channel good afternoon. it's 2:00. i'm tatiana sanchez . in the gb tatiana sanchez. in the gb newsroom protest as have clashed again with police in paris as the vigil was being held at a kurdish cultural centre where a gunman killed a woman and two men and left several others injured. police tear gas to disperse the. it's after riots broke out yesterday in the wake of the attack. members of the community have been gathering this morning close to where the incident happened . a 69 year old incident happened. a 69 year old man who was already known to police is in custody in relation to the shooting . this is a to the shooting. this is a developing story and we'll bring you more as we get it. 69 years

old. he's a former metal driver . he lived in a flat alone in the centre of his own 90 year old. father's says that crazy. he collected guns and managed to get some in where the gun laws are very strict and he came out of one of the time in jail only two weeks ago and that already for attacking a camp of migrants so all of this points to a racist murder that was anne—elisabeth moutet . daily anne—elisabeth moutet. daily telegraph columnist in paris. our family is driving home for the festive period travel disruption with severe on the roads due to train strikes today travellers heading abroad are also being warned delays as border force officials out for a second day disruption at uk airports was brought under yesterday as the military stepped in to replace workers on strike. meanwhile, scotland's

operators warning strike starting today will severely limit services, with people being advised only travel if absolutely necessary . meanwhile absolutely necessary. meanwhile the disruption to christmas deliveries for many as postal workers represent it by the communication workers union continue to walk off the job over pay jobs and conditions. royal mail employees began their industrial action on friday ahead of christmas. the acting secretary of the cw told gb news he hopes the action will help the male strive in the future. members are very angry about the way they're being treated by royal mail. people don't take strike action lightly. people don't want to lose pay. they want to actually be at work serving the customer. but the overwhelming feedback from the customer they support their customer is they support their posting. they their royal mail workers. they that the strike is not just about being greedy. about actually having a future , about actually having a future, and ensuring this great royal service. it's been there for 500

years, continues to thrive and grow in the future . at least 19 grow in the future. at least 19 people are thought to have died as a heavy storm sweeps across parts the us. a number of fatalities have involved road traffic , including a pile in traffic, including a pile in ohio that reportedly killed at least two motorists. were also injured. temperature has plunged as low as —45 degrees in some areas with around 200 million people under weather warnings . people under weather warnings. the storm is forecast to develop into what's being described as. a bomb cyclone bringing with it heavy, blinding snow and back. forecasters are predicting a white christmas for the highlands with onset odd weather for the rest of the uk . the met for the rest of the uk. the met office has put a yellow for snow andicein office has put a yellow for snow and ice in place for most the highlands running from tomorrow night until 6 pm. on boxing day. meanwhile are forecast in most places over the christmas weekend . the environment agency weekend. the environment agency has issued 66 alerts for

possible flooding in england . possible flooding in england. the cost of living has forced more than 32 pubs in england and wales to close month this year. property outa says the overall number pubs has gone down by almost 400 since last year as they struggle , with soaring they struggle, with soaring energy costs , rising food prices energy costs, rising food prices and a decree forcing demand as well as staffing . but the figure well as staffing. but the figure was i3% lower than in 2021. the was 13% lower than in 2021. the nhs is warning parents about the risks of swallowing toy parts as an increase seen. more children admitted to hospital. the latest data the number of children having conceived a small object has doubled over the last ten years to almost hundred and 30 doctors are concerned about pennies sized batteries that make up part several household items like lights and tv remotes . tv online dab+ radio. this is

gb news. i'll be back with more at the top of the hour . at the top of the hour. on . feliz navidad . welcome to on. feliz navidad. welcome to another gb news christmas . and another gb news christmas. and it really is special this time of year. the christmas period us that we are still a christian country and regardless of whether we believe not this time of year we are of our roots. christmas unites people in this country of all faiths . as we country of all faiths. as we spend time with friends , loved spend time with friends, loved ones, the country slows down and we reflect on what's important us. for many, it's for family. the christmas story is centred around holy family, the blessed virgin mary, who in her fiat showed us how to trust in god . showed us how to trust in god. her husband, st joseph, the patron saint of fathers and expected mothers. and of course

, christ child himself, who would die for all sins. the nativity story is one of mystery drama , scandal and hope as the drama, scandal and hope as the greatest story ever told. god became man incarnate, truly and truly man. but it's not an original story. it's actually. a retelling. a retelling from genesis. the beginning of, as saint john tells in his gospel. in the was the word and the word with god. and the word was . in with god. and the word was. in the nativity, the word became . the nativity, the word became. jesus christ . the living word of jesus christ. the living word of god. christmas is also a time for gifts . and god gave the for gifts. and god gave the world gift of his only begotten son. he gave us his word so that we may have eternal life. there is no greater gift than that. so let us be thankful . rejoice in let us be thankful. rejoice in this message of hope. in a spirit of presence . may the spirit of presence. may the favours of god's uncommon presence be yours this christmas . we hope you enjoy the program. god bless and merry christmas .

god bless and merry christmas. also . read . also. read. oh . oh, oh oh, oh, also. read. oh. oh, oh oh, oh, excellent. all . oh, it's grandma excellent. all. oh, it's grandma . oh, oh, oh, yeah . oh, . oh, oh, oh, yeah. oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh. means over. lord. it means journey.

oh, oh, oh oh. means over. lord. it means journey . yo . it means journey. yo. oh small . oh we small. oh we. all lord . oh oh, small. oh we. all lord. oh oh, oh, oh. and to . oh, oh. and to. all. oh oh. my first guest is the right reverend robert barron. he is an american roman catholic and founder of the word on fire ministries. bishop barron, i'd

like for you to talk to us about the christian virtue of hope, because at christmas we're talking about the birth of christ and how that brings people hope. we don't see thomas aquinas our churches. that aquinas, our churches. does that hold .7 is the longing of the will hold? is the longing of the will towards some good that's possible but arduous it's very interesting there so long for certain goods but some of them are pretty easy to attain they're possible they're not arduous . but hope is ordered for arduous. but hope is ordered for good that is possible but difficult to attain . and then difficult to attain. and then the theological virtue of hope is the longing, the theological virtue of hope is the longing , the will for god is the longing, the will for god . so god is a pretty good and arduous. yes because we can't possibly attain good on our own if our full and wills are the problem our wills are not the solution. we can't wheel our way to god . and so we hold . we long to god. and so we hold. we long for this argue is good of attaining god and we're relying upon the power of god. so it's a kind of decent story of the

eagle and the oldest theological word jews have that in fact, they dissenter the eagle . i've they dissenter the eagle. i've spent my life not about me . it's spent my life not about me. it's not about my self—assertion it's about ordering life toward god and trusting that god bring me to this good that i can't possibly attain myself . i think possibly attain myself. i think that's the theological virtue of hope. would you say there's an increased appetite for the message of hope and that what your apostolate is centred? i think hope is always something thatis think hope is always something that is very deep of a human heart because we all know implicitly , explicitly that we implicitly, explicitly that we cannot happy through our own efforts that no worldly good could satisfy the longing of the heart . it's the central one is heart. it's the central one is the central tension and drama of human life. much of art and literature comes that that we have orients gation toward the good that we can't possibly attain on our own . and so there attain on our own. and so there is that centring process. and so would say it's behind every

great work of art is behind every human aspiration is something like hope because what life is just nothing but grim finality and grim darkness. what you bother producing a work of art . so even you bother producing a work of art. so even some of this is like i'm an atheist, but yet they produce works of art. that's coming from a very deep place in us. that's longing for a fulfilment that we cannot attain on our own and to live in that paradoxical space, that's the space of whole . and it's the space of whole. and it's we're deep down we all want to live in all need to live. we've seen a number of profile conversions to catholicism this yeah conversions to catholicism this year. shiela bos was one of them . he talked about forgiveness and his interview with. you could you elaborate on that a little bit ? that's part the little bit? that's part of the breakthrough grace in. his breakthrough of grace in. his case, was was feeling case, i think, was was feeling forgiven. the dislike. what he admitted were all sorts in the dysfunction in his life. but few of the media should have some wonderful people and i knew them personally. these these campus

writers out in california through the mediation of those good brothers he founded forgiveness and what salvation consistent you know, allowing to be found is something i talk about a lot. you know you talk about a lot. you know you talk abouti about a lot. you know you talk about i think , the bible. it's about i think, the bible. it's not the story. mark, most forgot mean that's it all the spirituality of the world every every book the shelf in the bookstores is , you know, the bookstores is, you know, the quest for god . the bible is not quest for god. the bible is not about it . it quest for god. the bible is not about it. it is not about our quest for god it's god relentlessly coming after us, seeking us. and so the virtue of hope, if you want, is just the opening the heart to allow oneself to be forgiven , oneself to be forgiven, accepting the fact that we've been accepted, even though we're unacceptable and might be way to the state and do think you're right. the childbirth from that and that's what it's salvation really consists i think a lot of younger can relate to that message and it to me that beauty

is attracting people to the church . we're firmly in one of church. we're firmly in one of the most beautiful churches in the most beautiful churches in the and of course the the country and of course the transcendental in transcendental beauty in particular supposed particular is supposed direct or gaze greater than gaze to something greater than ourselves, direct our gaze ourselves, to direct our gaze towards that not the towards. god, is that not the case? all three function that way. truth good and way. truth in the good and beauty. but i think especially today the beautiful eyes of a special power because we're resistant to true and good, you know , very postmodern, very know, very postmodern, very relativistic . and so we tend to relativistic. and so we tend to be, you know , a little tell me be, you know, a little tell me what to think or , what to do. what to think or, what to do. but the beautiful just kind of shines , you know, there is just shines, you know, there is just at that mental picture, it just just look at the statue now and it awaken and that longing, the wings begin to expand. it's like you can't help it . and so the you can't help it. and so the number of people have been converted over the centuries by beautiful places of , things. i beautiful places of, things. i think it's very interesting, a place like cathedral, which is my favourite location on planet earth, i think the evangelical

power who places not because it's if god you're giving the awakening of the soul and this really hope comes going to get to hope is it ordering toward this arduous good that we can attain we argue is good and question being the transcendent union with god . and so beauty is union with god. and so beauty is indeed high. behold, your excellency, thank you very for joining us. merry christmas. that was bishop barron . my next that was bishop barron. my next guest is dr. gavin ashenden, a roman catholic convert, former chaplain to majesty the queen. dr. ashenden we have a war. europe politics is in. we're in the midst of a cost of living crisis. a lot of people aren't necessarily feeling very hopeful right now. a lot of people aren't even why should they feel hopeful at christmas. well, i think are two stories going on on there. there's a public and international and social. and to tell you the truth for most of history, it's been pretty bleak . something human . something gets into human beings , make some pretty

beings, make some pretty aggressive one another, but there's more intimate and human story . and the wonderful thing story. and the wonderful thing about is that our own about christmas is that our own personal story can get changed against because in asking where we came from, we discover god made us. god loves , us, god made us. god loves, us, god keeps us and god wants to change our lives. so the real hope is that our lives get touched and changed and they can also a lot of people don't go to church normally on a sunday. why should they turn up to church, especially christmas? well, it's a bit the image i always have of human beings is rather a silly one, but it's like it's like a plug one, but it's like it's like a plug outside a socket. we all we all off electricity anyway. all live off electricity anyway. so you need plug yourself into the source of the power and the energy and surprisingly enough , energy and surprisingly enough, that's what churches are. they're the sockets we go there to ourselves, to god, to allow god to put part of himself into us. you can do it a bit at home andifs us. you can do it a bit at home and it's not wholly unsexy wasteful, but you might as well go where the juice is most powerful. i like the right now

we're in one of the most beautiful churches in the country, the country, famous for the traditional latin mass. a lot of young people to be attracted to traditional worship and traditional worship and traditional latin . why do you traditional latin. why do you think that might be ? well, i think that might be? well, i think that might be? well, i think because for about think it's because for about between 50 and 100 years, it's been a slow cultural change. we've been dumbing down a good human beings have to capacity is inside. we like both intimacy and awe . and for quite a long and awe. and for quite a long time, the 19th century particularly was a of awe and people got fed up with it and they wanted intimacy . and so they wanted intimacy. and so therapy entertainment, romantic love, that's all the stuff of intimacy. but a bit like sugar, you can get a bit too much of it and grow fat and have begun to realise they're missing or they want. and i think that's where god in. god comes as god comes in. god comes as intimacy because . jesus nobody intimacy because. jesus nobody is know of god is more intimate than jesus , but they become he than jesus, but they become he comes as or as well. and the great danger with religion is it

can turn into entertainment . so can turn into entertainment. so people are quite rightly suspicious that and they need a bit of in their and bit of awe in their and somewhere like this and particularly in the latin mass and i have the catholic and i have say the catholic church that's it's to be found at it's its highest octane . now at it's its highest octane. now the queen died this year and in her last address she spoke her bedrock of faith and how that was important to her. do you think it's important for us to remember and recognise our christian roots as a nation? it's a very complicated because we live between the possibility of a presidency and a monarchy. and one of the things a monarchy doesisit and one of the things a monarchy does is it keeps the presidents out. and that's important because they deal in only power . and the interesting thing about a monarchy is it has is riddled with christie vanity, which means it's riddled with hope and love and forgiveness and compassion as part of its dna . it would and compassion as part of its dna. it would be a very hard thing indeed if a monarch didn't have christian faith with christian faith. it makes sense of the whole thing. and i think that's one of the reasons why

the was so deeply loved the queen was so deeply loved and was was an and revered. it was it was an intuitive thing as much as intuitive if thing as much as an aesthetic political aesthetic thing and a political thing. it's essential that the monarchy country has monarchy in this country has a christian faith order to validate the concept of monarchy. well, that leads me to the next question, was the next question, which was how important to her important was faith to her majesty how important is it majesty and how important is it to the king? she was taught to pray parents. all parents pray by parents. all parents teach pray. teach your children to pray. they it. teach your children to pray. they it . it's a way of they need it. it's a way of giving them foundation giving them a firm foundation her to experience a number her life to experience a number of very serious crises. it was one point i'm sure everyone remembers when the monarchy nearly fell apart under. her leadership. take leadership. you can't take anything granted the in anything for granted the way in which prayed to god related to god, experienced god . she had a god, experienced god. she had a great relationship with dr. billy graham, who came across to evangelise the english in the 19705, evangelise the english in the 1970s, much to their surprise and horror . she was 1970s, much to their surprise and horror. she was very switched on with god . it was one switched on with god. it was one of the reasons, i think, why her eyes twinkled and she smiled so broadly and people responded by loving . it was very important loving. it was very important you . can see when someone is

you. can see when someone is plugged into god , they twinkle. plugged into god, they twinkle. amen thank you very much. the birth of jesus foretold and the six months. the angel gabriel was sent from god unto a city of galilee named nazareth to a virgin, a spouse to , a man whose virgin, a spouse to, a man whose name was joseph of the house of david and the virgin's was mary and the angel on to her and said, hail thou that art highly favour . the lord said, hail thou that art highly favour. the lord is said, hail thou that art highly favour . the lord is with the favour. the lord is with the blessed art thou among women. and when she saw him, she was troubled at a saying and cast in her mind what manner of salutation that should . and the salutation that should. and the angel said onto her fear not for thou hast found favour , god. and thou hast found favour, god. and behold , you shall conceive in behold, you shall conceive in thy womb and bring forth a son, and shalt his name, be jesus is. thy womb and bring forth a son, and shalt his name, be jesus is . loo and shalt his name, be jesus is. loo afternoon and the uk is looking mixed with plenty of sunny

weather towards the south—east and more changeable elsewhere. let's take a look at the details starting off in scotland here . starting off in scotland here. the earlier rain and hail, snow will become confined to the northern. heavy showery rain the west. best of any sunshine in across northern ireland. there will be plenty of outbreaks showery rain. these could turn and perhaps thundery later on with hail possible whilst afternoon will start dry and in the north—west of england a spell of heavy rain is likely later with hail and lightning for some will be a story for much of wales. we can expect some fine weather for a time before a band of rain pushes through. likely turning thundery at times . meanwhile, in the east at times. meanwhile, in the east midlands , weather should stay midlands, weather should stay fine through the with plenty of winters sunshine, perhaps not feeling as mild as during recent days, with highs of around nine celsius. it's a similar picture as we look across east anglia here too. we can expect a dry and mostly sunny afternoon.

temperatures may about scrape into double digits somewhat cloudier towards the south coast . some showers pushing through , . some showers pushing through, though. these should be relatively few and far between. it will be mild here with highs of around 12 celsius. a of intense showery rain push eastwards this evening, bringing the risk of hail, thunder. eastwards this evening, bringing the risk of hail, thunder . and the risk of hail, thunder. and thatis the risk of hail, thunder. and that is how the weather is shaping up for the rest of the day .

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lord. oh. oh, oh. welcome my next guest is john emeritus professor of theology and religious studies at the university of nottingham . john university of nottingham. john milbank merry christmas merry christmas to you . i'd like to christmas to you. i'd like to talk to you about claus or father christmas or saint nicholas of one should can you me a bit of his background? who is the saint nicholas. well, sir nicholas was bishop of in the third. fourth centuries and he's well known for many remarkable miracles, including raising children from the dead , and children from the dead, and notably giving and seeking dowries to girls who were otherwise going to go into prostitution . so that's a source prostitution. so that's a source of him being linked , give gift

of him being linked, give gift giving and his eventual evolution via dutch folklore into santa claus rights. and we'll get to the gift giving and the european folklore. but to a lot of people santa claus is a make believe figure . something make believe figure. something we tell our children to give them a bit of hope and a bit of magic. is there anything wrong with that. absolutely wrong with that whatsoever. on the contrary, i would argue that it's not so much that where children as that we're telling children as that we're telling children truth, that these presents derive really from about where i need haters. they come from this kind of semi—divine saint like figure who for heaven. so what we're really telling ourselves, is it childhoods of innocence ? and childhoods of innocence? and this reception of gifts from secret unknown source ? is the secret unknown source? is the reality and this completely fits

with the christian . i think i with the christian. i think i quite that angle because in my monologue i talked about the gifts being the grace god but you're talking about it being the invocation of the saints. i quite like . yes. no i mean in quite like. yes. no i mean in heaven in general . and in heaven in general. and in a sense it is the children are the gifts under a linked with the heavenly , with the ancestors, heavenly, with the ancestors, with saints , with god . and you with saints, with god. and you can say that after they are initiated, they then know that father christmas isn't real. but in a way they then discover a greater reality of god. but when they're babies and innocence, they're babies and innocence, they know it in much more direct way. and jesus himself a baby. so obviously would have believed in father christmas. you might put it that way. i mean , i think put it that way. i mean, i think it's also important to realise that father christmas is , a that father christmas is, a hybnd that father christmas is, a hybrid figure. yes nicholas. but he's also derived from a lord of

misrule figure stands for symbolically for christmas as such. and again you might say that's very pagan , but i think that's very pagan, but i think actually it's the greatest misrule the greatest disturbance of all, you know, god has become a baby and abolish these distinctions between us, including the barrier between aduu including the barrier between adult and children. i think people who, you know, worry that it's really pagan, he'll say, you know , high it's really you know, high it's really pagan. a completely wrong. and it's much for the pagan point to the christian and you might say, you know, it was always a festival about the victory of light over dark in the in the vigil of winter. but christianity adding something more. it's saying there's something good about the dark you know, that god creates he descends into creation . he descends into creation. he descends into creation. he descends into creation. he descends into darkness, into a baby. he he embraced this human

suffering and so the message is that kind of like out of the seed of darkness itself, comes the light . seed of darkness itself, comes the light. right. and a lot of people talk about this pagan aspects of christmas that actually just a winter solstice celebration . and yeah, well , celebration. and yeah, well, that's that's garbage and in fact it's inherently linked, you know to the date of the conception of christ and that may may have come in fact come first. but of course you the church knew what they were doing . they knew it merged with the winter sun. one can see that as typological . it's perfectly typological. it's perfectly appropriate to you know, this is part of the mystery and the symbolism within nature. but that you know, in a fallen world dies. but it's then reborn . so, dies. but it's then reborn. so, you know we should embrace all that nature, symbolism, people always did. they always had boughs.

always did. they always had boughs . holly, it's not true boughs. holly, it's not true that. boughs. holly, it's not true that . the victorians invented that. the victorians invented they reinvented it, but it always been a family festival on and off, you know, a matter of a radical of gifts, a sense . this radical of gifts, a sense. this is a time where everything is gift? everything is his generosity . and that's the very generosity. and that's the very core of this. christian, you meaning of christmas. you know if you like the incarnation if his is about integrity it's about the unity of space, of matter and it's about something rising from below as as something coming from from above. so the more christian you are, the more pagan are, as i think chesterton must have said, you know , john milbank, thank you know, john milbank, thank you know, john milbank, thank you very much . think you , the you very much. think you, the shepherds and the angels and were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field ,

shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night and lo the angels, the lord upon them, and the glorious lord upon them, and the glorious lord shone round about them . and lord shone round about them. and they were so afraid . and the they were so afraid. and the angel said on to them, fear not for i bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be assigned to all people , for unto assigned to all people, for unto you born this day in the city, david a saviour, which is christ the lord . this shall be a sign the lord. this shall be a sign unto you, ye shall find the baby wrapped in the swaddling clothes, lying the manger . clothes, lying the manger. oh oh i'm mark white marquesas gb news homeland security editor. i covered those key issues that are so important you our authorities are doing all they can combat violent crime with the public services under unbearable strain. why are we still failing to control our borders? defence first priority

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gb news. welcome back . my next guest is welcome back. my next guest is rod dreher , american writer and rod dreher, american writer and senior editor of the american conservative magazine . merry conservative magazine. merry christmas, rod . thank you, carl, christmas, rod. thank you, carl, and merry christmas to you as well. you are an orthodox christian convert in what ways. do you celebrate christmas differently now to what you did before orthodox christian ? before orthodox christian? follow a fast , fairly strict follow a fast, fairly strict fast in the weeks leading up to the nativity . so from the nativity. so from mid—november we have been fasting from meat and fasting from dairy . this is such an from dairy. this is such an important thing for me spiritually because taught me that in order to prepare the

birth of christ and the joy of the birth of christ, we needed to be waiting with sacrifice before , war and celebrated before, war and celebrated christmas . everybody else does christmas. everybody else does in our culture , you know, it's in our culture, you know, it's all it's a whole month feasting on candies and cakes and hot chocolate, things like and that's all fine . but when that's all fine. but when i became orthodox and suddenly had to spend the month of december, it made the joy of christmas and the 12 days of christmas all much more intense and meaningful it helped me understand there is a reason the christmas is a feast . can't really understand feast. can't really understand the meaning of the feast without having fasting first learning how to celebrate it in the traditional way, and perhaps anglican to do this as well, really opened up my heart , my really opened up my heart, my mind to the real beauty christmas and beyond the beauty, the deep meaning of christmas and of the sacred of christmas. you know, orthodox christians

like traditional and other liturgical churches , we liturgical churches, we consecrate hallow time in a special way, a way that has been forgotten and post—christian culture . it's a really culture. it's a really countercultural thing . it has countercultural thing. it has helped me so much in my own walk with christ to learn how to do this to and how, frankly, how to how to observe the season as our ancestors from , generations upon ancestors from, generations upon generation to go dead. i like the idea demonstrating sacred time at all that any other intricacies into how you celebrate christmas a family or celebrate christmas a family or celebrate it passed on me . well celebrate it passed on me. well calvin this year is going to be a pretty tragic christmas for me i'm sorry to say that . earlier i'm sorry to say that. earlier this year, my wife filed for divorce . and it's a painful divorce. and it's a painful thing. i'm now living in europe . my family on the other side of the ocean, my older son is going to fly over to, spend christmas with me, and we are going to be meditating on loss frankly, my

son and i will be by friends. thank god that christian friends, we will go to church , friends, we will go to church, but we will also hold fast to the truth that christ is here christ is born christ must be glorified in our lives. christ is born christ must be glorified in our lives . and we glorified in our lives. and we will pray also for a better year to come come . i should say also, to come come. i should say also, calvin, that you know, this year has taught me the share of loss , has taught me the meaning of suffering, and that for all christians suffering is of our lives. it's not something to be afraid of, certainly not something to be sought. but god is present with us even as we i went when i went to bethlehem earlier this year , i was also earlier this year, i was also shown something that most pilgrims to bethlehem don't get to see. i was taken into a greek orthodox monastery and the bones of the holy innocents, the children massacred by king herod, who wanted to kill the christ child. christ was the

christ child. christ was the christ child. christ was the christ child was a threat to his power. i asked the woman me this. i said, how do we know this. i said, how do we know this is the holy innocents bones 7 this is the holy innocents bones ? and she said that they were discovered when saint helena came there and the fourth century. so whether they're the bones of the holy innocents or not, the bones of children, and they help us understand that even joy is not unmixed. it also comes great suffering . my son comes great suffering. my son and i are living through that this year with the dissolution of our family. but it doesn't dim the joy but rather it deepens and makes it makes it more intense and. i am not giving up in any way on the joy of christmas it's just going to have to be celebrated a different way this year. and i know a lot of your too, to be honest, are suffering through hard times . want to say to them, hard times. want to say to them, i know what this is like, but hopefully to jesus christ, our lord is with us. he came to us in the dead of winter and he

will be with us forever. i think that perfectly encapsulates christmas. go through trials christmas. we go through trials and tribulations in life suffering, but the message of christmas is one hope in that christmas is one of hope in that christmas is one of hope in that christ is with us throughout all of is a and of that suffering is a amen and merry . the birth of merry christmas. the birth of jesus and it came to pass in those that there went out a decree from caesar augustus that all the world should be taxed and this taxing was first made and this taxing was first made and so irenaeus governor of syria and all went to be taxed everyone into his own city. joseph went to be taxed . he went joseph went to be taxed. he went up from galilee , out of the city up from galilee, out of the city of nazareth into judea unto , the of nazareth into judea unto, the city of david, which called bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of david to be taxed with . mary, his espoused taxed with. mary, his espoused wife being great to the child . wife being great to the child. and so it was that while were there the days were accomplished that she should be delivered . that she should be delivered. and she brought forth her firstborn son and wrapped him in

swaddling clothes and laid him in a manger because there was no room for them . the end. oh nine room for them. the end. oh nine oh it's nice . oh it's nice. to see . and the toys . see. and the toys. for your . see. and the toys. for your. soft and sweet . and . oh all soft and sweet. and. oh all tuscany , your . restored . tuscany, your. restored. come .

tuscany, your. restored. come. and set it on head for great small table . um . uh small table. um. uh. and oh oh i see all these . these . see all these. these. oh the great ties those uh child , these . al great ties those uh child, these. al conservative politician and anglican. sir desmond, you became somewhat of a hero during

the lockdowns. did faith impact your politics and your decisions at the time? i think so. i think they informed my politics at all times in you know, i have certain values which i believe are biblically based i don't test particular political decision for theological soundness . it's decision for theological soundness. it's just decision for theological soundness . it's just that decision for theological soundness. it's just that i, i have values which i believe are biblically based and i will pursue issues and causes and behave in a certain because i have those views in terms of lockdown . and i felt very lockdown. and i felt very strongly that people should not be prevented from having sacraments of the church and be able to go to church , be able to able to go to church, be able to exercise individual liberty and make an assessment for as to what risks they were prepared to take. personal responsibility. what an old fashioned thought . what an old fashioned thought. you mentioned the importance of individual and that was one of your calls to campaign throughout the lockdowns and throughout the lockdowns and throughout the lockdowns and throughout the pandemic. but people seem to use it as a

derogatory these days. why do you well, you think that might? be well, i think certainly in the sense of lockdown , you know, there's a lockdown, you know, there's a collective good and a collective view. and if your labour is out spreading the disease, then i can understand people saying, well, your liberty is less important , the common good . and important, the common good. and i think there is this question of balance. if i thought that my liberties were making the situation worse and spreading the disease , then i would have the disease, then i would have taken a different view. i that i was on the whelmed by the medical evidence and the case for lockdown that was put to us. i think it a disaster. i think did vastly more harm than it would otherwise have done . but would otherwise have done. but hey if the disease had been killing young people have been killing young people have been killing children . i have taken killing children. i have taken a different view . if it's just the different view. if it's just the way that things came about in and fell out. ultimately, i

would always pray , praise, would always pray, praise, individual, liberty over the collective good . but clearly collective good. but clearly there has to be some balance between those two. and we now know you are on the right side of this in terms of the scientific data backs your argument. are you how you showing forgiveness to people who were wrong and demonised you at the time. oh i frankly, i water off a duck's back. i'm and the reality is you're in politics you have to a thick skin because people will always put the worst possible interpretation on your . and you interpretation on your. and you for all sorts of things that you've not done or not said i haven't been. i know some politicians keep a little little notebook of all the all the people they need to get back . people they need to get back. but i'm i'm immune from that. people they need to get back. but i'm i'm immune from that . a but i'm i'm immune from that. a christian. i believe in forgiveness your party seems to be split at the moment between conservatives and social conservative. whoops. where would you fall within that

bracket? well, i've moved between the two seamlessly and beenin between the two seamlessly and been in one camp for some time and then the other and move back again . there's a difficulty again. there's a difficulty there in the sense that the conservative party has a tradition order and tradition and equally a something that we imported largely from whigs and from the national liberals a much liberal attitude. and i, i'm afraid i'm probably, like most colleagues it's difficult to pin me down. i move between the two wars. the reason i ask, because i think within the church we're seeing younger people more attracted to tradition , such as the place tradition, such as the place that beautiful setting we're that the beautiful setting we're filming i think we filming in today. and i think we be a similar thing in be seeing a similar thing in politics that young people politics and that young people seem be attracted to the seem to be attracted more to the social side social conservative side of things, traditional things, the traditional are using certainly found using this. i've certainly found in in this last year think i've done 11 university visits this year and certainly i found that

there's a strong element of social conservatism . but i social conservatism. but i wouldn't overstated i think that looking at my own children they much more liberal values and i am comfortable with that my own tastes certainly in religion is for the more traditional i prefer the prayer book than the modern services and. i'm sure it doesn't matter to almighty but it does matter me what you came all college since stephen's housei all college since stephen's house i always ask you where we fell on the social divide in terms of christmas. where do you get hope that those that weight upon the lord shall their strength they shall run and not grow weary is only in a belief in an eternal power outside yourself, the tin you with the hope that things will get better, but ultimately your

salvation is in the hands of god and that that provides a you a reassurance which can exist for people who do not do not believe that they have a much more weary existence, simply because they don't have that to hope hold on to it. now marx called it an opiate , and we need this opiate opiate, and we need this opiate just to get us through the misery of this life. just to get us through the misery of this life . but that misery of this life. but that doesn't constitute it. it may in certain respects be true during a night of pain you long for the dawn that's new. this proof that the dawn is not going to come the dawn is not going to come the visit of the wise man now jesus was born in bethlehem of judea in the days of herod the king. behold there came wise men from , the east to jerusalem , from, the east to jerusalem, saying, where is he that? is born king of the jews . we have

born king of the jews. we have seen his star in, the east and i come to worship him . when herod come to worship him. when herod the king had heard these , he was the king had heard these, he was troubled in old jerusalem with him then herod , when he had him then herod, when he had privilege, called the wise men , privilege, called the wise men, inquired of them diligently what time the star appeared , and he time the star appeared, and he sent them to bethlehem and said , go and search diligently for young child. and when ye have found him. bring word again. the time may come and him also when they had the king, they departed and lo the star, which they saw in the east, went down before them . it came and stood over them. it came and stood over where the child was when they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding joy and. when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with his mother and fell and worshipped . mother and fell and worshipped. and when they had open their

treasures. they presented unto him. gifts gold, frankincense and myrrh and being warned of god in dream that they should not return to herod. they departed their own country another way saint philip oro nobis i was standing in front of saint altar here, and saint philip found it. the congregation of the oratory . we congregation of the oratory. we at gb news would to thank the london oratory for hosting us for this christmas special and of course, we'd like to thank you for joining of course, we'd like to thank you forjoining us of course, we'd like to thank you for joining us this year. have a very merry christmas and god and . just as we . god bless and. just as we. all go god bless and. just as we. all 9° ' god bless and. just as we. all go , that's . all oh, go, that's. all oh, oh, oh, oh

oh oh, oh, well, you're all right. so sure that's why he stood by all the removed all while fighting , see, which is while fighting, see, which is why . oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. why. oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. so oh, oh, oh. i said. why. oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. so oh, oh, oh. i said . to you . oh too oh, oh. i said. to you. oh too little bad . call .

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. oh oh oh, oh, oh, oh. looking head to this afternoon . looking head to this afternoon. the uk is looking mixed with plenty of sunny weather towards the south and more changeable elsewhere . let's take a look at elsewhere. let's take a look at the details starting off in scotland here. the earlier. rain and hail, snow will become to the northern isles , heavy the northern isles, heavy showery rain in the west . best showery rain in the west. best of any sunshine in east across northern ireland. there will be plenty of outbreaks of showery rain. these could turn heavy and perhaps thundery later on with hail possible whilst the afternoon will start dry and

bright the north—west of england a spell of heavy rain is likely later with hail and lightning for some will be a similar story for some will be a similar story for much of wales. we can expect some fine weather for a time before . a band of rain pushes before. a band of rain pushes through likely turning thundery at times. meanwhile in the east midlands the weather should stay fine through the afternoon with plenty winter sunshine perhaps feeling as mild as during recent days, with highs of around nine celsius. it's a similar picture as we look across east anglia here too. we can expect a dry , here too. we can expect a dry, mostly sunny afternoon . mostly sunny afternoon. temperatures may just about scrape into double digits , scrape into double digits, somewhat cloudier towards south coast with some showers through, though these should be relatively few and far between it will be milder here with highs around 12 celsius a band of intense showery rain push eastwards this evening bringing risk of hail thunder. eastwards this evening bringing risk of hail thunder . and that risk of hail thunder. and that is how the weather is shaping up the rest of the day .

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