where they are or of this that's enough or by this if that's not enough or by the can't get gp's the power can't get gp's appointment money. appointment full of no money. no, that's enough at all. no, that's not enough at all. what the actual when what about the actual cost when you we've got people you work out? we've got people going on strike right at the moment in country because moment in this country because want, know, 9% pay rise, 90% want, you know, 9% pay rise, 90% piracy, happy to piracy, whatever. but happy to pay piracy, whatever. but happy to pay and pounds a pay 67 thousands and pounds a year per migrant the uk per year per migrant in the uk per channel for number a channel for a for number a number is literally going number that is literally going up hundreds every up by the hundreds every day. it's not though. oh, it's kind of tough there be all right the maximum is going to be a billion it's going to be 2 billion. it's going to be 3 billion. there is no this. and so, look, we no to this. and so, look, we employ we pay them. we them plenty of plenty of to stand up on soapboxes and. tell us what they're going to do. why it you know what what every single mp in this country should have to have every single one of their spare rooms filled by someone who's just come over the channel

and not get the problem. so it don't let that that , by the way, don't let that that, by the way, is the good. well, you would look know . is the good. well, you would look know. i'm doing it. it's a funny it's a funny idea anyway ram almost around these in eastington look amazing said but knock on the door yeah hello mohammed how can i help you? what do you mean, help me? i've got your third bedroom. exactly you go easy on it. the only thing is, is the way of doing it. actually taking directly. it. actually taking it directly. political mean, in political masses. i mean, in scotland, apparently they're not particularly on actually particularly keen on actually any are coming any of these people are coming across i find across the channel, which i find utterly, utterly remarkable . utterly, utterly remarkable. yeah. he want? yeah. i mean, what does he want? because going to because nothing else is going to be about it, right. but but be done about it, right. but but why the most important ? why is it the most important? this is is possibly bigger this is this is possibly bigger political issue than , even even political issue than, even even inflation . why is it that nobody inflation. why is it that nobody seems to be able to solve and nothing and they're not prepared to be nasty and what they don't understand, the politician says, is, were they nasty? there's a big prize. it's called winning

the next election. and for the conservative party, they are complaining. what do you say nasty? you mean? well nasty? what do you mean? well saying uncomfortable thing. saying uncomfortable things. but we to . supposing we went to we have to. supposing we went to the french and said, look , we the french and said, look, we believe that you're trying fairly hard or the are trying fairly hard or the are trying fairly hard or the are trying fairly hard to catch these we are going to from now on which put our especially israel for instance in relation to this we're going to put our own people into that coast . and when people into that coast. and when we see anybody doing it, we're we're going to go for summary justice, just to shoot justice, just going to shoot them. dead right. we're them. stone dead right. we're going see point. these going to see this point. these are the people smugglers. smugglers. going to smugglers. we're just going to kill the french would kill them. now, the french would then are we are war. then say we are we are at war. i see your . exactly, exactly . i've see your. exactly, exactly. i've got i've got a gcse in trying anyway and i think we have to do something as mad as that if we try go through the conventional legal straight forward, this is all politics if this were israel i guarantee to you they would be

they would have all they would have armed people across the border and sorting out if the french allow to have our say a sniper who's picking off human traffickers and only human traffickers and only human traffickers important say on the beaches calais. to be fair, the problem be solved relatively quickly. i mean it is the nuclear option, but you go maybe those kids, thomas graham just didn't want to give it to the tories. can you imagine? keir starmer wins the election for day one. it's him looking like a like one of those kind of african jews the little baby people like the bee dressed like the president. yeah, the ukraine president. yeah, constantly. zelenskyy constantly. yeah. like zelenskyy right, kelvin, thank you very much. always our jobs. much. i always enjoy our jobs. kelvin the former kelvin mckenzie, the former edhon kelvin mckenzie, the former editor, up, we editor, sun rod. coming up, we will discussing the mod's will be discussing the mod's dodgy housing contract dodgy military housing contract with leader of sdp . with the leader of the sdp. william claims there is get william claims that there is get this who killed jfk. we'll be discussing newly released jfk files with longtime friend of president joe biden and a member of the california democratic

national committee is bob mulholland . and come prying mulholland. and come prying barely . we have two priests, barely. we have two priests, reverend william and reverend michael to battle it out. we've got a priest on priest people . got a priest on priest people. okay. you won't get it on the bbc you don't want to miss it. so after the break .

break a welcome out, wonderful people right now. gb news is the people's channel. so let's hear what people have to say. we asked you, are we spending too much channel migrants and john's been on john says, of course we are. we need to adopt an approach similar to the eu in greece, hungary and poland. we accepting john far , far, far too accepting john far, far, far too many people , more people than many people, more people than frankly the rest of the continent. i believe this is another johnny. continent. i believe this is anotherjohnny. is it

continent. i believe this is another johnny. is it all continent. i believe this is anotherjohnny. is it all right? another johnny. is it all right? i if we weren't so xenophobe , i if we weren't so xenophobe, jobbik would help them with a special app where they could choose the level of accommodation shown from the smugglers allah menu before smugglers to allah menu before they arrive on a cruise ship equipped with swimming pool and happy well hang on happy hour. well hang on a second. hang on a second, johnny. that's not actually going to happen mate. they're going to happen mate. they're going up on cruise going to end up on a cruise ship. and it's remarkable it because of people ship. and it's remarkable it becawho of people ship. and it's remarkable it becawho not people in now who pay money, not people in society, you know, you whatever. hey, let's say you'd come down to to visit or gone to to london to visit or gone to a different to visit, and different area to visit, and you'd up hotels and you'd look up local hotels and you'd look up local hotels and you'd money, not a small you'd pay money, not a small amount money a lot of amount of money in a lot of cases to stay a hotel, whatever, hotel, guys. mean, the hotel, guys. i mean, the holiday, example, is being holiday, for example, is being used places now used for these places and now we're told is against the we're being told is against the human to stay say, well, human rights to stay say, well, it wasn't against my human rights in holiday rights to stay in the holiday inn. months ago, was inn. a couple of months ago, was it. then you people who pay it. and then you people who pay to cruises, they cruises. to go on cruises, they cruises. people are to cruises. people are addicted to cruises. i i've never been on i must say i've never been on one, but people absolutely love them and go, i'll be them and they go, i'll be against human rights to against the human rights it to

put cruise ship. why put them on a cruise ship. why then it'll against the human then it'll be against the human rights the rod stewart rights when the rod stewart tribute up the buffet, tribute turns up in the buffet, get towards the end of get stuck in towards the end of the anyway been on the evening anyway has been on tips have we are and tips says we have we are and will forever. well that was bleak to but i suspect you're probably right that is in probably right that this is in relation whether not we are relation to whether not we are actually paying much money actually paying too much money the too much for the taxpayer paying too much for money migrants apparently is aroun per around £64,000 a year per migrant which is bonkers migrant people, which is bonkers . you look what the average . you look at what the average salary the mollie has salary the uk is, mollie has been on just time for one more now after playing we should be sending them straight back . sending them straight back. mollie i actually did want to say when it was the england france game , look, maybe we france game, look, maybe we should we should play and we should we should play and we should put a wager on it. put a wager . we should, we should we wager. we should, we should we are we should we should be basically playing to see who gets to keep these people. but there we go. right. okay. we raise a few days ago , raise a point. a few days ago, the mod allowed military the mod had allowed military family accommodation to deteriorate to such an extent that sleeping bags were being

issued to help families get through winter due to faulty heating videos uploaded by soldiers also flooded media showing leaking ceilings , broken showing leaking ceilings, broken windows and floor to ceiling mode, which they call a great absolutely shocking, was apparently viral infections in all of this occurring while our servicemen and are being expected to cover for striking workers christmas earlier today we spoke to a former royal navy nuclear submarine, ryan ram and he had this to say. he says it's an absolute scandal shockingly handled pinnacle and the ammo who should have intervened way earlier i lived in married when i was commander and state of them that in 2008 wasn't great. so we little and poor management is apt unsurprising that had are not company by commander ryan ramsay. that pinnacle his boss earns a tidy . ramsay. that pinnacle his boss earns a tidy . £320,000 a year,

earns a tidy. £320,000 a year, 320 grand a year. a lot . i 320 grand a year. a lot. i wasn't sure anyone deserves . i wasn't sure anyone deserves. i think some people do, but i'm not sure this guy were awarded a hundred an d £44 million contract hundred and £44 million contract in march to sort out the housing issues. well, after a bit of digging, it turns out that the company is only completely failed to fulfil its very lucrative contracts. but they also got a lot of people have some chinese connections . also got a lot of people have some chinese connections. hmm. there go. one of the direct there you go. one of the direct says if pinnacle company is a chinese national in china, he's named as the person of significant control, the only one, in fact , which means he has one, in fact, which means he has more than 25% of shares and over rights. and the power to appoint the board of directors. now we're not suggesting explicitly there's anything untoward going on here of . course, no, but on here of. course, no, but should it be government policy to be handing defence contracts to be handing defence contracts to chinese affiliated companies? we've got them closed in their leader. the social democracy party, to talk about . what the party, to talk about. what the tories and the mod are getting wrong here and what they pay you

would like to see done. the treatment of our servicemen and women. thank very, very women. well thank you very, very much. have you on the much. great to have you on the show. rather a long introduction now, but better get it all now, but i better get it all out. first of as we are out. first of all, as we are seriously, seriously letting down our armed forces personnel, they are living conditions down our armed forces personnel, theythe living conditions down our armed forces personnel, theythe government1ditions down our armed forces personnel, theythe government doesn't to and the government doesn't to care . yeah, this is a scandal, care. yeah, this is a scandal, absolute scandal. these people who've served the country who in some cases in the in the newspapers and online . newspapers and online. gentlemen, william matthews, who'd served in afghanistan , the who'd served in afghanistan, the right in bosnia , and he's been right in bosnia, and he's been complaining for months , complaining for months, literally months, about the quality of his nothing gets done . and i'm afraid, patrick, it's the same story with the successive governments, tory and labour outsourcing. they prefer to outsource than doing anything directly . and i just don't that directly. and i just don't that this model works this constant outsourcing of absurd and facilities originally actually .

facilities originally actually. in 1996 when the largest part of the estate was basically hived off , the national audit office off, the national audit office complained. then a few years later that basically the modi, the tory government of the time had made a loss that amounted to several billion and selling the thing off. and now they can't even look after the accommodation properly and families are being given, as you say , you know, sleeping bags and say, you know, sleeping bags and instructed to sleep in there in their overcoats . it's a scandal. their overcoats. it's a scandal. no, it's absolutely. but when you look at the kind of juxtapose i mean, i've just spoken there about the fact we're allegedly paying spoken there about the fact we're allegedly payin g £64,000 we're allegedly paying £64,000 a year per migrant now. okay i wish wasn't a binary choice . wish it wasn't a binary choice. it does to me, because we it does appear to me, because we are have a situation in are going to have a situation in this country, are not where disused military barracks are being house migrant being used to house migrant people who've just come out of the channel meanwhile, people who've actually served for queen, king and country, maybe fallen on hard times. we'll be zipping up the sleeping bag on

the pavement outside. and that's just not right. no, it's ryan sickens the public, this sort of thing patrick. i mean, people you know with the we used to be a concept of contribution rights you paid in and you got to have we looked our own people now as you say you've got illegal migrants coming in and you know the government spending 6 million a day 7 million a day on expensive accommodation at hotels and those hotels are very warm and got people, as you say, there's a major problem of homelessness among veterans. we in our policy. we have a policy to prioritise military veterans in housing anyway , but in housing anyway, but meanwhile, they can't even get the basics . you know, this these the basics. you know, this these are the basics, not mould and damp . you know, as you say, some damp. you know, as you say, some of the kids that mathiesen and child is in an unheated room, in a cot in the lounge room. that's just totally unacceptable. meanwhile, furniture , i'm just meanwhile, furniture, i'm just going to say i'm just interrupting you, amy, just quickly, because we're playing

some pictures now and i want i know we have a lot of listeners on just on radio around what we've just seen now just want to talk people through is a ceiling has completely in water completely caved in with water pounng completely caved in with water pouring through and that pouring through it and that water from what appears water going from what appears to be loft all the way down be the loft all the way down through down into through the bedroom, down into the kitchen, down the hallway. and i wish this was nice that. i didn't see that. right now didn't see that. but right now have situation, william, where have a situation, william, where if you go away and serve king and country, wife or and country, your wife or husband whatever and kids may be getting ill off , the damp in the getting ill off, the damp in the house that the military is providing or the government is providing or the government is providing you. meanwhile you know, i'm sorry, but it is the most obviously is the most obvious example is right. you have people in four star hotels you've just come across the channel it's a it's a i mean this is the problem i've got family members a number of family members a number of family members a number of family members that have been in married quarters accommodation. this is of decades and this is a couple of decades and they used to be perfectly fine . they used to be perfectly fine. and problem is that the and the problem is that the model is wrong. the government

is obsessed with selling of is obsessed with selling all of our assets off. but as you say many of these assets have been sold to foreign investors . the sold to foreign investors. the purpose then isn't actually looking after the assets and looking after the assets and looking the families that live in the houses the purpose, the prime purpose of these companies is to enrich their shareholders. and i think that's a major problem here. direct service provision is far more efficient than subcontracting and outsourcing. all of these things. it just doesn't work as a model, which fail. yeah. and just just talk to me a bit about the problem with outsourcing. i mean, i seem to remember one time it was almost a question as to whether or not we were going to whether or not we were going to be outsourcing various different nuclear plants to the chinese all chinese i mean, now it's all military accommodation well. military accommodation as well. why away we the why i mean, why away we the thing we know well the thing is, we know well the chinese government mean chinese government does not mean as well i have gone on record and said i really seriously do not think chinese government not think the chinese government means world particularly means the world particularly well certain things have well given certain things have happened years . and happened in recent years. and now we have a situation

now here we have a situation where supposedly china or chinese firms, which is which is perfectly well, perfectly within our rights to question where this money is going. right. and could control of a could well be in control of a lot our military lot of our military accommodation. why are we doing this? what's with giving this? what's wrong with giving it or someone ? because it to james or someone? because the at governance have no the people at governance have no concept national interest. concept of national interest. and that's why i gave a speech in 2019. describe the decision. you know, the prospect that the 56 you know, the prospect that the 5g network would be sold off to huawei. i said that was insane i described it as insane . think described it as insane. think it's ludicrous. it's taken tories about five or ten years to catch up with reality. i mean, you know, we're not well—governed, i'm afraid, until you get a government is prepared actually to the country first not sell everything off, not hive everything off, but is a disgrace. anyway, just in a wider you know we've had the little brown child rochdale died as a result mould on the on the walls and again the sdp we thought about this have a policy

basically have a housing amnesty effectively a conditions certificate. and if you don't have this, you can't charge . and have this, you can't charge. and i think landlords would very rapidly realise that you cannot put people into substandard . put people into substandard. yeah. consciousness because just because you before we move on to something else. but i'm keen get your views on it and we've kind of led the discussion in this way actually will be accidentally. but do you as though just being eaten though we're just being eaten alive absolute complete and alive with absolute complete and woke i mean i can't help woke tosh. i mean i can't help but for example today i saw but feel for example today i saw a couple of things actually around the muswell hill area in london, in north london nice area, lots of money spoken about. and most people did rather well for themselves in the muswell hill area. there's a primary school there which has got all of the flags , the world got all of the flags, the world cup playing nations and next to the saudi arabia flag. they've put in the gay pride put the trans in the gay pride flag me, i don't flag. now, forgive me, i don't remember the trans gay remember the trans in the gay pride team actually rocking up the but there go. the world cup, but there we go. and then a bit down the road,

there's a hotel has been to house seekers. those house asylum seekers. those asylum migrants asylum seekers channel migrants are that to are being relocated that to a disused military barracks are the protest up in arms ? i'm the protest up in arms? i'm sorry is this just kind of like why rich girls love these things, patrick? just don't make any sense at all. lot of the alliances that these ultra progressives have are actually completely incompatible. my friends colleagues are little as once said that yes, you can have the gay pride flag, whatever, but try and organise a gay pride in ramallah . yeah. and see how in ramallah. yeah. and see how that goes. i mean, honestly, you know , i'm afraid until we start know, i'm afraid until we start defending western civilisation and britain , and our own values, and britain, and our own values, not our traditions , we won't get not our traditions, we won't get anywhere. but unfortunately with governance by people that are completely indifferent to these. william, very much. it was william, thank very much. it was an absolute pleasure. that's what i am, christian there, of course of the sdp . right. what course of the sdp. right. what do you make of all that, ladies and gentlemen? obviously well, i've more

i've got an absolute load more coming because coming coming your way, because coming up battle of the priest. up is the battle of the priest. we've verses rise. we've got priest verses rise. we'll having a debate free we'll be having a debate on free expression of religion as a woman. actually, i, i must woman. and actually, i, i must say genuinely eagerness to try to back how angry i am. and we have to quite camp the way we discuss it because it's an ongoing a woman ongoing case but a woman prosecution after silently praying in her own had been abortion clinic in birmingham. i'm unbelievable talk about potentially policing just literally what's going on inside someone's head also make sure you got in touch. gbv is a gbnews.uk on all of those issues that we spoke about because you can pummel patrick very shortly. don't go anywhere .

welcome back everybody. i wish this next story wasn't true, but it is . a woman has been charged

it is. a woman has been charged for breaching a public space protection order and is facing prosecution , praying in front of prosecution, praying in front of an abortion clinic in her head. we've seen another examples of this, like in october 2019, when the first person was arrested for publicly praying in front of an abortion clinic in violation of the uk's first buffer zone in ealing, west london . right now, ealing, west london. right now, i'm not going to discuss the specifics of this case . it's specifics of this case. it's prompted the discussion, though , generally on whether or not it's ethical to pray inside buffer zones around an abortion clinic. now, can i just say before she's my next guest as well? i'm not here to get into a massive great discussion about the morality or the whys of abortion, i understand is very polarised issue. i'm just going to outline i'm it now for the to outline i'm on it now for the sake of clarity. i am a man i will never have to confront situation myself. it's not my body personally. and i feel like, frankly , very lucky that i like, frankly, very lucky that i don't really have get involved when it comes to the old

abortion side of things. so i'll just leave that to women's decisions. that's where i'm at on the issue. i've got no strong, strong views on either way whatsoever. but i do think that people should be allowed to praying their heads anywhere really . here to discuss this on really. here to discuss this on to anglican on either side of , to anglican on either side of, the fence actually we've got priest versus priest, reverend william . and priest versus priest, reverend william .and i'm reverend william. and i'm reverend michael curran . thank you very michael curran. thank you very much. right. i'll start with you, reverend william . where are you, reverend william. where are you, reverend william. where are you on this? do you think people should be allowed to pray in had any whereabouts, anything ? well any whereabouts, anything? well do and how do i read this story on april the first? i would have it as an april fool . the very it as an april fool. the very thought of one being able to be prosecute it for silent prayer. i what you are thinking about in the privacy of your own head is utterly lewd to chris. and i

cannot believe we are in this situation . reverend willie, i'm situation. reverend willie, i'm reverend michael. your views. i've got malcolm , a priest mixed i've got malcolm, a priest mixed up there for a second. reverend michael? yes. easily don. we're pretty much interchangeable prayer is the centre of my life. i'm sure as my colleague i begin the day with it, i structure my life around prayer as a priest and a christian. i have a huge regard for prayer and. know you can pray anywhere . god is quite can pray anywhere. god is quite big and so don't have to be next to someone to actually pray for them. and maybe if someone is terribly ill and dying by their bed . but there's a context here bed. but there's a context here , i think let let's be adult about this. people very close to abortion clinics because generally they want person walking into the abortion clinic to know what is going on. now, i'm not saying that there's any violence involved. i think has been a heavy handed response. i think that maybe the person should have been told is should have been told this is inappropriate, pray inappropriate, but you can pray anywhere opposed

anywhere if you're opposed to abortion wish abortion abortion. i wish abortion numbers would decline. i'm pro—choice, you're pro—choice, but if you're opposed it. opposed to it, pray about it. pray 24 hours a day if you want to . but a woman pray 24 hours a day if you want to. but a woman has pray 24 hours a day if you want to . but a woman has a pray 24 hours a day if you want to. but a woman has a right to walk it. well, i think a woman has a right walk. often a vulnerable young, frightened woman alone, perhaps has a right to walk into an abortion clinic, get medical procedure without that, she regards as intimidation and women who walk intimidation and women who walk in have said repeatedly, i do regard this as a condition they're the people we should be listening to. reverend michael, i'll come back to i'm going to get back to reverend william on this my concern with this this one. my concern with this would be that it's an incredibly slippery slope. now, this is a specific involving , a specific issue involving, a specific issue involving, a specific case. and i gather this is going to have to go through various different court processes you processes or whatever. so you i don't to come and see don't want to come and see what's on the on the absolute specifics of it, but i'd be concerned someone could concerned that someone could just change the rules in order. you've been policed for what may or may not be happening in your head. reverend william. i

couldn't agree more with you. this is the of a very slippery , this is the of a very slippery, in my opinion. the legislation was brought these public protection orders or whatever they're called, were brought in. not for this reason , but they not for this reason, but they are being extended to create these buffer zones specifically around abortion clinics. and one wonders what is next. you know , wonders what is next. you know, would my colleague think it would my colleague think it would be inappropriate me to stand outside the houses of parliament and pray silently , parliament and pray silently, perhaps with other people ? some perhaps with other people? some politicians might find that intimidating, but this is a right. this is my human right is my right. as a christian is to pray wherever i want to pray, particularly if it's silent. i totally i would actually agree with my colleague that i don't

think that it's very loving, having noisy placard waving protests outside abortion clinics . but protests outside abortion clinics. but to stop me praying in silence , i think we are in silence, i think we are entering a dystopian 1984 orwell in situation here. reverend michael, that's an interesting point that reverend william made there, which is about the idea of , let's say i was desperate . of, let's say i was desperate. for us to not the european union. right and i'm outside parliament and i'm you know, i'm solidly in my head and an mp walks past and feels intimidated . well, do i have to get for that ? you know, the with the that? you know, the with the slippery slope argument is a lot of the time it's just paranoia. i mean, there may be a slippery slope, i think, in some areas right now observing that may been an issue. but why would happen this i'm in canada now. we've had bubble zones in canada around , abortion clinics for the around, abortion clinics for the longest time , partly because

longest time, partly because there were noisy demonstrations . was also violence which . there was also violence which hasn't in the hasn't really occurred in the uk, worked and people uk, but it's worked and people do outside the bubble zone do stand outside the bubble zone and pray and they protest and they pray and they protest well and they have a perfect right think sense right to. i think common sense has look you have competing has to look you have competing rights and always in the freedom of my face that you know as different freedoms exist and they collide in a free they do collide in a free society can in a mature society and we can in a mature way say , yes, you know, you're way say, yes, you know, you're allowed to say you're allowed to protest a certain are protest in a certain you are allowed to break. but the point about precious , about prayer it's so precious, so i think it so profound. i think it does work anyway. you have to ask, why are these people praying right outside the abortion clinic and how many young woman feel if you saw that person praying, would you feel in any way intimidated? look up. i understand that now, reverend william, i can't help but feel as though if this was another religion, i don't think lot of action would be taken and i look back at things like the batley grammar thing with blasphemy etc. is that such a i'm sorry,

but i don't see this kind of thing taking place. if another form prayer have been dished out. i mean, we all views on that. do you think the christians are a bit of a soft touch? we tend to go quietly christians are undoubtedly a soft touch and i think if it was people of faiths in particular muslims praying, i suspect this woman would not have been arrested. we're always a soft touch because we follow christ's teachings and we turn the other cheek. we love our enemies. we and go the extra mile . but you and go the extra mile. but you know, i'd like to challenge what's been going on in canada i mean it's a classic liberal place which has shown itself with the reaction to all covid protests and the trucker protests and the trucker protests as being one of the most illiberal states of the world. i absolute . no, i'm world. i absolute. no, i'm sorry. so do you. do you live in canada? do you live in canada? no but i county continues with

great. we've reached the point where if i've here for 35 years and i have to tell you grasp really see this is still very liberal tolerant country also point of information . you're point of information. you're simply wrong. orthodox jews have been challenged , arrested in been challenged, arrested in parts of north america for praying outside abortion clinics . yes, i think there's a double standard. i would agree with you certain protests by radical muslims have been treated with a within credible sensitivity that christians would not be given. i agree with you on that. but it's like comparing a colour with, a shape. is the issue . shape. this is not the issue. the young, vulnerable , the issue is young, vulnerable, being allowed to go into abortion clinics should be able to enter without any form to enter that without any form of intimidation. i would have thought christians thought as christians who believe empathy and believe in and empathy and inclusion, we can say yes , know inclusion, we can say yes, know what? do pray? just outside the bubbles and give that person that we love in their unborn child . we love the born child . child. we love the born child. well so getting to down that

really and he cares about the deeply you're opposed to abortion thus you're prepared to bend the law. i think that's what it comes to. down final word to you on that to come back that reverend william, you're opposed abortion, therefore you wanting i think wanting to ban the law. i think that was what reverend markel said? much so. said? it was pretty much so. that's that's at all. that's not that's at all. but some laws ridiculous. and some laws are ridiculous. and this in particular. but this one is in particular. but i've got two chops. i could do this all night. you've got to go now. i really appreciate both of you coming on. and i know a lot of people will have found that incredibly enlightening. i did. wonderful stuff . i'm not sure wonderful stuff. i'm not sure you ever going to shake hands and at the individual. you and agree at the individual. you might there. might shake hands out there. shake hug him. i'm a shake hands. i'd hug him. i'm a christian man. yeah, hug him christian man. yeah, i hug him right you. good luck in right there, you. good luck in haiti. and christine as well. definitely reverend definitely hug him. reverend william , reverend michael william j, i'm reverend michael gove, if i let you go gove, sitting if i let you go last gentleman right . whoa. bit last gentleman right. whoa. bit of priest on priest day. there we are. right. close judgement. well, we're moving on from that now. and as they say, something completely different. so when we

come back , we're going to be come back, we're going to be well, you know , sometimes i'm well, you know, sometimes i'm accused of hyperbole. sometimes i'm accused of saying know going a bit too far in maybe overstepping the mark, but when we come back after this break, we're going to who killed jfk .

welcome back, everybody. now, nearly 60 years ago was the moment the us president, john f kennedy , shot in dallas, texas, kennedy, shot in dallas, texas, in what was perhaps the most shocking event in us politics, the 20th century, one of the most shocking events of history actually really? well, just last week the us national archives released 13,000 new documents relating the official investigation. and one thing for sure is that the story remains as curious as ever. fewer and fewer people seem to be accepting the official account of events . with me now is

of events. with me now is broadcaster and campaigner leilani dowding. there, lani , leilani dowding. there, lani, you very much. no, i was concerned as i think you were, that this wasn't getting enough press attention. so we thought we'd bring it to their attention. who killed jfk and on it? absolutely . leigh and it? well, absolutely. leigh and robert f kennedy junior just tweeted out, that's that's the nephew of and tweeted out that most courageous newscast in 60 years, the cia's murder of uncle was a successful coup to top from which our democracy is never recovered. so that was on top of coulson . in america, we top of coulson. in america, we haven't really heard much in the uk here . that's obviously me uk here. that's obviously me being the so—called conspiracy . being the so—called conspiracy. neven being the so—called conspiracy. never, ever believe a moment that the official story was right. and now we're seeing a lot of evidence that that that it wasn't . there is another well it wasn't. there is another well obviously the obviously wanted jfk is you know surviving

relatives is absolutely convinced the cia this. yes yeah no exactly you said it there in the tweet and i think lot of people no longer believe the official narrative because we've seen so much of this happening through everything, we've just the twitter files being released i think they're up to number eight now. and you can see the level to which government and the cia, the fbi, get involved with things that a lot of people would think they would never get involved with. a lot of censorship of things know , censorship of things know, sorry. no i was just saying. okay, i was agreeing with you on that. no, i'm very, very sorry because i actually do have to go.thank because i actually do have to go. thank you very much for stepping in and short notice. i have got to i've got to get a move on. i'm 40. i've got to hand over to dawn neesom is in covering for dan wootton tonight leilani thank you much. we'll leilani thank you so much. we'll talk soon. any doubt talk again very soon. any doubt in has been in that two has just been referred to the cia file drop,

wasn't she? ross okay, well as mr. well firstly we mr. stein says, well firstly we wish but mr. stone wish him well, but as mr. stone says, safe, stay free. good says, stay safe, stay free. good evening, i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update the met office. update from the met office. a wet spell of weather wet and windy spell of weather spreading during tomorrow. not great news if you're heading for the roads. mostly it'll be dry dunng the roads. mostly it'll be dry during daylight of during daylight hours of scotland be pretty , scotland where it'll be pretty, but in the south as well as being wet, there will be pretty mild conditions to weather from trickling in here. it made for a misty murky day across much of the south. and that mist and low is sticking around overnight, but foggy on some of the higher routes as well. many places dry and so we see some heavier rain coming to the southwest by dawn. it's going to very mild here, it's going to be very mild here, but colder conditions north frost across northern frost certainly across northern scotland the showers in scotland and the showers in across shetland will be turning snow, but it'll be rain across the this will be quite heavy rain accompanied by gusty winds wales the midlands south—east england during the morning. so just something to bear mind if you heading the roads to you are heading for the roads to

be wet. that spreading be very wet. that rain spreading steadily into steadily northwards into northern england by northern ireland england by early afternoon and eventually into southern parts of scottish . for the south it tends drier and brighter through the afternoon still afternoon but still quite blustery mild for. 18 blustery and very mild for. 18 degrees compared to just two or three in northern scotland. eventually that rain will hit the colder air across central and northern scotland. some snow likely on the hills during friday evening . showers will friday evening. showers will follow on behind the mild area, will continue to push its way northward. so it's pretty mild for the start of the christmas weekend. yes will be some snow on the hills across northern scotland, otherwise it'll be scotland, but otherwise it'll be rain showers too not of those across central and eastern parts . england saturday generally dry and bright, but it will be quite blustery. gusty day on eve and blustery. a gusty day on eve and as i said, that milder air is continuing to push northwards . continuing to push northwards. so double figures across the south and 78, nine degrees further north is above average for this time of year. so it's a mild to the christmas weekend, to a windy as well. stay mild

for christmas day. but turning for christmas day. but turning for all of us by boxing day .

no spin, no , no censorship. i'm no spin, no, no censorship. i'm dawn neesom in for dan wootton tonight now behind . every door tonight now behind. every door on the worst advent calendar history. the strike strikes and more strikes. not even a christmas pudding to cheer myself with, to ambulance walkouts coming in the new year to a but is this and the 12 months of economic and political reason to abandon all hope or should we keep calm and carry on and make the most our current first christmas of freedom? my festive message of hope coming next in the digest . plus, all next in the digest. plus, all unions clutching at straws. get this one by claim ing government sexism is prolonging strike