good afternoon. it has just gone 6:00. this is a gb news on tv onune 6:00. this is a gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . i'm in for michelle. nana akua. i'm in for michelle. this is jeeves and co. now coming up, we'll be discussing energy. energy companies. they've been holding huge swathes of our cash in credit, many using it to stay afloat. is it time that often the regulator put an end to this practise? and why on earth should we have to bail out? failed energy companies? light bulb to the tune of £6.5 billion. surely these companies should be nationalised then amidst the demands for more pay for nurses

and striking ambulance workers, and striking ambulance workers, and yet more funding than that that the nhs is wasting our cash on overpaid agency staff and jobs in equality, diversity , jobs in equality, diversity, diversity and inclusion . are we diversity and inclusion. are we the taxpayers , being taken for the taxpayers, being taken for mugs? the cash cow for the sacred cow is the nhs just a bottomless pit ? and with a boss bottomless pit? and with a boss being fined for not allowing his staff to take time to care for his son because it was apparently a woman's job. a study also shows that women are apparently more empathetic and men. but all these gender stereotypes causing more problems for society. all that and more to come. but first, let's get your latest . let's get your latest. thanks, dan. i'm radisson in the gb newsroom west midlands police have named a 23 year old man killed at a nightclub in birmingham last night as cody fisher . his birmingham last night as cody fisher. his family issued a statement saying they have broken our hearts . officers were

broken our hearts. officers were called to the train nightclub just before midnight on boxing day after reports a man had been stabbed on the dance floor. hundreds of people were at the club at the time and witnesses are being urged to come forward , at least 60 people have died and thousands are without power as winter storms continue to hammer the us and canada. freezing temperatures and blizzard conditions have left many areas under more than four feet of snow. the city of buffalo in new york state has been hit the hardest, with 27 fatalities. many people freezing to death in their cars . to death in their cars. president joe biden has declared a federal emergency. mark soba is a journalist with buffalo news. he told us people were warned not to use the roads . warned not to use the roads. there was a travel ban instituted immediately on friday morning, but it didn't stop a lot of people from getting in the cars. maybe they wanted to rush to relative's houses for christmas. maybe they wanted to get supplies at the last minute.

whatever the case may be, a lot of people were out of their homes when they shouldn't have been. some to death . been. and some froze to death. it also made it really difficult for search and rescue operations and for snowploughs to clear the roads because they had these scattered, stranded cars all over the place . well, that came over the place. well, that came merseyside police has vowed to be relentless in its murder investigation of a 26 year old woman killed on christmas eve. elle edwards was shot at the lighthouse pub in wallasey village while celebrating christmas with friends and family. the 30 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder and attempted murder. a 19 year old woman has been arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to murder . arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to murder. rail passengers are being told to expect significant disruption into the new year amid a wave of industrial unrest across the country. there were busy scenes at london's king's cross station earlier due to the knock on effects of boxing day strikes.

members of the dsa at crosscountry have been staging a 24 hour walkout since 9:00 last night as part of a long running dispute over pay and conditions. independents travel correspondent simon calder says the rail unions believe that as a magic monetary they are particularly concerned about is the extraordinary complex network of rules which date back some of them to victorian era . some of them to victorian era. they don't want those overturned unless they're going to get an extra percentage for modernisation and that's really the sticking point . the the sticking point. the levelling up secretary says opposition to new housing developments could be reduced by focusing on better design . focusing on better design. michael gove says too many planning applications are indifferent or insipid and the potential of some public spaces is not being utilised. he is supporting calls from the policy exchange think tank for a new national school of urban design and architecture . teaches unions and architecture. teaches unions have condemned the scottish

government's decision to delay the rollout of free school meals to all primary school pupils . it to all primary school pupils. it says the food programme is vital to tackle child poverty during the cost of living crisis. the introduction of the scheme was due to happen back in august. however, the scottish government says scotland has the most generous universal provision of free school lunches in the united kingdom. the yellow weather warning remains in place for snow and ice in the north and east of scotland. the met office says that freezing conditions could last until 10 am. tomorrow morning. travel a.m. tomorrow morning. travel disruption is possible as wintry showers create patchy ice, mainly on higher ground. traffic scotland is urging motorists to plan ahead . we're on tv online plan ahead. we're on tv online and on dab plus radio. you're watching tv news. back now to never.

neven it's fast approaching 6 minutes after 6:00 this it's jeeves and co with me nana acquired with me until seven my panel of former brexit party mep. also ceo of first property group ben habib and at all hartwell ed of labour on cuts. and as ever i was want to know your thoughts. get in touch with me at vaiews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at pmqs. well, let's get started. energy companies, now they are holding nearly £2 billion of customers, cash . that's amid the customers, cash. that's amid the cost of living crisis. and it's been disclosed that suppliers are raising customers direct debit payments, even when there are thousands of pounds of credit. now, i was an event whilst i had about credit. now, i was an event whilst i had about £500 credit. then that's gone. that's gone. i looked it was about 50 quid. my last thought was extortionate. now, board member has now, a former board member has spoken out, criticised those behaving this way. energy behaving in this way. energy bills have nearly bills have literally nearly doubled year , with

doubled over the last year, with people trying to make ends meet. with rise inflation . with the rise in inflation. well, struggling with well, if you're struggling with your energy bills , grant shapps your energy bills, grant shapps the energy secretary, has some very helpful tips. take a listen to him in this clip. he has turned the boiler flow temperature down to 60 degrees. doesn't affect the temperature of the house as i did it the other day. what if it's . other day. what if it's. not put you there? just keep out the draft. you again . knock this . draft. you again. knock this. this winter . there are a number this winter. there are a number of different things we can do to lower our bills and keep our hundreds more like switching off appliances and more reducing the boiler flow temperature and using low cost draught protection . it really does . mm. protection. it really does. mm. well, how about you? so out the

business with the energy companies instead of giving them money to take money off from us. that, of course, was grant shapps how to cut shapps telling us how to cut down energy quite down on energy bills. quite patronising, really . getting patronising, really. getting back to main subject . is back to the main subject. is this for these this an outrage for these electronic these energy companies trying to benefit when the british people are suffering the british people are suffering the most benefit from the brexit party mep also joining me . also party mep also joining me. also joining me, atul hartwell, the editor of labour and godfrey , on editor of labour and godfrey, on to start with you . ben, i'll go to start with you. ben, i'll go with you first. i mean, what do you think about all of this? these energy companies are sort of they use we've got money. some of them are actually using the to stay afloat. and i the money to stay afloat. and i know that for a fact, because i read about it. some of them like the bigger ones, fine the the bigger ones, fine with the smaller companies some smaller companies and some of those a of those that went bust a lot of them are using it actually to get it. so. well it's outrageous, you know, outrageous, actually. you know, the. they're not financial services they're services companies, so they're not money with your not taking your money with your knowledge fencing knowledge and then ring fencing it protecting pursuant to it and protecting it pursuant to a environment which it and protecting it pursuant to a care environment which it and protecting it pursuant to a care erthe nment which it and protecting it pursuant to a care erthe customer.ich would care for the customer. well, of the bigger

well, some of these the bigger ones you can get ones i know. well, you can get it back in insulting, see, theoretically. but actually they are open for their are they it's open for their cash flow so they can use it, you to service their you know, to service their own their needs and the their own needs and the theoretical recovery of your money. i mean, good luck . you money. i mean, good luck. you know, once you've got an administrator or liquidator in charge of a company, it becomes incredibly difficult. you may get may get all incredibly difficult. you may ge it may get all incredibly difficult. you may ge it back may get all incredibly difficult. you may ge it back eventually,iay get all incredibly difficult. you may ge it back eventually, butjet all incredibly difficult. you may ge it back eventually, but it'll ll of it back eventually, but it'll be long time. so think be a long, long time. so i think it's an entirely outrageous behaviour by these companies. but particularly at a time when effectively with this new cap that's come in, which is quite different to the last energy cap, this new cap effectively is the government underwrite energy companies sales to some extent. so energy companies or already getting a big government handout, what is to cope with the higher prices? you know , the higher prices? you know, obviously that gets passed on to us . but the obviously that gets passed on to us. but the same obviously that gets passed on to us . but the same government, the us. but the same government, the government buy from the well, i don't know if it's a lump sum, but but they're being paid out,

you know, so their customer to a very significant extent is now his majesty's government, which means they've got blue means that they've got a blue chip , guarantee, and chip guarantee, guarantee, and they shouldn't be using this difficult time to fill their coffers. and what i would say is , you know, no matter as will pointed out to me, of course, these people, when we were chatting earlier, these people induced direct debits induced into direct debits because offered because they're offered discounts matter what discounts. but no matter what the discount. don't do a direct debit. i've never done one. i never pay on a presented bill. i always read my gas metre and i will never go on a remote metre ehheni will never go on a remote metre either. i want control of my thing, you know. so i think the advice to people is ignore grant shapps because that was a load of garbage was terrible . take of garbage was terrible. take control of your own lives and start by cancelling your direct debit . well, what do you think? debit. well, what do you think? what's your view on this? what we're seeing is the symptom of a fundamentally broken energy market. this is behaviour that happens when the regulator has been captured by the suppliers,

when there isn't any competition. i don't if anyone of your viewers recently tried to switch energy company, i tried a few months ago. no chance. tried a few months ago. no chance . no one. everything is chance. no one. everything is frozen at. and what we're seeing is the legacy of a broke, fundamental broken market. and when the market can't provide actually national as ocean state provision is a legitimate option, it's the right option. and as we've seen with the rail companies. actually, when a company goes bust, bring it into state ownership . and at least state ownership. and at least then we will have some accountability. you can't because we have no market accountability. we have no regulatory accountability. but if owns it , at if the government owns it, at least some least there's some accountability through our politicians, because we know there'll scrutiny. you there'll be scrutiny. well, you think have that think they would have done that with both? because obviously they bust. and then they went bust. and then we i think we bailed out to the think we bailed them out to the tune of about billion is bad tune of about 6.5 billion is bad completely, they're completely, but then they're still i don't still a private company. i don't i bob is a really good i am. but bob is a really good example of government policy screwing up. so government screwing up. so the government builds out to six and half builds it out to six and a half billion, hands over to billion, hands it over to

another enterprise, another private enterprise, which doubt make shed which will no doubt make shed loads money out this loads of money out of this underwritten again. and underwritten position again. and i on whole, i mean, i think on the whole, i'm against nationalisation, but in this specific case where the genuinely isn't competition nationalised privatisation any works, if there's genuine competition, there isn't genuine competition, there isn't genuine competition with the rail network. you know, you get, you get a mini monopoly and then you rely on the regulator fulfilling their obligation , which is their obligation, which is terribly difficult and it's the same with these companies, we call them energy companies, by the way. they're not energy companies. what they do they companies. what they do is they buy energy wholesale and then sell it retail and try sell it retail oil and they try and cut. they're just and make a cut. they're just filthy brokers for that. but this is . but then but then this is. but then but then there's almost a contradiction in the government in terms because the government is they want to get rid is saying they want to get rid of fossil fuels and all that. however is however a lot of money is invested from pensions into fossil fuel companies. so i'm wondering would happen to wondering what would happen to that cash, they that that cash, because they use that for there's for pensions. yes. this there's an issue here of transition and there's two separate points. there's one, which is the

failure of the current energy model where people are paying too much that they're paying money and they're getting money in and they're getting pred money in and they're getting ripped got ripped off because they've got credit and they don't know about it. outrageous rip it. ridiculous. outrageous rip off. needs to be done. off. something needs to be done. a nationalisation is an option. now, the things that from now, one of the things that from the left of politics and from the left of politics and from the labour side that many would argue is that actually the point to nationalise is you could have greater greater control over the energy and what you can do energy mix and what you can do is the tape. it's no is manage the tape. it's no one's saying an immediate cliff edge on fossil fuels because actually we've got to keep the lights on. we've got to help people through the cost of living crisis. there does living crisis. but there does need a transition. we all need to be a transition. we all understand that and that can be managed more effectively if you prioritise of prioritise the management of that than some that transition rather than some notional market incentive. in a market that doesn't work with a regulator been captured regulator that's been captured by suppliers. but but by the suppliers. but but but then was that what then my point was that what happens the pension funds happens to the pension funds that yeah, well, that are invested? yeah, well, i think different think that's a different thing. i you're talking about i mean, you're talking about genuine that, genuine energy companies that, you uke

genuine energy companies that, you like shell, bp you know, people like shell, bp and so on. they're actually exploring, extracting , refining exploring, extracting, refining and then selling onto these wholesalers . yeah, and it used wholesalers. yeah, and it used to be an integrated it system, you know , this things like bulb you know, this things like bulb of the creation of this government, you know, because they wanted competition in the distribution of energy. at the same time it's putting the first cap in where all these energy companies that emerged effectively were at risk and they were they were selling long, if you like, and borrowing short. so they're exposed to exposed to an increase in energy prices. and they went phut i would be against the nationalisation of genuine energy companies like bp shell. i think the best left in the private sector where there is genuine competition for oil fields , genuine competition for fields, genuine competition for the extraction of gas and so on, and where there is real expertise being used for the development of those products and then the sale of them. so would you say that they should

be the suppliers then that should be nationalised, but how would it's not. would that work? no, it's not. it's one of the broke provides . it's one of the broke provides. it's one of the broke provides. it's a crisis approach. this is basically you got the energy companies, you got your energy companies. you basically extract the , you analyse the the can, you analyse the brokers? i mean, cannot even be done. mean, we with done. well, i mean, we saw with bulb an option to bulb there was an option to nationalise, it wasn't taken nationalise, but it wasn't taken and with there there were like all the worst possible results. yeah. bail and then sell yeah. bail it out and then sell it at a discount to someone else and you know, you make an absolute fortune five years from now. look with absolute now. you look with absolute mint off backs. absolutely right. off our backs. absolutely right. it was off our backs. absolutely right. it wa s £200 ahead for the it was £200 ahead for the country to bail bulb out. think about country to bail bulb out. think abou t £200 a head. you know , and about £200 a head. you know, and that's just gone under the radar . another government , can i say . another government, can i say up? oh, it's programme but that's what it is. that's fine . that's what it is. that's fine. well what it is i mean they keep messing up with this. i do think that these people who are providing us the energy are obviously the owners of the obviously not the owners of the energy are shell energy companies, are bp, shell and people. but the and all these people. but the

little the little people in the middle, the middlemen. i it is about middlemen. i think it is about time we started looking at better model that the government actually. was just actually. well it was just because we can we because i think we can agree we just organised. just just organised. yeah. just recognise the model recognise the reality the model is matter many is broken no matter how many brokers there when brokers you stick in there when something like ukraine, something happens like ukraine, when happens when something happens like energy up, it energy prices going up, it breaks the consumer we breaks for the consumer and we end up bailing out brokers. so clear yeah, no we clear it out. yeah, yeah. no we we're agreement with this we're in agreement with this part. understand part. i understand what the government really government haven't really sort of seen through this and started to of deal with it and to sort of deal with it and actually us the customer a actually given us the customer a better though, oh. better deal. so far, though, oh. david loved my talk. david said he loved my talk. thank david. it's addresses thank you, david. it's addresses and all that. what you said, i think we, the taxpayers bail think if we, the taxpayers bail out that ownership out any company that ownership should us, taxpayer, should pass to us, the taxpayer, when get their act in when they get their act in order. then also back to order. then they also back to the market and we, the taxpayer, will the profit. well, will take all the profit. well, that works. and remember what happened the bank of happened with the royal bank of scotland. they never scotland. yeah. they never made the never made any the taxpayer never made any money. problem. but it's money. so this problem. but it's a nice in theory they do a nice idea in theory they do that. and one of the problems, of course, of public ownership, government ownership is the

government ownership is the government bad government is really bad at running well, running anything. well, you know, to talk about know, we're going to talk about the well. you know, the nhs as well. you know, that's a really good example. well, we've that they're well, we've seen that they're also models, think also finance models, i think it's build operating it's called build own operating transfer. the transfer. so for example, the top thing, of these things, top thing, one of these things, the models where the the models where we the government it's government actually it's privatised. the privatised. so back to the taxpayer , it goes back into our taxpayer, it goes back into our ownership once the bill has been paid. but that doesn't seem to work that well. morris at the energy also energy companies are also holding winterbourne holding onto the winterbourne grant yes, for nine years i've had it on my account late october, early november, but i haven't received it yet. when i ask, they say it can be paid any time until end of march. yeah, well there's that. there's well there's that. but there's also of people who've got also a lot of people who've got vouchers for money was vouchers for the money that was given all. e £60, those given to us all. the £60, those on got on prepayment metres got vouchers and it turns out at least i think it's at least two thirds of those haven't actually been . so the been claimed. so again, the money claimed for money hasn't been claimed for the been given and the people who've been given and most united states. most need it the united states. yeah. all a bit it. yeah. so it's all a bit of it. it's all a bit of a mess. right. well, you've been sending me your thoughts. keep them coming.

vaiews@gbnews.uk or tweet me gb news the nhs is at news on the way the nhs is at breaking point. so now agency staff reportedly spending too much budget . do we need much of the budget. do we need a change? do we need to sort things out? change the board. we'll back a moment.

so welcome back. this is a jeeves and go with me and then a quiz with me till seven. my panel quiz with me till seven. my panel, former brexit party mep, also ceo of first property group ben habib and also arthur hartwell , ben habib and also arthur hartwell, editor of the ben habib and also arthur hartwell , editor of the life of hartwell, editor of the life of labour on the cuts. keep your thoughts coming vaiews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news. now with talks that the nhs is at breaking point, it's been reported that middlemen are changing the nhs half a billion pounds a year in fees and agency staff , with even one group given

staff, with even one group given a free trip to the caribbean and inches england, firms spent 3 billion of its total. 136 billion of its total. 136 billion budget on agency staff . billion budget on agency staff. it's using also locums are they using them to one locum. i read about using them to one locum. i read abou t £17,000 a month after he about £17,000 a month after he quit his job within the nhs and this led to staff shortages as well as workers are striking due to low pay atol what's your view on the nhs in terms of its spending? is it totally out of control? is it a bottomless pit? not far from it. control? is it a bottomless pit? not far from it . what we're not far from it. what we're seeing is just a straightforward example of failure to train enough doctors and nurses and to pay enough doctors and nurses and to pay them properly. at the moment in the nhs there are 100 and 633,000 vacancies in social care. there are 165,000 vacancies satisfactorily . nhs is vacancies satisfactorily. nhs is at an all time low, 36, but under this model, just under the last year, a labour government in 2010 it was at an all time high with 70% people saying they're satisfied no one had to

wait , no one they're satisfied no one had to wait, no one had to wait months and months for an operation. you could get an ambulance, you could get an ambulance, you could see a gp or get the majority. the targets were being met that says this isn't about the fundamental model. it worked. it worked quite recently . it's because we're not paying people enough. we're not training enough people and fund mentally underlying problem mentally the underlying problem at this point is resources reform is always used for reform can make more can always make things more efficient. this is efficient. however, this is fundamentally a resources problem . you think you don't problem. you think you don't really urban. what do you think? i mean, i think i largely agree with what adele says. i mean, i think we are underpaying the staff with, you know, if you do a comparison between what doctors nurses get paid in doctors and nurses get paid in the the with what they the uk by the nhs with what they could earn, obviously the could earn, obviously in the private sector the nhs private sector because the nhs is competition with the is in competition with the private with, private sector but with, you know, public sector know, the public sector in canada australia, they are canada and australia, they are woefully underpaid and our cost of living and taxes in this country are higher than those two countries. so there is something that's gone wrong in

the pay structures and i completely agree. we've been asleep the wheel in terms of asleep at the wheel in terms of indigenous training and, you know, education, creation of , know, education, creation of, you know, more nurses and doctors for our own system. and we've relied i think, you know, like in so many sectors on the easy, you know, let's just import well—educated nurses from india or pakistan or wherever it may be, which by the way, does a lot of damage abroad. but the only point of difference i think i've got with atal is that the nhs is so vast now it's become such a sacred cow and the job it has to perform has become so difficult . you know, we've got difficult. you know, we've got a rising population. when the nhs was set up, we had a population of around 38 million. it's now 68 million still free at the point of delivery . very few point of delivery. very few checks are done . there is checks are done. there is a large bureaucracy . the machine large bureaucracy. the machine seems to me to be out of control and there needs to be. i think ,

and there needs to be. i think, and there needs to be. i think, a root and branch reform of the bureaucratic, administrative side of the nhs to cut costs and investment in the delivery side . and there's one other point i just want to make. the pharmaceutical companies here are getting a free ride and, you know, even generics have to effectively be bought very expensively, local in the united kingdom or from suppliers in the us or whatever it is, but effectively from oecd countries , you can buy branded generics very costly. you're talking paracetamol , things like that. paracetamol, things like that. yeah, you can buy them really cost effectively from india, from pakistan . why don't we open from pakistan. why don't we open up the purchase of pharmaceutical products to genuine and international competition ? but don't you think competition? but don't you think they could take control of the procurement any way? and even if it was , even if it was localised it was, even if it was localised rather than going abroad, because we could probably we could probably buy from ourselves if we did it properly, but they could take advantage of economies of scale. but because

i it's so fragmented, i think it's so fragmented, different health trusts, one doing doing another, doing this, one doing another, if more as a group, if they work more as a group, they would surely they would be able to get better, better deals. i think this is the deals. but i think this is the thing. i think there is a lot of group purchasing in the nhs. i think the challenge, the rules has where you can has been set about where you can buy from and what's what's, what's to buy from. what's appropriate to buy from. i that debates that now i think that debates that now because i mean, i'm thinking they to be doing ad hoc they seem to be doing ad hoc purchases things instead of purchases of things instead of working as a property. working as a as a property. i think i think for lots of drug for anti things antibiotics these are there is a central purchasing function in nhs england. there's a central specification function which sort of says whether something is a permissible or not. and i think there is flex there's that could be flexibility to buy from different sources but it's how i would say getting caught out and spending a fortune things spending a fortune on things like paracetamol. as i'm not like paracetamol. but as i'm not sure that in terms of the overall spend, i mean it's big not to do the nhs in big numbers. so it be it'll be millions, but i'm not sure it's

big billions that were that were out of pocket for things, but i think things be, things think things could be, things could improved . but think could be improved. but i think the challenge the moment the key challenge at the moment is have to the is you have to fix the resourcing issue with pay and resourcing issue in with pay and staff retention in the nhs. go to unblock the pipeline because with all those vacancies and social care, that's part of what backing people up into hospital beds, that the flow beds, which means that the flow through in our health is through in our health system is working unblock social care. working to unblock social care. and i think it's absolutely and then i think it's absolutely right to look at reform and how patients are empowered and have patients are empowered and have patients voices , how kind of how patients voices, how kind of how patients voices, how kind of how patients can have a greater say in the health care they receive. but until the until start , but until the until start, there's enough staff to even basically use mine. and you'd never wards. no, i think look we've got a shortfall of doctors, about 12,000 consultants, about 50,000, a lot of them leaving because of the way they're being paid. and then a lot of that money, which they could they could potentially be paid being handed paid better than is being handed out it jobs. so out to a lot of it jobs. so equality, diversity and inclusion . yeah, there's a lot

inclusion. yeah, there's a lot of money going to that. there's a lot of money being wasted on procurement. if you if you procurement. but if you if you look even at the most optimistic, if you look at the most of highest sort of most kind of the highest sort of number, you of you can number, where you of you can look at sort numbers look at sort of numbers of people diversity, people working in diversity, inclusion, it's in the inclusion, i think it's in the sort of low hundreds and it comes to a big number, but you should see it get come. should see it get it, come. it comes sort of two pennies. so comes to sort of two pennies. so little of the actual cost of being able to fill 133,000 vacancies is just shy of £4 billion. that's nearly 100 times more. so yeah, that can be a debate about what are the right use of resources. and at the margins, maybe a few more, a few less. how many billions do you say for? just under 4 billion. £3.7 billion is what it will cost to plug the staff shortfall in the nhs. spending currently 3 billion on agency staff. so that's the and these people are way overpaid. i mean the amount that i group the agency staff are just all the sticking plaster that's used to cover for

the, the failure to plan the failure because that's where the money is. and then and this place to my point that the government is notoriously bad at running anything, you know, the nhs is effectively been in government control but would respect yeah. during the respect then. yeah. during the 2000 as well under the labour government nhs went from government the nhs went from being a comparable . there was being in a comparable. there was a lot of subcontracting going on in terms of the private sector to want to plug holes and there is, there's room for improvement on all those pfi. so there's some those deals weren't some of those deals weren't great. the public great. however the public satisfaction with the nhs was at 70. you could see a gp operating with more on the public. it's a 60% now and we could be squabbling it. no, it's less than the british social attitudes survey, which is the blue ribbon survey , 70% blue ribbon survey, 70% satisfaction in 2010. last year's figures are 36. it's almost half. so it's gone. so i mean, i think there is a post lockdown issue going on as well. you know, cardiac patients, cancer patients were ignored. but it was a mess. it was a mess

before that. and i think it's been perpetual most of my been a perpetual mess most of my life . we talk about now looking life. we talk about now looking back at the labour government, you know, saying , you know, you know, saying, you know, satisfaction quite satisfaction levels were quite high, every high, but i remember every winter there was an nhs crisis and that just goes on and on. and i do think we need an honest discussion about root and branch reform of the nhs in the way it operates. you know, you can't go from a population of 38 million to 68 million and growing quite fast. but you know , internal, fast. but you know, internal, you know, net inflow of migrants of half a million last year. that's all going to be a burden on the nhs and housing. we're going to talk about housing. well know, all these well you know, all these subjects interrelated, subjects are interrelated, increased population does make a difference, population difference, but the population wasn't population say wasn't that much population say isn't that much than it isn't that much higher than it was in 2010. was million. was back in 2010. was a million. 2 no, no, no, no, 2 million? no, no, no, no, no. it's about million. it's a lot it's about 6 million. it's a lot higher that's and know this, higher. that's and i know this, but when it comes to funding our pubuc but when it comes to funding our public services, that migration bnngsin public services, that migration brings in net 7 billion, 8 billion extra. i think i think

this is, i think listening to a lot of the things you're saying, you're slightly saying, oh, it's only a bit here, it's only a bit their only a bit here. they hear and they hear that adds up to a lot. now let's see what you've been saying because you've been sending thoughts. geoff sending in your thoughts. geoff says to start is to says the only way to start is to scrap roll over budgets and inflation and go to zero budgets. mike your panel budgets. mike says your panel talk as talk rubbish after training as a nurse. pays to work nurse. it pays to work for agency as better pay and agency as i have better pay and work i will. will we agree work when i will. will we agree with that? yeah yeah, yeah . joan with that? yeah yeah, yeah. joan said stop making nurses go to university , take them back to university, take them back to the board to learn and in hospitality concept . i totally hospitality concept. i totally agree. that's a good point. also, the person as well. also, the person is as well. they need to start paying the nurse again because we nurse as best again because we want people to train as as nurses and doctors and so on and so sharon says being back so forth. sharon says being back nhs homes, bed nhs convalescent homes, bed blocking immediately. i blocking solution immediately. i think she means bring back, bnng think she means bring back, bring back nhs. think she means bring back, bring back nhs . we get it bring back nhs. we get it because it sets the foolish people who run the nhs still think it's 1948. i cannot work

in it cannot work impossible . in it cannot work impossible. thank you for that. keep them coming on the way. michael gove has declared war on eyesore urban planning towns and cities. do we need to reinvent the way we design houses ? is there we design houses? is there a housing crisis? is this the reason why we'll discuss that in a moment .

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mould infested old houses and squaddies living awful conditions and a uk student housing reaching crisis point as bad as 1970s charity oedipal has warned with them sleeping in sports halls and their cars . now sports halls and their cars. now this levelling up . secretary this levelling up. secretary michael gove has declared a war on buildings and blighting towns and cities . this is you and cities. this is you laughing? is this the best he could do now? backing calls to give the public more say on plans for urban developments . plans for urban developments. the government is committed to a target 300,000 homes target of 300,000 new homes a year by the middle of the decade . is this a case of quantity over quantity or quality over quantity ? ben, i'll start with quantity? ben, i'll start with you . this is a case of michael you. this is a case of michael gove having had too much booze over the christmas period. i mean there is no way you're going to sort the housing problem by improving the design or requiring an improvement in design. the real problem with housing and there's an impending problem i'd like to mention, but

the real problem with housing is a planning system that is gone completely ridiculous when i started out in property, we used to have a very streamlined approach to planning. you could go and see a local planner, could chat to him, you'd get your feedback instantly. you'd put outline planning put in an outline planning application which didn't cost you pretty much, and you anything pretty much, and you'd whether or you'd get an as to whether or not could then get detailed not you could then get detailed planning then would go for planning and then would go for detailed application detailed planning application where had to do a proper where you had to do a proper design. nowadays you design. and so on. nowadays you can't make a detailed planning application without a full pre—application, which requires a lot of money. so scheme , for a lot of money. so scheme, for example, that 20 years ago might have cost me example, that 20 years ago might have cost m e £10,000 to get have cost me £10,000 to get through the planning process will now cost through the planning process will now cos t £200,000 with all will now cost £200,000 with all the, you know, inherent delays and protracted periods of consultations that is required . consultations that is required. we have a planning system that needs to be slashed if michael gove thinks , he's going to sort gove thinks, he's going to sort that by requiring buildings to be pretty . yeah. all he's doing

be pretty. yeah. all he's doing is putting a further impediment in the way what we need and this would be a fantastic boost to the economy at a time when we desperately need it and at a time where the population has gone up and that is causing problems right across the united kingdom, with the exception of certain is of the certain pockets, is of the planning system . that's what planning system. that's what michael has to do, not increase regulatory requirements by, you know, leave ing aesthetic judgements up to planning officers. you know, it would be it's a disastrous response point with regard to the design of some of the buildings that we saw what you like and what i like could be completely different. you know, and then we just end up in a debate. i think he i he had a slightly he was i think he had a slightly deeper point to that. and i think i mean, this is just my interpretation of what he said. yeah, think saying yeah, right. i think he's saying that be slightly more that we need to be slightly more intelligent the way we're intelligent with the way we're actually building homes because, for look at it, for example, if you look at it, we in countries, we have in other countries, houses with plenty of houses are built with plenty of space things annexe.

space for things like an annexe. so can after granny so you can look after granny when you're know what i mean? i think he's saying that we need to slightly more intelligent to be slightly more intelligent to be slightly more intelligent to that's a to solve it now, but that's a start. think instinct means start. i i think instinct means tinkering. tinkering at the tinkering. it's tinkering at the edges. say something edges. i'm gonna say something very, a labour very, very rare for a labour person like here. is that person like you here. is that a well beyond that? i agree. actually at this point with benefits the first version benefits of the first version of bofis benefits of the first version of boris government boris johnson in his government had here when he tried had a point here when he tried planning reform. now, unfortunately the unfortunately for the conservatives, whole conservatives, that whole move on and on planning reform and simplifying, and simplifying, streamlining and doing things that doing some of the things that ben outlined actually across both , across all the both parties, across all the parties, people now need to happen. that really ended with the amersham the chesham and amersham by—election when the conservatives there's conservatives lost that there's enough worried conservative mps in pander to those voters and there is actually this is one of those areas where there is actually a cross—party consensus and this is one of those areas where it would be amenable to have some form of cross—party agreement because now, in agreement. because right now, in in 90, if you you're if you're on the in terms of average pnces on the in terms of average

prices and earnings to house prices and earnings to house price ratios in 1995, it was three times was that was the average today is just under 11 and that was these are figures from two years ago and it's going to be even higher now. that's a generation of people who cannot own their own robbed to be fixed. and there's a juggernaut . there's one one juggernaut. there's one one other thing i want to mention. there's that that there's an inequality between new build and refurbishment . there's lots of refurbishment. there's lots of properties in this country that should be refurbished . but when should be refurbished. but when you refurbish a residential property, you have to pay vat on your bills at 20. when you do a new build, there's no vat at zero rated. and so refurbishment is effectively 20% more expensive as a result of the tax that should be abolished . but that should be abolished. but the juggernaut coming down towards housing and the commercial property market is shops and so on is this drive to net zero and the way that's going to manifest itself in the property market is a requirement

in the case of residential property. comply with an energy performance certificate , rated performance certificate, rated rating c. by 2025, 65% of residential property in this country does not comply . half country does not comply. half a million properties will be in capable of being upgraded . and capable of being upgraded. and we're going to see the cost of housing go up again. we're going to see the cost of housing go up again . it isn't so housing go up again. it isn't so isn't point there that new buildings need to be made compliant. so that they are going towards this net. if i don't agree with net zero isn't genderi don't agree with net zero isn't gender i think is slightly nonsensical, especially for the things they're they actually claiming they want to achieve it. things i think it. half the things i think they're but they're suggesting. but not achieve but they're achieve it. but if they're genuine about it, then surely new build should be fitted with heat solar panels. heat pumps, solar panels. they should but. surely it should be. but. but surely it should be. but. but surely it should an actual must . should be like an actual must. but i think i'd defer to but i think i think i'd defer to ben's expertise and his knowledge in the sector . ben's expertise and his knowledge in the sector. but ben's expertise and his knowledge in the sector . but to knowledge in the sector. but to me, that's just what will happen, is there there will be some management of that and

there'll be a taper. there's absolutely no way right now it's like a juggernaut right that no political party going to political party is going to permit know, permit something. you know, if what described the what you've described is the case, political party case, no party, political party is permit to is going to permit that to happen on purely narrow, happen just on purely narrow, self—serving grounds of employees that are going to be lost as things. so i'm lost, as with all things. so i'm a very strong supporter of the net zero agenda, but as with all things there be things, there has to be a managed transition. no cliff edges and as long as we edges tapers and as long as we stay on track for the go and if the public vote for parties that are backing that go, will they all back that i mean that all back that cold. i mean that labour's got zero carbon or whatever called and then whatever it's called and then the zero, not the concept is zero, there's not much unless for much else unless you go for reforms though. well indeed. and if the party and if the public that's democracy, the party that's democracy, if the party if backed parties if the public backed parties i mean target. but the mean for that target. but the key has to managed key is the has to be managed tapers cliff edges and tapers no cliff edges and support then for that for transition for people. well i mean the drive to net zero has created a number of cliff edges in the automotive industry, in the housing industry, in commercial property . and the commercial property. and the other thing you know, that i

should mention , because you should just mention, because you mentioned builds should be mentioned new builds should be all all dancing, all singing and all dancing, green net zero. you green building net zero. but you know, sporting clip as the know, the sporting clip as the controller, should controller, they should be demanding that the carbon emissions the equivalent emissions is the equivalent carbon build a new carbon emissions to build a new property the equivalent of property is the equivalent of thatis property is the equivalent of that is 50 years of operating an existing building. you'll much better off if you carbon emissions are your target you're much better off refurbishing property than you are building new. you have to refurbish and if you're going to refurbish you should actually reduce the burdens on refurbish but not increase them. no, i've got fundamentally, fundamentally a great and just everything around refurbishment. it's just it's obvious to anyone who's basically i've had done any work in this area redo refurbish something that's already there . something that's already there. and as long as there's proper support for kind of upgrading emissions and all the rest of it, it's much quicker, it's much simpler, much less disruptive to neighbours. it'sjust simpler, much less disruptive to neighbours. it's just obviously nothing, but it's more expensive

to refurb and you're better off buying a new building their buying a new building in their world. world. so and world. in their world. so and that's topsy turvy nature that's the topsy turvy nature government policy. you've hit government policy. so you've hit the on head is coming the nail on the head is coming up wonderful initiatives up these wonderful initiatives for people to architecture. is he is he levelling up secretary is what he is ? if he's is that what he is? if he's levelling he should levelling up, he should level up. levelling up up. he consider on levelling up and getting people to stop occupying the southeast of england go further north, go england and go further north, go to northern ireland , go to to northern ireland, go to wales, go to scotland. you know , government , play what the government should is hugely should be doing is hugely encouraging. working in encouraging. remote working in the because we have a series the act because we have a series of local which is about that too. we'll have a series of localised housing crisis in the south—east and in and around some of our successful towns and cities we don't have the cities and we don't have the wherewithal fix transport wherewithal to fix transport properly. the answer is actually increased remote working. well, that's true. and also scrap hs2, for goodness sakes, nobody's on the trains anymore. but lots of you've been getting in touch with your views that see what you've been saying. see, peter ? you've been saying. see, peter? peter says none of the elephant

in the room. nobody will talk about the aesthetics of poverty is not the problem. the prospective occupants are. i hear you. yes i guess so. but it's at the houses built today is a disgrace . the size of rooms is a disgrace. the size of rooms and new builds . you can only fit and new builds. you can only fit and new builds. you can only fit a sofa and if that. if that can nearly touch each wall with the stretch out arms, whoever passes these plans are inept in their jobs. these plans are inept in their jobs . i actually do agree with jobs. i actually do agree with michael gove when he talks about the fact the architecture and things to be improved . but things need to be improved. but i think that's the i don't think that's the problem. i think he's sort of skirting around a very interesting edge. well sounds lovely, it? does say lovely, doesn't it? does he say designs you know, designs great. and you know, that's of michael gove that's typical of michael gove sounds it's sounds great. it's an interesting of between christmas and headline don't and new year a headline don't fix but it's a fix anything but it's a christmas he had like he needs to get more more places be built ultimately because it's supply and demand there simply isn't enough supply for the demand. well, up , a worker wins well, coming up, a worker wins £26,000 after he sued his boss, after he told him that he couldn't have time off to look after his 40 son because that

was his wife's job. have we set the gender stereotypes ? we have. the gender stereotypes? we have. we've ruined the health of our old descriptions of gender. that's only .

next just go . and 46 minutes after just go. and 46 minutes after 6:00, if you just joining me. welcome on board. i'm a queer for in michel. it's dubois and this is gb news. now with me until seven my panel former brexit party mep and also ceo property group ben habib and also atal hartwell , editor of also atal hartwell, editor of labour uncut. they've been sending in your opinions. we were talking about the whole issue of housing. michael gove has been saying we should make things look a bit nicer. has been saying we should make things look a bit nicer . jill things look a bit nicer. jill says that the real issue is the government's lack of local council, total lack of

responsibility to build new properties . it's left the properties. it's left the independent builders like david wilson, etc. all of them social housing needs to be built to replace the council. housing lost in the 1980s, but not to private developments. and then anthony says, no, there isn't a housing, there's a population crisis . i housing, there's a population crisis. i tend to agree housing, there's a population crisis . i tend to agree with housing, there's a population crisis. i tend to agree with him actually on that. i mean, we've got a huge issue with people coming in immigration. got a huge issue with people coming in immigration . we're not coming in immigration. we're not controlling it properly . of controlling it properly. of course, got a huge course, we've got a huge problem. know, had no net problem. you know, we had no net 500,000 into the 500,000 new people into the uk for age of 30th june 2022. for the age of 30th june 2022. how do cope with the housing how do you cope with the housing requirement? bad . it's bad requirement? it's bad. it's bad pressure. public services isn't it? a huge problem it? we have got a huge problem in this country , which is right in this country, which is right now we don't enough workers . we now we don't enough workers. we have vacancies over a million. we as i said earlier on, we've got 133,000 vacancies in the nhs . i think that we based more on how much we're paying people. yeah, i think we've got a broken labour model these days that these aren't mutually exclusive points because it takes time to train, it takes see five, six,

seven years to train doctors and nurses. we've, we've, we've got vacancies. yes, we've got vacancies. yes, we've got vacancies all the way across . vacancies all the way across. we've got lots of people staying in. and the basic truth is if we want builders, if we want pubs to be open, if we want to be able to see a doctor, if we want to be able to get an ambulance, we need workers. second point, immigration brings in money to the country because immigrants use less of resources than the taxes pay . the immigration taxes they pay. the immigration last fund seve n £8 last year will fund seven £8 billion worth of need. however, there does need to be some addressing of where there are areas of change and transition. that's kind of theme that's been the thing. what transition needs to be. now, what's missing here and we had a lot of immigration, especially when we were in the eu and the issue that a lot eu and the issue was that a lot of people were coming in. it was slightly unvetted, of course, because and then it brought down the people in italy the wages of the people in italy . but this is just

. and we need. but this is just not borne out by the evidence. you say it is you can say you can say it is you can say that is borne out. but india that it is borne out. but india is because you're hanging out in london and places like that, it is of misfortune or is borne out of misfortune or one of these i referred to stephen this is a the main stephen this is a very the main study in this area by stephen nicol for professor stephen cole for the bank of england, and it found that in lower wage professions what other wage industries it made a difference of about one pay an hour. industries it made a difference of about one pay an hour . you of about one pay an hour. you are working on some big statistic or metric based on everything you go to all. i'm finished. let me finish. go to a place in the north—east of england. go to hull or somewhere like that where there's an influx of immigrants coming in and jobs at a lower and doing the jobs at a lower wage than the people who actually live that. and you will find that the wages find that that drags the wages down happening. we're down and is happening. we're actually we're actually creating this we're rapidly a third world rapidly creating a third world economy . this rapidly creating a third world economy. this is just where a first world country what we be doing is upskilling people and automating and we shouldn't be

relying on imports . it automating and we shouldn't be relying on imports. it is not mutually exclusive . every mutually exclusive. every government for the past 60 years has talked about a high skilled, high wage economy, more progress was made under a labour government because we put the labour government put more money into and education. however at the same time part the package of for this country is there are where there are gaps in the economy. we do need workers come in because the fundamentally there aren't enough workers in this country to see all the aspirations , training and things aspirations, training and things like that. because we imported people. yeah, we did this . we people. yeah, we did this. we had robots of the incentive. we didn't bother. that's it was cheap to take labour and pop it didn't bother training our own people. and we did an people. and then when we did an absolute top , these people were absolute top, these people were not, we didn't have our own people. trained. have people. we trained. so we have we just absolutely should absolutely not. there is nothing that stops a government from training enough people that it was it was unfettered immigration, all vetted immigration, all vetted immigration, bringing people to in do the jobs which we should

have trained our people to have trained our own people to do. we're going to move on do. well, we're going to move on because we're going to talk about a sales manager about this. a sales manager who has n £26,000 his boss has won £26,000 after his boss told that he couldn't have told him that he couldn't have time after his port. time off to look after his port. it some because his it some because it was his wife's job see as wife's job the see as traditional view on family resulted description entry resulted in a description entry tree and the who tree pattern and the man who received sued his received this behaviour sued his boss and won the case and add this this to a university of cambridge study looking into six differences in cognitive empathy found that women really are more empathetic than men. so are we creating gender stereotypes, which is a result affecting society negativity negatively ? society negativity negatively? what do you think? well, stereotype that the stays at home, the man goes to work and then end up with situations where and i sort of move onto the whole thing of gender dysphoria. i don't feel like a woman. i don't feel like a man that we making vote for our that we making a vote for our own back. yeah mean, in own back. yeah well, i mean, in the of mr. bailey's problem the case of mr. bailey's problem with mr. cole, his boss, you know, i'm a bit reticent to comment on the specific case ,

comment on the specific case, but most employment contracts should require, whether you're a man or a woman, that you have a place of work and that place of work on the whole, until very recently has been the office. and actually i am insisting on my companies contracts , my companies contracts, maintaining that requirement. i don't want my staff working from home. i know that they are less productive at home than they are in the office. i don't care what they say about how much they can focus , how much time it saves focus, how much time it saves them. on getting into the office and getting back. they work better the office and i feel better in the office and i feel more comfortable a generation more comfortable as a generation of forward. so of ideas and we move forward. so ihave of ideas and we move forward. so i have very little sympathy for mr. bailey. as for the other thing about , mr. bailey. as for the other thing about, you know, what would foster too much over would we foster too much over these minority issues ? there are these minority issues? there are minority issues, 8000 people self—identify as being dysphoric. if that's the right word for it. each year. this is not a mainstream issue. we can't have the uk economy being led and the legal system being led

by that kind of minority interest. we've got to look after the majority. what would you say to nicola sturgeon's reform bill then? do you think that's a i throw it out. i mean what does she doing. she's doing well. what do you think about these sort of single gender stereotypes? i'm telling. well, i'm unsurprisingly very more sympathetic to the worker who basically wasn't allowed to look his. elizondo i think the boss was wrong, and i think the tribunal found against not sure that , but i tribunal found against not sure that, but i would i'm not sure that, but i would i'm not sure that ties entirely over to the debate on gender dysphoria . debate on gender dysphoria. dysphoria i think is a very complex issue. i just thought, well, the way it ties to it is just the message being given was that the stereotype was given. this is what a woman should be doing. and that's what a man should be doing. and where we where crossed over is that, where we crossed over is that, you example, you're you know, for example, if you're told to live as woman told you need to live as a woman for months, what does that for three months, what does that entail what does this look entail what what does this look like? what what's the like? women. what what's the woman do you know , we've created

woman do you know, we've created the stereotype of what a woman should good at or what's a should be good at or what's a woman should be and woman should be doing. and that's saying that that's i'm i'm i'm saying that we created confusion for we have created confusion for ourselves, then we up in ourselves, and then we end up in situations like where i think the bosses behaviour in a previous just it's previous example is just it's bad, know, he shouldn't bad, you know, he shouldn't be doing certainly doing that. it's certainly been portrayed i think portrayed as bad. yeah, i think we've got to be quite casual as reported. think on things like reported. i think on things like take jens forward, but things like the gender recognition act in scotland, i think, mean i'm in scotland, i think, i mean i'm on the left, but i have challenges with sort of what will happen with what's been passed in scotland. the voices of women weren't i didn't seem to be acknowledged. and the very legitimate , very legitimate legitimate, very legitimate points made around , you know, points made around, you know, women and sex and kind of male sex offenders identify as women and just ensuring safety says there seems to be . but why are there seems to be. but why are we talking ourselves up and not and spending huge amounts of government time and money on an issue which is such a such affects such a small proportion of society. what happened to our

nafion of society. what happened to our nation when we can't target big issues like 5.6 million people on universal credit, for example 7 on universal credit, for example ? that's not to wish to take the conversation back to where we are. that's good question. we are. that's a good question. we that you very much to ben that thank you very much to ben and at all nigel france will be with us at 7:00. nigel what's coming on your show now ? coming up on your show now? thank you very much indeed. what was the most watched television spectacle over christmas period? of course, it was the king's speech. i thought parts were very good. other parts of it made , me wonder, did king made, me wonder, did king charles cut the mustard ? with charles cut the mustard? with that speech, david starkey will join me for a full analysis . but join me for a full analysis. but first, before all of that, let's get the all important weather . get the all important weather. looking ahead to tomorrow's weather and the uk will see a cold and frosty start for many, but turning wetter in the west. here are the details . a cold and here are the details. a cold and icy morning across northern scotland with sleet and snow showers turning cloudy as rain and hill snow arrives . the south

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