good evening . good evening. i'm good evening . i'm back. this good evening. i'm back. this is dewbs& c0 good evening. i'm back. this is dewbs& co with me. emily carver . and again for the wonderful michelle to kick start your christmas weekend. now it looks like the uk government may be about show a bit of bottle about to show a bit of bottle after that appalling, controversial deeply controversial and deeply unpopular last unpopular bill was passed last night in the scottish parliament. and it's like maybe, just uk government may just maybe the uk government may actually be putting foot actually be putting its foot down and gearing up for a court battle scottish battle with the scottish government. legislate i'm talking about, of course, is the gender recognition bill which will men and women will allow men and women to self—declare their gender

without any medical diagnosis. after only living in the acquired gender for three months, whatever that means . and months, whatever that means. and it'll allow children as young as 16 to legally change their genden 16 to legally change their gender. now i can't get my head around. why on earth nicholas sturgeon has done this? done this? most scots don't want it. it dilutes what it means to be a woman, which i must say, i find thoroughly, thoroughly offensive. it women and offensive. it puts women and girls in danger, it puts the girls in danger, and it puts the rights of biology cool males above biological women. above those of biological women. absolute madness , in my view. so absolute madness, in my view. so i'll be kicking off the show by asking my panel and you at home. should westminster step up and block lunacy? perhaps block this lunacy? perhaps sensible actually be sensible scots might actually be quite pleased if they did . also, quite pleased if they did. also, rishi sunak's said today the government has acted fairly when it comes to strikes and public sector pay. he's apparently sad and disappointed that strikes are threatening to disrupt christmas. but is the government right to continue to dig in its heels pay looks to me like heels over pay looks to me like they're starting to look a tad out of touch over the whole

thing. then again, some of thing. but then again, some of the the the demands coming from the unions quite simply unions are quite simply unrealistic. what unrealistic. let me know what you on that one. and if you think on that one. and if you're travelling to see relatives over weekend, relatives over the weekend, think you've got the think again. if you've got the sniffles we're sniffles. that's what we're being health officials being told by health officials this people should this christmas. people should stay of their elderly stay clear of their elderly relatives to protect them from viruses. rather inhumane viruses. seems rather inhumane to me. we have a loneliness pandemic in this country. i'd hazard a guess that most elderly people would prefer to risk it than sit at home alone. after the misery of lockdowns. and lastly , it is christmas, after lastly, it is christmas, after all. how's the christmas card? had its day cards are getting more expensive. strikes are off putting. is it game over for that festive tradition ? now, that festive tradition? now, apparently the average person receives 17 christmas cards per year.| receives 17 christmas cards per year. i certainly haven't received that many . have you? received that many. have you? all of that to come tonight on dewbs& co with me. emily carver . and of course, i'll be revealing top notch panel in revealing my top notch panel in just moments. but first, just a few moments. but first, the news headlines. stay the latest news headlines. stay tuned . emily, thank you. good

tuned. emily, thank you. good evening. it's 6:10. i'm bethany elsey . in the evening. it's 6:10. i'm bethany elsey. in the gb evening. it's 6:10. i'm bethany elsey . in the gb newsroom, elsey. in the gb newsroom, a woman and two men have been killed and several others injured after a gunman opened fire at a kurdish community centre in paris, prompting violent protests . demonstrators violent protests. demonstrators clashed with police near to where the incident took place, expressing anger at the attack which authorities believe could be racially motivated . the be racially motivated. the french president called the incident heinous attack on the kurdish community. a 69 year old man has been detained after police have launched an investigation into murder, manslaughter and aggravated violence. it's understood the man was known to police and allegedly attacked a migrant camp last year. allegedly attacked a migrant camp last year . the health camp last year. the health secretary has called the newly announced strikes by nurses on the 18th and 19th of january

disappointing and says there are no one's best interests . the no one's best interests. the royal college of nursing says the walkouts will go ahead unless the government opens negotiations over pay. meanwhile, the gmp was called off a post—christmas strike by ambulance workers in england and wales. they'll now walk out on the 11th of january. the union's national secretary, rachel harrison, thanked the public for their support. harrison, thanked the public for their support . the harrison, thanked the public for their support. the public are deeply worried about our nhs and we are to people across the country have been incredible in backing our members and nhs workers and we care so much about them. that's why we are suspending the proposed gmb industrial action on the 28th of december. but we know the public will increase being able to enjoy christmas without any additional anxiety . so the prime additional anxiety. so the prime minister has apologised for christmas travel disruption as border force staff begin eight days of strike action today. we

want to hear what heathrow, gatwick, birmingham , cardiff, gatwick, birmingham, cardiff, glasgow and manchester airports are being affected. but heathrow claims it's operating as normal military personnel and volunteer from the civil service have been trained to step in. rishi sunak insists public sector pay must be controlled to keep down inflation. first of all, i'm really sad and disappointed about the disruption that has been caused to so many people's lives, particularly at christmas time. what i'm trying to do is make the right long term decisions for the country, for everybody's benefit . and i think everybody's benefit. and i think we all know that the major economic we face economic challenge we all face now inflation. it's inflation now is inflation. it's inflation that's eating into everyone's pay that's eating into everyone's pay rising the cost pay packets is rising the cost of living. and i want to make sure we reduce inflation. sure that we reduce inflation. part that is being part of that is being responsible when it comes to setting sector pay. setting public sector pay. gb news airlines are news understands airlines are facing millions of extra fuel costs as they deal with likely long delays during the border

force strike. british airways is one of a number of airlines instructing its pilots to take on additional fuel to help cope with holding in the skies for up to an extra hour. a senior aviation source said the captain urgency plans were essential but extremely costly . the prime extremely costly. the prime minister says it's completely reasonable for the uk government to consider blocking new gender legislation in scotland . rishi legislation in scotland. rishi sunak's comments come after msps voted yesterday to pass the gender recognition reform bill. it lowers the age when people can apply to change their legal gender from 18 to 16. it also removes the need for a medical diagnosis . hollyrood has warned diagnosis. hollyrood has warned any attempted intervention from the uk government will be vigorously contested . a powerful vigorously contested. a powerful arctic storm is sweeping across large parts of the us and canada with temperatures plunging as low as minus 45 degrees. experts are warning exposure to bare

skin could lead to frostbite within minutes. more than 100 million people are under weather alerts during the busiest travel days of the year. the storm is forecast to develop into what's being described as a bomb cyclone, bringing with it heavy, blinding snow. cyclone, bringing with it heavy, blinding snow . motorists are blinding snow. motorists are being warned to expect long delays as millions hit the road to spend christmas with friends and family. the aa says today will be the busiest day of the festive period with an estimated 17 million journeys being made across the uk. a strike tomorrow by thousands of rmt members working at network rail is expected to make matters worse. the walkout will last until the 27th of december. and george cohen , part of england's 1966 cohen, part of england's1966 world cup, winning team, has died at the age of 83. cohen played every minute of the victorious campaign on home soil and in total won 37 caps for his country. his former club, fulham, announced his death this morning . we're on tv online in

morning. we're on tv online in derby plus radio. this is gb news. now let's get back to jeeves and cope with . jeeves and cope with. emily thank you very much. welcome to dewbs & co with me, emily carver. dewbs& co with me, emily carver. now i'll introduce my panel for this evening. we've got paul embry, who is a fireman, a trade unionist and an author , and unionist and an author, and david curtin, who is the leader of the heritage party. now, remember, i also want to know your thoughts throughout the show on all of those issues that i introduced just then on that gender recognition bill from scotland. should westminster step in and block it or would that perhaps be playing into nicola sturgeon's hands? i'm not sure on that one. get in touch with me. vaiews@gbnews.uk or on twitter at gb news. so i want to kick things off with something that has been puzzling and enraging me in equal measure,

just as i said, we've been reporting all week from scotland where nicola sturgeon's snp has passed controversial passed a hugely controversial bill, to say the least. the bill will allow women and will allow men, women and teenagers as young 16 to teenagers as young as 16 to self—identify as the opposite gender without any need for a medical diagnosis. now there's talk though that the uk government could step in and block the legislation. the prime minister has said that the government is a close government is taking a close look at the bill and the secretary of state scotland, secretary of state for scotland, alister issued alisterjack, has issued a statement raising the possibility that he could invoke powers block from powers to block the bill from going for assent . and going for royal assent. and essentially the scottish essentially take the scottish government to court . david, government to court. david, should we be calling on the government to block this bill? yeah, absolutely. it's an insane bill and not many people in scotland actually want it. it seems that the scottish parliament has been taken over by a group of cultural marxists who are in hock to some very, very aggressive trans activists which are not small in number and they want to impose their

will on the rest of society and just completely change what our societal norms look. there are two sexes, male and female , and two sexes, male and female, and your sex is determined . your your sex is determined. your biological sex is determined by your anatomy and by your chromosomes. but over the last 50 or 60 years, people have developed this concept of gender that was introduced by some really crazy academics in the 19505. really crazy academics in the 1950s. and this idea has been mainstream that there's something called gender that is different to biological sex. so there's not two genders, there's 100 different genders, but you can change your gender whenever you want. and now you've got the scottish parliament saying, well, whenever you decide, even if you know , 16 over, if you're, you know, 16 or over, you can say that your male , if you can say that your male, if you're actually female or female, if you're actually male, the whole thing doesn't make any sense to anyone with a sound mind. so if the government in westminster can overturn this, good for them, they should do it . do you think that sex and gender are two different things? paul well, mean , either paul well, i mean, either a

controversial question is a controversial question is a controversial question. i mean, sex for me is immutable. biological sex . i mean, when as biological sex. i mean, when as you said in the introduction, people in order to obtain a gender recognition certificate, so they have to live within that gender for a certain amount of time. and what does that actually mean? what does it mean to in order prove that to say in order to prove that you're a woman , you have live you're a woman, you have to live as a woman for three months or to wear dress , which is to wear a dress, which is a thing. do do wear pink? do thing. do you do wear pink? do you wear your hair in flats? do you wear your hair in flats? do you play with dolls? i mean, surely the point of surely the whole point of breaking gender breaking down those gender stereotypes women and stereotypes is that women and girls categorised girls weren't categorised in that and could actually move that way and could actually move into occupy women's industries, hobbies, pastimes that once upon a time were denied to them because they were type. you know, things are for boys know, these things are for boys and men my fear really emily and men and my fear really emily is women's struggle over recent decades where women of genuinely fought for equality that fought for privacy, that fought for security in public spaces in the workplace and so on, is in

dangenl workplace and so on, is in danger. i think, of being on pix all of those advancements that women won are in danger of now and travelling as a result of what i see as a barking, mad piece of legislation which ultimately , as david said, ultimately, as david said, renders the whole concepts of womanhood effective , fairly womanhood effective, fairly meaningless. well, that's what that's what pains me the most out of all of this, not just the safety concerns or the privacy concerns as you mentioned, is just fundamentally diluting what it means to be a woman . if you it means to be a woman. if you are legally a woman , because you are legally a woman, because you have essentially worn a dress for three months or whatever else that shows you are female in gender, suddenly, according to the law, you are a woman and on equal footing with the women in many, many ways that just seems absolutely absurd . but seems absolutely absurd. but some people liken this whole thing to the campaign for gay rights . do you thing to the campaign for gay rights. do you think thing to the campaign for gay rights . do you think those two rights. do you think those two are comparable? no i think it's aninqu are comparable? no i think it's an insult to gay people,

actually who fought for liberation , fought for equality liberation, fought for equality for so long to say that actually this is exactly the same thing. it's clearly not the same thing at all. i think there are clearly here , first of all, you clearly here, first of all, you know, as i said , it renders know, as i said, it renders a concept of womanhood meaningless . also a husband and . but also as a husband and a father, the idea that i would want my daughter to be in a pubuc want my daughter to be in a public space, in a changing room , for example, and somebody who is clearly still a biological male. but no, you know , decides male. but no, you know, decides on a particular day to declare himself to be a woman and therefore thinks that he has the right to access those spaces. i mean, i think any ordinary husband and father is going to be concerned about that, about the impact on women's safety. so, i mean, thank goodness with people like j.k. rowling and helen joyce and people who have stood up against what i think and i think we can all agree, is total madness. but coming back total madness. but coming back to the issue of nicholas sturgeon and what putting in and

from westminster might do, do sturgeon and what putting in and fronthink:minster might do, do sturgeon and what putting in and fronthink that ;ter might do, do sturgeon and what putting in and fronthink that wouldght do, do sturgeon and what putting in and fronthink that wouldght ddoio sturgeon and what putting in and fronthink that wouldght ddo you you think that would how do you think would go down in think that would go down in scotland? well she would play it politically and she would say, well, this is england , well, this is england, westminster interfering with scotland. and therefore is scotland. and therefore there is a scottish independ. a case for scottish independ. it's think we got to it's well, i think we got to look at this issue separately. this is nothing to do with scottish this scottish independence. this is about fundamental reality of about the fundamental reality of nature, and what we nature, of humanity and what we are as men and women. and this is more important than, you know, worrying about what nicholas sturgeon might say about scottish independence. if we have the power to use and to stop this and i think maybe we need to save scotland at this point, i think a lot of scots be happy, maybe just weakening some very interesting emails in from you at home. so i'm just going to read out a couple and we can we can react to those. gareth in bridgend says, i suspect sturgeon has rushed this bill through westminster through knowing westminster would . this would react negatively. this gives sturgeon the perfect launch pad to tell scots, how dare they? we need independence to make our own decisions. i

agree with you, gareth. it agree with you, gareth. if it weren't the fact that most weren't for the fact that most scots to support this scots don't seem to support this bill. well, this is. this is the thing. i mean, there's a danger here nicholas sturgeon here that nicholas sturgeon in here that nicholas sturgeon in her herself to be her rush to prove herself to be the radically progressive the most radically progressive leader scotland and the leader in in scotland and the snp, the most radically progressive party, have overplayed their hand to some degree, because i can't imagine that people in scotland are actually much difference. actually that much difference. people expect a lot people in england expect a lot of in scotland of people in scotland are probably looking at this kind of stuff. voters in stuff. mainstream voters in scotland thinking , hold scotland and thinking, oh, hold on second, does not on a second, this does not resonate me. i've got real resonate with me. i've got real concerns this because it concerns about this because it seems to me to have been a fringe issue for some years now . it seems to have been a very vocal but well—organised minority , very well organised. minority, very well organised. these are, you know, claiming project this claiming discrimination and actually the argument that trans people are some of the most discriminated against in our society is fundamentally not true . fundamentally not true. actually, when you look at the stats, it's not actually true. let's talk about how hate crimes

against transgender have against transgender people have risen, explained by risen, but that's explained by by kind of reporting by improved kind of reporting method and more awareness method and more social awareness and things like that. there and things like that. and there are no actually, when you think about it, there are no riots that trans people don't have that trans people don't have that people have. so that that other people have. so we need to kind of get this in perspective. and i'm not sure actually say that other actually how we say that other forms of cultural appropriation are unacceptable , but when it are unacceptable, but when it comes to women, we say no, it's absolutely fine. so don't address . and to wear high heels address. and to wear high heels and to wake up one morning and say, i'm a woman and i know what it's like to be a woman. but when we talk about blackface, for example, say that's for example, people say that's completely do completely unacceptable. why do we exemption for women? we make an exemption for women? why do say that it's so why do we say that it's so meaningless that anybody can just a woman? it's just just become a woman? it's just totally stereotype. totally plain and stereotype. which which which is which isn't it? which which is what? wanted stop what? feminists wanted to stop change. interestingly what? feminists wanted to stop cjudith, interestingly what? feminists wanted to stop cjudith, scottishinterestingly what? feminists wanted to stop cjudith, scottishinterestirshe , judith, a scottish woman, she says as a scottish woman, sunak must stop this bill. maureen says, please, please , gb news, says, please, please, gb news, can you stand up for the rights of women? children and parents and put on suella

and put pressure on suella braverman and the british government to end this transgender without any transgender law without any safety so as safety amendments? so as a scottish woman, absolutely . i scottish woman, absolutely. i mean, with these people suella braverman particularly , she says braverman particularly, she says she wants to stand up against wukari. was a speech wukari. i actually was a speech at a speech in 2019. the british group where she actually mentioned cultural marxism for the first suella suella braverman said that in a speech she said for many, many years she said for many, many years she wants to fight this and stand up for it. well this is your time, braverman . your time, suella braverman. this time. rishi sunak. this is your time. rishi sunak. i mean, the fact is, well, i just got lost her play. yeah, just got lost on her play. yeah, true. but i mean, well, whoever's got to the by whoever's got to make the by kemi badenoch has already spoken on. party the on. this is a party the conservative party in westminster so westminster that has been so non—conservative , so anti non—conservative, so anti conservative, really . i think conservative, really. i think for most of the 12 years it's beenin for most of the 12 years it's been in power since the 2010 elections. but they always protested . they are actually protested. they are actually really genuine conservatives . really genuine conservatives. this is a chance to actually do something that is really conservative. well, you heard it

from david. i have to say, i've got no faith in the conservative party. we hear noises off sometimes we hear the likes of suella braverman stand up against it and but actually, you know, in terms the kind of know, in terms of the kind of woke that we've seen woke career that we've seen embedded within our society. now, when was it introduced? it was introduced in a conservative government. i mean, the tories have been in power for the last 12 years whatever it is, and 12 years or whatever it is, and actually that kind of hyper progressive agenda as deeper and deeper into our society . and deeper into our society. and they've been in charge. so this so you know, they haven't pushed back against it as far as i can see. whenever, whenever they're called to challenge some called upon to challenge some of the radical that are the more radical things that are implemented society, they implemented in our society, they never do seem to be fair, never really do seem to be fair, though to be fair in scotland, labour have been totally 100% complicit the sounds of it. complicit by the sounds of it. with bill going through, with this bill going through, they don't seem to have started up. i've seen the likes of j.k. rowling pleading, pleading with the labour party to actually stand up against this bill because there are not enough conservatives up scotland to

conservatives up in scotland to do so. as we've seen part of that, emily, because, look, that, emily, is because, look, the we have the truth is we have got a generation of politicians and these days are absolutely these days who are absolutely petrified no to petrified of saying no to a vocal minority who are claiming prejudice and discrimination, and sometimes you do have to say, particularly in a case like this, where the rights that are being demand made are likely to impact in a negative way on the rights of other groups. people you have to say on this occasion, you know what, you're wrong. going accept wrong. we're not going to accept it. to do what it. we're not going to do what you but because we've got you want. but because we've got politicians who petrified of politicians who are petrified of being called nasty names on twitter, they haven't got the backbone that's the backbone to do it. that's the truth it. well, it's quite truth of it. well, it's quite interesting said interesting what adrian has said to sheffield. he says to david in sheffield. he says the need to the the scots need to know the powers in their hands if they agree the insanity agree with the woke insanity vote. they don't, then vote. snp if they don't, then find an alternative candidate . find an alternative candidate. so essentially i think he's what he's saying is that snp have proven themselves that they are insane in this respect and in adrian's words, and therefore that might force a change of government. so perhaps it's a

good thing. i hope so. unfortunately the last scottish elections think , 2021, elections were, i think, 2021, isn't it? so there's not going to any more elections in the to be any more elections in the scottish parliament until 2026. so they've got a long time to wait. so, i mean so actually with this is really going to be the case that the westminster government intervenes now because a chance to because there isn't a chance to vote another. and vote them out for another. and so happens , i hope, so when that happens, i hope, well, be party well, there will be new party standing. we be standing by standing. we will be standing by scotland maybe with you before scotland, maybe with you before you go to the westminster government may have no option but to intervene because if it can be demonstrated that this law in scotland clearly does control wide laws in control laws, uk wide laws in terms of the equality act 2010, for example, they will have to intervene, will intervene, their hand will be forced balance for forced to give some balance for the other point is that the other point of view is that many people who have campaigned for this change would argue that the act protects women, the equality act protects women, and with this legislation, and even with this legislation, in so far as places are allowed to still be divided in terms of sex, you can still have prisons that are based on sex, not

gender and so on and so forth . gender and so on and so forth. but the problem is, is that so many institutions are indoctrinated with this ideology that they don't wish to be sex based any more, as we saw with how what happened when j.k. rowling said that she was opening up a women only refuge for only biological women, she got a lot of heat for that . jeff got a lot of heat for that. jeff has said the reason she and her misguided following have pushed this legislation through is so that she can claim interference from the uk government when they stop that's a good stop it. i think that's a good point. but of course the scots don't support either. at don't support it either. at least majority don't. gary least the majority don't. gary says obvious that sturgeon says it's obvious that sturgeon has a bill has purposefully chosen a bill that is likely that westminster is likely to overturn again . she can then overturn again. she can then claim that scotland is unable to pass own laws and therefore pass its own laws and therefore engineer support for another referendum. i mean, it's a compelling argument, but i'm not sure in the case of this bill because this is a deeply controversial and disliked bill janine says would you be happy if your wife or daughter whilst

in a women only changing room shower, was confronted by a naked biological man asserting that he was a woman ? no, i don't that he was a woman? no, i don't think i would happy. i don't think i would be happy. i don't have a daughter yet, but i certainly wouldn't be happy. i think lot of men are worried think a lot of men are worried for daughters. actually for their daughters. actually yeah. have every yeah. and they have every right to know, do wonder how to be. you know, i do wonder how many of these msps voted the many of these msps who voted the legislation do have legislation through do have young daughters? i suspect not. many of them do, because if they did have, i think they would have thought about have probably thought about it. i think ideology blinds i think ideology just blinds people i said, you people maybe. and as i said, you know, cowardice in terms of being called nasty names. but i think it's entirely think it's an entirely legitimate to say. look, legitimate thing to say. look, as as the father of a child, i female daughter , i do not want female daughter, i do not want my daughter to be compelled to share what, in my view, should be a single sex base for women with biological men , regardless with biological men, regardless of whether or however they identify if it shouldn't happen. and i would stand against it. and i would stand against it. and i would stand against it. and i think most fathers would in this country i'm very sorry. i'm not going to be able to come

back to you on this one, because coming up, rishi sunak has said the government has been fair and reasonable over strikes, but they be going they don't seem to be going away. we'll get away. stay tuned. we'll get stuck that .

yes. welcome back to dewbs& co with me. emily carver with me until seven. my fabulous panel , until seven. my fabulous panel, paul embry, who is a farmer and trade unionist and author , and trade unionist and author, and david kirton, who is the leader of the heritage party . now, of the heritage party. now, we've still got lots of emails and tweets coming through on the gender recognition bill, whether westminster should button and try to block this bill from going through in scotland that would allow men to self—identify as women and vice versa . chris

as women and vice versa. chris says hopefully the shameful move by nicholas sturgeon and her cronies to diminish women's rights and put women and girls at increased risk of violence will be the start of the end for her in policy. i mean, we did talk about boris johnson as being teflon man, but she does seem to be teflon woman . kenny seem to be teflon woman. kenny says, i am scottish and i hate the mad snp . think you speak for the mad snp. think you speak for a lot of scots. you know i'm half scottish myself and i must say a lot of my family up there. certainly are not fans of ms. sturgeon. call her all sturgeon. they call her all sorts of names, which i won't repeat on the television . nigel repeat on the television. nigel says, no, we should not intervene. is playing into sturgeon's hand. let her make herself unpopular with the scottish electorate. then they'll boot her out. yes it's a good point. but we do have a little while to go before that's even a possibility. and there are a lot of people who just are obsessed with independence up in scotland who will for her, scotland who will vote for her, whatever she does. it seems at least, and she's very good at spin. she that woman. anyway, spin. she is that woman. anyway, we're to be moving on to

we're going to be moving on to strikes. i know you're all bored of quite of strikes, but there is quite a lot going on. and i want to know your view on whether rishi sunak is handling this all correctly or coming across perhaps or if he's coming across perhaps as little arrogant. he as a little bit arrogant. he says the government has been fair on public fair and reasonable on public sector fair and sector pay, but however fair and reasonable, he's been, the strikes, course, show no strikes, of course, show no signs dying down. the signs of dying down. the ambulance service has called off strikes on the 28th of december because of christmas , and because of christmas, and they're worried about how that looks but they will be going looks. but they will be going ahead with walkouts in january, along maybe along with nurses and maybe even doctors. so let's have a listen to what she had to say earlier today. to what she had to say earlier today . i'm really sad and today. i'm really sad and disappointed about the disruption that is being caused to so many people's lives, particularly at christmas time. you know, when it comes to schools, it is difficult. question of setting public sector pay. the government has acted fairly and reasonably in accepting all the recommendations of the public sector pay review bodies . that's sector pay review bodies. that's an independent process. the government has listened to

people . does your heart melt people. does your heart melt when you hear that? rishi sunak is sad and disappointed ? my is sad and disappointed? my heart never melts when i see rishi sunak coming on the television. i have to say this he looks so sweet standing there in the soup kitchen or wherever he is , looks can be deceptive he is, looks can be deceptive because he may look sweet on the surface, but underneath i think the actions that his government are taking on the lack of action , should say that his , i should say that his government taking in government are taking in relation to these strikes are causing a of misery, a lot relation to these strikes are ca what a of misery, a lot relation to these strikes are ca what shouldf misery, a lot relation to these strikes are ca what should he isery, a lot relation to these strikes are ca what should he be y, a lot relation to these strikes are ca what should he be doing? of what should he be doing? i think government you need to think as government you need to intervene. a point, intervene. we've got to a point, i in these strikes where i think in these strikes where when it has such an impact on the country and the ability of the country and the ability of the country and the ability of the country to function, you know, whether it's the health service, whether it's the transport it's transport system, whether it's the emergency services and so on. i the emergency services and so on.i any the emergency services and so on. i any government needs on. i think any government needs to get a grip of the situation and say, actually, if we need to intervene order make sure intervene in order to make sure there's money on table there's more money on the table for these essential for some of these essential workers a decent pay workers to have a decent pay increase. and so that they don't experience some the problems

experience some of the problems that you know, a that are being, you know, as a result of cost of living result of the cost of living crisis and people to crisis and people struggling to pay crisis and people struggling to pay mortgages, pay their mortgages, their energy if energy bills, worrying about if they afford christmas they can afford christmas presents and presents for their children and so government has got so on. the government has got the wherewithal to intervene in that way if it chooses to so. that way if it chooses to do so. but has chosen not to so. and but has chosen not to do so. and in view, this anger not in my view, this anger is not going go. not going to going to go. it's not going to going to go. it's not going to go the anger that led to go away. the anger that led to these isn't going to these strikes isn't going to dissipate. we dissipate. yeah, well, we haven't known haven't exactly known rishi sunak his fiscal restraint sunak for his fiscal restraint over the course of the pandemic. he's now desperately trying to convince the public that he can handle the public finances , get handle the public finances, get inflation under control . david, inflation under control. david, where's is the balance here? well, i mean, that's the point, isn't it? i mean, much of the problem is rishi sunak's fault, because he was so fiscally irresponsible over the two years of the lockdown period, the billions and billions going into contracts. and we don't know whether things bought in the course of this keeps reoccurring this the congress huge waste of money he borrowed for this the congress huge waste of money he borrowed fo r £100

money he borrowed for £100 billion plus so that's in you know that's baking in 1020 , 25% know that's baking in 1020, 25% inflation we got inflation this year of 10. now, normally, i would be, you know, being on the right of politics, i would immediately under automatically need you. i can only say no, the unions are wrong. strikes are wrong. but actually, in this case , i can see the point case, i can see the point because rishi sunak has messed up so much with the economy because we got 10% inflation. now, if you give workers a pay rise of less than 10% when there's 10% inflation, they have a real terms pay cut. the nhs are getting a pay rise. the pensioners have got a pay rise , pensioners have got a pay rise, welfare people have got a pay rise . he's spending loads of rise. he's spending loads of money splashing out money to ukraine. on migrant, at money splashing out money to ukraine. on migrant , at hotels, ukraine. on migrant, at hotels, on diversity officers , on on diversity officers, on foreign aid. but people are saying , well, what about the saying, well, what about the workers in this country? i do worry the other workers , worry about the other workers, you know, working in the you know, those working in the private sector who aren't getting inflation busting pay rises necessary. i'd say that

just quickly. he's only responsible , really, for responsible, really, for negotiating for workers who are employed in the public . no, i employed in the public. no, i know, but they have to. the other workers have to pay for it all, do they not? i think no, i don't think they're being taxed more and more and more. i don't think necessarily they do. i think necessarily they do. i think there's huge scope for example, for a wealth tax which could of could bring in billions of pounds from the richest pounds on the from the richest people society, people within society, progressive which do progressive taxation which we do next well next year you tax wealth. well hopefully year hopefully smaller next year there's wealth tax. there's less wealth to tax. well, inflation won't well, hopefully inflation won't the next what it is this the next year what it is this yeah the next year what it is this year. but let's be blunt, year. but let's let's be blunt, emily, the super rich have always puts up arguments against being more . they always being taxed more. they always claim that they will take their funds and their wealth abroad and for me, that's holding the country to ransom in a way that union members are often accused of holding the country to ransom. so know, it's funny, ransom. so you know, it's funny, isn't how we find isn't it? how we can find billions pounds at the drop billions of pounds at the drop of a hat during lockdown, for example, to furlough example, to have furlough schemes , we find billions of schemes, we can find billions of pounds to go to war for, you

know, the next military escapade . whenever we need it, we can find billions of pounds when it's needed. but when it comes to a crucial support, we can't always have war time, emergency time spending . that's just i time spending. that's just i mean, tony benn always used to say, why is it that we can you know, he was a serviceman in the second world war. he always used to say, how is it we could find millions of millions of pounds to employ men, to put a to employ young men, to put on a uniform, kill germans? uniform, to go and kill germans? but can't find it we but we can't find it when we need to build hospitals, need people to build hospitals, when nurses, when we when we need nurses, when we need to give people a decent pay increase. we may people to increase. we may need people to build and the schools. build the roads and the schools. and on. so i think it's about and so on. so i think it's about priorities. i think about priorities. i think it's about saying, can do saying, well, if you can do those when you need to, those things when you need to, why can't do it in why is it you can't do it in order to be to fund a order to be able to fund a decent pay increase for people in the other people, the other thing i would say, liz, look, we're recession now and we're in a recession now and that could be long and that recession could be long and it could deep and it will be it could be deep and it will be longer and deeper if people have got despite usable income. got less, despite usable income. if look, we

if we say to people, look, we can down your pay because can hold down your pay because we're worried inflation, we're worried about inflation, well, well. but well, that's all very well. but what happens when it prolongs and the recession? and deepens the recession? because there's a demand because there's a lack of demand in the economy, where's the growth we to growth going to come? we need to worry. we need to. that's a key point. is point. think this is controversial, perhaps rethink point. think this is controofrsial, perhaps rethink point. think this is controof those )erhaps rethink point. think this is controof those very ps rethink point. think this is controof those very generous some of those very generous pubuc some of those very generous public pensions because public sector pensions because i don't know what's been revamped. some people might you know, prefer more up front pay and forgo some of their pension liabilities, perhaps people are very divided on this at home. david, richard bach says the government has not not acted fairly with the unions. it has acted arrogantly . but so says acted arrogantly. but so says most definitely. sunak's should have stayed from the ridiculous militant union demands. i'm just hoping he won't have another u—turn. he needs to carry on and ignore them. so there you go. gb viewers very divided. viewers are very much divided. yeah, of the yeah, i mean, some of the demands ridiculous. i mean, demands are ridiculous. i mean, the nurses are asking 19, the nurses are asking for 19, which twice inflation. then which is twice inflation. then when negotiate on that, i mean, we know well, that's the we know that. well, that's the thing . we've got i don't

thing. i think we've got i don't know, they've reduced negotiate but to come but you know, they need to come to sensible agreement. to some sensible agreement. but i the i understand with the rail workers unite have actually accepted an agreement but mick lynch and the rmt have refused the agreement that one of the unions accept as accepted. so there is an issue there. i mean, why can't they all get together, accept the offer that's been accept the pay offer that's been made we solve the made then we could solve the rail strikes. just worry that rail strikes. i just worry that our government is hopeless at creating environment creating an environment of fostering environment fostering an environment where there's economic growth, there's lots of economic growth, because what we need to because that's what we need to fund our public services, and that's what we haven't had, or at had slow, at least we've had very slow, stagnant growth for so long. well, it's true. we do need if you tax people too much, then you tax people too much, then you lose that. no look, i'm not i'm suggesting you tax people. and so the pipsqueak, as a former labour chancellor, then he said once said , but i do he said once said, but i do think there is definitely scope for a progressive taxation system which takes more from the rich and the super rich. we do have a tax system is not progressive enough and i think there's scope for a wealth tax

which as i said, would bring in billions pounds in one in billions of pounds in one in order to fund public services. and some of these arguments, i think, because, think, need to be made because, you this this is what you know, this this is what i fundamentally think wrong fundamentally think you're wrong because looked at wealth because i've looked at wealth taxes with an mind and they taxes with an open mind and they have been implement it in various different guises in countries like france. what happened the very rich people left . they hit their assets. it left. they hit their assets. it was a bureaucratic nightmare because they tried to analyse the wealth of people down to their paintings. the wealth of people down to their paintings . we were in their paintings. we were in there how to go after them, don't we? if they are exploited in loopholes and if they are finding a way not to pay tax when they are much richer than the rest of us, and we don't turn a blind eye and say, okay, you know, threaten you know, they'll threaten they'll hide their they'll threaten to hide their assets. they'll threaten to hide their assets . so therefore, assets. so therefore, we shouldn't if that was an shouldn't do it. if that was an ordinary on the street, who ordinary joe on the street, who was embezzling. so what was he was embezzling. so what you social security payments, they have their collar they would have their collar felt stolen rather than the redistribution. but that's something this ideological point. yeah, i would totally

diverge from paul on this . i diverge from paul on this. i think we could agree that workers should have a pay fair, fair pay deal, but to fund that, it shouldn't come from wealth taxes because you say, emily, taxes because as you say, emily, if increase tax on the if you increase tax on the highest earners, they just go abroad, you're going to less abroad, you're going to get less rather than more. actually if you decrease the top rates of tax like, you know, there's one thing i do agree with liz truss on. i don't agree with much of oh no, it's much by reducing the 45% rate of tax to 40, you would actually more in the long actually more tax in the long run because people work run because people will work harder because they're more motivated more . and then motivated to earn more. and then they would actually, ironically pay they would actually, ironically pay more. it's just so pay more. paul it's just so politically toxic very quickly . politically toxic very quickly. paul so tell me this, david. why is it that when a union member goes on strike, they are often accused by people on the right in the newspapers holding the in the newspapers of holding the country to ransom and in the scenario you just pitched, they're is told they're a rich person is told that or she has to pay more that he or she has to pay more tax. fine, i'm going i'm tax. oh, fine, i'm going to i'm going the country. i'm going to flee the country. i'm going to flee the country. i'm going to flee the country. i'm going to take my capsule elsewhere. not

elsewhere. why is that not holding? seen doctors holding? we've seen doctors going what's going to australia. what's holding ransom? holding the country to ransom? well, they're free to do so. you go. what you do you want go. what do you do you want capital so we i mean, capital controls. so we i mean, if you have capital controls , if you have capital controls, there's freedom whatsoever. there's no freedom whatsoever. what is we need what you're saying is we need all limits. indulge the all limits. if we indulge the demands of the rich, whenever they to their they threaten to move their assets and their wealth and their say we say we their capital, we say we say we need these people to manage the west when it's a nurse or west life when it's a nurse or a railway a firefighter taking railway or a firefighter taking strike say, oh, strike action, we say, oh, they're holding the country. well, i said that and i'm on the right. i'm actually agreeing with you on the should have a fair point. but what my point is very david serve very quickly david serve means that taxes to that if you decrease taxes to for the richest they actually pay for the richest they actually pay more. nothing was debunked two years ago. he wrote on the back of a napkin in the new york astronomical in no astronomical rubbish. but in no more laffer curve. although i do really enjoy disagreement really enjoy this disagreement here , let me what you here, let me know what you think. you think welfare? think. do you think welfare? welfare. wealth taxes are welfare. taxes, wealth taxes are a idea ? should they be able a good idea? should they be able to pay for pay rises in the pubuc to pay for pay rises in the public sector? or do you think

they're nonsense and they're a nonsense and won't work and never work? tried and tested. never work? tried and tested. never work anyway. we're going to have to move on. coming up. well, you avoid your elderly relative if you have of the you have a touch of the sniffles. seems rather inhumane to but what public to me. but that's what public health officials are saying. stay .

yes. welcome back to dewbs& co with me. emily carver with me until seven and my panel, paul embry is a farmer and trade unionist and author. and david curtin, he's the leader of the heritage party. most of you have been getting in touch throughout the. paul well tax to fund the. paul says, well tax to fund strike his wages. i feel like i'm reliving the 1970s that ended well. oh well actually in the 1970s, most families could get by on the wages of a single wage earner. most people could afford a house, a car, a decent houday.

afford a house, a car, a decent holiday . so the seventies holiday. so the seventies weren't great, but i think some people considering the financial plight they're experiencing at the moment, wouldn't mind sending the clock back, to be honest. well, i'm not sure about that. day weeks and all that. three day weeks and all and. outages. outages . and. outages. power outages. rubbish on streets. although rubbish on the streets. although perhaps that's what we're heading winter. perhaps that's what we're heading winter . so this heading for this winter. so this says whilst i agree, everyone should right to strike should have the right to strike for better wages . i ask for their better wages. i ask the question why now ? lot of the the question why now? lot of the people in this country done to deserve have christmas taken deserve to have christmas taken from them again soon actually carry on as he is. it's not fair for people like us who haven't seen their grandchildren two years and paul says another poll when workers suffered austerity pandemic and the mpc voting themselves large pay rises, why shouldn't they ask for rises that keep up with inflation ? and that keep up with inflation? and meanwhile, our various prime ministers strutting the world stage , giving our money away. stage, giving our money away. yes perhaps it is a question of political price authorities, but i do my eye on that extreme debt

burden that this country is suffering, and we need to get it . we need to get it down somehow very quickly. we've also got emails still coming through on the gender recognition bill in scotland. should westminster button and block it? says i may not agree with the gender bill, but i also strongly disagree . but i also strongly disagree. westminster butting in on our affairs . fair enough. i mean, affairs. fair enough. i mean, it's one more argument for scottish independence . you're scottish independence. you're that way inclined. it would show that way inclined. it would show that westminster can't keep its thoughts to itself at least. anyway, we're going to move to on a new story. health officials aren't giving up on telling us what to do in this first covid free christmas for several years. they're warning that if you have cold or a cough, you you have a cold or a cough, you should avoid visiting elderly relatives altogether the relatives altogether during the festive season . this is because festive season. this is because there's been surge in winter there's been a surge in winter viruses putting hospital wards under huge pressure. i mean it does seem like when i've been travelling and on the train that absolutely everyone on the

carriage i happen be in carriage that i happen to be in is suffering from some kind of cough sneeze, like symptoms cough sneeze, flu like symptoms , saying public health officials should just butt out a bit when it comes to these basic decisions. this is the nanny state in action. again, is no. i think most people are adults and should like adults should be treated like adults and who knows you and everyone who knows if you got bad cough, a bad cold, you got a bad cough, a bad cold, you feel bad and ill. you stay at home and you don't sneeze on people and you don't call on people. to be people. people don't need to be told. something that told. that is something that people will just anyway. and people will just do anyway. and the know are going the people, you know are going to inconsiderate do it to be inconsiderate and do it anyway going to listen to be inconsiderate and do it an anay going to listen to be inconsiderate and do it an an announcement] to listen to be inconsiderate and do it an an announcement from sten to be inconsiderate and do it an an announcement from they to be inconsiderate and do it an an announcement from the uk to an announcement from the uk health security agency, as they say. i mean , they just need to say. i mean, they just need to like stop treating us like kids. you know, do worry, paul, that you know, i do worry, paul, that , you know, this is an excuse for and uncaring family members to say, oh, no, we're not going to say, oh, no, we're not going to visit granny, sorry, we can't visit you because we've got a little cough and we've got a loneliness pandemic in this country . and, you know, some country. and, you know, some people are looking for any

excuse not to go their relatives perhaps . and i suspect many perhaps. and i suspect many elderly people would themselves oppose this edict for, as you say, reasons of loneliness, for reasons of the fact that over the last three years, because of lockdown and so many of them wouldn't have seen their relatives as often, as often as they otherwise have done . they otherwise might have done. i of loneliness i think the issue of loneliness at christmas is a serious one. i can't imagine many elderly people , given the choice of people, given the choice of spending christmas alone, watching the tv, find themselves and having relatives come to see them, albeit those relatives . them, albeit those relatives. people would say , well, no, i'm people would say, well, no, i'm happy to spend christmas alone. do we have a can? so elderly people, when we make these sort of recommendations . so it's just of recommendations. so it's just a good thing do . you know, of recommendations. so it's just a goo�*higher do . you know, of recommendations. so it's just a goo�*higher powers, you know, of recommendations. so it's just a goo�*higher powers, these now, these higher powers, these so—called experts giving their one sided view that only views things in terms of, you know, virus and i think there's danger where, you know, we've got a culture where we find it almost impossible now to quantify risk

in a sensible way. life is sometimes a risk. sometimes you do things that are risk risky, but you do it because it's worthwhile. b there might be a benefit in doing so if this kind of safety is that the into our society where if anything presents a risk, you will have somebody an authority somewhere saying don't do it. actually, i think that to a kind of very nice trip, an adventurous, sterile , fragmented and atomised sterile, fragmented and atomised society. i remember, i think it was in new labour years, if we use political terms to describe different eras when the whole health and safety stuff came about and always the front page of the daily mail or something would be about the madness that is health and safety. and so may i just say and ignore is health and safety. and so may ijust say and ignore it, is health and safety. and so may i just say and ignore it, she said. quite the reverse of what we've been saying. she said, i'd rather be alone with tv and the cat than be surrounded by coughing, snivelling friends and family. want to catch family. i don't want to catch a cold, or covid just to eat cold, flu or covid just to eat a glorified roast lunch. well, i

know you don't sound too cheerful . points of view? yes. cheerful. points of view? yes. that's up to her. that's totally up to different people are going to approach things in different ways. absolutely but the government should bottom out and stop trying to tell people what to do and micromanaging people's lives. really? you got any there ? she wants to be alone at christmas. fine enjoy the television. enjoy a roast chicken or something . other chicken or something. other people might be happy with their sneezing relatives . yes. i don't sneezing relatives. yes. i don't know how old samantha. i don't know how old samantha. i don't know how old cynthia is, but i don't think it was cynthia. actually, i think it was annie. i can't remember. i would push back a little bit against, you know, the idea that there is an health and safety culture, which is completely unnecessary. i mean, i think actually in the workplace there have been over the overseas decades, there have been health and safety laws that have been introduced. absolutely correctly, in my view, and which ultimately have saved lives, where been given where workers have been given decent that they decent protections that they didn't previously have, you know, a proper personal

protective equipment. and so on. and yes some people will dismiss that as red tape bureaucracy and completely unnecessary . completely unnecessary. actually, some red tape is important . i actually, some red tape is important. i mean, the best example i could use is grenfell tower, where there wasn't enough red tape. and as a result of the lack of red tape, things were allowed happen that tower, allowed to happen to that tower, which ultimately resulted in dozens of deaths. so red tape is sometimes necessary, but we shouldn't always reject the idea that one should be too ideological about red tape ideological about all red tape and all regulation. certainly not, certainly needs not, but it certainly needs to be a balance. sorry . be a balance. david, sorry. we're to have to go we're just going to have to go to brilliant to some of these brilliant comments i'm getting in and says, after the covid scandal, these officials should these health officials should keep opinions to and keep the expert opinions to and winston says, not see my elderly relatives never . they've all relatives never. they've all said they'd rather be dead. i took my gran out and i'm looking after her myself. i'll never be held hostage. these people again. absolutely i mean, it was appalling what's happened in the last years when we saw last two years when we saw people homes not people stuck in care homes not allowed to see their relatives, you know , basically

you know, basically living a prison like existence for weeks and months and months on end because of regulations that we now know were unnecessary . but now know were unnecessary. but one of the things that they did say in this is not just about isolating they were isolating yourself. they were saying you should wear masks again you. oh, yes, i saw again if you. oh, yes, i saw that. yes. you've got any kind of cough or or whatever. of cough or cold or whatever. look, mean, the whole idea of look, i mean, the whole idea of wearing stop transit of wearing masks to stop transit of a virus that's been debunked you don't need it. it doesn't do anything . it's maybe a anything. it's just maybe a mental blank it over your face, more for your minds than actually do anything medical actually to do anything medical or scientific. also transmission. so let's just give up the whole idea of masks to do those at home. you do only live once, so you know, you have to take a bit of risk in your life, surely. but be sensible. don't cough over your elderly relatives or one another anyway. and especially not have it come here. still send here. do you still send a christmas card? i haven't received very many. if you work ones, maybe, maybe one from my mum, but not from all my friends. at least few people are

doing these do you doing it these days. do you think tradition is on think the annual tradition is on its legs .

yes. welcome back to , dewbs& co yes. welcome back to, dewbs& co with me. emily carver me reintroduce my panel for the last section of this evening's show. paul who's a farmer and trade unionist and an author, and david curtain, of course , and david curtain, of course, who's the leader of the heritage party. i'm just going to go to a few of your responses, your emails, tweets before we emails, your tweets before we get our conversation get onto our final conversation about cause i haven't about christmas, cause i haven't received sadly. have you . received many, sadly. have you. we've seen on issue of public advice about how we shouldn't visit elderly relatives if we've got a cough or a sniffle. cynthia says, here we, go again. protect the nhs . if the nhs was protect the nhs. if the nhs was run properly and stop wasting money paid for those who work them a wage and got rid them a decent wage and got rid of managers, might work. of managers, it might work. strong stuff there for cynthia.

i you sent in another i think you sent in another email actually on something else. thank tuning in. else. thank you for tuning in. right. we're going to move in. move to our final move in move on to our final topic . it's the annual christmas topic. it's the annual christmas tradition often prompts tradition that often prompts a few signing potentially few groans, signing potentially hundreds christmas cards to hundreds of christmas cards to send out to friends, acquaintances, loved ones, and paying acquaintances, loved ones, and paying stamps. but is paying for the stamps. but is the sending of christmas cards dying people dying out? more and more people are other of are using other means of communication, course, communication, of course, to send message. send a christmas message. and the strikes aren't the postal strikes aren't helping either. paul, where do you stand on this great christmas card tradition? have you received many? i've received a but because of postal a few. but because of the postal strikes, probably not as many as unions say. but my brother's one of those postal workers, all blame him. or it might be that nobody sent me any of his shares, and that could be it. possibly no, think that we possibly no, i think that we are look, we're abandoning tradition in that's a pretty in this country. that's a pretty rapid rate . i tend to think that rapid rate. i tend to think that this is one of those small traditions that we should stick with rather than dispense with the carols. yeah i quite like the carols. yeah i quite like the idea. look, you , whether

the idea. look, you, whether people celebrate christmas or not, i quite like the idea that in this fast moving world, with all the fingertips in all the at our fingertips in terms of emails and social media and so on, that to send a christmas card, you actually need to a card from the need to buy a card from the shop, down, spend time shop, sit down, spend time writing it, put your own personal message in in your personal message in it, in your own handwriting, romantic , and own handwriting, romantic, and take the and then take it to the postbox and then a days later or three a couple of days later or three weeks it is now, weeks later, as it is now, whatever, it turns up on someone's at other someone's doorstep at the other end country, that's quite end of the country, that's quite an all. we just getting lazy. david i think we should we should the leader the should follow the leader of the heritage party. presumably heritage party. so presumably you i love you like tradition. i love tradition. think they're tradition. i think they're wonderful. to wonderful. you know, i used to love letters and love writing letters and receiving day receiving letters in the day before email. but immediately greeting . right, exactly. and greeting. right, exactly. and i love christmas cards and getting them. i mean, what tend to do now is just send them out and give them out to people. in my immediate and in neighbours immediate and in my neighbours and people that's nice. and so on. people that's nice. yeah. and some back from yeah. and i get some back from them i have huge christmas them but i have a huge christmas card people all around card list for people all around the country. but i just haven't

got around to it this year, so don't even know my name. don't even really know my name. it's you know. it's very difficult, you know. so it. it'sjust i so i would do it. it's just i have been lazy myself. i mean, guilty as charged. so next year i'm going to have make a bit i'm going to have to make a bit of an effort. chris and georgina, presumably a georgina, who presumably are a couple, they've had couple, they say they've had 63 cards and counting. you must be very very popular. please do let me know who they were all from. friends, family, perhaps your church community. perhaps your religious community, work community. who knows? peter says hello , emily, my wife and myself hello, emily, my wife and myself send and receive about 80 cards long may the simple christmas cards survive. i do remember i did write them as a child, but since i since i've grown up, i just don't know yet, to be honest. it'sjust just don't know yet, to be honest. it's just complete laziness. could if i wanted laziness. i could if i wanted to. i could if i wanted to. sending a quick whatsapp . it's sending a quick whatsapp. it's so though, isn't it ? and so easy though, isn't it? and says bah humbug to those too lazy to write and send christmas cards. oh, we just lazy. i think that's part of me. i think that's part of me. i think that's part of it. i think technology a certain degree technology to a certain degree is lazy. i think people

is made us lazy. i think people have become so accustomed to sending sending whatsapp sending emails sending whatsapp messages as being on facebook and twitter. so on. they and twitter. and so on. they see that now normal method of that now as a normal method of communication. very rare, i communication. it's very rare, i think nowadays for people to write a letter with their own hand. and, you know, you can see that terms of some of the that in terms of some of the shocking handwriting that you see today, because see if people today, because they're to it. they're clearly not used to it. but think this is a but yeah, i think this is a tradition fighting as tradition worth fighting for. as i idea that you you i said, the idea that you you can write your own personal message in a card, you can send it to other end of the it to the other end of the country, it up. means country, picks it up. it means something. we should have a campaign back the campaign to bring back the christmas card next year with christmas. posters christmas. hopefully the posters won't be striking next year. really sorry, but we're going to have to finish thank you have to finish there. thank you very embry, of very much. paul embry, of course, trade unionist, firefighter and author, and david is the leader david curtin, who is the leader of heritage party . i'll be of the heritage party. i'll be back actually, i'm back tomorrow. actually, i'm presenter neil show while presenter neil oliver show while he's in scotland . so i'll be he's up in scotland. so i'll be back at six 8 pm. i think back at six till 8 pm. i think we've got a lot of christmas treats coming up tomorrow evening , so please do stay tuned evening, so please do stay tuned if you're in of your telly, all

your radio, that's good bye for now . good evening. your radio, that's good bye for now. good evening. i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office it's going to be a mild often blustery christmas weekend with some rain around spots by boxing day, it is going to turn colder once more. here's the bigger picture . low pressure bigger picture. low pressure dominating this weather front has made a very wet today has made for a very wet today for some. and that rain now creeping its way steadily across scotland with air here. scotland with a cold air here. there will be some over the there will be some snow over the high routes, in particular the a9 overnight rain through the central belt that should central belt and that should ease further south. few rain showers for wales, the midlands, northern england's many places for south will be dry and for the south will be dry and clear. still gusty. the winds out there through the night, perhaps further south, perhaps easing further south, but generally a pretty mild with temperatures staying above freezing will be touch of freezing it will be a touch of frost, perhaps across the northern and still some northern hours and still some snow across snow in the morning across northern scotland's could get down low levels for a time down to low levels for a time before. tends to ease off before. that tends to ease off many places dry bright. on

many places dry and bright. on saturday, a fine christmas eve, but it will again turn quite windy and there be showers windy and there will be showers developing the day for developing through the day for northern ireland and coming into other areas later. other western areas later. pretty mild warm double digits for the majority, even cause scotland 67 degrees a touch above average heavy showers , above average heavy showers, then moving across scotland, parts of northern england and wales during . christmas eve wales during. christmas eve nights and the winds picking up as well as we head into christmas morning. so it's going to be a blustery christmas day. there will be rain showers with some brighter spells in between. could see some more persistent right across the southeast, four time on christmas day . and then time on christmas day. and then we're looking at wetter weather coming into western scotland later on too. but as i say in between, there will be some brighter spells and it will be pretty mild. double figures for the majority. eight or nine across scotland and northern ireland late in the day, the winds we could see some winds switch. we could see some snow in northwest on snow showers in the northwest on christmas day night. cold for christmas day night. cold up for all us on boxing day with all of us on boxing day with more showers in the more snow showers in the northwest we have a met

northwest where we do have a met office warning in place . office yellow warning in place. good bye .

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