hello. good evening and welcome to dewbs& co with me on a quest. so yesterday, of course , it was so yesterday, of course, it was not only christmas day, but also king charles's first christmas address, the nation. he talks of community and a selfless dedication so that see sussexes

on the list. but he did actually this. some people fade into political territory when he referenced public sector workers and of the anxiety and hardship paying and of the anxiety and hardship paying bills and keeping families warm. did he cross the line .7 we'll be discussing that. line.7 we'll be discussing that. as you know, it is boxing day today. apparently a big day in the calendar . today. apparently a big day in the calendar. but trial the hunting calendar. but trial hunting, a loophole in the hunting, a loophole in the hunting act. labour argue, is a smokescreen for illegal hunts such as trail hunting be outlawed. and there's been an increase in stay at home dads. are you one.7 all increase in stay at home dads. are you one? all of that to come tonight on dewbs& co with me now. but first, let's get your latest news headlines . thanks, latest news headlines. thanks, don. i'm ray anderson in the gb newsroom. police have named a woman who was killed in a merseyside pub shooting on christmas eve as elle edwards, the 26 year old, was at the lighthouse house in wallasey village with her sister when she was shot. she was taken to hospital, but later died . four hospital, but later died. four men have also been treated for

gunshot wounds. a search for the gunman is ongoing. gunshot wounds. a search for the gunman is ongoing . a 10th person gunman is ongoing. a 10th person has now died as a result of an explosion at a block of flats in jersey earlier this month. 73 year old kathy mcguinness died in hospital on christmas day . in hospital on christmas day. the blast, which happened in the early hours of the 10th of december, destroyed a building in st helier. ms. mcguinness lived nearby. an inquest will open this friday before being adjourned while the investigation continues . at investigation continues. at least 55 people are believed to have died as a result of a severe arctic freeze that continues to grip much of the us and canada . officials say 25 and canada. officials say 25 people have been killed in buffalo , in new york state where buffalo, in new york state where temperatures have dropped as low as minus nine degrees. across the us and canada, thousands of flights have been cancelled and more than 150,000 homes are still without power . buffalo still without power. buffalo officials say some of the deceased were found in snowbanks

. the erie county department of health medical examiners office confirmed through last night 13 individuals who had died as a result of the blizzard died in a car dying outside from exposure , died in a snow, shovel or cardiac event regarding the snow blowing were found in a home. i have the very sad news to report that in addition to the 13 confirmed deaths yesterday, the erie county department of health medical examiner's office has confirmed in additional 12 deaths . staying with deaths. staying with international news and russia's defence ministry say three of its military personnel have been killed after a ukrainian drone was shot down over an air base hundreds of miles from the ukrainian border. the kremlin says they were hit by falling debnsin says they were hit by falling debris in russia's southeast region. it's the second attack on the military site this month and raises concerns among russians that ukraine can get past moscow's air defences .

past moscow's air defences. keith has not commented on the incident . the uk's rail networks incident. the uk's rail networks have been at a standstill today as members of the rmt union held strike action overpay. hundreds of trains usually run on boxing day, but they were all cancelled. 20,000 eurostar passengers were also forced to make alternative plans as it cancelled all services to london, paris, brussels and amsterdam . the uk health amsterdam. the uk health security agency will stop publishing covid 19 data early next month . the chief data next month. the chief data scientist says it's no longer necessary as the country is now living with the disease . data living with the disease. data had been published weekly during the peak of the pandemic and every two weeks since april this yeah every two weeks since april this year. officials say covid will still be monitored and shoppers were expected to spend less in the sales today as the cost of living continues to rise. new research by barclaycard payments found that the average consumer intended to spend found that the average consumer intended to spen d £229 in the

intended to spend £229 in the post—christmas sales . that's 4% post—christmas sales. that's 4% less than last year. despite that, industry analyst springborg says the latest, latest data obtained shows that footfall has actually been higher than last year. footfall has actually been higher than last year . we're on higher than last year. we're on tv online and on disney plus radio. you're watching gb news. back now to nana. so good afternoon . welcome. it's so good afternoon. welcome. it's just actually good evening. it's just actually good evening. it's just coming up to 6:06 o'clock. this is gb news. this is also dewbs& co. i'm nana akua with me until seven. my panel visiting professor at london's southbank university, james wood has an and also a matthew stadlen broadcaster and political commentator and also , as ever commentator and also, as ever throughout the show, i also want to know your thoughts. you can always get in touch with the views at gbnews.uk or want somebody at gb news.

somebody that tweet at gb news. now most of you probably tuned in at 3:00. it was the christmas broadcast. it looked and felt a little bit different this year because, of course, it was king charles. it's pre—recorded and his message was from st george's chapel the chapel, and he addressed the nafion chapel, and he addressed the nation for the first time since his mother, queen, died. now his mother, the queen, died. now she appeared. emilia owens, she had appeared. emilia owens, of households across the country every december 25th. for every december the 25th. for decades , and king charles maiden decades, and king charles maiden speech was watched by 8.3 million views is actually the highest rated on christmas day , highest rated on christmas day, but with a hard to act follow from the late queen, his sympathetic speech had key topics such as he spoke of the cost of living crisis striking and also personal reflection. so some would say that he was overstepping the mark and that his speech was political. mark i'm going to come to you first. you listened to his speech. what did you think? did it sound political to you? well it was a good speech. i'm still getting used to singing god save the king sports matches because all or of us miss the queen she

or many of us miss the queen she did job. by and large. did a great job. by and large. but i think king charles has also done a good job so far. i think comes as well. i think think he comes as well. i think the that he delivers lines, the way that he delivers lines, i briefly him actually i work briefly with him actually last producing and last year producing him and he delivers lines. no . yeah, delivers lines. oh, no. yeah, but you worked with him? i did. very but i like very interesting. but i like him. the thing is, that one of the reasons i've quite liked him over the years is because of the causes that he backs . over the years is because of the causes that he backs. i'm over the years is because of the causes that he backs . i'm not causes that he backs. i'm not going to get into the environment. i'm sure now, but i think he's got that largely spot on. it doesn't matter on. but it doesn't matter whether his politics or whether i like his politics or not, the next or not, because the next man or next not like his next woman might not like his politics. think it's very politics. i think it's very important that the monarch is a political don't think this political and i don't think this speech political. he what he speech is political. he what he doesis speech is political. he what he does is he congratulates the armed or thank the armed forces and the emergency services . who and the emergency services. who doesn't want to thank them for what they do? and he also thanks people who in the health in people who work in the health in the health service and social care, work incredibly hard care, who work incredibly hard to alive and well to the to keep us alive and well to the best of our abilities. a final thought. i looked up the speech

from queen of 2020 during thought. i looked up the speech fronpandemicen of 2020 during thought. i looked up the speech fronpandemic of of 2020 during thought. i looked up the speech fronpandemic of course, during thought. i looked up the speech fronpandemic of course, and ng thought. i looked up the speech fronpandemic of course, and she the pandemic of course, and she thanked frontline workers. and i don't think anyone then was suggesting that she was being political . but he does actually political. but he does actually specifically talk about people struggling kind of eat that struggling to kind of eat that they are things like that, millions of us all what that is as a result of not living as some people may say that. james, what you think? well, didn't what do you think? well, didn't cross i think he's cross the line. i think he's always line. always crossed the line. i think, as you matthew , he think, as you say, matthew, he was always an ardent, if not zealous defender of the ridiculous in a mentalist cause talking to plants and all the rest of it. so i loved plant talking in with the serious questions of the climate crisis . let him finish. i can finish my point , matthew. i think what my point, matthew. i think what he functions as is a sort of cipher for what keir starmer won't do, which is to express some of a sympathy for the strikers and all power to him.

you know, if we're going to rely on him to uphold nurses wages or our anti members working conditions, then i think that really isn't in the spotlight. when did he write? when did he write the speech, james? it's really an indictment of the labour party that people look to prince charles to provide leadership to the people who really need much better pay and conditions and also not in the speech, he says, we see in our health and social care professionals, our teachers and indeed those working in public service, that those are ultimately the main who ultimately the main people who are on strike . mean, are going on strike. i mean, that quite specific . he could that is quite specific. he could have he have said have said he could have said other things, he other things, but he specifically went on about teachers been strike. teachers who've been on strike. he health and he talked about health and social professionals . social care professionals. they'd been on strike. public service have also been service workers have also been injured. he were injured. and i think if he were a teachers in england have so far gone well, nobody's going to pay far gone well, nobody's going to pay in the united kingdom. i think if he wrote the speech in the last few days when we've all

been talking the strikes been talking about the strikes that he was not that maybe, perhaps he was not into but even if he into it, but even if he happened, he could have changed. he insisted that the he could have insisted that the strike, i suspect, was actually doing when the doing was. in a year when the queen passed away and as he specifically in the speech, specifically says in the speech, we've that the armed we've got it here that the armed forces and the emergency services who performed so magnificently as we mourn the passing of our late queen. in no way suggesting there that way is he suggesting there that the he the emergency services he supporting them through the strikes, thanking them for strikes, he's thanking them for the they did for us as the work they did for us as a country and also for him as the son, the grieving of son, the grieving son of a mother. it's amazing we hear that. i mean, a lot of that. but i mean, a lot of people will feel that he is actually sending a message, as james try and sort of james said, to try and sort of the gentle sort of, you the gentle dig and sort of, you know, for a gentler know, pushing for a gentler general. i actually watched because we were on the road of christmas. we split it between my family and my wife's family. so were just arriving the so we were just arriving on the south he was delivering south coast as he was delivering the i actually the speech. so i actually watched it after after these news stories came out. i think it's looking media, some it's people looking media, some members looking members of the media looking a bit hard because then when

bit too hard because then when i watched after reading watched the speech after reading this , thought, this stuff, i thought, no, what's the about ? i what's all the fuss about? i really think. i'm not really didn't think. i'm not here to defend prince charles. i was that you might get a different but myself. my sense of it was he wasn't trying to be political. might been. i political. he might have been. i think, to be think, not trying to be political. that's the thing. i mean, he's very clever. he's not he's to say, well, if he's not a fool to say, well, if you look at the powers of wrong for that exist for all good things that exist or look at the more than 700 or you look at the more than 700 unknown members of the privy council. you can council. i wonder if you can name that, because icom, name them that, because icom, you know, it's clear that the trappings of royalty the trappings of royalty and the sort right people, people sort of the right people, people like us are immense in this country and therefore it could be it can be nothing but political. it's always been political. it's always been political . he's political. it's always been political. he's sort of warmed up. you know, blairite social democratic support, but not much of a support to strikers and the few other people you know, when see either him or sir keir through to real popular affection in the long term . so

affection in the long term. so i think probably people were reading too much into the speech and there's not a whole lot of news about today except that on your show tonight, james claims you're a highly intelligent man. do you really look at strikers? do you really look at strikers? do you really look at ambulance drivers , paramedics, nurses, the drivers, paramedics, nurses, the sorts of people that you i sorts of people that you and i now know, all of us have to now know, all of us have come to rely over our lives. do you rely on over our lives. do you really and think really look at them and think strikers? or do you look at them and people dedicated and people who've dedicated a life the betterment of life to the betterment of society, really society, who are really struggling of struggling through no fault of their because of the their own. but because of the cost living crisis, whoever cost of living crisis, whoever you that crisis. do you blame for that crisis. do not them as people who not look at them as people who are really struggling make are really struggling and make you a cry for help. i'll tell you a cry for help. i'll tell you what i do. look at matthew is you give your is when you give your unequivocal support for the armed forces . unequivocal support for the armed forces. i look at unequivocal support for the armed forces . i look at what the armed forces. i look at what the armed forces. i look at what the armed forces. i look at what the armed forces did in iraq. i look at what they did the first time in iraq. i look at labour's backing for that and the way in which occasioned a lot of popular disgust. and it's now

critique of the professionalism of the armed forces. to say, i do not support them. labour and the tories backing, of course. well labour and the tories. but the most egregious is, as i'm sure, a labour man like you would accept is man. i'm someone who thinks we'd be better off with the labour government than where i come in this and that, thatis where i come in this and that, that is just playing with semantics. there labour man where come from, you know, we where i come from, you know, we need rememberjust where i come from, you know, we need remember just what tony need to remember just what tony blair and labour aides did blair and the labour aides did the and also remember the last time and also remember it's be a whole lot it's going to be a whole lot worse sir gets the worse if sir keir gets the tories back, them to the hilt, didn't they, over iraq? but who was was in government? i was who was in government? i hope in iraq . hope blair responsible in iraq. but pretended it wasn't. but they pretended it wasn't. there cross—party there wasn't cross—party consensus they won't consensus because they won't listen certainly the listen to certainly with the conservatives labour and conservatives and labour and listen, a lot listen, there was a lot of actually there's of people actually there's a lot of people who actually want that who didn't actually want that war to be fair. and ultimately the british did speak and the british public did speak and said, it, tony said, don't do it, and tony blair along with it. and blair went along with it. and now about dodgy now we know about the dodgy dossier, many. but the dossier, as many. but the british public didn't speak and say don't do it. know from the say don't do it. i know from the most quite lot of

most that's quite a lot of people, but quite a lot of it even and went on that even now. and i went on that march, says. i offered on the march, he says. i offered on the sidelines i actually sidelines because i actually didn't know i wanted to be. you might laugh, i wanted to might laugh, james. i wanted to be counted half in half out, because stage it wasn't because at that stage it wasn't crystal clear me whether he crystal clear to me whether he was to go in. looking was wrong to go in. looking back, think were i think back, i think we were i think going time even could going at the time even i could see was wrong. i think see that was wrong. i think a lot people thought that was lot of people thought that was a that no point in that one. that was no point in that one. and we learned that it was a bad thing. but if we bring it back to the speech, then so in to the king's speech, then so in your view, actually don't your view, you actually don't think political? but think that is political? but i do i don't think that was my do say i don't think that was my that my sense, just that's that was my sense, just that's just you know, i think just what you know, i think that that's sort of doing. that's what he's sort of doing. that's i think you've asked that's no i think you've asked me i don't think it's a booking. i was promised that he would not get politics and that get into politics and that it is. and didn't actually go is. and he didn't actually go to cop27. that then cop27. so that but then apparently him apparently liz truss told him he's be it's going to he's going to be it's going to be do remember we spoke in the summer i sort of summer when i was sort of cancelled. i was given a role at the bbc to be presenter of five live then my sort enemies

live and then my sort of enemies on said, hang on, he's on the right said, hang on, he's a of a no no. why are you a bit of a no no. why are you doing anything? you're against the can't an the bbc. you can't have an opinion. opinions opinion. the more my opinions were got were expressed before i got the job. my is that if job. but my point is that if i had gone to the bbc, i would have lost my voice because i would had to be religiously would have had to be religiously impartial the nine impartial as i was for the nine years. was that? all years. what was that? not all that yes on a much that much. yes but on a much grander scale. charles, grander scale. king charles, i think got it. he's got some think he's got it. he's got some problems spent problems because he's spent decades, we might say, overstepping being overstepping the mark by being overtly certain overtly political on certain issues, party political, issues, not party political, but political. and now he's lost that voice. i think that's that voice. and i think that's going and all going to be hard. and we're all watching like hawks, aren't we? let's comparing let's say you're comparing yourself tut. no, said yourself to king tut. no, i said on maligned nobody could on a much maligned nobody could be yeah, it be grand. no, but i'm. yeah, it would people are watching him would if people are watching him like a you're right about like a hawk. you're right about that. are rightly that. and people are rightly nervous. , about nervous. i think, about his interference in politics right now , the threat to democracy now, the threat to democracy isn't really coming from him. he's too much of a wally. it comes from other sources , not comes from other sources, not just the right wing press, but our woke friends and i think gb

news does a great job in defending democracy and right now, charles and the monarchy is a target. but it's a target for harry and meghan, for. a target. but it's a target for harry and meghan, for . so that's harry and meghan, for. so that's not do you think it was right to do that ? well, i think so far, do that? well, i think so far, you know, that's what we associate royalty with . i must associate royalty with. i must say, harry and meghan's great achievement has been to make me sympathise with king charles. i mean, that's that's quite hard where i come. but there's such a pain, you know , that i think pain, you know, that i think charles is right, not to talk about the harry and meghan situation. we don't know. we have only really heard harry and meghan's account. have only really heard harry and meghan's account . they're free meghan's account. they're free to do so. now we don't know what's going on behind the scenes, and it's difficult if you're in king obsession you're in king charles obsession or prince william's or if you're in prince william's position you, in a way, position because you, in a way, don't get the right of reply. just like if you're a judge and you're attacked, for example, in our world, we can sort of shout back , doesn't mean said and have back, doesn't mean said and have a sympathy for harry and

a lot of sympathy for harry and meghan, but i also have some meghan, but i do also have some sympathy charles sympathy for king charles on this. mean , the whole this. well, i mean, the whole country can shout back , but they country can shout back, but they have very cleverly have to do very cleverly because, again, they have to remain apolitical therefore, remain apolitical and therefore, they complain , they never, never complain, never explained, never, never complain way round it complain much the way round it is. but that the whole sort is. but that was the whole sort of there . but i of philosophy there. but i actually he actually actually think he was actually right nothing. and i have right to say nothing. and i have even that press should even said that the press should stop about them. so when stop talking about them. so when they have something to out, they have something to come out, oh, talk them oh, nana, you talk about them nine show. nine times every show. no, no, no . you're obsessed by them now. no. you're obsessed by them now. obsessed a very obsessed obsession is a very strong word. think they strong word. i think if they bnng strong word. i think if they bring out if they bring out a book or they bring out this documentary or they've been out as a member of the press, i am i have to sort of look at it. charles is fine. stay quiet, because he's got queer because he's got nana queer doing him very doing his job for him very nicely . doing his job for him very nicely. thank you much. mike got a from matt a compliment from matt stoutland. what does he want listeners involved with listeners to get involved with this discussion? don't this discussion? you can don't forget, get in touch via forget, you can get in touch via email. can email us email. you can email us gbviews@gbnews.uk you can also

tweet us at gb news. what is your view on this? we've got loads more still to come. as always, loads of stuff on the way. we'll we're talking fox hunting and should it be axed or does the tradition still have a place? discuss that in a place? we'll discuss that in a couple of months time .

if you just i mean, welcome aboard . this is dewbs& co. i've aboard. this is dewbs& co. i've done a quick and a helping me through the hour of visiting professor at london south bank university, woodhouse and university, james woodhouse and also matthew stafford in the broadcast and political commentator. now christmas day is over. boxing day may include sitting on the sofa, indulging in leftover food, watching the tv or going shopping for bargains . and there may even be bargains. and there may even be a few sore heads. however for thousands, the annual boxing day huntis thousands, the annual boxing day hunt is today's activity. and this morning, more than 200

hunts began amid the labour party calling for ban to be strengthened . and the barrister, strengthened. and the barrister, the barrister behind the 2004 hunting act claiming that it was dnven hunting act claiming that it was driven more by moral outrage rather than animal welfare clashes broke out between protesters and pro hunting communities earlier today. but before we get to the debate, let's have a look at a familiar face who's been at a hunt today . traditional boxing day. you should all be here. traditional boxing day. you should all be here . yeah, because that is, of here. yeah, because that is, of course, a very gb news is nigel farage. so with the rise in convictions and illegal hunting , should fox hunting still go ahead. , should fox hunting still go ahead . james, i'm going to come ahead. james, i'm going to come to you first. what do you think fox that your fox hunting is? is that your back? have you ever been. no i've been, actually. and i've never been, actually. and it attract it doesn't really attract me much . although i like the sounds much. although i like the sounds i like the woofing and the whistling and the and the b beat of the hooves . and since i'm a of the hooves. and since i'm a man of the left is left and right, men tend the thing anymore, which it doesn't . i'm

anymore, which it doesn't. i'm bound to confess i'm all in favour of fox hunting. oh, i'm sorry. yeah yeah, yeah. i let them. let them hunt, you know , them. let them hunt, you know, i. they're about as representative . those guys on representative. those guys on the horses with the red jacket as their opponents , you know, as their opponents, you know, the hunt santa is who are often so violent really represent nobody more than just stuff. i'll represent i think they're very similar really. they've got contempt for lots of people. they've got a great amount of self—righteousness about animals and so on. they've forgotten george orwell, who said this one needs to get surfaced a bit more, that the english like animals, to the extent that they dislike people, i think there's a lot in that. you know, if you take the sun newspaper's side andifs take the sun newspaper's side and it's about donkeys in spain , it doesn't compare with their , you know, as support for the news is strike. well what about the poor foxes , though? i mean, the poor foxes, though? i mean, you know, it seems a bit savage this it but it could be it could be bit savage. nothing like be a bit savage. nothing like iraq you know , we

iraq or hiroshima, you know, we need that in perspective need to get that in perspective . hunting one sort of one animal type thing and cornering it. and i it doesn't it doesn't i think it doesn't it doesn't feel right to me. that's sort of behaviour, although it feels like from old like something from an old bygone era and not necessarily if you need to, you know, get rid of some of a certain species. we don't need to do it like that. what do you think, matthew? think this matthew? you know, i think this barrister that you quoted out is probably lot of that probably right a lot of that bill was about moral outrage, about the people . how did that about the people. how did that make it? bad law ? not make it? bad law? not necessarily that there is a problem. we don't we don't want to be thought police in this country who do what we control people just because of what's in their minds at a particular time . on other hand, everyone . on the other hand, everyone knew what these people were up to. chasing foxes to. they were chasing foxes until killed them. if until they killed them. if they caught foxes were caught them and the foxes were killed in a savage manner. but it wasn't just the death. it was also was also the fact that also it was also the fact that they were chased and scared. now there argument there is an argument and we rehashing old arguments 20 years ago, there is an argument ago, but there is an argument that is not

that shooting foxes is not humane. you're right. they need to controlled to a point. to be controlled up to a point. i we shooting foxes not i think we shooting foxes is not humane because they might miss an they may go and then an and they may go lame and then they a prolonged death. they die a prolonged death. whereas act of being killed whereas the act of being killed as fox hunt is quite as a fox in fox hunt is quite quick. chase quick. not not the chase necessarily, but the. but you could you could argue that that chase somebody chase would represent somebody being for while and being lame for a while and having to deal that injury having to deal with that injury for and then eventually for a while. and then eventually dying. it's i think it's dying. i think it's i think it's about what the point of my about what is the point of my position overall just just to be really clear, i was just saying i was trying to get to the root of what the law was about. i think the fox hunting should be banned and not just that, because i want to live in a society that is relatively civilised. you civilised. now, you say armament, guys, meat armament, you guys, i'm a meat eater. to do a lot eater. i've got to do a lot better. think way in better. and i think the way in which treat the way we treat which we treat the way we treat animals in factory farms and so forth, to we've to forth, we've got to we've got to stop but the fox stop that. but on the fox hunting taking hunting issue itself, taking pleasure act of killing pleasure in the act of killing an me is a step far an animal for me is a step far too far. and i also think the labour are right now to be calling for an end drug

calling for an end to drug hunting. why because to my mind, that cases that is clearly in some cases being cover up the act being used to cover up the act of killing a fox because when they drug, what they chase the drug, what actually happens is they flush out fox . the fox then get out a fox. the fox may then get killed, but they've a legal killed, but they've got a legal loophole behind . then loophole to hide behind. then that's not that's just obviously not actually chasing a fox. it's just chasing something that is as it becomes about chasing the fox. might say fox. but they might say incidentally accidentally. incidentally or accidentally. yes because that the loophole yes because that is the loophole in that allows to in the law that allows them to carry this sort of carry on with this sort of practise and they kind of using it carry on fox hunting. it to carry on fox hunting. i don't i mean, i can't i'm don't know. i mean, i can't i'm surprised that you would think that because. well, that it's okay because. well, i believe in you know, i do believe in you know, i do believe in you know, i do believe in it. sometimes you do need to try and keep a species down. you'd think they'd probably to that with probably try to do that with humans. would say it humans. some people would say it was covid, but i that's was covid, but i mean, that's just i'm just taking just a very i'm just taking ground. i got i got foxes in ground. but i got i got foxes in my garden . i like foxes despite my garden. i like foxes despite the mess that i make in my garden . right. i don't think garden. right. i don't think bees obscure hunts, people , bees obscure hunts, people, although there's a lot more of them than the saboteur is.

really take pleasure in the fox being ripped apart. i take no nana. i think some of them do . nana. i think some of them do. so i think well they may do, but i think it's the thrill of the chase that has always inspired the hunting community. the fresh you know, the camaraderie and all the rest of it. i you know, feel worried about a civilised society and you're worried about it being barbaric , it taking the it being barbaric, it taking the face of people confined to their homes . under the conservatives homes. under the conservatives lockdowns . now then we can lockdowns. now then we can really talk about barbara ism, then we can really talk about something that really could have been avoided. yeah, that wasn't pleasurable for anybody. but listen , if you take into account listen, if you take into account and i don't think that a lot of the behaviour during the whole pandemic i thought was a bit off, things needed to off, but some things needed to be regard to the cams. be done with regard to the cams. if that as if we're going to take that as an example , what's the intention an example, what's the intention there ? even though they got it there? even though they got it wrong, was to protect to their intention was not meant to be morally wicked to me fox hunting

in that manner is quite a wicked way if you're even if you even if you're trying to cull the species . this if you're trying to cull the species. this is a barbaric way of doing. i don't think it needs to be done. this is all a bit to be done. so this is all a bit religious? i the religious? no no. i mean, the point about letting ill people out of hospital who in out of hospital who were in their eighties their seventies and eighties into care homes was it was totally wrong. well, it was. that was the it showed an inhumanity that far exceeds the most hated huntsmen that i could envisage. i actually think that was just more stupidity. well, fair enough to even thinking it through. but if you're for looking hunting and that looking at fox hunting and that is quite specific, that's quite calculated in perspective . just calculated in perspective. just to take you up on your points about the idea that hunts people are not necessarily enjoying the ripping apart because it i don't know whether they are or they're not but let's assume for a second that don't enjoy that bit they're prepared to tolerate it sufficiently to be witness to it or sufficient to go on the chase. and also, it's not just about tearing up. is about the tearing up. it is taking pleasure thrill of taking pleasure in the thrill of the , as you describe it,

the chase, as you describe it, when know you are when you know what you are chasing animal that you in chasing is an animal that you in your love and this is in your garden love and this is in your garden love and this is in your head and you were accused of obsession before, and i thought that was unfair. but i mean, your focus on the lupine rather the human, the one rather than the human, the one fox that dies in the task , the fox that dies in the task, the one fox that dies in the hunt compared with the hundreds and thousands of people who died unnecessarily because of the complete safe theism and risk aversion of the government, their ignorance of science, their ignorance of science, their disgust for humanity, its distaste for oh, that's a lot more serious, mind you , you more serious, mind you, you might frame it that way. other people will see it differently. other people may see that the government protect government calls to protect people. but i can't you know, there's no excuse for putting there's no excuse for putting the people who are sick into a care mean, i don't care home. what i mean, i don't know what they would think that. but i think the but the ultimate i think the ultimate government, ultimate aim of the government, when with regard to the pandemic, try pandemic, was actually to try and save and also to stop and save lives and also to stop the nhs getting overwhelmed, which they and

which is what they said. and i look can argue about that , look we can argue about that, but intention was almost i but the intention was almost i think a kind one, whereas if you look at fox hunting and the manner with carried manner with which is carried out, intention is to out, the intention is to literally frighten this poor little things and then kill them. and i think that that that to me seems barbaric. and i actually was listening to a certain radio with certain radio station with a white mention that because white mention of that because that's all i can get in my car. i've old i've only i've only got my old i've only i've only got my old i've only pve got i've only got my old i've only i've got a little what i've only got a little see what it doesn't for digital radio it doesn't do for digital radio yet. it will do. i'll zip up yet. but it will do. i'll zip up one day, but i was listening and they were talking. had they were talking. somebody had phoned were saying they were talking. somebody had phorthese were saying they were talking. somebody had phorthese children, were saying they were talking. somebody had phorthese children, they saying they were talking. somebody had phorthese children, they were|g that these children, they were quite the quite young, they'd gone to the hunt they'd been given some hunt and they'd been given some put on cheeks. put some blood on their cheeks. it's like a sort of like war paint thing now. and paint type thing now. and that was fox blood, was obviously the fox blood, which barbaric. which is somewhat barbaric. that's sounds like the that's not that sounds like the people who are doing this sort of thing. i just wanted to i just to say and this is just want to say and this is a point against me, right? because i true, obviously. i mean, it it's true, obviously. i mean, it it's true, obviously. i it is relevant. i think i think it is relevant. absolutely. i cannot believe i'm sitting here for 5 minutes agreeing almost word agreeing with almost every word that of your mouth.

that has come out of your mouth. none good. i see you on none of my good. if i see you on that think that we that front. i do think that we shouldn't be overly obsessed by the fox hunting issue because the fox hunting issue because the level of suffering from animals in this country , if animals in this country, if you're comparing it to care homes , which i'm not sure is a homes, which i'm not sure is a fair although thought homes, which i'm not sure is a fairway although thought homes, which i'm not sure is a fairway the although thought homes, which i'm not sure is a fair way the governmentthought homes, which i'm not sure is a fair way the government handled the way the government handled the pandemic was largely disgraceful ways disgraceful or in many ways disgraceful or in many ways disgraceful the fact disgraceful, including the fact that back so many that we let back so many thousands of people into care homes. a decision that homes. it was a decision that was anyone with was rejected as anyone with hope, perhaps , perhaps hope, but perhaps, perhaps a more , given more apposite analogy, given we're talking about animals, i would talk about cruelty is what we do the animals. we kill we do to the animals. we kill for food. now, i don't take for our food. now, i don't take pleasure killing need. pleasure in the killing we need. we take questions. we we need to take questions. we need them off. take it need to need them off. i take it as actually. but as we're eating actually. but eating don't be eating them. i don't mean to be cruel, but enjoy it. but we cruel, but i do enjoy it. but we all have families as human beings. i'm not hypocrite. beings. i'm not a hypocrite. i say kilometres and i'm say them kilometres and i'm like, i'm deeply flawed . i do like, i'm deeply flawed. i do believe that, you know, if i'm going to eat it, though, i wouldn't. want wouldn't. i don't want it to suffer a way. and i also suffer in a bad way. and i also think that if we actually think that if we if we actually think that if we if we actually think about it, if something's stressed you eat it when

stressed and you eat it when it's don't think it's distressed, i don't think that's your whole that's very good for your whole sort you know , i don't sort of look. you know, i don't think good for your actual think it's good for your actual digestion else digestion and everything else like just what like that. but that's just what i think. but lots of you've been getting regarding the getting in touch regarding the fox says fox hunting and michael says after nigel farage after hearing that nigel farage was now was fox hunting, he has now sadly my and wife's sadly lost my and my wife's vote. we very disappointed vote. we are very disappointed him an everyone that him in in an everyone that supports fox hunting amongst us . fox hunting is not a tradition it is the last of the extremely cruel sports that now that was never properly dealt with due to the privileged status of those taking part. fred says they inflict more pain than is acceptable in the rural communities . animal rights communities. animal rights people idea of the havoc people have no idea of the havoc and pain they cause complaining about both. so i think it's very british and then tom said the law should be repealed. the town is don't understand what is achieved here . well, i hear you. achieved here. well, i hear you. i mean, look, i understand getting culling species, but i don't think it needs to be done in that brutal fashion. but coming up, unions been coming up, unions who've been causing the misery for britons up and down country have

up and down the country have been have entertained been found to have entertained labour the tune of labour mps to the tune of thousands. labour mps to the tune of thousands . are they close thousands. are they too close for debate ? that in moment.

so welcome back. it's just coming up to 35 minutes after 6:00. this is a gb news. it's dewbs & co. with me , nana akua. dewbs& co. with me, nana akua. and of course joining me in the studio, visiting professor at london's southbank university, james wood has and also matthew staple and a broadcast on political commentator. now you've sending in your you've been sending in your opinions. keep them coming . you opinions. keep them coming. you know the views gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news. now it's been revealed that labour mp have accepted thousands of pounds worth of gifts and hospitality from some of the unions, wreaking havoc this christmas. among the politicians being wined and dined are rachel hopkins, the shadow cabinet office minister who accepted

dinner and a seat at the table of the aslef royal for union two glitzy events. this year. i think one of them was something to do with some sort of food. it's almost that it's about votes. it was a of lisa votes. yeah, it was a of lisa nandy. the party's levelling up spokes woman who accepted a four night hotel stay from the communications workers union to attend labour's annual conference in september. and deputy leader angela rayner accepted more than deputy leader angela rayner accepted more tha n £750 worth of accepted more than £750 worth of royal tickets and hotel stays from unison . and that's what it from unison. and that's what it to speak at a union event. from unison. and that's what it to speak at a union event . at an to speak at a union event. at an event this year. and separately, trade unions have donated more tha n £15 million to party than £15 million to party constituency groups and its employees since spring 2020. so james, i'll start with you. this is an illegal. is this problematic in your view ? well, problematic in your view? well, what's problematic is the daily mail scraping the bottle bottom of the barrel to impugn the labour party , which is very easy labour party, which is very easy to impugn. but 35 crime and

minor . i to impugn. but 35 crime and minor. i mean, you know , now, minor. i mean, you know, now, rachel hopkin is the shadow cabinet office minister with whom we're all familiar , aren't whom we're all familiar, aren't we, matthew? the poor thing got a seat at the table of the aslef rail union for two glitzy events this year . rail union for two glitzy events this year. the british kebab awards and the other was the east and south eastern south east and south eastern south east asians for labour dinner. both were worth more tha n £300. both were worth more than £300. you'd have to pay me 3000 to go to the kebab awards . all those to the kebab awards. all those announcements. thank you. i like kebabs. i like asia and south—east but this is not corruption on a grand scale, you know? but it's rubbish. the daily mail corruption . it's all, daily mail corruption. it's all, as you say, it's not illegal. i think the wider conversation to be had is fascinating. whether our mp should be able to receive gifts . and also , even though gifts. and also, even though they declared it, of course , on they declared it, of course, on they declared it, of course, on the register of interest. but but also whether they should be able to do second jobs, i think

that's fascinating. able to do second jobs, i think thatinclined fascinating. able to do second jobs, i think thatinclined to fascinating. able to do second jobs, i think thatinclined to agree, nating. able to do second jobs, i think thatinclined to agree, atting. able to do second jobs, i think thatinclined to agree, at least i'm inclined to agree, at least in part with james said this is a by the mail a desperate attempt by the mail to try the strikes to labour the conservatives. let's remember to have been in power initially with the lib dems. okay, for 12 years. for over a decade . these years. for over a decade. these strikes are about the conservative party, not about laboun conservative party, not about labour. and what the mail is trying to do here is say, oh, some labour mp has received received a bit of hospitality from unions and therefore these are. so let me get this straight undertone is that this is not strikes tied to labour. so let me get this straight. let me get this straight. you were prepared to dismiss that. this is complete no, complete nonsense. no, no, no, no. are you are. no. because you are you are. you're it. and you're dismissing it. and i think actually it's very, very important. sorry important. why the. sorry i listen you. ithink important. why the. sorry i listen you. i think it's listen to you. i think it's very, very important to actually consider what these people are doing. are potentially doing. these are potentially leaders of this nice country. they are planning to. not let me finish. are potentially finish. these are potentially a party who are are maybe going to take over if that's always going

to pull themselves together, they with . and they need to get on with. and what we're seeing here is that they are in the hawk with the trade unions. and what we need to consider as a as a people watching this, as a people who are these are prepared to vote with these people, is whether they be people, is whether they will be swayed decisions, swayed in their decisions, be prepared these prepared to take more of these things, i don't think things, because i don't think that happens. i mean, one of them here, jonathan ashworth parties working pensions spokesperson and transport spokes louise haig and spokes woman, louise haig and employment spokesperson. justin madders went to madrid at. the expenses of the trade union congress . okay. collective. it's congress. okay. collective. it's worth seven grand. now that to me is quite lot of money and me is quite a lot of money and they should know. should they should know. they should know shouldn't be know better. they shouldn't be accepting that. why know better. they shouldn't be accitheyg that. why know better. they shouldn't be accithey so? that. why know better. they shouldn't be accithey so? i that. why know better. they shouldn't be accithey so? i feel that. why know better. they shouldn't be accithey so? i feel that.at. why know better. they shouldn't be accithey so? i feel that. why?y are they so? i feel that. why? look, you could have look, you could only have a balanced conversation about this if take some conservative if you take some conservative mps. indeed many conservative mp, and ask who is giving them gifts as well? who's funding the tory party you know, we all know and it says in this article it's about the trade union. well, that's trade funds. that's why trade unions funds. so why ? so why you just have 50?

so why? so why you just have 50? are you dismissing ? you're not. are you dismissing? you're not. you you knew one. no, no, you said you knew one. no, no, no. you had to let me on. no, don't patronise. look what they're no. they're doing. no, no, no. patronise not missing patronise me. i'm not missing any alex. said eat any nuances, alex. you said eat well. well, you can let me finish. said that this finish. you've said that this is just trying to just the daily mail trying to stoke that and the other. stoke this. that and the other. when you're when actually. and then you're saying need this. saying you need to get this. this a very important thing. this is a very important thing. right. people are in hock right. these people are in hock with the trust. they right. these people are in hock with the trust. the y £8 million, with the trust. they £8 million, £8 million. i said the speaking my mouth is still moving . £15.8 my mouth is still moving. £15.8 million worth of money has gone via those trading. through those trading since keir starmer's been there. and these are extra bits on top. we need to take that. is very important. the that. it is very important. the first thing that came of my first thing that came out of my mouth wider conversation mouth was the wider conversation about what's receive from home, what influence it may or may not have on them. who funds our main political parties ? it is political parties? it is important. i am saying is that in this case i think the mail is trying to do is tie the strikes to the unions. it's not an

article about this . it's all article about this. it's all tied to the unions. article about this. it's all tied to the unions . you mean the tied to the unions. you mean the labour? i'm trying to. we've talked a lot . you mean the talked a lot. you mean the labour party? the tie that the tory? yes. obviously the strikes are tied to the way the labour party to the strikes and see, as we know that there is, there is some sort of symbiotic relationship between the unions and we would consider when you say, look , as someone who say, look, as someone who broadly speaking supports the labour party, i think it is absolutely fair that labour be scrutinised. broadly speaking, good labour should be scrutinised over who funds them and what their employers are receiving, as the tories receiving, just as the tories should, they are. all i am should, which they are. all i am saying is that there is a wider issue here. the government at the mps support the moment and mps who support that tory mp. that government. the tory mp. you stories you could find many stories about could raise about them. you could raise eyebrows. could. and we have eyebrows. you could. and we have raised eyebrows on many of these stories. not be stories. but this should not be dismissed the daily mail. dismissed in the daily mail. have a point, have you got a good point, james? issue is james? well, the bigger issue is even what you say, even bigger than what you say, matthew, the matthew, which is should the state electoral state or the electoral commission or matthew or nana determine how political parties

are funded? i my answer is no. of course, that hands a lot of power to , you know, baronial power to, you know, baronial estates supporting the conservative party baronial union leaders , supporting the union leaders, supporting the labour party. but if you want to tell me who the impartial health authority is, who you can identify , who would say, no, identify, who would say, no, you're not allowed to take that designation, you are allowed to take that designation because i say . so who's going to elect say. so who's going to elect that party? who is going to be sure that they're impartial? if they if i can just finish, they want if i can just finish, i think you can allow me just this once . you know, we need new this once. you know, we need new parties in this country. this once. you know, we need new parties in this country . and the parties in this country. and the more restrictions we place on our funding from whoever it is. however this likeable is a great to allow and one that will stop the emergence of the new parties that this country desperately needs. but we need to take into account who is funding them. yeah, sure. and with regard to the question of bans , my dear,

the question of bans, my dear, one thing is, you know, you're you information about you know, your information about it and not being overt about that. it and not being overt about that . but another thing it and not being overt about that. but another thing is whether you know, we going to believe a neutral arbiter should decide how political parties are funded. no not democratic. but this is about if we look at the things that they're except we should be asking whether mp should be asking whether mp should be asking whether mp should be allowed to accept these sort of things. yeah, because and also what you said, matthew, actually it was about the second job because i'm not happy with them being able to have a second job because i think that that is a conflict in many cases of interests. it's a really difficult, thorny issue many cases of interests. it's a rea have fficult, thorny issue many cases of interests. it's a rea have fficult, moment,;ue many cases of interests. it's a rea havefficult, moment,;ue ipsa we have at the moment, have ipsa , is the independent , which is the independent parliamentary standards authority, and they regulate this . okay? so they decide what this. okay? so they decide what you can and can't receive or at least they log it and they do that. they don't set limits necessarily, but they monitor it. so i think about 80% of what mp for their private offices and not government but mps for their private offices. so for example for staffing and stuff. but 80%

of covered through ipsa. of that is covered through ipsa. question is what to the other 20% and also what happens to employees who are working in jobs other than for their constituents and i think that is really important. there may be transparency there is transparency there is transparency because we have the register of interests and that seems to be impeccable monitored by ipsa. the fact that we've by ipsa. but the fact that we've got transparency it doesn't in itself, i think, cure the issue because i elect an mp, i want that mps to be working for me and working for the other who live in my area. i don't want to think know that they may be think or know that they may be being in—flow inside by people who are paying them or giving them gifts . in this case, them gifts. in this case, outside of me, the public and i think it is problem. you disagree, though, on that. no, no, no. i was just going to say, when i run for mp again, if i do run again, because i run, i promise to donate my mp salary to the popular cause . which is to the popular cause. which is what? well, the thing i like that if you like. yeah so i won't take a salary and. no i

have a second job, but i'm in three. yeah i'm entirely relaxed about you . no political parties about you. no political parties getting their funding from anywhere you know, it's the ideas. i think that's not telling you is all you say is that count. but if we just think about it, if we think about what has been said and the trade unions and we know for a fact that in particular the civil servants trade unions are trying bnng servants trade unions are trying bring down the government, that's what they said. that was their aim. that's what the leader of that union said. the first division association paid 150 doesn't need any 150 grand. it doesn't need any extra money, but that's what i'm saying . unions getting saying. the unions are getting will be getting too powerful. and if the political parties are relying on these unions for their money, which a lot of the labour party are relying a lot of money on them, then i think, you know, we have to be careful. the been less the unions have never been less powerful. you're so powerful. i mean, you're so young don't remember young now, you don't remember when they were a bit powerful. do shows you as

do you think it shows you as i mean, do you think. no i'm not going to get into that and then let me wait a minute. i'll go on answering questions on my point, which is that if you do what i mean, let me read some of these outstanding really before none of them , you got a terrible fine of them, you got a terrible fine . the question is, is . it . the question is, is. it patches mick lynch up to office gogol are we in the same era as the really era of trade union power? we're not that well. well, listen, when they had the big general strike in the twenties , it took nine days. it twenties, it took nine days. it took nine days for them to stop doing that. but what i'm saying is, do we really want our parties, political parties with unions? nana, unions? marilyn says, nana, i voted over half a century voted labour over half a century because that they because my dad said that they were working man who were for the working man who were for the working man who were voted tory were poor people. i voted tory last time because all of them years voting labour were. years of voting labour were. we are the poor people before are still the poor people before next because the tories are embarrassing you. they're backstabbing each other when they have a majority. not good .

they have a majority. not good. and he says it is the fact that the money comes from the unions that the issue. the amount is that is the issue. the amount is irrelevant and angela rayner could for own could afford to pay for her own well, well, well, thanks. well, that is a good don't think should good point. i don't think should be gifts people be accepting gifts from people the run a labour the country run by a labour government thinking government doesn't bear thinking about. . fox about. and for artists. fox hunting reform. uk of hunting has killed reform. uk of the people who think the daily mail is a pro—government rightwing paper, clearly don't read . thank you. it's been read it. thank you. it's been told . well, you've been sending told. well, you've been sending in your keep them. in your thoughts. keep them. coming are you coming up next, men are you happy to be a stay at home parent? there's been a rise in dads looking after their children. in children. we'll discuss that in a couple a couple of a couple of with a couple of blokes in a moment.

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nana akua , this is james. and go nana akua, this is james. and go right so with me until seven broadcaster mattie stadlen also james woodhouse and write to us you've been sending in your opinions. we will be looking through all of those. but our last one of the day is the story the stay at home dads are on rise, up a third rise, so they're up a third since before pandemic . and since before the pandemic. and that's the stats that's according to the stats from one in nine stay from the owners one in nine stay at home parents are fathers, up from one in 14. in 2019, covid restrictions and a culture shift resulting in changes to the breadwinner in the household are two of the main reasons experts say, as a cause of the increase in dads staying at home. and matt , i in dads staying at home. and matt, i know in dads staying at home. and matt , i know that you in dads staying at home. and matt, i know that you are a in dads staying at home. and matt , i know that you are a stay matt, i know that you are a stay at home dad. you feel strongly about this one. what's it like you're enjoying well, you're enjoying it? well, i'm sort stay at home dad sort of semi a stay at home dad and is self—employed so and this is i'm self—employed so i out to work, in i can go out to work, come in here and gb news high sports events on stage, do otherjobs. events on stage, do other jobs. and so forth. but i spend some of my home and that is of my time at home and that is a great privilege because we had

wilfred and it's wilfred 13 weeks ago and it's meant able to meant i've been able to be really active his days really active in his early days , all the nappies, not all the nappies, goodness me, my wife might be watching off the nappies and helping at night and just being involved. and it's wonderful. he smiles wonderful. and when he smiles back everything is worth back at you, everything is worth it. just anymore. but it. somebody just anymore. but when he gets the first time, he smiles and no, no others . no. at smiles and no, no others. no. at this age anyway, leaving wilfred aside for a second, my wife is soon going back to work. she she's a director of the solicitors firm and she , she's solicitors firm and she, she's sort of bit gutted about that because she'll be going back after three months and i'm going to be having to pick up some of the loose ends when she does that. and we're trying to work it out and we're not badly off. we're reasonably well off . but we're reasonably well off. but can afford to bring in can we afford to bring in a nanny when i want to go and do the stuff that i need to do for work? we're sort of making it up as we go along and if we're kind of a bit concerned about it,

relatively . relatively well—off people. goodness knows how a lot of the population and getting worried about before you pay about childcare before you pay for school food, before for state school food, before kids go to school kids ready to go to school childcare is really expensive. nursery it can be a millie's mine poppingly expensive and if you don't have a support network we have we have great support that works. but not we don't have people living near us who can help the can help help with the babysitting. if you don't have that, if you're not lucky enough to you've to make to have, then you've got to make some financial some quite hard financial choices. sure some choices. and i'm sure some parents worth me parents think, is it worth me going to work if i if we going back to work if i if we both go back to can we afford childcare? these difficult childcare? these are difficult things. so staying at home when you all stay at home because obviously a lot obviously you're doing a lot more share of the more a larger share of the childcare the majority childcare than the majority of men that's men. i know. well, that's i mean, look , the statistics, it mean, look, the statistics, it suggests that women do the majority the childcare. majority of the childcare. and i think pretty obvious when you all stay and what you do you watching tv and stuff so watching daytime tv and stuff so honestly working any honestly i'm working in any moment i can doing my podcast with no questions, with editing back, coming on gb news, doing

all the other stuff i do, but i have to stay late. i don't have to stay up late. i don't two morning sometimes to two in the morning sometimes to get done because get that editing done because when are looking after the when you are looking after the baby, doing , you almost baby, calmly doing, you almost can't anything unless you can't do anything unless you supply. necessarily supply. it's not necessarily with regard to the amount of work to after. work that is to look after. child that you're child is that what you're expecting you thinking, expecting or are you thinking, oh my gosh, i was so happy when laura became pregnant, but did you ? i didn't? we didn't i you know? i didn't? we didn't i didn't really think that far ahead. whatever ahead. i thought whatever happens, make it work. happens, we will make it work. and we're of and that's what we're sort of muscling to do. muscling through, trying to do. now, expecting the now, what are you expecting the work i said work to be as it is? i said that. so the thing i'm that. so the thing that i'm quite about is apart quite relieved about is apart from first two weeks, which from the first two weeks, which were hardest in life in were the hardest in life in terms deprivation, the terms of sleep deprivation, the sleep quite good sleep is quite good now reasonably you got by partly because had no because once you've had no sleep, good. but sleep, any sleep is good. but what tricky carrying him what was tricky is carrying him because stage where because there was a stage where if didn't carry so if you didn't carry so you didn't him around, he didn't carry him around, he would cry. so that is physically even what i was going to say, even what i was going to say, even at my strength, wife even at my strength, my wife doesn't you've got to carry yourself as but things yourself as well. but things like james, if you haven't been

to grandad, not enough . no, not to grandad, not enough. no, not enough. i i'm guilty that way. i have to grandchild then and then they're a delight. i think looking at the article , the looking at the article, the interesting thing is the increase in standards is from 101,000 to a little more than 140,000. and that seems 2019. that's hefty increase still a very small number of stay at home dance. but i think what it gives expression to in the manner, if i may, is sex around stereotypes is also sociologists would call them all gradually unravelling. you know, women go out to work, men's at home a bit more and look after the kids a bit more . so the harman world bit more. so the harman world view from the labour party that all women are discriminated against at all times in the workplace, that a pay gap is a

total outrage, that , you know, total outrage, that, you know, women are having an appalling time at work and every situation often just isn't indicated by this, that women all graduate more than men. they're doing better at maths. i believe in boys better. all round actually. well, we could say that . but well, we could say that. but anyway, in the no doubt there are lots of new men who are a bit wimpish in this, you know, fatherly stakes , but at the same fatherly stakes, but at the same time , it's good news that women time, it's good news that women are out there playing a proper role, insist are not always confined to the home. so i take comfort from the figures really. well, this is, i think is a good thing. and it's good because i you know, if i if serious from your my dear comments this means that you even at some point but i'm going to read out some of the messages that we've had to it because, oh, kevin says, i love your control of these two men. course, frighten men. and of course, you frighten men. and of course, you frighten me still at home from . me and i'm still at home from. but i said, if the tories were in favour of unions going back to you is that they would then

be criticised. brian says the unions are hand handing over members money. have they asked the members for their consent or pay-7 the members for their consent or pay? oh here we go. this is one for you. because a grange is about state owned as graham said, it's not it's not really a surprise that men left surprise that men are left holding the baby and their i want to make absolutely clear in case my wife is watching, but she still the majority of the hard work and she's breastfeeding as 4 hours a day. and you mean you're not? you could probably do it. i've and you mean you're not? you could probably do it . i've got could probably do it. i've got packs jane . what you're packs press jane. what you're gaffer that's what he's calling them untiljill gaffer that's what he's calling them until jill says i think it's great that men and can share these roles. i tend to agree that when you were younger it have been quite it must have been quite a quite a sort environment it a sexist sort of environment it too much. it was as in the expectation was, that women would be who would would be the ones who would always looking after their. always be looking after their. no, think, you know what i've no, i think, you know what i've read widely on the history read very widely on the history of feminism the eighties is of feminism in the eighties is when were born was the when my kids were born was the halcyon period for sharing

domestic labour, for either men actually reforming and doing some tasks. obviously they didn't do enough and they're still not doing, but it's back in my day when as a parent, you know , the whole thing was very know, the whole thing was very much in the direction that we're now saying, well, it's good to see us going in that direction. final to graham. you sent final one to graham. you sent in a said, nana, you a message. you said, nana, you are incredibly intelligent are so incredibly intelligent and guy was so and amazing that guy was so patronising talking about you compared to myself. well, thank you so much to councillor matthew staton and also james woodhouse and he's visiting professor at london southbank university you to you university and a huge you to you for taking part in this if you missed any of it, for taking part in this if you missed any of it , then can missed any of it, then you can catch previous episodes on catch up on previous episodes on youtube you can stream the youtube where you can stream the show catch us on the show live or catch us on the it's looking chilly out there makes a clear spells and scattered showers in details southwest of england this evening seeing a mixture of, heavy showers and then clear spells . temperatures around 5 to spells. temperatures around 5 to 7 celsius for most staying breezy along the coast. adding

to the wind chill skies clearing in evening for many parts in this evening for many parts in this evening for many parts in the southeast of england. most dry , though, perhaps most places dry, though, perhaps a few light showers in the east, a few light showers in the east, a rather chilly evening. then further across to the west wales with a scattering of showers there and breezy along the coast , particularly temperatures around 4 to 6 celsius. plenty of dry weather, boxing day evening for the midlands, but the risk to some showers , rather cold to some showers, rather cold again. temperatures . down to again. temperatures. down to three or four degrees. the wind staying light, though, rather breezy this evening. and across northern parts of england and further blustery showers coming in. the showers indeed falling asleep or snow over the high ground at times or so on the cold, an icy side , many cold, an icy side, many a blustery boxing day evening for scotland. further and snow, i'm afraid. some tricky travelling conditions as a result develop at times with the ice on untreated surfaces, particularly temperatures around freezing and icy evening to come to northern ireland. sleet and snow showers add to the mix turning cold with

temperatures tumbling towards freezing and the winds blustery around the coast. so cold and frosty night for many ice in the north. mild, wet, windy weather moving into the west later on. that's how it's shaping up overnight into tomorrow morning .

good evening on radisson in the gb newsroom police say a young woman killed in a merseyside pub shooting is not believed to have been the gunman's target . 26 been the gunman's target. 26 year old elle edwards was at the lighthouse pub in wallasey village on christmas eve when the incident took place. four men were also treated for gunshot wounds. the search for the gunman is still ongoing.

gunshot wounds. the search for the gunman is still ongoing . a